August 26, 2024 • 39 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Veejay Huskey is in for Rob, and he and Chris tell us why Magic Johnson was well within his rights to go off on Anthony Edwards for disrespecting 80s/90s NBA basketball and debate whether CJ Stroud deserves to be in Tier 2 of NFL quarterbacks. Plus, DLLS Sports reporter Clarence Hill Jr swings by to discuss CeeDee Lamb’s extension with the Dallas Cowboys, what’s next for Dak Prescott, why Jerry Jones has no intention of relinquishing his GM duties in Dallas and much more!
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Great day obviously to talk to him, so we're looking
forward to that. But let's get into some basketball because
last week I was on vacation v J and I
saw it was fantastic, awesome, went to Bali if you
can get there.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Okay, big, okay, Big, it was big baller. You know
it was nice man.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
You just do it.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I just threw it out there. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I was in Balie, you know, because I'm about to
own it. Me and my wife we're thinking about it.
We're thinking about buying it, and my wife were thinking
about buying it, so we went to check it out
see what it was about.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Like that. But but definitely a good time. Man.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I saw this story where Anthony Edwards and I am
a big Anthony Edwards fan, like him a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Great game. I think he will be.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Hmm if he isn't already the best American player in
the NBA pretty soon, you gotta say it like that
because we don't have the best player.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Right now. But anyway, and he said this quote.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
He was asked by the Wall Street Journal about nineteen nineties.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Basketball, and here's what he said.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I didn't watch it back in the day, so I
can't speak on it.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
VJ. He should have stopped right there.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yep, he should have stopped right there, all right, cause you.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Just went on this show. You're ignorant something, are you
saying yourself? I didn't watch to watch it, so why
are you commenting on it? So here he is.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
They say it was tougher back then than it is now,
But I don't think anybody had skill back then. Now,
where are you even getting that from? If you didn't
watch it, where are you getting that from? Michael Jordan
was the only one that really had skill, you know
what I mean. So that's why when they saw Kobe,
(03:05):
they were like, oh my god, But now everybody had skill.
Magic Johnson, who played in the eighties and early nineties
a couple of years, one of the top five players
of all time in just about everybody's list.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
He had a great response to this, VJ. And here
it is.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
Any Edwards just said the other day that there really
wasn't any skilled players in the NBA back in the
day outside.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Of Michael Jordan. That's what he's saying. Your response to
that ear than you know.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I don't never respond to a guy that's never won
a championship.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Talk that Mic saying he didn't win a college championship.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I don't know if you even want to high Oh,
that's a true magic one. You probably noticed, VJ.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Magic won three championships high school, college, and NBA in
a four year span.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Think about that. That's like something I'm gonna do with
your bar stuff right there. Absolutely so what are your
thoughts on this? First of all, I'm with you, man, Anthony. Look.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
I like Ed, I really do. I thought he ran
out of gas in the postseason. That's some young stuff
he gonna have to Ed. And I think it was
emotional more so exactly physical, and also too I would
like him to peel a little back on I like
organic character. I like organic personality. But when I feel
like you're trying to be somebody, you're trying to be
like a person like no allows, I feel like you're
(04:49):
trying a little too hard. Just let it happen organically.
But Magic, Irvin Johnson, mister ten time All NBA, mister
twelve time All Star, five championship, he changed, changed the game,
like he changed the point guard position forever.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Aunt ain't gonna change nothing. We've seen Anthony Edwards. He's good.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I've seen you before, Homeboy. His name was Dwayne Wade.
I've seen you before homeboy. His name was Penny Hardaway. Okay,
and you not them dudes yet he wouldn't. Yeah about
Penny man who if not for the microfracture, Yeah, yeah,
Penny was something different.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But I love the way Magic hit this back. But Chris,
this is the problem.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
This is where we are in today's sports world where
for some reason we keep trying to tear down what
was what built today and I can't stand it.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I don't ride with it at all, even when I
do top ten lists some times saying quarterback right, yeah,
I got Johnny Unitis there.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
You gotta go do your research and put the and
put the damn film on.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
You can't just have everybody from two thousand and four
to today. And I think that happens a lot in
these discussions, and some of these young buckeroos need to
kind of do some research and watch their mouth, because
if it wasn't for those guys that came before you, homeboy,
you wouldn't have no sneaker deal. You wouldn't have the
guarantee money that you're getting right now. If anything, if
(06:07):
I'm that young and I'm that nice, good looking guy, personable,
you got a little character, I'm doing nothing but paying homage.
I'm doing nothing but paying homage to the old school cats,
because you never know, your cel phone might ring with
a piece of advice that can change your career. Now,
who from the past want to call and help you. Now,
they're gonna be sitting, They're gonna be do right that you.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
You just made a bunch of enemies time, a ton
of them. Yeah, exactly, And dude, you know, look, they
they're older, they're more mature. They'll give you a little grace,
but it also stings. And they ain't gonna like no,
and you know what I mean, like, they'll be cool
with you when you know, when they see you at
the All Star Game and all that. But you better
(06:47):
believe they doing some talking right now. Who this dude
think is.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And I actually because I agree with with just about
everything you said, but I actually want to break this down. Okay,
I want to break down what Anthony Edwards said and
let's explore it and we I think we'll have a chance.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
To give it to the callers and see what they think.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
But first of all, VJs, what does he mean by skill?
What does he mean by skill? Because obviously Michael.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Jordan is the goat. I think you agree with that too,
not close. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
All right, But in the Michael Jordan in the nineties
was not the best shooter in the league. He was
probably the best mid range shooter, but he wasn't the
best overall jump shooter.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
He had a nice handle, but it wasn't the best
handle in the league.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
He was a very good passor, but he wasn't the
best passer in the league, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So, now he had the best moves and that's a skill.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But if I'm just wondering, like, why why do you
say Michael was skilled?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
He was, of course, but other guys weren't.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
There were guys that dribbled better than Michael, there were
guys that shot better than Michael. There were guys that
passed better than Michael. But why weren't they skilled? And secondly,
I'm wondering, like.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
VJ. Who won the MVP on Team USA this year
at the Olympics. Lebron Lebron.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, now I think Steph should have won it because
he was so dynamic in those last two games, but
Lebron was the best player over the six games.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That's fine. My point is this is Lebron the most
skilled player on that team.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
No, Lebron ain't the best shooter, He's not the best fighter.
Lebron's airball several free throw I mean, and I love Lebron.
I'm just saying he's airball several free throws in the NBA.
All right, he is not the best dribbler. He's the
best passor on that team. But what are you even
(09:05):
talking about? What do you even mean when you say skills,
because I tell you one thing, that's the skill VJ
post moves. Absolutely who playing today and I'm including na
Kola Jokic and he about the only one, I can say,
the only one with any even decent exact post moves.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
And his bost moves aren't great, really aren't.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I mean, as much as I love Jokic, I think
is the best player in the world, his bost moves
aren't great motion right these big he got at little
jump hook and he can you know, scoring. There ain't
nobody in the NBA to day that has a fraction
of the post moves that the.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Kam Olajuan had in the nineties or that Kevin McHale
had in the eighties. There is no one in the
NBA today because passing is a skill.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And is includes Lebron and it includes the Kolea Jokic,
who is close to as good of a passer as
Magic Johnson was three of the best passers of all time.
I would say three of the top ten passers of
all time Isaiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird. They played
(10:22):
in the eighties, not even the nineties for the most part.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I can't fit John Stockton in there.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, yes, absolutely, he was obviously more nineties. Yeah, And
so I'm just saying, like, what are you even talking about?
What do you mean by skill? The only thing I
guess are you saying.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Three point shooting?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And they shoot the three Last year twenty twenty four,
the average three point percentage in the league.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
VJ was thirty six point six percent in nineteen ninety eight,
when the line was the same as it is today.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It was shorter for three years in the nineties, but
in nineteen ninety eight it was the same. It was
thirty four point six percent. So two percentage points difference
in three point shooting. They just shoot it a lot
more now, And I will tell you, I believe if
they had shot it as much, then the percentage would
be pretty close to what it is now.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, I'm with you on the whole skill thing too.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
So I have some names down here too, and some
skills that nobody today touches, And I talk about this
when I talk about the old days or the old
school as opposed to today. Let's just go to rebounding,
which is a skill. Whether people believe that or not,
it's a skill that you most definitely need. You got
guys like Rudy Gobert who can't pull more than thirteen
twelve rebounds down a night. Okay, you got guys like
(11:45):
Joe el Embiid who can't pull down These guys are
getting fifteen sixteen rebounds.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So there's not a rebounder in the league right now.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Now, I would say the last fifteen years, maybe Duncan,
big fundamental, maybe the big ticket KG, Kevin Garnet. I'll
put some guys like that up there, but Dennis Rodman.
But he's seven straight years, he's probably.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
The best rebounder. Yeah, I mean just inch for.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Inch eighteen, eighteen, seventeen, sixteen, fourteen, sixteen, fifteen, that was
his seven year stretch.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Nobody's touching that.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
The day John Stockton I got to throw him in
there before Larry Bird because you're talking about the all
time leader in assists. Oh, by the way, all time
leader and stills INBA history too. Like the man leads
two categories it's a skill to play defense and play
the passing lane and not and tip the ball. Like,
I'm with you, like what skill three point shooting? Chris,
I'm probably gonna get a lot of hate on this
(12:36):
one right here, man in today's game, that you're throwing
up so many of them, it's I don't know if
I want to call.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
It a skill.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I would definitely call this maybe an attribute, I know,
but let me here's my word, and.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You don't shit is a skill?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
In fact, I'd say that's much more of a skilled
in basket than defense. No, well, because defense can be
a lot of hard art. If you have a requisite
level of athleticism and strength, then you can be a
good defense.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
But then there's no the ain't no hard today because
don't nobody playing no defense. If you want to say
it's hard, fine, but defense is kind of that's kind
that's kind of touching going today's NBA.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
But I'm with you on the whole skilled thing.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
And also dribbling Isaiah Thomas's handles like Ze's handles back
in the defeat Marivith.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, oh absolutely, getting seventies.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Absolutely, and dude, listen, he's theof handlers that we can
go to Elgin, we can go to Big Oh, we
could go there's a lot, there's a ton of guys
you and not no ball. We can throw names out
from this that you want to go to the sixties.
We can throw Casey Jones. We there were plays Moses Malone,
it was he was twenty twenty before we really knew
what twenty twenty was.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Twenty boys, twenty boy. Yeah, Moses, and he won a
championship for the sixes. But look he I think he's
in his mind. My guess is that Anthony Edwards is
talking about probably two things, shooting the three, which we
already dealt with that, but not like there were dudes
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couldn't shoot back then.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
They were great shooters man there.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
And ball handling, and we just named Isaiah Thomas, Pistol,
Pete Merrivag, guys a chiny archiball who were phenomenal ball handlers.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
But here's the thing, VJ.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And we're gonna go to the college in a few minutes,
I will admit that the ball handling today is better.
You think so, well, here let me finish. It's better
than ever. But here's why they let you care. Okay,
all right, then, it's not better that they talk well,
but I mean they allow it. But I agree with you.
(14:39):
I hear what you saying, and I don't disagree with that.
But you know what I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Saying, Like you, I played point guard in cot. I'm
not saying I had the greatest handle in the world.
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
But I'm telling you if you if I would have
been allowed to palm the ball the way they do that,
you literally see dudes take a They'll have.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Their hand under the ball.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
For a split second, the whole second and crossover and
go to the opposite like that is. I mean, can
do all types of stuff now they carry bringing the
ball up court against no defense. They carry all the time,
and when going up you had to keep your hand
on top of the ball.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Sometimes it gets on the side.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Of course, but you can do so much more when
you can you have that type of freedom to have
your hand under the ball, to hold it for a
split second or second in the air before you decide
which way you go.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I mean, it's ridiculous and.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Mean serious, and so that is why you see you
know what he thinks are skills and to your point,
it's it's breaking the rules.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
But they now allow it.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And so yeah, and should have stopped at I didn't
watch it back then, so I can't.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Speak on it.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I'm with you, all right, eight seven seven ninety nine
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Speaker 3 (17:50):
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Speaker 1 (17:50):
Is Anthony Edwards out of his mind? Or onto something?
Your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (17:54):
All right, let's start with Dre from the Great State
of Michigan, those defending reigning college football champions. You're all
live right now. Man on the couple of Christmas r VJ.
Brnning Husky and for Rob Parker, is aunt tripping or
is magic over the line?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Here?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
What you got for is Dray Vernon Husky and that
other dude, I forget his name. He don't be at
work that much.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
For vacation man, bro there's well rewarded you were.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Ain't nothing wrong with that player, wife, enjoy yourself man
than you. But I think he got his rabbity mind.
First of all. I think he's confusing athleticism with skill because,
like Husky was saying, you know, you had Tim Hardaway,
you had Isaiah, Thomas Brod Strickland. They were doing all
that dribbling with thou carrying.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, it was Away was the original one of the
original crossovers.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
You take original crossover.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Isaiah was Hardaway, profect, right, But then you had you
had people like Rich Hammond. Rich Hammond, he was in
two thousands, but Regie Miller coming off penn downs, coming
off screens, getting they shot.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
They had to actually playing set.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
It wasn't just after the open man, you know, they
had that. You look at Dennis Robbins, he watched the
rotation of the ball to know where the ball is
gonna bounce off so he can grab the rebound. They
ain't even close, dude. Then they gotta understand too. He
sounded like a dude that grew up watching YouTube highlights
and not the interesting game.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Well means really probably not even YouTube volly.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Mean exactly means the guys played real basketball, they had
real skill set, and he just talked stupid. I think
this is just a rebuttal to they getting tired of
some of the older heads talking about how soft the
game is right now.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I think I think all this killed the nineties
stuff is nties yet? Is it's a response to the
Jordan Lebron debate, Right, That's really what it is, because
it's a way to try to disparage Jordan's competition and
then obviously say, well, see he didn't play against the
competition that Lebron played against.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
That that's where a lot.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Of lumbers they were just plumbers, Chris, there weren't, No,
they were just lumber.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Bro Yeah that was JJ Reddick.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And now that was in the nineties, obviously, when you're
talking about the sixties.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
A new current NBA coach.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, right, but yeah, I feel I feel you, I
know you do, ye all right, let's move on.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Man, Justin from New Mexico. You're a lit right now.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
A couple of Fox Sports Radio Chris Brusar back for
Vacation VJ.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Verner Husky and for Rob Parker. Is that crazy?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Man?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Or is Magic wrong? On this? What you got for U? Buddy?
Speaker 10 (20:25):
And it's going on, fellas Chris. Good to see you back, man,
Thank you man, good to be back. I think Anthony
Verards is out of his mind. Man. One thing I
wanted to ask you guys is and it is just
a hypothailic. I know we would never get to see it, obviously,
but that ninety two dream team up against this year's
Olympic team. I mean, who do you guys think will
(20:46):
come out on top.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Personally?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And I look, a lot of the players are some
of the key players on the ninety two dream team.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
We're older.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Bird never played another DA game, right, Magic played? Like
you know, Magic was obviously at the HIV, so he
wasn't even in the league. So you know, they weren't
at their best in their prime. But here's why I
think I would still.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Take the ninety two team.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Obviously, you had Jordan, you had Barkley, you had Pippin
at their best, Stockton, Ewing, Barkley, Malone all at their best,
Clyde Drexler.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And back then.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And this is why I think even the best teams
in that era would in many ways beat these teams today.
They played five man basketball. They knew how to Michael
Jordan and all the rest of them, Barkley as good
as they were one on one, knew how to go
set a pick, knew how to run a back door cut,
(21:44):
knew how to run play without the ball in their hands.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Today, there's no reason on God's.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Green earth, that's Serbia, with what three NBA players, only
one of them a star, should have been that close
to beating the absolute best players American players in the NBA.
There is no The reason they did because they played
better team basketball. And that's where I think. You take
(22:14):
the ninety two dream team with good athleticism, not quite
what this team has, but very good athleticism.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And then they play together.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
They played better five man basketball, moving without the ball
and all that, I think they beat them.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Yeah, for me, it's Dream Team by fifteen. It's not close.
And yeah it's not it's good TV. It's not close.
I'm not once again. I'm not gonna get caught up
in athleticsism today. And like you said, team basketball moving
the ball, who's guarding Ewing, who's guarding David Robinson, Who's
guardening Karl Malone?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Karl Malone was a tryd trouble with big boys from
Australia in Germany.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Yeah, who's like and you're talking about they were down
seventeen like the South to Dent and shout out to
them and shout out to what Royal.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Ivey and lou All Dagan's doing with that program and
for him, but for them to all, I mean, I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
At one point submission, Yeah what one point?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Like stop stop playing? Stop playing with me? Man, No,
I'm with you. I mean dream Team by fifteen, it's
not that's not This week. We got Clarence Hill around
the corner.
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Speaker 3 (23:27):
All right, thank you, Steve.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
We want to welcome in live here in the Tirereck
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All City Network. Our man, Clarence Hill Junior. What's up, brother,
what's up man?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
How you doing?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I'm great. We got VJ. Huskin for Rob. Congratulations on
your move.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
I Matt, thank you man, Thank you man. Twenty nine
years of doing at one place. You know, it's it's
me scary, but it's kind to pop out and do
something different.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Nah, man, that's great.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
You know, we know you're gonna thrive like you always do.
But let's get to these cowboys.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
So they signed CD, which I'm sure you're not surprised by.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
My thing is this clearance.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I feel like if they had signed CD months ago,
they before the quote unquote leaves dropped, they probably could
have got him for thirty maybe thirty one million a year.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Instead they're paying him. You know, they gave him thirty
four million a year.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I know it might not sound like too big of
a difference, but I just think this is another example
of them kind of waiting until the last minute and
ended up overpaid. I shouldn't say overpaying, but paying a
guy more than you probably had to had you signed
him earlier.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
What are your thoughts well.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
I disagree because I think that it takes two to tango,
and CD and his agent weren't started until doubts until
Justin Jefferson's sign.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You know, they were wait, okay.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
He had the league and catches, he set a team
records in in yards. You look at his numbers, he's
right there with with Justin Jefferson. He was not worried
about those other deals. He was he was waiting for
Justin Jefferson to sign, and he was getting in that neighborhood.
And so you know, yes, the Cowboys would love to
get him done early, but they weren't interested in doing
(25:29):
a deal under at thirty one or thirty two. I
mean the Cowboys with thirty two, thirty three, and they
weren't doing that. I mean they wash that fast and
stuck on being and that Justin Jefferson neighborhood. So yeah,
you would think that the Cowboys could have done and
got it done early, but that that's not necessarily case.
(25:50):
Now was also to it. We knew what Jefferson's numbers
were back in June. Now did it take till allus
almost September to come up with a number that flows
to Jefferson that's why you're good inside the cowboys. But
we already knew what was gonna take get him done
way back in dealing with Jefferson sign that was the
leave or a big tree that fell to let the
cowboy know what the market was.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Okay, that's fair, that's fair. Playersville Junior v. J. Vernon
Huskin for Rob Parker Man, I love your work. Great
to be talking to you.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Let's slip over to the other side of this, which
is Dak and that's the last kind of elephant left
in the room.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
If the sixty millions on the table, I say, if
you're Dak, you take it.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
But if it's anything lower than this, and just you know,
you're here to the ground there in Dallas. What you
hear they're gonna get this deal done or Dak is
gonna play on this last year deal and become a
free agent, because I think if something like that were
to happen, or it went that far, he could walk.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
And now you have this high price receiver with nobody
to throw him the ball. Where are you at with
all this? What are you hear?
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Well? I'm with you. I'm just saying that that makes
no sense that you invest the type of money and
see Lamb and do not guarantee. You make sure as
you have a quarterback to maximize that investment. So to me,
it does go hand in hand. But the Cowboys want
to find that, there's no question about that. The question
is what number is that going to accept and what
(27:09):
that's going to say? Because you're right, he does have
free to see in his back pocket. He has a
no trade clause, there's no tag clause. He could be
a free in March, you know. And there are teams
out there like the Raiders whose quarterback hungry, who will
certainly be looking for a quarterback you have received like
Devonte Adams who ain't looking to play with no rookie
quarterback who will could possibly go sixty million more at him,
(27:32):
you know, So what number couldn't The Cowboys and Dak
have a median of mind, so I don't think that
necessarily has to have sixty million or sixty two million.
But he's not going to take a blow market deal.
You know, He's used it to himself. He older to
his family, to other quarterback to not take a blow
market deal. Where that last, I don't know when that
lands out, don't know where they could go all the
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way up until next March.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
How committed is dak to like being a cowboy?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Because some parts to me, I wonder, you know what
he does.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Does he ever think about, you know, I might want
to get away from the circus and go somewhere where
you don't, you know, you don't have all the trappings
that you do with the Cowboys or Pittsburgh or something
like that. Or do you think is he just like
he really is all in on being a cowboy.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Well, I mean, he grew up with a Cowboys fans.
He's definitely all in on being the cowboy. But he's
also a grown man. He's mature, he understands the game
that he understands that, and he told us all the
great quarterbacks of his time to play with other teams,
So he's not fearful of having to go somewhere else.
He has too let us stay with the Cowboys, but
he's not fearful. You know, Tom Brady, Peyton, Manny, you
(28:40):
know all the great quarterbacks during the time that he
grew up watching play for other teams. You know, this
whole notion that you stay with the same team you
come up came in with that that's not realistic with
this generation of players. Don't understand that. But yes, he
would let us stay with the cowboys.
Speaker 10 (28:55):
He's out filful to go anywhere.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
If they don't come correct on the money.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
So Clarien, let's stick with this cowboy whole theme here.
How does this if in the perfect world? And you
said you don't know what the number is, and I
was gonna be my second part of my question is
with Dak, there's there's gotta be a number. And I'm
a guy that believes in market value when it comes
to the NFL. I ain't never mad at a guy
who was saying, no, I want the market value like
(29:20):
you said the CD and is representatives. No, we're gonna
let JJ get his deal first, then we'll come back
to the table.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
What's a deal that you think would be too low?
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Where Dak will say no, no, thank you, I'm gonna
go ahead and says freeze it.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Does it have to be sixty or more?
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I don't think it has to be sixty more? But
like I said, the baseline of shitty side, that's what
I say for it back forget. So what's that number
between Figg's violence and sixty that we can be that's
amenable to that, you know, to let other quarterbacks know that, hey,
I'm still raising the market. Let the Cowboys know I'm
not trying to get everything I want. Still want to
help you guys get other players on the team. You know,
(29:54):
that's that's where you are. You know, I don't know
that that wants sixty sixty two millions, and you know
certainly that know the numbers that could be on the
table in Fredancy. You know, if it comes to that point,
yes he will take it, but the Cowboys have to
get something that's worth him staying for and it ain't
gonna be fifty five.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Do you think that the Cowboys are okay at the
running back spot? We know they lost Tony Pollard. They
brought back Zeke, but he's not what he used to be,
you know, and they got the other guys du Vun
and dowdled and all that.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Do you you think they're okay there?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Or that's gonna really haunt them that they didn't go
out and get a better running back.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
It's funny, you ass, fun of you ass. The Cowboys
are bringing in Dalvas Cooks tonight for a visit. You
know they're bringing into team new just Bro. They're bringing
in Dallas Cooks Knife for visits. So they're acknowledging what
we all have seen in training cabin. They possibly upgrade
their running back. Now Donad Cook the back he was,
(30:57):
I don't know, he had a down your last year
a Jet.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I don't think you know, it wasn't with the Jets.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
And but you know he's been working out and spost
be healthy and they're gonna kick guitars on Dalvas Cook
and see what he looks like if he had some
of the old Jews. You know, he played under Mike
Zimmers even the coordinated in Minnesota, so there's the familiarity
there and uh so, so the bottom line is the
Cowboys are definitely looking to him to go to that
running back room, whether it's with Dalvin Cook. There was
(31:27):
another guy you know on the waiver wire, but yeah,
they run the running back position is in flux right now.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
So that they like Zeke.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
They brought Zeke back, but they didn't spend a lot
for Zique. He sting they could help them in the
goal line situation. They like Rico Daldell. You know, Duce
Vaughan is a you know, looking lovable story, great Kansas state.
You know, they're still trying to figure out what kind
of role he can have, you know, on this football team.
And so they're kicking the towers and running back. They're
gonna be good at the gold line with Zeke, but
(31:55):
there's no explosiveness between the twenties.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Right right, all right, that's our Clarence Hill, Dallas Sports reporter, Man,
good luck with everything going forward.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
We'll be checking you out.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Thank you, all right, mother.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
There's some QB rankings out there and DJ got a
problem with them.
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But I want to go to football quickly. VJs.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
The athletic Mike Sandel friend of the show he usually
is on. Maybe we'll get him on this week to
discuss his We do have him more on Wednesday. Great
to discuss he Every year he does his quarterback tiers
and he polls fifty people in the league, coaches, executives
and so on, scouts and they rank the quarterbacks by tiers.
(33:45):
And this year the Tier one was Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow,
and Josh Allen in that order, because these are ordered
as well. Tier two number four, Lamar Jackson, five, Matthew
Stafford and Justin Herbert were tired seven, Aaron Rodgers eight, c. J.
(34:06):
Stroud nine, Dak Prescott ten, Jared Goff, then Jalen Hurts, Brock, Purdy,
Kirk Cousins and Jordan Love that was filled out tier two.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
But you have an issue with C. J. Stroud being
on tier two. Explain Yeah, well, number one.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
The reason why I got an issue with him being
on tier two is because I have an issue with
tier one. See Tier one should be Patrick Mahomes and
then it stops.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
It shouldn't it should Yeah, it should gree On. It
shouldn't be Burrow, and it shouldn't be Allen.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
He's in the league's He's in the league by his
darn self. He's going for his third straight ring. And
no matter what pieces they lose, who they trade, who leaves. Look,
Juju came back right. Juju thought the war. He thought
the grass was greener. No, it's not, Bro. You're playing
with big, You're playing with fifteen. You got big red
over here with the big with the big red over
(34:57):
coat on the coach, like, this is where you to
be because we win championships year, we go to the
conference game every year. So I have a problem with
that number one, and then burnwod Allen being there with him.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
He should be by himself.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
The reason why party, I mean, excuse me, not pretty,
but the straw one bothers me is because so after
a nine and six year okay missing two games, missing
two games to concussion. I love the five only interceptions.
That means the young kid takes care of the ball.
I don't have a problem with it. That's probably why
he beat pookin the coup out for Rookie of the Year.
Is because of only the five turnovers that he you know,
(35:31):
produces a quarterback twenty three touchdown.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Passes, but nine to six.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
And if you go back to the game they win
against Indianapolis that gave them the conference, which gave them
a home playoff game. If the coach don't throw the
ball to a fullback that's had zero targets all year
long in the flats, they're gonna win that game. They're
gonna set up point for a field goal. Then in
the playoff game, I get it, he gets the playoff win.
But you're going against Cleveland, a deplete. Yeah, a big
(35:56):
a big win, A big win, A big win, but
no soo a team what they didn't look like it
that day, but a team also to where the flac
oh I call him Uncle Flaco because Uncle Flaco Magic
ran out right and I'm not saying c J. Stroud
can't play Chris. I'm not saying J. Straut's not good,
but to put him in Tier two already off of
nine and six in a playoff win. Now, I'll propose
(36:18):
the question to you, because I've heard you, you and
Rob and other guests talk about this topic a lot.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Is it the one playoff win that gets him there?
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Because that don't have a playoff I'm not you know,
a good recent one. He's got one, I believe against
the Bucks a few years ago. But that's right up
there with him, you know what I'm saying, Like Kirk Cousins,
it would be in Tier two with him. That's That's
where I'm kind of like, Okay, well, how is Shroud?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Cousins is tier two as well?
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Exactly, That's what I'm saying. But I don't think Cousins
is a Tier two quarterback. I believe he's probably more
Tier three at this point.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
And c J.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Stroud is not better than Jalen Hurt. We can stop that, we.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Can stop I'm not sure about that. You. I mean,
c J. Stroud just had the best rookie season of
all time. CJ.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Stroud just lifted a team that not only a team
had a franchise that was a mess, had gone three
thirteen and one the year before, and they got a
rookie head coach. They've got unproven receivers, and he lifts
them to ten, a ten and seven record and a
(37:25):
playoff win. Now, I thought your argument would be it's
too early, it is premature. I don't personally have a
problem with him being in Tier two, especially since their
Tier two was so big, but I get wanting to
see him do it a second year.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
But what he did last year, and remember also his
offensive line was a mess. I mean injuries depleted that
line severely, and.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
His top five left tackle and Laramie Tunsel, Yeah that
might be the second or third.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, but he can't block everybody, No, he can't, but
so many injuries.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
He is, But there have so many injuries that on
that line that they barely you know, even had the
same five man group for any significant amount of time.
So I just think, especially again with the tier being
that big, I.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Have no problem with CJ being in. You got him
better than tour.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Yes, absolutely, he's so awful one year he's better than.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Absolutely, he's proven he can beat good.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Teams to it still hasn't proven that what good teams
did he beat?
Speaker 5 (38:43):
All right, so they got That's why I'm asking.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
That was my quest, not just that is he beat
other good teams during the season.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
I had because I know it was one in six
against playoff teams last year.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, well you can't winning.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
And look make sure we clear that up to four
of those losses twice against the Chiefs, twice against the Bills.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
So there's two. All right, that's who you got up
against the clock. Were up against the clock.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah all right, Well we'll get into this next keep
it lying a couple
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(01:00):
Great day obviously to talk to him, so we're looking
forward to that. But let's get into some basketball because
last week I was on vacation v J and I
saw it was fantastic, awesome, went to Bali if you
can get there.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Okay, big, okay, Big, it was big baller. You know
it was nice man.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
You just do it.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I just threw it out there. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I was in Balie, you know, because I'm about to
own it. Me and my wife we're thinking about it.
We're thinking about buying it, and my wife were thinking
about buying it, so we went to check it out
see what it was about.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Like that. But but definitely a good time. Man.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I saw this story where Anthony Edwards and I am
a big Anthony Edwards fan, like him a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Great game. I think he will be.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Hmm if he isn't already the best American player in
the NBA pretty soon, you gotta say it like that
because we don't have the best player.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Right now. But anyway, and he said this quote.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
He was asked by the Wall Street Journal about nineteen nineties.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Basketball, and here's what he said.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I didn't watch it back in the day, so I
can't speak on it.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
VJ. He should have stopped right there.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yep, he should have stopped right there, all right, cause you.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Just went on this show. You're ignorant something, are you
saying yourself? I didn't watch to watch it, so why
are you commenting on it? So here he is.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
They say it was tougher back then than it is now,
But I don't think anybody had skill back then. Now,
where are you even getting that from? If you didn't
watch it, where are you getting that from? Michael Jordan
was the only one that really had skill, you know
what I mean. So that's why when they saw Kobe,
(03:05):
they were like, oh my god, But now everybody had skill.
Magic Johnson, who played in the eighties and early nineties
a couple of years, one of the top five players
of all time in just about everybody's list.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
He had a great response to this, VJ. And here
it is.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
Any Edwards just said the other day that there really
wasn't any skilled players in the NBA back in the
day outside.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Of Michael Jordan. That's what he's saying. Your response to
that ear than you know.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I don't never respond to a guy that's never won
a championship.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Talk that Mic saying he didn't win a college championship.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I don't know if you even want to high Oh,
that's a true magic one. You probably noticed, VJ.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Magic won three championships high school, college, and NBA in
a four year span.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Think about that. That's like something I'm gonna do with
your bar stuff right there. Absolutely so what are your
thoughts on this? First of all, I'm with you, man, Anthony. Look.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
I like Ed, I really do. I thought he ran
out of gas in the postseason. That's some young stuff
he gonna have to Ed. And I think it was
emotional more so exactly physical, and also too I would
like him to peel a little back on I like
organic character. I like organic personality. But when I feel
like you're trying to be somebody, you're trying to be
like a person like no allows, I feel like you're
(04:49):
trying a little too hard. Just let it happen organically.
But Magic, Irvin Johnson, mister ten time All NBA, mister
twelve time All Star, five championship, he changed, changed the game,
like he changed the point guard position forever.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Aunt ain't gonna change nothing. We've seen Anthony Edwards. He's good.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I've seen you before, Homeboy. His name was Dwayne Wade.
I've seen you before homeboy. His name was Penny Hardaway. Okay,
and you not them dudes yet he wouldn't. Yeah about
Penny man who if not for the microfracture, Yeah, yeah,
Penny was something different.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But I love the way Magic hit this back. But Chris,
this is the problem.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
This is where we are in today's sports world where
for some reason we keep trying to tear down what
was what built today and I can't stand it.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I don't ride with it at all, even when I
do top ten lists some times saying quarterback right, yeah,
I got Johnny Unitis there.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
You gotta go do your research and put the and
put the damn film on.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
You can't just have everybody from two thousand and four
to today. And I think that happens a lot in
these discussions, and some of these young buckeroos need to
kind of do some research and watch their mouth, because
if it wasn't for those guys that came before you, homeboy,
you wouldn't have no sneaker deal. You wouldn't have the
guarantee money that you're getting right now. If anything, if
(06:07):
I'm that young and I'm that nice, good looking guy, personable,
you got a little character, I'm doing nothing but paying homage.
I'm doing nothing but paying homage to the old school cats,
because you never know, your cel phone might ring with
a piece of advice that can change your career. Now,
who from the past want to call and help you. Now,
they're gonna be sitting, They're gonna be do right that you.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
You just made a bunch of enemies time, a ton
of them. Yeah, exactly, And dude, you know, look, they
they're older, they're more mature. They'll give you a little grace,
but it also stings. And they ain't gonna like no,
and you know what I mean, like, they'll be cool
with you when you know, when they see you at
the All Star Game and all that. But you better
(06:47):
believe they doing some talking right now. Who this dude
think is.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And I actually because I agree with with just about
everything you said, but I actually want to break this down. Okay,
I want to break down what Anthony Edwards said and
let's explore it and we I think we'll have a chance.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
To give it to the callers and see what they think.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
But first of all, VJs, what does he mean by skill?
What does he mean by skill? Because obviously Michael.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Jordan is the goat. I think you agree with that too,
not close. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
All right, But in the Michael Jordan in the nineties
was not the best shooter in the league. He was
probably the best mid range shooter, but he wasn't the
best overall jump shooter.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
He had a nice handle, but it wasn't the best
handle in the league.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
He was a very good passor, but he wasn't the
best passer in the league, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So, now he had the best moves and that's a skill.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But if I'm just wondering, like, why why do you
say Michael was skilled?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
He was, of course, but other guys weren't.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
There were guys that dribbled better than Michael, there were
guys that shot better than Michael. There were guys that
passed better than Michael. But why weren't they skilled? And secondly,
I'm wondering, like.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
VJ. Who won the MVP on Team USA this year
at the Olympics. Lebron Lebron.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, now I think Steph should have won it because
he was so dynamic in those last two games, but
Lebron was the best player over the six games.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That's fine. My point is this is Lebron the most
skilled player on that team.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
No, Lebron ain't the best shooter, He's not the best fighter.
Lebron's airball several free throw I mean, and I love Lebron.
I'm just saying he's airball several free throws in the NBA.
All right, he is not the best dribbler. He's the
best passor on that team. But what are you even
(09:05):
talking about? What do you even mean when you say skills,
because I tell you one thing, that's the skill VJ
post moves. Absolutely who playing today and I'm including na
Kola Jokic and he about the only one, I can say,
the only one with any even decent exact post moves.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
And his bost moves aren't great, really aren't.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I mean, as much as I love Jokic, I think
is the best player in the world, his bost moves
aren't great motion right these big he got at little
jump hook and he can you know, scoring. There ain't
nobody in the NBA to day that has a fraction
of the post moves that the.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Kam Olajuan had in the nineties or that Kevin McHale
had in the eighties. There is no one in the
NBA today because passing is a skill.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And is includes Lebron and it includes the Kolea Jokic,
who is close to as good of a passer as
Magic Johnson was three of the best passers of all time.
I would say three of the top ten passers of
all time Isaiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird. They played
(10:22):
in the eighties, not even the nineties for the most part.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I can't fit John Stockton in there.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, yes, absolutely, he was obviously more nineties. Yeah, And
so I'm just saying, like, what are you even talking about?
What do you mean by skill? The only thing I
guess are you saying.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Three point shooting?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And they shoot the three Last year twenty twenty four,
the average three point percentage in the league.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
VJ was thirty six point six percent in nineteen ninety eight,
when the line was the same as it is today.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It was shorter for three years in the nineties, but
in nineteen ninety eight it was the same. It was
thirty four point six percent. So two percentage points difference
in three point shooting. They just shoot it a lot
more now, And I will tell you, I believe if
they had shot it as much, then the percentage would
be pretty close to what it is now.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, I'm with you on the whole skill thing too.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
So I have some names down here too, and some
skills that nobody today touches, And I talk about this
when I talk about the old days or the old
school as opposed to today. Let's just go to rebounding,
which is a skill. Whether people believe that or not,
it's a skill that you most definitely need. You got
guys like Rudy Gobert who can't pull more than thirteen
twelve rebounds down a night. Okay, you got guys like
(11:45):
Joe el Embiid who can't pull down These guys are
getting fifteen sixteen rebounds.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So there's not a rebounder in the league right now.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Now, I would say the last fifteen years, maybe Duncan,
big fundamental, maybe the big ticket KG, Kevin Garnet. I'll
put some guys like that up there, but Dennis Rodman.
But he's seven straight years, he's probably.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
The best rebounder. Yeah, I mean just inch for.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Inch eighteen, eighteen, seventeen, sixteen, fourteen, sixteen, fifteen, that was
his seven year stretch.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Nobody's touching that.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
The day John Stockton I got to throw him in
there before Larry Bird because you're talking about the all
time leader in assists. Oh, by the way, all time
leader and stills INBA history too. Like the man leads
two categories it's a skill to play defense and play
the passing lane and not and tip the ball. Like,
I'm with you, like what skill three point shooting? Chris,
I'm probably gonna get a lot of hate on this
(12:36):
one right here, man in today's game, that you're throwing
up so many of them, it's I don't know if
I want to call.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
It a skill.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I would definitely call this maybe an attribute, I know,
but let me here's my word, and.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You don't shit is a skill?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
In fact, I'd say that's much more of a skilled
in basket than defense. No, well, because defense can be
a lot of hard art. If you have a requisite
level of athleticism and strength, then you can be a
good defense.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
But then there's no the ain't no hard today because
don't nobody playing no defense. If you want to say
it's hard, fine, but defense is kind of that's kind
that's kind of touching going today's NBA.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
But I'm with you on the whole skilled thing.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
And also dribbling Isaiah Thomas's handles like Ze's handles back
in the defeat Marivith.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, oh absolutely, getting seventies.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Absolutely, and dude, listen, he's theof handlers that we can
go to Elgin, we can go to Big Oh, we
could go there's a lot, there's a ton of guys
you and not no ball. We can throw names out
from this that you want to go to the sixties.
We can throw Casey Jones. We there were plays Moses Malone,
it was he was twenty twenty before we really knew
what twenty twenty was.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Twenty boys, twenty boy. Yeah, Moses, and he won a
championship for the sixes. But look he I think he's
in his mind. My guess is that Anthony Edwards is
talking about probably two things, shooting the three, which we
already dealt with that, but not like there were dudes
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couldn't shoot back then.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
They were great shooters man there.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
And ball handling, and we just named Isaiah Thomas, Pistol,
Pete Merrivag, guys a chiny archiball who were phenomenal ball handlers.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
But here's the thing, VJ.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And we're gonna go to the college in a few minutes,
I will admit that the ball handling today is better.
You think so, well, here let me finish. It's better
than ever. But here's why they let you care. Okay,
all right, then, it's not better that they talk well,
but I mean they allow it. But I agree with you.
(14:39):
I hear what you saying, and I don't disagree with that.
But you know what I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Saying, Like you, I played point guard in cot. I'm
not saying I had the greatest handle in the world.
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
But I'm telling you if you if I would have
been allowed to palm the ball the way they do that,
you literally see dudes take a They'll have.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Their hand under the ball.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
For a split second, the whole second and crossover and
go to the opposite like that is. I mean, can
do all types of stuff now they carry bringing the
ball up court against no defense. They carry all the time,
and when going up you had to keep your hand
on top of the ball.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Sometimes it gets on the side.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Of course, but you can do so much more when
you can you have that type of freedom to have
your hand under the ball, to hold it for a
split second or second in the air before you decide
which way you go.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I mean, it's ridiculous and.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Mean serious, and so that is why you see you
know what he thinks are skills and to your point,
it's it's breaking the rules.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
But they now allow it.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And so yeah, and should have stopped at I didn't
watch it back then, so I can't.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Speak on it.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
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The way in.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Is Anthony Edwards out of his mind? Or onto something?
Your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (17:54):
All right, let's start with Dre from the Great State
of Michigan, those defending reigning college football champions. You're all
live right now. Man on the couple of Christmas r VJ.
Brnning Husky and for Rob Parker, is aunt tripping or
is magic over the line?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Here?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
What you got for is Dray Vernon Husky and that
other dude, I forget his name. He don't be at
work that much.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
For vacation man, bro there's well rewarded you were.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Ain't nothing wrong with that player, wife, enjoy yourself man
than you. But I think he got his rabbity mind.
First of all. I think he's confusing athleticism with skill because,
like Husky was saying, you know, you had Tim Hardaway,
you had Isaiah, Thomas Brod Strickland. They were doing all
that dribbling with thou carrying.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, it was Away was the original one of the
original crossovers.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
You take original crossover.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Isaiah was Hardaway, profect, right, But then you had you
had people like Rich Hammond. Rich Hammond, he was in
two thousands, but Regie Miller coming off penn downs, coming
off screens, getting they shot.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
They had to actually playing set.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
It wasn't just after the open man, you know, they
had that. You look at Dennis Robbins, he watched the
rotation of the ball to know where the ball is
gonna bounce off so he can grab the rebound. They
ain't even close, dude. Then they gotta understand too. He
sounded like a dude that grew up watching YouTube highlights
and not the interesting game.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Well means really probably not even YouTube volly.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Mean exactly means the guys played real basketball, they had
real skill set, and he just talked stupid. I think
this is just a rebuttal to they getting tired of
some of the older heads talking about how soft the
game is right now.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I think I think all this killed the nineties
stuff is nties yet? Is it's a response to the
Jordan Lebron debate, Right, That's really what it is, because
it's a way to try to disparage Jordan's competition and
then obviously say, well, see he didn't play against the
competition that Lebron played against.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
That that's where a lot.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Of lumbers they were just plumbers, Chris, there weren't, No,
they were just lumber.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Bro Yeah that was JJ Reddick.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And now that was in the nineties, obviously, when you're
talking about the sixties.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
A new current NBA coach.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, right, but yeah, I feel I feel you, I
know you do, ye all right, let's move on.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Man, Justin from New Mexico. You're a lit right now.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
A couple of Fox Sports Radio Chris Brusar back for
Vacation VJ.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Verner Husky and for Rob Parker. Is that crazy?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Man?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Or is Magic wrong? On this? What you got for U? Buddy?
Speaker 10 (20:25):
And it's going on, fellas Chris. Good to see you back, man,
Thank you man, good to be back. I think Anthony
Verards is out of his mind. Man. One thing I
wanted to ask you guys is and it is just
a hypothailic. I know we would never get to see it, obviously,
but that ninety two dream team up against this year's
Olympic team. I mean, who do you guys think will
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come out on top.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Personally?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And I look, a lot of the players are some
of the key players on the ninety two dream team.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
We're older.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Bird never played another DA game, right, Magic played? Like
you know, Magic was obviously at the HIV, so he
wasn't even in the league. So you know, they weren't
at their best in their prime. But here's why I
think I would still.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Take the ninety two team.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Obviously, you had Jordan, you had Barkley, you had Pippin
at their best, Stockton, Ewing, Barkley, Malone all at their best,
Clyde Drexler.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And back then.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And this is why I think even the best teams
in that era would in many ways beat these teams today.
They played five man basketball. They knew how to Michael
Jordan and all the rest of them, Barkley as good
as they were one on one, knew how to go
set a pick, knew how to run a back door cut,
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knew how to run play without the ball in their hands.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Today, there's no reason on God's.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Green earth, that's Serbia, with what three NBA players, only
one of them a star, should have been that close
to beating the absolute best players American players in the NBA.
There is no The reason they did because they played
better team basketball. And that's where I think. You take
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the ninety two dream team with good athleticism, not quite
what this team has, but very good athleticism.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And then they play together.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
They played better five man basketball, moving without the ball
and all that, I think they beat them.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Yeah, for me, it's Dream Team by fifteen. It's not close.
And yeah it's not it's good TV. It's not close.
I'm not once again. I'm not gonna get caught up
in athleticsism today. And like you said, team basketball moving
the ball, who's guarding Ewing, who's guarding David Robinson, Who's
guardening Karl Malone?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Karl Malone was a tryd trouble with big boys from
Australia in Germany.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Yeah, who's like and you're talking about they were down
seventeen like the South to Dent and shout out to
them and shout out to what Royal.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Ivey and lou All Dagan's doing with that program and
for him, but for them to all, I mean, I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
At one point submission, Yeah what one point?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Like stop stop playing? Stop playing with me? Man, No,
I'm with you. I mean dream Team by fifteen, it's
not that's not This week. We got Clarence Hill around
the corner.
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Speaker 3 (23:27):
All right, thank you, Steve.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
We want to welcome in live here in the Tirereck
dot Com studios. Our man friend of the show, Dallas
Sports reporter that's the new affiliate in DWAs with the
All City Network. Our man, Clarence Hill Junior. What's up, brother,
what's up man?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
How you doing?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I'm great. We got VJ. Huskin for Rob. Congratulations on
your move.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
I Matt, thank you man, Thank you man. Twenty nine
years of doing at one place. You know, it's it's
me scary, but it's kind to pop out and do
something different.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Nah, man, that's great.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
You know, we know you're gonna thrive like you always do.
But let's get to these cowboys.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
So they signed CD, which I'm sure you're not surprised by.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
My thing is this clearance.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I feel like if they had signed CD months ago,
they before the quote unquote leaves dropped, they probably could
have got him for thirty maybe thirty one million a year.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Instead they're paying him. You know, they gave him thirty
four million a year.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I know it might not sound like too big of
a difference, but I just think this is another example
of them kind of waiting until the last minute and
ended up overpaid. I shouldn't say overpaying, but paying a
guy more than you probably had to had you signed
him earlier.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
What are your thoughts well.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
I disagree because I think that it takes two to tango,
and CD and his agent weren't started until doubts until
Justin Jefferson's sign.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You know, they were wait, okay.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
He had the league and catches, he set a team
records in in yards. You look at his numbers, he's
right there with with Justin Jefferson. He was not worried
about those other deals. He was he was waiting for
Justin Jefferson to sign, and he was getting in that neighborhood.
And so you know, yes, the Cowboys would love to
get him done early, but they weren't interested in doing
(25:29):
a deal under at thirty one or thirty two. I
mean the Cowboys with thirty two, thirty three, and they
weren't doing that. I mean they wash that fast and
stuck on being and that Justin Jefferson neighborhood. So yeah,
you would think that the Cowboys could have done and
got it done early, but that that's not necessarily case.
(25:50):
Now was also to it. We knew what Jefferson's numbers
were back in June. Now did it take till allus
almost September to come up with a number that flows
to Jefferson that's why you're good inside the cowboys. But
we already knew what was gonna take get him done
way back in dealing with Jefferson sign that was the
leave or a big tree that fell to let the
cowboy know what the market was.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Okay, that's fair, that's fair. Playersville Junior v. J. Vernon
Huskin for Rob Parker Man, I love your work. Great
to be talking to you.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Let's slip over to the other side of this, which
is Dak and that's the last kind of elephant left
in the room.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
If the sixty millions on the table, I say, if
you're Dak, you take it.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
But if it's anything lower than this, and just you know,
you're here to the ground there in Dallas. What you
hear they're gonna get this deal done or Dak is
gonna play on this last year deal and become a
free agent, because I think if something like that were
to happen, or it went that far, he could walk.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
And now you have this high price receiver with nobody
to throw him the ball. Where are you at with
all this? What are you hear?
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Well? I'm with you. I'm just saying that that makes
no sense that you invest the type of money and
see Lamb and do not guarantee. You make sure as
you have a quarterback to maximize that investment. So to me,
it does go hand in hand. But the Cowboys want
to find that, there's no question about that. The question
is what number is that going to accept and what
(27:09):
that's going to say? Because you're right, he does have
free to see in his back pocket. He has a
no trade clause, there's no tag clause. He could be
a free in March, you know. And there are teams
out there like the Raiders whose quarterback hungry, who will
certainly be looking for a quarterback you have received like
Devonte Adams who ain't looking to play with no rookie
quarterback who will could possibly go sixty million more at him,
(27:32):
you know, So what number couldn't The Cowboys and Dak
have a median of mind, so I don't think that
necessarily has to have sixty million or sixty two million.
But he's not going to take a blow market deal.
You know, He's used it to himself. He older to
his family, to other quarterback to not take a blow
market deal. Where that last, I don't know when that
lands out, don't know where they could go all the
(27:53):
way up until next March.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
How committed is dak to like being a cowboy?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Because some parts to me, I wonder, you know what
he does.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Does he ever think about, you know, I might want
to get away from the circus and go somewhere where
you don't, you know, you don't have all the trappings
that you do with the Cowboys or Pittsburgh or something
like that. Or do you think is he just like
he really is all in on being a cowboy.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Well, I mean, he grew up with a Cowboys fans.
He's definitely all in on being the cowboy. But he's
also a grown man. He's mature, he understands the game
that he understands that, and he told us all the
great quarterbacks of his time to play with other teams,
So he's not fearful of having to go somewhere else.
He has too let us stay with the Cowboys, but
he's not fearful. You know, Tom Brady, Peyton, Manny, you
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know all the great quarterbacks during the time that he
grew up watching play for other teams. You know, this
whole notion that you stay with the same team you
come up came in with that that's not realistic with
this generation of players. Don't understand that. But yes, he
would let us stay with the cowboys.
Speaker 10 (28:55):
He's out filful to go anywhere.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
If they don't come correct on the money.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
So Clarien, let's stick with this cowboy whole theme here.
How does this if in the perfect world? And you
said you don't know what the number is, and I
was gonna be my second part of my question is
with Dak, there's there's gotta be a number. And I'm
a guy that believes in market value when it comes
to the NFL. I ain't never mad at a guy
who was saying, no, I want the market value like
(29:20):
you said the CD and is representatives. No, we're gonna
let JJ get his deal first, then we'll come back
to the table.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
What's a deal that you think would be too low?
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Where Dak will say no, no, thank you, I'm gonna
go ahead and says freeze it.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Does it have to be sixty or more?
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I don't think it has to be sixty more? But
like I said, the baseline of shitty side, that's what
I say for it back forget. So what's that number
between Figg's violence and sixty that we can be that's
amenable to that, you know, to let other quarterbacks know that, hey,
I'm still raising the market. Let the Cowboys know I'm
not trying to get everything I want. Still want to
help you guys get other players on the team. You know,
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that's that's where you are. You know, I don't know
that that wants sixty sixty two millions, and you know
certainly that know the numbers that could be on the
table in Fredancy. You know, if it comes to that point,
yes he will take it, but the Cowboys have to
get something that's worth him staying for and it ain't
gonna be fifty five.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Do you think that the Cowboys are okay at the
running back spot? We know they lost Tony Pollard. They
brought back Zeke, but he's not what he used to be,
you know, and they got the other guys du Vun
and dowdled and all that.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Do you you think they're okay there?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Or that's gonna really haunt them that they didn't go
out and get a better running back.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
It's funny, you ass, fun of you ass. The Cowboys
are bringing in Dalvas Cooks tonight for a visit. You
know they're bringing into team new just Bro. They're bringing
in Dallas Cooks Knife for visits. So they're acknowledging what
we all have seen in training cabin. They possibly upgrade
their running back. Now Donad Cook the back he was,
(30:57):
I don't know, he had a down your last year
a Jet.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I don't think you know, it wasn't with the Jets.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
And but you know he's been working out and spost
be healthy and they're gonna kick guitars on Dalvas Cook
and see what he looks like if he had some
of the old Jews. You know, he played under Mike
Zimmers even the coordinated in Minnesota, so there's the familiarity
there and uh so, so the bottom line is the
Cowboys are definitely looking to him to go to that
running back room, whether it's with Dalvin Cook. There was
(31:27):
another guy you know on the waiver wire, but yeah,
they run the running back position is in flux right now.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
So that they like Zeke.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
They brought Zeke back, but they didn't spend a lot
for Zique. He sting they could help them in the
goal line situation. They like Rico Daldell. You know, Duce
Vaughan is a you know, looking lovable story, great Kansas state.
You know, they're still trying to figure out what kind
of role he can have, you know, on this football team.
And so they're kicking the towers and running back. They're
gonna be good at the gold line with Zeke, but
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there's no explosiveness between the twenties.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Right right, all right, that's our Clarence Hill, Dallas Sports reporter, Man,
good luck with everything going forward.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
We'll be checking you out.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Thank you, all right, mother.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
There's some QB rankings out there and DJ got a
problem with them.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
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But I want to go to football quickly. VJs.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
The athletic Mike Sandel friend of the show he usually
is on. Maybe we'll get him on this week to
discuss his We do have him more on Wednesday. Great
to discuss he Every year he does his quarterback tiers
and he polls fifty people in the league, coaches, executives
and so on, scouts and they rank the quarterbacks by tiers.
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And this year the Tier one was Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow,
and Josh Allen in that order, because these are ordered
as well. Tier two number four, Lamar Jackson, five, Matthew
Stafford and Justin Herbert were tired seven, Aaron Rodgers eight, c. J.
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Stroud nine, Dak Prescott ten, Jared Goff, then Jalen Hurts, Brock, Purdy,
Kirk Cousins and Jordan Love that was filled out tier two.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
But you have an issue with C. J. Stroud being
on tier two. Explain Yeah, well, number one.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
The reason why I got an issue with him being
on tier two is because I have an issue with
tier one. See Tier one should be Patrick Mahomes and
then it stops.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
It shouldn't it should Yeah, it should gree On. It
shouldn't be Burrow, and it shouldn't be Allen.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
He's in the league's He's in the league by his
darn self. He's going for his third straight ring. And
no matter what pieces they lose, who they trade, who leaves. Look,
Juju came back right. Juju thought the war. He thought
the grass was greener. No, it's not, Bro. You're playing
with big, You're playing with fifteen. You got big red
over here with the big with the big red over
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coat on the coach, like, this is where you to
be because we win championships year, we go to the
conference game every year. So I have a problem with
that number one, and then burnwod Allen being there with him.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
He should be by himself.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
The reason why party, I mean, excuse me, not pretty,
but the straw one bothers me is because so after
a nine and six year okay missing two games, missing
two games to concussion. I love the five only interceptions.
That means the young kid takes care of the ball.
I don't have a problem with it. That's probably why
he beat pookin the coup out for Rookie of the Year.
Is because of only the five turnovers that he you know,
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produces a quarterback twenty three touchdown.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Passes, but nine to six.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
And if you go back to the game they win
against Indianapolis that gave them the conference, which gave them
a home playoff game. If the coach don't throw the
ball to a fullback that's had zero targets all year
long in the flats, they're gonna win that game. They're
gonna set up point for a field goal. Then in
the playoff game, I get it, he gets the playoff win.
But you're going against Cleveland, a deplete. Yeah, a big
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a big win, A big win, A big win, but
no soo a team what they didn't look like it
that day, but a team also to where the flac
oh I call him Uncle Flaco because Uncle Flaco Magic
ran out right and I'm not saying c J. Stroud
can't play Chris. I'm not saying J. Straut's not good,
but to put him in Tier two already off of
nine and six in a playoff win. Now, I'll propose
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the question to you, because I've heard you, you and
Rob and other guests talk about this topic a lot.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Is it the one playoff win that gets him there?
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Because that don't have a playoff I'm not you know,
a good recent one. He's got one, I believe against
the Bucks a few years ago. But that's right up
there with him, you know what I'm saying, Like Kirk Cousins,
it would be in Tier two with him. That's That's
where I'm kind of like, Okay, well, how is Shroud?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Cousins is tier two as well?
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Exactly, That's what I'm saying. But I don't think Cousins
is a Tier two quarterback. I believe he's probably more
Tier three at this point.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
And c J.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Stroud is not better than Jalen Hurt. We can stop that, we.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Can stop I'm not sure about that. You. I mean,
c J. Stroud just had the best rookie season of
all time. CJ.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Stroud just lifted a team that not only a team
had a franchise that was a mess, had gone three
thirteen and one the year before, and they got a
rookie head coach. They've got unproven receivers, and he lifts
them to ten, a ten and seven record and a
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playoff win. Now, I thought your argument would be it's
too early, it is premature. I don't personally have a
problem with him being in Tier two, especially since their
Tier two was so big, but I get wanting to
see him do it a second year.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
But what he did last year, and remember also his
offensive line was a mess. I mean injuries depleted that
line severely, and.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
His top five left tackle and Laramie Tunsel, Yeah that
might be the second or third.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, but he can't block everybody, No, he can't, but
so many injuries.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
He is, But there have so many injuries that on
that line that they barely you know, even had the
same five man group for any significant amount of time.
So I just think, especially again with the tier being
that big, I.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Have no problem with CJ being in. You got him
better than tour.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Yes, absolutely, he's so awful one year he's better than.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Absolutely, he's proven he can beat good.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Teams to it still hasn't proven that what good teams
did he beat?
Speaker 5 (38:43):
All right, so they got That's why I'm asking.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
That was my quest, not just that is he beat
other good teams during the season.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
I had because I know it was one in six
against playoff teams last year.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, well you can't winning.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
And look make sure we clear that up to four
of those losses twice against the Chiefs, twice against the Bills.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
So there's two. All right, that's who you got up
against the clock. Were up against the clock.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah all right, Well we'll get into this next keep
it lying a couple
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