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August 28, 2024 37 mins

FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Rob, and he and Chris tell us if a Super Bowl 3-peat would cement Patrick Mahomes as the GOAT over Tom Brady and discuss Jrue Holiday’s assertion that winning an NBA championship means more than winning an Olympic gold medal. Plus, DraftKings Network host Trey Wingo swings by to discuss Mahomes’ path towards becoming the GOAT, whether or not we should expect Justin Fields to still start a few games for Pittsburgh, why Trevor Lawrence has failed to live up to expectations and what Caleb Williams can learn from that and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Chris Bruce and Ron Harker.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
You brought this up. You did trolling a roll in
last night. I did, and one of your topics was
or questions was about the ESPN poll of players, because
it was one hundred players, one hundred and three players,
types of questions about quarterbacks, most underrated, most overrated, so

(00:53):
on and so forth. And one of the questions they
were asked is who's the goat the greatest quarterback of
all time? Eighty five of the respondents said Tom Brady,
a few said someone else. They didn't tell us who.
That makes me think maybe they were jokes. You know

(01:14):
that they gods through in all types of crazy names.
But seven said Patrick Mahomes, and one player anonymously, of course,
said if Mahomes wins his third straight and becomes the
first quarterback ever to win three straight Super Bowls and

(01:35):
the first team, of course, would be the Chiefs. Then
that changes everything. So I want to ask you, Martin Weiss,
where are you right now on the goat conversation in
the NFL? And tell me where you've got Mahomes ranked
and what would it take for him to become the
go Will A three peak do it? Because obviously they're

(01:58):
on the cusp, they have a great chance. I think
they're better on paper than they were last year. Even
though they lost Laugerious Snead, they got some they I
think they strengthen their receiving corps, which will be big.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
They're definitely better on offense on paper than they were
last year. There's no doubtin not on defense.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
But the thing about the defense is it was a
It had a lot of young players, so those young
players that remain should get better. So that's kind of
what I mean there. But go ahead and share what
your thoughts are on the goat and where Mahomes ranks
and what you think he needs to do to surpass Brady.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
So I think when we're looking at who's the goat
the goat right the greatest of all time.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
There's a ton of two avenues.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Look at it, one accomplishments, the other one being ability.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
I think when you look at and I think obviously
the combination of those two really makes your goat argument unassailable.
When you look at a guy like Tom Brady, he's
got all the accolades in the world.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
And on top of that, won a ton of games. Right.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
But when you look at a guy like Patrick Mahomes,
he's got a lot of the same accolades. But if
he gets this three peat, in my opinion, there's gonna
be the prevailing sentiment.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
There will be a very very loud.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Minority, and one that grows exponentially at the end of
the season. If they end up pulling off a three
pet in the Kansas City Chief, be huge.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
I agree, I big like that pole next year, and
we talked about it last night. It'll be close to half,
if not half, or maybe more than half to say.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Mahomes is the guyah I think if you pull off
that three feet you're probably looking at it close to
a sixty forty split between voters, sixty of them being Tom,
forty of them being Mahomes, with Mahomes being under thirty still, right,
So you'd have to think eventually Patrick Mahomes is going
to end up taking that title. Right now, I would
actually probably still have him behind Joe Montana in terms

(03:51):
of accolades, right, in terms of the straight accolades.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
But I'll look at ability.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
To me, just Patrick Mahomes is up there with some
of the most talented people have ever seen it throw
football in terms of they're just football ability.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I mean Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, that's in that class.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
But when you're talking about greatest of all time, you
also have to combine that with winning, right, That's what
changes you from just being you know, a guy who's
got great ontewn you have.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
All the ability in the world if you don't win,
exactly accomplishments I mean Aaron Rodgers is I mean, until
Mahomes came along, you could argue he was the best
we've ever seen throw the football. Obviously, Dan Marino a
lot of people still say he's the best passor they've
ever seen. Marino never won a Super Bowl, He's not
in the conversation. Aaron Rodgers one super Bowl win and

(04:39):
one Super Bowl appearance, he's not in the conversation, right
all right, So I it's Brady right now. But you
hear me I say, and I've said this for a
long time. Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback I've ever seen.
He is the best quarterback I've ever seen. But he
is not the goat. You do have to have the accomplishments.

(05:03):
It's almost like hip hop. You can have a guy
that's an incredible lyricist and a great rapper, but he
doesn't make great songs, right. I mean, they're guys like that.
The beats aren't that tight, the hook isn't right, whatever
it might be.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
That, but they're incredible wordsmith like sonic in terms of
the lyrics, in terms of everything. For whatever reason, just
doesn't resonate in the same way, right right.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
And so you do you to be the goat rapper
in the conversation. You gotta make hits, all right. And
the same thing with this. You have to win championships.
You have to have accolades. So it's Brady, But I
do have Mahomes as number two ahead of Montana. I
got Montana three. But I look, I have always said, Martin,

(05:54):
it's not gonna take seven for Mahomes to become the goat.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
If this time time next year, if in fact, the
Kenz Chiefs pulled this off, there will be people shouting
from the.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Rooftops that Patrick Mahomes is the greatest of all time.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
And then when you ask, well what did he why
over Brady, They're gonna be like, well, when did Brady
ever win three in a row?

Speaker 5 (06:15):
And there?

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah. Look, I think I've always said he needs to
win five, and I feel like, you know, we'll see
if he wins this championship, you know how it happens
and all that, but I still I feel like, now,
even if he's three peats, I will still feel like
not quite because seven. Here's the thing about seven. Seven

(06:38):
is more than any franchise, any franchise has ever won.
So but Mahomes, I think it'll only take five. And
here's why I think he doesn't need seven, because he
has been more dominant individually than Tom Brady. Look, Brady
deserve a lot of people don't want to credit him

(06:59):
as much for his first three Super Bowls because the
defense was so big and he just wasn't quite the
superstar yet that he would become. But here's what I say,
to that mark. You do have to give it major
credit for those Super Bowls because remember, and I said
a lot, but it's the truth. New England under Bill

(07:23):
Belichick was five and eleven before the year before Brady
took over, they were zero and two with Drew Bledsoe
as the quarterback who was a Pro bowler, one hundred
million dollar man, the first hundred million dollar man in
the league, and Nate still couldn't win. And Brady steps
in and they immediately take off. They win eleven of

(07:48):
what their last fourteen games, and they win the Super Bowl.
I mean, a team that was darned near basically left
for dead and he turned him around. So his leadership,
his intangibles, his smart says a quarterback, all of that
stuff came into play. But he still was not putting
up huge numbers. Well see now, he did lead the

(08:11):
league in touchdowns his second year as a starter, but
they didn't even make the playoffs that year. I don't believe,
but I think Mahomes Mahomes is off to the best
start of any quarterback in history. Well, also to Chris,
the eye test, it's the eye test that I mean.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
I'm not saying that Brady does not pass the eye
test by no stretches of the imagination. But when you
look at what Mahomes does, the way he moves around,
he's one of the first guys to really maximize scrambling
to make a deeper pass, looking at some of the
underhand passes, behind the back passes, you know, some of
the things that we've seen, Like there's only been one
guy at Chris and I know that there's been obviously

(08:47):
more in history, but I'll talk about just strictly Martin
Wis's brain.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
There's only been one guy.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
When I watched that Tampa Bay super Bowl where he lost,
I said, he threw two of the most impressive incompletions
I've ever seen, right, And it's partly because of the
way he's spent around, laying parallel to the ground, And
it was just hard to fault guys like de Marcus
Robinson who dropped one in the back corner of the
end zone, because most of the time, after six.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Seconds, the play's over with, right, Like most.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Of the time after six seconds you're not supposed to
still be running routes doing scramble drill as a wide receiver.
He kind of pulled up and That's why it didn't
end up being a touchdown in that end zone when
he had when Patrick Mahomes had no left tackles to
speak of against that Tampa Bay defense.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Right, well, let me throw this at you because you
alluded to it. The fact that Brady in their head
to hand matchups, the ones that meant something, the Super
Bowl and the AFC Championship, when Mahomes first year is
a starter, Brady got the best of him. Brady beat
him in the Super Bowl, Brady beat him in the

(09:46):
AFC Championship in his forties. So how much now I
get If you watch the games, you'll say Brady was
still great, James was not. I'm noting Brady in his
first year, second year, our first few years. But as
time goes on and people get away from having seen

(10:07):
the game live and all that, what they're gonna say is,
wait a minute, Brady was in his forties, He clearly
wasn't at his best, and he still beat Mahomes. How
much of a factor is that for you? Because I
think that's gonna be a huge thing for the Brady crowd.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
It'll be that conversation I'll be Ultimately they win three
to four in a row.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
That conversation stops four in a row, but corner row
would give him five total and a four peat. I mean,
it's over, it'd be over.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
But so if in fact it ends the way you're talking,
I do think that if that's case in Brady probably
should shin d Ford an ellible arrangement and tell him
thanks a lot for lining up off sides on that
third down, because we were off the field and the
Chiefs would have won that game and it would have
been remembered more if it hadn't been for just earlier
on that day at the NFC Championship Game, the worst
non call in the NFL history that went so poorly

(10:58):
that they had ended up reviewing pass interference for an
entire season. I think that's really what it boils down
to to me. I know you're right in that, you
know people are just going to point to the results
of those games, But I ultimately think that over the
next three or three to four years, Patrick Mahomes is
gonna win enough Super Bowl to with the result of
that individual game, and even the Super Bowl that he
lost to Brady is going to be deemed irrelevant because

(11:20):
of the success he has going forward in his career.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, I mean, I look, and I think I was
the first. I don't know. I can't state that for
a fact. But his first year as a starter, when
he had the fifty touchdowns, won the MVP. I said,
he's Jordan esque and boy, oh boy, Now he's won
earlier than Michael Jordan won. But he really is is

(11:44):
doing jordan Esque type things in the NFL. I mean,
how many quarterbacks Lamar, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen and we'll see.
I think guys will win a Super Bowl. Mahomes can't
win it every year, but he he is keeping everyone
from eating you know. And Jordan, we can't get past

(12:07):
this dude. We can't get a championship because he's there.
And so yeah, I agree with you. I think he
will be the goat when it's all said and done,
but I can't give it to him right now.

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Speaker 5 (13:28):
Chris Man? How are you brother? Always good to talk
to you?

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Absolutely, my man. We got Martin Weiss in for Rob Parkers,
so you don't have to deal with Rob tonight. So
that's that's something good.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
To deal with, right.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
That's right. Let's start here, Trey. We were talking about,
and congratulations on your show, that's great, But we were
talking about the ESPN poll where they recently, you know,
talked to about one hundred NFL players about the quarterbacks, mostrated, underrated,
so on and so forth, and Patrick Mahomes they asked

(14:04):
them about who's the goat. Now, we didn't get a
lot of votes. He got seven. Obviously Tom Brady got
the line's year eighty five of them. But where are
you like if Patrick Mahomes three peats and obviously the
Chiefs have a legitimate shot at becoming the first team
to win three straight Super Bowls? Does that change your

(14:26):
thinking on this or how do you think it'll change
the public's thinking on the goat conversation?

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Well, first of all, I have been all in on
Patrick Mahomes and since they drafted them in twenty seventeen,
Like just to give you an idea, right, Aaron Rodgers
starting career with the Green Bay Packers started in two
thousand and eight. Patrick mahomes the starting career with the
Kancity Chiefs started in twenty eighteen. Since two and eighty

(14:52):
under Aaron Rodgers, the Green Bay Packers won twelve playoff
games and lost ten. Since twenty eighteen, the Kansas City
Chief with Patrick Mahomes have won fifteen playoff games and
lost three. So to me, this guy is like he
may never get seven. And I understand if that you're

(15:13):
all know, I'll be all and all things. But this
guy can do things that Tom Brady could never dream
about doing. And that's just the fact he's just he's
more gifted athletically. Now, you know, as he gets a
little older and some of that stuff goes away, he's
gonna have to learn to work more from the pocket
and all those kind of things. But this guy is

(15:35):
on track, in my opinion, to be the greatest player
in the history of the NFL. And I think, should
they win a third straight Super Bowl, which I believe
they are more equipped to do than any team in
NFL history, I think that flips the thing. Like, for example,
in the Super Bowl era, there are only three quarterbacks

(15:57):
that can claim multiple Suit Bowl MVPs and multiple regular
season MVPs. Tom Brady has three regular season MVPs, five
Super Bowl MVPs, and twenty two seasons as a starter.
Joe Montana has two regular season MVPs and three Super
Bowl MVPs. And sixteen seasons as a starter. Patrick Mahomes

(16:18):
has two regular season MVPs and three Super Bowl MVPs
in six seasons as a starter. Okay, Like this is
on a case that we've never seen before. They won
the Super Bowl last year with the worst team he's
ever had around him. They go into this season with
arguably the best team they've ever had around and I

(16:41):
think they're gonna pull it off. So yeah, I think
if he becomes the first to three peat, I think
it will flip the discussion on the public front forever.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Wow, Trey, when I saw when Rob de said this
notification of your show, they're doing pregames before Monday and
Thursday night, and congratulations on that. But I don't know,
maybe it's a little bit of me having like the
got to look at the road kill mentality. But I immediately
went to the schedules, like, are which one of these
is the worst matchups?

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Right?

Speaker 4 (17:09):
And I squared I squared at Week twelve Thursday Night
between the Browns and the Steelers and then maybe Week
eight Monday Night between the Steelers and the Giants. But
the thing I noticed between the two of them, the
Steelers bookend either side of this thing, and Mike Tomlin
just named Russell Wilson quarterback one. Do you think that
he'll still be quarterback one by the time these games

(17:29):
are played or what's your overall take on the Steelers
quarterback battle.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Yeah, Martin, that's a great question, and I don't believe
he will be like the way I stuld the best
way I can describe it is Mike Tomlin has never
had a losing season, And then people have really weird
thoughts on that, like, oh, who cares or whatever. No,
Bill Belichick has had losing seasons, George Hallis, Tom Landry,

(17:53):
Andrey Reed, Andy Reed, you name all the greatest Don Shuler,
you name all the greatest coaches in NFL history, They've
all had losing seasons. Mike Tomlin has never He didn't
have a losing season when he had to start Duck frickin'
Hodges at quarterback for a stretching games. Okay, this guy's
a hell of a coach. So I was really surprised

(18:14):
that they went with Russell Wilson because you got both
these guys basically on a one year deal and cheap,
because Justin Justin is on a rookie contract, and Russell's
on a contract where the Broncoars are paying the Steelers
thirty seven million dollars to start Russell Wilson. So I'm

(18:35):
the Steelers. It makes all the sense in the world
to invest in a guy ten years younger than Russell
Wilson in Justin Fields. You know, people have these weird
comments about Justin Fields. Look if Justin Fields walked into
the Bears situation in the same way that Caleb Williams

(18:59):
is walking into the Bear situation, Justin Fields will soon
be the starting quarterback for the Bears. When he was
drafted in twenty twenty one, the two best weapons on
offense for the Bears were Vellis Jones and Darnell Mooney.
Caleb Williams walks in with Cole Comet Beyondrey Swift at
running back DJ Moore, they trade for Keenan Allen, They've

(19:20):
upgraded their offensive line, and the Bears defense is a
top ten defense. Justin Fields walked in with those two
weapons and the worst defense statistically three the Bears franchise.
And this is where it's very important to let people know.
As long as there's been an NFL, there's been a
Bears team. That's how bad that defense was that Justin

(19:41):
Fields walked into. So I would automatically put everything behind
trying to develop a player who was a decade younger
than Russell Wilson with weapons that you have on offense
and obviously you have a defense that can make plays
with TJ. Why didn't because Fitzpatrick and everybody else. So

(20:03):
I was surprised that Mike went with Russell Wilson.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Well, let's talk about the guy that replaced Justin Fields
in Chicago, and that, of course is Caleb Williams, who
is compared you know, more than to anybody else, I
guess to Patrick Mahomes. We see him make some of
the off schedule stuff that Mahomes does. But the expectations,
I mean, there are people that think he's gonna lead
the Bears to the Super Bowl, which no rookie in

(20:29):
the history of the league has ever done. So do
you think I look, I think, tell me what you
think about Caleb's future. I think it's bright, but I
do think these expectations are too high. How do you
think the expectations will factor and affect him and that
team this year?

Speaker 5 (20:48):
Well, what's interesting, right, Like Caleb had this unbelievable run
in a preseason game where people were freaking out. I
saw Justin Fields do that week one last year against
the forty nine ers. Okay, so every pump the breaks.
Like the thing I need to say about preseason games,
a preseason game is the same thing as an NFL game,
and the same way a tofu burger is the same
as a wig You beat burger. You what, they couldn't

(21:11):
be that, but they couldn't be more different. So everybody
pumps the brakes. Now that being said, I believe Caleb
Williams is walking into the best situation I've ever seen
a rookie quarterback taken number one overall in the draft
walk into. As we mentioned Cole Kmet, DJ Moore, keenan
All and DeAndre Swift good defense. Like like, if Caleb

(21:33):
Williams fails, it's not on the Bears, it's on Caleb Williams.
And we all need to understand that we have these
thoughts about these things, but it's a slippery slope. Like
in twenty twenty one, there's not a single person that
would have said you shouldn't take Trevor Lawrence as the
number one overall pickers Okay, I'll give Trevor a pass

(21:53):
for twenty twenty one because urban Meyer wasn't a coach,
and urban Meyer will go down in history as the
worst head coach in the history of the NFL. I
will die on that hill. He was terrible. He didn't
know what the hell he was doing. I've never seen
the coach leave his team behind. So you guys go home.
I'm going to stay here. Never happened at the high
school level. At the college level, like it never happens. Okay,

(22:17):
I'll give him a pass on that. Trevor played well
in twenty twenty two and they came back from twenty
seven down to beat the Chargers. He regressed massively last year, Okay.
Over the last three years, he's had twenty one fumbles
That is more than any other quarterback by at least six.
He's one in eighteen when his defense doesn't get a turnover,

(22:41):
and he had more interceptions last season with a better
team around him in fewer games played. So I still
believe Trevor Lawrence can be good. The point I'm making
here is everyone would have said absolutely see Trevor Lawrence
number one in twenty twenty one, much in the same
way everyone says, you take Taylor Williams number one overall

(23:01):
in twenty twenty four. But I take a zen philosopher
approach to all of this, which is, we'll see. Like
everybody told me last year, Anthony Richardson was the most physical, strongest,
fastest athletic quarterback we've ever seen. Dude could not finish
a game. He couldn't finish a game. So I am Look,
I spent six years in Saint Louis before I got

(23:23):
the ESPN. Missouri's to show me. State. You've got to
show me before I'm buying in on any of this.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Wise words from Trey Wingo trade great stuff again. Check
him out on the new Draft Teams Network NFL show
is called the Pregame Power Up and Trey Man, thanks
for joining us and good luck with the show. We
can't wait to tune in.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
Chris, It's gonna be great. We appreciate you and Martin
good to talk to you. Whatever you guys need me.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Just let me know, guys and trade. This is just
for you, Lebron. I know you love when.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
I say Lebron, don't call me daddy on the court.
There you go.

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Speaker 3 (24:17):
Martin, Let's go to a little hoop basketball and Drew Holliday,
who of course played a significant role starter for the
most part with Team USA as they won gold this year.
They they they wanted by the hair on their chinny
chin chin, but they did win gold in the Olympics,
saving a massive disaster as far as basketball is concerned.

(24:43):
But Drew today was asked if that Olympic gold medal
meant more than his NBA championships. Now I remember you
asked too. He's got one with Milwaukee and Giannis's only
ring and then goes to Boston. Traded to Boston when
the Bucks thought they were upgrading by getting Damian Lillard,

(25:06):
and all Drew does has helped Boston win a championship.
It's first since two thousand and eight. Here's Drew on that.

Speaker 7 (25:14):
The medal affairs was cool. It was obviously nixt France,
so it was kind of like that literally Us against
the world, but winning here was a baby. I'm not
sure get the top STEP's member there went here in
Boston came five and I'm in the crowd the shot
think it, I mean, it was just Also that was amazing.

(25:38):
The praisers im crazy too, so I can't. I don't know,
I feel like I'm stilling the high though everything.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Going on sound wasn't great. But he basically said, no,
the ring with the Celtics NBA championship meant more than
winning that Olympic gold medal. Now you contrast that with
what Carmelo said. Rob g was about two weeks ago
Carmelo Anthony and he said, correct me if I'm wrong,

(26:04):
he would not trade any of his what four gold
medals for one NBA championship before an NBA championship?

Speaker 5 (26:13):
Was that?

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Was that the gist of what he said. That is correct,
And I really like mellow Martin. I well, let me.
I was gonna say, I don't believe him, and I
really don't believe him, right, But I also think right

(26:37):
now where he's at and what with his basketball career
ending the way it did and without a ring, I
do think he probably is of the mentality of you
know what, I got something? Nope, does anybody else have
four reasons? Durrant I think right, has four goals medals.

(26:57):
But for Melo, like that's claim the fame. It really
is that he won four Olympic gold medals and he
was the leading scorer and rebounder for a while. Now
I think he might be second in both, but like
that's what he can point to. So I think he's

(27:18):
going to rise, you know, try to push up the
level of these Olympic gold medals and what they mean.
And look, I'm not the Olympics. Are the Olympics, right,
that's the world competition. The world stage is fantastic. And
for track stars, for other people in other events, swimmers

(27:40):
and all that, it's the ultimate. For American basketball players,
stop it.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
It.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
I mean, you better win.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
Now.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
It's gonna change in twenty twenty eight when we probably
won't win. Saying but up recently, up until this year,
because this will probably be the final year at least
that we know we're gonna win, you better win. You
are on a stacked team with Hall of famers galore,

(28:16):
playing against teams that at best got five NBA players
and most of them aren't even stars. Serbia had what three,
two or three NBA players one star and they almost
beat you. So My point is this, winning those Olympic
gold medals is you supposed to Your team is stacked,

(28:44):
it's much more talented than any competition you're facing. So
Drew Holliday is absolutely right that an NBA championship for
an American basketball player means much more than winning an
Olympic gold medal. Now, if Serbia had beaten or even

(29:06):
France had beaten America this year, I kind of get
if Joker would have been like, you know what, this
takes the cake. I love the championship with Denver, but
this is the ultimate because he was representing his not
only his country. Obviously the American players are as well,

(29:26):
but he would have really overcome something. You would have
really climbed the mountain. If you're Serbia and you're nicolea
Jokic and you lead that cast of solid but not
great players to victory over Lebron, Steph KD, Jason Tatum,

(29:47):
so on and so forth. I would get that. Or
Luca with Slovenia, or Yannis with you know, with with Greece,
or or even when Banyama with France. But America, I
don't want to hear it, because honestly, man y'all got
it easy. And I know these games have been tough,

(30:09):
but they shouldn't be because quickly, this last thing what
sometimes people don't understand because we've talked about the international
rise and how they've really at least the ultimate best
players in the league right now are for international players.
But it's not like they're all playing together in the Olympics.

(30:29):
You're not facing an international dream team in the Olympics.
You're facing countries that are much smaller than the United States,
that have far fewer NBA players on their teams, and
you're still struggling with them. I'm done. Yeah, struggling.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Struggling to me is a term I would not use
to qualify what happened in the actual tournament.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Really, yeah, France, they didnt struggle with France or with Serbia.
I wouldn't say not. And it's a they were down
thirteen heading into the fourth quarter against Serby. That's not struggling.
They won the game by double digits. Chris, Like, I
don't know, Like, I'm sorry, they won the game by
double digits. I get that they eat hold on. You
really gonna sit here and this isn't the argument, but

(31:15):
you really gonna say they didn't struggle with Surbrey, and
did they win that last game by double figures? I
thought they did. But either way, I'm not trying to
be I mean, they down, they were down seventeen, all right.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
But to get to the point of what we're talking about,
I think that if I'm Drew Holliday, then absolutely my
NBA titles, especially the one I just got, means more
than my Olympic gold medal did, in part because when
I'm playing, like all season last year, we were I mean,
I was one of them most guilty of it. We're

(31:48):
all talking about how the Boston Celtics have X Y Z,
and then you know they have all of this, the
Des Tatum doing it, Jalen Brown doing that, they lead
the league of three pointers made, but Joe Mazzul but
but but but but we got to see it in
the playoffs, and then they have one of the most
dominating Eastern Conference performances that we've seen up until the finals,

(32:09):
and people are like, well, they walked through the East
right now, I ended up getting a race essentially because
they also walked through the Mavericks. But if I'm Drew Holliday,
hearing all the naysayers for a quarter of a year
as I'm progressing through that eighty two game regular season
and then a twenty or so game postseason.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, it would fire me up. But if I'm Carmelo.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Anthony, like Carmelo Anthony is still without a title, without
an NBA title to his name, to me, still one
of the best to ever play the game, right. I
don't know if you know you want to rank them
all time, but when I watched him, when I watched
him play, watch his whole career from high school to retirement,
and there was very few guys who could fill a
bucket up like Carmelo did, whether it be in the NBA,

(32:51):
the Olympics, or so on, I would be I would
It would make me sad, honestly, as a fan of
the game, to know that Carmelo Anthony was not content
with how his career turned out, like he could have
made different moves that would have prioritized winning over money.
And so I'm not here to relitigate his career. But still,
you wanted the best to ever play the game. It

(33:13):
made ungodly amounts of money playing the game. You can't
look at your career like a failure. In my opinion,
if you're called my Lo Anthony.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
He shouldn't. He shouldn't, it shouldn't. I think that's where
he comes from with this fantastic career. I think this
is where this comes from. Though it's like no, no, no,
I got my gold medals.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
I wouldn't trade him for an NBA title because look
at all this stuff I was able to do in
the NBA.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
If he was sitting back saying I.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Had traded all four for just one chance at a title,
it would honestly make me sad, be like, damn, he's
really not like to be to reach that level of
heightened pinnacle and to still feel like you left something
on the table, which I mean he did in terms
of a championship, But you shouldn't feel like you're less,
like your career was less than because of it.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
But do you agree with me that he's just kind
of saying that. I agree with It's like a defense mechanism.
You have to lift up the value of the gold
medals because you that's all you really have as far
as championships are concerned, right, So I think that's why

(34:19):
he's doing it. But in reality, I look, can you
imagine if Carmelo had a championship, how different his legacy
would be. And it's great already he is. Melo was
top Melo was top seventy five. He's going to be
a first ballot Hall of Famer. But if he had

(34:39):
won a championship, he would be in, you know, held
in even higher esteem. And by the way, Martin, I
don't know where you got double figures from. We beat
Serbia bout four. All right, we beat We pummeled him
in the first two times we played them, but we
beat them by four when it counted.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
I just never thought that any of those games were
truly in question, Like, I never we beat them by four.
I hear what you're saying. What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (35:04):
When I'm watching them? So, Dan, we were down with
ten seconds left.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Today was an exhibition game, okay, but still I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
And the tournament. I mean, entering the fourth quarter, you
didn't think they had a chance.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
It's within eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. I said, oh,
they're slipping. That said, oh, they're France is slipping. France
is not gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Oh I was talking about Serbia. But yeah, I mean,
look those were tight games. Those were tight games, But
an Olympic gold medal, just because you have such an
advantage of talent, it doesn't mean the same for the
Olympic for the American teams. I'm sorry now, I think
going forward it'll be huge because we it is a

(35:49):
great chance we don't win it in twenty twenty eight,
and if we do win, we won't enter as a
team where it's just viewed as a foregone conclusion. Lebrown
will be gone, Steph made you would think, I think
you're looking at Lebron, They'll be watching. You would think
they'll be done right, And so it's not a guarantee

(36:10):
with these other guys. But yeah, Drew Holliday's absolutely right.
The NBA Championship means more because because a lot of times, Martin,
the level of I don't want to say satisfaction, but
contentment or just the great feeling you get from an
achievement is a lot of times related to the challenge

(36:35):
that you had to overcome. And I think the Boston
Celtics overcame a much bigger challenge by winning the NBA title.
Same thing for Milwaukee when he won it, and I
think it was twenty twenty one uh than the US
team did in winning goal at the Olympics. Helay a
big role, Yeah, yeah he was. He had a legitimate

(36:59):
role on team, you say, but yeah, definitely a bigger
role with Milwaukee and Boston.
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