August 28, 2024 • 38 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Rob, and he and Chris tell us if a Super Bowl 3-peat would cement Patrick Mahomes as the GOAT over Tom Brady and explain why the hold-ins by guys like Ja’Marr Chase and Brandon Aiyuk are more detrimental to the team than a hold-out was by CeeDee Lamb. Plus, The Athletic senior writer Mike Sando swings by to discuss the fallout from his annual QB Tiers for the 2024 NFL season.
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But let me welcome in my co host.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Now.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Look, the last two days I was with the other
half of the Martin and Vjshow, which you can hear
on here on Fox Sports Radio every Saturday from at
five pm Pacific. They've been called diet couple, odd couple light.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Look, they've been called that by many people. None of
them were ever Martin.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
But now that eyd couple zero, I'll say one of
my favorites. But yes, me j Husky has been here
the last two days and now it is Martin Weiss.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
What's up, man, Chris.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
The thing that used to bother me about the odd
couple light or the you know whatever, it would be
the diet eyed couple. It's like, well, for something like
that that the odd couple would have to go away.
I don't want to be the new odd couple because
I mean the odd couple would be no longer, would
ceased to exist.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Well, you could be odd Couple zero, just like they
have coke Coke zero original coke Cherry Coke all that.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, I wasn't co exist.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I didn't want this room for both.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I didn't. I wanted to be my own man, blaze
my own trail.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I ain't mad at you.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
I ain't mad at you, So that's all good. But yeah, man,
we welcome you today. We're excited about having you and
lots to get into. So let's get it started. We
got the al couple crew. You just heard the superdu
Well maybe you haven't, but the super producer Rob g
is here.
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In the house. On the Update, you just heard him,
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All right, Martin, you brought this up. You did trolling
a roll in last night.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I did.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
And one of your topics was or questions was about
the ESPN.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Poll of players.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
It was one hundred players, one hundred and three players
belie types of questions about quarterbacks, most underrated, most overrated,
so on and so forth. And one of the questions
they were asked is who's the goat the greatest quarterback
of all time? Eighty five of the respondents said Tom Brady.
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A few said someone else. They didn't tell us who.
That makes me think maybe they were jokes. You know
that they gods through in all types of crazy names.
But seven said Patrick Mahomes, And one player, anonymously, of course,
said if Mahomes wins his third straight and becomes the
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first quarterback ever to win three straight Super Bowls and
the first team, of course would be the Chiefs, then
that changes everything.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
So I want to ask you.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Martin Weiss, where are you right now on the goat
conversation in the NFL, and tell.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Me where you've got Mahomes ranked.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
And what would it take for him to become the
go Will A three peak do it? Because obviously they're
on the cusp, they have a great chance.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I think they're better on paper than they were last year.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Even though they lost lagerious snead, they got some they
I think they strengthen their receiving corps, which will be big.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
They're definitely better on offense on paper than they were
last year, There's no doubt.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Ibly not on defense.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
But the thing about the defense is it was a
It had a lot of young players. So those young
players that remain should get better. So that's kind of
what I mean there, But go ahead and share what
your thoughts are on the goat and where Mahomes ranks
and what you think he needs to do to surpass Brady.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So I think when we're looking at who's the goat,
the goat, right, the greatest of all time, there's a
ton of two avenues. Look at it. One accomplishments, the
other one being ability.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think when you look at and I think obviously
the combination of those two really makes your goat argument unassailable.
When you look at a guy like Tom Brady, he's
got all the accolades in the world and on top
of that, won a ton of games, right, But when
you look at a guy like Patrick Mahomes, he's got
a lot of the same accolades. But if he gets
this three peat, in my opinion, there's gonna be the
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prevailing sentiment. There will be a very, very loud minority,
and one that grows exponentially at the end of the
season if they end up pulling off a three pet
in the Kansas City Chiefs, the huge.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I agree, I big like that pole next year, and
we talked about it last night, it'll be close to half,
if not half, or maybe more than half to say.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Mahomes is the gu Yeah, I think if you pull
off that three feet you're probably looking at it close
to a sixty forty split between voters, sixty of them
being Tom, forty of them being Mahomes, with Mahomes being
under thirty. Still, right, so you'd have to think eventually
Patrick Mahomes is going to end up taking that title.
Right now, I would actually probably still have him behind
Joe Montana in terms of accolades, right, in terms of
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the straight accolades. But I'll look at ability. To me,
just Patrick Mahomes is up there with some of the best,
the most talented people have ever seen it throw a
football in terms of they're just football ability. I mean
Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, that's in that class. But when
you're talking about greatest of all time, you also have
to combine that with winning, right, That's what changes you
from just being you know, a guy who's got great armtown.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
You have all the ability in the world if you
don't win exact accomplishments I mean Aaron Rodgers is I mean,
until Mahomes came along, you could argue he.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Was the best we've ever seen throw the football.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Obviously, Dan Marino a lot of people still say he's
the best pass they've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Marino never won a super Bowl. He's not in the conversation.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Aaron Rodgers one super Bowl win and one Super Bowl appearance,
he's not in the conversation, right all right, So I
it's Brady right now.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
But you hear me I say, and I've said this
for a long time. Patrick Mahomes is.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
The best quarterback I've ever seen. He is the best
quarterback I've ever seen. But he is not the goat.
You do have to have the accomplishments. It's almost like
hip hop. You can have a guy that's an incredible
lyricist and a great rapper, but he doesn't make great songs, right.
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I mean, they're guys like that. The beats aren't that tight,
the hook isn't right, whatever it might be that, but
they're incredible wordsmith.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Like sonic in terms of the lyrics, in terms of everything.
For whatever reason, just doesn't resonate in the same way, right, right.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
And so you do you to be the goat rapper.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
In the conversation, you gotta make hits, all right, and
the same thing with this. You have to win championships,
you have to have accolades.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
So it's Brady.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
But I do have Mahomes as number two ahead of Montana.
I got Montana three. But I look, I have always said, Martin,
it's not gonna take seven for Mahomes to become the goat.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
If this time, this time next year, if in fact
the Kenz Chiefs pulled this off, there will be people
shouting from the rooftops that Patrick Mahomes is the greatest
of all time. And then when you ask, well what
did he why over Brady, They're gonna be like, well,
when did Brady ever win three in a row?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
And there, Yeah, Look, I think I've always said he
needs to win five, and I feel like, you know,
we'll see if he wins this championship, you know how
it happens and all that.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
But I still I feel like, now.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Even if he's three peats, I will still feel like
not quite because seven.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Here's the thing about seven.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Seven is more than any franchise, any franchise has ever won.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
So but Mahomes, I think it'll only take five.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
And here's why I think he doesn't need seven because
he has been more dominant individually than Tom Brady. Look,
Brady deserve a lot of people don't want to credit
him as much for his first three Super Bowls because
the defense was so big and he just wasn't quite
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the superstar yet that he would become.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
But here's what I say to that, Mark, you do
have to give it major credit.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
For those Super Bowls because remember, and I said a lot,
but it's the truth.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
New England under Bill.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Belichick was five and eleven before the year before Brady
took over, they were zero and two with Drew Bledsoe
as the quarterback, who was a Pro bowler, one hundred
million dollar man, the first hundred million dollar man in
the league, and Nate still couldn't win.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
And Brady steps in and they immediately take off.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
They win eleven of what their last fourteen games, and
they win the Super Bowl. I mean a team that
was darned near basically left for dead, and he.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Turned him around.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
So his leadership, intangibles, his smart says a quarterback, all
of that stuff came into play.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
But he still was not putting up huge numbers.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Well see now, he did lead the league in touchdowns
his second year as a starter, but they they didn't
even make the playoffs that year.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I don't believe, but I think Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Mahomes is off to the best start of any quarterback
in history.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Well also to Chris. The eye test, it's the eye
test that I mean. I'm not saying that Brady does
not pass the eye test by no stretch of the imagination.
But when you look at what Mahomes does, the way
he moves around, he's one of the first guys to
really maximize scrambling to make a deeper pass. Looking at
some of the underhand passes, behind the back passes, you know,
some of the things that we've seen, like there's only
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been one guy at Chris and I know that there's
been obviously more in history, but I'll talk about just
strictly Martin Wis's brain. There's only been one guy. When
I watched that Tampa Bay super Bowl where he lost,
I said, he threw two of the most impressive incompletions
I've ever seen, right, And it's partly because of the
way he's spinning a laying parallel to the ground, and
it was just hard to fault Guys like the Marcus
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Robinson who dropped one in the back corner of the
end zone because most of the time after six seconds,
the play's over with, right, Like, most of the time
after six seconds, you're not supposed to still be running
routes doing scramble drill as a wide receiver. And he
had kind of pulled up and that's why it didn't
end up being a touchdown in that end zone when
he had when Patrick Mahomes had no left hackles to
speak of against that Tampa Bay defense.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Right, well, let me throw this at you because you
alluded to it. The fact that Brady in their head
to hand matchups.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
The ones that meant something, the Super Bowl and the AFC.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Championship, when Mahomes first year is a starter, Brady got
the best of him. Brady beat him in the Super Bowl,
Brady beat him in the AFC Championship.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
In his forties.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
So how much now I get If you watch the games,
you'll say Brady was still.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Great, James was not. I'm not going Brady in his
first year, second year, our first few years.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
But as time goes on and people get away from
having seen the game live and all that, what they're
gonna say is, wait a minute, Brady was in his forties,
he clearly wasn't at his best, and he still beat Mahomes.
How much of a factor is that for you, because
I think that's gonna be a huge thing for the
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Brady crowd.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
It'll be that conversation. I'll be ultimately they win three
to four in a row, that conversation stops four in
a row.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
But Carder Row would give him five total and a
four peat. I mean, it's over, it'd be over.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
But so if in fact it ends the way you're talking,
I do think that if that's case in Brady probably
should send d Ford an ellible arrangement and tell him
thanks a lot for lining up off sides on that
third down because we were off the field and the
Chiefs would have won that game and it would have
been remembered more if it hadn't been for just earlier
on that day at the NFC Championship Game, the worst
non call in the NFL history that went so poorly
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that they had ended up reviewing past interference for an
entire season. I think that's that's really what it boils
down to to me. I know you're right in that,
you know people are just gonna point to the results
of those games. But I ultimately think that over the
next three or three to four years, Patrick Mahomes is
gonna win enough Super Bowls to were the result of
that individual game, and even the Super Bowl that he
lost to Brady is going to be deemed irrelevant because
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of the success he has going forward in his career.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Yeah, I mean, I look and I think I was
the first. I don't know, I can't state that for
a fact, but his first years a starter, when he
had the fifty touchdowns, won the MVP, I said he's
jordan esque and boy oh boy, now he's won earlier
than Michael Jordan one, but he really is is doing
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jordan Esque type things in the NFL. I mean, how
many quarterbacks Lamar, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen and we'll see.
I think guys will win a Super Bowl. Mahomes can't
win it every year.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
But he is keeping everyone from eating, you know, and
that's Ale Jordan's man.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
We can't get past this dude. We can't get a
championship because he's there.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And so, yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I think he will be the goat when it's all
said and done. But I can't give it to him
right now A seven seven ninety nine on Fox A
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some people your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
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Speaker 4 (17:49):
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Speaker 9 (18:24):
As far as with.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
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You guys mean wants me.
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I swear to God like you. You may not think it,
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Speaker 3 (18:42):
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Speaker 9 (18:45):
Mahomes and Brady. Even if he wins three in a row,
he can hold that over Tom's Ted. Tom's beat him
in the biggest game, Huge. The way that it goes about,
I think that he would need two more he's got
at least time. If he does that, maybe one less.
With all of his accolade, with the MVPs and things
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like that, he gets through and he's the goat of
all time. Love the show. We'll always listen, We'll still
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Speaker 5 (19:18):
Thank you man, thank you. So he's saying, U Martin
that he has to win six.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, he was saying, yeah, I think that's that's a
little bit too much. Let's let's go get another call
in real quick, and h I'll give you my thoughts
on the odd couple at the end of the show.
But Stanley and Maryland, you're on the odd couple right now.
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Speaker 10 (19:40):
How are you guys doing today?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Doing well? How are you?
Speaker 6 (19:43):
How are you all good?
Speaker 10 (19:45):
All good? I appreciate the call, and basically I wanted
to say that I don't even think this should be
a question because right from the beginning, I'm gonna say this,
when you had how can you add a person to
the goat conversation when that resume is tainted with the
cheek gate. That's number one, and then on number two,
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Mahomes if you watch it and yo, you guys do it.
I do it as well. My cousin, Tory Tory Smith's
he does too. Now, all of mahomes unorthodox passes are accurate,
like most of them anyway, and you never see that
out of Tom. Now I understand Tom beat him in
the super Bowl, okay, but it goes back to the
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beginning and be chime rewine like Buckbuster, how can you
put a person in the goat conversation when they have
all these cheak gates and then on top of that
you cheat it. Gspired on the Browns at the time,
that was no threat to nobody, and I'm gonna leave
with that.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah, I mean those are his teams.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Obviously, that was you know, the spygate was on Belichick
to the Flake. I do think Brady knew something about
the flaygate. They got the balls fixed and they kept rolling.
So I'm not I mean, I am not alone and
really not even factor and in that stuff. Just about
everybody in football thinks he's the goat.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
But that's your perspective.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
But Mahomes, like I said, you gotta accomplish a good amount.
You can't just say Mahomes looks better and let me
throw this last thing out. It is easier to play
quarterback today, sure, and I'm not just talking about compared
to the seventies and eighties. If you look at Tom
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Brady's career, his numbers in his forties dwarf, I shouldn't
say dwarf, but are as good and in some cases
better than in his thirties. It's not because I know
he was a smarter quarterback at that point, but I
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think that's because you get protected more. That defense can't
hit you like they could earlier in his career. The
receivers can get hit like they could earlier in his career.
So the fact that in his forties he was putting
up five over five thousand yards one year, close to
five thousand yards in other years, and a bunch of
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touchdowns forty two forty touchdown seasons. He only had one
forty touchdown season in his entire career before he turned forty,
And so that does show you it's a little easier
to play quarterback today and put up big numbers. All right,
we got our man, Mike Sando coming up.
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Mike Sando. Mike, how are you.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I'm doing great, glad to be here.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Thanks glad to have you, and thanks for joining us again.
You kind of seem to do it every year and
we love it right around when you put out your
NFL quarterback tiers and of course you talk to fifty
people around the league, scouts, coaches, gms, that sort of thing,
and you do your tiers. And this is a serious
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question because the first tier had Mahomes, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
And Josh Allen on it.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Was there any consideration of having Mahomes on a tier
by himself because he really I believe and so do
a lot of other people, that he really is on
the level all unto himself, he is.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
That was one of the quotes I put in there
from one of the voters was like, Hey, can we
have a Tier zero for this guy? Because he is different,
And I think he's different in history because if you
look at the twenty nineteen and twenty twenty two Chiefs
teams that won the Super Bowl, he did not have
good defenses. And there's quarterbacks that are good enough have
winning records without good defense, but you rarely are going
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to win it all. And if you look at the
history of the game in the seventies, Terry Brads, Roger Staubach,
these guys had great defense. Joe Montana played for the
forty nine Ers stack defense led the league in scoring
during the eighties scoring defense, and you go all the
way through to Tom Brady. You know they all had
good defenses to do this. And so last year he
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finally had a good defense and was able to will
him through with a kind of a weak offensive supporting cast.
But he's doing it in ways that even the all
time greats don't do it. That's why Breeze and Rogers,
these guys won Super Bowl because it's hard to win
it all win your defense and special teams or whatever
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aren't at least good. And so that's to me, what
separates from not just from Burrow and Allen and Lamar
and all these other guys that are super high in
this poll. It's like separating from the all time greats.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Let me follow that up before we get back to
the poll. Do you think if Mahomes is able to
three peat? I assume you have Brady as the goat.
Do you think of Mahomes three peats that that'll change
a lot of people's opinion on the goat argument already?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
And would he change your opinion?
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Well? I think what it does is, lets you project
that Mahomes will be the goat easier. It's hard to
to me, it's hard to do better than six championships
and then go win another one with a different team
right away. You know that is that is a body
of work. But I think you could say in the past,
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this Mahomes guy, he looks like he could do it,
he looks like he could become it. I think you
start getting confident he's going to do it if you
get three in a row at this point and it
would be his fourth one, you know, so, I mean
you still put him side by side, and you know
the Brady body of work is what it is, but
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I think you're saying, wow, this guy.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Or is he going to win?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Does he need to play twenty years to do it?
You know, he may get it in twelve years.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Right, Mike, Mike. I want to ask you Martin Wise here.
I want to ask you about Jordan Love. Is he
How many players outside of Jordan Love got votes for
both Tier one and Tier three And what was kind
of the I want to know if he's an outlier,
if that's something that happens kind of commonly. Where did
people kind of come down on him? I see he's
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in Tier two, but like just in some of the
conversations because to me, he's the biggest, one of the
biggest unknowns in the NFL, and it seems like a
lot of people have locked him in as a top
ten quarterback.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yeah, so nobody lower than him got a Tier one vote.
He's the lowest guy you get a Tier one. There
are some guys higher, even Josh Allen Lamar and Herbert Stafford,
Rogers Stroud, those guys that are up there, even they
got like at least one Tier three and all that
is reflect one voter who has a way harder grading
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scale or whatever That's why I talk to fifty because
one guy's not going to ruin my poll, you know,
if he's an outlier and there's outlier votes. But Jordan
love like it was overwhelmingly positive. You know, I think
people want to see a little more consistency over the
course of a year. He was down early, up late,
and stumbled a little late too at the Tampa Bay game.
Was tough, you know, the final playoff game. But I
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do think that the it was people just being impressed
and impressed and impressed with him. And you know, the
one Tier one vote is a projection. Obviously he's not
at that level the way he played this last year.
But to get twenty five votes in Tier two already
and only one in Tier four, you know Tier four
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is either kind of a veteran who's not that great,
or it's I don't have enough information, right, So that's
what that is. No one's down and grading them. Whoever
gave him a four is just probably saying, hey, I
didn't we didn't. I didn't see him this year that much.
You know, I don't want to, but to skew that
good that early is really really good.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Justin Herbert, he was Tier one the last two years.
This year was tier two obviously dropped down. Didn't have
a great year last year. And when I look at
their receiving corps, I look at the fact that he's,
you know, got the planner fasci fascia that he has
to deal with in his foot, and then I think
they're going to be running the.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Ball a lot.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Do you think he'll have the type of year that
can get him back onto the Tier one level.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
I'm not so sure this year, you know. I think
Harbaugh will be good for him and them over time.
But when Harbaugh came to the forty nine ers, he
inherited stack defense and there was young talent on that
defense with Patrick Willis, navorro Bowman, real guys, you know,
and so that allowed him to that allowed him to
instill confidence in Alex Smith and you know, call him
(28:57):
the elite and all those things that he did the
psychologists that all the good coaches do, he really got
them going. Now. I think Harbaugh can do that for Herbert.
I just don't think he can wave a magic magic
wand overnight and be really good on defense, and that
would really really help, because if you're you can want
to run the ball in time. But if you're giving
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up points, you're going to have to pass, you know,
to keep up. So I think it is a good
change for Herbert. I just think, like you said, there's
even injuries this year this summer. I think we know
the talents there, but to expect miracle overnight, I don't
know about that.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Mike wants to ask you, do you ever hear from
players or agents how these tiers impact, if at all,
like the contract negotiations, because just looking at some of
the contracts that we're signed this summer, between two Trevor Lawrence,
those are two of the top five quarterbacks my highest
average annual value, and they're sitting in Tier three. So
if I'm like, I love it, rock Party, you know
(29:58):
what I'm saying. Or is Dak Prescott for that matter,
a guy who in the next you know, Dak in
the next year, Brock Party the next two years expected
to be up for free agency. Do I tell you, like,
look look at the way the rest of the league
finds me. Because Mike Sando interviewed all these Peena.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
Well, I think they would do that if they had to,
But it doesn't even seem like they have to do that.
These teams just sign up and pay the top four
guys and tier three. Remember, so tier one and two
you feel like we can go to super Bowl with
our guys, you're three Tier three. I think you're saying
we can win with the guy, but we can't win
because of them, And we may have to have a
really really good team around him to get that far,
(30:36):
you know, a top three defense or something like that.
And so to have two at the top fifty three
million a year, Trevor Lawrence at fifty five, Kyler Murray
got a huge deal a couple of years ago, and
Deshaun Watson is going to be getting paid like one
hundred and thirty more million dollars just no matter what,
he's fully guaranteed. That's amazing to me. So, yes, these guys,
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Deck's in a great position because they can't even franchise
dag them. He could play it out if he might.
It depends what he wants to do. But if he
wants to play it out, you can.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Before you go, and we got about a minute for
your answer. You know, we're reading a lot about brock
Perdy's interceptions in training camp and even won the preseason
game last week. Are you you know they may not
have Brandon Ayyuk Are you at all or even from
what you're hearing around the league and the people you
talk to, is there any concern or feeling that he
(31:28):
will drop down a little bit? I don't mean in tears,
but just his level of play. He won't be able
to live up to it without, you know, with the
situation the way it is this.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Year, Yeah, yes, a little bit. I feel that personally,
I feel like their supporting cast is probably never going
to be better than it was last year. Remember all
those guys played too. They're all playing kill all these
guys playing, but they have guys. The way they play,
the way they get tackled. I mean, how many times
a year just Kiddle get up slowly, Debo get up slowly? Right,
These guys know the way that they play, and so
(31:58):
Christian McCaffrey, they can't take for granted that supporting cast.
And by the way, when they pay Rock Perdy, you're
not going to have the money to get all of
these other guys sometimes, so I agree, it'll get harder
for him in the future, and you know, we'll see,
we'll see if he's able to ascend.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
That is Mike Sando of the Athletics senior NFL writer, Mike,
great stuff as always, man, We appreciate.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
You, Thank you. Always enjoyed the combo.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Later, all right, more a couple come in your way.
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Speaker 4 (33:20):
INDs this year.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Brandon Ayuk, Jamar Chase with the Bengals, although you know
it seems like Chase is back to playing already, will
bout will.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Soon be back to playing.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Uh, but you have an opinion that hold ends are
worse than holdouts, Well.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, part of it is informed by what happened to
Jamar Chase this this last summer, this last uh, this
summer apparently, but like yesterday and now today, because yesterday
Jamar Chase was like, I'm at practice on Monday, everything
is good to go. I'm getting busy. Zach Taylor saying
he's gonna expect at the Jamar Chase to fully participate
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in practice. He'll be ready week one, and then all
of a sudden, Tuesday, Jamar Chase is fifteen minutes late
and he's wearing sweatpants right like the whole in to
me see, NFL teams are easy at compartmentalizing when a
guy is out. A holdout is very much in the
same from a team perspective, from a not necessarily from
(34:19):
a salary cap or front office perspective, but from a
team perspective, a holdout is very similar to this another injury,
right where like next man up, next guy steps up.
But when you hold in. I think it becomes something
where that you can't just say what Dallas said not
too long ago. Well, Dak is here, CD's not here.
(34:39):
We got to get CD here, right, Ayuka is there,
Jamar Chase is there. It's just a question of when
are you guys gonna finally get this thing done? I
think with you with the way that these fines are, uh,
don't they.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Get if they're there?
Speaker 5 (34:53):
And Rob g unless you know Martin, uh huh, come
in here when you hold in. The reason they're doing
it is because when you show up, you get you
don't get fined, right exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
But I'm saying if the fine was more, if you
don't like, if you are a healthy scratch in practice
and you get fined, then it'd be a different story.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
You're going to be surprised to see them revisit that
in the next CBA because it is kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Because look, Chris, if I'm an agent and I have
a receiver who's in the Justin Jefferson boat of last year,
right not the last season, and DeMar Chase one of
this year, I've played three years. I'm a legit stud.
You know you're gonna want me long term, There's no
chance I would tell my client to go out there
for your four training camp without a new contract. Now
I'm not saying sit the year out, I'm not, but
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there's no chance I would tell my client to go
and do going to training camp. You're four. With the
market the way it is right now, you're gonna at
least be sitting out all a training camp, but you're
gonna go. You're gonna hold in the whole time, right, right,
so you.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Don't get fined, but you then, I mean, it's it's
almost the equivalent of a guy faking an injury, you know,
like during the season when oh, I'm here, but my
back hurts, I can't play coach.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Right, So it's much more disruptive then, because, like you remember,
the most recent example I can think of where you
had a questionable injury history that seemed to just clean
up immediately after trade was Jalen Ramsey. And Jalen Ramsey
had back problems up until he got it, and all
of a sudden, that flight from Jacksonville to Los Angeles
fixed all the back problems that he had had in
(36:24):
the air for six hours. Right. But you're if you're
if you're the coach of the Jaguars at the time,
you're being asked, well, when's Jalen coming back? Right? Like
they've asked how many times have they been asked about
Ayuk being in the building or been asked about Chase
being in the building? Right? Then, if you could just
go ahead and jerk the media around with I'll practice today,
i won't practice tomorrow. I'll practice today, I'll sit out
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the next two days cause there's no punishment, there's none.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
It's interesting because I hear what you're saying. I tend
to agree with what you're saying, but when you hold
in it, it feels like and it may be a
maraj but it gives the impression that it's really things
aren't that bad, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
And they'll work it out, and.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
That sounds it seems like what Zach Taylor was feeling like,
you know, Monday, when Jamar Chase is there, Because when
a guy's there, he's gonna be joking around with his teammates,
right talking to coaches.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
You know, it'll feel like everything's all good.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
You know, it's just a matter of time before we
get this done and I'm back with you guys practicing,
but that may not be the reality.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Yeah, and so it can.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
It can also give a team, at least the players
and the coaching staff a little false sense of security,
like you know things are good.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Well, think about this, think about the hold outside right now. C. D.
Lamb's a cowboy and cowboy news is front page news,
so it's a little bit different. But like if Trent Williams,
we don't hear about the day to day machinations of
Trent Williams contra right, Like imagine if Matthew Judon, instead
of holding in New England had held out, would he
still be a patriot Because it's a little bit easier
to ignore a guy when he's not there.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Right right, right now.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
It's interesting, man, And like I said, I wouldn't be
surprised to see if this gets a dressed and I
know it's not right around the corner, but if it
gets addressed in the next collective Barday agreement, because it
does kind.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Of kill the spirit of the whole rule, you know that.
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What's up, man, Chris.
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The thing that used to bother me about the odd
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I don't want to be the new odd couple because
I mean the odd couple would be no longer, would
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I didn't. I wanted to be my own man, blaze
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All right, Martin, you brought this up. You did trolling
a roll in last night.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I did.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
And one of your topics was or questions was about
the ESPN.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Poll of players.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
It was one hundred players, one hundred and three players
belie types of questions about quarterbacks, most underrated, most overrated,
so on and so forth. And one of the questions
they were asked is who's the goat the greatest quarterback
of all time? Eighty five of the respondents said Tom Brady.
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A few said someone else. They didn't tell us who.
That makes me think maybe they were jokes. You know
that they gods through in all types of crazy names.
But seven said Patrick Mahomes, And one player, anonymously, of course,
said if Mahomes wins his third straight and becomes the
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first quarterback ever to win three straight Super Bowls and
the first team, of course would be the Chiefs, then
that changes everything.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
So I want to ask you.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Martin Weiss, where are you right now on the goat
conversation in the NFL, and tell.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Me where you've got Mahomes ranked.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
And what would it take for him to become the
go Will A three peak do it? Because obviously they're
on the cusp, they have a great chance.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I think they're better on paper than they were last year.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Even though they lost lagerious snead, they got some they
I think they strengthen their receiving corps, which will be big.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
They're definitely better on offense on paper than they were
last year, There's no doubt.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Ibly not on defense.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
But the thing about the defense is it was a
It had a lot of young players. So those young
players that remain should get better. So that's kind of
what I mean there, But go ahead and share what
your thoughts are on the goat and where Mahomes ranks
and what you think he needs to do to surpass Brady.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So I think when we're looking at who's the goat,
the goat, right, the greatest of all time, there's a
ton of two avenues. Look at it. One accomplishments, the
other one being ability.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think when you look at and I think obviously
the combination of those two really makes your goat argument unassailable.
When you look at a guy like Tom Brady, he's
got all the accolades in the world and on top
of that, won a ton of games, right, But when
you look at a guy like Patrick Mahomes, he's got
a lot of the same accolades. But if he gets
this three peat, in my opinion, there's gonna be the
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prevailing sentiment. There will be a very, very loud minority,
and one that grows exponentially at the end of the
season if they end up pulling off a three pet
in the Kansas City Chiefs, the huge.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I agree, I big like that pole next year, and
we talked about it last night, it'll be close to half,
if not half, or maybe more than half to say.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Mahomes is the gu Yeah, I think if you pull
off that three feet you're probably looking at it close
to a sixty forty split between voters, sixty of them
being Tom, forty of them being Mahomes, with Mahomes being
under thirty. Still, right, so you'd have to think eventually
Patrick Mahomes is going to end up taking that title.
Right now, I would actually probably still have him behind
Joe Montana in terms of accolades, right, in terms of
(06:52):
the straight accolades. But I'll look at ability. To me,
just Patrick Mahomes is up there with some of the best,
the most talented people have ever seen it throw a
football in terms of they're just football ability. I mean
Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, that's in that class. But when
you're talking about greatest of all time, you also have
to combine that with winning, right, That's what changes you
from just being you know, a guy who's got great armtown.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
You have all the ability in the world if you
don't win exact accomplishments I mean Aaron Rodgers is I mean,
until Mahomes came along, you could argue he.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Was the best we've ever seen throw the football.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Obviously, Dan Marino a lot of people still say he's
the best pass they've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Marino never won a super Bowl. He's not in the conversation.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Aaron Rodgers one super Bowl win and one Super Bowl appearance,
he's not in the conversation, right all right, So I
it's Brady right now.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
But you hear me I say, and I've said this
for a long time. Patrick Mahomes is.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
The best quarterback I've ever seen. He is the best
quarterback I've ever seen. But he is not the goat.
You do have to have the accomplishments. It's almost like
hip hop. You can have a guy that's an incredible
lyricist and a great rapper, but he doesn't make great songs, right.
(08:12):
I mean, they're guys like that. The beats aren't that tight,
the hook isn't right, whatever it might be that, but
they're incredible wordsmith.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Like sonic in terms of the lyrics, in terms of everything.
For whatever reason, just doesn't resonate in the same way, right, right.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
And so you do you to be the goat rapper.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
In the conversation, you gotta make hits, all right, and
the same thing with this. You have to win championships,
you have to have accolades.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
So it's Brady.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
But I do have Mahomes as number two ahead of Montana.
I got Montana three. But I look, I have always said, Martin,
it's not gonna take seven for Mahomes to become the goat.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
If this time, this time next year, if in fact
the Kenz Chiefs pulled this off, there will be people
shouting from the rooftops that Patrick Mahomes is the greatest
of all time. And then when you ask, well what
did he why over Brady, They're gonna be like, well,
when did Brady ever win three in a row?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
And there, Yeah, Look, I think I've always said he
needs to win five, and I feel like, you know,
we'll see if he wins this championship, you know how
it happens and all that.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
But I still I feel like, now.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Even if he's three peats, I will still feel like
not quite because seven.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Here's the thing about seven.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Seven is more than any franchise, any franchise has ever won.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
So but Mahomes, I think it'll only take five.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
And here's why I think he doesn't need seven because
he has been more dominant individually than Tom Brady. Look,
Brady deserve a lot of people don't want to credit
him as much for his first three Super Bowls because
the defense was so big and he just wasn't quite
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the superstar yet that he would become.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
But here's what I say to that, Mark, you do
have to give it major credit.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
For those Super Bowls because remember, and I said a lot,
but it's the truth.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
New England under Bill.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Belichick was five and eleven before the year before Brady
took over, they were zero and two with Drew Bledsoe
as the quarterback, who was a Pro bowler, one hundred
million dollar man, the first hundred million dollar man in
the league, and Nate still couldn't win.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
And Brady steps in and they immediately take off.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
They win eleven of what their last fourteen games, and
they win the Super Bowl. I mean a team that
was darned near basically left for dead, and he.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Turned him around.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
So his leadership, intangibles, his smart says a quarterback, all
of that stuff came into play.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
But he still was not putting up huge numbers.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Well see now, he did lead the league in touchdowns
his second year as a starter, but they they didn't
even make the playoffs that year.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I don't believe, but I think Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Mahomes is off to the best start of any quarterback
in history.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Well also to Chris. The eye test, it's the eye
test that I mean. I'm not saying that Brady does
not pass the eye test by no stretch of the imagination.
But when you look at what Mahomes does, the way
he moves around, he's one of the first guys to
really maximize scrambling to make a deeper pass. Looking at
some of the underhand passes, behind the back passes, you know,
some of the things that we've seen, like there's only
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been one guy at Chris and I know that there's
been obviously more in history, but I'll talk about just
strictly Martin Wis's brain. There's only been one guy. When
I watched that Tampa Bay super Bowl where he lost,
I said, he threw two of the most impressive incompletions
I've ever seen, right, And it's partly because of the
way he's spinning a laying parallel to the ground, and
it was just hard to fault Guys like the Marcus
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Robinson who dropped one in the back corner of the
end zone because most of the time after six seconds,
the play's over with, right, Like, most of the time
after six seconds, you're not supposed to still be running
routes doing scramble drill as a wide receiver. And he
had kind of pulled up and that's why it didn't
end up being a touchdown in that end zone when
he had when Patrick Mahomes had no left hackles to
speak of against that Tampa Bay defense.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Right, well, let me throw this at you because you
alluded to it. The fact that Brady in their head
to hand matchups.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
The ones that meant something, the Super Bowl and the AFC.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Championship, when Mahomes first year is a starter, Brady got
the best of him. Brady beat him in the Super Bowl,
Brady beat him in the AFC Championship.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
In his forties.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
So how much now I get If you watch the games,
you'll say Brady was still.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Great, James was not. I'm not going Brady in his
first year, second year, our first few years.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
But as time goes on and people get away from
having seen the game live and all that, what they're
gonna say is, wait a minute, Brady was in his forties,
he clearly wasn't at his best, and he still beat Mahomes.
How much of a factor is that for you, because
I think that's gonna be a huge thing for the
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Brady crowd.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
It'll be that conversation. I'll be ultimately they win three
to four in a row, that conversation stops four in
a row.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
But Carder Row would give him five total and a
four peat. I mean, it's over, it'd be over.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
But so if in fact it ends the way you're talking,
I do think that if that's case in Brady probably
should send d Ford an ellible arrangement and tell him
thanks a lot for lining up off sides on that
third down because we were off the field and the
Chiefs would have won that game and it would have
been remembered more if it hadn't been for just earlier
on that day at the NFC Championship Game, the worst
non call in the NFL history that went so poorly
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that they had ended up reviewing past interference for an
entire season. I think that's that's really what it boils
down to to me. I know you're right in that,
you know people are just gonna point to the results
of those games. But I ultimately think that over the
next three or three to four years, Patrick Mahomes is
gonna win enough Super Bowls to were the result of
that individual game, and even the Super Bowl that he
lost to Brady is going to be deemed irrelevant because
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of the success he has going forward in his career.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Yeah, I mean, I look and I think I was
the first. I don't know, I can't state that for
a fact, but his first years a starter, when he
had the fifty touchdowns, won the MVP, I said he's
jordan esque and boy oh boy, now he's won earlier
than Michael Jordan one, but he really is is doing
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jordan Esque type things in the NFL. I mean, how
many quarterbacks Lamar, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen and we'll see.
I think guys will win a Super Bowl. Mahomes can't
win it every year.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
But he is keeping everyone from eating, you know, and
that's Ale Jordan's man.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
We can't get past this dude. We can't get a
championship because he's there.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And so, yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I think he will be the goat when it's all
said and done. But I can't give it to him
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some people your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
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Speaker 9 (18:24):
As far as with.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
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Speaker 10 (18:28):
You guys mean wants me.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
I swear to God like you. You may not think it,
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Speaker 3 (18:42):
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Speaker 9 (18:45):
Mahomes and Brady. Even if he wins three in a row,
he can hold that over Tom's Ted. Tom's beat him
in the biggest game, Huge. The way that it goes about,
I think that he would need two more he's got
at least time. If he does that, maybe one less.
With all of his accolade, with the MVPs and things
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like that, he gets through and he's the goat of
all time. Love the show. We'll always listen, We'll still
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Speaker 5 (19:18):
Thank you man, thank you. So he's saying, U Martin
that he has to win six.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, he was saying, yeah, I think that's that's a
little bit too much. Let's let's go get another call
in real quick, and h I'll give you my thoughts
on the odd couple at the end of the show.
But Stanley and Maryland, you're on the odd couple right now.
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Speaker 10 (19:40):
How are you guys doing today?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Doing well? How are you?
Speaker 6 (19:43):
How are you all good?
Speaker 10 (19:45):
All good? I appreciate the call, and basically I wanted
to say that I don't even think this should be
a question because right from the beginning, I'm gonna say this,
when you had how can you add a person to
the goat conversation when that resume is tainted with the
cheek gate. That's number one, and then on number two,
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Mahomes if you watch it and yo, you guys do it.
I do it as well. My cousin, Tory Tory Smith's
he does too. Now, all of mahomes unorthodox passes are accurate,
like most of them anyway, and you never see that
out of Tom. Now I understand Tom beat him in
the super Bowl, okay, but it goes back to the
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beginning and be chime rewine like Buckbuster, how can you
put a person in the goat conversation when they have
all these cheak gates and then on top of that
you cheat it. Gspired on the Browns at the time,
that was no threat to nobody, and I'm gonna leave
with that.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah, I mean those are his teams.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Obviously, that was you know, the spygate was on Belichick
to the Flake. I do think Brady knew something about
the flaygate. They got the balls fixed and they kept rolling.
So I'm not I mean, I am not alone and
really not even factor and in that stuff. Just about
everybody in football thinks he's the goat.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
But that's your perspective.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
But Mahomes, like I said, you gotta accomplish a good amount.
You can't just say Mahomes looks better and let me
throw this last thing out. It is easier to play
quarterback today, sure, and I'm not just talking about compared
to the seventies and eighties. If you look at Tom
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Brady's career, his numbers in his forties dwarf, I shouldn't
say dwarf, but are as good and in some cases
better than in his thirties. It's not because I know
he was a smarter quarterback at that point, but I
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think that's because you get protected more. That defense can't
hit you like they could earlier in his career. The
receivers can get hit like they could earlier in his career.
So the fact that in his forties he was putting
up five over five thousand yards one year, close to
five thousand yards in other years, and a bunch of
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touchdowns forty two forty touchdown seasons. He only had one
forty touchdown season in his entire career before he turned forty,
And so that does show you it's a little easier
to play quarterback today and put up big numbers. All right,
we got our man, Mike Sando coming up.
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Mike Sando. Mike, how are you.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I'm doing great, glad to be here.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Thanks glad to have you, and thanks for joining us again.
You kind of seem to do it every year and
we love it right around when you put out your
NFL quarterback tiers and of course you talk to fifty
people around the league, scouts, coaches, gms, that sort of thing,
and you do your tiers. And this is a serious
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question because the first tier had Mahomes, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
And Josh Allen on it.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Was there any consideration of having Mahomes on a tier
by himself because he really I believe and so do
a lot of other people, that he really is on
the level all unto himself, he is.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
That was one of the quotes I put in there
from one of the voters was like, Hey, can we
have a Tier zero for this guy? Because he is different,
And I think he's different in history because if you
look at the twenty nineteen and twenty twenty two Chiefs
teams that won the Super Bowl, he did not have
good defenses. And there's quarterbacks that are good enough have
winning records without good defense, but you rarely are going
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to win it all. And if you look at the
history of the game in the seventies, Terry Brads, Roger Staubach,
these guys had great defense. Joe Montana played for the
forty nine Ers stack defense led the league in scoring
during the eighties scoring defense, and you go all the
way through to Tom Brady. You know they all had
good defenses to do this. And so last year he
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finally had a good defense and was able to will
him through with a kind of a weak offensive supporting cast.
But he's doing it in ways that even the all
time greats don't do it. That's why Breeze and Rogers,
these guys won Super Bowl because it's hard to win
it all win your defense and special teams or whatever
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aren't at least good. And so that's to me, what
separates from not just from Burrow and Allen and Lamar
and all these other guys that are super high in
this poll. It's like separating from the all time greats.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Let me follow that up before we get back to
the poll. Do you think if Mahomes is able to
three peat? I assume you have Brady as the goat.
Do you think of Mahomes three peats that that'll change
a lot of people's opinion on the goat argument already?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
And would he change your opinion?
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Well? I think what it does is, lets you project
that Mahomes will be the goat easier. It's hard to
to me, it's hard to do better than six championships
and then go win another one with a different team
right away. You know that is that is a body
of work. But I think you could say in the past,
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this Mahomes guy, he looks like he could do it,
he looks like he could become it. I think you
start getting confident he's going to do it if you
get three in a row at this point and it
would be his fourth one, you know, so, I mean
you still put him side by side, and you know
the Brady body of work is what it is, but
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I think you're saying, wow, this guy.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Or is he going to win?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Does he need to play twenty years to do it?
You know, he may get it in twelve years.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Right, Mike, Mike. I want to ask you Martin Wise here.
I want to ask you about Jordan Love. Is he
How many players outside of Jordan Love got votes for
both Tier one and Tier three And what was kind
of the I want to know if he's an outlier,
if that's something that happens kind of commonly. Where did
people kind of come down on him? I see he's
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in Tier two, but like just in some of the
conversations because to me, he's the biggest, one of the
biggest unknowns in the NFL, and it seems like a
lot of people have locked him in as a top
ten quarterback.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yeah, so nobody lower than him got a Tier one vote.
He's the lowest guy you get a Tier one. There
are some guys higher, even Josh Allen Lamar and Herbert Stafford,
Rogers Stroud, those guys that are up there, even they
got like at least one Tier three and all that
is reflect one voter who has a way harder grading
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scale or whatever That's why I talk to fifty because
one guy's not going to ruin my poll, you know,
if he's an outlier and there's outlier votes. But Jordan
love like it was overwhelmingly positive. You know, I think
people want to see a little more consistency over the
course of a year. He was down early, up late,
and stumbled a little late too at the Tampa Bay game.
Was tough, you know, the final playoff game. But I
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do think that the it was people just being impressed
and impressed and impressed with him. And you know, the
one Tier one vote is a projection. Obviously he's not
at that level the way he played this last year.
But to get twenty five votes in Tier two already
and only one in Tier four, you know Tier four
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is either kind of a veteran who's not that great,
or it's I don't have enough information, right, So that's
what that is. No one's down and grading them. Whoever
gave him a four is just probably saying, hey, I
didn't we didn't. I didn't see him this year that much.
You know, I don't want to, but to skew that
good that early is really really good.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Justin Herbert, he was Tier one the last two years.
This year was tier two obviously dropped down. Didn't have
a great year last year. And when I look at
their receiving corps, I look at the fact that he's,
you know, got the planner fasci fascia that he has
to deal with in his foot, and then I think
they're going to be running the.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Ball a lot.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Do you think he'll have the type of year that
can get him back onto the Tier one level.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
I'm not so sure this year, you know. I think
Harbaugh will be good for him and them over time.
But when Harbaugh came to the forty nine ers, he
inherited stack defense and there was young talent on that
defense with Patrick Willis, navorro Bowman, real guys, you know,
and so that allowed him to that allowed him to
instill confidence in Alex Smith and you know, call him
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the elite and all those things that he did the
psychologists that all the good coaches do, he really got
them going. Now. I think Harbaugh can do that for Herbert.
I just don't think he can wave a magic magic
wand overnight and be really good on defense, and that
would really really help, because if you're you can want
to run the ball in time. But if you're giving
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up points, you're going to have to pass, you know,
to keep up. So I think it is a good
change for Herbert. I just think, like you said, there's
even injuries this year this summer. I think we know
the talents there, but to expect miracle overnight, I don't
know about that.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Mike wants to ask you, do you ever hear from
players or agents how these tiers impact, if at all,
like the contract negotiations, because just looking at some of
the contracts that we're signed this summer, between two Trevor Lawrence,
those are two of the top five quarterbacks my highest
average annual value, and they're sitting in Tier three. So
if I'm like, I love it, rock Party, you know
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what I'm saying. Or is Dak Prescott for that matter,
a guy who in the next you know, Dak in
the next year, Brock Party the next two years expected
to be up for free agency. Do I tell you, like,
look look at the way the rest of the league
finds me. Because Mike Sando interviewed all these Peena.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
Well, I think they would do that if they had to,
But it doesn't even seem like they have to do that.
These teams just sign up and pay the top four
guys and tier three. Remember, so tier one and two
you feel like we can go to super Bowl with
our guys, you're three Tier three. I think you're saying
we can win with the guy, but we can't win
because of them, And we may have to have a
really really good team around him to get that far,
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you know, a top three defense or something like that.
And so to have two at the top fifty three
million a year, Trevor Lawrence at fifty five, Kyler Murray
got a huge deal a couple of years ago, and
Deshaun Watson is going to be getting paid like one
hundred and thirty more million dollars just no matter what,
he's fully guaranteed. That's amazing to me. So, yes, these guys,
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Deck's in a great position because they can't even franchise
dag them. He could play it out if he might.
It depends what he wants to do. But if he
wants to play it out, you can.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Before you go, and we got about a minute for
your answer. You know, we're reading a lot about brock
Perdy's interceptions in training camp and even won the preseason
game last week. Are you you know they may not
have Brandon Ayyuk Are you at all or even from
what you're hearing around the league and the people you
talk to, is there any concern or feeling that he
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will drop down a little bit? I don't mean in tears,
but just his level of play. He won't be able
to live up to it without, you know, with the
situation the way it is this.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Year, Yeah, yes, a little bit. I feel that personally,
I feel like their supporting cast is probably never going
to be better than it was last year. Remember all
those guys played too. They're all playing kill all these
guys playing, but they have guys. The way they play,
the way they get tackled. I mean, how many times
a year just Kiddle get up slowly, Debo get up slowly? Right,
These guys know the way that they play, and so
(31:58):
Christian McCaffrey, they can't take for granted that supporting cast.
And by the way, when they pay Rock Perdy, you're
not going to have the money to get all of
these other guys sometimes, so I agree, it'll get harder
for him in the future, and you know, we'll see,
we'll see if he's able to ascend.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
That is Mike Sando of the Athletics senior NFL writer, Mike,
great stuff as always, man, We appreciate.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
You, Thank you. Always enjoyed the combo.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Later, all right, more a couple come in your way.
Martin Weiss is not a fan of the hold in.
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take because we've had a few hold.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
INDs this year.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Brandon Ayuk, Jamar Chase with the Bengals, although you know
it seems like Chase is back to playing already, will
bout will.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Soon be back to playing.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Uh, but you have an opinion that hold ends are
worse than holdouts, Well.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, part of it is informed by what happened to
Jamar Chase this this last summer, this last uh, this
summer apparently, but like yesterday and now today, because yesterday
Jamar Chase was like, I'm at practice on Monday, everything
is good to go. I'm getting busy. Zach Taylor saying
he's gonna expect at the Jamar Chase to fully participate
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in practice. He'll be ready week one, and then all
of a sudden, Tuesday, Jamar Chase is fifteen minutes late
and he's wearing sweatpants right like the whole in to
me see, NFL teams are easy at compartmentalizing when a
guy is out. A holdout is very much in the
same from a team perspective, from a not necessarily from
(34:19):
a salary cap or front office perspective, but from a
team perspective, a holdout is very similar to this another injury,
right where like next man up, next guy steps up.
But when you hold in. I think it becomes something
where that you can't just say what Dallas said not
too long ago. Well, Dak is here, CD's not here.
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We got to get CD here, right, Ayuka is there,
Jamar Chase is there. It's just a question of when
are you guys gonna finally get this thing done? I
think with you with the way that these fines are, uh,
don't they.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Get if they're there?
Speaker 5 (34:53):
And Rob g unless you know Martin, uh huh, come
in here when you hold in. The reason they're doing
it is because when you show up, you get you
don't get fined, right exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
But I'm saying if the fine was more, if you
don't like, if you are a healthy scratch in practice
and you get fined, then it'd be a different story.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
You're going to be surprised to see them revisit that
in the next CBA because it is kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Because look, Chris, if I'm an agent and I have
a receiver who's in the Justin Jefferson boat of last year,
right not the last season, and DeMar Chase one of
this year, I've played three years. I'm a legit stud.
You know you're gonna want me long term, There's no
chance I would tell my client to go out there
for your four training camp without a new contract. Now
I'm not saying sit the year out, I'm not, but
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there's no chance I would tell my client to go
and do going to training camp. You're four. With the
market the way it is right now, you're gonna at
least be sitting out all a training camp, but you're
gonna go. You're gonna hold in the whole time, right, right,
so you.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Don't get fined, but you then, I mean, it's it's
almost the equivalent of a guy faking an injury, you know,
like during the season when oh, I'm here, but my
back hurts, I can't play coach.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Right, So it's much more disruptive then, because, like you remember,
the most recent example I can think of where you
had a questionable injury history that seemed to just clean
up immediately after trade was Jalen Ramsey. And Jalen Ramsey
had back problems up until he got it, and all
of a sudden, that flight from Jacksonville to Los Angeles
fixed all the back problems that he had had in
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the air for six hours. Right. But you're if you're
if you're the coach of the Jaguars at the time,
you're being asked, well, when's Jalen coming back? Right? Like
they've asked how many times have they been asked about
Ayuk being in the building or been asked about Chase
being in the building? Right? Then, if you could just
go ahead and jerk the media around with I'll practice today,
i won't practice tomorrow. I'll practice today, I'll sit out
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the next two days cause there's no punishment, there's none.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
It's interesting because I hear what you're saying. I tend
to agree with what you're saying, but when you hold
in it, it feels like and it may be a
maraj but it gives the impression that it's really things
aren't that bad, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
And they'll work it out, and.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
That sounds it seems like what Zach Taylor was feeling like,
you know, Monday, when Jamar Chase is there, Because when
a guy's there, he's gonna be joking around with his teammates,
right talking to coaches.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
You know, it'll feel like everything's all good.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
You know, it's just a matter of time before we
get this done and I'm back with you guys practicing,
but that may not be the reality.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Yeah, and so it can.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
It can also give a team, at least the players
and the coaching staff a little false sense of security,
like you know things are good.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Well, think about this, think about the hold outside right now. C. D.
Lamb's a cowboy and cowboy news is front page news,
so it's a little bit different. But like if Trent Williams,
we don't hear about the day to day machinations of
Trent Williams contra right, Like imagine if Matthew Judon, instead
of holding in New England had held out, would he
still be a patriot Because it's a little bit easier
to ignore a guy when he's not there.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Right right, right now.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
It's interesting, man, And like I said, I wouldn't be
surprised to see if this gets a dressed and I
know it's not right around the corner, but if it
gets addressed in the next collective Barday agreement, because it
does kind.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Of kill the spirit of the whole rule, you know that.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
So all right, we got two hours left, keep it
like ah Coable, Fox Sports Radio,
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