September 4, 2024 • 31 mins
Chris and Rob debate whether or not it’s fair to say that Patrick Mahomes is ‘Jordan-Esque’ and should be viewed as the favorite to win the NFL MVP every year, and tell us what – if anything – Deshaun Watson can do regain his form as an elite NFL quarterback. Plus, Super Bowl champion and WJZ-TV Baltimore host Qadry Ismail swings by to discuss the narrative that tomorrow night is a ‘revenge game’ for the Baltimore Ravens against the Kansas City Chiefs, whether or not the offseason weight loss for Lamar Jackson was the best idea, his expectations for Derrick Henry in the King’s first year in Baltimore and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Harker, NFL executives Folk to the Athletic twenty seven of
them to be exact, they were anonymous, so they you know,
shared their true feelings, and eighteen of the twenty six
Pickpatrick Mahomes to be the MVP.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
He is my pick as well.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
And one GM said this Rob, and this is really
stuck in your crawl.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's hard not to say Mahomes. He's Michael Jordan.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
You know I've been saying that. I claimed that I was.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The first to say it six years ago in his
first year as a starter, fifty touchdowns over five thousand
yards MVP.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I said, this dude is Jordan esque or going to
be Jordan esk And there it is thought.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
So he's wrong and you're wrong. Absolutely prisoner of the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I expect better from nl NFL executives. But this is
a lame, easy, lazy pick to pick Patrick Mahomes as
the MVP. Last year. He did not have an MVVPCI. Now, okay,
he didn't play well, and you can blame it whatever
you want to blame it on, but it didn't blame well,
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the numbers weren't good.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Can we just acknowledge that, right? The numbers during the
regular sat.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
In the overstated he didn't have a great year.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Obviously came through in the super Bowl and you know,
playoffs in general, but for him, it was a down year.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
But it was a regular season award, So we can't
we're not talking about that. Okay, No, he should.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
He was not even in the conversation exactly rightly.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So, and for this executive to say, Michael Jordani wins
it every year, First of all, Michael jordan never didn't
win it every year as great as he was.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Okay, so that doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Whatever, maybe whoever did the poll or whatever could have said, well,
Michael didn't win it ten years in a row, So
so what are you saying?
Speaker 6 (02:27):
And then here's the other part, that's.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Just kind of making a you know, he didn't mean
he's gonna win it every year.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And last year Mahomes threw for forty one hundred yards
Chris twenty seven touchdowns, both were his second lowest mark
of his career as a starter, and he had a
career high fourteen interceptions in seventeen games. So that's what
we're talking about. Rob g Rob, he's not even in
the room. Alex sent me this. Thank you, Alex. And
here's the best part. As Patrick Mahomes played in the
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NFL the last five years, Yeah he has, right, yes,
but somehow two quarterbacks who are still playing actually won
four of the five MVPs during the Patrick Mahomes era.
During the Michael Jordan era, Aaron Rodgers won twice and.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Lamar Jackson won twice.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Right, and Lamar Jackson in the Patrick Mahomes era, what
all the first place votes except one in two of
the voting times when he won the MVP.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
So my only point is, Chris.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Just like when everybody who was the former baseball player
was the Ccsabathia who said every every year, just give
it to show Hay No, I don't think it was Yeah,
it was CC. Okay, yeah, just like I know you're
thinking about no. CC said he was gonna beat Aaron Judger, right,
it was.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
It was JD.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Martinez, Chris.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
JD.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Martinez said every year, just give it to show.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Hey, And of course Aaron Judge beat him right one
year when they were head to head, not a different leagues.
It won't matter, but Aaron Judge beat him with the
historic season. All I'm saying is Patrick Mahomes in the
last five years has won one of the MVPs and
the other two guys Aaron Rodgers and especially Lamar who
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won just one vote shy of being unanimous twice, which
is incredible considering I think Chris only two guys have
done it right, Tom Brady and Lamar almost did it
for a second time, where nobody's only done.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
It once twice, which is incredible.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It really is talks about his impact and whatnot and
his play. I just I don't think it's automatic that
he's gonna be MVP.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
That's my pot.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Look, if you're taking the quote literally, I am, I
gotta go by O.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And yeah, of course, I mean he's not gonna win
it every year and Michael, but that does not change
the comparison to Jordan, because to your point, Jordan didn't
win it every year, and Jordan rob was. We know
he was the best player for ten straight years and
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you maybe even more.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And he didn't win the MVP every year.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
He went multiple seasons straight without getting an MVP. And
so whether it's voter fatigue, I will give you that.
Mahomes last year did not have an MVP season.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
So there's no question about that.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
But when I say said Jordan esk, I mean and
again it doesn't mean nobody ever eats. Because Jordan played
fifteen years thirteen with the Bulls, he won six championships.
That means seven years with the Bulls he didn't win it.
But once he started winning, no one else ate.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Now it's not.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Exact because to your point, other quarterbacks Matthew Stafford, Tom
Brady have won super during the Mahomes era, if you will,
but he has been keeping a lot of quarterbacks from eating.
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, like dudes, he and
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he's not gonna win even.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
The Super Bowl. He's not gonna win it every year.
Tom Brady won seven.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's more than any franchise in what twenty one how
many years to Brady twenty one twenty four years?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
That's like one every that's thirty something percent of the time.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Don't even know if you can forget about it. Tomboy
had two separate careers.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It was a middle career and was great that individually,
right individually, he became like an elite, you know, statistically
elite where he wasn't that early in his career, in
his first few Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
But my point is just that Rob, I do think Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Rob what he's doing is he is dominating the sport
to the similar degree that Michael Jordan did. It was
like it was no question who's the best player in
the league.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Who cares who won it?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
If you Carl Malone was never better than Michael Jordan.
Charles Barkley was never better than Michael Jordan. But they
won m vps on his watch, you know, And and
who Lamar is not better than Michael or than Patrick Mahomes,
And none.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Of you has played better. He's played better.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
He hasn't thrown the ball better, but he run back.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
The two years that he won unanimous.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
But no one even when he plays better, he ain't better. Yeah,
but it's not. That's not how this dude is clear
the best. He's the best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
He didn't look like.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
The next quarterback last year, Christian.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
When he counted.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And then there's the other part is he looked like
he's so great that two years in a row you
voted it, you bet against him. You didn't even think
he was gonna win the last two Super bowl Well,
there's a question mark in your mind, yes.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Or no, to win the Super Bowls the best quarterback.
I just robbed that that. I'm telling you, Tom Brady,
in my view as the go he won Super Bowls
about thirty percent of his career.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You don't win it every year.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Joe Montana four super Bowls, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
How many years did he not win it? Way more
than four.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So even if I think Patrick Mahomes is the best
quarterback in the league, doesn't mean I'm gonna pick him
to win the Super Bowl every year one. It doesn't
happen too. It is a team sport. If you don't
have the defense, if you don't have Heck, last year
he won it with some receivers that couldn't catch, could
not catch a cold.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Thankfully had Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So you know, if football, nobody's gonna win it every year,
But that dude is Jordan Esk.
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Speaker 3 (10:14):
Great to have you on, and my goodness, we couldn't
ask for a better time. We're on the eve of
the open to the twenty twenty four NFL season and
you've got the Ravens playing at Kansas City. Now, a
lot of people Kadre are like, Hey, the Ravens had
their season ended by the Chiefs last year. Lamar is
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one in four against Patrick Mahomes, and you know, the
Chiefs seem to have their number. If the Ravens don't
win this game, mentally, they are going to be shook.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
So what are your thoughts on this.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Game in relation to all that context of them having
eliminated the Ravens who had a phenomenal year and basically
beat everybody else accept the Chiefs last year.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I love it. And add on to the fact that
you've got a new defensive coordinator and Zach Orr who's
about to go up against the Master, and Andy Reid
as a head coach and play caller himself, so all
of it is right there before the Ravens. I'm sure
everyone is outside of the Baltimore area is counting the
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Ravens in the L column. And that's a good thing,
I think for this team because when they play as
the underdog, when they play in that galvanized mindset, that's
when they play their best. I think when they are
out there in the front and are playing so well
that everyone is starting to jump on a hype train,
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they can kind of let things get away from them.
So I like the fact that their backs up against
the wall, new coordinator, new pieces on the offensive line,
and yes, you're going into the proverbial Lions. Then when
it comes to playing the Kansas City Chiefs, and we
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know what Chiefs Kingdom is all about when it comes
to their home crowd and just the noise level and
all of it. So I'm loving the fact that you
have to start the season off with such adversity to
I think help this team season itself to really understand
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what's that stake this year.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Here's my issue I have with the Ravens and the
reason I do believe I have them going to the
Super Bowl, and I do believe that, you know, Lamar
will be like Jason Tatum. Nobody believes he'll win until
he wins. But here's my issue. That game plan and
that AFC chap, like, I don't even know what game
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plan that was. And if the Ravens had played their
irregular game plan that they had played all year and
law and they barely lost. Okay, as poorly as they played,
they barely lost that cad. I just believe that if
they played their regular game that they can win.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
I just what was that? What did What did I miss?
That they rushed the ball four times with their running backs?
What did I miss?
Speaker 5 (13:20):
I think you saw seez Bagnolo do an excellent job
of bringing pressure. There were opportunities for Lamar to get
some beautiful plays down the field, to get rid of
the ball quickly, to allow guys to have strong run
after catch. But see Bagnola was like, look, we're going
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to just load the box. We're going to play man
and man on the outside, and we're going to make
Lamar hold the football. And if he holds the football,
we know that we're going to get pressure in his face.
If he beats us once, Okay, but we dare him
to be consistent in beating us and he couldn't hold up,
and so I think Tom Munkin got away from the
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game plan. As far as running the ball, I think
part of it is Lamar when pressure was on him,
and we saw it in other points in his career.
I go back two years ago when they were playing
the Miami Dolphins down in Miami, and Miami just was
like zero coverage, We're coming after you, and they got
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to him. Then you know, the following year they tried
the same thing and Lamar sliced invite them. So I
think a feast Bagnolo. His mindset was we bringing the pressure.
You're not going to run the football. We dare you
to beat us, and and it worked. And I think
that's where, Yeah, you know, people like yourself and you
know pretty much every person that has come up to me,
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you know during this off season is like, Kadrie, what happened, Kadrie.
We're going to run the ball. Yes, we're going to
run the ball. Yes we got King Henry, Yes he
is looking really good. Yes, Stanley, our offensive tackle on
the right or the left side, is looking really good
and strong. We're gonna be all right. So everybody calmed down.
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We're gonna be on well.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Let me ask you. I want a two part question
about Lamar.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
One, if that in Kansas City may switch it up right,
But if they do the same thing you mentioned him
learning against Miami, do you think he's better equipped.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Now to handle that.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
And secondly, he's lost fifteen pounds thirty pounds from two
years ago. My assumption is he's doing that so he
can run away from people again like he did earlier
in his career.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Remember he had the twenty one yard.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Run against the Chiefs and I think it was Lugerius
Sneid who kind of tracked him down, but Lamar kept
looking back like he wasn't even trying to run away
from him. But you know, in the past he would
have had the speed maybe to get outside and take
that to the house. So tell me about the weight
loss and do you think Lamar will be more prepared
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for what the Chiefs throw at him tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Yes, as far as his weight loss, I think he
is looking phenomenal. I think it was critical for him
to kind of, you know, lose the extra muscle, lose
some of the extra masks. This training camp. You know,
there were multiple times throughout training camp where you just
saw Lamar being explosive and just taking it to the
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end zone every single time, whether it be fifty to
sixty yards out, and more importantly, the way in which
he was able to actively recover by jogging back and
getting back into the huddle and just making another play
and not even being you know, winded or out of
shape as far as his recovery. So, I think for
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Lamar he felt like, yeah, his weight, the mask that
he had on was too much. He lightened it up.
It's going to be you know, another opportunity for him
to show his explosiveness when he needs it, which leads
me into the second part of your question when it
comes to Tom Monkin and the second year of their offense,
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where I'm hoping that Lamar, while he is lighter, he
doesn't necessarily have to feel like everything is on him
to make a big play, but rather use Derrick Henry,
use Rashad Bateman, use the Flowers, use your dynamic tight
ends and Mark Andrews and Isaiah Likely. So then when
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the defenses are trying to take away those other pieces,
that's when your explosiveness comes and works in your favor.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
No, that that's good stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Before you go ahead, Derrek Henry just yeah, yeah, I
just want to know just what do we expect from
Derek Henry? Like, are they going to work him like
a workhorse? You know what I mean, pick their spots?
Speaker 6 (18:01):
What what is he?
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yeah? I think you know, it's thunder and lightning time.
And I think for Derek Henry, we've seen him where.
You know, if you need to have him as the workhorse, great,
if you need to, you know, just allow him to
kind of tenderize a team and then finally bust off
the big one in the fourth quarter. Then so be it.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
I think I like that tender rise. I like that.
I like tender rise my steak before I cook it.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
I'm telling you it gives you the opportunity for your bicuspids.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
But just write it, listen to you.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
I think Derrick Henry is about to take it to
the next level and a lot of defenses this year.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
All right, that's our man. Kadri is my great stuff. Coadrey,
enjoy the game tomorrow as we suddenly.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Will I tell your brother Rocket, I said, what's up always?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Brother? Indeed, indeed, thank you, fellow.
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Speaker 4 (19:07):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You know Cleveland's a interesting then there are a lot
of interesting teams.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Cleveland last year made the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Great defense, probably the best defensive player in the league
in Miles Garrett. Uh run game is usually legit. I
think Kevin Stefanski is a good coach. They got Amari
Cooper as a receiver. That added Jerry Judy like David
and Joko a tity like.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
They got some talent.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
But the big question and one reason I'm leaving them
out of the playoffs is what about this Shawn Watson.
To me, that is the only question in Cleveland. Rob,
if he could get back to eighty.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Five percent good luck of what he was, then I
think he could.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You know, they could maybe be dangerous, but he has
been he's just been downright bad. And I know they
went five and one with him last year, but he
didn't play.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
It was darn near. It was basically in spite of him.
And here's he was asked Rob.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Whether he considers himself still to be one of the
league's elite quarterbacks. And simple answer he gave of course,
no doubt.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
He's only turns twenty nine in a week and a
half next Saturday. I mean, he's not too old to
get it back in theory. But what are your thoughts
on him saying and thinking he's still elite or even
being elite.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I mean, I'm not surprised. I like he should think.
I hope he really thinks that. I mean, what is
he gonna say? No, I'm chopped liver, you know what
I mean, Chris, Like, you're washed.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
I'm washed. You see this rag here, I'm washed.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
So we know that people are never going to say that.
But no, he's not a lead and he hasn't been
a lead. And I think that sometimes you look at people, Chris,
and you think they can go away from a game
at this level for a couple of years and come
back and everything's good, Like we just let me just
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pick up where I left off. Something is missing, Okay,
it's very obvious, and I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
If it's the Russ factor that you know what I mean, Chris,
that he missed so much action, the confidence level and
then the injuries. So there's a there's there's a trifecta
there of things.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Well, remember he sat out and look, I think most
people feel like he is guilty of you know, the
sexual assault.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
It's just too much.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
It's just Chris, it's just too much.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I mean, it's a lot of I don't even remember
how many women.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Rob Genez sixty or something or like, how many women
that were involved in that thing.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
It wasn't like it was Chris, it was one or two.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And it's like he said, she said, like like you
could you could like put your head.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
And say, well, maybe they just did you never know.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Okay, but when that many women come forward and then
all the social media evidence that they had that he
had made contact with these women, he had flown the man.
They're just overwhelming evidence. And you know this, Rob, I
know you've talked to guys.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's surprising how many guys are siding with him on that.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
So I'm gonna say whether you.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Think he did it or not, but he first of all,
all of this he brought on.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Himself, thank you, and again he was doing it. Let
me say this, I don't mean he did. And even
bigger Chris, from this standpoint, if you knew you were
involved in that Chris, and you have all all of
the dms and you like all.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
That stuff is there.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Had he settled with the first woman, Chris, there's no
story and the other women don't come out of the
woodworks because they say, well, that happened to me too.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Do you under That's how important? That's how important.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
If you knew that you were involved in that stuff,
you could have easily And I'm just saying from a
business standpoint and not ruining your life.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Notwly did you lose your reputation, Chris?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
All the sponsors that he had, this guy was there
was a sponsor machine. And then all the money he
had to pay for lawyers. He had, like one of
the biggest women. That guy's named Rusty, Yeah, Rusty Harden Chris,
who's a big time lawyer, you know, much money. So
he lost endorsements and then they had to pay a
big time lawyer. All I'm saying is he did bring
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this upon himself, well first.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Of all with the actions, and secondly, remember and be gay.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
And look, there.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Are people out there that think the Texans once he
shunned them, that they you know, got this stuff going.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I don't know all that.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
But remember when he was like, I'm not playing for
the Texans and sat out an entire year, Rob, and
then all this stuff started coming out, and Cleveland, desperate
as they were, give him this huge deal.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
He's only played.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Twelve games for the Browns in two years, so he
is rusty, I guess. But the problem Rob, you and look,
I get it. And Houston was a bad organization, right,
not that bad. They made the playoffs, right, he was
making the playoffs with him three what three straight years.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
When they signed that deal, Like, that's that's the issue
that I had had a chance, he had a chance
to get out of there if it was so bad,
Like he he didn't have to sign that.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
He signed a deal for like one hundred and sixty and.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
They made the play playoffs two years.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
But you and I always say this, So you're right,
first of all, you signed the deal, and I get
you want the money. But still you and I say
this all the time. We said it about Joe Burrow,
and we can say it about Steve C. J. Stroud
who went to the same woe be gone organization at
deshonn And look, if you are that guy, and DeShawn
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was that guy, you can turn a franchise around.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Joe Burrow did it with the Brown Remember when everybody.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Was telling Joe Burrow, don't go there, don't he should
should don't go to the We were like, he's from Ohio,
and if you're going to beat that guy, you go
there and you beat.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
It the guy.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
You make him good.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
And that's what they they those two guys did, and DeShawn,
quite frankly, Rob was doing that with the Texans. They
were making the playoffs with him there. But now here's
what I wonder, Rob, And I don't know the answer.
I wonder because you said it, DeShawn watched it. He
was not just he was not like a non descript
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star where everybody star, but nobody knew about what he
was like as a person. Every his character was thought
to be unimpeachable. Damosweeney said he was Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
I mean he was.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
He was viewed as, you know, a religious guy and
like community service and all that, Like he had a
pristine reputation.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
And I wonder, Rob, and again I don't know if
this is.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
The truth, but I just wonder, does the collapse of
his public persona has that did that rock him so
much mentally that he just can't recover because you know,
everywhere you go and there's a few guys out there,
like we said that that are with him. But you
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know when you walk into a room, when you walk
into a press conference, when you walk into a restaurant.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
People are looking at you. I'm just gonna keep it
real like you're preferred it.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
And that I wonder has that messed up his psyche
so much that he just can't play at the level
that he used to.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
And I do want to remind people Chris.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Back in twenty twenty with the Texans, Watson led the
NFL in passing Chris four eight twenty three yards and
was named to the Pro Bowl for the third time
in four years. That's how that's where he was pinnacle
right since joining the Browns, Watson's forty one point nine
quarter QBR Chris six lowest in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
That's where he is.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
That that was twenty twenty and now six lowest QBR
in the NFL. And you might be on the something
because he did take a public hit on his uh
what's the right his image?
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Yeah? His image here? Yeah, yeah, I mean that that
is a that's.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
A blow and people look at you differently because of
what people thought you were.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Chris.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
It's not like they didn't know or you weren't attached
to anything, right, you were attached to good If you
were Dennis, right, it would have been okay, all right,
or you know, then they pulled the curtains back, you
know what I mean? Okay, So I'm not shocked by it,
but Deshaun Watson, I think people were shocked.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, And I look, if that is the case, and
he should have it seems like he should have been
getting therapy anyway. And I would imagine he's had some therapy.
I think he's certainly talked about talking to counters. I
don't know if it was more in relation to, you know,
just his legal issues or whatever, but you know, you
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would think he'd tried to talk to somebody to get over.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Whether it's that what I described. There seems to be.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Some type of mental block there though, because you're talking
about it.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Guy, he's only twenty he's not even twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yet, right, he should be able to get it back,
at least physically. And so if it's a mental issue,
go talk to some.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
People, right, and especially now it's a couple of years now,
It's not like we got it the first time. He
was still suspended, Chris, he missed time, you know, and
trying to get acclimated, so you you kind of gave
him a pass on that. Last year had a full
off season, right and then training camp, so everybody thought, okay,
like he should be acclimated now, and that didn't happen.
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But I still to this day, I just wonder, does
he sit up looking at the ceiling, you know, at night,
saying why did I pay that one hundred thousand.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Dollars or whatever?
Speaker 4 (29:43):
It was?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Seriously like that was that was one of those tactical
errors that cost him.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
I just cannot get over it.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Well, you know, Rob we I mean we've covered athletes
for decades, and I you are almost can't blame him.
Sometimes you can think you're teftlneep. I mean you you
you got all the money in the world. Everybody phones
over you, Everybody does whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
You want them to do.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Remember it came out that the Texans were, you know,
he was getting these hotel rooms for his massages, and
the Texans were, you know, involved in that. Like people
are doing whatever you want them to do, and you're
and Rob look for all the women that came out
again speculation, My guess is that some of the women
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he hit on, not not necessarily the ones that came
out and accused him.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
But some of them he got what he wanted, or
he wouldn't have kept doing it.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I don't think no, no, right, and it was it
wasn't We're not talking about two or three women.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
We're talking about a ton.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
So you you start thinking you can get a you know, man,
this won't stick.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I'm Deshaun Watson, right, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
But boy did they on the rest of when you
have to go shell out the money he shelled out
for the Chris, when you got to fight these a
lot of people set a lot of court because of
what the expense is. Like, like, it's not that you
you think you couldn't win a case or maybe it's
not as bad as they make it out to be,
but what it'll cost you?
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Is it worth it?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Right now? You're right? Had he paid it? Had he
paid it?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
You know, because didn't it happened? Didn't happen to Bill
Cosby too? Wasn't it like there was one person and a.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Lot I think by the end it was like sixty
was it sixty women with Bill Cosby.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Somebody was a lot that ended up coming out well.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
But and then they remember that the judge unsealed one
of those things where he paid off a woman and
admitted that he had drugged or something. You remember that,
like there was unsealed, There was supposed to be sealed,
and it became unsealed.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Harker, NFL executives Folk to the Athletic twenty seven of
them to be exact, they were anonymous, so they you know,
shared their true feelings, and eighteen of the twenty six
Pickpatrick Mahomes to be the MVP.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
He is my pick as well.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
And one GM said this Rob, and this is really
stuck in your crawl.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's hard not to say Mahomes. He's Michael Jordan.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
You know I've been saying that. I claimed that I was.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The first to say it six years ago in his
first year as a starter, fifty touchdowns over five thousand
yards MVP.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I said, this dude is Jordan esque or going to
be Jordan esk And there it is thought.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
So he's wrong and you're wrong. Absolutely prisoner of the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I expect better from nl NFL executives. But this is
a lame, easy, lazy pick to pick Patrick Mahomes as
the MVP. Last year. He did not have an MVVPCI. Now, okay,
he didn't play well, and you can blame it whatever
you want to blame it on, but it didn't blame well,
(01:48):
the numbers weren't good.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Can we just acknowledge that, right? The numbers during the
regular sat.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
In the overstated he didn't have a great year.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Obviously came through in the super Bowl and you know,
playoffs in general, but for him, it was a down year.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
But it was a regular season award, So we can't
we're not talking about that. Okay, No, he should.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
He was not even in the conversation exactly rightly.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So, and for this executive to say, Michael Jordani wins
it every year, First of all, Michael jordan never didn't
win it every year as great as he was.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Okay, so that doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Whatever, maybe whoever did the poll or whatever could have said, well,
Michael didn't win it ten years in a row, So
so what are you saying?
Speaker 6 (02:27):
And then here's the other part, that's.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Just kind of making a you know, he didn't mean
he's gonna win it every year.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And last year Mahomes threw for forty one hundred yards
Chris twenty seven touchdowns, both were his second lowest mark
of his career as a starter, and he had a
career high fourteen interceptions in seventeen games. So that's what
we're talking about. Rob g Rob, he's not even in
the room. Alex sent me this. Thank you, Alex. And
here's the best part. As Patrick Mahomes played in the
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NFL the last five years, Yeah he has, right, yes,
but somehow two quarterbacks who are still playing actually won
four of the five MVPs during the Patrick Mahomes era.
During the Michael Jordan era, Aaron Rodgers won twice and.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Lamar Jackson won twice.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Right, and Lamar Jackson in the Patrick Mahomes era, what
all the first place votes except one in two of
the voting times when he won the MVP.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
So my only point is, Chris.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Just like when everybody who was the former baseball player
was the Ccsabathia who said every every year, just give
it to show Hay No, I don't think it was Yeah,
it was CC. Okay, yeah, just like I know you're
thinking about no. CC said he was gonna beat Aaron Judger, right,
it was.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
It was JD.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Martinez, Chris.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
JD.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Martinez said every year, just give it to show.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Hey, And of course Aaron Judge beat him right one
year when they were head to head, not a different leagues.
It won't matter, but Aaron Judge beat him with the
historic season. All I'm saying is Patrick Mahomes in the
last five years has won one of the MVPs and
the other two guys Aaron Rodgers and especially Lamar who
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won just one vote shy of being unanimous twice, which
is incredible considering I think Chris only two guys have
done it right, Tom Brady and Lamar almost did it
for a second time, where nobody's only done.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
It once twice, which is incredible.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It really is talks about his impact and whatnot and
his play. I just I don't think it's automatic that
he's gonna be MVP.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
That's my pot.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Look, if you're taking the quote literally, I am, I
gotta go by O.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And yeah, of course, I mean he's not gonna win
it every year and Michael, but that does not change
the comparison to Jordan, because to your point, Jordan didn't
win it every year, and Jordan rob was. We know
he was the best player for ten straight years and
(05:08):
you maybe even more.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And he didn't win the MVP every year.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
He went multiple seasons straight without getting an MVP. And
so whether it's voter fatigue, I will give you that.
Mahomes last year did not have an MVP season.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
So there's no question about that.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
But when I say said Jordan esk, I mean and
again it doesn't mean nobody ever eats. Because Jordan played
fifteen years thirteen with the Bulls, he won six championships.
That means seven years with the Bulls he didn't win it.
But once he started winning, no one else ate.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Now it's not.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Exact because to your point, other quarterbacks Matthew Stafford, Tom
Brady have won super during the Mahomes era, if you will,
but he has been keeping a lot of quarterbacks from eating.
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, like dudes, he and
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he's not gonna win even.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
The Super Bowl. He's not gonna win it every year.
Tom Brady won seven.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's more than any franchise in what twenty one how
many years to Brady twenty one twenty four years?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
That's like one every that's thirty something percent of the time.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Don't even know if you can forget about it. Tomboy
had two separate careers.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It was a middle career and was great that individually,
right individually, he became like an elite, you know, statistically
elite where he wasn't that early in his career, in
his first few Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
But my point is just that Rob, I do think Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Rob what he's doing is he is dominating the sport
to the similar degree that Michael Jordan did. It was
like it was no question who's the best player in
the league.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Who cares who won it?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
If you Carl Malone was never better than Michael Jordan.
Charles Barkley was never better than Michael Jordan. But they
won m vps on his watch, you know, And and
who Lamar is not better than Michael or than Patrick Mahomes,
And none.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Of you has played better. He's played better.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
He hasn't thrown the ball better, but he run back.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
The two years that he won unanimous.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
But no one even when he plays better, he ain't better. Yeah,
but it's not. That's not how this dude is clear
the best. He's the best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
He didn't look like.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
The next quarterback last year, Christian.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
When he counted.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And then there's the other part is he looked like
he's so great that two years in a row you
voted it, you bet against him. You didn't even think
he was gonna win the last two Super bowl Well,
there's a question mark in your mind, yes.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Or no, to win the Super Bowls the best quarterback.
I just robbed that that. I'm telling you, Tom Brady,
in my view as the go he won Super Bowls
about thirty percent of his career.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You don't win it every year.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Joe Montana four super Bowls, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
How many years did he not win it? Way more
than four.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So even if I think Patrick Mahomes is the best
quarterback in the league, doesn't mean I'm gonna pick him
to win the Super Bowl every year one. It doesn't
happen too. It is a team sport. If you don't
have the defense, if you don't have Heck, last year
he won it with some receivers that couldn't catch, could
not catch a cold.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Thankfully had Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So you know, if football, nobody's gonna win it every year,
But that dude is Jordan Esk.
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Speaker 3 (10:14):
Great to have you on, and my goodness, we couldn't
ask for a better time. We're on the eve of
the open to the twenty twenty four NFL season and
you've got the Ravens playing at Kansas City. Now, a
lot of people Kadre are like, Hey, the Ravens had
their season ended by the Chiefs last year. Lamar is
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one in four against Patrick Mahomes, and you know, the
Chiefs seem to have their number. If the Ravens don't
win this game, mentally, they are going to be shook.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
So what are your thoughts on this.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Game in relation to all that context of them having
eliminated the Ravens who had a phenomenal year and basically
beat everybody else accept the Chiefs last year.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I love it. And add on to the fact that
you've got a new defensive coordinator and Zach Orr who's
about to go up against the Master, and Andy Reid
as a head coach and play caller himself, so all
of it is right there before the Ravens. I'm sure
everyone is outside of the Baltimore area is counting the
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Ravens in the L column. And that's a good thing,
I think for this team because when they play as
the underdog, when they play in that galvanized mindset, that's
when they play their best. I think when they are
out there in the front and are playing so well
that everyone is starting to jump on a hype train,
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they can kind of let things get away from them.
So I like the fact that their backs up against
the wall, new coordinator, new pieces on the offensive line,
and yes, you're going into the proverbial Lions. Then when
it comes to playing the Kansas City Chiefs, and we
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know what Chiefs Kingdom is all about when it comes
to their home crowd and just the noise level and
all of it. So I'm loving the fact that you
have to start the season off with such adversity to
I think help this team season itself to really understand
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what's that stake this year.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Here's my issue I have with the Ravens and the
reason I do believe I have them going to the
Super Bowl, and I do believe that, you know, Lamar
will be like Jason Tatum. Nobody believes he'll win until
he wins. But here's my issue. That game plan and
that AFC chap, like, I don't even know what game
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plan that was. And if the Ravens had played their
irregular game plan that they had played all year and
law and they barely lost. Okay, as poorly as they played,
they barely lost that cad. I just believe that if
they played their regular game that they can win.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
I just what was that? What did What did I miss?
That they rushed the ball four times with their running backs?
What did I miss?
Speaker 5 (13:20):
I think you saw seez Bagnolo do an excellent job
of bringing pressure. There were opportunities for Lamar to get
some beautiful plays down the field, to get rid of
the ball quickly, to allow guys to have strong run
after catch. But see Bagnola was like, look, we're going
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to just load the box. We're going to play man
and man on the outside, and we're going to make
Lamar hold the football. And if he holds the football,
we know that we're going to get pressure in his face.
If he beats us once, Okay, but we dare him
to be consistent in beating us and he couldn't hold up,
and so I think Tom Munkin got away from the
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game plan. As far as running the ball, I think
part of it is Lamar when pressure was on him,
and we saw it in other points in his career.
I go back two years ago when they were playing
the Miami Dolphins down in Miami, and Miami just was
like zero coverage, We're coming after you, and they got
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to him. Then you know, the following year they tried
the same thing and Lamar sliced invite them. So I
think a feast Bagnolo. His mindset was we bringing the pressure.
You're not going to run the football. We dare you
to beat us, and and it worked. And I think
that's where, Yeah, you know, people like yourself and you
know pretty much every person that has come up to me,
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you know during this off season is like, Kadrie, what happened, Kadrie.
We're going to run the ball. Yes, we're going to
run the ball. Yes we got King Henry, Yes he
is looking really good. Yes, Stanley, our offensive tackle on
the right or the left side, is looking really good
and strong. We're gonna be all right. So everybody calmed down.
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We're gonna be on well.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Let me ask you. I want a two part question
about Lamar.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
One, if that in Kansas City may switch it up right,
But if they do the same thing you mentioned him
learning against Miami, do you think he's better equipped.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Now to handle that.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
And secondly, he's lost fifteen pounds thirty pounds from two
years ago. My assumption is he's doing that so he
can run away from people again like he did earlier
in his career.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Remember he had the twenty one yard.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Run against the Chiefs and I think it was Lugerius
Sneid who kind of tracked him down, but Lamar kept
looking back like he wasn't even trying to run away
from him. But you know, in the past he would
have had the speed maybe to get outside and take
that to the house. So tell me about the weight
loss and do you think Lamar will be more prepared
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for what the Chiefs throw at him tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Yes, as far as his weight loss, I think he
is looking phenomenal. I think it was critical for him
to kind of, you know, lose the extra muscle, lose
some of the extra masks. This training camp. You know,
there were multiple times throughout training camp where you just
saw Lamar being explosive and just taking it to the
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end zone every single time, whether it be fifty to
sixty yards out, and more importantly, the way in which
he was able to actively recover by jogging back and
getting back into the huddle and just making another play
and not even being you know, winded or out of
shape as far as his recovery. So, I think for
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Lamar he felt like, yeah, his weight, the mask that
he had on was too much. He lightened it up.
It's going to be you know, another opportunity for him
to show his explosiveness when he needs it, which leads
me into the second part of your question when it
comes to Tom Monkin and the second year of their offense,
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where I'm hoping that Lamar, while he is lighter, he
doesn't necessarily have to feel like everything is on him
to make a big play, but rather use Derrick Henry,
use Rashad Bateman, use the Flowers, use your dynamic tight
ends and Mark Andrews and Isaiah Likely. So then when
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the defenses are trying to take away those other pieces,
that's when your explosiveness comes and works in your favor.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
No, that that's good stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Before you go ahead, Derrek Henry just yeah, yeah, I
just want to know just what do we expect from
Derek Henry? Like, are they going to work him like
a workhorse? You know what I mean, pick their spots?
Speaker 6 (18:01):
What what is he?
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yeah? I think you know, it's thunder and lightning time.
And I think for Derek Henry, we've seen him where.
You know, if you need to have him as the workhorse, great,
if you need to, you know, just allow him to
kind of tenderize a team and then finally bust off
the big one in the fourth quarter. Then so be it.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
I think I like that tender rise. I like that.
I like tender rise my steak before I cook it.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
I'm telling you it gives you the opportunity for your bicuspids.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
But just write it, listen to you.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
I think Derrick Henry is about to take it to
the next level and a lot of defenses this year.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
All right, that's our man. Kadri is my great stuff. Coadrey,
enjoy the game tomorrow as we suddenly.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Will I tell your brother Rocket, I said, what's up always?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Brother? Indeed, indeed, thank you, fellow.
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Speaker 4 (19:07):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You know Cleveland's a interesting then there are a lot
of interesting teams.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Cleveland last year made the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Great defense, probably the best defensive player in the league
in Miles Garrett. Uh run game is usually legit. I
think Kevin Stefanski is a good coach. They got Amari
Cooper as a receiver. That added Jerry Judy like David
and Joko a tity like.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
They got some talent.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
But the big question and one reason I'm leaving them
out of the playoffs is what about this Shawn Watson.
To me, that is the only question in Cleveland. Rob,
if he could get back to eighty.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Five percent good luck of what he was, then I
think he could.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You know, they could maybe be dangerous, but he has
been he's just been downright bad. And I know they
went five and one with him last year, but he
didn't play.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
It was darn near. It was basically in spite of him.
And here's he was asked Rob.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Whether he considers himself still to be one of the
league's elite quarterbacks. And simple answer he gave of course,
no doubt.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
He's only turns twenty nine in a week and a
half next Saturday. I mean, he's not too old to
get it back in theory. But what are your thoughts
on him saying and thinking he's still elite or even
being elite.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I mean, I'm not surprised. I like he should think.
I hope he really thinks that. I mean, what is
he gonna say? No, I'm chopped liver, you know what
I mean, Chris, Like, you're washed.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
I'm washed. You see this rag here, I'm washed.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
So we know that people are never going to say that.
But no, he's not a lead and he hasn't been
a lead. And I think that sometimes you look at people, Chris,
and you think they can go away from a game
at this level for a couple of years and come
back and everything's good, Like we just let me just
(21:22):
pick up where I left off. Something is missing, Okay,
it's very obvious, and I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
If it's the Russ factor that you know what I mean, Chris,
that he missed so much action, the confidence level and
then the injuries. So there's a there's there's a trifecta
there of things.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Well, remember he sat out and look, I think most
people feel like he is guilty of you know, the
sexual assault.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
It's just too much.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
It's just Chris, it's just too much.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I mean, it's a lot of I don't even remember
how many women.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Rob Genez sixty or something or like, how many women
that were involved in that thing.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
It wasn't like it was Chris, it was one or two.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And it's like he said, she said, like like you
could you could like put your head.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
And say, well, maybe they just did you never know.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Okay, but when that many women come forward and then
all the social media evidence that they had that he
had made contact with these women, he had flown the man.
They're just overwhelming evidence. And you know this, Rob, I
know you've talked to guys.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's surprising how many guys are siding with him on that.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
So I'm gonna say whether you.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Think he did it or not, but he first of all,
all of this he brought on.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Himself, thank you, and again he was doing it. Let
me say this, I don't mean he did. And even
bigger Chris, from this standpoint, if you knew you were
involved in that Chris, and you have all all of
the dms and you like all.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
That stuff is there.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Had he settled with the first woman, Chris, there's no
story and the other women don't come out of the
woodworks because they say, well, that happened to me too.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Do you under That's how important? That's how important.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
If you knew that you were involved in that stuff,
you could have easily And I'm just saying from a
business standpoint and not ruining your life.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Notwly did you lose your reputation, Chris?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
All the sponsors that he had, this guy was there
was a sponsor machine. And then all the money he
had to pay for lawyers. He had, like one of
the biggest women. That guy's named Rusty, Yeah, Rusty Harden Chris,
who's a big time lawyer, you know, much money. So
he lost endorsements and then they had to pay a
big time lawyer. All I'm saying is he did bring
(23:53):
this upon himself, well first.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Of all with the actions, and secondly, remember and be gay.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
And look, there.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Are people out there that think the Texans once he
shunned them, that they you know, got this stuff going.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I don't know all that.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
But remember when he was like, I'm not playing for
the Texans and sat out an entire year, Rob, and
then all this stuff started coming out, and Cleveland, desperate
as they were, give him this huge deal.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
He's only played.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Twelve games for the Browns in two years, so he
is rusty, I guess. But the problem Rob, you and look,
I get it. And Houston was a bad organization, right,
not that bad. They made the playoffs, right, he was
making the playoffs with him three what three straight years.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
When they signed that deal, Like, that's that's the issue
that I had had a chance, he had a chance
to get out of there if it was so bad,
Like he he didn't have to sign that.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
He signed a deal for like one hundred and sixty and.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
They made the play playoffs two years.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
But you and I always say this, So you're right,
first of all, you signed the deal, and I get
you want the money. But still you and I say
this all the time. We said it about Joe Burrow,
and we can say it about Steve C. J. Stroud
who went to the same woe be gone organization at
deshonn And look, if you are that guy, and DeShawn
(25:20):
was that guy, you can turn a franchise around.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Joe Burrow did it with the Brown Remember when everybody.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Was telling Joe Burrow, don't go there, don't he should
should don't go to the We were like, he's from Ohio,
and if you're going to beat that guy, you go
there and you beat.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
It the guy.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
You make him good.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
And that's what they they those two guys did, and DeShawn,
quite frankly, Rob was doing that with the Texans. They
were making the playoffs with him there. But now here's
what I wonder, Rob, And I don't know the answer.
I wonder because you said it, DeShawn watched it. He
was not just he was not like a non descript
(26:01):
star where everybody star, but nobody knew about what he
was like as a person. Every his character was thought
to be unimpeachable. Damosweeney said he was Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
I mean he was.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
He was viewed as, you know, a religious guy and
like community service and all that, Like he had a
pristine reputation.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
And I wonder, Rob, and again I don't know if
this is.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
The truth, but I just wonder, does the collapse of
his public persona has that did that rock him so
much mentally that he just can't recover because you know,
everywhere you go and there's a few guys out there,
like we said that that are with him. But you
(26:54):
know when you walk into a room, when you walk
into a press conference, when you walk into a restaurant.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
People are looking at you. I'm just gonna keep it
real like you're preferred it.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
And that I wonder has that messed up his psyche
so much that he just can't play at the level
that he used to.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
And I do want to remind people Chris.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Back in twenty twenty with the Texans, Watson led the
NFL in passing Chris four eight twenty three yards and
was named to the Pro Bowl for the third time
in four years. That's how that's where he was pinnacle
right since joining the Browns, Watson's forty one point nine
quarter QBR Chris six lowest in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
That's where he is.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
That that was twenty twenty and now six lowest QBR
in the NFL. And you might be on the something
because he did take a public hit on his uh
what's the right his image?
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Yeah? His image here? Yeah, yeah, I mean that that
is a that's.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
A blow and people look at you differently because of
what people thought you were.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Chris.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
It's not like they didn't know or you weren't attached
to anything, right, you were attached to good If you
were Dennis, right, it would have been okay, all right,
or you know, then they pulled the curtains back, you
know what I mean? Okay, So I'm not shocked by it,
but Deshaun Watson, I think people were shocked.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, And I look, if that is the case, and
he should have it seems like he should have been
getting therapy anyway. And I would imagine he's had some therapy.
I think he's certainly talked about talking to counters. I
don't know if it was more in relation to, you know,
just his legal issues or whatever, but you know, you
(28:49):
would think he'd tried to talk to somebody to get over.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Whether it's that what I described. There seems to be.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Some type of mental block there though, because you're talking
about it.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Guy, he's only twenty he's not even twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yet, right, he should be able to get it back,
at least physically. And so if it's a mental issue,
go talk to some.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
People, right, and especially now it's a couple of years now,
It's not like we got it the first time. He
was still suspended, Chris, he missed time, you know, and
trying to get acclimated, so you you kind of gave
him a pass on that. Last year had a full
off season, right and then training camp, so everybody thought, okay,
like he should be acclimated now, and that didn't happen.
(29:33):
But I still to this day, I just wonder, does
he sit up looking at the ceiling, you know, at night,
saying why did I pay that one hundred thousand.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Dollars or whatever?
Speaker 4 (29:43):
It was?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Seriously like that was that was one of those tactical
errors that cost him.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
I just cannot get over it.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Well, you know, Rob we I mean we've covered athletes
for decades, and I you are almost can't blame him.
Sometimes you can think you're teftlneep. I mean you you
you got all the money in the world. Everybody phones
over you, Everybody does whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
You want them to do.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Remember it came out that the Texans were, you know,
he was getting these hotel rooms for his massages, and
the Texans were, you know, involved in that. Like people
are doing whatever you want them to do, and you're
and Rob look for all the women that came out
again speculation, My guess is that some of the women
(30:35):
he hit on, not not necessarily the ones that came
out and accused him.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
But some of them he got what he wanted, or
he wouldn't have kept doing it.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I don't think no, no, right, and it was it
wasn't We're not talking about two or three women.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
We're talking about a ton.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
So you you start thinking you can get a you know, man,
this won't stick.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I'm Deshaun Watson, right, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
But boy did they on the rest of when you
have to go shell out the money he shelled out
for the Chris, when you got to fight these a
lot of people set a lot of court because of
what the expense is. Like, like, it's not that you
you think you couldn't win a case or maybe it's
not as bad as they make it out to be,
but what it'll cost you?
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Is it worth it?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Right now? You're right? Had he paid it? Had he
paid it?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
You know, because didn't it happened? Didn't happen to Bill
Cosby too? Wasn't it like there was one person and a.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Lot I think by the end it was like sixty
was it sixty women with Bill Cosby.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Somebody was a lot that ended up coming out well.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
But and then they remember that the judge unsealed one
of those things where he paid off a woman and
admitted that he had drugged or something. You remember that,
like there was unsealed, There was supposed to be sealed,
and it became unsealed.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
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