September 7, 2024 • 30 mins
Chris and Rob debate whether or not it’s fair to say that Patrick Mahomes is ‘Jordan-Esque’ and should be viewed as the favorite to win the NFL MVP every year, explain why all the criticism Dak Prescott has received for failing to advance deep in the postseason is completely warranted and tell us why it’s unreasonable for Deion Sanders to suggest that Travis Hunter can play both sides of the ball in the NFL.
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NFL executives spoke to The Athletic twenty seven of them
to be exact, they were anonymous, so they you know,
shared their true feelings, and eighteen of the twenty six
Pickpatrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
To be the MVP. He is my pick as well.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
And one GM said this Rob, and this is really
stuck in your crawl.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's hard not to say Mahomes. He's Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
You know I've been saying that.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I claimed that I was the first to say it
six years ago in his first year as a starter,
fifty touchdowns over five thousand yards MVP.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I said, this dude.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Is Jordanesque or going to be Jordan esk And there
it is your thought.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So he's wrong and you're wrong, absolutely prisoner of the moment.
I expect better from nl NFL executives. But this is
a lame, easy, lazy pick to pick Patrick Mahomes as
the MVP. Last year. He did not have an MVVPCI
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now twist. Okay, he didn't play well, and you can
blame it whatever you want to blame it on, but
it didn't blame well, the numbers weren't good.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Can we just acknowledge that, right? The numbers during the
regular sat in the overstated he didn't have a great year.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Obviously came through in the super Bowl and you know,
playoffs in general, but for him it was a down year.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But it was a regular season award, So we can't
we're not talking about that, Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
No, he should. He was not even in the conversation
exactly rightly.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So, and for this executive to say, Michael Jordani wins
it every year, first of all, Michael jordan never didn't
win it every year as great as he was.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Okay, so that doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Whatever, maybe whoever did the poll or whatever could have said, well,
Michael didn't win it ten years in a row. So
so what are you saying? And then here's the other party.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Was kind of making a you know, he didn't mean
he's gonna win it every year.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And last year Mahomes threw for forty one hundred yards
Chris twenty seven touchdowns, both were his second lowest mark
of his career as a starter, and he had a
career high fourteen interceptions in seventeen games. So that's what
we're talking about. Rob g Rob, he's not even in
the room. Alex sent me this. Thank you, Alex. And
here's the best part. As Patrick Mahomes played in the
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NFL the last five years, Yeah he has, right, yes,
but somehow two quarterbacks who are still playing actually won
four of the five MVPs during the Patrick Mahomes era.
During the Michael Jordan era, Aaron Rodgers won twice and
Lamar Jackson won twice. Right, and Lamar Jackson in the
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Patrick Mahomes era, what all the first place votes except
one in two of the voting times when he won
the MVP.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
So my only point is, Chris.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Just like when everybody who was the former baseball player
was it Ccsabathew who said every every year, just give
it to show hair.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
No, I don't think it was Yeah, it was CC.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Okay, yeah, just like I know you're thinking about no.
CC said he was gonna beat Aaron Judger, right, it was.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
It was JD. Martinez, Chris. JD. Martinez said every year,
just give it to show.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Hey, And of course Aaron Judge beat him right one
year when they were head to head, not a different leagues.
It won't matter, but Aaron Judge beat him with the
historic season. All I'm saying is Patrick Mahomes in the
last five years has won one of the MVPs, and
the other two guys Aaron Rodgers and especially Lamar who
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won just one vote shy of being unanimous twice, which
is incredible considering I think Chris only two guys have
done it right, Tom Brady and Lamar almost did it
for a second time, where nobody's only done it once twice,
which is incredible. It really is talks about his impact
and whatnot and his play. I just I don't think
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it's automatic that he's gonna be MVP.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
That's my pot.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Look, if you're taking the quote literally, I am, I
gotta go by oone and yeah, of course, I mean
not gonna win it every year and Michael, but that
does not change the comparison to Jordan, because to your point,
Jordan didn't win it every year, and Jordan rob was.
(05:03):
We know he was the best player for ten straight
years and you maybe even more.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And he didn't win the MVP every year.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
He went multiple seasons straight without getting an MVP. And
so whether it's voter fatigue, I will give you that.
Mahomes last year did not have.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
An MVP season. So there's no question about that.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
But when I say it said Jordan esk, I mean
and again it doesn't mean nobody ever eats. Because Jordan
played fifteen years thirteen with the Bulls, he won six championships.
That means seven years with the Bulls he didn't win it.
But once he started winning, no one else ate. Now
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it's not exact because to your point, other quarterbacks Matthew Stafford,
Tom Brady have won super during the Mahomes era, if
you will, but he has been keeping a lot of
quarterbacks from eating. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, like dudes,
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he and he's not gonna win even the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
He's not gonna win it every year. Tom Brady won seven.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's more than any franchise in what twenty one how
many years to Brady twenty one twenty four years? That's
like one every that's thirty something percent of the time.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Don't even know if you forget about it. Tomboy had
two separate careers. It was a middle career and was.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Great that he individually, right individually, he became like an elite,
you know, statistically elite where he wasn't that early in
his career, in his first few Super Bowls. But my
point is just that row I do think Mahomes rob
what he's doing is he is dominating the sport to
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the similar degree that Michael Jordan did. It was like
it was no question who's the best player in the league.
Who cares who won it? If you Carl Malone was
never better than Michael Jordan. Charles Barkley was never better
than Michael Jordan. But they won MVPs on his watch,
you know. And and who Lamar is not better than
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Michael or than Patrick Mahomes And none of.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
You has quarterback better. He's played better, he hasn't thrown
the ball better, but he's run back the two years
that he won unanimous. But no one even when he
plays better. He ain't better. Yeah, but it's not. That's
not how this dude is clear the best. He's the
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best quarterback in the league. He didn't look like the
next quarterback last year, Christian he counted.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And then there's the other part is he looked like
he's so great that two years in a row you
voted it, you bet against him. You didn't even think
he was gonna win the last two super bowl So well,
there's a question mark in your mind, yes.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Or no, to win the Super Bowl. He's the best quarterback.
I just robbed. That's that. I'm telling you, Tom Brady,
in my.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
View, as the go he won super Bowls about thirty
percent of his career.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You don't win it every year.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Joe Montana four super Bowls, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
How many years did he not win it? Way more
than four.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So even if I think Patrick Mahomes is the best
quarterback in the league, doesn't mean I'm gonna pick him
to win the Super.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Bowl every year one. It doesn't happen too. It is
a team sport.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
If you don't have the defense, if you don't have heck,
last year he won it with some receivers that couldn't
catch could not catch a cold, thankfully had Travis Kelsey.
So you know, if football, nobody's gonna win it every year.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
But that dude is Jordan Esk.
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Brandon Cooks, the number two receiver on the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
The much maligned number two receiver. I my add. He
had this to say about those that want to be
critical of Dak. I mean, it's last meet.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
It's it's unbelievable. I mean, the guy shows up every
yr year in the year out putting up numbers, leading
his team. He can't do it all about himself, right.
You know, a lot of those great quarterbacks that I've
been with, Tom and Drew, they don't get me wrong,
in one of all the games, won a lot of
Super Bowls, but they had a lot of help around
them as well, Right, And so US players around them
also got to step up. And so when we hear
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that disrespect, you know, I take that personally and ask
his teammates, we should take that personally because at the
end of the day, somebody got to be able to
help him get over.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That hump so we can go win one.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Chris, not only is it not blasphemy, it's the gospel.
And there's plenty, plenty of evidence to point why people
question Dak Prescott. It ain't like Chris, he had one
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bad playoff game or something, and the sample size is
so small and it's not fair. Come on, come on,
and some bad games Chris at home green Bay.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Rolled over them. That contributed to it. He turned the
ball over, he put the defense in bad spots. What
are you not watching?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
You remember a couple of years ago against the forty
nine ers at home, Chris, their offense was putrid, Dak
played poorly, nobody. I don't think it's unfair. When you
have a track record and it's a good sample size,
people have a right to look at you the same way, Chris.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
They used to do it with Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
He's a great regular season quarterback until he started to win.
That's what they said, because his postseasons weren't good enough.
And people have a if you have enough sample sized, Chris,
to look at you in that light. I don't think
that anybody's done anything that is like disrespectful or Oh,
(12:10):
I can't believe that they don't think they criticize Dak
or they don't think he's a great quarterback. I'm sorry,
there's enough out there that I think people can use
it against him.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
No, you're you're right on the money.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And Brandon Cooks, he's standing up for a teammate. We
get it, right, We understand it as his quarterback. He
needs his quarterback, right, So you know, he may very
well feel that way, or he may just be saying
what's politically correct. But either way, did Trent McDuffie get hurt?
(12:49):
Looks like, yeah, I'm not sure, but uh but no,
you're you're right on the money.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
First of all, Dak has gotten to the level he
has been a good regular season quarterback.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Last year he was second in the MVP voting.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
He's reached a level where you're going to get criticized
if you don't produce in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Rob, what were we saying about Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Right until he wins the Super Bowl, people are gonna
be like, he can't. That's what comes with better quarterbacks.
This is what I say to Brandon Cooks. Much better
quarterbacks than Dak Prescott are getting criticized. We just started
Lamar Jackson. Two time MVP. Lamar Jackson, a unanimous MVP,
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has been to the AFC Championship Game, which you can't
say in the NFC, and he's getting criticized.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Peyton Manning, who changed the game the way the.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Position is played as a quarterback, won two MVPs before
winning his first Super Bowl, and you said it, Rob
was criticized.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Was criticized like anybody else, Michael Jordan in those early years, Chris,
those first seven years.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Oh he's a great player.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
He don't make anybody better, and he's a great player,
but I don't know if he'll ever win.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Magic and Larry. That's what they said.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Can you imagine people said that that they didn't think
Michael Jordan was gonna win.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I know, come on, Chris, we could go back, go
back and read it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Oh he's exciting, his shoes look good, yep, all that
he makes good, come fly with me, videos, good commercials.
But he can't win. He not Magic, he not Bird.
They said all of that. So you're in good company.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Dak. Let me give you some numbers.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Dak against rookie brock Purty Chris twenty three for thirty
seven two hundred and six yards, one touchdown, two interceptions.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Dak at home versus.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
The forty nine ers and Jimmy g twenty three for
forty three two fifty four to one touchdown, one interception,
took five sacks.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
So I'm just saying, when you start looking at this,
and since.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
They claimed last year, people didn't want to have this
revisionist history. But oh it was the defense, and the
defense wasn't good either, but Dak wasn't helping them at all.
Two interceptions in the first half, Rode what a pick six?
And come on, what do we and you're not scoring?
And now you say this about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Your defense did not hold up and you know, stop
the opposing team, but you weren't scoring either, Right, so
it goes both ways. We were not exonerating the defense,
but we're not exonerating Dak either.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
And here it is.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Since claiming that franchise last Super Bowl Chris the nineteen
ninety five season, Dallas hasn't advanced past the Divisional round,
where it is zero and seven, the worst in the
NFL during that span. That's why I'm talking about the
Jerry Jones and I mean, yeah, Jerry Jones and where
they are.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
But during the Super Bowl era.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Since nineteen sixty seven, there have been just five quarterbacks
who have played in at least three division the round
games Chris without winning at least one. This is part
the NFL research. Two of those three quarterbacks, you ready,
Tony Romo owing three and Dak Prescott owing three. And
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Tony Romo's career was the same Chris. They couldn't get
over the hump. I remember he had great, some great
regular seasons.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yep, he did, he really did. It was very similar,
to be honest, very similar. Tony Romo was a star.
Tony Romo was a celebrity. He wasn't, like, you know,
in that upper crust of quarterbacks, but he was right
below him.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
And that's Dak. That's Dak.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
And so no, it is it's far from blasphemy blasts
for people to be critical of Dak.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Prescott robbed.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You said, you lost to Jimmy g you lost to
Brock Purdy, you lost to Jordan Love.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Dudes with no playoff experience, right, and I get it.
It's a team game.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
But again, you help put your team in the bad
positions that it was in that helped it lose. And look,
there's two schools of thought. There's if you don't pay Dak, where.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Do you go?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You're risking you're playing Russian Roulette with your quarterback position. Right,
you might go another five ten years without getting a
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
So even if.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Dak isn't you know all that, he is good enough
to get you twelve wins and into the tournament.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And then there's the other school.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
That thought we talked about Rob, where you know what,
you should just move on. You should just move on
because he can't win you a super Bowl, and so
it'll be interesting. It's a huge year. I do think that.
Like I said, I really still think that there's a
great chance that they pay Dak Prescott tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
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Speaker 4 (18:31):
Interesting stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Now we know Colorado coached by Dion Sanders. Big game
against Nebraska tomorrow. Wow, that's gonna be a good one.
Of course, Nebraska has the quarterback they call Baby Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Is that what they call him? Baby Mahomes. Rayola is
his last what's his first name? Grob Gi Dylan Rayola.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah, nice, looks just like Mahomes and tries to look
just like well but good player. But Nebraskays had a
winning season in like seven years. Matt rule of coach
the coach there now, But I kind of think they'll
beat Colorado and Colorado Dion of course, always talking, willing
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to talk, and they got the Travis Hunter two way player,
great wide receiver, great cornerback, a lot of.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
People talking about him, maybe even winning the Heisman.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
And Dion, who knows a little something about going both
ways in the NFL, of course, are probably the greatest
defensive back cornerback ever and also played a little bit.
He didn't really go both ways, but played, you know,
a little bit of wide receiver in the NFL. Here's
what he said about Travis's chances of playing both ways
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at the next level.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Former NFL players sit on these type of platforms and
all the kind of platforms and giving them voice. Now
sit up there and say what this man can't do
at the next level?
Speaker 9 (20:04):
Right?
Speaker 4 (20:04):
How stupid is that?
Speaker 8 (20:06):
How can you say what a person can't do just
because you can't fathom it. Yeah, no one has seen
a guy go both ways like he goes, and you say,
well you can't do Yeah, yes he can. That's what
he does. That's all he knows. So how you going
to tell it? Man what he can't do? And the
scouts asks me every day what is he? I say,
he's a football player. If you put him on offense
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in the NFL. You don't have him on defense, you
going to look like a fool because he's going to
be your best defensive player not playing, and the same
thing vice versa. So the best thing for you to
do is drafting them whatever it had to have a
package ready for him on the opposing side.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
All right, you heard it now, Rob g Was it
the Athletic that had an article about this?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
It was CBS Sports.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
Right after these comments came out, which were actually less
than forty eight hours ago, CBS Sports caught up with
a few anonymous NFL personnel individuals and they asked him
about whether or not.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Now these are executives like executive salid.
Speaker 9 (21:03):
Well personnel people. How they described it, and they spoke
to two of them. One of them says, quote about
the idea of Travis under playing both ways in the NFL,
there's no way at his size, in his body frame,
that he could play seventeen games in the NFL at
over one hundred naps a game and really maintain that
level performance. Maybe there's someone that dabbles into something like
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he's a full time receiver and then a part time
nickel on defense. Another scout who actually was a little
bit more optimistic said this. I know several scouts of
that same opinion that he's a better receiver prospect than
he is a corner. When I watched him this summer,
I was thinking receiver over corner. And I think it's
ultimately gonna come down to where he wants to play.
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But I think he can play both or play either.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Well, Rob, he's listed at six ' one one a five. Now,
Rob G doesn't think he's six to one. He thinks
he's more like five to ten either way. Right, we
see ex cornerbacks. We used to see him all the
time at ESPN, we see him at FS one. These
dudes are not tall, They're not that big like some
of them. I'm bigger than You've seen that too, Rob,
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And I know it's amazing something, it really is. You're like,
my goodness, how this dude play in the NFL. But
their speed and you know a lot of corners aren't
great tacklers. Even Dion wasn't a great tackler. So they're
out there for their speed and the cover guys. But Rob,
what do you think of his chances of playing both
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ways in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Slim to none?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I just think you have too many people who just
aren't going to be open to it. It's almost like
the show, Hey, Chris, like a lot of people just.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
You know, were.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Not that gung ho about it either until you know
the guy want end up doing it and then and
the only way you could get him was he went
to the Angels and they were going to allow him
to do it.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
And obviously excelled.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I think the NFL's tougher playing that many snaps on
both sides of the ball. A little bit different, remember,
I just like, like it used to be done. We
see you in up what high school? Right, guys play
the best athletes they played both ways. But that's so
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but that's yeah, that's what I'm saying. But it's but
it's uh, it's eight games, Chris, and it's not the same.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Kind of thing. If you're an NFL prospect, you're so
much better.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
You know, Right, That's what I'm saying. I just I
just don't think that it's gonna happen. I really don't.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yeah. I mean, Dion, like I said, did it a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Remember Roy Green, Uh, he in the eighties, he did
it for Saint Louis Carter's a little bit.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I agree with you that, I mean, can you do
it and be.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I don't think somebody can be great at both Rob,
And if I'm Travis Hunter, I get that he wants
to try, and I respect that, but I would think
Rob if he focuses on one, and I do like
him more as a receiver.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
I mean, a cornerback is fine too.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I mean, he's a top prospect in either position, but
I think I think he's a better receiver.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
He obviously has great hands.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
The catch he made a couple of weeks or was
it last week against North Dakota State was phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I don't care that you're playing a Division one double
a school.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
That was a great catch with the dude draped all
over him, and really I thought it was past interference clearly.
So I think he's probably a better receiver prospect.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
But if I'm Travis.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Hunter, Rob, I would rather be awesome at one position
than just solid at both. And I think it's going
to be incredibly difficult for somebody to play in the
NFL and be like all pro level or even Pro
Bowl level, consistent Pro Bowl, perennial Pro Bowl level at both.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I just.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I think that would be incredibly difficult to do, just
physically and even mentally.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah, I do think that.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Trying to be great at both Chris is the issue.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
And why do you want to be great?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Why not make a career and be great at the
one thing you do the best or the one thing
that you think you can excel because the only way.
And I know it's different than show Hey, but Chris,
if he was a C, if he was a C pitcher,
he wouldn't be doing it, you know what I mean, Well,
like you wouldn't be doing it.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
He probably even if he had done it early, like
the last few years, now he's hurt, you know, as
far as pitching, he probably would be done as a picture,
you know what I mean, even if they had let
him do it this first few years he gets hurt,
has Tommy John, and now he's he did have Tommy John,
didn't he show hey?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, and he uh, you know, they probably wouldn't be
thinking of him as a picture anymore. Rop they probably
just be saying, you're gonna hit the season he's had, right,
So yeah, look, Dion makes a good point. I mean,
we didn't think it was possible to do what Show
hay Right is doing, and he's done it. So, but
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I look as great as Travis Huntery is, I don't
And this is no insult rap. I don't think he's
Deon Sanders like that level. Deon Sanders arguably the greatest
athlete in American history arguably, and I don't think this
kid is that as great as he is so and
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Dion didn't do it both ways full.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Time, So I don't know, Rob G, where are you
at on this? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (27:14):
I think it's unreasonable to expect him to be able
to play both ways in the NFL, and especially when
it's not like we haven't seen this even recently in college.
You know, Miles Jackie UCLA played the linebacker and running back,
Chris Gamble to Ohio State played receiver in corner, Charles Woodson.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Won iven right, right right, and then even.
Speaker 9 (27:33):
With Travis Hunter specifically, not only is it, you know,
the skill level of being able to play at the
highest level both offense and defense, just being out there
for one hundred plus snaps, the risk of injury is
much higher, so even last year, his first year playing
major college football, because you know, when you played Jackson
State wasn't the greatest athletes, no destruction of them. He
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missed a month with the last rate of kidney, so
it was a cheap shot. Are we sure you're gonna
be able to make it through an entire season playing
one hundred and thirty snaps a game.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
I just don't think it's physically, you know, possible. Yeah, yeah,
I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
If somebody wants to give him a try at it, fine,
But look the NFL, and guys see this at every position.
I mean Division I football at the top level is incredible,
and then you weed out the guys in that and
take the ultra elite, and that's what the next level is.
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Guys always talk about the speed in the NFL, the
size in the NFL. It's not what he's facing right now.
It's not It's not even close. And so you're talking
about the fastest guys, the strongest guys, the most skilled
guys at the next level. And to think he's gonna
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play the entire game in both ways and be better
than the defensive backs who are just focusing on that,
and better than the receivers who are just focusing on that, that's.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
A lot to ask.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That is a lot of chance and I understand, Chris,
you want to do something, and Dion's pushing for his
guy and yeah, so he's doing it in college. Not
that many people are doing anything like that. So I
get all that, but it's a tall order. And then
Deon is like, well, people up there saying what he
can't do or whatever, but that's what what what? That's
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where the job of being an analyst. Dion was an
analyst and we've never seen it. It's not like you
know what I mean, brown their minds. There's a reason
people don't do it right. These are the best athletes
in the world and nobody does it. And that's what
I'm saying, Like he's making it like, oh, how can
they say that telling what another man can do?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
What?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That's that's where they ask us, do we think we
could you could do it right?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I can disagree with their opinion, but you can't rip
on them for not thinking it could be done right
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NFL executives spoke to The Athletic twenty seven of them
to be exact, they were anonymous, so they you know,
shared their true feelings, and eighteen of the twenty six
Pickpatrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
To be the MVP. He is my pick as well.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
And one GM said this Rob, and this is really
stuck in your crawl.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's hard not to say Mahomes. He's Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
You know I've been saying that.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I claimed that I was the first to say it
six years ago in his first year as a starter,
fifty touchdowns over five thousand yards MVP.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I said, this dude.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Is Jordanesque or going to be Jordan esk And there
it is your thought.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So he's wrong and you're wrong, absolutely prisoner of the moment.
I expect better from nl NFL executives. But this is
a lame, easy, lazy pick to pick Patrick Mahomes as
the MVP. Last year. He did not have an MVVPCI
(01:41):
now twist. Okay, he didn't play well, and you can
blame it whatever you want to blame it on, but
it didn't blame well, the numbers weren't good.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Can we just acknowledge that, right? The numbers during the
regular sat in the overstated he didn't have a great year.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Obviously came through in the super Bowl and you know,
playoffs in general, but for him it was a down year.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But it was a regular season award, So we can't
we're not talking about that, Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
No, he should. He was not even in the conversation
exactly rightly.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So, and for this executive to say, Michael Jordani wins
it every year, first of all, Michael jordan never didn't
win it every year as great as he was.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Okay, so that doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Whatever, maybe whoever did the poll or whatever could have said, well,
Michael didn't win it ten years in a row. So
so what are you saying? And then here's the other party.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Was kind of making a you know, he didn't mean
he's gonna win it every year.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And last year Mahomes threw for forty one hundred yards
Chris twenty seven touchdowns, both were his second lowest mark
of his career as a starter, and he had a
career high fourteen interceptions in seventeen games. So that's what
we're talking about. Rob g Rob, he's not even in
the room. Alex sent me this. Thank you, Alex. And
here's the best part. As Patrick Mahomes played in the
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NFL the last five years, Yeah he has, right, yes,
but somehow two quarterbacks who are still playing actually won
four of the five MVPs during the Patrick Mahomes era.
During the Michael Jordan era, Aaron Rodgers won twice and
Lamar Jackson won twice. Right, and Lamar Jackson in the
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Patrick Mahomes era, what all the first place votes except
one in two of the voting times when he won
the MVP.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
So my only point is, Chris.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Just like when everybody who was the former baseball player
was it Ccsabathew who said every every year, just give
it to show hair.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
No, I don't think it was Yeah, it was CC.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Okay, yeah, just like I know you're thinking about no.
CC said he was gonna beat Aaron Judger, right, it was.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
It was JD. Martinez, Chris. JD. Martinez said every year,
just give it to show.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Hey, And of course Aaron Judge beat him right one
year when they were head to head, not a different leagues.
It won't matter, but Aaron Judge beat him with the
historic season. All I'm saying is Patrick Mahomes in the
last five years has won one of the MVPs, and
the other two guys Aaron Rodgers and especially Lamar who
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won just one vote shy of being unanimous twice, which
is incredible considering I think Chris only two guys have
done it right, Tom Brady and Lamar almost did it
for a second time, where nobody's only done it once twice,
which is incredible. It really is talks about his impact
and whatnot and his play. I just I don't think
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it's automatic that he's gonna be MVP.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
That's my pot.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Look, if you're taking the quote literally, I am, I
gotta go by oone and yeah, of course, I mean
not gonna win it every year and Michael, but that
does not change the comparison to Jordan, because to your point,
Jordan didn't win it every year, and Jordan rob was.
(05:03):
We know he was the best player for ten straight
years and you maybe even more.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And he didn't win the MVP every year.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
He went multiple seasons straight without getting an MVP. And
so whether it's voter fatigue, I will give you that.
Mahomes last year did not have.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
An MVP season. So there's no question about that.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
But when I say it said Jordan esk, I mean
and again it doesn't mean nobody ever eats. Because Jordan
played fifteen years thirteen with the Bulls, he won six championships.
That means seven years with the Bulls he didn't win it.
But once he started winning, no one else ate. Now
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it's not exact because to your point, other quarterbacks Matthew Stafford,
Tom Brady have won super during the Mahomes era, if
you will, but he has been keeping a lot of
quarterbacks from eating. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, like dudes,
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he and he's not gonna win even the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
He's not gonna win it every year. Tom Brady won seven.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's more than any franchise in what twenty one how
many years to Brady twenty one twenty four years? That's
like one every that's thirty something percent of the time.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Don't even know if you forget about it. Tomboy had
two separate careers. It was a middle career and was.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Great that he individually, right individually, he became like an elite,
you know, statistically elite where he wasn't that early in
his career, in his first few Super Bowls. But my
point is just that row I do think Mahomes rob
what he's doing is he is dominating the sport to
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the similar degree that Michael Jordan did. It was like
it was no question who's the best player in the league.
Who cares who won it? If you Carl Malone was
never better than Michael Jordan. Charles Barkley was never better
than Michael Jordan. But they won MVPs on his watch,
you know. And and who Lamar is not better than
(07:25):
Michael or than Patrick Mahomes And none of.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
You has quarterback better. He's played better, he hasn't thrown
the ball better, but he's run back the two years
that he won unanimous. But no one even when he
plays better. He ain't better. Yeah, but it's not. That's
not how this dude is clear the best. He's the
(07:51):
best quarterback in the league. He didn't look like the
next quarterback last year, Christian he counted.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And then there's the other part is he looked like
he's so great that two years in a row you
voted it, you bet against him. You didn't even think
he was gonna win the last two super bowl So well,
there's a question mark in your mind, yes.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Or no, to win the Super Bowl. He's the best quarterback.
I just robbed. That's that. I'm telling you, Tom Brady,
in my.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
View, as the go he won super Bowls about thirty
percent of his career.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You don't win it every year.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Joe Montana four super Bowls, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
How many years did he not win it? Way more
than four.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So even if I think Patrick Mahomes is the best
quarterback in the league, doesn't mean I'm gonna pick him
to win the Super.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Bowl every year one. It doesn't happen too. It is
a team sport.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
If you don't have the defense, if you don't have heck,
last year he won it with some receivers that couldn't
catch could not catch a cold, thankfully had Travis Kelsey.
So you know, if football, nobody's gonna win it every year.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
But that dude is Jordan Esk.
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Brandon Cooks, the number two receiver on the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
The much maligned number two receiver. I my add. He
had this to say about those that want to be
critical of Dak. I mean, it's last meet.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
It's it's unbelievable. I mean, the guy shows up every
yr year in the year out putting up numbers, leading
his team. He can't do it all about himself, right.
You know, a lot of those great quarterbacks that I've
been with, Tom and Drew, they don't get me wrong,
in one of all the games, won a lot of
Super Bowls, but they had a lot of help around
them as well, Right, And so US players around them
also got to step up. And so when we hear
(10:31):
that disrespect, you know, I take that personally and ask
his teammates, we should take that personally because at the
end of the day, somebody got to be able to
help him get over.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That hump so we can go win one.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Chris, not only is it not blasphemy, it's the gospel.
And there's plenty, plenty of evidence to point why people
question Dak Prescott. It ain't like Chris, he had one
(11:01):
bad playoff game or something, and the sample size is
so small and it's not fair. Come on, come on,
and some bad games Chris at home green Bay.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Rolled over them. That contributed to it. He turned the
ball over, he put the defense in bad spots. What
are you not watching?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
You remember a couple of years ago against the forty
nine ers at home, Chris, their offense was putrid, Dak
played poorly, nobody. I don't think it's unfair. When you
have a track record and it's a good sample size,
people have a right to look at you the same way, Chris.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
They used to do it with Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
He's a great regular season quarterback until he started to win.
That's what they said, because his postseasons weren't good enough.
And people have a if you have enough sample sized, Chris,
to look at you in that light. I don't think
that anybody's done anything that is like disrespectful or Oh,
(12:10):
I can't believe that they don't think they criticize Dak
or they don't think he's a great quarterback. I'm sorry,
there's enough out there that I think people can use
it against him.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
No, you're you're right on the money.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And Brandon Cooks, he's standing up for a teammate. We
get it, right, We understand it as his quarterback. He
needs his quarterback, right, So you know, he may very
well feel that way, or he may just be saying
what's politically correct. But either way, did Trent McDuffie get hurt?
(12:49):
Looks like, yeah, I'm not sure, but uh but no,
you're you're right on the money.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
First of all, Dak has gotten to the level he
has been a good regular season quarterback.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Last year he was second in the MVP voting.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
He's reached a level where you're going to get criticized
if you don't produce in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Rob, what were we saying about Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Right until he wins the Super Bowl, people are gonna
be like, he can't. That's what comes with better quarterbacks.
This is what I say to Brandon Cooks. Much better
quarterbacks than Dak Prescott are getting criticized. We just started
Lamar Jackson. Two time MVP. Lamar Jackson, a unanimous MVP,
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has been to the AFC Championship Game, which you can't
say in the NFC, and he's getting criticized.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Peyton Manning, who changed the game the way the.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Position is played as a quarterback, won two MVPs before
winning his first Super Bowl, and you said it, Rob
was criticized.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Was criticized like anybody else, Michael Jordan in those early years, Chris,
those first seven years.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Oh he's a great player.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
He don't make anybody better, and he's a great player,
but I don't know if he'll ever win.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Magic and Larry. That's what they said.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Can you imagine people said that that they didn't think
Michael Jordan was gonna win.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I know, come on, Chris, we could go back, go
back and read it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Oh he's exciting, his shoes look good, yep, all that
he makes good, come fly with me, videos, good commercials.
But he can't win. He not Magic, he not Bird.
They said all of that. So you're in good company.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Dak. Let me give you some numbers.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Dak against rookie brock Purty Chris twenty three for thirty
seven two hundred and six yards, one touchdown, two interceptions.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Dak at home versus.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
The forty nine ers and Jimmy g twenty three for
forty three two fifty four to one touchdown, one interception,
took five sacks.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
So I'm just saying, when you start looking at this,
and since.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
They claimed last year, people didn't want to have this
revisionist history. But oh it was the defense, and the
defense wasn't good either, but Dak wasn't helping them at all.
Two interceptions in the first half, Rode what a pick six?
And come on, what do we and you're not scoring?
And now you say this about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Your defense did not hold up and you know, stop
the opposing team, but you weren't scoring either, Right, so
it goes both ways. We were not exonerating the defense,
but we're not exonerating Dak either.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
And here it is.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Since claiming that franchise last Super Bowl Chris the nineteen
ninety five season, Dallas hasn't advanced past the Divisional round,
where it is zero and seven, the worst in the
NFL during that span. That's why I'm talking about the
Jerry Jones and I mean, yeah, Jerry Jones and where
they are.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
But during the Super Bowl era.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Since nineteen sixty seven, there have been just five quarterbacks
who have played in at least three division the round
games Chris without winning at least one. This is part
the NFL research. Two of those three quarterbacks, you ready,
Tony Romo owing three and Dak Prescott owing three. And
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Tony Romo's career was the same Chris. They couldn't get
over the hump. I remember he had great, some great
regular seasons.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yep, he did, he really did. It was very similar,
to be honest, very similar. Tony Romo was a star.
Tony Romo was a celebrity. He wasn't, like, you know,
in that upper crust of quarterbacks, but he was right
below him.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
And that's Dak. That's Dak.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
And so no, it is it's far from blasphemy blasts
for people to be critical of Dak.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Prescott robbed.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You said, you lost to Jimmy g you lost to
Brock Purdy, you lost to Jordan Love.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Dudes with no playoff experience, right, and I get it.
It's a team game.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
But again, you help put your team in the bad
positions that it was in that helped it lose. And look,
there's two schools of thought. There's if you don't pay Dak, where.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Do you go?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You're risking you're playing Russian Roulette with your quarterback position. Right,
you might go another five ten years without getting a
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
So even if.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Dak isn't you know all that, he is good enough
to get you twelve wins and into the tournament.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And then there's the other school.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
That thought we talked about Rob, where you know what,
you should just move on. You should just move on
because he can't win you a super Bowl, and so
it'll be interesting. It's a huge year. I do think that.
Like I said, I really still think that there's a
great chance that they pay Dak Prescott tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
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Speaker 4 (18:31):
Interesting stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Now we know Colorado coached by Dion Sanders. Big game
against Nebraska tomorrow. Wow, that's gonna be a good one.
Of course, Nebraska has the quarterback they call Baby Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Is that what they call him? Baby Mahomes. Rayola is
his last what's his first name? Grob Gi Dylan Rayola.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah, nice, looks just like Mahomes and tries to look
just like well but good player. But Nebraskays had a
winning season in like seven years. Matt rule of coach
the coach there now, But I kind of think they'll
beat Colorado and Colorado Dion of course, always talking, willing
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to talk, and they got the Travis Hunter two way player,
great wide receiver, great cornerback, a lot of.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
People talking about him, maybe even winning the Heisman.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
And Dion, who knows a little something about going both
ways in the NFL, of course, are probably the greatest
defensive back cornerback ever and also played a little bit.
He didn't really go both ways, but played, you know,
a little bit of wide receiver in the NFL. Here's
what he said about Travis's chances of playing both ways
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at the next level.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Former NFL players sit on these type of platforms and
all the kind of platforms and giving them voice. Now
sit up there and say what this man can't do
at the next level?
Speaker 9 (20:04):
Right?
Speaker 4 (20:04):
How stupid is that?
Speaker 8 (20:06):
How can you say what a person can't do just
because you can't fathom it. Yeah, no one has seen
a guy go both ways like he goes, and you say,
well you can't do Yeah, yes he can. That's what
he does. That's all he knows. So how you going
to tell it? Man what he can't do? And the
scouts asks me every day what is he? I say,
he's a football player. If you put him on offense
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in the NFL. You don't have him on defense, you
going to look like a fool because he's going to
be your best defensive player not playing, and the same
thing vice versa. So the best thing for you to
do is drafting them whatever it had to have a
package ready for him on the opposing side.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
All right, you heard it now, Rob g Was it
the Athletic that had an article about this?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
It was CBS Sports.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
Right after these comments came out, which were actually less
than forty eight hours ago, CBS Sports caught up with
a few anonymous NFL personnel individuals and they asked him
about whether or not.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Now these are executives like executive salid.
Speaker 9 (21:03):
Well personnel people. How they described it, and they spoke
to two of them. One of them says, quote about
the idea of Travis under playing both ways in the NFL,
there's no way at his size, in his body frame,
that he could play seventeen games in the NFL at
over one hundred naps a game and really maintain that
level performance. Maybe there's someone that dabbles into something like
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he's a full time receiver and then a part time
nickel on defense. Another scout who actually was a little
bit more optimistic said this. I know several scouts of
that same opinion that he's a better receiver prospect than
he is a corner. When I watched him this summer,
I was thinking receiver over corner. And I think it's
ultimately gonna come down to where he wants to play.
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But I think he can play both or play either.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Well, Rob, he's listed at six ' one one a five. Now,
Rob G doesn't think he's six to one. He thinks
he's more like five to ten either way. Right, we
see ex cornerbacks. We used to see him all the
time at ESPN, we see him at FS one. These
dudes are not tall, They're not that big like some
of them. I'm bigger than You've seen that too, Rob,
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And I know it's amazing something, it really is. You're like,
my goodness, how this dude play in the NFL. But
their speed and you know a lot of corners aren't
great tacklers. Even Dion wasn't a great tackler. So they're
out there for their speed and the cover guys. But Rob,
what do you think of his chances of playing both
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ways in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Slim to none?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I just think you have too many people who just
aren't going to be open to it. It's almost like
the show, Hey, Chris, like a lot of people just.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
You know, were.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Not that gung ho about it either until you know
the guy want end up doing it and then and
the only way you could get him was he went
to the Angels and they were going to allow him
to do it.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
And obviously excelled.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I think the NFL's tougher playing that many snaps on
both sides of the ball. A little bit different, remember,
I just like, like it used to be done. We
see you in up what high school? Right, guys play
the best athletes they played both ways. But that's so
(23:29):
but that's yeah, that's what I'm saying. But it's but
it's uh, it's eight games, Chris, and it's not the same.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Kind of thing. If you're an NFL prospect, you're so
much better.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
You know, Right, That's what I'm saying. I just I
just don't think that it's gonna happen. I really don't.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yeah. I mean, Dion, like I said, did it a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Remember Roy Green, Uh, he in the eighties, he did
it for Saint Louis Carter's a little bit.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I agree with you that, I mean, can you do
it and be.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I don't think somebody can be great at both Rob,
And if I'm Travis Hunter, I get that he wants
to try, and I respect that, but I would think
Rob if he focuses on one, and I do like
him more as a receiver.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
I mean, a cornerback is fine too.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I mean, he's a top prospect in either position, but
I think I think he's a better receiver.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
He obviously has great hands.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
The catch he made a couple of weeks or was
it last week against North Dakota State was phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I don't care that you're playing a Division one double
a school.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
That was a great catch with the dude draped all
over him, and really I thought it was past interference clearly.
So I think he's probably a better receiver prospect.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
But if I'm Travis.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Hunter, Rob, I would rather be awesome at one position
than just solid at both. And I think it's going
to be incredibly difficult for somebody to play in the
NFL and be like all pro level or even Pro
Bowl level, consistent Pro Bowl, perennial Pro Bowl level at both.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I just.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I think that would be incredibly difficult to do, just
physically and even mentally.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah, I do think that.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Trying to be great at both Chris is the issue.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
And why do you want to be great?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Why not make a career and be great at the
one thing you do the best or the one thing
that you think you can excel because the only way.
And I know it's different than show Hey, but Chris,
if he was a C, if he was a C pitcher,
he wouldn't be doing it, you know what I mean, Well,
like you wouldn't be doing it.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
He probably even if he had done it early, like
the last few years, now he's hurt, you know, as
far as pitching, he probably would be done as a picture,
you know what I mean, even if they had let
him do it this first few years he gets hurt,
has Tommy John, and now he's he did have Tommy John,
didn't he show hey?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, and he uh, you know, they probably wouldn't be
thinking of him as a picture anymore. Rop they probably
just be saying, you're gonna hit the season he's had, right,
So yeah, look, Dion makes a good point. I mean,
we didn't think it was possible to do what Show
hay Right is doing, and he's done it. So, but
(26:44):
I look as great as Travis Huntery is, I don't
And this is no insult rap. I don't think he's
Deon Sanders like that level. Deon Sanders arguably the greatest
athlete in American history arguably, and I don't think this
kid is that as great as he is so and
(27:07):
Dion didn't do it both ways full.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Time, So I don't know, Rob G, where are you
at on this? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (27:14):
I think it's unreasonable to expect him to be able
to play both ways in the NFL, and especially when
it's not like we haven't seen this even recently in college.
You know, Miles Jackie UCLA played the linebacker and running back,
Chris Gamble to Ohio State played receiver in corner, Charles Woodson.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Won iven right, right right, and then even.
Speaker 9 (27:33):
With Travis Hunter specifically, not only is it, you know,
the skill level of being able to play at the
highest level both offense and defense, just being out there
for one hundred plus snaps, the risk of injury is
much higher, so even last year, his first year playing
major college football, because you know, when you played Jackson
State wasn't the greatest athletes, no destruction of them. He
(27:56):
missed a month with the last rate of kidney, so
it was a cheap shot. Are we sure you're gonna
be able to make it through an entire season playing
one hundred and thirty snaps a game.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
I just don't think it's physically, you know, possible. Yeah, yeah,
I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
If somebody wants to give him a try at it, fine,
But look the NFL, and guys see this at every position.
I mean Division I football at the top level is incredible,
and then you weed out the guys in that and
take the ultra elite, and that's what the next level is.
(28:37):
Guys always talk about the speed in the NFL, the
size in the NFL. It's not what he's facing right now.
It's not It's not even close. And so you're talking
about the fastest guys, the strongest guys, the most skilled
guys at the next level. And to think he's gonna
(28:58):
play the entire game in both ways and be better
than the defensive backs who are just focusing on that,
and better than the receivers who are just focusing on that, that's.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
A lot to ask.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That is a lot of chance and I understand, Chris,
you want to do something, and Dion's pushing for his
guy and yeah, so he's doing it in college. Not
that many people are doing anything like that. So I
get all that, but it's a tall order. And then
Deon is like, well, people up there saying what he
can't do or whatever, but that's what what what? That's
(29:34):
where the job of being an analyst. Dion was an
analyst and we've never seen it. It's not like you
know what I mean, brown their minds. There's a reason
people don't do it right. These are the best athletes
in the world and nobody does it. And that's what
I'm saying, Like he's making it like, oh, how can
they say that telling what another man can do?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
What?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That's that's where they ask us, do we think we
could you could do it right?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I can disagree with their opinion, but you can't rip
on them for not thinking it could be done right
right
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