September 30, 2024 • 20 mins
Rob and Kelvin react to the breaking news surrounding the untimely death of MLB Hit King Pete Rose, debate whether or not it’s fair to say that Patrick Mahomes isn’t playing like a top-5 NFL quarterback right now and and tell us what we can learn from this whole Baker Mayfield-Tom Brady public.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
We got breaking news. Oh shoot, what is happy to say?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Breaking news from Fox Sports TMC Sports is reporting that
Pete Rose has died at the age of eighty three.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
They have a quote from his agent confirming the news,
saying the family is asking for privacy at this time.
Pete Rose, age eighty three, was a Cincinnati native, born
and raised there, and played for the Reds almost twenty
years career batting average three TOZHO three, over four thousand
career hits, Rookie of the Year in the National League
sixty three seven three, m VP of the National League.
(01:02):
Course wound up player manager with Cincinnati as well.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Well, thank you, Steve. Wow, what that that just shook me?
We Yeah, that just that that really did. Pete Rose,
an iconic baseball player. I mean, it pains me that
Pete was never able to clean up the mess with
the gambling, because it should have been cleaned up.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Baseball tried to get him back into the fold.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
If you remember the All Star Game in Cincinnati where
they allowed him to take part in the All Star festivities.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Remember that, and everybody.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Was doing their Mount Rushmore and the Cincinnati Reds couldn't
do a Mount Rushmore without Pete Rose being in it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You can't, absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
But but there's nothing else that, uh, that baseball could do.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Pete just couldn't get.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
That gambling thing right, and and the and the of course,
the ironic thing now is gambling is a part of sports,
and at that time it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well you talk about a change of direction. Wow, you
want to take it, you want to keep rolling? We
want to take a quick break. What we want to
do here? Because there's a lot to dissect there.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
I think we need to eight seven seven ninety nine
on Fox eight seven seven nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And I know this is breaking news and what happened.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
This He has a complicated life and what can you
separate the two?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Great?
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Can you separate Pete Rose as the iconic, the all
time hit leader, uh in baseball. We already know all
the other great things that he did. Steve de Sega
was breaking down some of them. But but there's that
mark of being, you know, banned from baseball for life
because of the gambling implications.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
And and can you separate how do you celebrate guys?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I think that is a conversation we need to have
because it's applicable not to These are not apples to
Apple at all, but it just it reminds me of well,
what do you do with Diddy? Do you still listen
to the music? Do you you know, burn all your
shanjoh clothing? We did the same thing with Bill Conny.
You watch the show? Do you watching it where you
want you to be? On Tunvision? Do you feel bad
(03:21):
if you watch any movie Harvey Weinstein produced, which is
probably you know, some of your favorites. Is a conversation
we need to have as people. Where do you individually
draw the line? Can you enjoy Pete Rose? Can you say,
but hey, he was the best baseball player of an
era and obviously best hitter of all time. He needs
to be in the Hall of Fame. Where do you
(03:43):
draw the lines? And these are conversations we need to
start having. Let's just talk about it. Your thoughts on
Pete Rose dying? Where where are you on Pete?
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Are you sad that he never got into the Hall
of Fame when he was alive? I don't think he
was going to get in. He had a couple of
chances that that that didn't always way, mostly because of Pete.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, that's because of Pete.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Baseball tried, tried, and Pete just just couldn't get it right.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
If you are not going to be let into something,
one thing that can help is falling on the defeat
of mercy and begging for forgiveness and going not kind
of half saying it not well I did, but I
didn't Well I kind of did it this way.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
And I don't know if you had a chance to
see that new doc. It was just timing.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Now that the timing is so fitting that Charlie Hustle
on the matter of Pete Rose doc they just dropped
a couple of months ago, a few months back on
HBO Max. All right, that was that was very telling,
and the timing of that again now that he maybe
he knew maybe something was going on health wise.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Uh yeah, but dang.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
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Speaker 5 (04:58):
I want to bring Rob G in here, and I'm
just gonna to say it. Patrick Mahomes right now, right
here isn't even the top five NFL quarterback. And I'm
talking about just numbers top with the uh you know,
people get caught up on it. We're not talking about
a lifetime achievement. I just said he's gonna get into
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. There's no doubt in
(05:18):
my mind. He's won three Super Bowl, two MVPs. He's
going to get in. But we're just talking about how
he's playing right now. In the numbers, Calvin, they're not
good math, they're just not Rob G. Break it down
because I know people don't want to hear it and think, oh.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
What are you talking about us doing?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Take Patrick Bowler because he plays well in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
He's like the James Hardening reverse.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
James Harden plays great in the regular season and is
bad in the postseason. Patrick Mahomes has not been great
in the regular season, but he plays greatness.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I think I got to you now, but I was
just there. That was to Patrick Mahomes. Pat Mahomes aka
curR with the frog Boy almost had to come and
get at you.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
See that doll that the Raiders had for Patrick with
dem Why would they do? Why would you? Nothing? You
ain't did?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Jack Like that was just that made none of the sense.
But yeah, listen, go ahead, Rob with the numbers. But
the math is in math and hight now. But I'll
drop something known you after we get some of these numbers.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Well, first off, let me just say that the Raiders
be Patrick Mahomes last time they face them. That just
shows you what kind of slump my guy has been
in over the last what year and a half or so.
But yeah, just this season, Patrick Mahomes amongst all starting
NFL quarterbacks second most i nts with five, second most
turnover worthy plays with seven, second lowest average depth of
(06:42):
targeting means he's turning into a checkdown Charlie six point one.
For comparison, Anthony Richardson Thompson in the league is over thirteen.
His passing yards to the first four games are the
worst for his NFL career nine D and four his
EPA dropback, which one of those advanced stats at all
these nerves like these days zero point zero five the
(07:05):
worst for any NFL season for him in his career,
the worst. Okay, And if you just want to say, hey,
it's only four games quarter of the season, he's gonna
bounce back in a big way, don't worry about it.
Dating back to last season, in his last nine games,
Patrick Mahomes twelve touchdowns, ten interception. That's incredible. This is
(07:28):
the last what is it, nine nine games, twelve touchdowns.
But even the number of touchdowns, that's not even a
lot of touchdowns. If I said those numbers belong to
Trevor Lawrence, I would believe it.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
She'd be like, all right, Trevor, if.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
I said that was Daniel Jones, you might have to
have more picks, to be honest with you. But you
say that sounds like Daniel Joe Bright twelve touchdown in
a million years, expect that. Patrick Mahomes, who many believe
is already in the conversation at the greatest quarterback, Andy,
here's why I got a problem with playing.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Like you know, I got a problem with that because
How did they just skip on over Joe Montana?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I can answer, I can't answer you.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Well, No, Joe Montana's four to know in the Super
Bowl eleven touchdowns, no picks, and two of the games
that he won Super Bowls, he had to throw a
touchdown to win the game, not to get a field goal.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, I think listen, Joe Montana is permanently etched in.
If that's the best quarterback ever, who's gonna argue? There's
four or five guys. I think if you said no,
one's gonna argue John l Joe Montana, Tom Brady, you know,
and now Patrick Mahomes. The reason why he's getting he's
passing over people is because it's not often that you
get the combination of the success with talent. Tom Brady
(08:39):
wasn't the most most naturally talented, but he had all
of the success. Patrick Mahomes is throwing passes behind his head,
behind his back, through his legs, no looks, and so
you're seeing this talent match the success.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I give you another example.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Aaron Rodgers, arguably one two or three most talented quarterbacks
you've ever seen, doesn't have the body of success winning
as if Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady and so on.
So that's why people are doing that. They're saying, I've
never seen anything this talented. Oh and by the way,
it matches with the w's put those in a blender.
You're getting Patrick Mahomes. And that's why people are saying it.
(09:14):
But if you get Joe, I'm not gonna argue with you.
Say Joe Montana is the best. It's like four or
five guys. If you say you want it that way,
that's cool. I'll take this guy. I'll take that guy.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
So looking at Patrick Mahomes, the thing that's scary is,
you know, like he can't I get it. There's injury
that two top receivers are hurt. They're running back, so
he can't even elevate other people like normally. He came
and remember he joined the Chiefs when they were loaded.
(09:44):
They had all those weapons there and he added came
there and fit in and just had all these weapons
and things to play with. Now Kelsey's not as great, right,
his numbers are down. The injury injuries, I don't know.
It is amazing how much they've struggled.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I listen, I've been saying this Rob and you weren't
here Friday. I'll keep hitting this point because that's where
we are. The air he is in with the Tom Brady's,
the greats. I think the organization has to have a
hard look at themselves and say, we can't keep bringing
in guys. We can't keep just bringing in all this rookie,
this guy. They have to start looking at bringing in
(10:23):
their Randy Moss to Tom Brady once he finally was like, Yo,
I need some more talent. I know, you get some
capable receivers around me. Troy Browns, Dion Branches and every
of these guys had nice careers. I need some studs.
I need some man. Hey, with all those fellas, I'm
bombing it to Randy Moss type guys, and these and
Gronk and Aaron Hernandez and so on and so I
think this is an interesting place for them in this
(10:44):
portion of their dynasty. They're going to need to say, hey,
we can't keep just saying hey, we're just gonna get
these guys and.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Make it work.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
We might need to get some studs on outside. We
might need to do a Baltimore Ravens and say yes,
we're already good. We made it an AFC Championship, But
we still need a Dereck Henry. You know, yes, we
won a super Bowl, but we still need a If
you're Devonte Adams type of a receiver, if you're the Chiefs,
I don't know how to.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Talk about all time greats.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Usually what you always say is they elevate the other
people around.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
But Joe Montana had rice.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
No, no, no, I'm just I'm but I'm talking about
him with Patrick Mahomes when you talk about his greatness.
So now as you pair down a strip down the team,
are you saying he can't can't elevate those other guys
that next man up, that's what we hear.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
What I'm saying is Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Y'all set up here and told me for years Steph
Curry was all this first ever unanimous MVP, Steph Curry,
Steph Curry. But all I know is he lost three
to one, and you know what they did. They went
and got Kevin Durant. They didn't say run it back,
We're gonna come back. They knew, Oh, shoot, Lebron and
Kyrie have figured us out. We better go get to
Kevin Durant. And I'm saying at this point, the Chiefs
need to go get there, Kevin Durant. And it doesn't
(11:52):
mean that Steph Curry didn't end up having an amazing,
stilled rest of his career and that he still did
some of the most spectacular things we've ever seen, as
could a Patrick mahone homes continue to dominate.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
But dang, wouldn't it be great to get a Tyreek
Hill type guy back.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Wouldn't it be great to get a younger Travis Kelce,
you know, and twenty five year old Travis Kelce not
thirty five. So I just think they're gonna have to
reevaluate and then the best thing about it for them,
while they're figuring this out, while maybe there's a trade coming,
while maybe there's some young guy that emerges, their defense,
we are not talking about. Their defense started last season.
(12:24):
Their defense is saying, hey, you've hailed us down the
first four or five years of the of the Travis
Kelce and Pat Mahomes era and Andy Reider. Now it's
time for us to hold you down. And their defense
is carried the day and the last point for me,
rob this could be scary. They mess around and get
the the defense stays where they are they mess around
and get you know, the offense flowing again.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Patrick Mahomes, maybe he'll never be what he was. Fifty touchdowns,
five thousand.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yards like a million years ago, seventy five eighty five
percent of that. Go ahead and crown them again, because
that's the scary part.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I'm not I'm not there. I don't think this team
is that good. I think they've been been very lucky.
Even in the Chargers game. The Chargers didn't do anything
after the first drive and did nothing else for the
fun I mean right, and then they only lost by seven.
I mean it one like they got blown out by
the Chiefs. Things the old Chiefs used to would it
would have blown them out.
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Speaker 5 (13:28):
So Tom Brady on the broadcast Quarterback Crime on Crime.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
That's right, Quarterback to Quarterback Crime Brother.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
He was pushing back on Baker Mayfield who said that
when Brady was there in Tampa Bay, people were walking
on eggs shells, basically not having fun, you know, under
Tom Brady's watch. And so that story came out, and
so Tom Brady. Of course, Tom Brady did the game
and yesterday for Fox.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
And he went back at Baker. Mayfe feel this take
a listen quote.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
They wanted me to come in, be myself, bring the
joy back to football for guys, and weren't having as
much fun. It's funny because you've made this environroom for
me very stressful up here in the booth. So I
understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Do you feeling no, this is bess.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
No.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
Well, I was gonna say I thought stressful was not
having Super Bowl rings. So there was a mindset of
a champion that I took to work every day.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
This wasn't daycare. If I wanted to have fun, I
was going to go to Disneyland with my kids. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
So you know, as you were saying go ahead, that's
you feel like, I feel like there's more.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
In there to say.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
There's a way to approach this game. Yeah, and it's
that with the with the right mindset and try to
push each other outside of our comfort zone.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And great teammates do that. You come in.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
I have someone like Gronkowska, I.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Have someone like Evans. There's high expectations for us. We
got to make sure we go out there and deliver.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
The competitive juice is still flowing, still in there.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I love no apologies. Here's my issue with it. Yeah
tell me because I got I got some thoughts. Here's
my issue.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Tom Brady doesn't have to do that or like most
of the time, you know these color analysts, no one's
calling anybody out saying the coach made a mistake or
they don't not a coach, or what's wrong with the
defense when a game.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Plan on the court.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
If you got an issue with what Baker Mayfield said,
and he did, Rob G walk it back like the
next day. So if you have an issue Tom Brady,
you're in Tampa Bay, go up to the guy's locker,
go up to the guy's face and say, that's some
bs that you were saying or whatever I want you.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
To know and blah blah blah blah blah. But to
pull out the well, we're not over the Super Bowl
or it strustful, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Like that's the that's like a woman saying like you
know this, Rob G knows this. Anybody who's where the
woman no matter what happens in the relationship or what
happens around the house or whatever. You know, they always
use I'm having a baby as the excuse, you know,
like the house is, I'm having a baby.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Did you make dinner or not? What do you want
me to do?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I'm having a babe, Rob trying to get people in trouble. Rob,
I'll tell you what you're listening in the show right now.
You've been I laughed too hard while you're.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Next to her. I'm not even smiling, right, you know
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
But my point is, and you don't need to do
that on the airways at Fox Sports as a as
a guy who's covering supposedly covering Baker Mayfield and it's
supposedly treating him equal and not having any acts to
grind against anybody when you could say that, it's not
like Baker Mayfield said that yesterday or today and you.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Didn't have a chance to see him or whatever.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
This has been out there for what Rob g ten days,
almost about a week, all right, and you could go
see Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You can. Baker. Here's a couple of couple of things.
Baker Mayfield didn't sit it to Tom Brady's face.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
He said it on a podcast, and a couple of
things need to be learned in this one.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Let me just say this right now. I know Elijah's
recording this for us.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Let me say this to some young person coming up,
maybe they already have their first job in media or
something where they're in front of microphone.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You don't have to say everything.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And I think that was a lesson learned by Baker
Mayfield right now, because let's say it's one.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I'll take him at his word. Let's say it's true.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But if you're receivers, if your team is coming to
you like man, it's just easier to hear you man,
like you're just down to earth. Because I do believe
there are different ways of skin a cat. You can
be of the Lebron I build everybody up. I'm cool,
I gotta handshake with everybody. Or you can also win
as a Jordan Kobe. I'm gonna be hard on you.
I'm gonna punch you on the plane if I need to.
I'm gonna demand something out of you. Allow Tom Brady
in this case, I think there's multiple ways of skin
(17:41):
a cat, but you don't have to tell everybody that
that can be locker room talk.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And that's the challenge.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
When you and I sit up here and talk about
these players on podcasts, sometimes they feel like they have
to share something. Right, you've invited me on your pod,
I have to tell you something. I have to talk
about things. I have to be honest and tell my truth.
You ain't gotta tell everything, Bruh. You can love the
fact that everybody in that locker room is rocking with
you. You went in, you're having success. Maybe they locked the
atmosphere better. You don't have to share that now they
(18:09):
over sided. What I find interesting is, boy, that was
the best Tom Brady we didn't heard since he's been
calling games this season. Everybody said Tom Brady is not
great tom Brady, Well, you know that Tom Brady sounds terrible.
I got to I got cover my ears, I got
to hear more tom Brady calling games.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
That was the best he ever got right there.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So that little, that little bit whatever that was got
the best out of Tom Brady for sure. Maybe he
needed that a little bit of Maybe he needed that
juice to get fired up.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I thought he was playing a game.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
But wouldn't it be better if he just go to
his locker and say Bacon, would you say, what was
that about?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Or I think I think there was conversation.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I think there was a way to lightly take a
fun jab on air and not have fun because we've
seen the best of the best know how to do that.
You know, Charles Bike can do it. Take a job
and somebody and keep it pushing, keep it moving. I
think where Tom they set him up, they asked another question.
It was like they kept egging it on, well because
that was awkward to Yeah. It was like some kind
of said no, he said it, he said it a
little bit okay, cool, and he was like, well, like
(19:03):
anything else you want to get out the yeah and
something that got weird. So if he was just to say,
you know, what's best when you're able to sneak it
in subliminately, you know what I mean. If he just
was saying calling the game is third and six right now,
you know, they don't look they don't really look that stress.
Maybe they need somebody to come in there and stress
them up a little bit. You know, when we would
have got it tongue and change, you know, I think
that's when it works best. But just we serve it
(19:24):
up on a silver platter, It's kind of like, all right,
that was awkward and weird and it seemed a bit
you know, Baker's having a good time, his team's being successful.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
We play for the same organization.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, it wasn't all that wasn't necessary, But I do
think again, the lesson goes Baker.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
You ain't got to say everything.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
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was Tom Brady's take away that crime.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yep. Did you like Brady going back at Baker? Was
it out of line? Do you have done it? Personally?
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I just think when I have somebody in front of
me and I could say something to you, I'm not
going to be afraid to just go up to him
or find now he was hugging everybody else on the sidelines.
Did you see Brady on the sidelines? I mean he
was everybody in their uncle.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It was a little Jordan ness, you know, the whole
meme from Last Dance, you know. And then I took
it personally like like relax, like you get what Baker
was trying to say, Like, Hey, I'm.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Just coming in here to be me just right, the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, Tom, took a little too see, but that's what
that's what they do, Tom Jordan, Tiger, all those dudes.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
That's what they do. They take anything.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
But you don't think that that Baker got that from nowhere.
Baker's wasn't there during it, So that means people were
saying to him, Am I right?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
That he didn't have to say it though, like yo,
we love It's like like I'm new to this the
Fox Sports radio and if I just was saying everything everything, Hey,
you know what they're saying about me?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
They saying this, They saying that you're like, whoa dude
like you gotta relax
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
We got breaking news. Oh shoot, what is happy to say?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Breaking news from Fox Sports TMC Sports is reporting that
Pete Rose has died at the age of eighty three.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
They have a quote from his agent confirming the news,
saying the family is asking for privacy at this time.
Pete Rose, age eighty three, was a Cincinnati native, born
and raised there, and played for the Reds almost twenty
years career batting average three TOZHO three, over four thousand
career hits, Rookie of the Year in the National League
sixty three seven three, m VP of the National League.
(01:02):
Course wound up player manager with Cincinnati as well.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Well, thank you, Steve. Wow, what that that just shook me?
We Yeah, that just that that really did. Pete Rose,
an iconic baseball player. I mean, it pains me that
Pete was never able to clean up the mess with
the gambling, because it should have been cleaned up.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Baseball tried to get him back into the fold.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
If you remember the All Star Game in Cincinnati where
they allowed him to take part in the All Star festivities.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Remember that, and everybody.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Was doing their Mount Rushmore and the Cincinnati Reds couldn't
do a Mount Rushmore without Pete Rose being in it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You can't, absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
But but there's nothing else that, uh, that baseball could do.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Pete just couldn't get.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
That gambling thing right, and and the and the of course,
the ironic thing now is gambling is a part of sports,
and at that time it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well you talk about a change of direction. Wow, you
want to take it, you want to keep rolling? We
want to take a quick break. What we want to
do here? Because there's a lot to dissect there.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
I think we need to eight seven seven ninety nine
on Fox eight seven seven nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And I know this is breaking news and what happened.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
This He has a complicated life and what can you
separate the two?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Great?
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Can you separate Pete Rose as the iconic, the all
time hit leader, uh in baseball. We already know all
the other great things that he did. Steve de Sega
was breaking down some of them. But but there's that
mark of being, you know, banned from baseball for life
because of the gambling implications.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
And and can you separate how do you celebrate guys?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I think that is a conversation we need to have
because it's applicable not to These are not apples to
Apple at all, but it just it reminds me of well,
what do you do with Diddy? Do you still listen
to the music? Do you you know, burn all your
shanjoh clothing? We did the same thing with Bill Conny.
You watch the show? Do you watching it where you
want you to be? On Tunvision? Do you feel bad
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if you watch any movie Harvey Weinstein produced, which is
probably you know, some of your favorites. Is a conversation
we need to have as people. Where do you individually
draw the line? Can you enjoy Pete Rose? Can you say,
but hey, he was the best baseball player of an
era and obviously best hitter of all time. He needs
to be in the Hall of Fame. Where do you
(03:43):
draw the lines? And these are conversations we need to
start having. Let's just talk about it. Your thoughts on
Pete Rose dying? Where where are you on Pete?
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Are you sad that he never got into the Hall
of Fame when he was alive? I don't think he
was going to get in. He had a couple of
chances that that that didn't always way, mostly because of Pete.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, that's because of Pete.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Baseball tried, tried, and Pete just just couldn't get it right.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
If you are not going to be let into something,
one thing that can help is falling on the defeat
of mercy and begging for forgiveness and going not kind
of half saying it not well I did, but I
didn't Well I kind of did it this way.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
And I don't know if you had a chance to
see that new doc. It was just timing.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Now that the timing is so fitting that Charlie Hustle
on the matter of Pete Rose doc they just dropped
a couple of months ago, a few months back on
HBO Max. All right, that was that was very telling,
and the timing of that again now that he maybe
he knew maybe something was going on health wise.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Uh yeah, but dang.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
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Speaker 5 (04:58):
I want to bring Rob G in here, and I'm
just gonna to say it. Patrick Mahomes right now, right
here isn't even the top five NFL quarterback. And I'm
talking about just numbers top with the uh you know,
people get caught up on it. We're not talking about
a lifetime achievement. I just said he's gonna get into
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. There's no doubt in
(05:18):
my mind. He's won three Super Bowl, two MVPs. He's
going to get in. But we're just talking about how
he's playing right now. In the numbers, Calvin, they're not
good math, they're just not Rob G. Break it down
because I know people don't want to hear it and think, oh.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
What are you talking about us doing?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Take Patrick Bowler because he plays well in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
He's like the James Hardening reverse.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
James Harden plays great in the regular season and is
bad in the postseason. Patrick Mahomes has not been great
in the regular season, but he plays greatness.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I think I got to you now, but I was
just there. That was to Patrick Mahomes. Pat Mahomes aka
curR with the frog Boy almost had to come and
get at you.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
See that doll that the Raiders had for Patrick with
dem Why would they do? Why would you? Nothing? You
ain't did?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Jack Like that was just that made none of the sense.
But yeah, listen, go ahead, Rob with the numbers. But
the math is in math and hight now. But I'll
drop something known you after we get some of these numbers.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Well, first off, let me just say that the Raiders
be Patrick Mahomes last time they face them. That just
shows you what kind of slump my guy has been
in over the last what year and a half or so.
But yeah, just this season, Patrick Mahomes amongst all starting
NFL quarterbacks second most i nts with five, second most
turnover worthy plays with seven, second lowest average depth of
(06:42):
targeting means he's turning into a checkdown Charlie six point one.
For comparison, Anthony Richardson Thompson in the league is over thirteen.
His passing yards to the first four games are the
worst for his NFL career nine D and four his
EPA dropback, which one of those advanced stats at all
these nerves like these days zero point zero five the
(07:05):
worst for any NFL season for him in his career,
the worst. Okay, And if you just want to say, hey,
it's only four games quarter of the season, he's gonna
bounce back in a big way, don't worry about it.
Dating back to last season, in his last nine games,
Patrick Mahomes twelve touchdowns, ten interception. That's incredible. This is
(07:28):
the last what is it, nine nine games, twelve touchdowns.
But even the number of touchdowns, that's not even a
lot of touchdowns. If I said those numbers belong to
Trevor Lawrence, I would believe it.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
She'd be like, all right, Trevor, if.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
I said that was Daniel Jones, you might have to
have more picks, to be honest with you. But you
say that sounds like Daniel Joe Bright twelve touchdown in
a million years, expect that. Patrick Mahomes, who many believe
is already in the conversation at the greatest quarterback, Andy,
here's why I got a problem with playing.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Like you know, I got a problem with that because
How did they just skip on over Joe Montana?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I can answer, I can't answer you.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Well, No, Joe Montana's four to know in the Super
Bowl eleven touchdowns, no picks, and two of the games
that he won Super Bowls, he had to throw a
touchdown to win the game, not to get a field goal.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, I think listen, Joe Montana is permanently etched in.
If that's the best quarterback ever, who's gonna argue? There's
four or five guys. I think if you said no,
one's gonna argue John l Joe Montana, Tom Brady, you know,
and now Patrick Mahomes. The reason why he's getting he's
passing over people is because it's not often that you
get the combination of the success with talent. Tom Brady
(08:39):
wasn't the most most naturally talented, but he had all
of the success. Patrick Mahomes is throwing passes behind his head,
behind his back, through his legs, no looks, and so
you're seeing this talent match the success.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I give you another example.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Aaron Rodgers, arguably one two or three most talented quarterbacks
you've ever seen, doesn't have the body of success winning
as if Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady and so on.
So that's why people are doing that. They're saying, I've
never seen anything this talented. Oh and by the way,
it matches with the w's put those in a blender.
You're getting Patrick Mahomes. And that's why people are saying it.
(09:14):
But if you get Joe, I'm not gonna argue with you.
Say Joe Montana is the best. It's like four or
five guys. If you say you want it that way,
that's cool. I'll take this guy. I'll take that guy.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
So looking at Patrick Mahomes, the thing that's scary is,
you know, like he can't I get it. There's injury
that two top receivers are hurt. They're running back, so
he can't even elevate other people like normally. He came
and remember he joined the Chiefs when they were loaded.
(09:44):
They had all those weapons there and he added came
there and fit in and just had all these weapons
and things to play with. Now Kelsey's not as great, right,
his numbers are down. The injury injuries, I don't know.
It is amazing how much they've struggled.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I listen, I've been saying this Rob and you weren't
here Friday. I'll keep hitting this point because that's where
we are. The air he is in with the Tom Brady's,
the greats. I think the organization has to have a
hard look at themselves and say, we can't keep bringing
in guys. We can't keep just bringing in all this rookie,
this guy. They have to start looking at bringing in
(10:23):
their Randy Moss to Tom Brady once he finally was like, Yo,
I need some more talent. I know, you get some
capable receivers around me. Troy Browns, Dion Branches and every
of these guys had nice careers. I need some studs.
I need some man. Hey, with all those fellas, I'm
bombing it to Randy Moss type guys, and these and
Gronk and Aaron Hernandez and so on and so I
think this is an interesting place for them in this
(10:44):
portion of their dynasty. They're going to need to say, hey,
we can't keep just saying hey, we're just gonna get
these guys and.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Make it work.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
We might need to get some studs on outside. We
might need to do a Baltimore Ravens and say yes,
we're already good. We made it an AFC Championship, But
we still need a Dereck Henry. You know, yes, we
won a super Bowl, but we still need a If
you're Devonte Adams type of a receiver, if you're the Chiefs,
I don't know how to.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Talk about all time greats.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Usually what you always say is they elevate the other
people around.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
But Joe Montana had rice.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
No, no, no, I'm just I'm but I'm talking about
him with Patrick Mahomes when you talk about his greatness.
So now as you pair down a strip down the team,
are you saying he can't can't elevate those other guys
that next man up, that's what we hear.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
What I'm saying is Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Y'all set up here and told me for years Steph
Curry was all this first ever unanimous MVP, Steph Curry,
Steph Curry. But all I know is he lost three
to one, and you know what they did. They went
and got Kevin Durant. They didn't say run it back,
We're gonna come back. They knew, Oh, shoot, Lebron and
Kyrie have figured us out. We better go get to
Kevin Durant. And I'm saying at this point, the Chiefs
need to go get there, Kevin Durant. And it doesn't
(11:52):
mean that Steph Curry didn't end up having an amazing,
stilled rest of his career and that he still did
some of the most spectacular things we've ever seen, as
could a Patrick mahone homes continue to dominate.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
But dang, wouldn't it be great to get a Tyreek
Hill type guy back.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Wouldn't it be great to get a younger Travis Kelce,
you know, and twenty five year old Travis Kelce not
thirty five. So I just think they're gonna have to
reevaluate and then the best thing about it for them,
while they're figuring this out, while maybe there's a trade coming,
while maybe there's some young guy that emerges, their defense,
we are not talking about. Their defense started last season.
(12:24):
Their defense is saying, hey, you've hailed us down the
first four or five years of the of the Travis
Kelce and Pat Mahomes era and Andy Reider. Now it's
time for us to hold you down. And their defense
is carried the day and the last point for me,
rob this could be scary. They mess around and get
the the defense stays where they are they mess around
and get you know, the offense flowing again.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Patrick Mahomes, maybe he'll never be what he was. Fifty touchdowns,
five thousand.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yards like a million years ago, seventy five eighty five
percent of that. Go ahead and crown them again, because
that's the scary part.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I'm not I'm not there. I don't think this team
is that good. I think they've been been very lucky.
Even in the Chargers game. The Chargers didn't do anything
after the first drive and did nothing else for the
fun I mean right, and then they only lost by seven.
I mean it one like they got blown out by
the Chiefs. Things the old Chiefs used to would it
would have blown them out.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
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Speaker 5 (13:28):
So Tom Brady on the broadcast Quarterback Crime on Crime.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
That's right, Quarterback to Quarterback Crime Brother.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
He was pushing back on Baker Mayfield who said that
when Brady was there in Tampa Bay, people were walking
on eggs shells, basically not having fun, you know, under
Tom Brady's watch. And so that story came out, and
so Tom Brady. Of course, Tom Brady did the game
and yesterday for Fox.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
And he went back at Baker. Mayfe feel this take
a listen quote.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
They wanted me to come in, be myself, bring the
joy back to football for guys, and weren't having as
much fun. It's funny because you've made this environroom for
me very stressful up here in the booth. So I
understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Do you feeling no, this is bess.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
No.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
Well, I was gonna say I thought stressful was not
having Super Bowl rings. So there was a mindset of
a champion that I took to work every day.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
This wasn't daycare. If I wanted to have fun, I
was going to go to Disneyland with my kids. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
So you know, as you were saying go ahead, that's
you feel like, I feel like there's more.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
In there to say.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
There's a way to approach this game. Yeah, and it's
that with the with the right mindset and try to
push each other outside of our comfort zone.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And great teammates do that. You come in.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
I have someone like Gronkowska, I.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Have someone like Evans. There's high expectations for us. We
got to make sure we go out there and deliver.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
The competitive juice is still flowing, still in there.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I love no apologies. Here's my issue with it. Yeah
tell me because I got I got some thoughts. Here's
my issue.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Tom Brady doesn't have to do that or like most
of the time, you know these color analysts, no one's
calling anybody out saying the coach made a mistake or
they don't not a coach, or what's wrong with the
defense when a game.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Plan on the court.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
If you got an issue with what Baker Mayfield said,
and he did, Rob G walk it back like the
next day. So if you have an issue Tom Brady,
you're in Tampa Bay, go up to the guy's locker,
go up to the guy's face and say, that's some
bs that you were saying or whatever I want you.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
To know and blah blah blah blah blah. But to
pull out the well, we're not over the Super Bowl
or it strustful, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Like that's the that's like a woman saying like you
know this, Rob G knows this. Anybody who's where the
woman no matter what happens in the relationship or what
happens around the house or whatever. You know, they always
use I'm having a baby as the excuse, you know,
like the house is, I'm having a baby.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Did you make dinner or not? What do you want
me to do?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I'm having a babe, Rob trying to get people in trouble. Rob,
I'll tell you what you're listening in the show right now.
You've been I laughed too hard while you're.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Next to her. I'm not even smiling, right, you know
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
But my point is, and you don't need to do
that on the airways at Fox Sports as a as
a guy who's covering supposedly covering Baker Mayfield and it's
supposedly treating him equal and not having any acts to
grind against anybody when you could say that, it's not
like Baker Mayfield said that yesterday or today and you.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Didn't have a chance to see him or whatever.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
This has been out there for what Rob g ten days,
almost about a week, all right, and you could go
see Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You can. Baker. Here's a couple of couple of things.
Baker Mayfield didn't sit it to Tom Brady's face.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
He said it on a podcast, and a couple of
things need to be learned in this one.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Let me just say this right now. I know Elijah's
recording this for us.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Let me say this to some young person coming up,
maybe they already have their first job in media or
something where they're in front of microphone.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You don't have to say everything.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And I think that was a lesson learned by Baker
Mayfield right now, because let's say it's one.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I'll take him at his word. Let's say it's true.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But if you're receivers, if your team is coming to
you like man, it's just easier to hear you man,
like you're just down to earth. Because I do believe
there are different ways of skin a cat. You can
be of the Lebron I build everybody up. I'm cool,
I gotta handshake with everybody. Or you can also win
as a Jordan Kobe. I'm gonna be hard on you.
I'm gonna punch you on the plane if I need to.
I'm gonna demand something out of you. Allow Tom Brady
in this case, I think there's multiple ways of skin
(17:41):
a cat, but you don't have to tell everybody that
that can be locker room talk.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And that's the challenge.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
When you and I sit up here and talk about
these players on podcasts, sometimes they feel like they have
to share something. Right, you've invited me on your pod,
I have to tell you something. I have to talk
about things. I have to be honest and tell my truth.
You ain't gotta tell everything, Bruh. You can love the
fact that everybody in that locker room is rocking with
you. You went in, you're having success. Maybe they locked the
atmosphere better. You don't have to share that now they
(18:09):
over sided. What I find interesting is, boy, that was
the best Tom Brady we didn't heard since he's been
calling games this season. Everybody said Tom Brady is not
great tom Brady, Well, you know that Tom Brady sounds terrible.
I got to I got cover my ears, I got
to hear more tom Brady calling games.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
That was the best he ever got right there.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So that little, that little bit whatever that was got
the best out of Tom Brady for sure. Maybe he
needed that a little bit of Maybe he needed that
juice to get fired up.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I thought he was playing a game.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
But wouldn't it be better if he just go to
his locker and say Bacon, would you say, what was
that about?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Or I think I think there was conversation.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I think there was a way to lightly take a
fun jab on air and not have fun because we've
seen the best of the best know how to do that.
You know, Charles Bike can do it. Take a job
and somebody and keep it pushing, keep it moving. I
think where Tom they set him up, they asked another question.
It was like they kept egging it on, well because
that was awkward to Yeah. It was like some kind
of said no, he said it, he said it a
little bit okay, cool, and he was like, well, like
(19:03):
anything else you want to get out the yeah and
something that got weird. So if he was just to say,
you know, what's best when you're able to sneak it
in subliminately, you know what I mean. If he just
was saying calling the game is third and six right now,
you know, they don't look they don't really look that stress.
Maybe they need somebody to come in there and stress
them up a little bit. You know, when we would
have got it tongue and change, you know, I think
that's when it works best. But just we serve it
(19:24):
up on a silver platter, It's kind of like, all right,
that was awkward and weird and it seemed a bit
you know, Baker's having a good time, his team's being successful.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
We play for the same organization.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, it wasn't all that wasn't necessary, But I do
think again, the lesson goes Baker.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
You ain't got to say everything.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox is the telephone number,
and if you want to get in on this just
was Tom Brady's take away that crime.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yep. Did you like Brady going back at Baker? Was
it out of line? Do you have done it? Personally?
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I just think when I have somebody in front of
me and I could say something to you, I'm not
going to be afraid to just go up to him
or find now he was hugging everybody else on the sidelines.
Did you see Brady on the sidelines? I mean he
was everybody in their uncle.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It was a little Jordan ness, you know, the whole
meme from Last Dance, you know. And then I took
it personally like like relax, like you get what Baker
was trying to say, Like, Hey, I'm.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Just coming in here to be me just right, the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, Tom, took a little too see, but that's what
that's what they do, Tom Jordan, Tiger, all those dudes.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
That's what they do. They take anything.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
But you don't think that that Baker got that from nowhere.
Baker's wasn't there during it, So that means people were
saying to him, Am I right?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
That he didn't have to say it though, like yo,
we love It's like like I'm new to this the
Fox Sports radio and if I just was saying everything everything, Hey,
you know what they're saying about me?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
They saying this, They saying that you're like, whoa dude
like you gotta relax
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