October 31, 2024 • 24 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate how much credit Dave Roberts really deserves for the Los Angeles Dodgers second World Series title in five seasons and discuss whether or not Kevin Durant is right when he says he doesn’t deserve a statue for his NBA accomplishments. Plus, MLBBro.com’s JR Gamble swings by for the final edition of Foul or Fair for the 2024 MLB season.
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Speaker 3 (01:01):
JR Gamble, what's up?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Bro?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
What what's up? Fella? What's up? Rob? Rob Calvin? We
are coming to the end of another great season and
I'm happy that I made it.
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So he was there.
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Speaker 3 (01:23):
JR.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Star the same against the first crack at every question.
Here we go now to no one's surprised. Freddy Freeman
took home World Series MVP last night. He had three
hundred for the series, four homers, twelve RBI.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
He was killing it. But there's more, all right.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Freeman has had an RBI and seven straight World Series games,
tied for the third longest stretch in history. He also
has at least one hitting every World Series game he's
ever played in, and for his World Series career, freemanton
three ten and eleven games, six homer, seventeen RBI, the
most by any player through his.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
First two World Series appearances. I'm already saying foul already.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Are already know fair to say that Freddie Freeman is
the real mister.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I don't even see the notes.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
I knew that that's a good question, but foul. That
is a foul ball, and that's why you couldn't even
get the question finished. There's only one missed October and
that's Reggie Jackson. As lethal as Freeman's been I don't
think he's accomplished the power performance of a Reggie. He's
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been the most consistent October hit of maybe, but if
you look at the record books, the guys like Gary Jeeter,
Bernie Williams, of course mister October himself, Reggie Jackson who
have slightly better I think statistics that have been there
more often and more consistent. But Freeman has atcended to
that class. So you know, you have to find another
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nickname for him, though, because miss October mister November take it.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I'm with JR.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Found that.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
No, no, no, it's because Reggie Jackson. Let's Freddy has
been tremendous. Reggie Jackson won three World Series with the
Oakland Ages before he ever got to New York, right,
and then hit the three home runs off of three
different pitchers on three consecutive pitches, Like that will never
be done by anybody. You talk about hitting home runs
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all these games, Reggie Jackson is missed October to me,
and that doesn't take anything away from Freddie Freeman.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
No answers file, but to.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Mad it's awesome to see, like you know, how we
always have things from the past and like we make
it like that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It can never change, it can't.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
He is mister October, but Freddie has definitely created his
own lane.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I don't know if they want to come up with
another one.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Mister Fall says, his name is Freddie Freeman, like Freddie
you know something, mister Fall or something.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
But what he did, Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Yeah, mister Fall, Freddie Fall or something like that, Freddie Fall.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Right, yeah, I like that better than mister October. All right,
but hold on different, Pretend I didn't hear that one.
Let me go trademark.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Well, let's just say, though, if Freddie Freeman plays as
many World Series games as Risky time, he is gonna
blow his numbers out of the water.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Rogers plays a lot. I played twenty seven World Series games.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, that's I think is gonna play that many.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
But maybe we'll see here what Dave Roberts said, it's
a dynasty. He go question number two.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Now that the World Series overall, I shift and of
course the free agency, no bigger fish in that free
agent pond than Juan Soto. And you know, in fact,
the ESPN's Carl Ravach said this morning on ESPN he
thinks Soda will get at least minimum starting dollar seven
hundred million dollars in his next deal, He's gonna get
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something to start with the seven, if not maybe even
eight in front of it. Okay, here's the question, j
are foul or fair to said? As good as Sodo is,
a team will regret giving him a seven hundred million
dollar contract.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Uh, it's a fair ball because if you've been watching
baseball pass twenty years or so, you know these two
conc acts rarely work out. And I'm still skeptical even
on O Tany's contract, because players get hurt, they get older,
and they don't get healthier and better as the contact
(05:10):
goes on. So let's be honest, there's only a few
teams who can sign. So the Rob and I spoke
about this on the Inside the Parking Podcast earlier met Giants,
the Yankees, maybe a dark horse of Detroit Tigers. They have,
you know, gods the money to spend. But come on,
the price is only relevant to the team and how
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it feels to constructs the winner around Sodo. I don't
think any players worth that money, but the owners are
burst out the scenes of millions of dollars, and that's
what the market requires. But of course, the team always
regrets that unless they win to championship.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Fair it's a full ball.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
No one humans really worth that much, including y'all knowhnfel
about show hat and including show hate. And it's not
as if Soto is gonna be out there pitching.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
And at least you can at least try to rationalize
that I got a twenty game twenty five games you know,
starter in show hey, as well as a hitter.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Uh. Yeah, that you that back end of that money.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
See Albert Poolholes, see Josh Hamilton, see so many guys
where you're like, how much it I pay him? So no,
I don't think it's ever gonna be worth it, So
fair to say it won't be worth it.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, I'm gonna say fair as much ball.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I think I think Carl Ravage was on the deep
end because the only reason show he got is because
he's a two way player.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, No, I just don't.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And and Wan Soto had a great year of the
Yankees forty one home runs career high.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I think he batted two eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
He had a tremendous season, But really, seven eight hundred million,
I don't see that.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Six gonna be six hundred six, which is ridiculous. In six.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
That is absolutely ridiculous if you think about the money
money they're making.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Shopping in the welfare. Six hundred million.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
But that's how much money baseball is taking in. I
don't let anybody tell you.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
All right, last one Fowler Fair Jr. Gamble sitting in
with the fellas. Speaking of Otani, he capped off the
historic fifty to fifty MVP season with the World Series title.
As you know, even though the shoulder injury prevented him
from actually doing anything in the Fall Classic. Even still,
after the game, Andrew Friedman said that this World Series
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ring gives Otani quote a legitimate argument as the greatest
player of all time.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Stop rolling your eyes, Rob Parker.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Jam I didn't even look at him and factor in
the two way ability the.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
MVPs and now the Championship. Foul or fair to call
Otani the goat for the final.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Time in twenty twenty four. Foul?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
That is a foul ball.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
No, that's utterly ridiculous and disrespectful to the real legends
and bricklayers of the game. Stop it no way know
how as Rob Parker would say, let's end the discussions
for the seasons. Right here, I'm speachless on that one.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Uh No, that is absolutely foul. Is a foul ball.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
The reason why he still has about, you know, four
or five legitimate, really really good years. Let's talk then,
But right now it's too early. He hasn't even pitched
for the Dodgers yet. Let's see if he goes out,
wins him twenty games and has another fifty sixty home
run season, he's.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Gotta do some more.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
You gotta give me another ring, another two or three
amazing season. Then we can start to have the conversation.
But no, even as a fan, No, then we gotta
settle down, pump the brakes, hold up.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
It's a little too early for that. Yes foul. Of course, is.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
There any potential? We know you're gonna say five, But
at least for me, the window is open.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Well, but I just need a lot more.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And when when people start saying that, and I get it,
prisoner of the moment, But the disrespect to God like
Hank Aaron, who played twenty four years averaged one hundred
RBIs okay if you take away yeah, if you take
away Hank Aaron's seven hundred and fifty five career home runs,
he still had three thousand hits, like you cannot dis
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count how many years and and his production and what
he was able to do. And then you got Willie
Mays and Barry Bonds. Like to just say that this guy,
after four years is the greatest player ever is ridiculous,
especially when he didn't win the World Series MVP and
didn't hit a Grand Slam home running the bottom of
the ninth to win.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
You know what I mean? You gotta give me more
than that.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
It is Baloney's I'm not saying BALONEI with a little mustard.
I ain't mad at that. That's it depends. Is this
the seventies?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
What I know you're not talking. I'm just saying when
we were kids, maybe fried Baloney. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
First of all, I'm not convinced you don't eat fry Baloni.
Right now, I watch you eat every day Baloney, Alex
and g gonna stretch for rob no robery.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
What do I eat, Alex? Alex already knows. When I'm
at home and I'm making something for a snack.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Oh meat, she's in mayo.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Baby, that's right, But it's no, it's not Bolooney it's
usually ham with a little mayo and cheese.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Okay, whoa exotic? All right, well, j for everything this year.
This is your last appearance for the baseball season. My man,
great job.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
It's so ha to say goodbye to Jy A thank you, brother,
It's been a blast.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
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Speaker 6 (10:28):
And here comes the mandatory obligatory disrespect.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I'm Dave Roberts.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Disrespect that not just you, everybody else.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I'm putting context to it. Let me let me tell
you who won.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yesterday is the greatest manager of all? Can we stop
with that? Bruce Bochie? First of all, who's who's going
on number? But Bruce Bochie went to five World Series
with three different teams. Okay, I'm gonna put him at
the top of the list, and I'll talk about Casey
Stangle and the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I'm talking about modern modern New York I'm with Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So he won three with the Giants, he won one
with the Rangers, the organization that had never won, and
he took the Padres to the World Series that lost
to that great nineteen ninety nine Yankees team. So when
you look at his career, that is he's maximized it.
He's won in other places. When you only win one place,
sometimes you can look and go, well, you know, to me,
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when you move around and you start to win another places,
it talks about you.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Hold up pump breaks. I can't win another places if
I ain't win there yet. He's only been a Dodger manager,
wasn't he was a manager of the Padres. Well, okay,
right now, he's what eight of nine Division titles, two
World Series titles, and everybody wanted to hate on the
twenty twenty but whatever, if you want to hate on it,
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that's fi.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Everybody had the same chances to win. I'm not one right,
they won, They won the championship.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
And he's gone too more World Series he didn't win them,
got cheated out of one.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
But that story for another day.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
So one in at this rate, still a very young
person in this profession. I mean you got guys coach
managing to their you know, seventies. He still can go
somewhere else, or he can still win more with the doctors.
He believes They're in a dynasty right now, they're entering
their dynasty era. In the words of Tyreese, what more
do you want from me? Like, I mean, nobody's saying
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he has to be the greatest manager of the modern era.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
But what more than you want?
Speaker 6 (12:27):
I've won two World Series, I've been to multiples.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
They won fourteen out of fifteen divisions? So can I
get there?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I haven't been there yet, No, but I'm just trying
to say so there has been. That's why I'm saying
he's the black Bobby Cox, except for he's won a
second one.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
This is what was big for him.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Bobby Cox only won one, and I thought Bobby Cox
with the talent.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
That he had, Uh, you had.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Three Hall of Fame pictures in the set was crazy rotation.
That is incredible, and that they only came away with
one and people will like the Dodgers were in that
circumstance as well, because.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
They weren't winning. They were winning.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Divisions the last two years they got knocked out in
the first round. That's why this was huge. Get would
you give me that? For Dave Roberts Couch they lost
to the Padres. I don't know if he would still
be the manager next year. I'm definitely sorry. I'm gonna
like quote my own self here.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I tweeted something that essentially goes to what you're saying,
that this was the Dodgers exercising some demons, right, because
people will say, hey, that twenty twenty then count shortened season, this,
that and the other. It was COVID, So it really
wasn't account they did that. They'll say, hey, you know, well,
you couldn't beat this team, couldn't be that when they
beat the Padres, who were their upstart rivals, the young team,
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and then they beat the Yankees, who have been historically
their rival, although not in the modern you know, last
forty years, and then more importantly, to the point Dave
Roberts has get been scolded. He wins, well, it's only
it's the GMS. You know, they're setting everything up to
set in the line. It's the team. It's it's easy.
We got a caller earlier. It's the Dodgers. You're supposed
to win it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
It's not enough. He loses.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
It's his fault. He should have took Kershaw out earlier,
should have kept this picture, shouldn't have put Kershaw in
so it's always something I want to give the man
his flowers. Can he get a bouquet? Can he get
a bouquet? Can he get at least he.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Got he's getting credit. What do you is he an
American Express card? What do you want from him? He
won the champion, he won the World Series. And I
just said that he deserves credit because he because of
the last couple of years, it wasn't pretty and he
deserved blame because we we have to look at it
this way, and this is what I don't like.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well, he not bitching, well, he did not striking out.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, if that's the case, then he's not hitting home
runs and he's I'm saying, I'm gonna give you credit.
When Freddie Fraeman it's a walk off Grand Slam. Then
when Freddie Freeman strikes out on the bottom of the
ninth you lose the game that you should have won,
then you're gonna get some blame for that as well.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
That's quarter all right, everything's great. This quarterbacks great, but
when his team doesn't win, he doesn't get to blame.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
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Speaker 6 (15:17):
You asked about the statue does he deserve, does he
think he'll get one or not.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Highly, I get a statue of me put anywhere for
playing basketball.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
So it's usually those guys who got the Hall of.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
Fame career with the championships and you've been with one
city for a long time. That's not the case for me.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Well, one thing you can't say is Kevin Duran ain't
self aware at least in this case, because he's right,
I'm gonna reserve about ninety eight percent, right, maybe there's
some two percent, Okay. So he says, you know, we
wouldn't have had the run that we had without him
and does something like that. But the thing about it,
he's got the stats, he's got the rings, he's got
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the final MVPs.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
He just ain't got a home. Rob, he ain't got
a home you know.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Okay, See left on bad terms because he went to
the Evil Empire, which was the Warriors at the time.
So that's obviously gonna have people feel in the some
type of way. Then he wins with the Warriors, but
everybody's always gonna say that was Steph's teams, Klay's teams,
Drabiste that.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Team, But that team also choked down a three to
one lead, and they only won because he got there.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
No, I don't agree on, but I think it's how
it ended. And then he left. I had he stuck
around another two years. Now we start to have those
conversations one two. They don't have those two championships without.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
No, without a doubt.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
The Cavs had their number, and Kyrie was only getting better,
and Lebron is Lebron who they never had an answer
for Lebron.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I think that, like the whole Warriors uh run would
totally look different if Kevin Durant didn't go agree more.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I'm dead serious because that choke of the three to one.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Remember that year they didn't lose more than two games
in a row, and they lost three in a row,
and they lost the last three games and two were
at home, including Game seven, Like that was a major,
major choke to.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Lose, and the way like they've never had an answer
for Lebron even when they had KD. Remember Game one
when Jr. Doesn't go up and doesn't score, Lebron scores
like fifty one on them, so they never had an
answer for him. And he came back and won, and
he and Kyrie were cooking. Kyrie was getting better and better.
So yeah, that was a KD saved them. However, the
issue we're not talking about that we're asking does do
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you get a statue?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
And he wasn't there long enough.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
It ended poorly, ended with beef with Draymond and I
think they've squashed it since, but it just felt it
felt icky, didn't feel right the way he left. Fans
were kind of like, ah, he moved on, goes to Brooklyn,
nothing really manifested there.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
In fact, it was underwhelming.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
He Kyrie and James Harden and then now with Phoenix
is like, I don't know what to expect.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
They probably never won anything there.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
So yeah, Kd's most likely never getting a statue, like
I said, unless okay, see just kind of feels like, hey,
we want to honor somebody in our history and they
decide to honor him.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, but he won two finals MVPs. He's the one
that helped him win those two in Golden State. And
my point is that KD I get it because he's
moved around but this is why everybody doesn't deserve a
statue anyway, and he has Hall of Fame Numbers's career
is amazing, but is an amazing if you look at
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his resume.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Uh. And that's why, to me, a statue is.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Really for the the the ultimate, the top echelon, not
only with your team but in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Like you got to be like one of those players.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Who was known league wide or you know, yeah, like
transcended more so than just the best player whoever played
for the Miami Heat or for the Brooklyn Nets or
like like if you look at the Nets, like you
you would put a statue if you want to, Doctor j.
Because they want they want to two championships in the
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APA back then, that's their history. Doctor j played for
the New York Nets back then when they were on
Long Island out and then they moved to Jersey and
then Brooklyn. But that's a player of that Doctor Jy's
not just a Net. He also played for the Sixers
and is considered one of the all time greatest players.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Those to me are the people who deserve statues. So
KD doesn't deserve one. Talent wise, career wise, I think
he does deserve one. He just doesn't have a home
to where I could place it. He stays in OKCE.
They win one, even if they only win one. But
and he continues the rest of his career and he
has this amazing thing. He's got the NBA Finals, another
four or five All Star appearances and all that. Then
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he absolutely would get one in OKC. But he's not
gonna get one, and he doesn't have because he doesn't
have a home, and he's gonna be one of those
weird players when you got to describe the greats of
the greats later, like he was transcended talent. I've always
said he was the best offensive player I've ever seen
in my own eyes. I didn't get a chance to
see Michael Jordan play my own eyes, otherwise they probably
have been him, but over Kobe, over Iverson, over Lebron over.
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When you watch Kevin Urrant in real life, you're like,
he probably has about twenty two to night. You look up,
you're like thirty eight because there's the easiest thirty eight
because there's like really no answer for him.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Put somebody small, he's posting them.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Put somebody BIG's blown around him, shooting over everybody he's
just offensively talent like that, talented like that, but he's
not gonna get one. The key part he knows it's
longevity in one place where you belove, you trained it,
you transformed that city. I don't quite agree with you
that you've had to be so transformative to the league.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, I just like you should be of that. Ilk.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
There shouldn't be a statue in front of every city
like there just shouldn't be like this whole notion that
you know, like every team has to have a statue
out front.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
No, every team doesn't have to have a statue out front.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
This is some of the worst football I've ever seen
in my life. By the way this is, I mean,
Steve Segger is in there cracking up. This is some
of the worst.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But I don't think that I don't think that was
a completed pass, was it they call?
Speaker 6 (21:02):
As of now, it was called Aaron Rodgers throws up
maybe I don't know, seven yard past tight end. He
catches it, turns around and fumbles it. At least as
it's called of right now, it'll probably be incomplete. But
it's just the football is terrible. I couldn't tell my gosh,
Mark it's.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So slowed down, I can't tell does he have no
that was real time speed.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
That's how I've just something joke. I'm saying, that's how
bad it is.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
If it is a touchdown for a huge toon yet,
like I know, what do we watch?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
This is terrible, But to put a button on this,
I don't abide by the standard. You're a little little
higher because I look at his individual teams, Like if
there was an NBA Hall of Fame of statues, then yes,
you have to have a certain crid a little bit
more of the criteria For me, I think there's certain
like d Wade is the epitome of this guy deserves
a Hall of Fame or a statue in Miami right
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in front of the stadium there.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I think it's American Airlines from the Bron and Chris
Bosh go there.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You still think so if they only won the one championship,
will you get a statue?
Speaker 6 (21:59):
I'd have to have more content to go to another final.
If he didn't win it, but he.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Won the one, he just won the one the way,
will still get one?
Speaker 7 (22:06):
Say?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And that's why I think Lebron and them being there
is what changed the change Dwayne Wade's stature in the
league because of those making a super team.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
This is me, I get you, but I think because
he also embodied it's not just quite the stats either.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's that's what that's retiring someone's number, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
A statue is different from me, should his number be
retired or just like they say that's a given, Like
they just named the floor after pat Riley. I get
all that. They're not gonna put a statue out front
for pat.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Riley, I don't think so that's absolutely nothing. Fetch he
won one as a coach, he's one one as the president.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Uh, you don't see that many executives.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Yeah, but that wouldn't shock me if pat Ryley pat
Rodley was the coaching we mess around and retired Michael
Jordan's number, who had nothing to do with their organization.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Was dumb.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
That was domb So why not like honor your my
own self and and what is it the.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
That was just weird.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
I mean, like it wasn't like that if he died
and eventually I get it, like he but he.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Wasn't Jackie Robinson where but his numbers were tired with
all the teams because he broke the color barrier and
changed the United States.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
He broke up the air burrier, the sound bear like
he jumped the higher see.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
I don't know, I was a little weird because again,
if Michael Jordan, let's say he I hate to say
it like this, but if it was a Kobe Bryant
passing where you just want to honor him, say he passed,
you know, fifteen twenty years ago, I can understand that.
But like dude was like thirty eight. He's right there
in my face, like that's a little weird coming in town, Like, yeah,
you know you put my jersey in there. I'd be like,
I have regrets immediately, never I take it down. Take
(23:40):
it down.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
I don't need to do that, But yeah, you're you're
a little harder on the statue. For me, I'd look
at as an individual team what you meant to this
organization also the city and and and to me it
makes sense, but I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
But Kevin Urrant does not have a home, He doesn't
have a place that he belongs. Just kind of sad
given how talented he is and great, how what he
meant to the sport, but I just don't think he
has a home, which is kind of sad. Maybe he
retires the last two years of his career, goes back
to OKC or something just for sentimental value, but
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Speaker 3 (01:01):
JR Gamble, what's up?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Bro?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
What what's up? Fella? What's up? Rob? Rob Calvin? We
are coming to the end of another great season and
I'm happy that I made it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
And he was in the Boogie Down Bronx all three
games for MLB broa dot com.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So he was there.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
He saw the maltdown personal he did all right, guys,
let's get to it.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
JR.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Star the same against the first crack at every question.
Here we go now to no one's surprised. Freddy Freeman
took home World Series MVP last night. He had three
hundred for the series, four homers, twelve RBI.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
He was killing it. But there's more, all right.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Freeman has had an RBI and seven straight World Series games,
tied for the third longest stretch in history. He also
has at least one hitting every World Series game he's
ever played in, and for his World Series career, freemanton
three ten and eleven games, six homer, seventeen RBI, the
most by any player through his.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
First two World Series appearances. I'm already saying foul already.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Are already know fair to say that Freddie Freeman is
the real mister.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I don't even see the notes.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
I knew that that's a good question, but foul. That
is a foul ball, and that's why you couldn't even
get the question finished. There's only one missed October and
that's Reggie Jackson. As lethal as Freeman's been I don't
think he's accomplished the power performance of a Reggie. He's
(02:27):
been the most consistent October hit of maybe, but if
you look at the record books, the guys like Gary Jeeter,
Bernie Williams, of course mister October himself, Reggie Jackson who
have slightly better I think statistics that have been there
more often and more consistent. But Freeman has atcended to
that class. So you know, you have to find another
(02:49):
nickname for him, though, because miss October mister November take it.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I'm with JR.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Found that.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
No, no, no, it's because Reggie Jackson. Let's Freddy has
been tremendous. Reggie Jackson won three World Series with the
Oakland Ages before he ever got to New York, right,
and then hit the three home runs off of three
different pitchers on three consecutive pitches, Like that will never
be done by anybody. You talk about hitting home runs
(03:17):
all these games, Reggie Jackson is missed October to me,
and that doesn't take anything away from Freddie Freeman.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
No answers file, but to.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Mad it's awesome to see, like you know, how we
always have things from the past and like we make
it like that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It can never change, it can't.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
He is mister October, but Freddie has definitely created his
own lane.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I don't know if they want to come up with
another one.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Mister Fall says, his name is Freddie Freeman, like Freddie
you know something, mister Fall or something.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
But what he did, Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Yeah, mister Fall, Freddie Fall or something like that, Freddie Fall.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Right, yeah, I like that better than mister October. All right,
but hold on different, Pretend I didn't hear that one.
Let me go trademark.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Well, let's just say, though, if Freddie Freeman plays as
many World Series games as Risky time, he is gonna
blow his numbers out of the water.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Rogers plays a lot. I played twenty seven World Series games.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, that's I think is gonna play that many.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
But maybe we'll see here what Dave Roberts said, it's
a dynasty. He go question number two.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Now that the World Series overall, I shift and of
course the free agency, no bigger fish in that free
agent pond than Juan Soto. And you know, in fact,
the ESPN's Carl Ravach said this morning on ESPN he
thinks Soda will get at least minimum starting dollar seven
hundred million dollars in his next deal, He's gonna get
(04:35):
something to start with the seven, if not maybe even
eight in front of it. Okay, here's the question, j
are foul or fair to said? As good as Sodo is,
a team will regret giving him a seven hundred million
dollar contract.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Uh, it's a fair ball because if you've been watching
baseball pass twenty years or so, you know these two
conc acts rarely work out. And I'm still skeptical even
on O Tany's contract, because players get hurt, they get older,
and they don't get healthier and better as the contact
(05:10):
goes on. So let's be honest, there's only a few
teams who can sign. So the Rob and I spoke
about this on the Inside the Parking Podcast earlier met Giants,
the Yankees, maybe a dark horse of Detroit Tigers. They have,
you know, gods the money to spend. But come on,
the price is only relevant to the team and how
(05:31):
it feels to constructs the winner around Sodo. I don't
think any players worth that money, but the owners are
burst out the scenes of millions of dollars, and that's
what the market requires. But of course, the team always
regrets that unless they win to championship.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Fair it's a full ball.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
No one humans really worth that much, including y'all knowhnfel
about show hat and including show hate. And it's not
as if Soto is gonna be out there pitching.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
And at least you can at least try to rationalize
that I got a twenty game twenty five games you know,
starter in show hey, as well as a hitter.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Uh. Yeah, that you that back end of that money.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
See Albert Poolholes, see Josh Hamilton, see so many guys
where you're like, how much it I pay him? So no,
I don't think it's ever gonna be worth it, So
fair to say it won't be worth it.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, I'm gonna say fair as much ball.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I think I think Carl Ravage was on the deep
end because the only reason show he got is because
he's a two way player.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, No, I just don't.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And and Wan Soto had a great year of the
Yankees forty one home runs career high.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I think he batted two eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
He had a tremendous season, But really, seven eight hundred million,
I don't see that.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Six gonna be six hundred six, which is ridiculous. In six.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
That is absolutely ridiculous if you think about the money
money they're making.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Shopping in the welfare. Six hundred million.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
But that's how much money baseball is taking in. I
don't let anybody tell you.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
All right, last one Fowler Fair Jr. Gamble sitting in
with the fellas. Speaking of Otani, he capped off the
historic fifty to fifty MVP season with the World Series title.
As you know, even though the shoulder injury prevented him
from actually doing anything in the Fall Classic. Even still,
after the game, Andrew Friedman said that this World Series
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ring gives Otani quote a legitimate argument as the greatest
player of all time.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Stop rolling your eyes, Rob Parker.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Jam I didn't even look at him and factor in
the two way ability the.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
MVPs and now the Championship. Foul or fair to call
Otani the goat for the final.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Time in twenty twenty four. Foul?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
That is a foul ball.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
No, that's utterly ridiculous and disrespectful to the real legends
and bricklayers of the game. Stop it no way know
how as Rob Parker would say, let's end the discussions
for the seasons. Right here, I'm speachless on that one.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Uh No, that is absolutely foul. Is a foul ball.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
The reason why he still has about, you know, four
or five legitimate, really really good years. Let's talk then,
But right now it's too early. He hasn't even pitched
for the Dodgers yet. Let's see if he goes out,
wins him twenty games and has another fifty sixty home
run season, he's.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Gotta do some more.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
You gotta give me another ring, another two or three
amazing season. Then we can start to have the conversation.
But no, even as a fan, No, then we gotta
settle down, pump the brakes, hold up.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
It's a little too early for that. Yes foul. Of course, is.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
There any potential? We know you're gonna say five, But
at least for me, the window is open.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Well, but I just need a lot more.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And when when people start saying that, and I get it,
prisoner of the moment, But the disrespect to God like
Hank Aaron, who played twenty four years averaged one hundred
RBIs okay if you take away yeah, if you take
away Hank Aaron's seven hundred and fifty five career home runs,
he still had three thousand hits, like you cannot dis
(09:00):
count how many years and and his production and what
he was able to do. And then you got Willie
Mays and Barry Bonds. Like to just say that this guy,
after four years is the greatest player ever is ridiculous,
especially when he didn't win the World Series MVP and
didn't hit a Grand Slam home running the bottom of
the ninth to win.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
You know what I mean? You gotta give me more
than that.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
It is Baloney's I'm not saying BALONEI with a little mustard.
I ain't mad at that. That's it depends. Is this
the seventies?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
What I know you're not talking. I'm just saying when
we were kids, maybe fried Baloney. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
First of all, I'm not convinced you don't eat fry Baloni.
Right now, I watch you eat every day Baloney, Alex
and g gonna stretch for rob no robery.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
What do I eat, Alex? Alex already knows. When I'm
at home and I'm making something for a snack.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Oh meat, she's in mayo.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Baby, that's right, But it's no, it's not Bolooney it's
usually ham with a little mayo and cheese.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Okay, whoa exotic? All right, well, j for everything this year.
This is your last appearance for the baseball season. My man,
great job.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
It's so ha to say goodbye to Jy A thank you, brother,
It's been a blast.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
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Speaker 6 (10:28):
And here comes the mandatory obligatory disrespect.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I'm Dave Roberts.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Disrespect that not just you, everybody else.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I'm putting context to it. Let me let me tell
you who won.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yesterday is the greatest manager of all? Can we stop
with that? Bruce Bochie? First of all, who's who's going
on number? But Bruce Bochie went to five World Series
with three different teams. Okay, I'm gonna put him at
the top of the list, and I'll talk about Casey
Stangle and the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I'm talking about modern modern New York I'm with Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So he won three with the Giants, he won one
with the Rangers, the organization that had never won, and
he took the Padres to the World Series that lost
to that great nineteen ninety nine Yankees team. So when
you look at his career, that is he's maximized it.
He's won in other places. When you only win one place,
sometimes you can look and go, well, you know, to me,
(11:22):
when you move around and you start to win another places,
it talks about you.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Hold up pump breaks. I can't win another places if
I ain't win there yet. He's only been a Dodger manager,
wasn't he was a manager of the Padres. Well, okay,
right now, he's what eight of nine Division titles, two
World Series titles, and everybody wanted to hate on the
twenty twenty but whatever, if you want to hate on it,
(11:47):
that's fi.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Everybody had the same chances to win. I'm not one right,
they won, They won the championship.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
And he's gone too more World Series he didn't win them,
got cheated out of one.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
But that story for another day.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
So one in at this rate, still a very young
person in this profession. I mean you got guys coach
managing to their you know, seventies. He still can go
somewhere else, or he can still win more with the doctors.
He believes They're in a dynasty right now, they're entering
their dynasty era. In the words of Tyreese, what more
do you want from me? Like, I mean, nobody's saying
(12:20):
he has to be the greatest manager of the modern era.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
But what more than you want?
Speaker 6 (12:27):
I've won two World Series, I've been to multiples.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
They won fourteen out of fifteen divisions? So can I
get there?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I haven't been there yet, No, but I'm just trying
to say so there has been. That's why I'm saying
he's the black Bobby Cox, except for he's won a
second one.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
This is what was big for him.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Bobby Cox only won one, and I thought Bobby Cox
with the talent.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
That he had, Uh, you had.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Three Hall of Fame pictures in the set was crazy rotation.
That is incredible, and that they only came away with
one and people will like the Dodgers were in that
circumstance as well, because.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
They weren't winning. They were winning.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Divisions the last two years they got knocked out in
the first round. That's why this was huge. Get would
you give me that? For Dave Roberts Couch they lost
to the Padres. I don't know if he would still
be the manager next year. I'm definitely sorry. I'm gonna
like quote my own self here.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I tweeted something that essentially goes to what you're saying,
that this was the Dodgers exercising some demons, right, because
people will say, hey, that twenty twenty then count shortened season, this,
that and the other. It was COVID, So it really
wasn't account they did that. They'll say, hey, you know, well,
you couldn't beat this team, couldn't be that when they
beat the Padres, who were their upstart rivals, the young team,
(13:44):
and then they beat the Yankees, who have been historically
their rival, although not in the modern you know, last
forty years, and then more importantly, to the point Dave
Roberts has get been scolded. He wins, well, it's only
it's the GMS. You know, they're setting everything up to
set in the line. It's the team. It's it's easy.
We got a caller earlier. It's the Dodgers. You're supposed
to win it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
It's not enough. He loses.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
It's his fault. He should have took Kershaw out earlier,
should have kept this picture, shouldn't have put Kershaw in
so it's always something I want to give the man
his flowers. Can he get a bouquet? Can he get
a bouquet? Can he get at least he.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Got he's getting credit. What do you is he an
American Express card? What do you want from him? He
won the champion, he won the World Series. And I
just said that he deserves credit because he because of
the last couple of years, it wasn't pretty and he
deserved blame because we we have to look at it
this way, and this is what I don't like.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well, he not bitching, well, he did not striking out.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, if that's the case, then he's not hitting home
runs and he's I'm saying, I'm gonna give you credit.
When Freddie Fraeman it's a walk off Grand Slam. Then
when Freddie Freeman strikes out on the bottom of the
ninth you lose the game that you should have won,
then you're gonna get some blame for that as well.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
That's quarter all right, everything's great. This quarterbacks great, but
when his team doesn't win, he doesn't get to blame.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
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Speaker 6 (15:17):
You asked about the statue does he deserve, does he
think he'll get one or not.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Highly, I get a statue of me put anywhere for
playing basketball.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
So it's usually those guys who got the Hall of.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
Fame career with the championships and you've been with one
city for a long time. That's not the case for me.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Well, one thing you can't say is Kevin Duran ain't
self aware at least in this case, because he's right,
I'm gonna reserve about ninety eight percent, right, maybe there's
some two percent, Okay. So he says, you know, we
wouldn't have had the run that we had without him
and does something like that. But the thing about it,
he's got the stats, he's got the rings, he's got
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the final MVPs.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
He just ain't got a home. Rob, he ain't got
a home you know.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Okay, See left on bad terms because he went to
the Evil Empire, which was the Warriors at the time.
So that's obviously gonna have people feel in the some
type of way. Then he wins with the Warriors, but
everybody's always gonna say that was Steph's teams, Klay's teams,
Drabiste that.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Team, But that team also choked down a three to
one lead, and they only won because he got there.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
No, I don't agree on, but I think it's how
it ended. And then he left. I had he stuck
around another two years. Now we start to have those
conversations one two. They don't have those two championships without.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
No, without a doubt.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
The Cavs had their number, and Kyrie was only getting better,
and Lebron is Lebron who they never had an answer
for Lebron.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I think that, like the whole Warriors uh run would
totally look different if Kevin Durant didn't go agree more.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I'm dead serious because that choke of the three to one.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Remember that year they didn't lose more than two games
in a row, and they lost three in a row,
and they lost the last three games and two were
at home, including Game seven, Like that was a major,
major choke to.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Lose, and the way like they've never had an answer
for Lebron even when they had KD. Remember Game one
when Jr. Doesn't go up and doesn't score, Lebron scores
like fifty one on them, so they never had an
answer for him. And he came back and won, and
he and Kyrie were cooking. Kyrie was getting better and better.
So yeah, that was a KD saved them. However, the
issue we're not talking about that we're asking does do
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you get a statue?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
And he wasn't there long enough.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
It ended poorly, ended with beef with Draymond and I
think they've squashed it since, but it just felt it
felt icky, didn't feel right the way he left. Fans
were kind of like, ah, he moved on, goes to Brooklyn,
nothing really manifested there.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
In fact, it was underwhelming.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
He Kyrie and James Harden and then now with Phoenix
is like, I don't know what to expect.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
They probably never won anything there.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
So yeah, Kd's most likely never getting a statue, like
I said, unless okay, see just kind of feels like, hey,
we want to honor somebody in our history and they
decide to honor him.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, but he won two finals MVPs. He's the one
that helped him win those two in Golden State. And
my point is that KD I get it because he's
moved around but this is why everybody doesn't deserve a
statue anyway, and he has Hall of Fame Numbers's career
is amazing, but is an amazing if you look at
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his resume.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Uh. And that's why, to me, a statue is.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Really for the the the ultimate, the top echelon, not
only with your team but in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Like you got to be like one of those players.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Who was known league wide or you know, yeah, like
transcended more so than just the best player whoever played
for the Miami Heat or for the Brooklyn Nets or
like like if you look at the Nets, like you
you would put a statue if you want to, Doctor j.
Because they want they want to two championships in the
(19:01):
APA back then, that's their history. Doctor j played for
the New York Nets back then when they were on
Long Island out and then they moved to Jersey and
then Brooklyn. But that's a player of that Doctor Jy's
not just a Net. He also played for the Sixers
and is considered one of the all time greatest players.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Those to me are the people who deserve statues. So
KD doesn't deserve one. Talent wise, career wise, I think
he does deserve one. He just doesn't have a home
to where I could place it. He stays in OKCE.
They win one, even if they only win one. But
and he continues the rest of his career and he
has this amazing thing. He's got the NBA Finals, another
four or five All Star appearances and all that. Then
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he absolutely would get one in OKC. But he's not
gonna get one, and he doesn't have because he doesn't
have a home, and he's gonna be one of those
weird players when you got to describe the greats of
the greats later, like he was transcended talent. I've always
said he was the best offensive player I've ever seen
in my own eyes. I didn't get a chance to
see Michael Jordan play my own eyes, otherwise they probably
have been him, but over Kobe, over Iverson, over Lebron over.
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When you watch Kevin Urrant in real life, you're like,
he probably has about twenty two to night. You look up,
you're like thirty eight because there's the easiest thirty eight
because there's like really no answer for him.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Put somebody small, he's posting them.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Put somebody BIG's blown around him, shooting over everybody he's
just offensively talent like that, talented like that, but he's
not gonna get one. The key part he knows it's
longevity in one place where you belove, you trained it,
you transformed that city. I don't quite agree with you
that you've had to be so transformative to the league.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, I just like you should be of that. Ilk.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
There shouldn't be a statue in front of every city
like there just shouldn't be like this whole notion that
you know, like every team has to have a statue
out front.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
No, every team doesn't have to have a statue out front.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
This is some of the worst football I've ever seen
in my life. By the way this is, I mean,
Steve Segger is in there cracking up. This is some
of the worst.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But I don't think that I don't think that was
a completed pass, was it they call?
Speaker 6 (21:02):
As of now, it was called Aaron Rodgers throws up
maybe I don't know, seven yard past tight end. He
catches it, turns around and fumbles it. At least as
it's called of right now, it'll probably be incomplete. But
it's just the football is terrible. I couldn't tell my gosh,
Mark it's.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So slowed down, I can't tell does he have no
that was real time speed.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
That's how I've just something joke. I'm saying, that's how
bad it is.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
If it is a touchdown for a huge toon yet,
like I know, what do we watch?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
This is terrible, But to put a button on this,
I don't abide by the standard. You're a little little
higher because I look at his individual teams, Like if
there was an NBA Hall of Fame of statues, then yes,
you have to have a certain crid a little bit
more of the criteria For me, I think there's certain
like d Wade is the epitome of this guy deserves
a Hall of Fame or a statue in Miami right
(21:49):
in front of the stadium there.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I think it's American Airlines from the Bron and Chris
Bosh go there.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You still think so if they only won the one championship,
will you get a statue?
Speaker 6 (21:59):
I'd have to have more content to go to another final.
If he didn't win it, but he.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Won the one, he just won the one the way,
will still get one?
Speaker 7 (22:06):
Say?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And that's why I think Lebron and them being there
is what changed the change Dwayne Wade's stature in the
league because of those making a super team.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
This is me, I get you, but I think because
he also embodied it's not just quite the stats either.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's that's what that's retiring someone's number, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
A statue is different from me, should his number be
retired or just like they say that's a given, Like
they just named the floor after pat Riley. I get
all that. They're not gonna put a statue out front
for pat.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Riley, I don't think so that's absolutely nothing. Fetch he
won one as a coach, he's one one as the president.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Uh, you don't see that many executives.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Yeah, but that wouldn't shock me if pat Ryley pat
Rodley was the coaching we mess around and retired Michael
Jordan's number, who had nothing to do with their organization.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Was dumb.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
That was domb So why not like honor your my
own self and and what is it the.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
That was just weird.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
I mean, like it wasn't like that if he died
and eventually I get it, like he but he.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Wasn't Jackie Robinson where but his numbers were tired with
all the teams because he broke the color barrier and
changed the United States.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
He broke up the air burrier, the sound bear like
he jumped the higher see.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
I don't know, I was a little weird because again,
if Michael Jordan, let's say he I hate to say
it like this, but if it was a Kobe Bryant
passing where you just want to honor him, say he passed,
you know, fifteen twenty years ago, I can understand that.
But like dude was like thirty eight. He's right there
in my face, like that's a little weird coming in town, Like, yeah,
you know you put my jersey in there. I'd be like,
I have regrets immediately, never I take it down. Take
(23:40):
it down.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
I don't need to do that, But yeah, you're you're
a little harder on the statue. For me, I'd look
at as an individual team what you meant to this
organization also the city and and and to me it
makes sense, but I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
But Kevin Urrant does not have a home, He doesn't
have a place that he belongs. Just kind of sad
given how talented he is and great, how what he
meant to the sport, but I just don't think he
has a home, which is kind of sad. Maybe he
retires the last two years of his career, goes back
to OKC or something just for sentimental value, but
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