November 4, 2024 • 37 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether this turnover-filled season proves that the Green Bay Packers paid Jordan Love prematurely and explain why Lamar Jackson’s run of NFL MVP awards illustrates the shortcomings of Michael Vick. Plus, Hall of Fame defensive back and FOX Sports Radio NFL analyst Rod Woodson swings by to discuss Jackson vs Derrick Henry in the NFL MVP race, the idea that Jared Goff is a dark horse MVP candidate and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
All right, our number two on a Magic City Monday.
And you know what, because I had to pay Shay
all that money, there's gonna be some young women who
cannot go to college next semester.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm just telling you that. And that's just a shame.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Man.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Why can't you for tuition this month? I can't do it?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Well, my sugar daddy ain't sugaring right now the way
he used to sugar.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, because I'm already out money. I man, nothing I
can do, all right, I said it was a little more.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
It was just like a straight up to you need
a little more flicking and flicking the wrists in it.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
It was just kind of like you just threw a block,
give me the money shot. The only difference is that
with Shaye that wasn't That's true. Okay, I respect that
he didn't have on nothing and have on Let me
put on what you're putting on nothing, right, I mean
like I'm I'm supposed to distant money.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
This that's real.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Like, first of all, I'm just saying, first of all,
you're brave because Shae, if his name was like Shanik
or like you know, Chavante, he might have had a
pta D like swung on you.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
You know, thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Thankfully it was shamee because you know somebody else might
have just like you know, you do money on me,
hold up at what you're doing. So I'm glad it
was shaking. Shane took it into sports. Davonte. Shane knew
that Vonte no, I know, but Savante money got at you. Well.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I mean, if I'm gonna give you one hundred dollars,
you know I'm not gonna do it the easy way.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's all I'm gonna say. He's lucky. It wasn't the
hundred singles, weren't torn and alf no that I had
to jump you with him on that.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
One because I was at Magic City and I'm not
going to name the baseball player I was with, but
I do remember him leaving a tip for the waitress
and he did rip the bills in half as he
walked out.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Four.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It was just like for dramatic effect. It was cool.
Did he get kicked out? No? No, no, they are
you kidding? They grabbed it. Scotch tape girl, get the tape? Yes,
all right? All right?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Coming up in about twenty seven minutes, Rob Woods in
the Hall of FAMDB and Fox Sports Radio NFL analysts.
You know, he does the Ravens games on on radio
as a color analyst, and we'll talk to him about
the Ravens and other teams. Of course he's up to
date on everything. But let's talk about you. You brought
up the Lions earlier, but we didn't really talk about
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the Packers, and the Packers lost, and I don't know,
I'm starting to look at Jordan Love a little differently, okay.
And I thought when he beat the Cowboys, at first
we thought that was his coming out party. My god,
he he was unbelievable. And then he had had like
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five or six games in a row. Better right in
the end of last season, because in the middle of
the season was like, ah, where is he? And then
it was like, okay, this guy. It all came together
and then they trashed the Dallas Cowboys in Dallas. Fast
forward to this season and you realize the Cowboys aren't
any good and they've been trashed by three other teams.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Okay, everybody, So it's not.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
A Jordan Love coming out party, only where he was
able to do it against his team that had won
sixteen straight home games and had this great defense. No,
we now know the Cowboys aren't any good and their
defense is terrible. So now you look at the Packers
and Jordan Love and guess what. He's a turnover machine.
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He had a couple more yesterday, right, Rob, do we
have the number, Rob g I mean he throws about
it feels like he throws two interceptions every game.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Well, here's the numbers that you should probably want to know.
This is not just this season kind of thing. Jordan Loves.
First nine games as a starter last year, fourteen touchdowns,
ten picks. People were saying maybe they should bench him,
maybe they made their all that stuff. Then he goes
on this heater, which is an all time great heater.
The next eight games, sixteen touchdowns, one pick, gets himself,
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secures the bag, the largest contract that included.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The playoff game and hold that big playoff game in
Dallas and everybody was watching, so they were like, they
got they got their guy. Unbelievable Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers,
and now Jordan Love.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
And then you fast forward to this season and it
looks eerily similar to the start of last season through
seven game because two of them missed with injury. Fifteen touchdowns,
ten picks. So the sandwiches end of it, the bread
part don't look great. You're hoping he's so we're in
the middle like we saw towards the end of last season.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Well, this is where I come out and I said
this a couple of weeks ago. This is why I
think the Packers are in good hands though, because I
think they have the marriage of Brett farre and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Literally what you just said was split exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Brett Farhr will throw a bunch of touchdowns, five touchdowns
on Monday Night Football after his father passing looked great.
Then Brett Farr will lose you the game because he
gambled and through an interception. That's the story of Brett Farvr. However,
went to a couple of Super Bowls. One to one
was an MVP with a couple of times, and so overall,
heck of a career. Hall of Famer, especially just on
the field. We'll leave off the field for another day.
(05:38):
How about helping the poor? No, no, I thought we
gonna leave that another day. We strictly we're gonna keep it,
you know, in between the lines. Now I go to
Aaron Rodgers amazing career, Hall of Fame career, arguably for me,
one of the top three most talented quarterbacks I've ever seen.
I mean, he's just pure talent. Won a bunch of games,
won a bunch of awards. You want more in the postseason.
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From that, you want more wins in the postseason. He
won more Super Bowls. Part of that, to me and others,
he was too conservative, he wouldn't make the mistake. He
was too calculated. And it works through the regular season.
But every now and again, you gotta thrown Eli Manning
pass where I'm gonna just close my eyes. I'm getting tackled,
and I hope David Tyree catches it. And I think
you have the perfect marriage between the two. When it
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comes to Jordan Love, He's gonna take some risks that
you're gonna scratch your head. He's gonna turn it over
every now and again. But also think those same things
will have him in a successful situation because he's gonna
take those risks. He's gonna be able to make passes
and plays that you're like, Man, I don't think anybody
else could have made that. And he's also talented like
an Aaron Rodgers and accurate like an Aaron Rodgers. So
I think they have their guy for another decade, and
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that'll be what forty years of quarterbacking for the Packers
where they've been solidified with three guys, So he's gonna
turn it over. He's very banged up by the way.
I mean you saw him like yesterday's but I don't
even know if he should have been out there.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He's so banged up.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
He's been injured last season a little bit this season
as well, So once he's healthy and at his best strength,
I think they still got a guy, and I'd be
one thousand percent happy to have him. In fact, there
might be off the top of my head, five six
guys I take over him.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Maybe if the entire NFL, I think they got one
of those ones and they'll be fine. As he continues
to get healthy and they continue to grow. This is
only but second and the one and a half year starting.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
No, but he's been in the league longer than that.
And and that's the thing, is like the difference. And
I'm not saying he's gonna be Aaron Rodgers where had
the best court touchdown the interception.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Race yet, but he's this is his fourth year and
and there should be more progress or growth, not to
just throw the football up for grabs or whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Like there's gotta be like and I'm not and I
agree that you see it. There's a lot to light.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, you've light. I'm not into the love that quickly.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That's a little for me. Yeah, we know.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
But the uh, it's just worrisome the interception. That many
interceptions because you already talked about what we've got.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
You got ten and fifteen to ten right now, but
that could be a if you keep on this, that's twenty. Yeah,
like we know Jameis wins.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Okay, we just talked about Jamis with that thirty, which
is ridiculous, But if he were to keep this pace up,
he would have twenty intercept That's not good enough.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
No, that's not, and I don't. I don't think then
that's what I said. That's a fair look, that's I
think he knows. I think he's going home like bro
I can't do that. But again, I just listen, man,
when you get one of those ones, man, you gotta
lock it in. I mean, Dallas has never been confident
that Dak is one of those ones. But they paid
him because they just like.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Vargued about Dak forever and I never bought into That's
what I'm saying most I never bought into him.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Those people didn't.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
They thought he's a fine court right like he playing
in the league ten, twelve, fifteen years, perfectly fine. He's
better than they get you to where they need him
more in Love is not one of those. I think
he's the opposite. I think Jordan Love will win. He
already has been. I think he'll continue to be able
to win you games. Uh, He's gonna win some big
games in Lambeau, big game for the Packers.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I think think they got a good one.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
And I hate it, you know, because he's gonna be
competing with Jared Goffer whoever the Lions quarterback is in
five years, you know, for the next decade, like they're
gonna have to deal with Jordan Love and that Packer team.
Just when you thought, man, the Lions can finally own
the division for a little while, here comes Jordan Love,
making them a legitimate team. I mean, if they win yesterday,
they're sitting at seven and two, top of the division,
and we're like here they go again, which they very
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well still could be throughout the rest of this season.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
So he's a turnover.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
He has turnovers, But I think he's the perfect hybrid
of Brett and Aaron Rodgers kind of what you want,
take a little risk. I need you to make some
gambleish plays, the peak Patrick Mahomes type plays where it's
like no, no, no, no, no, yes, yes, yes, yes yes,
but also be talented, be accurate like Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I think we see even we see with Patrick Mahomes
like he wasn't he wasn't doing that early on in
his career, and it's of late with the interceptions, and
they're gonna happen. I'm not saying you're not gonna have
You're not gonna have forty two touchdowns and four interceptions
like Aaron Rodgers would do. Like those are like crazy numbers.
Even Tom Brady had interceptions or nine or eight or whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
But ten early nine.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, you know what I mean, like like you got
you got a chance to have twenty this year, and
if going forward, you just.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Want them to make better decisions. That's all I think
he will.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I want to throw you as ten and seven games,
because remember he missed a comp he missed two games,
so that that's even a higher number. Jameis Winston somewhere
smiling like come on, come on, come on, you almost there,
Come on now when we play as a team thirty
on this thirty for thirty James Winston, The Good and
the Bad, starring Jameis Winston. Last point, I want to
make an interesting stat I've always seen and I was
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talking to Rogie earlier about it.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
One of the weird ones.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
And this is where I say when I talk about
the difference between like letting it fly and sometimes you
got to make some plays versus being ultra conservative and
kind of like it's not there. Maybe I shouldn't, you know,
what's weird? And I was fooled by this for years
with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is oh to forty two.
When he's down by one point to a above five
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hundred team in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I said that, right, rob G, because we were talking that.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I was telling Rodger is like, there's a couple of
stats I've seen about Aaron Rodgers and comebacks. I didn't
believe that because I thought, Aaron Rodg, you know, if
he comes back, come on as Aaron Rodgers so talented,
and I saw him do it ill. I feel like
I saw him doing that to the Lions for years.
Something about him. He can't come back in the fourth quarter.
It's crazy, the stats like he's it hot.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I don't even know he's doll all hail mary to
beat the to beat the Lions.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
No, that was a no, no, he was What was
that stat that one? I can't remember the exactly incident
a game, and I was mad because I can't believe
it was beautiful throw.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
But he can't come back when he's down one.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I don't know if he was tied in or I
don't remember the exact situation that game, but it's just
it is a real life stat.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I watched the playoff game against Aras he also threw
a hail mary to tie the game or whatever they
were down. Rob g when they look when they beat
San Francisco, he scored ten points in the fire and
the four. Do you remember the game against the forty
nine ers a couple of years ago they scored he had.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Is this regular season played with it was like they had,
but he has he had like twenty nine seconds Google it.
So this was so rob G when I this is
as of twenty twenty two? Was it? Yeah, twenty twenty one?
So it and then and so there's another one as well.
But it's just an odd thing. For as good as
he is and how talented he is, I assumed he's
a regular comeback. I like, osh if if Aaron Rodgers
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has a ball in his hand, it's a comeback, and
it's not the case.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
It's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
And I think a part of that is he just
overthinks he's too calculated. Sometimes you gotta let it go
and let the hey the chips fall where they may.
Sometimes you're gonna make the play, sometimes you're not. I'll
come back. I have the other stat to go with
that as well.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Here it is twenty eighteen. Watch Aaron Rodgers late heroics.
Green Bay goes past the forty nine ers. This doesn't
make sense to me. And the another one was at
forty nine ers. I remember remember the day we said
above five hundred teams. I don't remember twenty one. The
Packers beat the forty nine ers thirty to twenty eight
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on a on a game winning field goal, and he
drove the team down in the last.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I got this many.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
We got to make sure they are five hundred. That's
the stat against five hundred teams. We got to make
sure they're five hundred. We'll look at that again. That's
the key part. It was against FOP plus five hundred teams.
That has been the issue for Aaron Rodgers eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox having a conversation about Jordan Love.
Do you see the guy in Green Bay? Or they
still kind of skeptical on Jordan Love? Eight seven, seven
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ninety nine on Fox. Hit us up. It's the odd couple.
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nine on Fox having a conversation about Jordan Love.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Do you love Jordan Love? Is he the guy for
the Packers? Do you want more of you? Little? Maybe
the jury still out for you who we got?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, I think it's more just about him and the interceptions.
You know, ten and seven games? Does that worry you
that that's really I think he's a He's gonna have
a fine career. It's just about get that tighten up. Yes,
for sure, he knows it. He's got tighten up. Dion
in Texas, You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
What's going to be on?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Well, what's going on? Fellas Rob Man? I think You've
become a statissisian.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Man.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I'm not sure if he's watching the game, man, I mean,
come on, man, kay w you are exactly right.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
This dude, he has it.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
He has not played. You do not gain playing experience
sitting the bench for three years. How's he supposed to
get better sit in the bench for three years.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I don't know, because Aaron Rodgers set the bench for
three years. He was year No yet, just he didn't throw.
He never threw ten interceptions in seven games. No, I'm
just saying he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
He didn't. He sat for three years behind Brett Fares.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Okay, compare their stats for the first seventeen eighteen starts
for Jordan Love and the stats for Aaron Rodgers his
first eighteenth I know, very comparable.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, but I don't think he had as many interceptions.
I mean, you're talking about this year. I'm talking about
this year. The seven interceptions in ten games, that's all.
It just seems like every game there's two picks, that's all.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Okay, He's gonna get better, just only like his nineteenth
or twentieth NFL start.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And again, you comparing him to Aaron Rodgers, I'm not
getting I'm just.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Talking about number years.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I'm just talking about interceptions he has. He's in on
pace to have twenty some odd and that's you all.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Though, all the way.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Just for clarification, Aaron Rodgers first year started twenty eight touchdowns,
thirteen picks. Okay, so he's never been a high enough.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
That's what I'm saying. And that's all. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
So you can't look at that thirteen that's a little
up there, but not ten in the first seven games.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
He ain't gonna get to twenty though, twenty plus Jordan. Look, yeah, okay,
well you put a hunting on it. Yeah, okay, well.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
You don't want to do it. You ain't gonna be
you know, I'm the city and be hustled every day.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
No, I'm saying that, you know, because I would have
put three thousand that Justin Fields wouldn't be the quarterback
once up right, Wilson should have.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Said it with your chest a right, rob G.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
You should have said I wouldn't take that bet, said
it every day.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
We're gonna tell you right now, I wasn't gonna take
that bet.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
As much as I wanted to see that aint the
Hall of Famers just sitting back there.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
That's what I'm saying. I ain't gonna take that one.
Who else we got Eric in Riverside. You're on the
couple of sports radio. What's up? Eric?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
What's up? Eric? Kelvin? Hey Rob Man, you need to
stop it.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Stop man, stop stop.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Come on, Jordan loves the future. Man, he's hurt right now.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I didn't. I didn't say he did that. Did I
say he can't play? Did I say he's not, said
he was trash? Okay, yeah, yeah, man hurt.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Hey, he's sure. Hey man, you gotta wait, man, when
he gets totally healthy and come.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
On, man, you just want to So what so is
jameis Winston when he threw five thousand yards? Was he
hurt that year he threw the thirty interceptions or not? No,
he was not hurt. He played the whole year. So
it has not so you can't use you can't use that. Uh,
he's hurt. That's why he's throwing picks.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
That's that's lame because because uh, jameis Wiston through thirty
and played the entire year.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
It's a it's a thing. You could have the the
interception bug. That's all he has to get. He knows that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Anybody knows that, anybody you can't give the football to
the other team.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
That's all we're talking about here. And all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Is what, yeah, we got one more is that game
in Dallas when we first saw it, it was special.
And all I'm saying is the next three games against
the Cowboys in Dallas are just like what he did
against them. And that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
That team was supposed to be different though. That was
a playoff we got. We're trying to get to the
Super Bowl team.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Everybody out.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
DeMarcus Lawrence is out, Michael Parsons is out, secondary, everybody.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That wasn't out when they lost the other games. I
mean when they started the season and they got blown out.
They've got two weeks or so. Yeah, he played during that.
Everybody wasn't out when they.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Lost those This team ain't that team though, come on now,
But you can't make an excuse that they don't have anybody.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I mean that that team.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I'm saying that was a good win, is all I'm saying.
The Packers win against the Cowboys last that blowout was
a good win.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, But I'm saying the degree of it.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
They've had four straight blowouts at home is all I'm saying,
including the Lions game. Okay, So I'm just saying like,
at some point you got to look at it and say,
what is this last call? On this eight seven, seven
ninety nine on Fox Drew in New Jersey. You're on
the Odeen Drew Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
What's up.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
I don't think that this is necessarily a down thing
about Jordan Love. I think that it just shows how
much Dan Campbell has transformed the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And we're not talking about just that game. I mean,
I don't they went through. To be fair, he didn't
throw ten interceptions against the Lions.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, we're not talking about just that game. I want
to be fair. We're just talking about ten interceptions through
the first seven. He's got He's going to appreciate the call.
He's got a little interception that I do think he'll
work out.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I'm a big fan of him. I think he's gonna
work it out.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I said to my own dis make obviously, I think
he's gonna torch the Lions from time to time throughout
his tenure with the Packers. But he's got to tighten
it up. And the best part about it is anytime
I've ever heard him speak, he knows that.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
He acknowledges that he doesn't make excuses.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
He's not talking about All receivers aren't this, and the
offensive line ain't that. And to be fair, he is
extremely banged up trying to work through this these injuries
to get his team some wins.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
He'll he'll work on it. He'll be fine.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
There's a few players in life, in any sport that
where you're like, I ain't worried about him. Put Jordan
Love in I ain't worried about him category. I'm not
worried about Jordan Love. I think he'll be fine. We
got Rod Woodson, Hall of Famer, and of course Fox
Sports Radio NFL analysts going to join us in just
a bit.
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Speaker 3 (21:02):
What's up right?
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Ro I?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Thought we were joined by Rod Rod.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
You' there there we go.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
We got you. What's up mat you?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I'm doing good. I'm doing good man.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Good man, I know you are.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
After that Ravens game, the game from your boy, Yes,
Lamar like like we've seen this.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Every time I watch him, I know I'm watching something special.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
You do all the games. Rob, Well, what did you
see yesterday? That?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, I just I just see the growth, you know.
I remember talking to Todd Monkin last year, and uh,
he thought that Lamar Jackson had a lot of growth
in him. Uh, you know a lot of stuff that
when he first came into the league, playing and starting
and playing playing at a high level because he won
the twenty nineteen of MVP, right, but there was still
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a lot of growth there. So teaching him, letting him
callers on all and then when you bring in Derrick Henry.
I got a question for you guys. If Lamar Jackson
continues his pace and who plays where he's playing, and
Derrick Henry gets two thousand yards rushing, who's the league
MVP Jared.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Goff Lamar, And I'll tell you what.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
No, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
No, I want to hear. I want to hear Jared Goff.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
I'm not saying he will win because he's more deserving.
It is to your point, you're gonna have Dereck Henry
still in some votes from Lamar Man. You're right, he's
gonna have like twenty some touchdown two thousand yards. So
people are gonna say, let's reward the running back for once,
and then you're gonna have, of course, some people say
it's Lamar Jackson, and you're gonna have Jared Goff just
sitting there. If they Lions end up at you know,
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twelve and five or thirteen and four or something, you know,
with him thirty five hundred yards, a bunch of touchdowns
seventy five percent, Lamar is the MVP. I've said that
on record, but I'm just saying this is where.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Has eighty three yards three touchdowns in eighty three He's
not gonna win the MVP.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
But you get what I'm saying, where he might votes
for me.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I just there hasn't been a running back, and if
there was anybody, it was Derek Henry a couple of
years ago, and Rob g I think he didn't even
get one first place vote.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
A couple doing that, but the record has to be good.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I understand that, but I'm just saying, Rod, I think
that that ship sailed.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
That's it's a quarterbacks award.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I mean it normally is, but two thousand yards is
a rare ocasion. So remember back in the day when
thirty five touchdowns and thirty five hundred yards is like
the peak the goal of quarterback play. Right, Well, that's
average now. I mean everybody's throwing thirty two. Not everybody,
but the really good ones are throwing for thirty five, right,
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and throwing for over three thousand yards, and some of
them our clipse in the four thousand yard marker. So
that's an average. You see that, you know almost yearly.
The two thousand yards you do not see that year lead.
And it's easier for quarterbacks to throw the football receivers
that catch the football because of the rules. Yes, but
you can still pack the box.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I hear you.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
If this was a different NFL, I hear you. I
do just think you know what I do. My only
point Rob, Rob, Rob, and Rod is that I think
there's also a little bit of voter fatigue. I wonder
if people you know that happens in All Sports, Michael Jackson,
Michael Jordan should have had Michael Joey retired.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Michael, I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I just think when you watch him and and and
I and I don't take anything from Derrick Henry for
that guy won the MVP last year. And Rod, you
noticed you watched every game. He didn't have any eye
popping numbers, you know what I mean, Like he didn't,
but people valued at what he brings to the table.
And and all it takes is for a bad game
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by Jared Golf or a bad game by Derrek, you
know what I mean, or something, and then and then
they'll go back. That's what That's what I think. I
think that those guys can't have a bad game. Lamar
could have a bad game and then still be able
to bounce back.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
I just want to win because we just saw last
week compared to this week, and again when I watched
this week, I was like, oh my god, look at
this guy. He's the best player. That's not a question.
I think other teams have even admitted he is. But
let me ask you this, Rob Rob Woods are joining
the Cup of Rob Parker. Kevin Washington, the only question
I have about for weeks, Rob and I have both
said that, you know, for a long stretch at least,
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that the Ravens were the best team, despite at that
point they were you know, four and two, five and two,
so on and so forth. We were saying that. Now for me,
it's the Lions Ravens right there. And I have no
problem if you say the Ravens. Molly issue is they're five.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Six and three. Now, they lose weird games.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
They let the Cowboys in and they didn't lose, but
they met him back in. They lose to the Raiders,
they lose to Jamis Winston, who looks terrible this week.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Why do they do that? Where are they? What happens mentally?
What goes on?
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Well, I believe it's more, you know, reading the article
about what Martin Humphrey said today, the defensive back to
the cornerbacks for the Ravens is that the players that
are taking upon themselves to make plays and to go
out there and play well, it's not because of their offense.
They lost the three games. Now, the first game they
were kind of trying to still figure out what type
offense they're going to have, how they're going to use
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Derick Henry, so I kind of let that one go.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
And they almost won that game.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
They still had an opportunity to win the football game, right,
But the loss to the Raiders and then the loss
to the Browns and the way the defense played, that's
what's the only thing that concerns me about putting them
at the I think they're one of the best teams
in the league. I really do. Their defense concerns me
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and hopefully, hey, listen, maybe this Bronco game is a
jump start to where Zach Gore needs to be as
a defensive coordinator and what these guys do well. But
he played against the rookie quarterback and he didn't play
extremely well. They had some rush yards, but that wasn't
they didn't kill him, and they didn't They got sacked
(26:54):
four times. So my thing is with the Ravens, are
they one of the better team? I do believe so,
But I still think there are a lot of growth
that needs to happen on the defensive side, especially in
the past coverage with the linebackers in the secondary.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Couple of teams in the AFC, just want your thoughts
on the Steelers with Russell Wilson now as quarterback, and
the Texans seem to be struggling now the offensive line.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
C J.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Stroud doesn't have all of his ends and it's not
a pretty on both of those. What are you thinking
about the Steelers making the change in what is done
for for their offense.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Well, I always believe even when Russell first got there,
that Russell was going to play better in Pittsburgh than
he did in Denver, because Pittsburgh is like Seattle when
he was there, right, run first playact in past. Yeah,
that's what the defense, right yeah, and a defense, but
that's where he thrives. And then with the Denver and
has drop back, drop back, drop back, drop back, and
(27:52):
he's not a drop backers per se quarterback, so he
is playing way better there. Their defense is playing really
good football. I mean, they got those rushers, uh you
know on the edges that make it tough on any
quarterback in the National Football League. And that's the crazy
thing when you talk about you know, especially the ASC
nor because the Steelers are better than what we thought.
(28:14):
Nobody Steelers gonna be as good this year, right so,
and nobody thought the defense was gonna cause havoc like this,
and the offense was going to kind of look a
little more at that. Like that, they look like more
of a pro offense, right, scoring points, get moving the
vault on the field, you know, running the ball, play
pass off of that. So I think for those it's
(28:35):
gonna be fun to watch the Steelers and the Ravens
play each other this year because these two teams are
the best teams in the North. And it's gonna be
fun to watch these two guys because they still got
two more games against each other, right, one in Pittsburgh
and won in Baltimore, and it's gonna be fun to
watch how that growth. But Pittsburgh Mike Tomlins a really
good coach, you know what. Anybody, whatever you can say
(28:57):
about if you like him, don't like him, But I
can one thing. I've listened to him have a couple
of speeches to his team and if I was young, from.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
My man, yeah, you're almost going to get the Pats.
You almost ready.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Ready until I started walking, my knee start hurting.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
He just he just needs a playoff win.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
It's been a minute, right, you're right, hey, Rob, get
you out of here on this one real quick. For us,
I'm looking at the NFL right now, there's a bunch
of teams kind of were top heavy with a few
and then you got some really bad teams, but there's
a bunch in the middle. At what point then the
season do you start to feel like now you calling
the games and watching him and even as a player,
(29:37):
where you say we are what we are? What point
is it right about now? Is it a few more
weeks in windys like this is really who we are?
Speaker 4 (29:45):
The the really good teams, I'll answer the question this way,
they're really good teams. You you you lay a foundation
in the first two months of the year, and then
you solidify the foundation at the end of this day season,
and you play your best football the end of the season.
And those teams that normally play their best football at
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the end of the season where they end up postseason
and the best ones end up in the super Bowl,
So you know, to figure out what they're doing and
who they are. The one thing is I think that
it's the confident that you build up through the first
part of the year to the end of the year.
Because when the fall hits, the leaves turn and and
the leaves start falling and turning orange. That's when football starts,
(30:28):
the snow starts fall on the ground, football starts. Then
then the best teams normally show up at that time
of year.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
All right, he is Rod Woodson. We appreciate appreciate you much.
I appreciate it, man, yep, thank you, sard.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
He was being fired up by Mike Tom and amone's
put on the past. His knees star hurting. That's the lyrics,
you know what.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
That's what the NFL commissioner, Roger Goodell said about Rod Marinelli.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Too when he was with the loss. Yeah, that move
that was before they went on sixteen. I remember his
knees was hurting too. He came out and said, oh yeah,
he run and put on a helmet and go through
the wall.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
That was the year they want to disuspect Mike Tom.
I'm saying I heard that man ain't lost but under
five hundred, and you're gonna bring up one to sixteen. Oh,
I'm just saying because the commissioner said this, sad.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Yeah, Hey, I want to continue a conversation about Lamar Jackson,
who were both massive fans of. I want to throw
a comparison at you and tell me how you feel
about that. We'll do that next. Fox Sports Radio, it
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Now at its time for the Express Pros Pro the
Week and the Pro the Week goes to Ravens quarterback
Lamar Jackson. Wait a minute, not Jared Golf. No, this
is all Wait Rod VIEK. I want a new This
ain't it? I'm crumpling this.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
No, you didn't read let me, did you listen? That's
the problem. You don't listen, I said.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
The AFC Player of the Week NFC Pro of the
Week is Jared Goff.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
No, it's Lamar Jackson of course. Uh.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Two time MVP had a perfect passer rating of one
fifty eight point three for an NFL record fourth time,
and Sunday's blowout went over Denver. So again, Congratsamar Jackson
for being our express Pro the week. Who both of
us agree is gonna be the MVP. I think, Uh,
I think Derek Henry is gonna make a case for it. Quarterbacks.
It's pretty much it's ridiculous. That's actually unfair.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
All I'm saying is, like we have seen Derek Kenwie,
what was that a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Had that in the league, like six seventeen, craziest two
thousand and he didn't get one vote. Everybody thought, well,
here's the year that he's gonna get.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Why that's why.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
So back in the day, I mean, you kept a spread.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
It's become a throwing league and that has become that
has become a quarterback award.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
That's just I just don't like that. Like I mean,
like Derreck Henry has been incredible, twelve that's not long.
That's what I want to do.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
And sometimes it could be a defensive player, like if
it's t J. Watt. It's TJ. Watt, you know what
I mean, not anymore.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
That's what like if somebody is there is not With
that being said, I want to throw this at you
talking a round, Gene. I'm thinking, like, man, Lamar Jackson
is the best version of what we thought Michael Vick
would be. And I was the reason. I've been thinking
that for a while. But what kind of cemented it
for me was Michael Vicks. And he's talked about it,
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his lack of studying, his lack of reading the playbook,
his last lack of being first in, last out, last out,
as being the leader of a team with those falcons,
and then we saw him get convicted, go away for
a couple of years, finally get back in the league,
and remember he ended up being comeback Player of the Year.
He had an amazing year under Andy Reid. He was
I mean, he was MVP candidate. It was incredible to
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see and that was like apex Michael Vick.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
That's regular season Lamar Jackson, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
The apex of what we saw from Michael Vick is
like a normal year for Lamarck. Lamar Jackson, He's kind
of become what we had hoped Michael Vick would be.
And that's just an everyday kind of experience under Lamar Jackson.
He said recently this week he couldn't practice, he was injured,
and he comes out and he says, so, all I
did was just stay in the film room, stay in
the film room. So they were asking him like, what
(34:39):
did you see? Why did you have this perfect game?
And he just simply said, we were prepared. I was
studying those guys, and I pretty much saw everything I
knew from the you know, from the playbook, from the
film room, and so I just was thinking, like, man,
what could the Michael Vick experience have been had he
had this type of mindset as Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson
does not rest on his talents, you know what I mean,
a Heisman winner could have won twice. He doesn't wrest
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on God's gifts that fast. I'm just more talented than everybody.
He works hard, he puts in the work, and he's
gotten better. They can't he can't pass, he can't do this.
What has he done? He's gotten better as a passer,
so efficient, one of the most efficient passers in the league.
And I just really am proud of what he's become
and I but it also made me think, like, dang,
if Mike Vick took it as serious as Lamar doesn't.
Hopefully maybe he learned. I know they spend some time together.
(35:23):
Maybe he you know, Hey, man, don't be like me.
But I was just thinking, Man, Mike Vick could have
had an even better career had he had this same
type of drive and focus as Lamar Jackson, who I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
If I don't, I don't know if he's as talented though,
which she know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Vic vic as as talented as them? Are you all think?
Speaker 5 (35:41):
I think it's a more natural passer that Mike Vick
might throw the top three beautiful passes ever, flick his
wrists and go ninety yards.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
But but but one guy never won an MVP. One
guy's on the verge of winning three. Is what I'm
trying to see. What I'm saying is I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I don't. I think the talent is eerily similar.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I just think that guy you're talking about, Lamar puts
in the work, you know what I mean, As Vigle
tell you, he was in the Atlantic clubs. He was
looking for you at Magic City. He was the premier
with Lemon, with Pepper Order.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I'm not saying like he wasn't the tremendous player, but
I'm really not sure if you.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Watch that, man, yeah I did, but but what year
did he Was he close.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
To be in MVP? I don't actually, I literally don't
know if he was. I just know he was an
insane We all loved him.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
But it's a difference between somebody who maybe lucked into
one MVP but you're talking about you.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Know, yeah, But I'm just saying literally watching him play,
that's what made it maddening frustrating is the waste of
potential town that dude naturally was so gifted and that's why,
like he was just that good. I mean, watch him
in college was insane. At Virginia Tech. I mean it
was literally like, is he playing high schoolers and then
he gets to the pros and he's making him look crazy.
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And this is with him dipping out without even studying
the playbook. This is him dipping out without spending time
with the offensive coordinator and quarterback coach.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Peer talent. He might be better than Lamar peer talent, Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I would take Lamar I mean, I'm just saying, and
I love Michael Vick.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
I love the way here talent he might. I mean,
his arm was and it was a thing to behold.
It's just he just and that's why when he finally
got with and Andy Reid and played and studied and
practiced and put in that effort, that's why we got
what we got from him that year. And everybody makes
you go, dang, what could have been had he only
which is why I waste the talent?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
You know this as a as a professor, and it
did like teacher like man. When you get people who
don't maximize in their talent, give it all as frustrating.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I get that because he could have.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
But it's just interesting when you look at the two
now and just what Lamar.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I don't know. He just seems so scary, know he is.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
He's an animal lover all right, He's Joe l embiid
you got some words for him?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
All right, our number two on a Magic City Monday.
And you know what, because I had to pay Shay
all that money, there's gonna be some young women who
cannot go to college next semester.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm just telling you that. And that's just a shame.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Man.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Why can't you for tuition this month? I can't do it?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Well, my sugar daddy ain't sugaring right now the way
he used to sugar.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, because I'm already out money. I man, nothing I
can do, all right, I said it was a little more.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
It was just like a straight up to you need
a little more flicking and flicking the wrists in it.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
It was just kind of like you just threw a block,
give me the money shot. The only difference is that
with Shaye that wasn't That's true. Okay, I respect that
he didn't have on nothing and have on Let me
put on what you're putting on nothing, right, I mean
like I'm I'm supposed to distant money.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
This that's real.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Like, first of all, I'm just saying, first of all,
you're brave because Shae, if his name was like Shanik
or like you know, Chavante, he might have had a
pta D like swung on you.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
You know, thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Thankfully it was shamee because you know somebody else might
have just like you know, you do money on me,
hold up at what you're doing. So I'm glad it
was shaking. Shane took it into sports. Davonte. Shane knew
that Vonte no, I know, but Savante money got at you. Well.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I mean, if I'm gonna give you one hundred dollars,
you know I'm not gonna do it the easy way.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's all I'm gonna say. He's lucky. It wasn't the
hundred singles, weren't torn and alf no that I had
to jump you with him on that.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
One because I was at Magic City and I'm not
going to name the baseball player I was with, but
I do remember him leaving a tip for the waitress
and he did rip the bills in half as he
walked out.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Four.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It was just like for dramatic effect. It was cool.
Did he get kicked out? No? No, no, they are
you kidding? They grabbed it. Scotch tape girl, get the tape? Yes,
all right? All right?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Coming up in about twenty seven minutes, Rob Woods in
the Hall of FAMDB and Fox Sports Radio NFL analysts.
You know, he does the Ravens games on on radio
as a color analyst, and we'll talk to him about
the Ravens and other teams. Of course he's up to
date on everything. But let's talk about you. You brought
up the Lions earlier, but we didn't really talk about
(02:45):
the Packers, and the Packers lost, and I don't know,
I'm starting to look at Jordan Love a little differently, okay.
And I thought when he beat the Cowboys, at first
we thought that was his coming out party. My god,
he he was unbelievable. And then he had had like
(03:08):
five or six games in a row. Better right in
the end of last season, because in the middle of
the season was like, ah, where is he? And then
it was like, okay, this guy. It all came together
and then they trashed the Dallas Cowboys in Dallas. Fast
forward to this season and you realize the Cowboys aren't
any good and they've been trashed by three other teams.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Okay, everybody, So it's not.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
A Jordan Love coming out party, only where he was
able to do it against his team that had won
sixteen straight home games and had this great defense. No,
we now know the Cowboys aren't any good and their
defense is terrible. So now you look at the Packers
and Jordan Love and guess what. He's a turnover machine.
(03:55):
He had a couple more yesterday, right, Rob, do we
have the number, Rob g I mean he throws about
it feels like he throws two interceptions every game.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Well, here's the numbers that you should probably want to know.
This is not just this season kind of thing. Jordan Loves.
First nine games as a starter last year, fourteen touchdowns,
ten picks. People were saying maybe they should bench him,
maybe they made their all that stuff. Then he goes
on this heater, which is an all time great heater.
The next eight games, sixteen touchdowns, one pick, gets himself,
(04:30):
secures the bag, the largest contract that included.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The playoff game and hold that big playoff game in
Dallas and everybody was watching, so they were like, they
got they got their guy. Unbelievable Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers,
and now Jordan Love.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
And then you fast forward to this season and it
looks eerily similar to the start of last season through
seven game because two of them missed with injury. Fifteen touchdowns,
ten picks. So the sandwiches end of it, the bread
part don't look great. You're hoping he's so we're in
the middle like we saw towards the end of last season.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Well, this is where I come out and I said
this a couple of weeks ago. This is why I
think the Packers are in good hands though, because I
think they have the marriage of Brett farre and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Literally what you just said was split exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Brett Farhr will throw a bunch of touchdowns, five touchdowns
on Monday Night Football after his father passing looked great.
Then Brett Farr will lose you the game because he
gambled and through an interception. That's the story of Brett Farvr. However,
went to a couple of Super Bowls. One to one
was an MVP with a couple of times, and so overall,
heck of a career. Hall of Famer, especially just on
the field. We'll leave off the field for another day.
(05:38):
How about helping the poor? No, no, I thought we
gonna leave that another day. We strictly we're gonna keep it,
you know, in between the lines. Now I go to
Aaron Rodgers amazing career, Hall of Fame career, arguably for me,
one of the top three most talented quarterbacks I've ever seen.
I mean, he's just pure talent. Won a bunch of games,
won a bunch of awards. You want more in the postseason.
(05:59):
From that, you want more wins in the postseason. He
won more Super Bowls. Part of that, to me and others,
he was too conservative, he wouldn't make the mistake. He
was too calculated. And it works through the regular season.
But every now and again, you gotta thrown Eli Manning
pass where I'm gonna just close my eyes. I'm getting tackled,
and I hope David Tyree catches it. And I think
you have the perfect marriage between the two. When it
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comes to Jordan Love, He's gonna take some risks that
you're gonna scratch your head. He's gonna turn it over
every now and again. But also think those same things
will have him in a successful situation because he's gonna
take those risks. He's gonna be able to make passes
and plays that you're like, Man, I don't think anybody
else could have made that. And he's also talented like
an Aaron Rodgers and accurate like an Aaron Rodgers. So
I think they have their guy for another decade, and
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that'll be what forty years of quarterbacking for the Packers
where they've been solidified with three guys, So he's gonna
turn it over. He's very banged up by the way.
I mean you saw him like yesterday's but I don't
even know if he should have been out there.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He's so banged up.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
He's been injured last season a little bit this season
as well, So once he's healthy and at his best strength,
I think they still got a guy, and I'd be
one thousand percent happy to have him. In fact, there
might be off the top of my head, five six
guys I take over him.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Maybe if the entire NFL, I think they got one
of those ones and they'll be fine. As he continues
to get healthy and they continue to grow. This is
only but second and the one and a half year starting.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
No, but he's been in the league longer than that.
And and that's the thing, is like the difference. And
I'm not saying he's gonna be Aaron Rodgers where had
the best court touchdown the interception.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Race yet, but he's this is his fourth year and
and there should be more progress or growth, not to
just throw the football up for grabs or whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Like there's gotta be like and I'm not and I
agree that you see it. There's a lot to light.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, you've light. I'm not into the love that quickly.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That's a little for me. Yeah, we know.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
But the uh, it's just worrisome the interception. That many
interceptions because you already talked about what we've got.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
You got ten and fifteen to ten right now, but
that could be a if you keep on this, that's twenty. Yeah,
like we know Jameis wins.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Okay, we just talked about Jamis with that thirty, which
is ridiculous, But if he were to keep this pace up,
he would have twenty intercept That's not good enough.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
No, that's not, and I don't. I don't think then
that's what I said. That's a fair look, that's I
think he knows. I think he's going home like bro
I can't do that. But again, I just listen, man,
when you get one of those ones, man, you gotta
lock it in. I mean, Dallas has never been confident
that Dak is one of those ones. But they paid
him because they just like.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Vargued about Dak forever and I never bought into That's
what I'm saying most I never bought into him.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Those people didn't.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
They thought he's a fine court right like he playing
in the league ten, twelve, fifteen years, perfectly fine. He's
better than they get you to where they need him
more in Love is not one of those. I think
he's the opposite. I think Jordan Love will win. He
already has been. I think he'll continue to be able
to win you games. Uh, He's gonna win some big
games in Lambeau, big game for the Packers.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I think think they got a good one.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
And I hate it, you know, because he's gonna be
competing with Jared Goffer whoever the Lions quarterback is in
five years, you know, for the next decade, like they're
gonna have to deal with Jordan Love and that Packer team.
Just when you thought, man, the Lions can finally own
the division for a little while, here comes Jordan Love,
making them a legitimate team. I mean, if they win yesterday,
they're sitting at seven and two, top of the division,
and we're like here they go again, which they very
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well still could be throughout the rest of this season.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
So he's a turnover.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
He has turnovers, But I think he's the perfect hybrid
of Brett and Aaron Rodgers kind of what you want,
take a little risk. I need you to make some
gambleish plays, the peak Patrick Mahomes type plays where it's
like no, no, no, no, no, yes, yes, yes, yes yes,
but also be talented, be accurate like Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I think we see even we see with Patrick Mahomes
like he wasn't he wasn't doing that early on in
his career, and it's of late with the interceptions, and
they're gonna happen. I'm not saying you're not gonna have
You're not gonna have forty two touchdowns and four interceptions
like Aaron Rodgers would do. Like those are like crazy numbers.
Even Tom Brady had interceptions or nine or eight or whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
But ten early nine.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, you know what I mean, like like you got
you got a chance to have twenty this year, and
if going forward, you just.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Want them to make better decisions. That's all I think
he will.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I want to throw you as ten and seven games,
because remember he missed a comp he missed two games,
so that that's even a higher number. Jameis Winston somewhere
smiling like come on, come on, come on, you almost there,
Come on now when we play as a team thirty
on this thirty for thirty James Winston, The Good and
the Bad, starring Jameis Winston. Last point, I want to
make an interesting stat I've always seen and I was
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talking to Rogie earlier about it.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
One of the weird ones.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
And this is where I say when I talk about
the difference between like letting it fly and sometimes you
got to make some plays versus being ultra conservative and
kind of like it's not there. Maybe I shouldn't, you know,
what's weird? And I was fooled by this for years
with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is oh to forty two.
When he's down by one point to a above five
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hundred team in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I said that, right, rob G, because we were talking that.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I was telling Rodger is like, there's a couple of
stats I've seen about Aaron Rodgers and comebacks. I didn't
believe that because I thought, Aaron Rodg, you know, if
he comes back, come on as Aaron Rodgers so talented,
and I saw him do it ill. I feel like
I saw him doing that to the Lions for years.
Something about him. He can't come back in the fourth quarter.
It's crazy, the stats like he's it hot.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I don't even know he's doll all hail mary to
beat the to beat the Lions.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
No, that was a no, no, he was What was
that stat that one? I can't remember the exactly incident
a game, and I was mad because I can't believe
it was beautiful throw.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
But he can't come back when he's down one.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I don't know if he was tied in or I
don't remember the exact situation that game, but it's just
it is a real life stat.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I watched the playoff game against Aras he also threw
a hail mary to tie the game or whatever they
were down. Rob g when they look when they beat
San Francisco, he scored ten points in the fire and
the four. Do you remember the game against the forty
nine ers a couple of years ago they scored he had.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Is this regular season played with it was like they had,
but he has he had like twenty nine seconds Google it.
So this was so rob G when I this is
as of twenty twenty two? Was it? Yeah, twenty twenty one?
So it and then and so there's another one as well.
But it's just an odd thing. For as good as
he is and how talented he is, I assumed he's
a regular comeback. I like, osh if if Aaron Rodgers
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has a ball in his hand, it's a comeback, and
it's not the case.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
It's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
And I think a part of that is he just
overthinks he's too calculated. Sometimes you gotta let it go
and let the hey the chips fall where they may.
Sometimes you're gonna make the play, sometimes you're not. I'll
come back. I have the other stat to go with
that as well.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Here it is twenty eighteen. Watch Aaron Rodgers late heroics.
Green Bay goes past the forty nine ers. This doesn't
make sense to me. And the another one was at
forty nine ers. I remember remember the day we said
above five hundred teams. I don't remember twenty one. The
Packers beat the forty nine ers thirty to twenty eight
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on a on a game winning field goal, and he
drove the team down in the last.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I got this many.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
We got to make sure they are five hundred. That's
the stat against five hundred teams. We got to make
sure they're five hundred. We'll look at that again. That's
the key part. It was against FOP plus five hundred teams.
That has been the issue for Aaron Rodgers eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox having a conversation about Jordan Love.
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nine on Fox having a conversation about Jordan Love.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Do you love Jordan Love? Is he the guy for
the Packers? Do you want more of you? Little? Maybe
the jury still out for you who we got?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, I think it's more just about him and the interceptions.
You know, ten and seven games? Does that worry you
that that's really I think he's a He's gonna have
a fine career. It's just about get that tighten up. Yes,
for sure, he knows it. He's got tighten up. Dion
in Texas, You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
What's going to be on?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Well, what's going on? Fellas Rob Man? I think You've
become a statissisian.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Man.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I'm not sure if he's watching the game, man, I mean,
come on, man, kay w you are exactly right.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
This dude, he has it.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
He has not played. You do not gain playing experience
sitting the bench for three years. How's he supposed to
get better sit in the bench for three years.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I don't know, because Aaron Rodgers set the bench for
three years. He was year No yet, just he didn't throw.
He never threw ten interceptions in seven games. No, I'm
just saying he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
He didn't. He sat for three years behind Brett Fares.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Okay, compare their stats for the first seventeen eighteen starts
for Jordan Love and the stats for Aaron Rodgers his
first eighteenth I know, very comparable.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, but I don't think he had as many interceptions.
I mean, you're talking about this year. I'm talking about
this year. The seven interceptions in ten games, that's all.
It just seems like every game there's two picks, that's all.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Okay, He's gonna get better, just only like his nineteenth
or twentieth NFL start.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And again, you comparing him to Aaron Rodgers, I'm not
getting I'm just.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Talking about number years.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I'm just talking about interceptions he has. He's in on
pace to have twenty some odd and that's you all.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Though, all the way.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Just for clarification, Aaron Rodgers first year started twenty eight touchdowns,
thirteen picks. Okay, so he's never been a high enough.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
That's what I'm saying. And that's all. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
So you can't look at that thirteen that's a little
up there, but not ten in the first seven games.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
He ain't gonna get to twenty though, twenty plus Jordan. Look, yeah, okay,
well you put a hunting on it. Yeah, okay, well.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
You don't want to do it. You ain't gonna be
you know, I'm the city and be hustled every day.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
No, I'm saying that, you know, because I would have
put three thousand that Justin Fields wouldn't be the quarterback
once up right, Wilson should have.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Said it with your chest a right, rob G.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
You should have said I wouldn't take that bet, said
it every day.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
We're gonna tell you right now, I wasn't gonna take
that bet.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
As much as I wanted to see that aint the
Hall of Famers just sitting back there.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
That's what I'm saying. I ain't gonna take that one.
Who else we got Eric in Riverside. You're on the
couple of sports radio. What's up? Eric?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
What's up? Eric? Kelvin? Hey Rob Man, you need to
stop it.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Stop man, stop stop.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Come on, Jordan loves the future. Man, he's hurt right now.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I didn't. I didn't say he did that. Did I
say he can't play? Did I say he's not, said
he was trash? Okay, yeah, yeah, man hurt.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Hey, he's sure. Hey man, you gotta wait, man, when
he gets totally healthy and come.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
On, man, you just want to So what so is
jameis Winston when he threw five thousand yards? Was he
hurt that year he threw the thirty interceptions or not? No,
he was not hurt. He played the whole year. So
it has not so you can't use you can't use that. Uh,
he's hurt. That's why he's throwing picks.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
That's that's lame because because uh, jameis Wiston through thirty
and played the entire year.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
It's a it's a thing. You could have the the
interception bug. That's all he has to get. He knows that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Anybody knows that, anybody you can't give the football to
the other team.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
That's all we're talking about here. And all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Is what, yeah, we got one more is that game
in Dallas when we first saw it, it was special.
And all I'm saying is the next three games against
the Cowboys in Dallas are just like what he did
against them. And that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
That team was supposed to be different though. That was
a playoff we got. We're trying to get to the
Super Bowl team.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Everybody out.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
DeMarcus Lawrence is out, Michael Parsons is out, secondary, everybody.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That wasn't out when they lost the other games. I
mean when they started the season and they got blown out.
They've got two weeks or so. Yeah, he played during that.
Everybody wasn't out when they.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Lost those This team ain't that team though, come on now,
But you can't make an excuse that they don't have anybody.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I mean that that team.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I'm saying that was a good win, is all I'm saying.
The Packers win against the Cowboys last that blowout was
a good win.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, But I'm saying the degree of it.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
They've had four straight blowouts at home is all I'm saying,
including the Lions game. Okay, So I'm just saying like,
at some point you got to look at it and say,
what is this last call? On this eight seven, seven
ninety nine on Fox Drew in New Jersey. You're on
the Odeen Drew Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
What's up.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
I don't think that this is necessarily a down thing
about Jordan Love. I think that it just shows how
much Dan Campbell has transformed the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And we're not talking about just that game. I mean,
I don't they went through. To be fair, he didn't
throw ten interceptions against the Lions.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, we're not talking about just that game. I want
to be fair. We're just talking about ten interceptions through
the first seven. He's got He's going to appreciate the call.
He's got a little interception that I do think he'll
work out.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I'm a big fan of him. I think he's gonna
work it out.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I said to my own dis make obviously, I think
he's gonna torch the Lions from time to time throughout
his tenure with the Packers. But he's got to tighten
it up. And the best part about it is anytime
I've ever heard him speak, he knows that.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
He acknowledges that he doesn't make excuses.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
He's not talking about All receivers aren't this, and the
offensive line ain't that. And to be fair, he is
extremely banged up trying to work through this these injuries
to get his team some wins.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
He'll he'll work on it. He'll be fine.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
There's a few players in life, in any sport that
where you're like, I ain't worried about him. Put Jordan
Love in I ain't worried about him category. I'm not
worried about Jordan Love. I think he'll be fine. We
got Rod Woodson, Hall of Famer, and of course Fox
Sports Radio NFL analysts going to join us in just
a bit.
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Speaker 5 (20:54):
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Speaker 3 (21:02):
What's up right?
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Ro I?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Thought we were joined by Rod Rod.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
You' there there we go.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
We got you. What's up mat you?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I'm doing good. I'm doing good man.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Good man, I know you are.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
After that Ravens game, the game from your boy, Yes,
Lamar like like we've seen this.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Every time I watch him, I know I'm watching something special.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
You do all the games. Rob, Well, what did you
see yesterday? That?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, I just I just see the growth, you know.
I remember talking to Todd Monkin last year, and uh,
he thought that Lamar Jackson had a lot of growth
in him. Uh, you know a lot of stuff that
when he first came into the league, playing and starting
and playing playing at a high level because he won
the twenty nineteen of MVP, right, but there was still
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a lot of growth there. So teaching him, letting him
callers on all and then when you bring in Derrick Henry.
I got a question for you guys. If Lamar Jackson
continues his pace and who plays where he's playing, and
Derrick Henry gets two thousand yards rushing, who's the league
MVP Jared.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Goff Lamar, And I'll tell you what.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
No, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
No, I want to hear. I want to hear Jared Goff.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
I'm not saying he will win because he's more deserving.
It is to your point, you're gonna have Dereck Henry
still in some votes from Lamar Man. You're right, he's
gonna have like twenty some touchdown two thousand yards. So
people are gonna say, let's reward the running back for once,
and then you're gonna have, of course, some people say
it's Lamar Jackson, and you're gonna have Jared Goff just
sitting there. If they Lions end up at you know,
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twelve and five or thirteen and four or something, you know,
with him thirty five hundred yards, a bunch of touchdowns
seventy five percent, Lamar is the MVP. I've said that
on record, but I'm just saying this is where.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Has eighty three yards three touchdowns in eighty three He's
not gonna win the MVP.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
But you get what I'm saying, where he might votes
for me.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I just there hasn't been a running back, and if
there was anybody, it was Derek Henry a couple of
years ago, and Rob g I think he didn't even
get one first place vote.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
A couple doing that, but the record has to be good.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I understand that, but I'm just saying, Rod, I think
that that ship sailed.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
That's it's a quarterbacks award.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I mean it normally is, but two thousand yards is
a rare ocasion. So remember back in the day when
thirty five touchdowns and thirty five hundred yards is like
the peak the goal of quarterback play. Right, Well, that's
average now. I mean everybody's throwing thirty two. Not everybody,
but the really good ones are throwing for thirty five, right,
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and throwing for over three thousand yards, and some of
them our clipse in the four thousand yard marker. So
that's an average. You see that, you know almost yearly.
The two thousand yards you do not see that year lead.
And it's easier for quarterbacks to throw the football receivers
that catch the football because of the rules. Yes, but
you can still pack the box.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I hear you.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
If this was a different NFL, I hear you. I
do just think you know what I do. My only
point Rob, Rob, Rob, and Rod is that I think
there's also a little bit of voter fatigue. I wonder
if people you know that happens in All Sports, Michael Jackson,
Michael Jordan should have had Michael Joey retired.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Michael, I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I just think when you watch him and and and
I and I don't take anything from Derrick Henry for
that guy won the MVP last year. And Rod, you
noticed you watched every game. He didn't have any eye
popping numbers, you know what I mean, Like he didn't,
but people valued at what he brings to the table.
And and all it takes is for a bad game
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by Jared Golf or a bad game by Derrek, you
know what I mean, or something, and then and then
they'll go back. That's what That's what I think. I
think that those guys can't have a bad game. Lamar
could have a bad game and then still be able
to bounce back.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
I just want to win because we just saw last
week compared to this week, and again when I watched
this week, I was like, oh my god, look at
this guy. He's the best player. That's not a question.
I think other teams have even admitted he is. But
let me ask you this, Rob Rob Woods are joining
the Cup of Rob Parker. Kevin Washington, the only question
I have about for weeks, Rob and I have both
said that, you know, for a long stretch at least,
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that the Ravens were the best team, despite at that
point they were you know, four and two, five and two,
so on and so forth. We were saying that. Now for me,
it's the Lions Ravens right there. And I have no
problem if you say the Ravens. Molly issue is they're five.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Six and three. Now, they lose weird games.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
They let the Cowboys in and they didn't lose, but
they met him back in. They lose to the Raiders,
they lose to Jamis Winston, who looks terrible this week.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Why do they do that? Where are they? What happens mentally?
What goes on?
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Well, I believe it's more, you know, reading the article
about what Martin Humphrey said today, the defensive back to
the cornerbacks for the Ravens is that the players that
are taking upon themselves to make plays and to go
out there and play well, it's not because of their offense.
They lost the three games. Now, the first game they
were kind of trying to still figure out what type
offense they're going to have, how they're going to use
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Derick Henry, so I kind of let that one go.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
And they almost won that game.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
They still had an opportunity to win the football game, right,
But the loss to the Raiders and then the loss
to the Browns and the way the defense played, that's
what's the only thing that concerns me about putting them
at the I think they're one of the best teams
in the league. I really do. Their defense concerns me
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and hopefully, hey, listen, maybe this Bronco game is a
jump start to where Zach Gore needs to be as
a defensive coordinator and what these guys do well. But
he played against the rookie quarterback and he didn't play
extremely well. They had some rush yards, but that wasn't
they didn't kill him, and they didn't They got sacked
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four times. So my thing is with the Ravens, are
they one of the better team? I do believe so,
But I still think there are a lot of growth
that needs to happen on the defensive side, especially in
the past coverage with the linebackers in the secondary.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Couple of teams in the AFC, just want your thoughts
on the Steelers with Russell Wilson now as quarterback, and
the Texans seem to be struggling now the offensive line.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
C J.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Stroud doesn't have all of his ends and it's not
a pretty on both of those. What are you thinking
about the Steelers making the change in what is done
for for their offense.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Well, I always believe even when Russell first got there,
that Russell was going to play better in Pittsburgh than
he did in Denver, because Pittsburgh is like Seattle when
he was there, right, run first playact in past. Yeah,
that's what the defense, right yeah, and a defense, but
that's where he thrives. And then with the Denver and
has drop back, drop back, drop back, drop back, and
(27:52):
he's not a drop backers per se quarterback, so he
is playing way better there. Their defense is playing really
good football. I mean, they got those rushers, uh you
know on the edges that make it tough on any
quarterback in the National Football League. And that's the crazy
thing when you talk about you know, especially the ASC
nor because the Steelers are better than what we thought.
(28:14):
Nobody Steelers gonna be as good this year, right so,
and nobody thought the defense was gonna cause havoc like this,
and the offense was going to kind of look a
little more at that. Like that, they look like more
of a pro offense, right, scoring points, get moving the
vault on the field, you know, running the ball, play
pass off of that. So I think for those it's
(28:35):
gonna be fun to watch the Steelers and the Ravens
play each other this year because these two teams are
the best teams in the North. And it's gonna be
fun to watch these two guys because they still got
two more games against each other, right, one in Pittsburgh
and won in Baltimore, and it's gonna be fun to
watch how that growth. But Pittsburgh Mike Tomlins a really
good coach, you know what. Anybody, whatever you can say
(28:57):
about if you like him, don't like him, But I
can one thing. I've listened to him have a couple
of speeches to his team and if I was young, from.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
My man, yeah, you're almost going to get the Pats.
You almost ready.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Ready until I started walking, my knee start hurting.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
He just he just needs a playoff win.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
It's been a minute, right, you're right, hey, Rob, get
you out of here on this one real quick. For us,
I'm looking at the NFL right now, there's a bunch
of teams kind of were top heavy with a few
and then you got some really bad teams, but there's
a bunch in the middle. At what point then the
season do you start to feel like now you calling
the games and watching him and even as a player,
(29:37):
where you say we are what we are? What point
is it right about now? Is it a few more
weeks in windys like this is really who we are?
Speaker 4 (29:45):
The the really good teams, I'll answer the question this way,
they're really good teams. You you you lay a foundation
in the first two months of the year, and then
you solidify the foundation at the end of this day season,
and you play your best football the end of the season.
And those teams that normally play their best football at
(30:05):
the end of the season where they end up postseason
and the best ones end up in the super Bowl,
So you know, to figure out what they're doing and
who they are. The one thing is I think that
it's the confident that you build up through the first
part of the year to the end of the year.
Because when the fall hits, the leaves turn and and
the leaves start falling and turning orange. That's when football starts,
(30:28):
the snow starts fall on the ground, football starts. Then
then the best teams normally show up at that time
of year.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
All right, he is Rod Woodson. We appreciate appreciate you much.
I appreciate it, man, yep, thank you, sard.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
He was being fired up by Mike Tom and amone's
put on the past. His knees star hurting. That's the lyrics,
you know what.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
That's what the NFL commissioner, Roger Goodell said about Rod Marinelli.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Too when he was with the loss. Yeah, that move
that was before they went on sixteen. I remember his
knees was hurting too. He came out and said, oh yeah,
he run and put on a helmet and go through
the wall.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
That was the year they want to disuspect Mike Tom.
I'm saying I heard that man ain't lost but under
five hundred, and you're gonna bring up one to sixteen. Oh,
I'm just saying because the commissioner said this, sad.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Yeah, Hey, I want to continue a conversation about Lamar Jackson,
who were both massive fans of. I want to throw
a comparison at you and tell me how you feel
about that. We'll do that next. Fox Sports Radio, it
is the Couple, Rock Parker Kevin Washington.
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Speaker 5 (31:38):
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location hears you. That is expresspros dot Com and folks
Now at its time for the Express Pros Pro the
Week and the Pro the Week goes to Ravens quarterback
Lamar Jackson. Wait a minute, not Jared Golf. No, this
is all Wait Rod VIEK. I want a new This
ain't it? I'm crumpling this.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
No, you didn't read let me, did you listen? That's
the problem. You don't listen, I said.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
The AFC Player of the Week NFC Pro of the
Week is Jared Goff.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
No, it's Lamar Jackson of course. Uh.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Two time MVP had a perfect passer rating of one
fifty eight point three for an NFL record fourth time,
and Sunday's blowout went over Denver. So again, Congratsamar Jackson
for being our express Pro the week. Who both of
us agree is gonna be the MVP. I think, Uh,
I think Derek Henry is gonna make a case for it. Quarterbacks.
It's pretty much it's ridiculous. That's actually unfair.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
All I'm saying is, like we have seen Derek Kenwie,
what was that a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Had that in the league, like six seventeen, craziest two
thousand and he didn't get one vote. Everybody thought, well,
here's the year that he's gonna get.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Why that's why.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
So back in the day, I mean, you kept a spread.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
It's become a throwing league and that has become that
has become a quarterback award.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
That's just I just don't like that. Like I mean,
like Derreck Henry has been incredible, twelve that's not long.
That's what I want to do.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
And sometimes it could be a defensive player, like if
it's t J. Watt. It's TJ. Watt, you know what
I mean, not anymore.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
That's what like if somebody is there is not With
that being said, I want to throw this at you
talking a round, Gene. I'm thinking, like, man, Lamar Jackson
is the best version of what we thought Michael Vick
would be. And I was the reason. I've been thinking
that for a while. But what kind of cemented it
for me was Michael Vicks. And he's talked about it,
(33:52):
his lack of studying, his lack of reading the playbook,
his last lack of being first in, last out, last out,
as being the leader of a team with those falcons,
and then we saw him get convicted, go away for
a couple of years, finally get back in the league,
and remember he ended up being comeback Player of the Year.
He had an amazing year under Andy Reid. He was
I mean, he was MVP candidate. It was incredible to
(34:12):
see and that was like apex Michael Vick.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
That's regular season Lamar Jackson, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
The apex of what we saw from Michael Vick is
like a normal year for Lamarck. Lamar Jackson, He's kind
of become what we had hoped Michael Vick would be.
And that's just an everyday kind of experience under Lamar Jackson.
He said recently this week he couldn't practice, he was injured,
and he comes out and he says, so, all I
did was just stay in the film room, stay in
the film room. So they were asking him like, what
(34:39):
did you see? Why did you have this perfect game?
And he just simply said, we were prepared. I was
studying those guys, and I pretty much saw everything I
knew from the you know, from the playbook, from the
film room, and so I just was thinking, like, man,
what could the Michael Vick experience have been had he
had this type of mindset as Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson
does not rest on his talents, you know what I mean,
a Heisman winner could have won twice. He doesn't wrest
(35:01):
on God's gifts that fast. I'm just more talented than everybody.
He works hard, he puts in the work, and he's
gotten better. They can't he can't pass, he can't do this.
What has he done? He's gotten better as a passer,
so efficient, one of the most efficient passers in the league.
And I just really am proud of what he's become
and I but it also made me think, like, dang,
if Mike Vick took it as serious as Lamar doesn't.
Hopefully maybe he learned. I know they spend some time together.
(35:23):
Maybe he you know, Hey, man, don't be like me.
But I was just thinking, Man, Mike Vick could have
had an even better career had he had this same
type of drive and focus as Lamar Jackson, who I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
If I don't, I don't know if he's as talented though,
which she know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Vic vic as as talented as them? Are you all think?
Speaker 5 (35:41):
I think it's a more natural passer that Mike Vick
might throw the top three beautiful passes ever, flick his
wrists and go ninety yards.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
But but but one guy never won an MVP. One
guy's on the verge of winning three. Is what I'm
trying to see. What I'm saying is I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I don't. I think the talent is eerily similar.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I just think that guy you're talking about, Lamar puts
in the work, you know what I mean, As Vigle
tell you, he was in the Atlantic clubs. He was
looking for you at Magic City. He was the premier
with Lemon, with Pepper Order.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I'm not saying like he wasn't the tremendous player, but
I'm really not sure if you.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Watch that, man, yeah I did, but but what year
did he Was he close.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
To be in MVP? I don't actually, I literally don't
know if he was. I just know he was an
insane We all loved him.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
But it's a difference between somebody who maybe lucked into
one MVP but you're talking about you.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Know, yeah, But I'm just saying literally watching him play,
that's what made it maddening frustrating is the waste of
potential town that dude naturally was so gifted and that's why,
like he was just that good. I mean, watch him
in college was insane. At Virginia Tech. I mean it
was literally like, is he playing high schoolers and then
he gets to the pros and he's making him look crazy.
(36:56):
And this is with him dipping out without even studying
the playbook. This is him dipping out without spending time
with the offensive coordinator and quarterback coach.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Peer talent. He might be better than Lamar peer talent, Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I would take Lamar I mean, I'm just saying, and
I love Michael Vick.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
I love the way here talent he might. I mean,
his arm was and it was a thing to behold.
It's just he just and that's why when he finally
got with and Andy Reid and played and studied and
practiced and put in that effort, that's why we got
what we got from him that year. And everybody makes
you go, dang, what could have been had he only
which is why I waste the talent?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
You know this as a as a professor, and it
did like teacher like man. When you get people who
don't maximize in their talent, give it all as frustrating.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I get that because he could have.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
But it's just interesting when you look at the two
now and just what Lamar.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I don't know. He just seems so scary, know he is.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
He's an animal lover all right, He's Joe l embiid
you got some words for him?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
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