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November 12, 2024 36 mins

Rob and Kelvin debate whether the NBA Cup should be viewed as a good idea for The Association and explain why the Miami Dolphins are a dark horse playoff team coming out of the AFC East. Plus, former NFL tight end and NFL analyst Clay Harbor swings by to discuss Caleb Williams’ uneven rookie season thus far, why the Chicago Bears’ season went sideways so quickly, the reports that Daniel Jones is on his way out of New York and much more! Finally, the Odd Couple Callers bring the heat in this week’s edition of Trash Talk.

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Our number two of the Odd Couple on the Trash
Talking Tuesday. Don't forget coming up in about forty minutes
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(01:15):
former NFL tight End and NFL analysts will drop Bible
do some NFL stuff for them. We talked about the
trash talking. So there's a lot to do in our
number two, do not go anywhere. And if you're watching
NBA basketball, we got the TV's on in the studio
and you can see all the games and the floors
for this up. NBA Cup is what they're calling it, right,

(01:38):
the NBA Cup, Yes, rob g, the NBA Cup? Is
this bogus? Is this the same thing as what the
what do they call it?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Last year?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
The in season twenty season tournament? Season tournament? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Right, and let me tell you something.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Oh what's you about to tell us? Rop?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
This is the biggest fraud going Okay, please, people do
not buy into this. They need to ask people players,
give them incentives to play.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
They're making millions of dollars.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Can you please play in November and make like it matters.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Let me tell you how much this doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I got Darvin ham online one and he won the
first ever in season tournament and they hung a damn
banner at the arena downtown in La.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
What do they call it now?

Speaker 3 (02:32):
The uh?

Speaker 5 (02:33):
I think we're sitting at crypto crypto all right, and
guess what that got him?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
That in two seventy five got him on the New
York City subway.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
You ain't been in a minute.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
I mean really, like, what is the floors are different?
It's a regular season games tournament. This is the worst
thing at This is your legacy, Adam Silver. Okay, it
got to be worse than this.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
This is awful.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
You know how you want to make the games more
important and make people want to watch them this time
of the year, don't put half in freaking more than
half of the league in the playoffs. Make them actually
have to earn it. Make the games matter. When you
put sixteen of the thirty teams in, you've already told
us that the regular season means nothing.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Come on, man, stop it.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Stop dressing up a pig and telling us that it's cute,
cause it ain't cute. It's another regular season game with
an ugly basketball floor that they put on for this
to try to sell us as something that I should
care about. It didn't save Darvin Ham. Take that damn
banner down.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Burn it.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Do whatever you have to do, cause it doesn't mean Jack.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
First off, I'm concern about you.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
I mean, you had about another ten seconds you go
pass out. Okay, I've seen your face getting flush your
man out the forehead. Hey, Alex, you was about to
have to perform CPR. My man, he was getting turned
into Rob Fox, Red Fox's nephew out there.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
And I don't line up.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I don't buy mouth to mouth from Alex, just no tongue.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Okay, all right, Well he was about to have to
give you mouth mouth teacher, the mouth, baby oil or
whatever was needed to make sure you live. All right, now,
let me get into this first of all, Bob Humbug
tends the season for you to turn into Scrooge MC
fun anything fun you want to Bo Humbug. Nobody is
acting like this is replacing the NBA finals. Nobody's replacing

(04:34):
the NBA playoffs. This is simply something fun for the
NBA to do to get fans engaged, get players engaged.
Early season, where most of our attention is in what football.
This starts to get knee deep into when football matters
and everybody's involved, and they're just saying, hey, let's sprinkle
a little something out there. They get guys in the engaged,
get the fans watching.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
And play in.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Last season ended up being fun, something Rob I want
you to embrace.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Just fun.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
Nobody was saying it was life changing. Nobody banner up.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
That's not fun, and they're trying to tell you like
it something special. You didn't say Dormingham he won the
see the tournament?

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Why not because it's important fun? Soccer does this football whatever?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
You don't need soccer.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
I don't care what soccer docar. But this is something
they're embracing. So the NFL had Sunday on lock for years.
Then they said let's go to Monday. Then they say
let's go to Thursday. Then they got even Friday night
postseason against Like every league tries different things, they try
new rules, they try.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
A new games.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
They don't have a season tournament to say that if
you win a game on this Sunday, we're gonna give
you a banner and a trophy.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Come on, man, the banner.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Don't be so naive and you you just like hook
line and sinker. Whatever they throw to you, you embrace.
Now tell me something you haven't embraced in the NBA,
because all they do is it's the National Gimmicks League.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's always a gimmick.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Stop messing with Stop messing with the fabric of the game,
of the tradition, stopping Why do we need to make
people play hard and offer them an incentive during the
regular season. We just started the season. What tournament? The
season just started six or four weeks ago.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
My everybody, look, look at look So things can become things, right,
Summer League became a cool thing. Everybody goes hang out
in Vegas because the Summer League has become the hotspot
to be.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
During the summer, and people go out there.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
They make their little time around it all some new
players will go and watch. Nobody's saying this is the
end all be all, and I don't necessarily need it.
If it went away, I wouldn't think twice. But it's
something they're trying to do, trying to have to add
a little fun, add a little spark, and to be
honest with you, did't mess around at work last year.
People were into it obviously you got a marquee franchise
and the Lakers being in it and ended up being fun.

(06:52):
You had a great competitive game. Folks were excited about it,
and then they moved on and got back to the
regular season.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
So this is something work.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Most people say, man, don't even start to Christmas, so
they're trying to say, how can we get something to
happen before that how can we get people in gaged
before that?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
And this was their idea.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
Keep trying to sell you a whole new cot when
it's the same coat with a different can. It happens.
People try to market, people try to find a new
way to sell their product. And this is the NBA
doing nothing, doing the same.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
You don't have to do that.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
You just how about you make it harder to make
the playoffs. Okay, so if you make it harder, then
you gotta play hard in November and December in games
that matter. That's what you don't get is that everybody
you're already now with the playing tournament right at the
end the play in Now, twenty of the thirty teams

(07:43):
get to make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
They have some sort of playoffs.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
So you're playing a whole season to eliminate ten teams.
You might as well just let everybody in and have
a single game elimination.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
If that's all you're trying to do.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
The incentive should be to play hard that if you
lose a game that matters in November, it might hurt
you from getting in the playoffs. That's how you make
the games important. That's how you make people care and
not take a night off and say I don't want
to play in mid November the Pistons on a game
in Detroit because it doesn't matter down the road. That's

(08:18):
all I'm saying is there's a way to make all
the games count and make them important.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
I don't think I get what you're saying, but I
don't think it's all about the games are important for
the players. I think it's also something again to get
more engagement and you know, get people.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
You tell me, if they already have six teams on
each conference, that makes makes the playoffs, right, they're not
going back round.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
But that's what I'm trying to say. What I'm saying,
But they're going forward from four to twelve.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
No, but they got twenty teams now that participate, is
what I'm saying. So the more teams you put in
the postseason, you know, you water down.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
But not that you're wrong.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
They're not going back round, I know, but you keep
watering down the product, is what I'm That's why people
don't engaged. That's why people we don't tune in until
after the football season is over, because you've made it
to the games early in the season don't matter.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
And what the issue with that is.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
I would argue the issue with that has come from
when you had low management, when the issue was only
thing I cares about. I care about is trying to
win the championship. So therefore I'm gonna load manage player
X and Y, because ultimately all that matters is getting
into the playoffs, getting into the finals.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
So therefore, sit out tonight.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
Sit off that you got a little ache in your ankle,
sit out because all that matters is winning the championship,
not just going out there competing for eighty two games.
The load management is more responsible and the idea of
the only thing that matters is final.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
So I gotta keep everybody safe, keep everybody hard. I
don't want to get anybody hurt.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
That matters mess up the league more than anything in
the last few years because everybody starts sitting out Guys.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I'm concerned about that.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
I know that that's an issue, and I'm not gonna
discount it or say that that's not an issue. But
it still comes down to with the play in and
twenty teams now available or possible can make the season
if they just went by the old eight teams making
it the last couple of years the Lakers weren't even
made it.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
They were in the playing tournament, they wouldn't even have
made it.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
I mean, like, it's ridiculous that ten teams in each conference,
twenty out of thirty are into some sort of playoffs.
Like you're what you're doing is you're making the games
now not mean anything because you can always still get
in by the play in is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
Listen, the peerst to me is actually I, you know,
whatever it was three, four or five years ago, whenever
the playing started. The peerst of me didn't need that
because also I don't like that if you're a seven seed,
always like I gotta fight for my you know, I
made I'm top seven, let alone top eight, and I
gotta fight for my spot.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
So I wasn't a fan of it.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
But one of the things I think has happened is
this is messed around and work. People have some mess
around the man engage. You've had some compelling storylines in
these playings towards the end of the season, and it
almost works that you have teams still playing with seven, eight, nine, ten,
eleven seits.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
They don't deserve to make the playoffs. They don't deserve
it though.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Now they got a shot.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
They haven't played all year.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I'm telling you the nd season tournament, the NBA what
do they call it? The NBA what what are they
calling it now? The NBA, the NBA Cup Cup, the
NBA Cup. I'm telling you it's it's fishy. If I
put my finger on it, I'd have to wash it.
That's how bad it is. I'm just not into the games.

(11:28):
I'm not into this. Do you don't have to dress
this up? Make people have to earn their way. Make
the games in November and December matter because the fewer
team you have getting the playoffs, you can't take a
night off. You see what I'm saying as a player, No,
you can't. You can't rest people pass out.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
The two ain't no going back. They're not gonna go
back from eight.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
Maybe they'll get rid of the playing one day, but
they're never gonna go backwards.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
So the idea is, now, how do we get people engaged?
And it worked.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
People were in gauge in the play and the engagement
literally social media wise and from viewership was absolutely crazy.
So people were involved in people, I mean engaged people enjoyed.
It ended up being fun. I don't think it was
a life legacy. Nobody's saying put this on my resume.
This was and and but that was something they had

(12:19):
a better But I'm talking about like play like no
one is saying I'm this, I'm this, I'm this, and oh,
I'm the you know in Cup winner.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yes it is Lebron that he he has the in
season tournament batter.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
That's that's the very last thing on his resume. It's
it's finals in.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
M VPS, All Star All nbah blah blah, blahlah blah.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Now the bonus.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Didn't get a bonus for winning the championship and ain't
mad about getting money.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
They gonna get the bonus.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
It's embarrassing, totally embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Behind It's okay for you to like something new. I
promise you it won't hurt you. Pretend it's the new
Gucci drop of a hoodie. You love that, you can
love it in season tournament. It ended up being fun
or the I'm sorry, the NBA Cup the uh you know.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, But Gucci is original and old school, so it works.
These guys are millionaires Gucci who don't want to who.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Don't want to play during the season making you.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
Then, I don't want to see you in any Gucci
drip that is current and they trying to be for rappers. Okay,
next time you come in with some of that new
rapper Gucci drip, I'm a roast talking about the old Gucci.
This is crazy. I don't want to What are you
young poo sisty? What are you young thug? I'm going
off for you the next time you wear it, I am.

(13:39):
I only want you in nineteen seventies Gucci.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
No, I've been I've been wearing Gucci my whole life.
I think I keep wearing old gut. There we go,
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with me and not with Kelly.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
They enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I know you're not because this is terrible. Oh what
am I saying? I forgot his trash talking Tuesday? Uh well,
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percent off and free shipping. Rob, we were talking about
this game yesterday and you actually picked on your shekel
city the Dolphins to upset and to beat the Rams.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Remember I said they had something over the Rams.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
They're beating them like nine out of the last ten
or ten out of the last eleven or something like that.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, nine out of ten, I believe.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I think they're now and the ramp for coming off.
Remember they had one three in a row. They're playing
at home. That was a big game for the Rams.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Big game as they're trying to compete for wild wild card,
and you know it eventually could have been maybe even
the division.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Excuse me.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
The forty nine ers were to stumble a little bit
more and obviously got the Cardinals trying to compete as well.
But the good game for the Dolphins, and that, to me,
I think you and I have been on the same
page of this. To a earnest Tua has shown sometimes Rob,
you can you can win, or you can be Your
value can increase by absence. You know, if sometimes when

(16:09):
you're not there, sometimes you remind folks that, oh, shoot,
this is what it's like. It's like when they're not there.
You know, if you have maybe you know someone in your.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Own you're going to do is go look at the
TV ratings for first take.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
When Steve is not there.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
Sure, well, shoot, ain't nothing. You ain't lying about that.
Well that's why he's won twenty.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Five dollar years.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
But you know what I'm saying, like stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
When he ain't there, and you know what I mean,
it's like, oh, shoot, I turn back. I'll come back.
When is he back Monday? I'll come back Monday.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
And you know, it's like the same thing happens when
you just realize the value of someone and you realize
how it could be a relationship, right you, I'm I
don't need her, and then you realize it ain't the
same without her, let me, you know. And that's to
me the Dolphins and not obviously this wasn't an issue.
There wasn't a beef. There wasn't you know, any internal issues.
It was simply too U was injured to what has
of course, these concussions. But now that he's back, they've

(16:58):
looked pretty good pretty much everyone.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
They lost him.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Buffalo, but they looked good. They lost by field goal
in that game. They will they look good.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
He looks good.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Remember one of the best things about him is is timing,
gets the ball at on time. Guys like Tyreek Hill
get hitting the hands right when they want it.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
They can get that yak and keep running. And he
was going smoother too.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
So yeah, they they needed him, they missed him, and
I think it was a reminder, Hey, I'm only getting better.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
I'm only knocking off the rust.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
This is something that we can be head in the
right direction and maybe not save this season in the
sense of getting to the postseason per se, but more
so save this season getting things running and operating for
next season.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
And against the Rams.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
He was good last night on third down and that's
sometimes what you need from a quarterback because he didn't
have any as huge eye popping numbers, but he did
what they need to do. Drive, Yeah, in order to
make it happen. There were there was six of thirteen
on third down. That's like almost fifty percent, right, and
then that's what you need. Only punted three times in

(17:59):
the game and again on the road, win a big
game against a team that had been hot. Matthew Stafford
had a bad night at the office, no touchdowns, had
that pick, just didn't do much.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah, he didn't. He did an integrete at all.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
But you know, for me again, I'm just looking at
this as if you're If you're Tyreek Hill, now if
I'm him, I don't know. Maybe we have some conversations
and saying, man, I don't need you out here always
flirting with the other team.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
Now.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
I know you have some good times there, had some
success of one, but dang, your best couple of years
was with your boy me too and the Dolphins. I
don't need you out here flirting out in the public,
which old boot trying to get her back. And the
Kansas City Chiefs, but igar Tyreek Hill and some of
the other off of Waddle and some of the offensive players.
You gotta feel like because they were averaging what thirteen

(18:46):
a game without him, they looked terrible without him, you know.
And Mike McDaniels again, and you know, it almost starts
to make you start pointing fingers right and all. They
don't look the same. Maybe he's not the right hand coach.
Now he got his swag back. You saw him walking
there back with the gold chains on go watch, had
his hair all, you know, got his shades on. Mike
McDaniel feel like a whole brand new Man now thats

(19:08):
you got to it back and so good for them.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Because he's an offensive genius.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
But if you don't have a quarterback, I don't care
what your plays off, I don't care what your plays are.
And we saw it. They struggle mightily without tool Man.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
They look like a completely different team. Again, this looks
like a team that could again we end the playoffs.
They keep their hopes alive. Obviously gonna be very difficult.
They have really no margin for era, but again, they
keep their hopes alive. And more importantly, like I said,
because listen, you know this is if you're to if
you're a hell Tyreek key, if your waddow some of
these other players and even Mike McDaniels, you're looking at

(19:43):
a long career. So yeah, maybe we don't make the
postseason this year, but if we end on a great streak,
kind of like the lines in a couple of years ago,
win out, you know, win most of your games out,
get some momentum going, get back to saying this is
who we are, this is what we do. Have a
good offseason, make the proper moves you need to make. There,
they'll be a scary team and into next season, and
so it's good to see him healthy. And that's the
key thing really in the Rob it's him being healthy

(20:06):
because when he's when he's out, that team is terrible.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
When he's not, they look competitive.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
And also, again you just hope he stays healthy, but
us specifically not a knee, not a foot down, an elbow, specifically,
those head injuries, because man, he's had way too many
concussions in such a young career.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
It's been it's been scared to see for sure.

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Speaker 3 (20:42):
Get at him there, Clay, what's up? Man? Thank you
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Speaker 7 (20:45):
No, guys, appreciate it. Man, appreciate you having me on here.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Hey. You know what, Rob and I were just talking
about the Dolphins.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Let me ask you this, as a former tight end,
what's it like when you get your guy back, when
you get your guy who you know you can sling
that thing accurate. Two hasn't been amazing, but he's been,
you know, much better than what they've had. And he's
looking like he's getting back to his own self. What
is it like when you get the guy who's supposed
to be throwing you the ball back?

Speaker 7 (21:11):
Man, It's unreal. It's just it's just a different it's
a different feel. The guy you took reps with all
off season, the guy you battled this in training camp,
the guy in the summer you went through all the
route treat you with you're you're out there working and
just to knowing that comfort of going through those plays,
those reps with that guy, and that's huge.

Speaker 8 (21:30):
Man.

Speaker 7 (21:30):
You need you guys know how much it comes down
to timing and trust and just the guy that you
knows the offense in and out. And I think that's
big and it's definitely definitely been big in that situation.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Let's talk about the Bear situation, and I mean, I
look at the NFL, A lot of things can happen.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
We saw Caleb play really well for three straight games.
We saw the hail married that took away a win.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
He had engineered the final drive to put them ahead,
and they lose on a Hail Mary, which you know
was a big law for the Bears. They would have
beat Washington on the road, you know, in that whole situation.
And now you know he's getting sacked all the time.
They just got rid of the offensive coordinator. There's just
a lot of things going on. And this is the
third first overall pick quarterback. What has been a coaching

(22:17):
change their first year? Like, is this just growing pains
and what goes on when you were our first year
quarterback in the NFL?

Speaker 7 (22:26):
And I honestly think it's more than that. It's unfortunate.
This thing's two fold. Caleb hasn't been good and neither
is Walter, and I think they both made each other worse,
So I think something had to be done. I'm hopeful
that Thomas Thomas Brown can come in and help this
offense and provide as spark. I know he didn't have
great credentials coming from Carolina last year, where he called

(22:47):
plays the last six weeks or already called plays at Miami,
But this is a guy that players love. Every guy
you ask about him. He's a guy that you're willing
to go to bat for and that you you really
think in trust when he goes out there because he's
a former player too, and you know how players always
respond to former players. But as far as Caleb's concerned,
he's just holding the ball too long. He's lasting five

(23:10):
second plays. He's getting sacked the most when this offense
gets the pass block wins. He's getting sacked a lot.
He's also holding on to the ball a lot. So
it's twofold there. I mean, he's missing passes, he has
some just she shows flashes and you guys alluded to
it earlier as far as those three games he had,
but then those games were against the thirtieth passing offense,

(23:32):
the twenty seventh passing offense, and the twenty seconds.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Okay, but if you don't, if you don't do well
against them, when when will you play well?

Speaker 2 (23:39):
I mean, like, it can't be.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
It can't be both ways, because if he doesn't play
well against them, then you kill the guy.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
So he should play well against him.

Speaker 7 (23:47):
No, exactly, That's what I'm saying. No shot his game.
So those are those kind of asterisks by him and
coming up.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
See this is where this is where we have the
big issue, because I hear this all the time where
people would to paint a picture. No one ever took
away the Patriots and tom Brady's wins in the AL,
in the AFC East when they played the Jets, the Dolphins,
and the Bills for fifteen years, like they had six
wins every year. Right, Nobody said, Oh, tom Brady's doing
it against the worst conference in.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
The worst division in the league. No, he's just great.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
That's because he did it against everybody else.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
No, but I'm saying, but you got to remember that
they padded those wins that got him so that all
you had to do was win two games to get
to the super Bowl every year.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
And it's a big difference.

Speaker 7 (24:30):
Oh yeah, you're counting those wins. But right now he's
got an opportunity to show because the next three games
we got Packers, Lines, and Vikings. Okay, these are all
three of these teams on the top eleven in past defense.
So if you can go out there and perform and
move the ball, people are gonna forget about this little
last three games stell you had. But he's got to
do that what tom Brady did, Yeah, he performed at

(24:51):
the back. He's performing against the good team too. I
love the Patriots too. Had a cup of coffee there.
But I was telling the team and got the practice
and play with Tom got it a different cat.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
I get that, But I'm just saying, like, you can't
have it both ways, Like if you don't play well
against the bad teams then you want then then what
are you suppose You're supposed to beat up.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
The bad teams?

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Rob saying, Rob, just remember you said that.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
So when we talked some other conversations, I say that,
you say, look who they be.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
No, they want to say they're not the best team
in the league and has and because it is, it
does matter who you beat and win games with.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (25:22):
Yeah, And the Patriots though, we're a bad team, and
that bad team kicked the Bears. You know what they were,
a bad defense, a bad team, a guy that was
drafted third after Kield was drafted first, and they went
out there and got embarrassed by the Patriots. So I mean,
there's a lot of work to be done here. I'm
not giving up on the season. There's so four and five.
If they can somehow beat the Packers this Sunday, Chicago

(25:45):
was ready to forgive them them.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
No.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Claig Clay Clay, you can give up on the season, Clay.

Speaker 7 (25:49):
Against the Bears. It's not if you beat the Packers
at home. It's been ten games, ten years since the
Bears have beat the Packers. They're thirteen of the last
won in Soldier Field in Soldier Field, won the last
ten games total. If you can pull off a win
this week, which is something.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
But if they don't win, I mean, is it Caleb
or is it the Bears and the Packers. I'm just saying,
like everybody else hasn't been able to beat them either.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Man, we ain't none of us got to worry about that.
They ain't beating the Packers. Play we can, we can
move off.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
They beat the Package, it would be something that will
be something.

Speaker 7 (26:21):
That upset alert. Let me love giving the ball away.
The Bears defense is actually pretty good in their top
five in turnovers this year, so there is a possibility
it would be a Bears defensive win. But if whatever
Jordan Love we get, that's what mattered. I don't think
they're going to move the ball on them, but get
a couple of touchdowns somehow a pick interception return in

(26:42):
this game, it could be a Bears win.

Speaker 9 (26:44):
What about likely?

Speaker 7 (26:45):
But possible.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
What about the Chiefs. I think they're the luckiest team.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I just cannot get over how I can't get over
the red zone and how they can't score even in
the game. They had two field goals in the second half.
The numbers just on good offensively, What is the problem.
I know that they've had some injuries or whatever, but
I still expect more from where they've come from and
what kind of offense they used to be. This is

(27:11):
now two years running, when the offense is just not
that great.

Speaker 7 (27:15):
Yeah, it doesn't look good. Obviously, the Broncos had a
good defense, and I like howd Hopps seemingly kind of
pumped some energy into that team. You see Travis Kelcey
coming back to life. He was snoozing in the first
half of the season. He seems to get getting more targets,
and Hopkins is bringing a little bit more energy. Broncos
obviously have a good defense, but I don't know. Andy
Reid was a coach of drafted me and played for

(27:36):
coach Reed for three years. He's a guy that can
adapt and adjust and he just has a knack for
winning these close games. They don't seem like the best
team in the NFL. Obviously they're undefeated, but I think
the Lions and the and the Ravens over them right now.
They got some work to do. But you know my
money is still on them come playoff time. Patch Mahall
was figuring it out before before it's too late.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Hey, Clay, real quick for me, I want to go
to a team actually beat in the Super Bowl. Why
don't I like the Philadelphia seventy six.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Ers, Like I mean, I means the Eagles.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
They're seven and two, And I don't like the seventy
sixers either, But they're seven and two, They've they've won
a bunch of games. You know, when we kind of
were writing them off. Why don't I trust him? Something
seems off? Please help me figure this out.

Speaker 7 (28:18):
Top five defense, top five off. But you should trust
these guys. They figured it out. Hand the ball to
Saquon Barkley and then throw it out to Devontae Smith
and AJ Brown.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
You mean Saquon Barkley who the Giants couldn't use that guy?

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, because Daniel Jones is better than him.

Speaker 7 (28:33):
Rob get rid It offensive line of the Eagles is different.
Man and squans come to life. This guy could be
one of the best editions in the tire off sees him.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
And Derrick Henry one and it's the Giants front office
should be broomed out.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
I mean to look at that.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
And last thing, I'm just gonna ask you real seriously,
Like now they're saying that Daniel Jones Adam Schefter didn't
really report it, said that he could. Don't be surprised
if Daniel Jones's play his last game as quarterback for
the Giants. My god, has been six or seven years
a long run. Uh Were you ever on the bandwagon
for Daniel Jones? Because I know I wasn't.

Speaker 7 (29:10):
No, I never jumped on the bandwagon. He had that
one year where he solid and I thought dable when
he was my tight end coach when I was in
New England. He knows how to put guys in the
spot to where they can be successful. I thought that
he could maybe switch up game plans enough to put
him in places where he's successful. It's hard to hide
a quarterback. He could do that with a tight end.
He could do that with the linebacker, but he ain't

(29:32):
gonna be able to do that with a quarterback. It's different.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
You'll get exposed, all right, all right, He is Clay Harber,
former NFL tight end. As you heard him mention their
NFL analyst Klay Harves eighty two on Twitter, weird.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Thank you so class, guys, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
I know you've been eager to get to it.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
Eight seven seven nine, eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox,
I want to trash talk you right now. Keep calling
them dag on Chiefs, the luckiest. How I'm gonna be
lucky and I'm about to have four Super Bowl rings.
Make that make sense, not don't even make any sense.
Trash Talking Tuesday, eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox,
We want to hear from you is Rob Parker Kevin Washington.

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(30:39):
Nears you folks, dot is expresspros dot com. You Rob Parker,
you know what time it is, right?

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Trash talking Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Don't you ever talk about me?

Speaker 4 (30:52):
It's trash talking Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Li Tee Regy. I don't know whether this is my yea.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Lets see kick a field go man.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
All right, here we go, trash talking Tuesdays underway.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Let's start with Kyle and Spokekane Washington, you're in the
odd couple of Fox Sports.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Read now, who you trading?

Speaker 5 (31:12):
Guy?

Speaker 10 (31:15):
I am trashing all the people who've given up on
the Seahawks, who are trashing them, telling them that they're
they're done, that they're tanking. I don't see it that way.
I'm tired of hearing people saying Geno Smith is not
a good quarterback. I'm tired of people saying fire ry
and grub. I think this team has got their best
football this year and still in front of them, and

(31:35):
I really I believe, and I just I can't. I
can't stand all these all these fair weather fans that
are just giving up on them already. And then it's
driving me nuts. Guys.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
All right, thanks Cole, appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
If I tell you what, Gino's turned it around a
little bit. Man, over the last few years.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
It ain't been the perfect season this year, but man,
we we forgot all about Geno Smith.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
To call them Gino's Pizza, and he did turn him
real They suck. That's right, Jay and Georgia. You're on
the couple of Fox Sports Radio. Who your trashing?

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Jay?

Speaker 8 (32:09):
Well, first of all, I want to transhcard don't know
about to want to hear nothing about Geno Swiz get out.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Wow anyway day he didave hang up the phone down.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Anyway.

Speaker 8 (32:24):
Yeah, but people gotta stop crying to Kayler WIBs. I
remember when they beat the lowly jad War the lowly
Rams who got everybody injured, and I think it was
the Panthers. Maybe people were ready to crying on People
were saying, oh, he's arrived, this, that and the third.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
The dude suck.

Speaker 8 (32:39):
He wasn't no generation to say to me even when
he was at USC But anyway, Rob Parker, I do
agree with you on one thing. What's up Michael Parson's
needs to turn off the MICAE. Yes, this dude is unbelievable.
How you gonna talk about Mike McCarthy when we didn't
want to play out soul up? You're nowhere to be found.
I don't even think to do you have a playoff fan,

(33:01):
so the Cowboys to trade him? There this fundtional team
from top to bottom and Cavin like you said yesterday,
can we please and start talking about them and find
other teams to talk about? This is getting ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Guy, all right, there you go, Jack. I like the energy.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yes you brought it, no doubt. How about Chili Tim
in Atlanta? You're on the couple of Fox Sports. Ready,
who you tra Tim?

Speaker 6 (33:26):
I'm trashing Davante Adams and Aaron Rodgers, so trashing Rob Parker.
So here you go. Davante Adams. First of all, you
know this guy, he left Green Bay. He wanted to
go to the Raiders, and then he left the Raiders.

Speaker 9 (33:40):
And he picked two teams.

Speaker 6 (33:41):
He said either this ain't so the Jets. If I
was one of those teams that didn't, you know, he's
spurring maybe happy because you know this guy got stink
all over them. Obviously he don't know how to pick
good teams. He doesn't know how to pick winners. So thank
god that he didn't choose you, So that shows that
you've got a future ahead of it. Say about Aaron Rodgers,
because you everything. He was like a lady out here

(34:01):
with a Virginia ham on the arm crish. He had
nothing to eat. Come man, they gave you everything you'll
want it. You got your coach by, you got your
officeive coordinator, you know, and you got what eight more
yards than Zack Wilson had in one less win. Come on, man,
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, they were older guys with
j especially Peyton man and his neck was about to
fall off. But you know what they did. They took teams,

(34:23):
young teams that didn't know how to win, and he
showed him how to win, and they won super Bowls
with him. And maybe Aaron Rodgers hadn't won it, Salon,
he forgot what the taste to win and taste like.
So yeah, I'm trashing Devanta Adams and Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 7 (34:34):
Peace, Hugh, Aaron.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Rodgers, All right, let's go all bother.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Wait where was the where was the shot at you?

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Just because that's your man's that's what it was, Parker.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Whatever, anybody who's listened to this show and Rob g
I don't even need robbed you the coach sign it.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
We'll get you the.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Sound on me talking about Aaron Rodgers going to the
Jets and how I didn't buy it for one second.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Rob g Am, I just yay or nay on that
you said they were going to be the Mets of
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
That's what I just said, because I knew it wasn't
gonna work, and I said it at the Toime Mace
in San Diego. You're on the couple of Fox boards.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Ready, who you dressed the Mace.

Speaker 9 (35:15):
The individuals who voted for Dark Rivers to win the
two thousand NBA Coach of Year over the Wow by
not making the playoffs. This has got my blood boiling
for the past twenty four years. Was an absolute strais.
That is the equivalent to the judges who gave the
Gold medal to Park sing Hun over Roy George Junior
in the nineteen ninety eighty eight Olympics, and when Shakespeare

(35:35):
in Love won the Oscar for Best Movie over Saving
Private Ryan and Upset for the Ages. The Lakers had
sixty seven wins, compounded with nineteen sixteen and eleven game
winning streaks and route to the NBA Championship and Phil
Jackson's inaugural season as the Lakers head coached. Conversely, Dark
Rivers want his winning six season was.

Speaker 11 (35:51):
Seven to the afflemensum Phil Jackson nineteen. This might Phil
Jacksons a compliment the Cosmens. In his inaugural season as
Lakers head coached, the NBA started a participation hoping mentality
that is plaguing his country. The Orlando Magic were forty
one and forty one and did not make the playoffs.
Touc Rivers was rewarded for his mediocrity, but didn't want
to get employees a month for doing doing mediocre work. Well,
I guess in this day and age you can this

(36:12):
was the impetus for being rewarded for mediocrity. For example,
the degenerate Kardashians with those soldier Boy and Honey Boo
Boo were famous. All these judges need to be subject
to the gregious punishment, which would be locked.

Speaker 9 (36:23):
Down, solitary confinement, bell like one tounnel obay and listen
to every single song. But that governs want to be
recording artists, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Can my goodness Grace.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Wow, honey booboo, what is she eighteen yet?

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I'm just su hold up. Hey, let's hold up. Yeah,
it sounded crazy. I'm not gonna hold you up. What
what about?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Why are you trying to figure out how long it's been?
That's all up my god

Speaker 3 (36:48):
You boys, But I'm trying to figure out you
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