November 20, 2024 • 38 mins
Rob and Kelvin react to the release of the semifinalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame and the guys get into a heated debate over whether or not Eli Manning belongs in the Hall. Senior Writer for The Athletic covering the Jets, Zack Rosenblatt, joins the guys to discuss his explosive article detailing Woody Johnson's problematic rule over the Jets. Plus, in this edition of One's Gotta Go, the guys are debating between the most iconic NFL TV theme songs!
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In about twenty eight minutes of Zach Rosenblat, senior writer
for The Athletic covering the Jets or the Mets mess
miss he'll give us some details on what's going there
with Gang Green and that kind of stuff with Kelvin. Yes, sir,
let's go here and talk more NFL and a guy
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who is a hot button topic and a polarizing figure.
And his name is Eli Manning. Yes, the former New
York Giants quarterback who has made the cut right in the.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Pro Football Hall of Fame. You got the details, let
us know.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, So you know, they drop a bunch of nominees,
you know, and we're kind of talking about it yesterday
with Pete Rose Hall of Fame and everything. So a
bunch of names kind of come out for the finalists.
Then they narrow that fifty folks down to the twenty
five player that are named the semi finalists as they
get closer and closer to determining who's going to actually
be in. So that just dropped today, Rob Parker and
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according to the all the outlets, here are some of
the nominees a new semi finalists.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I should say you have Eric Allen cornerback was really good.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Jared Allen and Jared Allen you remember him defensive end
with the Vikings, really good. I'll just name a few
more we know, and Kwon Bolden, Robert Siever, Antonio Gates,
James Harrison of course with the Steelers. You got Tory
Holt with the Rams all those years, Fred Taylor, Steve Smith, SR.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And Eli Manning just.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
To name a handful. There's obviously plenty more. But Eli
Manning also on this list. And it has been an
interesting conversation when it comes to Eli because many folks
including they interviewed a bunch of panelists and even some
pro Hall of famers already and they're pretty much saying, no,
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he shouldn't be in. You had a lot of people
who said no, You had a lot of people who
said maybe, and you had a handful of people who
said yes. Most people conventional thinking is he'll get in. I,
on the other hand, say oh, he should not be in. No,
Eli Manning should not be in. Yes, he has two
Super Bowl rings. But Eli Mannings for the most part,
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was mid He literally has a five hundred record. He
was thrown so many interceptions. He led the league in
interception so many times. And not a time that a
defense go into a game and say, you know, we
gotta stop, we gotta stop Eli Manning. There was no
defense that was worried about Eli Manning. He had a
good career. I think he had some heck of a
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a game, couple of games, and he has two Super
Bowl rings. I do not pooh pool on those. However,
he's getting in because.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Of two names.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That he is a Manning with Archie, with his brother,
with himself, and because his two wins came at the
expense of Tom Brady. That's why he's getting in, not
because he was that great. There are plenty of players
quarterbacks who are better than him. In fact, he's the
definition of yeah, yeah, And that's.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Why he's gonna get in. He's a Manning. He beat
Tom Brady. That's it.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Thank God for sticky on somebody's helmet, Tyree, David Tyree,
because that's what's also gonna help him get in.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Couldn't be more wrong.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Eli Manning is a legit Hall of Fame. He's a
layup for anybody who's honest about it, who's looking at
his career as a total I'll get it his entire career,
not just hand picking and saying this and that. If
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you look at his career, and my point is he's
had an unbelievable postseason run twice. You can do it
one time and people say you got lucky and things
broke your way, But Jay can't beat Tom Brady, who
you guys go around talking about is being the goat
outshine Tom Brady. When two MVPs have two signature throws,
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and you talk about to David Tyree play that didn't
win the Super Bowl. He didn't throw it up and
it was a lucky catch. He still had to get
the ball of plexical Burroughs to win, actually win the game,
which he did. The throw to Manningham might be one
of the greatest throws ever in the history of the NFL.
And also he stopped and beat the sixteen and old Patriots.
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And I don't know why people do not look at
those things. Those are real deal moments. He not getting
in because his last name is Manning. Yes, his brother
was a great player. Dad didn't win anything. It had
nothing to do with that, and his brother really won one.
The second one was a gift by the defense of
the Denver Broncos. Peyton Manning was benched that year. He
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was so bad, had less than two hundred yards in
that Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
He didn't win. He was along for the ride.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Peyton man Eli Manning is the reason the Giants won
those Super Bowls because he came up big time against
supposedly this goat. You guys keep saying, so he's a
goal the Patriots, we we're gonna be undefeated when the
Super Bowl. No, it didn't happen because Eli Manning was
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able to rise to the occasion and win a Super
Bowl that nobody thought he could win, and he did.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Parker.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
It was that defense that stopped Tom Brady and that team.
It was that front line. Do you remember how incredible
that front line in front seven was. They were and
I'm not saying their defense.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Was so good.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
They were leading at the end of the game, right
that because of their defense, Well, did they still need
the quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Defense stopped Tom Brady from scaring then, Listen, this is
not I'm not a person who has to say somebody
was trash. I'm not saying Eli Manning was trashed. Eli
Manning had a nice career. He did not have a
Hall of Fame career. Eli Manning is one hundred and
seventeen and one hundred and seventeen five hundred. Eli Manning
has only completed sixty percent of his passes.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Eli Manning for in last half of his career.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
After he won that touchdown, I mean a Super Bowl
was terrible. Listen to how many games he won after
he won that Super Bowl. Seven wins, six wins, six wins,
finally had a good season eleven and then three five one.
He was terrible at the end for most half of
his career. I'm not even being mean. For half of
his career he was not good. He wasn't even good,
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He wasn't even solid. And so what I'm saying is
the Hall of Fame. Man, you're a big fan of this.
You say this. The Hall of Fame is supposed to
be people we go Joe Montana check, you go, we go,
Lord Saylor check, Barry Sanders check, Jerry Rice check.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Not Eli Manner.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Should we look at Lebron's career?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Say he winds up playing I'm just asking he winds
up playing twenty six years and wins four championship? That's
is that spectacular? Is that I'm just talking about that?
Would you look at that?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Because ron Zick also say he was probably fifteen times
All NBA. Eli Manning was never even an all he
was never even all pro. But he can't put in
the Hall of Fame and not even be at one.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Time because he did something that no one was able
to do. And that's what when you gotta be able
to have a no you got You gotta be able
to have something, and you can't do it once. The
big thing is that he did it a second time.
If he did it once, I would be with you.
I would have your argument that he had the one
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day and everything went his way and that was it. No,
he did not and go Look, he had to go
on the road to get there. They were a six
seed both times they won the Super Bowl. They didn't
win the division. They had to go to Green Bay
and win. They had to go, to my point, to
go to big places and win big games.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Bowl As.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
What I'm trying to tell you is he was a
big game player.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I will give you that. I will give you that.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I would probably rather have him in a big game
than his brother. I'd give you that. But he's not
a Hall of Famer. The hall of fame is the
totality of your career. It is all that true. I
think it was about. It's not about is this what
they play to win? It's about winning the big game, right,
and you can't have it's about winning games.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
But this is the argument.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
People will say, Uh, Dan Marino, guy who went to
the Super Bowl one time, didn't win and have a
Super Bowl ring and they just look at his regular
season or either you look at somebody's regular season that
maybe wasn't the greatest, but you look at him in
the biggest moments, the biggest spots. When you talk about
the history of the NFL and what happened to that
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Patriots team with Tom Brady and Randy Moss, two Hall
of famers and all those other players on that team,
and you try to figure out why they didn't win
and go undefeated, there's one guy, and he won the MVP.
If he won two Super Bowls and he wasn't the
MVP in both games, you would have a case. I
would be with you. But he was the MVP in
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both games. That's what makes him different. He wasn't along
for the ride. If it really was about the defense,
it would have been given to a defensive player, the
same way that Peyton Manning didn't win the MVP when
the Broncos won the defense, Right, it was a defensive player,
it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
It wasn't Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Rob He has to be a massive differential like that person.
I can't tell the story of football without Eli Manning.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I can tell the football story.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
He can't.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
No, you cannot he beat Tom Brady twice, dude.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
That's why I keep telling you he's only in because
of Tom Brady. If he beat let's say he beat
I don't know Whoef, Philip Rivers or.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Somebody else would, you wouldn't be saying it that much.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It's because he beat with Tom Brady, which also, by
the way, adds to Tom Brady's ghat status that you
keep telling me somebody else needs to be in the
Hall of Fame because they beat somebody else.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
No, but it's not the point. And they were eighteen
to no, they were undefeated. Go back to that season
and look at that team and tell me you thought
that the Giants had a shot at beating them.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I remember when they talked about it.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Tom Brady laughs, golfed at them about that they were
going to be held to a certain amount of points
and then the game would be on. Remember how that
game went down. Brady and them scored, and then Eli
and them got the ball back. Brady was all set up.
Brady had had gotten them to score to take the lead,
and what did Eli do come down and get the score,
get the big touchdown to beat them. It's an incredible story.
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Anybody who did not who they're not look at, don't
know he belongs in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That's just he's so. He is the literal definition of
men like he was all right, he's nice? You solid?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
He was?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, And I can't believe you, how hard you take it,
how serious you take your MLV vote. I won't put
this person in. By golly, I don't care if what
you do. If I don't want to put you in once,
I'll never put you in. You have all this criteria.
But then when it comes to solid career at best, now,
all of a sudden, Eli is a first bat at
shoe in Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That is crazy. You're telling me he just made the cut.
If he was that bad, why would he Why did
he even make the cut because.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
His name is eloud.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
If his name was Joe Smith who beat Philip Rivers,
we would not be We would have a conversation. Yeah,
he should be on the fire the one hundred and
something people who get name.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Look it up.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Every quarterback that's won two MVPs and the Super Bowl is.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
In the Hall of Fame. And I bet you the
cover to you named had really good careers. Look I
bet you they had really good careers.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
And no way he's not going to get in the
Hall of Fame, because I just gave you the stat
to prove the point.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It just can be a person that was never all
pro never the best at your position, never had any defense,
schemed up.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Anything for you, and you can get in the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Two Kids, eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight
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want to hear from you. I don't that there's any
question he belongs in the Hall of Fame. Uh and uh,
you know, we want to hear from you.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Kelvin doesn't think so he thinks that he should get in,
not at all, not even an honorable mention. That he's
just a bum and he was lucky to win two
Super Bowls and two super bowl.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
There you go put where he won the bum. He
had a solid night, you're a solid career.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Good curio.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
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Speaker 2 (14:35):
Robin, I've been having a conversation.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's simple, Eli Manning, Hall of Famer or nah, I
say nah? Rob says yes, we'll say you eight seven
seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I don't like your face, Rob, what you see?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Let's go with the Caid in Reno, Nevada. You're on
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
What's up, Caid?
Speaker 7 (14:54):
How are we doing tonight?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Jo?
Speaker 8 (14:56):
Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Hey listen, I gotta be with you here. First, I
got a couple points one no quarterback ever gonna win
two Super Bowls and not getting the Hall of Fame
that started name regardless of who they play all that.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
But should they is the question? Should they?
Speaker 9 (15:16):
When?
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Just when they're MVP?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
It ain't like they they won two super Bowls, but
they weren't MVP then you then it's.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Up for debate. He won both MVPs.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Yeah, And I don't know about should they or would they?
Speaker 10 (15:29):
But they definitely would.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Now.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
The other thing is Eli Manning. People forget you know,
he's right there at top ten, top eleven all time
in passing the yards. Shoot, he wasn't a scrub.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You know he was.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
He didn't win, you know, twelve thirteen games a year,
but it's no scrub even in the regular season going
into those playoff Bros.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
There you go appreciate the call, Thanks Kate.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
How about truckle' donald, but he shouldn't be a Hall
of Fame, Don and Boston.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
This guy won Tom Brady forever, truck or Don, there
you go?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
What say you?
Speaker 5 (16:01):
We love to hear from you, Truckle Don? What's up?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
What's up?
Speaker 9 (16:04):
Man? Hey guys, great show as always. We're gonna have
to change the name of the show to the Quarterback
Whisper and the fall Guy.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
And we know which one Kelvin is.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Oh god, you know what. It's a man down situation.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I got my mother here, my wife here, my daughter,
So everybody's all concerned and scared and worried for me.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
But I'm all right. I'm manning through, Don, I'm pushing through. Brother.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Hey, Don, I'll tell you this. Go see what Jay
Leno looks like.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I mean, he fell.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Go look Ryan looking up Dallans, he looks, Oh my god,
I don't look like that.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Rob, I don't look like that.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
Half of Jay's face was purple.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
I know, all right, where are you on this truck
of Don?
Speaker 11 (16:57):
Well? Do you remember a.
Speaker 9 (16:59):
Few years back when Eli's cup quarterback arrested and I
called in the show. He got arrested because he almost
hit a a metro cop in a construction zone. Right,
And I called you and I told you that Eli
was getting arrested because he almost hit a receiver.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Okay, I hear you.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
I thought Kelvin would appreciate that one because I like
I said that that was a repeat, but it was
still one of my favorites if they Well, how about
Jim Punckett. Didn't he win two Super Bowls?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
I don't think he was an m v P twise, right,
Jim Plunkett didn't. No, no, no, that's what I'm saying.
Eli won the m v P twise. I don't think
Plunkett won the m v P twise.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
He didn't win it twice.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
He won it once.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
But still it's still kick tack minor different.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Nah, two m VP's is something done. All I appreciate
the time.
Speaker 9 (17:56):
I agree that two m VP's is something you have
to look at the body of work. It's not the
Prisoner of Moment award, you know, it's it's the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I agree with that, But you know me, I'm a
tough voter. I believe Eli belong.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, I'm shocked you Okay, with this against everything you say.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I wish he didn't play for the New York team.
I really want to know.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
I didn't grow up. I didn't grow up as a Giant.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
You keep saying that. None of us believe you.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I wasn't a Giants fan. I was a Yankee fan,
none of them.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
We really don't believe the Yankees. I stop that, all right, you.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Guys n Washington. You're in the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Justin? Yo?
Speaker 10 (18:33):
Yo, hey, Kelvin Man, educate this man?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
What happened?
Speaker 10 (18:41):
And do we lose the games? You said it right,
he's mid. He's the definition of mid over his career.
Like the guy doesn't deserve it. If his last name
wasn't Manning, if he didn't play for New York, he
wouldn't be there.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
No, it's about the MVPs. It's not about New York.
It's not it's not. Don Maddingley's not in the Hall
of Fame, Keith O. Nandez is not in the Hall
of Fame. They're just as good as some of the
players that they've let in of late Scott Rowland. You're
telling me Don Mattingley and Keith O. Nana's they played
in New York.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
They want you did they want?
Speaker 10 (19:14):
It's no different than the m v P. It's always
going to go to a course because no, it's not.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
It didn't go When the Broncos won and Peyton Manning
was a quarterback, did he win the MVP?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Manny was trash? He talking about the regular season.
Speaker 10 (19:28):
If it went for a miracle catch by Tyree.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Stop it.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
That didn't win the game, that didn't win the game.
Stop it, all right, thank you for the call. Appreciated, Rod.
I'm yell at whoever I want.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It was spinning facts.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, Rod in Memphis, you're on the couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I'm a yellow yall.
Speaker 11 (19:45):
I love your show. Give me a couple of minutes,
not a couple of manes, a couple of seconds. Man,
there's no way a dude with two MVPs, two super
Bowls not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
But let me say this.
Speaker 11 (19:56):
Also top eleven in touchdowns and pass thank.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
You the career, top eleven.
Speaker 11 (20:03):
How does it not matter he beat Tom Brady of
all people, if Jordan was four and two because the
Utah Jazz beat him twice, it would matter so much
that shocking him alone beat Jordan of all people for
those two rings to make him four and too so.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
But here was an issue, though, go ahead him alone
starting great Hall of Fame. Players were saying Eli Manning
was pretty good and then he'd bet Brady.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
He just gave you the numbers top eleven and touchdowns
and yards top eleven.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Not top career, remember top one?
Speaker 5 (20:37):
All right, Kelvin, he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
All say he wasn't all not a three time.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
You're saying that he don't have numbers top eleven, not
top forty.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Back play back then back didn't even play that long,
top all. Eli Manning is a solid to good players.
Stop acting like he's a first battle hall stop James
and Reno. You're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (21:07):
James, Hey, how you doing?
Speaker 10 (21:09):
I was calling because I want to know who you
would pick.
Speaker 9 (21:12):
Phil Simms was too super bowls.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Phil Simms doesn't. Phil Simms doesn't have two Super Bowls.
Jeff Hostel won the other one.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
He didn't win too, So your argument is over hang up,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
He might have had some bars or something. I don't
even know what about.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Say no, I'm just saying he got it off. The
top right. He said Phil Simms won. Phil Simms didn't
win two Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
We got another one.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
No, that's it, Monci. Where are you on this? Monci?
Speaker 12 (21:39):
All I'm gonna say is that you cannot tell the
story of football without bringing up Elian Giants patriot is
tell the story of football without that.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I can't believe y'all, y'all letting me brod. This goes
against everything you. Okay, I can't wait till we have
a major league baseball player.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I'm throwing the most any good. He was solid player.
At you. Here's my standards. If you're this, if you're that,
you can't get it now, Eli can get man you Manti?
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Is that when I sound like I sound awful? Yeah,
I sound like an old wash woman.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Kevin, you think he shouldn't be in.
Speaker 13 (22:15):
It at all or just the first ballot?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I don't think he's I think he's a really had
a real solid career. MVP's making a really good career
because he got the Super Bowl. I'm not mad at that,
but I thought the Hall of Fame was supposed to
be Dion Sanders, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman joke
like bam, bam bam.
Speaker 12 (22:33):
So context doesn't matter to you in this situation.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Not when not, when there's nothing like the other things
you weren't great at, you can't be. Never once were
you the best at your position.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Yeah no, And I hear and I hear you.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I I just so you were a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But never once you were one of the top one,
two or three a year in your position. Yeah, that's
crazy to me.
Speaker 12 (22:51):
He is he is an anomaly to the I hear
what you're saying, because his numbers aren't there. But you
can't tell the story without bringing him up.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And bring it up because it's Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
But continue, Manzi Monty twice and twice.
Speaker 13 (23:04):
Yeah I know, Yeah, yeah, all right, Well he is.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
The first two game he won Hall of Famer. The
man's in the Hall of Fame because he won two games.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
But that's and you know, that's not it.
Speaker 13 (23:13):
You're trying to simply what else is it?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
No? Really, his record is he never really had It
wasn't like, yeah, eight ten years of winning twelve games.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
So I just don't get it. It's two games got
him in.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Yeah, I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
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Speaker 2 (23:53):
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Speaker 1 (23:56):
We have a special guest, Zach Rosenblat, joining us now
for the athletic covering the Jets.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I'm sorry Zach that you have to cover the Jets. Zach,
appreciate you joined the job.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
But when you have a bad team, there's nothing but stories.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's a good momay. I'll give you that, Zach.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Am all right, yeah, yeah, I mean it's the same
old Jets. That's I get to deal with the same
stuff constantly. It's NonStop.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
So so you had a story out today and it's just,
my goodness, gracious, just a mess of what the Jets are.
And Woody Johnson the owner, and you know he he
wants Aaron Rodgers bench and he wants to do this,
and he wants to do that. We already know he
fired the coach during the season. The GM just got whacked.
It's just there's a reason the Jets are bad, and
(24:43):
a lot of it has to has to start at
the top.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Yeah, you know, I think when you're franchised that you
know they're gonna when they miss the playoffs this season,
it'll be fourteen three years without the playoffs. That's a
lot of head coaches, that's a lot of general maners
is with a lot of quarterbacks. And then one constant
has been what he and you know, the way he
runs the organization, like frankly, like that led to where
they are at right now.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
When you look at the organization, they do have one
Super Bowl and the Lions have none.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
I just want to put that out there.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, and what sixty what I.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Got it nineteen like seventy five to eighty five percent
of our listeners weren't even born when they say, hey,
let me ask you this, Zach, when we look at
what this organization has kind of given up the keys
to Aaron Rodgers. I wasn't necessarily mad at the sense
of Hey, they felt like, you know, our defense is
really good.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Uh, you know, we got some nice offensive pieces.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Going back to last year when they did this, what
was kind of the the would you were you in
on this all land?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Did you think this Aaron Rodgers experiment was going to work?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Are you shocked at where we are today?
Speaker 8 (25:51):
You know, it's an interesting question. I think there was
always a possibility you would go really poorly, but yeah,
to your point, like it felt like they were couldn't
really blame that for going all in on somebody that,
you know, just won the MVP in twenty twenty two,
Like that was our twenty twenty one sorry, like that
was very recent. So you know, it's the Jets have
never had a good quarterback like Aaron Rodgers is having
(26:12):
a bad season for him, and his stats is still
going to be one of the best quarterback seasons in
Jets history.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Which is though it is is cool, absolutely good. I
think he has better stats than Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
Yeah, so you know, it's the context obviously is important,
but like, yeah, so I thought that, you know, if
Aaron Rodgers is healthy and he looks like Aaron Rodgers
or even eighty percent of Aaron Rodgers, then this team
will be good. But what I didn't account for is
the all the stuff that has happened. And you know,
they fire Robert Sala, which you know, I you know,
(26:44):
I think it's been overblown how much of a mistake
that was, because I don't think they were particularly good
when he was coaching them anyway, But you know, they
fire him. They have all this drama going on. They
have a lot of mistakes they've made over the years
in the draft and free agency things like that. But
on paper, this is a roster that should be a
lot better than it is. And for whatever reason, the
culture is just not there. And I think you're finding
out like how important culture is and how important accountability is,
(27:06):
and there's not a lot of that, a lot of
that in that building.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
And Zach, you know what, I know, people love the
Jets defense. They they gave up twenty five points to
the terrible Patriots.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
They couldn't stop the Colts.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
I mean, the defense is not close to what people
thought it was at least a year ago or maybe
two years ago.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
That they've been bad too.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's been the biggest shocker
of this season. I think the last couple of years,
you could count on the Jets defense being pretty good
most weeks and the offense is kind of holding them back.
And there's been times this year where it's been the
complete opposite. And not only that, but you know, a
guy like saft Gardner has taken a step back to
a degree, yep, And they've had they've had injuries, you know,
Joe Douglas who just fired. You know, they kind of
(27:50):
blew up the defensive line and took a risk and
traded for as On Reddick and that failed miserably, and
so their pass rush has been worse. And so there's
you know, guys have gotten older, and there's been they
have more whole on the defense and maybe we maybe
realized when we were going into the season, and yeah,
that's been the biggest surprise, is the defense taking as
big of a step back as Ay he is.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Zach Rosenblatt, senior rider, the athletic covering the Jets, joining
the odd couple Rob Parker kelvin Washington. I look at
that division and Rob and I are both fans of
Hey when two was going, the Dolphins look like a
different team. Obviously, the Bills are rolling right now and
really have been for the last.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Three four seasons.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
If you're the Jets, how are you saying, man, we're
even the Patriots are better than us at this point,
which is crazy. How do they feel as if is
there a reset button? Do we just completely blow this
whole thing up and start over because we're behind even
in most teams in our division.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
I mean, the Jets of press the reset button so
many times. I don't really know what the great answer is.
But you know, ultimately the biggest question is how much
Woody is going to be involved in this next regime,
because if he hires a GM and he lets him
run the operation. You know, I've been comparing it to
what the Knicks did with Leon Rose. James Owen was
a disaster for a long.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Time, for a long time. That's a great comparison.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah, the reason that Knicks never could do anything he
had a terrible owner.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Yeah, and so they so he kind of handed the
reins over to someone who knows what he's doing. He
late Leon Rose run the show. And now the Knicks are,
you know, a really good NBA team. And so I
think if Woody can take a step back, find somebody smart,
find a good coach and get people to like run
this thing and let him be in the background, Like
he can still be involved. It's his team, that's you know,
his right, but he needs the right people. And if
(29:32):
he has the right people, Like, there is still talent
on this team. They have Garry Wilson, they have Bree solid,
their offensive lines gotten better, they have not Starter, they
have you know, some talent on that defense. Like there's
a pretty good core for a team that feels like
he needs to change everything. So if what he's willing
to see some control, then they could get back on check.
But if not, then you're going to keep going through
the cycle. They have to redo it every four years.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
And we've seen this in Dallas with Jerry Jones running
the Cowboys like a mom and pop store, right and
and and the idea that they have been bad for
a long time is amazing. I'm talking about as far
as trying to get to a championship game. As bad
as the Jets are, I think people forget they went
to the AFC Championship game back to back years with
(30:13):
Rex Ryan. That wasn't forty years ago, people, am I right?
Speaker 11 (30:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Is that?
Speaker 9 (30:18):
I mean?
Speaker 8 (30:18):
It was? That was the last time they were in
the playoffs. So that's that's kind of the length that
it is. But yeah, to your point, like they've shown
it can be done. And I think this this town
and this stand base is so starved to the Jet
to be good that it'll be really cool when it happens.
But they've just like done so many things to like
shoot themselves in the foot over the years and have
prevented it from happening. So I think this next GM
(30:39):
highre is going to be, you know, maybe the most
important stretch I've ever had, because you know, this GM
can lead this team into you know, into relevant if
Whatdy Johnson gives them the ability to do that, and
so sid to see you know who they get in
the buildings.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
And I know it will not nt be Bill Belichick.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
He will not work for what he john right, No, No, I.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
Mean he say He's taken pretty much like weekly shots
at Woody Johnson over the last couple of months. I
don't see that that's what happened.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
And one last thing we do want to ask.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I know you covered the Jets, but you know football
Eli Manning Hall of Famer Kelvin says, no, I say yes,
what do you say.
Speaker 8 (31:17):
I mean, based on who is in the Hall of Fame,
he will be in the Hall of Fame. But I
am more of the mind that I don't. He had
those two great playoff runs, but if you just look
at the collective of his career like he is, he
has never been one of the top five quarterbacks in
the NFL at any game.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Are you smart, Zach?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Zach, he beat got wet right time we got a break.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
He has signature throws, two MVPs. Every quarterback with two
m VP's and the Super Bowls in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
He's no way.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
He said, no way, and he shouldn't be And you, Zach,
you answered it the best way we know.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
He's getting in. He should deserves to be in. That's Zach.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I'm about to go reread your article. J Just Matt,
you're gonna get an extra click for me for that.
All right, that Rose, I'm black. Thank you so much, man,
senior writer again for the athletic covering the Jets. Go
check out his stuff. You can also follow him on Twitter.
Zach Blatt, thank you, brother.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Yeah, thanks good talking to you guys.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yep, Yeah, smart, He's a smart guy. Hey, one's gotta go.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
On the way, we got a little speaking up football,
little football edition.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I'll tell you what that is, and just a bit.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
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Speaker 2 (32:48):
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Speaker 1 (32:49):
And folks, we are coming to you live from the
tire Rack dot Com studios. Rob, this is a tough one.
I think we're getting ready to do here. This one's
gotta go. Maybe it's easy for you, but Alex I
were chopping up. This is a hard one, man, and
it's signed for one's gotta go.
Speaker 11 (33:05):
Five crows.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Even number.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Figure it out, all right, Rob Parker. So we're in
the knee deep in the NFL season. Folks are excited
or they're miserable. Maybe they're a Jacks fan, maybe they're
a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
But we're knee deep in it and it is what
it is.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
So it got me thinking, Rob, we talked about this before,
but we didn't get into the nitty gritty. One's gotta
go NFL networks, not NFL networks, but networks that cover
the NFL and their theme song.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Alex.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Let's set it off with ESPN's all right, that's of
course Monday Night Football. ESPN now has it for some time.
We all know it, we all love it, all right.
So there's that Monty Ryan, Alex, Rob, you're all in
on this, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Let's go to NBC. All right, that's NBC Sunday Night Football.
We all know it, we all love it. All right.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Let's get to one of the main says foxt Fox.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
All right, there we're going in.
Speaker 13 (34:07):
Lastly, c B s denied on CBS.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Man, these are all this is this might be the
hardest one's gotta go.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
We've had, Rob.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
I think it's a layup.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It's a layup for you, all right, don't answer it yet,
Manzi is it a layer for you?
Speaker 12 (34:23):
It's not for me.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
No, You're you're your team realistic.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
There's one that that is not going anywhere, and that's
the original Monday Night Football.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Like that's the Quinn Okay, but no, no.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
No, Rob. But that's one's gotta go. It's not one.
Stay oh, I know how they make it a layup?
That's one. Say all I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Remember, I'm just saying like that one is not really
one to be taken away.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Okay, all right maybe people maybe, so maybe it doesn't
hit like that for somebody.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Ryan, what is it easy for you or no?
Speaker 13 (34:50):
No, it's hard every single one going into it. I'm like, oh,
it's it's gonna be NBC.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
And then I hear it.
Speaker 13 (34:55):
I go, oh, no, it can't be NBC. Yeah, it's
all right, yes, no it can't.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It can't. I know it makes it hard.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Alex said, question, but here we go, So who wants
to set up Robson's is such a layup?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
We're gonna have you set it up?
Speaker 5 (35:05):
So first CBS. I would take CBS out.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
It's okay, but but it ain't as good as the
other one.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Okay, it's just not it's it's all right, it's good,
but the other ones are better.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Okay, okay, all right, Well that's Rob's.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Ladies should have went first, My bad Manci who you
got next?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Well, I mean, here's a woman. I did it right,
perfect woman.
Speaker 12 (35:29):
That was a perfect setup there, right, Alex.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
All right, Monty, who you got? You know what I would?
Speaker 13 (35:37):
I would remove also CBS, but it was hard.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
It's it's still epic. It's hard to read Out's.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Right, I agree, but I think you look at it.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Monk, all right, Yes, we already got your woman's perspective, Rob,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
We're on.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
We're on another woman now, all right, woman, so thank you, Moncey, CBS, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
What you got.
Speaker 13 (35:54):
It's time for the man's perspective.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Let me go in the bathroom and change my panty.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Don't cover that.
Speaker 13 (36:06):
I mean, that's a new dropt Thank you.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
I also think CBS.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Actually, all right, Alex, Alex, what you got? You got
something different?
Speaker 6 (36:16):
No, that's like that's I do actually have something different
because CBS is dope, NBC is dope, Monday Night Football
is dope. Maybe it's just because I play it so much,
but I hope the bobs aren't listening.
Speaker 13 (36:25):
But I get rid of the Fox. Then I heard
too much.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
I don't think it's iconic enough because it just starts
with a flare and then it's just that. Okay, hold on,
hold on, no on. Monci says this is more iconic
than you gotta get me kidding me.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
This is in Okay, listen, let me jump in there.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
If we were talking about if we were talking about
Gladiator movie, then you would be right, Alec, that sounds
like a glad Hair movie.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
But dope is the embody.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
It's company people.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I get when I hear that it's absolutely football.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
This was difficult.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I wanted to believe it or not. I'm going to
throw this out, believe it or not. I wanted to
get rid of Mony night football. But then I heard it,
and then I was like, all right, I'm crazy. I'm crazy.
That's hard. That's hard.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I gotta give it to him.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
So the answer, unfortunately, is my bad Jim Nance. It's
CBS say.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
And you know what, the Monday night football.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
When I was a kid growing up, you would hear
that start man, You'd run to the TV set like.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
That was my version of how you felt. Was how
I felt about NBA on NBC.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
When I heard that it was, it was, It was
up as a kid say it was up?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
All right?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
So we all agree, most of us agree on CBS
except for Alex.
Speaker 13 (37:39):
No, I do not agree.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Who was to be mister contrarian? No, Alex Alex When
I direct deposit, don't hit.
Speaker 13 (37:47):
Well, I mean you're not wrong, but.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Don't hit. It's gonna feel a little bit.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
All great.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
So CBS is by a hair, I mean it's great CBS.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
It's a compliment to all these when it actually was like, man,
none of them really want to go, but they had
to go. It's not like it's Eli Manning in the
Hall of Fame. Much easier to discuss sports radio.
Speaker 13 (38:07):
They aren't gladiators.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
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In about twenty eight minutes of Zach Rosenblat, senior writer
for The Athletic covering the Jets or the Mets mess
miss he'll give us some details on what's going there
with Gang Green and that kind of stuff with Kelvin. Yes, sir,
let's go here and talk more NFL and a guy
(01:19):
who is a hot button topic and a polarizing figure.
And his name is Eli Manning. Yes, the former New
York Giants quarterback who has made the cut right in the.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Pro Football Hall of Fame. You got the details, let
us know.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, So you know, they drop a bunch of nominees,
you know, and we're kind of talking about it yesterday
with Pete Rose Hall of Fame and everything. So a
bunch of names kind of come out for the finalists.
Then they narrow that fifty folks down to the twenty
five player that are named the semi finalists as they
get closer and closer to determining who's going to actually
be in. So that just dropped today, Rob Parker and
(01:59):
according to the all the outlets, here are some of
the nominees a new semi finalists.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I should say you have Eric Allen cornerback was really good.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Jared Allen and Jared Allen you remember him defensive end
with the Vikings, really good. I'll just name a few
more we know, and Kwon Bolden, Robert Siever, Antonio Gates,
James Harrison of course with the Steelers. You got Tory
Holt with the Rams all those years, Fred Taylor, Steve Smith, SR.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And Eli Manning just.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
To name a handful. There's obviously plenty more. But Eli
Manning also on this list. And it has been an
interesting conversation when it comes to Eli because many folks
including they interviewed a bunch of panelists and even some
pro Hall of famers already and they're pretty much saying, no,
(02:47):
he shouldn't be in. You had a lot of people
who said no, You had a lot of people who
said maybe, and you had a handful of people who
said yes. Most people conventional thinking is he'll get in. I,
on the other hand, say oh, he should not be in. No,
Eli Manning should not be in. Yes, he has two
Super Bowl rings. But Eli Mannings for the most part,
(03:09):
was mid He literally has a five hundred record. He
was thrown so many interceptions. He led the league in
interception so many times. And not a time that a
defense go into a game and say, you know, we
gotta stop, we gotta stop Eli Manning. There was no
defense that was worried about Eli Manning. He had a
good career. I think he had some heck of a
(03:30):
a game, couple of games, and he has two Super
Bowl rings. I do not pooh pool on those. However,
he's getting in because.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Of two names.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That he is a Manning with Archie, with his brother,
with himself, and because his two wins came at the
expense of Tom Brady. That's why he's getting in, not
because he was that great. There are plenty of players
quarterbacks who are better than him. In fact, he's the
definition of yeah, yeah, And that's.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Why he's gonna get in. He's a Manning. He beat
Tom Brady. That's it.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Thank God for sticky on somebody's helmet, Tyree, David Tyree,
because that's what's also gonna help him get in.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Couldn't be more wrong.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Eli Manning is a legit Hall of Fame. He's a
layup for anybody who's honest about it, who's looking at
his career as a total I'll get it his entire career,
not just hand picking and saying this and that. If
(04:35):
you look at his career, and my point is he's
had an unbelievable postseason run twice. You can do it
one time and people say you got lucky and things
broke your way, But Jay can't beat Tom Brady, who
you guys go around talking about is being the goat
outshine Tom Brady. When two MVPs have two signature throws,
(04:59):
and you talk about to David Tyree play that didn't
win the Super Bowl. He didn't throw it up and
it was a lucky catch. He still had to get
the ball of plexical Burroughs to win, actually win the game,
which he did. The throw to Manningham might be one
of the greatest throws ever in the history of the NFL.
And also he stopped and beat the sixteen and old Patriots.
(05:21):
And I don't know why people do not look at
those things. Those are real deal moments. He not getting
in because his last name is Manning. Yes, his brother
was a great player. Dad didn't win anything. It had
nothing to do with that, and his brother really won one.
The second one was a gift by the defense of
the Denver Broncos. Peyton Manning was benched that year. He
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was so bad, had less than two hundred yards in
that Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
He didn't win. He was along for the ride.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Peyton man Eli Manning is the reason the Giants won
those Super Bowls because he came up big time against
supposedly this goat. You guys keep saying, so he's a
goal the Patriots, we we're gonna be undefeated when the
Super Bowl. No, it didn't happen because Eli Manning was
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able to rise to the occasion and win a Super
Bowl that nobody thought he could win, and he did.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Parker.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
It was that defense that stopped Tom Brady and that team.
It was that front line. Do you remember how incredible
that front line in front seven was. They were and
I'm not saying their defense.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Was so good.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
They were leading at the end of the game, right
that because of their defense, Well, did they still need
the quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Defense stopped Tom Brady from scaring then, Listen, this is
not I'm not a person who has to say somebody
was trash. I'm not saying Eli Manning was trashed. Eli
Manning had a nice career. He did not have a
Hall of Fame career. Eli Manning is one hundred and
seventeen and one hundred and seventeen five hundred. Eli Manning
has only completed sixty percent of his passes.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Eli Manning for in last half of his career.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
After he won that touchdown, I mean a Super Bowl
was terrible. Listen to how many games he won after
he won that Super Bowl. Seven wins, six wins, six wins,
finally had a good season eleven and then three five one.
He was terrible at the end for most half of
his career. I'm not even being mean. For half of
his career he was not good. He wasn't even good,
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He wasn't even solid. And so what I'm saying is
the Hall of Fame. Man, you're a big fan of this.
You say this. The Hall of Fame is supposed to
be people we go Joe Montana check, you go, we go,
Lord Saylor check, Barry Sanders check, Jerry Rice check.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Not Eli Manner.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Should we look at Lebron's career?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Say he winds up playing I'm just asking he winds
up playing twenty six years and wins four championship? That's
is that spectacular? Is that I'm just talking about that?
Would you look at that?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Because ron Zick also say he was probably fifteen times
All NBA. Eli Manning was never even an all he
was never even all pro. But he can't put in
the Hall of Fame and not even be at one.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Time because he did something that no one was able
to do. And that's what when you gotta be able
to have a no you got You gotta be able
to have something, and you can't do it once. The
big thing is that he did it a second time.
If he did it once, I would be with you.
I would have your argument that he had the one
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day and everything went his way and that was it. No,
he did not and go Look, he had to go
on the road to get there. They were a six
seed both times they won the Super Bowl. They didn't
win the division. They had to go to Green Bay
and win. They had to go, to my point, to
go to big places and win big games.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Bowl As.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
What I'm trying to tell you is he was a
big game player.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I will give you that. I will give you that.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I would probably rather have him in a big game
than his brother. I'd give you that. But he's not
a Hall of Famer. The hall of fame is the
totality of your career. It is all that true. I
think it was about. It's not about is this what
they play to win? It's about winning the big game, right,
and you can't have it's about winning games.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
But this is the argument.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
People will say, Uh, Dan Marino, guy who went to
the Super Bowl one time, didn't win and have a
Super Bowl ring and they just look at his regular
season or either you look at somebody's regular season that
maybe wasn't the greatest, but you look at him in
the biggest moments, the biggest spots. When you talk about
the history of the NFL and what happened to that
(09:36):
Patriots team with Tom Brady and Randy Moss, two Hall
of famers and all those other players on that team,
and you try to figure out why they didn't win
and go undefeated, there's one guy, and he won the MVP.
If he won two Super Bowls and he wasn't the
MVP in both games, you would have a case. I
would be with you. But he was the MVP in
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both games. That's what makes him different. He wasn't along
for the ride. If it really was about the defense,
it would have been given to a defensive player, the
same way that Peyton Manning didn't win the MVP when
the Broncos won the defense, Right, it was a defensive player,
it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
It wasn't Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Rob He has to be a massive differential like that person.
I can't tell the story of football without Eli Manning.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I can tell the football story.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
He can't.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
No, you cannot he beat Tom Brady twice, dude.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
That's why I keep telling you he's only in because
of Tom Brady. If he beat let's say he beat
I don't know Whoef, Philip Rivers or.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Somebody else would, you wouldn't be saying it that much.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It's because he beat with Tom Brady, which also, by
the way, adds to Tom Brady's ghat status that you
keep telling me somebody else needs to be in the
Hall of Fame because they beat somebody else.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
No, but it's not the point. And they were eighteen
to no, they were undefeated. Go back to that season
and look at that team and tell me you thought
that the Giants had a shot at beating them.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I remember when they talked about it.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Tom Brady laughs, golfed at them about that they were
going to be held to a certain amount of points
and then the game would be on. Remember how that
game went down. Brady and them scored, and then Eli
and them got the ball back. Brady was all set up.
Brady had had gotten them to score to take the lead,
and what did Eli do come down and get the score,
get the big touchdown to beat them. It's an incredible story.
(11:31):
Anybody who did not who they're not look at, don't
know he belongs in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That's just he's so. He is the literal definition of
men like he was all right, he's nice? You solid?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
He was?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, And I can't believe you, how hard you take it,
how serious you take your MLV vote. I won't put
this person in. By golly, I don't care if what
you do. If I don't want to put you in once,
I'll never put you in. You have all this criteria.
But then when it comes to solid career at best, now,
all of a sudden, Eli is a first bat at
shoe in Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That is crazy. You're telling me he just made the cut.
If he was that bad, why would he Why did
he even make the cut because.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
His name is eloud.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
If his name was Joe Smith who beat Philip Rivers,
we would not be We would have a conversation. Yeah,
he should be on the fire the one hundred and
something people who get name.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Look it up.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Every quarterback that's won two MVPs and the Super Bowl is.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
In the Hall of Fame. And I bet you the
cover to you named had really good careers. Look I
bet you they had really good careers.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
And no way he's not going to get in the
Hall of Fame, because I just gave you the stat
to prove the point.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It just can be a person that was never all
pro never the best at your position, never had any defense,
schemed up.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Anything for you, and you can get in the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Two Kids, eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight
seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. We
want to hear from you. I don't that there's any
question he belongs in the Hall of Fame. Uh and uh,
you know, we want to hear from you.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Kelvin doesn't think so he thinks that he should get in,
not at all, not even an honorable mention. That he's
just a bum and he was lucky to win two
Super Bowls and two super bowl.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
There you go put where he won the bum. He
had a solid night, you're a solid career.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Good curio.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
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Speaker 2 (14:35):
Robin, I've been having a conversation.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's simple, Eli Manning, Hall of Famer or nah, I
say nah? Rob says yes, we'll say you eight seven
seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I don't like your face, Rob, what you see?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Let's go with the Caid in Reno, Nevada. You're on
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
What's up, Caid?
Speaker 7 (14:54):
How are we doing tonight?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Jo?
Speaker 8 (14:56):
Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Hey listen, I gotta be with you here. First, I
got a couple points one no quarterback ever gonna win
two Super Bowls and not getting the Hall of Fame
that started name regardless of who they play all that.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
But should they is the question? Should they?
Speaker 9 (15:16):
When?
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Just when they're MVP?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
It ain't like they they won two super Bowls, but
they weren't MVP then you then it's.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Up for debate. He won both MVPs.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Yeah, And I don't know about should they or would they?
Speaker 10 (15:29):
But they definitely would.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Now.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
The other thing is Eli Manning. People forget you know,
he's right there at top ten, top eleven all time
in passing the yards. Shoot, he wasn't a scrub.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You know he was.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
He didn't win, you know, twelve thirteen games a year,
but it's no scrub even in the regular season going
into those playoff Bros.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
There you go appreciate the call, Thanks Kate.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
How about truckle' donald, but he shouldn't be a Hall
of Fame, Don and Boston.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
This guy won Tom Brady forever, truck or Don, there
you go?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
What say you?
Speaker 5 (16:01):
We love to hear from you, Truckle Don? What's up?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
What's up?
Speaker 9 (16:04):
Man? Hey guys, great show as always. We're gonna have
to change the name of the show to the Quarterback
Whisper and the fall Guy.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
And we know which one Kelvin is.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Oh god, you know what. It's a man down situation.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I got my mother here, my wife here, my daughter,
So everybody's all concerned and scared and worried for me.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
But I'm all right. I'm manning through, Don, I'm pushing through. Brother.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Hey, Don, I'll tell you this. Go see what Jay
Leno looks like.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I mean, he fell.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Go look Ryan looking up Dallans, he looks, Oh my god,
I don't look like that.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Rob, I don't look like that.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
Half of Jay's face was purple.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
I know, all right, where are you on this truck
of Don?
Speaker 11 (16:57):
Well? Do you remember a.
Speaker 9 (16:59):
Few years back when Eli's cup quarterback arrested and I
called in the show. He got arrested because he almost
hit a a metro cop in a construction zone. Right,
And I called you and I told you that Eli
was getting arrested because he almost hit a receiver.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Okay, I hear you.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
I thought Kelvin would appreciate that one because I like
I said that that was a repeat, but it was
still one of my favorites if they Well, how about
Jim Punckett. Didn't he win two Super Bowls?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
I don't think he was an m v P twise, right,
Jim Plunkett didn't. No, no, no, that's what I'm saying.
Eli won the m v P twise. I don't think
Plunkett won the m v P twise.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
He didn't win it twice.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
He won it once.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
But still it's still kick tack minor different.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Nah, two m VP's is something done. All I appreciate
the time.
Speaker 9 (17:56):
I agree that two m VP's is something you have
to look at the body of work. It's not the
Prisoner of Moment award, you know, it's it's the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I agree with that, But you know me, I'm a
tough voter. I believe Eli belong.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, I'm shocked you Okay, with this against everything you say.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I wish he didn't play for the New York team.
I really want to know.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
I didn't grow up. I didn't grow up as a Giant.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
You keep saying that. None of us believe you.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I wasn't a Giants fan. I was a Yankee fan,
none of them.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
We really don't believe the Yankees. I stop that, all right, you.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Guys n Washington. You're in the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Justin? Yo?
Speaker 10 (18:33):
Yo, hey, Kelvin Man, educate this man?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
What happened?
Speaker 10 (18:41):
And do we lose the games? You said it right,
he's mid. He's the definition of mid over his career.
Like the guy doesn't deserve it. If his last name
wasn't Manning, if he didn't play for New York, he
wouldn't be there.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
No, it's about the MVPs. It's not about New York.
It's not it's not. Don Maddingley's not in the Hall
of Fame, Keith O. Nandez is not in the Hall
of Fame. They're just as good as some of the
players that they've let in of late Scott Rowland. You're
telling me Don Mattingley and Keith O. Nana's they played
in New York.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
They want you did they want?
Speaker 10 (19:14):
It's no different than the m v P. It's always
going to go to a course because no, it's not.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
It didn't go When the Broncos won and Peyton Manning
was a quarterback, did he win the MVP?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Manny was trash? He talking about the regular season.
Speaker 10 (19:28):
If it went for a miracle catch by Tyree.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Stop it.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
That didn't win the game, that didn't win the game.
Stop it, all right, thank you for the call. Appreciated, Rod.
I'm yell at whoever I want.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It was spinning facts.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, Rod in Memphis, you're on the couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I'm a yellow yall.
Speaker 11 (19:45):
I love your show. Give me a couple of minutes,
not a couple of manes, a couple of seconds. Man,
there's no way a dude with two MVPs, two super
Bowls not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
But let me say this.
Speaker 11 (19:56):
Also top eleven in touchdowns and pass thank.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
You the career, top eleven.
Speaker 11 (20:03):
How does it not matter he beat Tom Brady of
all people, if Jordan was four and two because the
Utah Jazz beat him twice, it would matter so much
that shocking him alone beat Jordan of all people for
those two rings to make him four and too so.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
But here was an issue, though, go ahead him alone
starting great Hall of Fame. Players were saying Eli Manning
was pretty good and then he'd bet Brady.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
He just gave you the numbers top eleven and touchdowns
and yards top eleven.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Not top career, remember top one?
Speaker 5 (20:37):
All right, Kelvin, he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
All say he wasn't all not a three time.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
You're saying that he don't have numbers top eleven, not
top forty.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Back play back then back didn't even play that long,
top all. Eli Manning is a solid to good players.
Stop acting like he's a first battle hall stop James
and Reno. You're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (21:07):
James, Hey, how you doing?
Speaker 10 (21:09):
I was calling because I want to know who you
would pick.
Speaker 9 (21:12):
Phil Simms was too super bowls.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Phil Simms doesn't. Phil Simms doesn't have two Super Bowls.
Jeff Hostel won the other one.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
He didn't win too, So your argument is over hang up,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
He might have had some bars or something. I don't
even know what about.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Say no, I'm just saying he got it off. The
top right. He said Phil Simms won. Phil Simms didn't
win two Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
We got another one.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
No, that's it, Monci. Where are you on this? Monci?
Speaker 12 (21:39):
All I'm gonna say is that you cannot tell the
story of football without bringing up Elian Giants patriot is
tell the story of football without that.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I can't believe y'all, y'all letting me brod. This goes
against everything you. Okay, I can't wait till we have
a major league baseball player.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I'm throwing the most any good. He was solid player.
At you. Here's my standards. If you're this, if you're that,
you can't get it now, Eli can get man you Manti?
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Is that when I sound like I sound awful? Yeah,
I sound like an old wash woman.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Kevin, you think he shouldn't be in.
Speaker 13 (22:15):
It at all or just the first ballot?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I don't think he's I think he's a really had
a real solid career. MVP's making a really good career
because he got the Super Bowl. I'm not mad at that,
but I thought the Hall of Fame was supposed to
be Dion Sanders, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman joke
like bam, bam bam.
Speaker 12 (22:33):
So context doesn't matter to you in this situation.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Not when not, when there's nothing like the other things
you weren't great at, you can't be. Never once were
you the best at your position.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Yeah no, And I hear and I hear you.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I I just so you were a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But never once you were one of the top one,
two or three a year in your position. Yeah, that's
crazy to me.
Speaker 12 (22:51):
He is he is an anomaly to the I hear
what you're saying, because his numbers aren't there. But you
can't tell the story without bringing him up.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And bring it up because it's Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
But continue, Manzi Monty twice and twice.
Speaker 13 (23:04):
Yeah I know, Yeah, yeah, all right, Well he is.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
The first two game he won Hall of Famer. The
man's in the Hall of Fame because he won two games.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
But that's and you know, that's not it.
Speaker 13 (23:13):
You're trying to simply what else is it?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
No? Really, his record is he never really had It
wasn't like, yeah, eight ten years of winning twelve games.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
So I just don't get it. It's two games got
him in.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Yeah, I hear you, I hear you.
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Speaker 2 (23:53):
Appreciate you guys rocking with us right now.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
We have a special guest, Zach Rosenblat, joining us now
for the athletic covering the Jets.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I'm sorry Zach that you have to cover the Jets. Zach,
appreciate you joined the job.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
But when you have a bad team, there's nothing but stories.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's a good momay. I'll give you that, Zach.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Am all right, yeah, yeah, I mean it's the same
old Jets. That's I get to deal with the same
stuff constantly. It's NonStop.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
So so you had a story out today and it's just,
my goodness, gracious, just a mess of what the Jets are.
And Woody Johnson the owner, and you know he he
wants Aaron Rodgers bench and he wants to do this,
and he wants to do that. We already know he
fired the coach during the season. The GM just got whacked.
It's just there's a reason the Jets are bad, and
(24:43):
a lot of it has to has to start at
the top.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Yeah, you know, I think when you're franchised that you
know they're gonna when they miss the playoffs this season,
it'll be fourteen three years without the playoffs. That's a
lot of head coaches, that's a lot of general maners
is with a lot of quarterbacks. And then one constant
has been what he and you know, the way he
runs the organization, like frankly, like that led to where
they are at right now.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
When you look at the organization, they do have one
Super Bowl and the Lions have none.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
I just want to put that out there.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, and what sixty what I.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Got it nineteen like seventy five to eighty five percent
of our listeners weren't even born when they say, hey,
let me ask you this, Zach, when we look at
what this organization has kind of given up the keys
to Aaron Rodgers. I wasn't necessarily mad at the sense
of Hey, they felt like, you know, our defense is
really good.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Uh, you know, we got some nice offensive pieces.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Going back to last year when they did this, what
was kind of the the would you were you in
on this all land?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Did you think this Aaron Rodgers experiment was going to work?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Are you shocked at where we are today?
Speaker 8 (25:51):
You know, it's an interesting question. I think there was
always a possibility you would go really poorly, but yeah,
to your point, like it felt like they were couldn't
really blame that for going all in on somebody that,
you know, just won the MVP in twenty twenty two,
Like that was our twenty twenty one sorry, like that
was very recent. So you know, it's the Jets have
never had a good quarterback like Aaron Rodgers is having
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a bad season for him, and his stats is still
going to be one of the best quarterback seasons in
Jets history.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Which is though it is is cool, absolutely good. I
think he has better stats than Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
Yeah, so you know, it's the context obviously is important,
but like, yeah, so I thought that, you know, if
Aaron Rodgers is healthy and he looks like Aaron Rodgers
or even eighty percent of Aaron Rodgers, then this team
will be good. But what I didn't account for is
the all the stuff that has happened. And you know,
they fire Robert Sala, which you know, I you know,
(26:44):
I think it's been overblown how much of a mistake
that was, because I don't think they were particularly good
when he was coaching them anyway, But you know, they
fire him. They have all this drama going on. They
have a lot of mistakes they've made over the years
in the draft and free agency things like that. But
on paper, this is a roster that should be a
lot better than it is. And for whatever reason, the
culture is just not there. And I think you're finding
out like how important culture is and how important accountability is,
(27:06):
and there's not a lot of that, a lot of
that in that building.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
And Zach, you know what, I know, people love the
Jets defense. They they gave up twenty five points to
the terrible Patriots.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
They couldn't stop the Colts.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
I mean, the defense is not close to what people
thought it was at least a year ago or maybe
two years ago.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
That they've been bad too.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's been the biggest shocker
of this season. I think the last couple of years,
you could count on the Jets defense being pretty good
most weeks and the offense is kind of holding them back.
And there's been times this year where it's been the
complete opposite. And not only that, but you know, a
guy like saft Gardner has taken a step back to
a degree, yep, And they've had they've had injuries, you know,
Joe Douglas who just fired. You know, they kind of
(27:50):
blew up the defensive line and took a risk and
traded for as On Reddick and that failed miserably, and
so their pass rush has been worse. And so there's
you know, guys have gotten older, and there's been they
have more whole on the defense and maybe we maybe
realized when we were going into the season, and yeah,
that's been the biggest surprise, is the defense taking as
big of a step back as Ay he is.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Zach Rosenblatt, senior rider, the athletic covering the Jets, joining
the odd couple Rob Parker kelvin Washington. I look at
that division and Rob and I are both fans of
Hey when two was going, the Dolphins look like a
different team. Obviously, the Bills are rolling right now and
really have been for the last.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Three four seasons.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
If you're the Jets, how are you saying, man, we're
even the Patriots are better than us at this point,
which is crazy. How do they feel as if is
there a reset button? Do we just completely blow this
whole thing up and start over because we're behind even
in most teams in our division.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
I mean, the Jets of press the reset button so
many times. I don't really know what the great answer is.
But you know, ultimately the biggest question is how much
Woody is going to be involved in this next regime,
because if he hires a GM and he lets him
run the operation. You know, I've been comparing it to
what the Knicks did with Leon Rose. James Owen was
a disaster for a long.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Time, for a long time. That's a great comparison.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah, the reason that Knicks never could do anything he
had a terrible owner.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Yeah, and so they so he kind of handed the
reins over to someone who knows what he's doing. He
late Leon Rose run the show. And now the Knicks are,
you know, a really good NBA team. And so I
think if Woody can take a step back, find somebody smart,
find a good coach and get people to like run
this thing and let him be in the background, Like
he can still be involved. It's his team, that's you know,
his right, but he needs the right people. And if
(29:32):
he has the right people, Like, there is still talent
on this team. They have Garry Wilson, they have Bree solid,
their offensive lines gotten better, they have not Starter, they
have you know, some talent on that defense. Like there's
a pretty good core for a team that feels like
he needs to change everything. So if what he's willing
to see some control, then they could get back on check.
But if not, then you're going to keep going through
the cycle. They have to redo it every four years.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
And we've seen this in Dallas with Jerry Jones running
the Cowboys like a mom and pop store, right and
and and the idea that they have been bad for
a long time is amazing. I'm talking about as far
as trying to get to a championship game. As bad
as the Jets are, I think people forget they went
to the AFC Championship game back to back years with
(30:13):
Rex Ryan. That wasn't forty years ago, people, am I right?
Speaker 11 (30:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Is that?
Speaker 9 (30:18):
I mean?
Speaker 8 (30:18):
It was? That was the last time they were in
the playoffs. So that's that's kind of the length that
it is. But yeah, to your point, like they've shown
it can be done. And I think this this town
and this stand base is so starved to the Jet
to be good that it'll be really cool when it happens.
But they've just like done so many things to like
shoot themselves in the foot over the years and have
prevented it from happening. So I think this next GM
(30:39):
highre is going to be, you know, maybe the most
important stretch I've ever had, because you know, this GM
can lead this team into you know, into relevant if
Whatdy Johnson gives them the ability to do that, and
so sid to see you know who they get in
the buildings.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
And I know it will not nt be Bill Belichick.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
He will not work for what he john right, No, No, I.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
Mean he say He's taken pretty much like weekly shots
at Woody Johnson over the last couple of months. I
don't see that that's what happened.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
And one last thing we do want to ask.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I know you covered the Jets, but you know football
Eli Manning Hall of Famer Kelvin says, no, I say yes,
what do you say.
Speaker 8 (31:17):
I mean, based on who is in the Hall of Fame,
he will be in the Hall of Fame. But I
am more of the mind that I don't. He had
those two great playoff runs, but if you just look
at the collective of his career like he is, he
has never been one of the top five quarterbacks in
the NFL at any game.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Are you smart, Zach?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Zach, he beat got wet right time we got a break.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
He has signature throws, two MVPs. Every quarterback with two
m VP's and the Super Bowls in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
He's no way.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
He said, no way, and he shouldn't be And you, Zach,
you answered it the best way we know.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
He's getting in. He should deserves to be in. That's Zach.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I'm about to go reread your article. J Just Matt,
you're gonna get an extra click for me for that.
All right, that Rose, I'm black. Thank you so much, man,
senior writer again for the athletic covering the Jets. Go
check out his stuff. You can also follow him on Twitter.
Zach Blatt, thank you, brother.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Yeah, thanks good talking to you guys.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yep, Yeah, smart, He's a smart guy. Hey, one's gotta go.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
On the way, we got a little speaking up football,
little football edition.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I'll tell you what that is, and just a bit.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
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Speaker 1 (32:40):
Fox Sports Radio The Odd Couple on a worship Wednesday.
Rod Parker, kelvin Washington, Thank you for hanging out with
us on this Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
And folks, we are coming to you live from the
tire Rack dot Com studios. Rob, this is a tough one.
I think we're getting ready to do here. This one's
gotta go. Maybe it's easy for you, but Alex I
were chopping up. This is a hard one, man, and
it's signed for one's gotta go.
Speaker 11 (33:05):
Five crows.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Even number.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Figure it out, all right, Rob Parker. So we're in
the knee deep in the NFL season. Folks are excited
or they're miserable. Maybe they're a Jacks fan, maybe they're
a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
But we're knee deep in it and it is what
it is.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
So it got me thinking, Rob, we talked about this before,
but we didn't get into the nitty gritty. One's gotta
go NFL networks, not NFL networks, but networks that cover
the NFL and their theme song.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Alex.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Let's set it off with ESPN's all right, that's of
course Monday Night Football. ESPN now has it for some time.
We all know it, we all love it, all right.
So there's that Monty Ryan, Alex, Rob, you're all in
on this, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Let's go to NBC. All right, that's NBC Sunday Night Football.
We all know it, we all love it. All right.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Let's get to one of the main says foxt Fox.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
All right, there we're going in.
Speaker 13 (34:07):
Lastly, c B s denied on CBS.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Man, these are all this is this might be the
hardest one's gotta go.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
We've had, Rob.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
I think it's a layup.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It's a layup for you, all right, don't answer it yet,
Manzi is it a layer for you?
Speaker 12 (34:23):
It's not for me.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
No, You're you're your team realistic.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
There's one that that is not going anywhere, and that's
the original Monday Night Football.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Like that's the Quinn Okay, but no, no.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
No, Rob. But that's one's gotta go. It's not one.
Stay oh, I know how they make it a layup?
That's one. Say all I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Remember, I'm just saying like that one is not really
one to be taken away.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Okay, all right maybe people maybe, so maybe it doesn't
hit like that for somebody.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Ryan, what is it easy for you or no?
Speaker 13 (34:50):
No, it's hard every single one going into it. I'm like, oh,
it's it's gonna be NBC.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
And then I hear it.
Speaker 13 (34:55):
I go, oh, no, it can't be NBC. Yeah, it's
all right, yes, no it can't.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It can't. I know it makes it hard.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Alex said, question, but here we go, So who wants
to set up Robson's is such a layup?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
We're gonna have you set it up?
Speaker 5 (35:05):
So first CBS. I would take CBS out.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
It's okay, but but it ain't as good as the
other one.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Okay, it's just not it's it's all right, it's good,
but the other ones are better.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Okay, okay, all right, Well that's Rob's.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Ladies should have went first, My bad Manci who you
got next?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Well, I mean, here's a woman. I did it right,
perfect woman.
Speaker 12 (35:29):
That was a perfect setup there, right, Alex.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
All right, Monty, who you got? You know what I would?
Speaker 13 (35:37):
I would remove also CBS, but it was hard.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
It's it's still epic. It's hard to read Out's.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Right, I agree, but I think you look at it.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Monk, all right, Yes, we already got your woman's perspective, Rob,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
We're on.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
We're on another woman now, all right, woman, so thank you, Moncey, CBS, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
What you got.
Speaker 13 (35:54):
It's time for the man's perspective.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Let me go in the bathroom and change my panty.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Don't cover that.
Speaker 13 (36:06):
I mean, that's a new dropt Thank you.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
I also think CBS.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Actually, all right, Alex, Alex, what you got? You got
something different?
Speaker 6 (36:16):
No, that's like that's I do actually have something different
because CBS is dope, NBC is dope, Monday Night Football
is dope. Maybe it's just because I play it so much,
but I hope the bobs aren't listening.
Speaker 13 (36:25):
But I get rid of the Fox. Then I heard
too much.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
I don't think it's iconic enough because it just starts
with a flare and then it's just that. Okay, hold on,
hold on, no on. Monci says this is more iconic
than you gotta get me kidding me.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
This is in Okay, listen, let me jump in there.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
If we were talking about if we were talking about
Gladiator movie, then you would be right, Alec, that sounds
like a glad Hair movie.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
But dope is the embody.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
It's company people.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I get when I hear that it's absolutely football.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
This was difficult.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I wanted to believe it or not. I'm going to
throw this out, believe it or not. I wanted to
get rid of Mony night football. But then I heard it,
and then I was like, all right, I'm crazy. I'm crazy.
That's hard. That's hard.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I gotta give it to him.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
So the answer, unfortunately, is my bad Jim Nance. It's
CBS say.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
And you know what, the Monday night football.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
When I was a kid growing up, you would hear
that start man, You'd run to the TV set like.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
That was my version of how you felt. Was how
I felt about NBA on NBC.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
When I heard that it was, it was, It was
up as a kid say it was up?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
All right?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
So we all agree, most of us agree on CBS
except for Alex.
Speaker 13 (37:39):
No, I do not agree.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Who was to be mister contrarian? No, Alex Alex When
I direct deposit, don't hit.
Speaker 13 (37:47):
Well, I mean you're not wrong, but.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Don't hit. It's gonna feel a little bit.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
All great.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
So CBS is by a hair, I mean it's great CBS.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
It's a compliment to all these when it actually was like, man,
none of them really want to go, but they had
to go. It's not like it's Eli Manning in the
Hall of Fame. Much easier to discuss sports radio.
Speaker 13 (38:07):
They aren't gladiators.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
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