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Rob Parker & Martin Weiss talk about the terrible ending of the Bears vs Lions on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:16):
Inside the Odd Couple on a happy Thanksgiving evening?

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Speaker 2 (00:30):
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Speaker 3 (00:36):
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Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah, we're at a live studio for a live audience.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Okay, all right, all right, well it is Thanksgiving evening
and we are here the Odd Couple for the next
three hours, and yes we are live. Let's welcome in
my co host, mister Martin Weiss.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
You Happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. What's happening?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
How are you?

Speaker 6 (01:39):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:39):
You know, life is good. I spent my Thanksgiving under
the hood of my new car. So man, stuff, is
it new or new?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Used? New to me? Which is new? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Well, I'm just saying because if it was new from
the dealership, you shouldn't have your head on the wards.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's what I'm saying, right, That's what.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
I mean, like it shouldn't be right. I'm trying to
manhood in this country. Rob, I got I fixed my
own car. Oh is that what it is?

Speaker 6 (02:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Cheap?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
You change your own oil too, yeah? Wow, okay, very nice.
You can't change a tire. I can change your time
with you. I've changed the tire before. On the freeway.
Are you kidding?

Speaker 5 (02:17):
Right now, there's somebody pulled over because they can't change
the tirewaiting triple a.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Oh, I believe, and their wife is looking at them
like see Martin.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Well also too. You gotta be careful. It's got to
be dangerous. People get hit out there trying to change
your tire on the freeway. I mean, you gotta be
if you're not in a safe spot, you have to
be careful. But all right, let's welcome in the Odd
Couple crew. And yes, you know, working on the holidays
is something I'm used to. I worked in Detroit for
all these years, covered the Lions Thanksgiving Day game for

(02:44):
twenty years, so this is like norm for me. And
anytime I get a chance to do the Odd Couple,
even on a holiday or whatever.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
As you know, I love the summertime. I love to
go to baseball games, to travel. That's when I use
my vacation time up and I'd rather be here. So
if you're drying around you want to listen to the
Odd Couple, call in, jump into conversation.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
We can do that.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
If you've got a flat tire and you're waiting for
Triple A, all you could do that as well.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Call Triple A first and then call the Odd Couple.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
I mean you can call the couple. We'll walk you
through it.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
All right, let's welcome in our producer of course, Patrick
filling in for Rob g Hey, guys, that's right, usc Chris,
what's up?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Chris? Doing the updates. He's at the anchor desk. Can
I get we can hear you.

Speaker 7 (03:29):
It's a new Uh, it's a new situation. I'm usually
over on the board op and now uh they throw
me over here instead. And I feel good after the
lions what say?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah? There you go.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
And Chris was one of my students at USC. I'm
proud of Chris. Where he's gone.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Did you get a refund from Sally Maker? That what
Chris learn? I'm talking about that degree?

Speaker 5 (03:50):
Oh yeah, Uh, we'll see you have a USC degree too.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Hold on a seconds.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
We both went to a riot, but I didn't take
Rob Parker's class that were my degree is legit.

Speaker 7 (04:01):
Rob Perker talked me out of an actual real class
to go over to head class.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
You see that and that was problem. That was the
best thing that ever happened to you. We did you
not enjoy that class?

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Chris coast Gray.

Speaker 7 (04:11):
We got to talk with Joe Dumars and we had
Terrell Owens in the class. It was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
It was fantastic. Even Martin even filled it for me
once on my for my class. Wait, hold on now,
those now those students have a have a.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yes they have a reason to want their money back.
I would too. I'd be mad if I was teaching.
There you go, all right, and uh on the ones
and twos? Why you bug?

Speaker 3 (04:36):
And all right, let's let's start with the first game
of the day on Thanksgiving, of course, the Lions traditional
Thanksgiving Day game in Detroit, and for years a long
time people always said they wanted the Lions to give
it up. People when the Lions were brutal and I
was doing those twenty years of covering, people were like,
we're tired of watching the Lions. Nobody wants to see

(04:57):
the Lions, and and people had to be remind I
did that. A was the Lions owner that came up
with the idea for the Thanksgiving Day game. So it
was originally done in Detroit, and it's a holiday for
people who don't know it's big, it's a holiday in
the city or whatever. So anyway, the Lions got off
to a fast start. Everybody thought it was gonna be

(05:17):
a blowout, and then all of a sudden, the Bears
put on a nice second half comeback making a ball game.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
They're in a field goal range.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
It looked like to me with a chance to maybe
tie the game, send it to overtime, and then they
have a coach barely barely Matt Iberflus. And I'm gonna
say this, the only thing harder than saying his last
name is watching this guy coach down the stretch like seriously.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Are you like like this is not second?

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Did he take the time out home with them Martin
that he didn't utilize? Like the announcers are yelling at him,
the guys on the radio, fans Twitter, like what are
you doing?

Speaker 5 (05:58):
If you can clip it, you should play the bit
the very last bit of Dan Miller from Dan Miller
called from the Lions Radio Network. He says it in
the moment he's like, what are the Bears doing? That
is the Lions Radio broadcast saying what are the Bears doing?
And you could hear it also jim nance you know
what I mean? Jim Nantz is talking about like it

(06:20):
was so obvious and did we get did ebra Flus
give some lame excuse?

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Do we have sound?

Speaker 5 (06:26):
From him trying to explain it because I just saw
a story, but I didn't know if we have sound?

Speaker 2 (06:31):
What were you just as they tried to find this?
What were you thinking? You know?

Speaker 3 (06:36):
At this point, because I've seen more than just ebra flues.
But he's a bad coach. But I've seen coaches botch
running the end of the game, like time clock management,
when the call timeouts, stuff like that. It's amazing that
these guys are pro NFL coaches and they don't know
how to run the clock.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
This game ended perfectly for the Chicago Bears. If you're
Chicago Bears.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Fan, you should be sitting around your table right now saying,
thank goodness, this is the way this ended. You just
went up against the best team in the NFL, right arguably? No, Well,
I'm not going to argue they're the best team.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
You like the Ravens, Yes, I still like the Ravens.
I don't care what their record is they played.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
So sports has a short venue, wins and losses until
not it that ain't it?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Feelings over fast? And who you it's who you play against,
who you beat.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
That's well, the Lions are beating everybody they played against
save one team, and that they beat the Bears today.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
So they go out there. Sixteen is a reporter? What
are you doing today? You're a fan or a reporter.
I'm not a Lions fan, all right, I just.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Want to make sure I know Chris is. Just want
to see where you are ahead. I'm not a Lions fan.
I just covered the team. Okay, So sixteen nothing at halftime?
What happens? Kayleb william comes out second half, looks good,
all right? Take some bad sacks with three.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
Touches down, passes, no interceptions, moves the ball down, get
you in a chance to win. So you have good
feelings about your rookie quarterback after that performance, Like everything
is not going to be smooth sailing as we've seen
so far. Definitely throughout Kayleb Williams a short NFL career
and all the NFL rookies short NFL career, it is
not just going to be a linear progression.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Everything improves.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
You could take good feelings from Kayler Williams' performance today. Also,
Matt Eberflus completely blowing the end of this game ensures
you just that much closer that you will not have
to deal with Matt Eberflus going forward next season. Matt
Eberflus look he apologized to his wife, saying, look, Babe,
I'm sorry I miss Thanksgiving, but said I promise I'll

(08:42):
be home for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
That's what that type of coaching is like.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
When you do that on the national stage, first game
Thanksgiving Day, everyone in America is watching this. Grandma is
watching this, Your uncle, who never watches football ever, is
watching this, like, oh.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I heard the Lions are pretty glog this year. Huh?
Is that so? And that's how all of this is
right here.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
So right before that Thanksgiving dinner, Chicago Bears fans got
everything they wanted. A good second half performance out of
their rookie quarterback and a terrible second half performance, really
whole game performance out of your head coach, both of them.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
That's good going forward.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
I think that you're if you think that this is
the nail, this is probably the last straw. But he
was fired already. There's no way he was returning. He
was returning even if they would have won this game
or whatever. I mean, it's been so bad there.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
I think that they're going to make a change, and
they had already decided that they're not going to pull
the plug, like a lot of teams don't pull the plug.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
During the season.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
But I don't think that even had they won, that
that would have saved his job or people thought.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Not that This could have been a stepping stone on
the way because right, Kayleb Williams, like I said, play,
but I'm saying I couldn't have saved his job.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I got you. But here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
What if Kayleb Williams parlays that second half into a
whole full game next game, and all of a sudden
he gets on a heater.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
I'll allow Jayden Daniels in the beginning of the year.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Now, all of a sudden, the Bears finished down the
stretch something like five to one, four and two. Now
you would have people arguing, maybe he should stay with this.
No one will argue, yeah, I don't know, because you're
you're next week is another game.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Okay, So they could have won.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
I mean, say, if they if they get hot and
keep winning, But all of a sudden it becomes wait,
maybe we should give he's a bad coach.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
And I think everybody knows that this is not if
you followed anything in Chicago, they've been banging the drum
forever that ebra flute should be fired.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
Well that's because they don't. I mean, no one thinks
he's gonna run off six in a row. But if
in fact he did, I just don't think that people
think he's a good coach.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
And this just if anything, You're right, It just solidified
the idea maybe everybody else around NFL America saw for themselves.
But for me to believe that the Bears are bringing
this guy back, I would be I would be flyer Gas.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Of course they won't.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
Because of the way the games like this ended the way.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
But this is not the only game.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Though, is that they've had other games at the end,
is what I'm saying to you. And my point is
that if in fact some of these games were managed
better down the stretch, or in fact Caleb Williams had
been better in the first half of this game or
something like that, you might have won this game in
spite of Matt Eberflus. That would have been a problem.
And this in Chicago, and I get every usual national

(11:22):
media pund this angle the Bears, We're gonna win the
Super Bowl, all of this. The expectations have to be
adjusted back to what reality there was. People Nick Wright
said it on first things first, there were people picking
them to go to the right. There's no way that
you went from that to where they are now that
you're gonna hold onto your judt you have to understand
and you have to adjust your circumstances and your reality

(11:44):
back to actual reality, not made up forrest Land where
we received this number one prospect for years and years
or two years straight to come out then and then
take the NFL by storm.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
But it let's what if he does? Then?

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Losses like this will keep that firing, to keep the idea,
we have to move on from this guy going like this,
the block kick. Losses like this, you keep losing them
at the buzzer because you could be losing games at
the buzzer and feeling like, man, if we just got
one more thing put together, we got one more thing
put together, and you give a guy a shot. How
many games did Dan Campbell lose before he was on

(12:19):
the hot seat himself when they lost to the Patriots
that game and then all of a sudden turned it on.
Now you don't have to worry about that about ebra
flues because of the way games like this end.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, I just think it would have been really hard
for this guy to hold on to his job, just
from the expectations, just from the what are they lost
six in a row?

Speaker 6 (12:38):
Now?

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Just the way things have played out with this organization,
and obviously this last this was like the last one,
just for everybody to see. They pulled the covers back,
so if you didn't know who Matt Eberflus was, I
think everybody in NFL America got to see and know
who he is now. And then they go, Okay, now
I get it. Now I understand why the Bears have

(12:59):
been bad. They got bad coach. But another just one
of these examples, and he's not the only one. I've
watched plenty of games where I'm just surprised at how
bad some of these coaches are with managing the clock.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
You brought up Dan Campbell. I can remember.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Dan Miller, who does the Lions radio games, doing the
same thing with him a few years ago, a couple
of years ago, you know, screaming call of time out?

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Dan, what are you doing? You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Like these are NFL coaches, It is surprising, but that
was about as ugly as it gets.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Do we have that play? We do have that call.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
At the end, Bears go straight to the line third
and twenty six from the Lion forty one, Williams with
ten seconds to go in the game. Williams with seven
Williams with six takes the snap. This could be the
final play of the game, throws it deep down field.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
It is I games in complete.

Speaker 6 (13:54):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
That's it. That's it.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
What in the world were the Bears game?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's over? Wait?

Speaker 5 (14:04):
Man, you talked about the world of proctice man over.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Oh he's that's it.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
All right, there it is. I heard my man Lois
in the background. Who's gonna lose this job? That's it?
That's crazy, all right?

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Eighty seven, seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. I don't know
the time clock management in the NFL, Matt Eberflus, I mean,
what do you make of it? U?

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Like I said, I think he is gonna get fired.
Was gonna get fired even coming into this game. But
my god, you finally got to see it up front.
And have you ever seen game end like this where
coach is taking a timeout home? What are you taking
a timeout home? I don't know how this could even happen.
But your thoughts on this game, the ending of the game. Uh,

(14:53):
Caleb Williams, if you have any thoughts on him as well?
Played well in the second half. Three touchdowns the game.
They look like they're gonna get blown out in the
first half. That didn't happen. Eight seven, seven ninety nine
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Speaker 3 (15:34):
Mary, that's a good one for TV. Themesong Thursday. Here
on The Odd Couple on a Thanksgiving Night, Hope you
had a great time with your family and a good meal.
There's nothing like a family kind of setting like Thanksgiving.
We're coming to you live from the tire rech dot
com studios. Rob Parker and Martin Wise filling in for

(15:58):
Kelvin Washington. I'll tell you Phone number eight seven seven
ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven nine nine six
sixty three sixty nine talking about Matt Eberflus, hard to say,
easy to get rid of, and it wasn't just today
but it was just a ton of mistakes and just

(16:21):
the Bears are a mess, and uh, you can't imagine
that this is going to continue. But we want to
hear from you. What'd you make of the ending of
that game? And Matt Eberflus.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Drew in New Jersey, you're on the a couple of
Fox Sports radio.

Speaker 8 (16:34):
Hey, I would go ahead and I would look for
Happy Thanksgiving, Drew, Sorry, Happy Thanksgiving. I would look at
the Lions OC and I'd try to pry him right away.
You're bending close at the end of the season, so yep,
I would try to go ahead, go at him. I

(16:56):
would definitely not go after a defensive coordinator, especially if
you have a young quarterback, right you want to kind
of build him up first. I believe that your first
coach should be, you know, an OC if you have
a young quarterback, and then obviously if you don't get
over the top an established defensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Drew, how long you been watching football? Like? How do you?

Speaker 8 (17:19):
I am? Twenty nine?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Okay is it? I've been covering the NFL's in nineteen
eighty seven.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
It's so surprising on how many coaches watch clock management
and the games.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I mean this was heinous, but I've seen this. How
surprised are you.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
When you watch football sometimes that these guys just don't
get it right or don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 8 (17:47):
I mean, a lot of these guys are are coaches
or head coaches for the first time. I think even
Andy Reid was notorious for bad clock management with the Eagles.
I think is over time, you know, you grow and
you can overcomm it. But right now, as you know,
I was like a head coach, you're literally right under scrutiny,

(18:09):
especially on a Thanksgiving game. So it's kind of hard
to really give a coach room to grow when you know,
we expect quarterbacks to grow. I don't think a lot
of times we don't. We don't think coaches. We don't
get coaches that same assumption that they're going.

Speaker 9 (18:26):
To grow too.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I agree. I agree.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
It's it's thanksful to call, appreciate it, Happy Thanksgiving to
you and your family. Drew eight seven seven ninety nine
on Fox because that was I remember watching Nathaniel Hackett
his first week, you remember, and it was pretty obvious, like, wow,
remember they hired I like an assistant coach to do
clock management.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
For week two?

Speaker 5 (18:48):
For week two, and he was the head coach of
the Denver Broncos and it burned and crashed after one week. See,
this is a lot of the reason why I don't
like play call head coaches. So I feel like those
are two separate jobs, and the best head coaches in
the NFL, the ones of the longest time tenured coaching,
they're not necessarily doing both of them.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Let's go to Billy and Florida. You're on the couple
on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 9 (19:15):
Happy, thanks you, Happy Thanksgiving, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Thanksgiving, Billy, Yes, thank you, my man appreciated. You know,
I'm here for those your entertainment dollars, so I'm glad
that you're here with us as well.

Speaker 9 (19:28):
That's right, baby, it's funny. Man Like, I'm definitely in
the minority, o I guess the majority at this point.
After that game, he's got to be on the way
out the door. I mean, this team was four and
two at week six with a bye week. Guys, like,
they went into a bye week and two three straight wins.
They were on the top of the mountain cable. Williams

(19:49):
was looked at as a top prospect again, and they've
lost sixth streets and not to mention when we look
at head coaches in the records on how they're capable
to be in that job. The team is own six
against teams with a winning record this year and three
straight losses now by one score or less. Guys, that
is a disaster for coaching, and today was a good

(20:09):
prospect of that and a good example of that. I
don't know how with a rookie quarterback you mismanaged clock.
That should be one of the main priorities going in
the two minute drills when you have a guy who's
never been on the NFL fields before this season.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
And here's the other thing, Billy, what are you gonna
do with the timeout? Are you gonna use that as
a biscuit with your Thanksgiving meal? Like I don't understand, Like,
how do you go home with the timeout?

Speaker 9 (20:35):
No, it's rob The crazy thing about that too, man,
is like, not only do they have the timeout, like
we're forgetting too. They were at the twenty five yard
line with a free pass interference call and they lost
sixteen yards right where that even happened, Like that was
atrocious besides the timeout.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yep, I mean, And the other thing, just about ever
reflecces Billy and appreciate it. It's bad all around. He's
only been coaching now for I think three years. In
the three years he has fired eight assistants. Well, but
one of those assistants was investigated by the FBI.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Well, but that's what I was saying, is like, this
is not a this year thing. It's been bad for him.
People thought he was going to be fired last year.
But then they get the first pick right and so.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
Well, and the other thing is too they finished decent
down the stretch.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
They were competing down on the stretch. And that's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
It's good to lose a game like this in this
way because you could beat down the stretch again.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Ownership might make the same wrong decisions.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, I just think he has such a resume of badness.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
If the bear, it would have been shocking. And sometimes
you gotta be careful because it is fool's goal. As
you talked about at.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
The end eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox, if
you want to jump in, all right, well, let's let's
do this.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Let's get you.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Caught up on the other action going on, because there
was another bad football game.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I shouldn't say another bad one.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
But a bad football game with two teams no star quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
But I got another bad football team.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, let's get you caught up and usc Chris, are you?
Is it okay if I call you that, Chris? Yeah,
you can call me that. Okay, it's all good. That's
what I always call you. I apologize, but.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
It's Christopher Fett, but you know it's I know you
are law today for the professor.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yes, I just I always called you. All right, teach
uh he is at the anchor desk. What's trending?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
All right?

Speaker 7 (22:26):
Let's first start with that game, twenty seven to thirteen.
New York Giants just added a field goal. But so
far in this game, Cooper rush eighteen of thirty one,
one hundred and ninety yards and one touchdown as the
Cowboys are still holding the the New York Giants to
a two score game. Meanwhile, final seconds going on right

(22:46):
now in the Battle for Atlantis fourteen seconds ago, Oklahoma
up eighty to seventy seven on number twenty four. Arizona
watching that as it comes down to the wire there.
But let's go back to the earlier Thanksgiving game for
two touchdowns. The serving was up by Sam Laporta.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
If Golf takes the snap, fakes the pitch, throws touch
down Detroit Lions, Sam Laporta second of the day, What
a point, what a play?

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Just thinking run and goff made him look at Gibbs.

Speaker 7 (23:17):
Bake the toss ninety seven points, won the ticket on
the call there And as we've been talking about for
this past hour, a half hour later in that game,
Bears driving down the field down three points looking to score,
defensive pass interference, giving a bunch of new downs, and
then somehow running out of time at the end of
the game with one timeout to spare as the U

(23:39):
as the great Mike Valenti of Detroit you would know him,
Rob would say, the timeouts are not like cell phone minutes.
They don't carry over. So the Bears end up running
out of time, losing the game twenty three to twenty.
The Detroit Lions improved to eleven and one on the season.

(24:00):
Do we bill end up defeating West Virginia in overtime
seventy nine to seventy in Maui, And that's a day
after they had just beaten number fourteen Indiana. Still problems
for the Hoosiers as today they lost to Gonzaga eighty
nine seventy three, and with eight seconds to go, Oklahoma
is up eighty two over number twenty four Arizona.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Final seconds are coming up here.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
It looks like Oklahoma is going to take down number
twenty four Arizona.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Guys. Back to you all right, Chris, appreciate it. It
is the odd couple on a Thanksgiving night. Rob Parker,
Martin Weiss in for Kelvin Washington eight seven, seven ninety
nine on Fox. We're coming to you live from the
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song Thursday as well.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
More calls on that debacle.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
That we watched earlier, Lions hosting the Bears.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Martin, we got Chad in Cincinnati. You're on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Chad, Happy Thanksgiving, Happy taking Mary aog, Happy Tas.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
How are you? How'd your son? Everybody good?

Speaker 6 (25:04):
Hey Taylor? Happy Thanksgiving?

Speaker 8 (25:05):
Uncle Runawa?

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Hey, what's up? Thank you?

Speaker 3 (25:12):
That's how I remember when he was born. Now he's talking,
it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
Yes, yes, So I just wanted to weigh in real
quick from Cincinnati from the five to one three. I'm
not sure why Matt Ebrifus was hired in the first place,
I think they need to give Jim Carwell a call
because he's more qualified to develop a high level quarterback
like Williams.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
And you know what that's that's the shame of what
happened to Jim Callwell for real, even when he was,
you know, jettison out of Detroit, that he never got
another opportunity. Remember he had that what were they fifteen
and won the Colts? Remember that season and they went to.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
The Super Bowl. They lost, was meant to fourteen and two?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
But uh yeah, I always thought that he should have
gotten another job. I don't know how old he is
now and whether or not that he's still out there.
Is he's seventy years old, yep. Yeah, I don't know
if there's another job out there now. But I'm with
you on that, Chad.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
That he was a guy that should have easily been
still a head coach in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
And then the last point I'm ibat Fluis is another
Marty Morning with another Bobby Patrino. I mean, he's just coordinator, honestly,
And it's a shame that the first year Taylor Wids
in the NFL was mismanaged by the Bears. So he

(26:34):
really deserves a do over. Honestly, I wouldn't put this
year on him if they don't finish with the winning record.
But y'all have a happy Thanksgiving love y'all.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
You two Chad appreciate it. Yeah, this is not on
and you talked about it earlier, Martin. He looked good
in the second half, and that's what you want to see.
You want to see your quarterback. He's had his moments
and has had.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
A stretch after a first half like they had to
be able to come back rebound, yeah, and then throw.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
They had nothing, They had no possessions. At one point,
the Lions had what was it eighteen tors downs to two.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I had more points than they had first down Yeah
it was. It was something like eighteen to two as
far as first downs.

Speaker 5 (27:14):
But let's switch over to the game that currently, unfortunately
still has eleven minutes to go in the fourth quarter.
Cowboys twenty seven, New York Football Giants thirteen.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
What did the Giants go from here? Well, ultimate we
were just talking about this.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
I think the decision to start Drew, decisions to to
start Tommy DeVito last week shows me that this is
an organization that has lost all faith in their GM,
and I don't know if necessarily head coach, but definitely
all faith in their GM. I tend to think that
Brian dave Ball is a decent coach, and I think
if he was in a good situation with the roster

(27:55):
around him, that they he could be successful.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Do you know what I'm gonna tell you this.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
He was supposed to be the quarterback whisperer and that
was the whole thing with the Daniel Jones could whisper,
you could you signed language, you could do whatever you want.
Daniel Jones just never had it. But I'm with you,
and I don't understand if Brian day Ball was there.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
And this is why I put some onus on him.
He's the head coach when the GM decided that this
is the guy that they're going with. And I get
the one year Martin, the one year they beat the
Minnesota Vikings, I think had the worst defense that year.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
He beat them in that playoff game. That year, he
had fifteen touchdowns in seventeen games, and they thought it
was a coming out party and that he had arrived
because they beat the bad defense of the Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
You know, you know what I'm saying and right now
due day ball.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
When they lost the confidence in the general manager, the talent,
in the talent around him, right and his talent evaluating
abilities Drew Locke, they paid more. Drew Lockes were the
higher paid backups in the NFL. He they they he
went to New York thinking that he was gonna have
an opportunity to compete for the starting job. Then Daniel

(29:06):
Jones gets benched because the owner says, listen, I am
not paying Daniel Jones guaranteed money on this contract if
in fact he gets hurt, I'm not doing it. You
sign it to this terrible contract. You told me it
was gonna be okay. You let say Kwon Barkley walk.
You told me it was gonna be okay. And you
know how we know that is.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Because it was all on TV. It was all on TEA.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
This is the first time in the history of the
NFL that we saw a general manager completely and totally
just lose negotiation wise and talent acquisition wise in an offseason.
We saw, we saw the conversation he had with and
it was all on TV.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
So I think John moraw real quick. I think we
end up John m ended up doing it.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
I'm taking back control of this start, Tommy DeVito, this
is what we're gonna do. I don't give a damn
You paid Drew Lock five million dollars to be the backup.
This is how it's gonna go because I'm taking the
reins back over.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
And I think, yeah, and I think that Tommy DeVito,
he's a local celeb, a local he had, you know,
had a nice little stretch with the Giants.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Trying to be trying to matter that fifteen minutes, right,
that's why, that's why they.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
And trying to make and trying to make the Giants
so that as bad as they were, that maybe this
the local key comes back and as you know, for
the end of the year, has a couple of games
and you don't feel as bad about the organization.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
And as bad as where it is.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
But I'm with you, but I'm saying unless I really know,
and the new general manager, you know, might want his
own coach. Brian day Ball had a great reputation coming in.
It's been bad and and we could just sit here
and just say it's all Daniel Jones. But that's why
Brian day Ball was bought here as well. And and
he hasn't lived up to his expectations.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
It's not nearly all Daniel Jones.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
No, just I think when you look at this roster construction,
like they went to upgrade the offensive line last this
is this off season and bought essentially signed two guys
from the Raiders offensive line last year. How good would
the Raiders offensive line last year? I don't know this
cycle through what four different starting quarterbacks? Right, So that's
your big free agent offensive line acquisition is the two
guys who started over there, right, They've drafted receiver after

(31:11):
receiver after receiver. None of them stick in the way
that Malik Neighbors has stuck. So far, none of them
have looked like that, says Odell Beckham, since they're in
their early time with the Giants. Defense is okay, But
I mean Kevon Thibodeau is here or there, like Dexter
Lawrence is the only truly elite player to.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Me on that roster.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
And that's why I think if Dyn Daveall got fired,
he would be like on the Arthur Smith immediately offensive
coordinator somewhere and get a second shot.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
No, he might get a.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
I'm not saying like he's totally out of the realm
of coaching again, but sometimes with just the way it was.
And at one point with day Ball and the Giants
and Daniel Jones, what would they average it? He hadn't
thrown a touchdown Martin since like last the previous year
at home and uh and they had averaging seven point

(31:59):
eight points at home an NFL team.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
His stats and the eye test showed after a while
that he's just not going to be able to do
this at a high level right after a while.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
He's just honestly, he's the first. This is true.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
Honestly, Daniel Jones was the first professional athlete I ever
felt bad for.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Well, they gave him a pathetic I'm a sympathy toward
all these people. Why do you feel bad for him
because he can't play?

Speaker 5 (32:25):
Because because because, seriously, I really do Why because he
should have been a backup quarterback from the beginning. He
was never, ever, ever the sixth best player in that class.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
He should have never been drafted that.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
You know what's crazy is that we you know, me
and Chris when we're doing the show together, we had
Greg jennings On was one of our NFL guys.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Greg g you noticed fame, I mean he had a few.
I'm not saying.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
Greg Jennings said he was the top ten quarterback and
Chris and I lost it seriously because Greg Greg Jenny's.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Played in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
He caught ball from Aaron Rodgers at his prime, you
know what I mean. And I was so prize at
how many people were like thinking that Daniel Jones.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
So it wasn't just the job.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
There was some other people, and I thought he was good,
especially especially I think when you look at guys who
are quote unquote football people, right, guys who played in
the league we evaluate quarterbacks. Daniel Jones has tools, right,
he has tools. He's quick, he can run, he's got
a decent arm, he's got tools. But he doesn't have
not nearly like when we saw the Caleb Williams in

(33:27):
the second half today, we will never ever see from
Daniel Jones.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I agree. Ever, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
He has some tools here, so you can close your
eyes and be like, hey, he's accurate here, but even
god time, it sets up. But that's just not the
reality of what the NFL is. But don't you also
think even when he got off and had those moments,
Sa Kwan being there was a big part of what
opened up for him. No, of course it is because

(33:56):
he's a right Daniel Jones very much. It's like Will Levis,
our starting quarterback, our backup quarterbacks masquerading at starting quarterbacks.
So like, of course Daniel Jones needs a running game
and wide receivers and somebody else are gonna because it's
the backup quarterback.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Right now.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
You saw he went from he went from the Giants
cutting him to not only having.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Cole mean obviously clear wherever's nobody wants to pay that,
but he's only getting one hundred thousand dollars from the Viking.
But he had his choice of where to go. Think
about that if you like, that's how shows you and
think about where it was.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
It was the guys who are the offensive guys, the
quarterback guys. It was San Francisco, Minnesota, because Baltimore. But
these are guys who like look into and like see
quarterbacks and say I can work with this, I can
make something happen. Yeah, but a lot of people it
wasn't like Pittsburgh, for example, said I can turn you
into a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
No, never want to. Rusting and justin Field situation. All right.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
It is the odd couple on a TV theme song
Thursday here on Thanksgiving Night, Rob Parker, Martin Weiss in
for Kelvin Washington coming up next.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Just some thoughts we got Shekel City. I'm on a
hot streak. Can I say that I'm on a hot streak?

Speaker 5 (35:08):
I am on a hot streak, Martin Weiss He's rolling
his eyes.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
But don't look. Don't win. That's all. That's a one
way thing.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Don't look now. But Shekel City is scorching white hot.
That plus some Thanksgiving memories. I just have a few
I want to share Martin. Hopefully you have a few
to share. Chris Patrick, Mary, If you have a few,
we could just talk about Thanksgiving, what it means to
you and whatnot. We'll do that and much more. It

(35:38):
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Speaker 5 (35:41):
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Speaker 3 (35:59):
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Speaker 3 (36:20):
The way tire buying should be. Guess what it's time for?
Shekel City. All right, here we go, Martin. I was
three and oh last night. My total is now seventy eight.
Seventy two and two. Man would have comeback. I was
down big time, and I've been running off games. I
have now won that with six in a row coming
into today today the best bet I had the Cowboys

(36:42):
minus three and a half. That looks pretty good, right,
leading the Giants by fourteen with less than five minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
About the punt right now, we'll see how it ends.
Be quiet. I got this Wines recovering until they weren't no.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
And I had the Bears plus ten, Bears plus ten.
I felt good about that all the way. I figured
the Lines would win. When it was sixteen nothing.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I'm sure people were like, oh, this is gonna be
a thirty nothing blowout, thirty two nothing or whatever. So
I won that game as well, and then tonight I
took the Packers, just the one. I hesitated a little bit,
but I took the Packers minus three and a half
at home against the Dolphins. I like the way the
Dolphins are playing in tour, but I still took the Packers.
So Packers minus three and a half.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
I got it right with the Bears plus ten, and
of course the Cowboys minus three and a half. And remember,
Martin Wise, I'm not telling you who to bet on.
I'm telling you who I bet on.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
And you know these were all posted on social media
before the games started.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
All right, Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
When I think of Thanksgiving, Martin, I just wanna get
a quick little take from you and Chris usc Chris
and some of the other people if we have time.
But my mom was a great baker, and they they
used to call her.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Betty Crocker because she was such a great baker.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
And she used to bake not only sweet potato pies
for our family before everybody, like at church in the neighborhood,
like people would be coming by my mom, like it
was like a.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Business for her, like a side hustle, side business.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
And she once burnt out our stove you know what
I mean, from baking so many pies or whatever, and
the smell of sweet potato pie in the house is
the memory I have with my mom a Thanksgiving on
how good her sweet potato pie. And then my niece today, Brandy,
who's in her thirties, she sent me a picture of

(38:31):
two sweet potato pies that she made.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
She used to watch my mom bake.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
My mom's deceased used to watch my mom bake and whatnot,
and picked up.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
The sweet potato pie. So that's my Thanksgiving memory of
my mom.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
That's awesome, man.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
I'd say I'm thankful that the Lions are good because
I know a ton of people who have spent a
lot of time covering these teams, and we used to
do the same. Like I spent most of everything's giving
between college and moving out of here watching the Lions play.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
And it was a big spread at the radio station.
So I'm glad that they're good because it was that
much worse watching them suck.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, a lot of people wanted the Lions going, Hey,
USC Chris, you got a special shout out.

Speaker 7 (39:09):
Yeah, if I can just do this real quick. My
aunt Ali, who's only more of an older cousin than me.
She's only like ten years older than me. She's been
trying to keep the family together. You know, cousins of
this age, we all kind of drift apart. But she's
going through masectomy this Monday. I just want to shout out.
I'm thankful for her. She's been going through a lot,
but she means the world to me.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
So you know, love it, loving prayers, absolutely appreciate it.
All right, our number two of the Odd Couple, and we're.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
Gonna talk about Lebron Lebron and MJ Weird. It's ugly
head last night on TNT with Charles Bark. You want
to talk about that as we continue, it is the
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