November 29, 2024 • 31 mins
Rob Parker & Martin Weiss debate over the Chiefs current record and wonder how good they really are. Plus, the guys talk about Caleb Williams and why they think he may be better then he's played.
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What's going on? All good? Our a lot of stuff
to talk about.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Obviously we have Black Friday football Kansas City Chiefs, but
first we'll get to that. But first let's welcome in
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Patrick, Hello, Ra, how are you? I'm doing good? It's
Black Friday. Row That's right? You know what, Patrick, what's
that wrong? In my life?
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Every Friday's Black Friday.
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It wouldn't be a Black Friday without it. He wouldn't.
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And you know what, And shout out to Jonas for
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I saw that on no doubt about it. All right,
Steve de Seger's at the anchor desk. He'll keep us
updated throughout the program. Steve had a nice Thanksgiving, he said,
after a rare Thanksgiving off at least since I've been
working at this place. Not too many Steve right in
the last eight years. I know, I can't remember, but
he had a little respite. He's back and on the
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ones in two. All right, let's start with the football
game that just ended not too long ago, and the
Kansas City Chiefs moved to eleven and one with a
nineteen seventeen squeaker over the pathetic Las Vegas Raiders. This
was in Kansas City. And I'm gonna go on the record.
I know you Chief fans. Chiefs fans are excited your
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team as eleven and one, they posted the playoff, but
they made the playoffs again ten straight years. Celebrate all
you want, but I got a message for Chiefs fans
all over NFL America. They are the worst eleven and
one football team I've seen. My God, how lucky can
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you get? It's just on and on and on. This
season nine one score games. Every game is a struggle.
The Raiders that lost seven straight coming in they go
on the road and have actually a chance to beat
the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
They can't cover. Like people are like, oh, what were
they the spread ten and a half? What was it
eleven and a half? The spread? Yeah, double digits. They
can't cover that.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I even saw something on one of the sites saying,
will the Chiefs be finally be able to cover?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
No, they don't cover.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
But I cannot get over how many games and where
teams just make bad decisions, turn the ball over, have
a field goal block, whatever it takes. It's like, it's
unbelievable when you take a look at this team. This
team reminds me of a few years back when the
Stealers started out. I think they were ten and one
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and they were the worst ten and one team I saw,
or nine to one or whatever with something like that,
and I just kept saying, I just can't get it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
The Chiefs should be five.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Six and six or five and seven, I mean easily
in the red zone. They can't score. How do they
have Patrick Mahomes and they can't score in the red zone.
Five trips to the red zone, four field goals and
one touchdown.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That's Patrick Mahomes. Not the same guy I remember.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I cannot get over how bad they are in the
red zone, like one of the worst teams all year.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
But there they are eleven and one.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Feel good if you want breathing, like, yeah, three pt
we're doing it. We're so good. This ain't gonna play
when you play the big boys when it really matters.
They gotta play better their defense. What has happened to
the defense? That's what's been carrying them before today they
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gave up one twenty seven points to a bad Panthers
team and thirty points before that. This team they keep
winning as a mirage. They're not the same team that
they were a couple of years, even last year with
their defense played better. The defense isn't playing well and
Patrick Mahomes continues to struggle.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
I mean sure, but they also won the game, so
you know that's the number one thing. Their record, their
top the AFC. They'll be the one seed. So all
of this it's luck.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You know.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
It's not like the Chiefs didn't block two field goals
on the way to this win streak, right. They blocked
the field goal today, blocked a potential game winning field
goal in Denver, and then fell on a fumble today
that would have ended up. If they had allowed Vegas
to recover, they would have gotten off another field goal.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So I mean, I.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Sure they're lucky, it's this, just that, but the other
team has something to do with it. And the fact
that Kansas City is forcing turnovers, I don't don't think
that's happenstance. I don't think that's luck. And I mean,
you can't to me say that they're the worst eleven
and one team that we've seen, when the Steelers just
from a few years ago exist. And plus I know
that Vikings team they had lost two games in the
first twelve, but that team that lost to New York,
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that lost to Daniel Jones and the New York Giants
in the first run of to play, that team was
worse than this team. But ultimately, the Kansas City Chiefs
are the pre eminent favorite out of the AFC and
deserve to be.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And that's the reason, and the reason why is because
they win games like this.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
They don't lose to the Raiders, they don't lose to
the Broncos, they don't lose these.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Game type of games. Yeah, I disagree. I think it's
a that the other teams melt down and it happens.
That's why tom Brady's the low. Tom Brady's been in
so many situations to me where he shouldn't even have opportunities,
but teams for whatever reason. You're Kyle Shanahan, You're in
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field goal range in the Super Bowl, and what.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Do you do? You pass the ball.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
It doesn't even make It's not even logical football, since
you don't have to be a football coach. First and
ten at the twenty two, all you need to do
is run the ball three straight times, kick a field goal.
You're up by eleven, and tom Brady can't beat you
in that Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
What do they do holding a sack? You're out of
field goal range? Dumb? It's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I keep seeing the same thing when tom Brady then
beat the Panthers. Their kicker on a kickoff kicks the
ball out of back. Who kicks the ball out of
bounds in a Super Bowl? But just mind boggling over
and over. And now we see the same things with
the Chiefs and they get every call too, So those
things happen. But I can't believe that Patrick Mahomes who
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started his career like a house on fire, and I
get injuries and all that, but I is shocking on
how bad this has come down to it when it
comes to their offense and now where their defense is.
Their defense last year won them that Super Bowl, and
I'll give them all the credit.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
In the world, but you can't keep on a shoe string.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
This will be the one where the finally you'll wind
up losing because everybody's not going to give you a break.
Someone is finally going to do it, and it might
be just in a playoffs when it when it happens,
and then you'll go back and go, you know what, Yeah,
we saw it all year.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah we saw it all year.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
They struggled all year in the red zone and finally
nothing goes their way and they wind up losing. And
that's how it's gonna end for them. I believe that's
how their season will end. All the stuff that we've
seen all year will finally cut catch up to them.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Maybe not now, but when it matters most.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I mean, sure it very well made, but at this
moment right now, that the best team in the AFC,
and there's not really much debate on that. When you
I don't go by records, I don't go by records
that records do not mean you're the best team.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So what exactly is the short menu for sports?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
No, I'm talking about when I it's the it's the
eye test of looking at teams. I don't think they're
the best team in the AFC or the NFL.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
I didn't say the NFL. I said the AFC. But
when you look at it, to me, it's just to
me plainly.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Right, they're not better than the Lions. I should this.
They've won two Super Bowls in the last two years.
They're not better in the Lion.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Because the Lions are the only team in the NFL
that can withstand their quarterback playing a bad game and
still win.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
So so you're based on that. They don't have the
hit last year. I'm not talking anything about LA. What
I'm talking about when people give the Chiefs a pass
is because of their past. Is that not true? I'm
not giving the Chiefs to pass on anything. Most people
will give you the whole idea. Like even at at
one point this year, Patrick Mahomes was in the MVP race.
(10:29):
How on what stats? What stats would you have to
be in the MVP race? But that's because people always
mix in uh, like it's a lifetime achievement.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
A betting market and who's actually going to win the
MVP is two drastically different things.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I agree with that they're not always correless. I didn't
say that. There are people who still thought.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Patrick mahoons, I'm not theirs, I'm not them so, but
the virality of it is when you look at this
team offensively, sure, are they as explosive as they've been
in the past. No, but they're right there in the
top fifteen in total office, They're right.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Their offense is completely good.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
On the red zone, sixteenth in the league, they're like
near the bottom.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, they're not.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
They're better than the Eagles in the red zone. They're
better than the I had it right here, They're not.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
That's just not true. There. They're the fifteenth or sixteenth
best team.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
And where exactly you've got that exactly if you give
me a second.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
But they're the fifteenth or sixteenth best team in the
red zone.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
They're the best team in the NFL on third down,
and even in the game today in which they only
scored nineteen points seven for sixteen on third down, they
continue to possess the ball.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Where were they? How many in the red zone today?
How many touchdowns did they get?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I think they only scored two touchdowns the whole game.
The Reds master one touchdown the whole game. The restless
field goals.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
But that also works out because they have excellent special teams.
They've blocked two field goal kicks in games in which
they won by three points. I don't think that's all
happenstance are as you said earlier, you don't take vote
for whatever reason. I think the other reason these teams
struggle is because of the team they're playing against. You know,
it's a little thing like defense. But the other thing
is too teams melt down in the NFL all the time.
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The Packers last night tried their best to melt down
against the against the Dolphins. The Dolphins weren't good enough
to overcome them, to overtake them. That's the difference. You
want to talk about. Why the Chiefs seemingly always on
the right side of these things is because they are
good enough to win.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
They well.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Other teams melt down, or they have a moment where
they melt down, or Patrick Mahomes throws an interception.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's not all, is lost. It's oh, this is one
step back. Let's go ahead and take two steps forward.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. The Kansas City
Chiefs are the worst eleven to one team I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
If Martin says fifty.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Five point eight percent in the red zone, better than
the Eagles, the Seahawks, the Packers, the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Martin said, forty nine Ers, the Seams.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Steelers, all of those teams says they're the best a
team in the AFC.
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Where are you?
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Our number two of the Odd Couple on a Funky
Flashback Friday, A Black Friday at that the day after Thanksgiving, Man,
oh man, you might be out there shopping or you
did some or I guess everybody.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Uh Cyber, do you go to the malls anymore?
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I actually went to the mall on Wednesday, was there
with Tuesday, not realizing that all everything was forty percent
off anyway, right, well, they do they They don't wait
till Black Friday.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Didn't want people if you're in the stores to get
the deals. It was wide open too. I was trying
stuff on. I had like three people waiting on you. Okay,
good time. That was a good time. I like to
go to the mall. I still do.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
It is the Eye couple, Rob Parker, Martin Weiss in
for Kelvin Washington. Coming up in about twenty eight minutes.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It is Sean King.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
We'll be down with the King, the former NFL quarterback
Fox Sports Radio NFL analysts. I don't think he was
a big Caleb Williams guy either, so it'll be interested
to just get his take on it as well. But
mar Caleb Williams I did mention this. He established NFL
rookie records with two hundred and twelve straight passing attempts
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without an interception, and also he also set the record,
not that the Bears record for the most passing touchdowns
by rookie quarterback. They have such a hard history of
developing quarterbacks that you're pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
He might have been able to do it throwing left handed.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Right, He's got fourteen touchdowns, five interceptions, and even during
the streak where they were losing and things weren't you know,
and and to me, there was a couple of things
that I saw that I thought could totally change your perception.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And the Washington game, he drove them down.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Sure, right, they go ahead, Martin, and then what happens? Hell,
married they lose that game?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
What was the other one? The other one was what
they got the field goal blocked?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Who was that against? I just off the top of
my head.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
They had a field goal blocked and they also had
it was it was like right after the city blocked
the field goal in Denver.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And that's why that's the only one I stuck in
my head. But I had a field the.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Game was that It just off the top of my head.
I'm sorry, but that was another one where if that
field goes made you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
They've lost a handful of games on the margin for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Right where you would look totally different at him than
when they had the what they lost six now six
in a row, six in a row.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, when you look at that.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
But he had the one third of the season four two, right,
So even if you go three and three through that stretch,
you're looking at seven and four, And that's an entirely
different scenario, right, and and the and the flip side
is seven and five.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Sorry, uh Daniels in Washington they got oh they got
two wins kind of like that.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Probably they shouldn't have got and if you and it
changes their.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Season if you take the other side of that him
query right, right, So it's it's interesting. But what do
you just your take on Caleb.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I'm sure you want you know, being a USC alum,
did you watch them closely?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
What did you think going in? And what do you
think now?
Speaker 6 (16:34):
I think what's important for a rookie quarterback, especially when
as highly touted as Caleb Williams was, is Okay, what
was he lead at in college?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
How does he do that in the NFL?
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Caleb Williams, what he was e lead at es capability
ability to extend plays, backyard football type of stuff. Now
he's gotten caught in the NFL way more than he
did in college. But he has still shown an ability
to be able to win the play breaks down, to
get lose, make things happen, make moves, and still deliver
accurate balls. That to me is the number one key
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we looked at. Like the media in general, I think
was way over their skis on Kayleb Williams. Myself included,
I had the Bears as a potential playoff team. Didn't
see this out of the vikings. That's that's pretty much
why I had the Bears as a potential playoff team.
I'm not the only one now Nick Wright had them
going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Sure, But the thing that.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
We looked at the Bears roster and talent has said,
this is one of the most talented situations a first
round pick is going into without the knowledge of just
how bad it was in the front office and coaching
staff right and the coaching staff to me is absolutely
dreadful if you happens where they are. If you had
Denver's coaching staff in Chicago, I think Kayleb Williams would
look a whole hell of a lot better. But ultimately,
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as is, if I'm a fan of the Chicago Bears,
I know you have PTSD from all these other quarterback
situations you have. This is the third time you've drafted
a quarterback in the first round and then fired his
head coach before like with before the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But this ain't Mitch Trubisky, and this ain't justin fields.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
You've seen more out of Caleb Williams, even in this
six game losing streak.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Then you start out to either one of those two guys.
You you got the guy in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Now see, I'm with you, and and we we agree
on this. And I'm gonna say I think a lot
of people and and and I don't I don't get
this part. Just didn't like like the the dialogue that
was coming out before he got drafted from his dad
maybe you know what I mean, and and some other
stuff that had nothing to do with football, Like like
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they were trying to downgrade him as a football player
because of the chatter and the noise and this other stuff.
Oh he's a prima donna. Oh he's this, he's that,
And and that's fine, that's fine. You might not like that,
but I'm talking about his talent and I and I
and I agree the knock on him holds the ball
a little bit too long, you know, and there's some
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sacks that he probably has to get better at getting
rid of the ball so he's not sacked in some
of those situations. But I agree, I mean this think
they made over keep Justin Fields.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I mean, really keep Justin Fields over Caleb Williams. There
were some teammates, some players well, I mean and also too.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
It'd be one thing if they were saying it today, right,
it's another thing in tirely with Justin Fields is in
your locker room, and okay, everybody knows you you're gonna
pick Caleb Williams, but you haven't actually picked Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
That it's a little bit. I just say, it's a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
That burd in hand is a lot realer than the
bird in the bush that you're thinking is coming.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I get that.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
But the only thing is they saw him up and
I'm not there's a place for Justin Fields, right, I think, rob,
But I think what it is from the two stops
we've seen him Justin Fields.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I think he's a really really nice guy. And I
don't say that lightly. I don't have fun.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
I think he's a really really nice His teammates speak
glowing his coaches speak glowingly of him.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
They talk about him like like Arthur Smith talks about
him right now to this day. If you ask Arthur
Smith about him, even with the Russell Wilison's success to Pittsburgh,
he'd be like, oh, no, we got two starting quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
This is only one guy's getting all the snaps, right.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
That's I think that's only something that you do if
you actually, like on a personal level, like the guy.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
With Caleb Williams. Somebody, somebody tweeted this.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
I wish I'd give him credit, but this is something
that I read it and it really informed the way
I looked at him for the rest of everything. Caleb
Williams is the first gen Z quarterback. He's the first
quarterback of this generation. Right, Like I'm thirty five, Like
Malimam Millennials, there's an entirely new generation of kids resent
their kids. To me that feel that made me feel
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a little bit older. I was about to say, like
Mary Mack is in that Mary Mack, how.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Old are you?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Twenty three, twenty one, twenty one. There's a gap in
just the way. You don't get me wrong, we can
still communicate. We still could connect and still have a
good working relationship.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Me and Mary, we communicate. All she has to do
is put some white powder in her hair.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
And but you know how big the gap is between
some of the stuff that Mary knows and some of
the stuff that you know, right, and how some of
the way that maybe Mary would act and some of
the way that you would.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
That's the same thing with Caleb Williams some of these
other quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
It's like when you see this guy who's like, he's
not cutting his hair, he's painting his nails, he's wearing
pajama pants.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
That's what they all do.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I know.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But but but and I get that, it's this is
my thing. I totally get that. But it's a bunch
of old you know. But you and me looking at
it like what the what the scout about? But but
I agree, Okay, I see what exactly what you're saying.
But as a scout, you know what I mean, And
some of the got you gotta get on. Like you
sometimes you gotta look at somebody and look at their
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talent to armstad you know what I mean, and and
all that other stuff to devalue someone's talent because they're
wearing pajama.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Pants and painting their nails.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I just can't understand how you could turn in a
scouting report and downgrade his talent for those reasons and
the things.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
That's what I'm about. It is when you look at
listen to any of his postgame comments. Are you listening
to any of his comments in the media from the
four and two start to the Owen sixth slide? To me,
and I hear like way more press conference sound than
I should for my day job. I hear all the time,
like I listened to probably fifteen press conferences.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
A day in portion. How do you stay away?
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Caleb Williams shows a level of maturity to me, That's
whyse beyond his years. Like he doesn't throw anybody under
the bus. He takes all the responsibility and all the like.
Even when Shane Waldron was fired and Thomas Brown came
in and he started playing better, he was just like, you.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Know, the practices are just a little different. It's not
like you. But he didn't.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
He had an opportunity there to go ahead and say, yeah, yeah,
Thomas is really changing the paradigm of everything we do.
Thomas just changing the paradigm of everything we do, it's
now from Shane what Shane Waldron was doing.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And he doesn't do that. He seems to me to
be very mature for a kid who is barely drinking age. Uh, Mary,
what you got? Well now, I was gonna say.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I think though, also for like Caleb in terms of
like being again a gen Z quarter, I think our
work ethic is a lot more different, like we're able
to do the bare minimum but still like keep it
like where Okay, we're getting our work done and like
going above and beyond, but still kind of during the
bare minimum. And I feel like a bunch of the
millennials and the other people in the like NFL team
(23:22):
or whatever, just like huh, that's kind of weird and awkward.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So it kind of makes people want to downplay his
talent as well.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, I just as a scout, I just don't understand,
like if I'm scouting somebody, how I can downplay. And
that's what I heard a lot before the draft and whatnot,
and all these people were saying, he's he's going to
be a big boss.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Who's the guy Dan Kelly this day Jet scout or
whatever we've had him on. But I mean let's be honest,
how far he didn't fall?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Like, no, no, no.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
These conversations existed in part because of the NFL draft
cycle and the way the news runs. Like this year,
there will be all types of people trying to convince
you that Carson Beck didn't lead the nation in interceptions
the whole entire time we watched him, right, Because it'll
just move on and on and on. Remember Will Levis
was supposed to be a top five pick, right and
he second round? He sat there from that is that
(24:09):
because ultimately ended of that he was the number one
overall pick.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Also, when you think about the three uh, let's think
about the three rookie quarterbacks, right, Jayden and Daniels. Who
else we got nicks and bow knicks? Where does he
rank Caleb in that? I think Caleb has the most potential.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I think Caleb like like I think, especially when you're
looking at these guys who have played you know what,
thirteen games total in the NFL, I think Caleb shows
the most potential for growth. I think Drake May has
shown that physically he's able to handle the NFL game.
We'll see what his decision making brings. Jaydon Daniels is
almost the opposite decision making. He's definitely good enough to
(24:49):
play in the NFL at a high level, but he
physically can his body keep up and it seemed like
he's taking a step back. Well, I think, but it
also coincides he missed that he missed most of that
Carolina game with the rib injury. Surprisingly, offense hasn't quite
looked the same, like. I think that has a big
part to do with that. Expect him to start years
big and then slow down.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, definitely like he was supposed to be the offensive
player right rookie, uh, without question.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I think it's in question.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
I think it'll ultimately I think the offensive player of
the year will ultimately be bow Knicks. But it'll very
much be like how Mac Jones was in the running
for offensive Rookie of the Year until the very end
when Jamar Chase overcapt This is just because Mac Jones
had a very high floor.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Same with bo Knicks.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
All right eight seven to seven ninety nine on Fox
eight seven, seven, nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Caleb Williams, has he changed your mind or not? I
mean maybe you were on board from day one. Talk
about Caleb. You like what you're seeing, and mart talked
about it. His ceiling is high and he's doing things
that the rookie record two hundred and twelve pass attempts
(25:54):
without an interception, fourteen touchdowns already. Uh, think about this,
Daniel Jones when he got his big contract as so
many touchdowns he had that.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Year fifteen, fifteen and seventeen games, twenty one total.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Yes, unbelievable. Caleb Williams, your thoughts on him. I think
he's I think he's going to be the start and
a lot of people thought he was going to be.
I really do eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
We saw him in the second half against the Lions.
He looked really good. Caleb Williams, where are you? You're
in or you're out?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
On Caleb, it is the odd couple.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
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Black Friday? You said you went to them all a
couple of days before, but normally do you try to
(27:34):
find deals on Black Friday?
Speaker 6 (27:35):
I mean, I'll click around, I'll perruse, but I'm not
necessarily locked in. I don't have like big expenses that
are I think that's really what the situation would have
to be for me to be locked in on Black Friday.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I'd be like, oh, you know what, my TV happened
to break on Halloween?
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Now wait or something like that for Black Friday to
try to buy, you know, one that's radically discounted. But
I generally have a rule if I won't pay full
price or something I'm not going to buy it just
because it's on sale.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So even if it's on sale, you won't buy it.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Yeah, like unless I was willing to pay full price,
right Like, if it was something that I already wanted
and it was on sale, then I might get it.
But just because it's like, oh, look, this is ninety
eight percent off, you won't buy it. No, Okay, it
has to be something. If I see a good deal.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
On something, like a really good deal, I'll jump on
it because I always feel like like that's how I
get some of the clothes that I have. It'll be
like a six hundred and ninety five dollars jacket and
it's been marked down, reduced to extra twenty five percent off,
and now that jacket is one seventy five.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
But is it a jacket that you would have bought
if it was like at six, I wouldn't have paid
I would have paid six ninety five. But I'm saying,
if you like it enough, would paid If you're the
person would have paid that, Let's say full price was
three hundred, would you have paid that?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
You know?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Okay, that's that's because I'm saying I'm gonna just buy
it if it's ugly because it's on sale, but I'll
look at it and I could say it has fine quality.
And if and if it's marked down and I see it,
I might not have been in the uh and and
you know, trying to buy a jacket in the market
for a jacket, but if I find a really nice
(29:20):
one at a really discounted rate, then I'll buy the jacket.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That's how they get you.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Well. But I mean, if I want to buy you,
I'm gonna need a jacket at some point. See this
is the different.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I associate Black Friday with a line out the door.
It used to be pony people used to go to
jail over that. We used the burials, right, I mean,
like like store.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
They used to do it where they had a handful
of items, like at a store, right, and people would
line up at four o'clock in the morning, and then
they would open the door. People would be trampled on.
And so they stopped that because it had gotten out
of hand. Like a store to get people to come
in would offer four TV sets for fifteen sets, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
What I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Each and so people everybody in their uncle is trying
to get to the electronic department to get one of
the four TV sets that you know what I mean,
cost ninety nine dollars or whatever it.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Is, right, right, that's what's wrong with America. People don't
want to compete.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
But I also think though with like the whole thing
of like online shopping, because you can find better deals
online than in.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
Store, but don't want to into the store though some
right don't you like? Also but with COVID, like nobody
goes to malls, nobody goes see yours shut down, Cole
shut down? Like who goes to Macy's for real?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I mean the mall too. I mean I was at there.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
I saw two people wearing pajama pants and slimsbody, but like,
not a.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Lot of people go to the mall one on as
many malls, that is for sure, exactly, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Patrick, What about you on Black five?
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Well, at first I was gonna be like disagreeing a
little bit with Martin was saying like I'm not gonna
buy it and listen something. But I'm like, oh wait
a minute, like because I don't normally, even if there's
a really good deal on something I would never really buy,
I'm never gonna go get it. I just don't, like,
you know, I spend my money frivolously like that. But
like if it was something that I'm like I kind
of need to find. Let's say I need a pair
of shoes, but it's not exactly the type of shoe,
(31:09):
but it looks really cool. I'm like, you know, I
could use that, and it's like fifty percent off.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I'm gonna get that.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Sure, it's gotta be something that's at least in the wheelhouse.
Is something I either need or want, right and.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
For me, like like doing television, there'll be a sport coat,
Like I'll see like that was fourteen hundred dollars and
it's been marked down, marked down, and an extra twenty
five percent off. And now I'm looking at the sport
coat and now it's one seventy five. That was fourteen hundred.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I'm buying it. I'm gonna buy it. It's because you
have need for it, cause I might not.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I didn't go there for that, but I'm gonna do it,
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All right, welcome in on this Black Friday, A funky
flashback Friday, we should say, as well.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Big show for you on this Friday, Sean King.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
We'll be down with the King in our number two
former NFL quarterback and of course Fox Sports Radio NFL analysts.
So I can't wait to talk to Sean and of
course we'll do the pigskin pickoff. Lamar Mitchell, the bet
MGM Director of Trading, he'll be by and of course
last call as well.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Will you have a.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Chance to jump in in case you can't get in
in the first couple of hours of the program on
topics that you may have wanted to comment on and
couldn't get in. So a lot to do so little time.
Let me welcome in my co host, Martin Wis's Martin,
what's up?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
What's going on? All good? Our a lot of stuff
to talk about.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Obviously we have Black Friday football Kansas City Chiefs, but
first we'll get to that. But first let's welcome in
the Eye Couple crew. We wouldn't be able to do
this fine radio program without him.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Patrick, Hello, Ra, how are you? I'm doing good? It's
Black Friday. Row That's right? You know what, Patrick, what's
that wrong? In my life?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Every Friday's Black Friday.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It wouldn't be a Black Friday without it. He wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
And you know what, And shout out to Jonas for
congratulating and wishing you a happy Black Friday too.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I saw that on no doubt about it. All right,
Steve de Seger's at the anchor desk. He'll keep us
updated throughout the program. Steve had a nice Thanksgiving, he said,
after a rare Thanksgiving off at least since I've been
working at this place. Not too many Steve right in
the last eight years. I know, I can't remember, but
he had a little respite. He's back and on the
(02:59):
ones in two. All right, let's start with the football
game that just ended not too long ago, and the
Kansas City Chiefs moved to eleven and one with a
nineteen seventeen squeaker over the pathetic Las Vegas Raiders. This
was in Kansas City. And I'm gonna go on the record.
I know you Chief fans. Chiefs fans are excited your
(03:20):
team as eleven and one, they posted the playoff, but
they made the playoffs again ten straight years. Celebrate all
you want, but I got a message for Chiefs fans
all over NFL America. They are the worst eleven and
one football team I've seen. My God, how lucky can
(03:44):
you get? It's just on and on and on. This
season nine one score games. Every game is a struggle.
The Raiders that lost seven straight coming in they go
on the road and have actually a chance to beat
the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
They can't cover. Like people are like, oh, what were
they the spread ten and a half? What was it
eleven and a half? The spread? Yeah, double digits. They
can't cover that.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I even saw something on one of the sites saying,
will the Chiefs be finally be able to cover?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
No, they don't cover.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
But I cannot get over how many games and where
teams just make bad decisions, turn the ball over, have
a field goal block, whatever it takes. It's like, it's
unbelievable when you take a look at this team. This
team reminds me of a few years back when the
Stealers started out. I think they were ten and one
(04:41):
and they were the worst ten and one team I saw,
or nine to one or whatever with something like that,
and I just kept saying, I just can't get it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
The Chiefs should be five.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Six and six or five and seven, I mean easily
in the red zone. They can't score. How do they
have Patrick Mahomes and they can't score in the red zone.
Five trips to the red zone, four field goals and
one touchdown.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That's Patrick Mahomes. Not the same guy I remember.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I cannot get over how bad they are in the
red zone, like one of the worst teams all year.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
But there they are eleven and one.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Feel good if you want breathing, like, yeah, three pt
we're doing it. We're so good. This ain't gonna play
when you play the big boys when it really matters.
They gotta play better their defense. What has happened to
the defense? That's what's been carrying them before today they
(05:42):
gave up one twenty seven points to a bad Panthers
team and thirty points before that. This team they keep
winning as a mirage. They're not the same team that
they were a couple of years, even last year with
their defense played better. The defense isn't playing well and
Patrick Mahomes continues to struggle.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
I mean sure, but they also won the game, so
you know that's the number one thing. Their record, their
top the AFC. They'll be the one seed. So all
of this it's luck.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You know.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
It's not like the Chiefs didn't block two field goals
on the way to this win streak, right. They blocked
the field goal today, blocked a potential game winning field
goal in Denver, and then fell on a fumble today
that would have ended up. If they had allowed Vegas
to recover, they would have gotten off another field goal.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So I mean, I.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Sure they're lucky, it's this, just that, but the other
team has something to do with it. And the fact
that Kansas City is forcing turnovers, I don't don't think
that's happenstance. I don't think that's luck. And I mean,
you can't to me say that they're the worst eleven
and one team that we've seen, when the Steelers just
from a few years ago exist. And plus I know
that Vikings team they had lost two games in the
first twelve, but that team that lost to New York,
(06:57):
that lost to Daniel Jones and the New York Giants
in the first run of to play, that team was
worse than this team. But ultimately, the Kansas City Chiefs
are the pre eminent favorite out of the AFC and
deserve to be.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And that's the reason, and the reason why is because
they win games like this.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
They don't lose to the Raiders, they don't lose to
the Broncos, they don't lose these.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Game type of games. Yeah, I disagree. I think it's
a that the other teams melt down and it happens.
That's why tom Brady's the low. Tom Brady's been in
so many situations to me where he shouldn't even have opportunities,
but teams for whatever reason. You're Kyle Shanahan, You're in
(07:36):
field goal range in the Super Bowl, and what.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Do you do? You pass the ball.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
It doesn't even make It's not even logical football, since
you don't have to be a football coach. First and
ten at the twenty two, all you need to do
is run the ball three straight times, kick a field goal.
You're up by eleven, and tom Brady can't beat you
in that Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
What do they do holding a sack? You're out of
field goal range? Dumb? It's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I keep seeing the same thing when tom Brady then
beat the Panthers. Their kicker on a kickoff kicks the
ball out of back. Who kicks the ball out of
bounds in a Super Bowl? But just mind boggling over
and over. And now we see the same things with
the Chiefs and they get every call too, So those
things happen. But I can't believe that Patrick Mahomes who
(08:30):
started his career like a house on fire, and I
get injuries and all that, but I is shocking on
how bad this has come down to it when it
comes to their offense and now where their defense is.
Their defense last year won them that Super Bowl, and
I'll give them all the credit.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
In the world, but you can't keep on a shoe string.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
This will be the one where the finally you'll wind
up losing because everybody's not going to give you a break.
Someone is finally going to do it, and it might
be just in a playoffs when it when it happens,
and then you'll go back and go, you know what, Yeah,
we saw it all year.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah we saw it all year.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
They struggled all year in the red zone and finally
nothing goes their way and they wind up losing. And
that's how it's gonna end for them. I believe that's
how their season will end. All the stuff that we've
seen all year will finally cut catch up to them.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Maybe not now, but when it matters most.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I mean, sure it very well made, but at this
moment right now, that the best team in the AFC,
and there's not really much debate on that. When you
I don't go by records, I don't go by records
that records do not mean you're the best team.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So what exactly is the short menu for sports?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
No, I'm talking about when I it's the it's the
eye test of looking at teams. I don't think they're
the best team in the AFC or the NFL.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
I didn't say the NFL. I said the AFC. But
when you look at it, to me, it's just to
me plainly.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Right, they're not better than the Lions. I should this.
They've won two Super Bowls in the last two years.
They're not better in the Lion.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Because the Lions are the only team in the NFL
that can withstand their quarterback playing a bad game and
still win.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
So so you're based on that. They don't have the
hit last year. I'm not talking anything about LA. What
I'm talking about when people give the Chiefs a pass
is because of their past. Is that not true? I'm
not giving the Chiefs to pass on anything. Most people
will give you the whole idea. Like even at at
one point this year, Patrick Mahomes was in the MVP race.
(10:29):
How on what stats? What stats would you have to
be in the MVP race? But that's because people always
mix in uh, like it's a lifetime achievement.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
A betting market and who's actually going to win the
MVP is two drastically different things.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I agree with that they're not always correless. I didn't
say that. There are people who still thought.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Patrick mahoons, I'm not theirs, I'm not them so, but
the virality of it is when you look at this
team offensively, sure, are they as explosive as they've been
in the past. No, but they're right there in the
top fifteen in total office, They're right.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Their offense is completely good.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
On the red zone, sixteenth in the league, they're like
near the bottom.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, they're not.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
They're better than the Eagles in the red zone. They're
better than the I had it right here, They're not.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
That's just not true. There. They're the fifteenth or sixteenth
best team.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
And where exactly you've got that exactly if you give
me a second.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
But they're the fifteenth or sixteenth best team in the
red zone.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
They're the best team in the NFL on third down,
and even in the game today in which they only
scored nineteen points seven for sixteen on third down, they
continue to possess the ball.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Where were they? How many in the red zone today?
How many touchdowns did they get?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I think they only scored two touchdowns the whole game.
The Reds master one touchdown the whole game. The restless
field goals.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
But that also works out because they have excellent special teams.
They've blocked two field goal kicks in games in which
they won by three points. I don't think that's all
happenstance are as you said earlier, you don't take vote
for whatever reason. I think the other reason these teams
struggle is because of the team they're playing against. You know,
it's a little thing like defense. But the other thing
is too teams melt down in the NFL all the time.
(12:08):
The Packers last night tried their best to melt down
against the against the Dolphins. The Dolphins weren't good enough
to overcome them, to overtake them. That's the difference. You
want to talk about. Why the Chiefs seemingly always on
the right side of these things is because they are
good enough to win.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
They well.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Other teams melt down, or they have a moment where
they melt down, or Patrick Mahomes throws an interception.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's not all, is lost. It's oh, this is one
step back. Let's go ahead and take two steps forward.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. The Kansas City
Chiefs are the worst eleven to one team I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
If Martin says fifty.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Five point eight percent in the red zone, better than
the Eagles, the Seahawks, the Packers, the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Martin said, forty nine Ers, the Seams.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Steelers, all of those teams says they're the best a
team in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Where are you?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine, six sixty three sixty nine. It is the
Odd Couple on a Funky Flashback Friday right here on
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Speaker 4 (13:15):
Stick and stay unless you're delusional about the Chiefs Kingdom
in the USAA.
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Speaker 3 (13:33):
Our number two of the Odd Couple on a Funky
Flashback Friday, A Black Friday at that the day after Thanksgiving, Man,
oh man, you might be out there shopping or you
did some or I guess everybody.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Uh Cyber, do you go to the malls anymore?
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I actually went to the mall on Wednesday, was there
with Tuesday, not realizing that all everything was forty percent
off anyway, right, well, they do they They don't wait
till Black Friday.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Didn't want people if you're in the stores to get
the deals. It was wide open too. I was trying
stuff on. I had like three people waiting on you. Okay,
good time. That was a good time. I like to
go to the mall. I still do.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
It is the Eye couple, Rob Parker, Martin Weiss in
for Kelvin Washington. Coming up in about twenty eight minutes.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It is Sean King.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
We'll be down with the King, the former NFL quarterback
Fox Sports Radio NFL analysts. I don't think he was
a big Caleb Williams guy either, so it'll be interested
to just get his take on it as well. But
mar Caleb Williams I did mention this. He established NFL
rookie records with two hundred and twelve straight passing attempts
(14:42):
without an interception, and also he also set the record,
not that the Bears record for the most passing touchdowns
by rookie quarterback. They have such a hard history of
developing quarterbacks that you're pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
He might have been able to do it throwing left handed.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Right, He's got fourteen touchdowns, five interceptions, and even during
the streak where they were losing and things weren't you know,
and and to me, there was a couple of things
that I saw that I thought could totally change your perception.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And the Washington game, he drove them down.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Sure, right, they go ahead, Martin, and then what happens? Hell,
married they lose that game?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
What was the other one? The other one was what
they got the field goal blocked?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Who was that against? I just off the top of
my head.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
They had a field goal blocked and they also had
it was it was like right after the city blocked
the field goal in Denver.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And that's why that's the only one I stuck in
my head. But I had a field the.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Game was that It just off the top of my head.
I'm sorry, but that was another one where if that
field goes made you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
They've lost a handful of games on the margin for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Right where you would look totally different at him than
when they had the what they lost six now six
in a row, six in a row.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, when you look at that.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
But he had the one third of the season four two, right,
So even if you go three and three through that stretch,
you're looking at seven and four, And that's an entirely
different scenario, right, and and the and the flip side
is seven and five.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Sorry, uh Daniels in Washington they got oh they got
two wins kind of like that.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Probably they shouldn't have got and if you and it
changes their.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Season if you take the other side of that him
query right, right, So it's it's interesting. But what do
you just your take on Caleb.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I'm sure you want you know, being a USC alum,
did you watch them closely?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
What did you think going in? And what do you
think now?
Speaker 6 (16:34):
I think what's important for a rookie quarterback, especially when
as highly touted as Caleb Williams was, is Okay, what
was he lead at in college?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
How does he do that in the NFL?
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Caleb Williams, what he was e lead at es capability
ability to extend plays, backyard football type of stuff. Now
he's gotten caught in the NFL way more than he
did in college. But he has still shown an ability
to be able to win the play breaks down, to
get lose, make things happen, make moves, and still deliver
accurate balls. That to me is the number one key
(17:06):
we looked at. Like the media in general, I think
was way over their skis on Kayleb Williams. Myself included,
I had the Bears as a potential playoff team. Didn't
see this out of the vikings. That's that's pretty much
why I had the Bears as a potential playoff team.
I'm not the only one now Nick Wright had them
going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Sure, But the thing that.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
We looked at the Bears roster and talent has said,
this is one of the most talented situations a first
round pick is going into without the knowledge of just
how bad it was in the front office and coaching
staff right and the coaching staff to me is absolutely
dreadful if you happens where they are. If you had
Denver's coaching staff in Chicago, I think Kayleb Williams would
look a whole hell of a lot better. But ultimately,
(17:47):
as is, if I'm a fan of the Chicago Bears,
I know you have PTSD from all these other quarterback
situations you have. This is the third time you've drafted
a quarterback in the first round and then fired his
head coach before like with before the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But this ain't Mitch Trubisky, and this ain't justin fields.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
You've seen more out of Caleb Williams, even in this
six game losing streak.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Then you start out to either one of those two guys.
You you got the guy in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Now see, I'm with you, and and we we agree
on this. And I'm gonna say I think a lot
of people and and and I don't I don't get
this part. Just didn't like like the the dialogue that
was coming out before he got drafted from his dad
maybe you know what I mean, and and some other
stuff that had nothing to do with football, Like like
(18:35):
they were trying to downgrade him as a football player
because of the chatter and the noise and this other stuff.
Oh he's a prima donna. Oh he's this, he's that,
And and that's fine, that's fine. You might not like that,
but I'm talking about his talent and I and I
and I agree the knock on him holds the ball
a little bit too long, you know, and there's some
(18:57):
sacks that he probably has to get better at getting
rid of the ball so he's not sacked in some
of those situations. But I agree, I mean this think
they made over keep Justin Fields.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I mean, really keep Justin Fields over Caleb Williams. There
were some teammates, some players well, I mean and also too.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
It'd be one thing if they were saying it today, right,
it's another thing in tirely with Justin Fields is in
your locker room, and okay, everybody knows you you're gonna
pick Caleb Williams, but you haven't actually picked Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
That it's a little bit. I just say, it's a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
That burd in hand is a lot realer than the
bird in the bush that you're thinking is coming.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I get that.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
But the only thing is they saw him up and
I'm not there's a place for Justin Fields, right, I think, rob,
But I think what it is from the two stops
we've seen him Justin Fields.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I think he's a really really nice guy. And I
don't say that lightly. I don't have fun.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
I think he's a really really nice His teammates speak
glowing his coaches speak glowingly of him.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
They talk about him like like Arthur Smith talks about
him right now to this day. If you ask Arthur
Smith about him, even with the Russell Wilison's success to Pittsburgh,
he'd be like, oh, no, we got two starting quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
This is only one guy's getting all the snaps, right.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
That's I think that's only something that you do if
you actually, like on a personal level, like the guy.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
With Caleb Williams. Somebody, somebody tweeted this.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
I wish I'd give him credit, but this is something
that I read it and it really informed the way
I looked at him for the rest of everything. Caleb
Williams is the first gen Z quarterback. He's the first
quarterback of this generation. Right, Like I'm thirty five, Like
Malimam Millennials, there's an entirely new generation of kids resent
their kids. To me that feel that made me feel
(20:40):
a little bit older. I was about to say, like
Mary Mack is in that Mary Mack, how.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Old are you?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Twenty three, twenty one, twenty one. There's a gap in
just the way. You don't get me wrong, we can
still communicate. We still could connect and still have a
good working relationship.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Me and Mary, we communicate. All she has to do
is put some white powder in her hair.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
And but you know how big the gap is between
some of the stuff that Mary knows and some of
the stuff that you know, right, and how some of
the way that maybe Mary would act and some of
the way that you would.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
That's the same thing with Caleb Williams some of these
other quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
It's like when you see this guy who's like, he's
not cutting his hair, he's painting his nails, he's wearing
pajama pants.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
That's what they all do.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I know.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But but but and I get that, it's this is
my thing. I totally get that. But it's a bunch
of old you know. But you and me looking at
it like what the what the scout about? But but
I agree, Okay, I see what exactly what you're saying.
But as a scout, you know what I mean, And
some of the got you gotta get on. Like you
sometimes you gotta look at somebody and look at their
(21:39):
talent to armstad you know what I mean, and and
all that other stuff to devalue someone's talent because they're
wearing pajama.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Pants and painting their nails.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I just can't understand how you could turn in a
scouting report and downgrade his talent for those reasons and
the things.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
That's what I'm about. It is when you look at
listen to any of his postgame comments. Are you listening
to any of his comments in the media from the
four and two start to the Owen sixth slide? To me,
and I hear like way more press conference sound than
I should for my day job. I hear all the time,
like I listened to probably fifteen press conferences.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
A day in portion. How do you stay away?
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Caleb Williams shows a level of maturity to me, That's
whyse beyond his years. Like he doesn't throw anybody under
the bus. He takes all the responsibility and all the like.
Even when Shane Waldron was fired and Thomas Brown came
in and he started playing better, he was just like, you.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Know, the practices are just a little different. It's not
like you. But he didn't.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
He had an opportunity there to go ahead and say, yeah, yeah,
Thomas is really changing the paradigm of everything we do.
Thomas just changing the paradigm of everything we do, it's
now from Shane what Shane Waldron was doing.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And he doesn't do that. He seems to me to
be very mature for a kid who is barely drinking age. Uh, Mary,
what you got? Well now, I was gonna say.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I think though, also for like Caleb in terms of
like being again a gen Z quarter, I think our
work ethic is a lot more different, like we're able
to do the bare minimum but still like keep it
like where Okay, we're getting our work done and like
going above and beyond, but still kind of during the
bare minimum. And I feel like a bunch of the
millennials and the other people in the like NFL team
(23:22):
or whatever, just like huh, that's kind of weird and awkward.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So it kind of makes people want to downplay his
talent as well.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, I just as a scout, I just don't understand,
like if I'm scouting somebody, how I can downplay. And
that's what I heard a lot before the draft and whatnot,
and all these people were saying, he's he's going to
be a big boss.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Who's the guy Dan Kelly this day Jet scout or
whatever we've had him on. But I mean let's be honest,
how far he didn't fall?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Like, no, no, no.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
These conversations existed in part because of the NFL draft
cycle and the way the news runs. Like this year,
there will be all types of people trying to convince
you that Carson Beck didn't lead the nation in interceptions
the whole entire time we watched him, right, Because it'll
just move on and on and on. Remember Will Levis
was supposed to be a top five pick, right and
he second round? He sat there from that is that
(24:09):
because ultimately ended of that he was the number one
overall pick.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Also, when you think about the three uh, let's think
about the three rookie quarterbacks, right, Jayden and Daniels. Who
else we got nicks and bow knicks? Where does he
rank Caleb in that? I think Caleb has the most potential.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I think Caleb like like I think, especially when you're
looking at these guys who have played you know what,
thirteen games total in the NFL, I think Caleb shows
the most potential for growth. I think Drake May has
shown that physically he's able to handle the NFL game.
We'll see what his decision making brings. Jaydon Daniels is
almost the opposite decision making. He's definitely good enough to
(24:49):
play in the NFL at a high level, but he
physically can his body keep up and it seemed like
he's taking a step back. Well, I think, but it
also coincides he missed that he missed most of that
Carolina game with the rib injury. Surprisingly, offense hasn't quite
looked the same, like. I think that has a big
part to do with that. Expect him to start years
big and then slow down.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, definitely like he was supposed to be the offensive
player right rookie, uh, without question.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I think it's in question.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
I think it'll ultimately I think the offensive player of
the year will ultimately be bow Knicks. But it'll very
much be like how Mac Jones was in the running
for offensive Rookie of the Year until the very end
when Jamar Chase overcapt This is just because Mac Jones
had a very high floor.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Same with bo Knicks.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
All right eight seven to seven ninety nine on Fox
eight seven, seven, nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Caleb Williams, has he changed your mind or not? I
mean maybe you were on board from day one. Talk
about Caleb. You like what you're seeing, and mart talked
about it. His ceiling is high and he's doing things
that the rookie record two hundred and twelve pass attempts
(25:54):
without an interception, fourteen touchdowns already. Uh, think about this,
Daniel Jones when he got his big contract as so
many touchdowns he had that.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Year fifteen, fifteen and seventeen games, twenty one total.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Yes, unbelievable. Caleb Williams, your thoughts on him. I think
he's I think he's going to be the start and
a lot of people thought he was going to be.
I really do eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
We saw him in the second half against the Lions.
He looked really good. Caleb Williams, where are you? You're
in or you're out?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
On Caleb, it is the odd couple.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
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for Kelvin Washington, Stick and.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
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Speaker 3 (26:50):
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A Black Friday it is, and we are broadcasting a
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The way tire buying should be all right today is
Black Friday. We talked about that. Did you guys do
any shopping you're looking for TV? Do you partake in
Black Friday? You said you went to them all a
couple of days before, but normally do you try to
(27:34):
find deals on Black Friday?
Speaker 6 (27:35):
I mean, I'll click around, I'll perruse, but I'm not
necessarily locked in. I don't have like big expenses that
are I think that's really what the situation would have
to be for me to be locked in on Black Friday.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I'd be like, oh, you know what, my TV happened
to break on Halloween?
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Now wait or something like that for Black Friday to
try to buy, you know, one that's radically discounted. But
I generally have a rule if I won't pay full
price or something I'm not going to buy it just
because it's on sale.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So even if it's on sale, you won't buy it.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Yeah, like unless I was willing to pay full price,
right Like, if it was something that I already wanted
and it was on sale, then I might get it.
But just because it's like, oh, look, this is ninety
eight percent off, you won't buy it. No, Okay, it
has to be something. If I see a good deal.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
On something, like a really good deal, I'll jump on
it because I always feel like like that's how I
get some of the clothes that I have. It'll be
like a six hundred and ninety five dollars jacket and
it's been marked down, reduced to extra twenty five percent off,
and now that jacket is one seventy five.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
But is it a jacket that you would have bought
if it was like at six, I wouldn't have paid
I would have paid six ninety five. But I'm saying,
if you like it enough, would paid If you're the
person would have paid that, Let's say full price was
three hundred, would you have paid that?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
You know?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Okay, that's that's because I'm saying I'm gonna just buy
it if it's ugly because it's on sale, but I'll
look at it and I could say it has fine quality.
And if and if it's marked down and I see it,
I might not have been in the uh and and
you know, trying to buy a jacket in the market
for a jacket, but if I find a really nice
(29:20):
one at a really discounted rate, then I'll buy the jacket.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That's how they get you.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Well. But I mean, if I want to buy you,
I'm gonna need a jacket at some point. See this
is the different.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I associate Black Friday with a line out the door.
It used to be pony people used to go to
jail over that. We used the burials, right, I mean,
like like store.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
They used to do it where they had a handful
of items, like at a store, right, and people would
line up at four o'clock in the morning, and then
they would open the door. People would be trampled on.
And so they stopped that because it had gotten out
of hand. Like a store to get people to come
in would offer four TV sets for fifteen sets, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
What I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Each and so people everybody in their uncle is trying
to get to the electronic department to get one of
the four TV sets that you know what I mean,
cost ninety nine dollars or whatever it.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Is, right, right, that's what's wrong with America. People don't
want to compete.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
But I also think though with like the whole thing
of like online shopping, because you can find better deals
online than in.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
Store, but don't want to into the store though some
right don't you like? Also but with COVID, like nobody
goes to malls, nobody goes see yours shut down, Cole
shut down? Like who goes to Macy's for real?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I mean the mall too. I mean I was at there.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
I saw two people wearing pajama pants and slimsbody, but like,
not a.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Lot of people go to the mall one on as
many malls, that is for sure, exactly, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Patrick, What about you on Black five?
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Well, at first I was gonna be like disagreeing a
little bit with Martin was saying like I'm not gonna
buy it and listen something. But I'm like, oh wait
a minute, like because I don't normally, even if there's
a really good deal on something I would never really buy,
I'm never gonna go get it. I just don't, like,
you know, I spend my money frivolously like that. But
like if it was something that I'm like I kind
of need to find. Let's say I need a pair
of shoes, but it's not exactly the type of shoe,
(31:09):
but it looks really cool. I'm like, you know, I
could use that, and it's like fifty percent off.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I'm gonna get that.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Sure, it's gotta be something that's at least in the wheelhouse.
Is something I either need or want, right and.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
For me, like like doing television, there'll be a sport coat,
Like I'll see like that was fourteen hundred dollars and
it's been marked down, marked down, and an extra twenty
five percent off. And now I'm looking at the sport
coat and now it's one seventy five. That was fourteen hundred.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I'm buying it. I'm gonna buy it. It's because you
have need for it, cause I might not.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I didn't go there for that, but I'm gonna do it,
all right, our number three of the odd couple.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
You know what you need to do?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Stick around Jimmy Johnson throwing stones at a cowboy,
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