December 7, 2024 • 26 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether the NFL’s 3-game suspension of Azeez Al-Shaair for knocking out Trevor Lawrence with a vicious hit on Sunday was excessive, argue over whether or not the Jacksonville Jaguars should consider trading away Trevor Lawrence if they end up earning the #1 pick in the upcoming NFL Draft and discuss whether the Detroit Lions will be able to overcome Dan Campbell's gambling ways in the postseason en route to a Super Bowl appearance.
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
That's right, the viral hit that took place on Sunday
afternoon between the Texans and the Jacksonville Jaguars that led
to a concussed Trevor Lawrence. Yes, Texans linebacker Aziz al
shah here has been suspended here is out of here
for three games by the NFL. They put out a
lengthy statement basically saying the reason why he got suspended
(00:53):
is because he's a repeat offender. He's an habitual line
steppers that's over the line habitually, and they believe that
at what he did was reckless, it was violent, it
was unsportsmanlike, and that got a lot of people pannies
up in a bunch, including Texas GM Nick Cassario.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Take a listen and that for the league to make
some of the commentary that he made about lack of sportsmanship,
lack of coachability, lack of paying attention to the rules.
Quite frankly, it's embarrassing. So I think the big thing
from our and they're talking about a player who's never
been suspended, never been ejected. So now we're saying that
he's going to be suspended for three games.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Yes, should have been more.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I'm sorry. The goal for players, Kelvin not to hurt
each other. Okay, play within the rules, don't hurt each
other intentionally, I'm sorry. A defenseless player laying on the field.
Was that necessary? Unnecessary? He got off light to me,
(02:01):
if they said six games, eight games, I'd be alright
with it, I really would. You can't go around and
this is not just protect the quarter. I'm talking about
protecting the players that all cost. Dude.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
This is a violent.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Game, right when the action is going, it's violent.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
So I'm down on the on the field, defenseless.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
That is that when I'm you're gonna deliver the blow
to me and to my upper body and head and
and and and torso, come on, man, no place for that.
And players shouldn't buy into that. I know no kids
get killed on high school fields all the time, right,
all the time, And we haven't had one a serious
(02:45):
you know where someone's died on the field.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
We know in Detroit they was.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It, Well, he got paralyzed, is it. I'm forgetting his name,
but he he died on the field Tiger Stadium, former Lion. Yeah,
but I'm just saying we haven't had anything of that
and we don't happen. That was as scary as it gets.
But I'm just saying not during the course of action.
(03:12):
I get it, it's a violent game. Once a guy's
down like that, that is unnecessary. In the NFL, I
think they could have been stronger on it. I think
that three games, you know, will pacify some. But when
you want to let people know that this won't be
tolerated no way, know how, that's when you throw the
hammer down at somebody. And again they're saying that he's
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had a history of this, right, he hasn't been a
model citizen, and I don't care if he hasn't been
suspended or talked out of a game before, but he's
been warned about some of his hits. So that's why
people are going back saying this guy has done this
before or been rough in the past.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
All right, what in the flag football do you want
to have happened now? Was it absolutely warrant of him
being ejected?
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Absolutely. If you said one game, I would have been like,
all right, cool because he has some other things now,
the other things they're talking about. When I was like, hey,
he's got other things, let me look, it's not for
hitting quarterbacks. In similar fashion, he had a running back,
running backs running out of bouncy, hit him a little extra,
that's it. And the other thing was it was.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
One more thing.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
It was. None of this was hitting quarterbacks. None of
this was you know anything. Yeah, he got into it
with a guy and he threw a punch. This is football.
This happens every game. And one of the issues that
people have in life is inconsistency. And that's the issue
with this is other guys have been ejected, come back
the next game. Other guys have been kicked up, come
back to the next game. Some guys didn't even get it,
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just got a flag. It's inconsistency, So I'm okay with it.
Rob Gettings just kicked out of a football game in NFL,
not even college, that's a lot. Actually being ejected is
a lot. It happens so infrequently, so to be ejected
a lot as is a full game in the NFL,
that's a lot. There's only seventeen of them. It's not
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like an NBA. Go get a game out of eighty two,
one hundred and sixty two baseball, a couple of games,
you'll be all right. Three games that's a fifth of
the season. That's a fifth of his salary. And again,
the guy who does not, it's not like he's been
suspended for a bunch of things. Hitting a running back
running out of bounds before and throwing a little punch.
This is the NFL. I was wrong for the hit.
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I agree with that, and he's apologized that. I believe
he was sincere and he was wrong for that. But
the only thing I'll say I'll toss it back to
you is quarterbacks. We've legislated so much and I'm not
even trying to take it back to the seventies where
they can take your head off. I don't even want
to go there.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
But go back, go back to look at all the
quarterbacks that were her all beat down, that even Joe Montana.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Go look at what the giants.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
All those guys, all those guys were beat down to
a pulp is not good for business and I and
that's why I took it out of even the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
The idea that I have is that what are you
waiting for?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
You're waiting for somebody to be paralyzed on the field,
are you?
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Is that what you're so what you're trying to do
is to stop this.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Okay, just like when they had bounty Gate, all right,
and Sean Payton was out there right, Sean Payton was
paying players to try to hurt people, to get them
knocked out of the game. That is not what you want.
And the NFL in this situation saw this and said, no, no, no,
How you stopped not only this guy, but other people
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in understanding what's going on here is to make it severe.
And that's why I think it should be even more.
And if he wanted to, you know, have it reduced
or whatever, because you know they're gonna be able to
go up to heal it, right, and it might they
might knock a game off because that's usually when you
go to in a PLLL meet you somewhere in the
middle of us or usually.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
But the thing Aboudie, Rob It sounds good what you're
saying in theory, but bounty gate still happens.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
We just ate hearing about it.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Let me tell you, I'm not saying they're literally giving
you money, but think about it. If I'm knocking guys,
I'm laying people out. That's just a part of the game.
And again he said it not for money, right, I'm
agreeing with them. But what I mean is, though they're
still trying to knock you out. So whether I pay
you or not, the goal is to dislidsee the ball.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
But there's a difference when there's a bounty there's money.
To be My point is the same thing applies.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
If I can lay out Lamar Jackson to where he's out, great,
we literally might win this game.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
No, But but if I have an incentive with some money,
I might do something that I normally wouldn't do because
I know there's some payday at the end.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
I understand the roughness or whatever.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
And that's that's all I'm saying is this isn't inherently
when doing it right, it's it's y'all.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
But that's that's why that's exact. The reason to be
tough on it because it is tough and people get
hurt under normal circumstances, so that you shouldn't allow someone
to be defenseless laying on the to be hit like that.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
That's the point. But the issue, But the other challenge
the point. The other challenge with this is quarterbacks. And
I'm looking at you, y'all gotta quit being slick. And
I don't necessarily hold it.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
I say this one he a little late, but I'm
I'm okay with this one again.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Him being Holmes has done that run they get in
fake slide. I'm about to slide, and I don't slide.
You do that. You're open for that if you if
you fake a slide.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
But what I mean is the issue is becoming quarterbacks
can do that. They cannot wait, Oh no, I'm slid.
I'm running at about I put my shoulder down. Lower
you in quarterbacks, anytime you run a dB over, what
do they do? Get over and act like that's tough?
So I think you you see guys finally in their
mind able to.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Get a lick on the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
I can't hit him in the legs too low can't
hit him in the helmet, can't put my body weight
on him, can't tackle him and slam them. You literally
have like one way to tackle a little quarterback. And
I think guys are starting to react to that. Man,
I finally get a chance to get my licks. This
is my moment. And so if you do that, you
get ejected, you get a game. I'm okay with that.
(09:14):
But three games was a bit excessive in the NFL
where there's only seventeen games, all right?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Was the NFL suspension excessive? That's what Kelvin says. I
don't think so. And do you think we made it
too hard to play defense this day? These days? That's
what everybody's saying. Because they don't want to be liable. Okay,
they don't want to be liable. They don't want their product.
These sixty million dollar quarterbacks hurt. They don't want these guys.
And you could say whatever you want, that's the product.
(09:42):
When a team doesn't have a quarterback, what are they
They're not going to the playoffs, they're not going to
the super Bowl, right, so you devalue the entire team
if you don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
That's why they have to protect.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
But then you're gonna have to make it seven on
seven flag football. Well I can't.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
You're not as old as I am.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I remember in the Grasp they had so many quarterbacks hurt.
If I grabbed your jersey, you were sacked. There was
called in the grasp. You didn't even have to bring
the guy down to the ground to require that.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
In the grass.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
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Speaker 5 (10:30):
Rob G, what's the news of the day on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Trevor Lawrence, franchise quarterback of the Jacksonville Jaguars who famously
got decapitated on Sunday yes by a Houston Texas defender,
has been placed on injury reserve. He'll be out at
least four games, and by all indications, given the way
the jag season is.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Gone, he will not be out. He will not be
returning the rest of the season with four.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Games ago doesn't make sense now, rob G, where are
they in the sweep steaks?
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Because they're two to ten? Correct?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
They currently have the worst record in the NFL. Which
means they also have the best chances of securing the
number one overall.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Pick and they'll come in NFL Draft.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
This would be the second time since they've drafted Lawrence
that the Jags would be picking number one. Famously, in
twenty twenty two, they took tray Von Walker out of
Georgia over a Hutchinson, which guys like I'm watching are
very excited about. Yep, destroy Lank, you over Sauce Gardner,
over a bunch of all pro level guys. So they're
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really good at drafting players. But here's the question, guys,
Trevor Lawrence obviously just got paid this past offseason, big time,
big money. But given what you've seen from him on
the field, the inconsistency, given that this is now the
second time since they've drafted him that they're picking number one,
has Trevor Lawrence shown you enough as the Jacksonville Jaguars
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for an office to pass on a quarterback yet again
in this upcoming draft?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Apps A freakinglutely yes. And there's a couple of things
going on here.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Kelvin.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Tell me, first of all, you've already made that financial
commitment number two, Jacksonville has more holes than a golf course. Okay,
can we They got plenty of holes that need to
be filled, Thanks Alex. So going to get another quarterback
that either you're not gonna play next year or whatever,
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as you bring him along because you already got Trevor
Lawrence there with the big money and it's only gonna
cost you money to get out of that. You gotta
go trade down, get some picks, and then try to
plug up some of the glaring holes that this team has.
I just to get a quarterback to me, if you're
(12:51):
the Jacksonville Jaguars makes no sense.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
And I'm not saying that Trevor Lawrence is.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It doesn't have some blame right or it's gonna be
a hahull famed quarterback or whatever. But we have seen
some positives and some stuff. That's the reason why they
signed them to a deal. And you remember that's still
living off of that playoff comeback. You remember against the
Chargers when were they down twenty seven to nothing at
the half?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
What was the score like something like this, something like
And by the way, he contributed to them being down.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
No, he had a bad first half, but he had
a terrific second half and they had one of the
biggest comeback wins ever in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
So you're telling me he's Matt Flynn.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
So no throw six court touchdowns against the Lions and
they getting a bunch of money from the Seahawks because
I thought Irvin Meyer stumped his growth his first year.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Ervin Meyer was he was too busy playing doing lap dances.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Yeah, thirty thirty on him is gonna be I mean,
I know he's been in a couple of them, but
I mean the ones focused strictly on him will be interesting.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
So I'm not there.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I'm not and I don't know the quarterback who's the
over overwhelming that's that's gonna change your franchise.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
So there's out of Canna.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Yeah this year. It isn't like Andrew Lux coming out.
So I understand that there are a couple of good ones.
You know, Cam Cameron Ward out of Miami is expected
to be, you know, one of the first to go,
if not shud Or Sanders is gonna be one of
the first top five six seven players to go, as
well as a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
So you have those options.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
And for me, everything you just mentioned is why I'm
looking to move on because I've given him. If I'm
the organization, we've we've done this experiment. Now this is
the fourth year of this experiment. He hasn't wiled me
per se. He hasn't been great, and there are other
folks out there available. So to me, I'm gonna do
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a justin Field situation, you know, call up and get
a bunch of draft picks and say, hey, team who
needs a quarterback? Give me a bunch of the draft
picks so I can maybe draft.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
You're talking about when justin Field, you're talking about what
when he was?
Speaker 6 (14:51):
When he when the Pittsburgh Speard pick for him to get?
Who am I missing? Then, dude, give a bunch of
picks in it. The first to first run the first pick, Bryce.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Young, that's what you call up on them from the Bears.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
He had like a fourth round pick.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Give me the picks. Hopefully the way it works out
depending on what you give me. Like if I make
you give me a first, a fourth and the future
or whatever, I can get a quarterback and then to
as you mentioned, I can start to fill some holes
because they're not overly wowing you a talent down there
in Jacksonville. But to me, I've seen enough that I'm
okay moving on and I'll be off of that money.
(15:29):
So hopefully I can get a quarterback that's good. If
I were to get a Shador Sanders, if I were
to get a camera Ward, and I got a good
quarterback who I want a rookie deal with, so I
can't start to fill these holes with guys. I may
have to pay money. He may have to pay money
to a tackle, may have to pay money to a linebacker,
may have to pay money to a top cornerback. And
I got this hopefully good rookie quarterback because I've seen enough.
(15:51):
He hasn't been that spectacular. Eleven touchdowns, seven interceptions this year.
You look at his first two years twelve touchdowns, seventeen interceptions.
Last if you want to go, but he played more,
way more games, twenty one touchdown, fourteen interceptions. He's not
been that great. I'm not saying he's a bad quarterback,
but I'm okay venturing off now. Say we did it
(16:11):
four years, Thank you for your time.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Move on.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
I'm gonna get a new young quarterback on a rookie
deal who I believe may be comparable to you, if not,
maybe even better.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And then yeah, I'm willing to take that risk. I've
seen this experiment. Well here's a problem. Rob G's gonna
explain it to you.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well, there's two albums you can go down in this
hypothetical situation. Both of them would involve a post June
one situation because whatever reason, the way the NFL calendar works,
if you do it in February, it's worth more than
it is in June. If they were to just cut him,
which they would never do of course, now that that
would know, the dead cap number would be over two
hundred million dollars across four that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
That's that's NFL suicide.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So if you are to trade him, though, and again
people still think Trevor Lawren's got that strong jaw, he's
six five's got beautiful hair.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Remember we saw him at though he's a specific at
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Like you look at him and go like like, but
I feel like we were doing that since even college. He's
like not yeah, but how much more am I gonna be?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Just sitting here? Like?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
So if you were to trade him post June one
for next season, he would only count thirty million dollars
towards your Cap, which will be spread out over four
years in dead Cap.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
All right, he gotta go.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
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Speaker 5 (17:29):
Where are you? My phone's ringing? Hello, Trevor Revers. Nice
for sale? All right, Trevor Lawrence? Are you moving on?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Are you gonna hold on to him and finally get
some picks and fill the holes there in Jacksonville?
Speaker 5 (17:43):
There's a lot of work to do.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's nice to get a shiny new toy as a quarterback,
but if you don't have the other stuff you have
Bryce Young all over again looks good by the way
A seasons over, Brice been bolling when it mattered.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
They couldn't make they couldn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
You gotta always be careful because once the season is over,
things all of a sudden, what to.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Made a season like two three weeks he's been playing
really well?
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Cook left that man cook?
Speaker 6 (18:11):
He ain't cooking. That's that's an instant TV day. If
you don't hurry, I'm let the phone call. I'm getting
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Speaker 5 (18:33):
Lions get it done.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
They win thirty four to thirty one, a lakefield goal
to uh iceter game and uh of course Lions coach
Dan Campbell's being talked about all day and there's no
way that we cannot address Dan Campbell either.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
And I'm gonna say this right off the bat. Dan Campbell.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
For as much credit and people are all excited about him,
I think he's a bad coach and I think he's
worse than Brandon Staley when he was with the Chargers
who got fired. And I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
This is not being provocative.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Or trying to change the game or having cajone's or whatever.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
This is reckless.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And the reason I say he's a bad coach and
ultimately will wind up costing the Lions a chance at
the elusive trip to the super Bowl or even a
chance to win it is because what he's doing is
unnecessary and putting his team in harm's way.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And it worked out last night, thank god.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It wasn't college rules right, because when when Jared Goff
fell but down, you know it would have been down
for right, that would have been it. He would have
been down at that spot. And I'm just saying, you
don't want to do that if you.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Don't have to.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Going forward, fourth and one, inside the thirty, I read
some stat where no team had done it in twenty
five years, since two thousand, had that even been done?
And again, guys, who I understand Lions fans and you're
one of them. You love the guy because you you
endured all the terrible years. Okay, I get it, and
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you're like, oh, they're on the cusp and this is
the guy.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
He's unbelieve, he'd fearless and this and that.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
But if you're really honest, Dan Campbell cost you a
trip to the Super Bowl last year with the chicanery
and all of that, and he's gonna do it again.
He hasn't learned his lesson and until he gets burned.
If you remember, after the NFC Championship Game last year,
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he told the team that he probably cost him a
trip and he don't know if there's another trip. This
is unnecessary, This is not Madden. This is NFL football
with jobs and careers and legacies on the line. He
can't keep doing this. Dan Campbell, I don't care what
the results are. Is a bad coach and worse than
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Brandon Staley. You know why Brandon Staley didn't have a
team that was had a chance to win a Super Bowl.
He was doing that nonsense and it wound up costing
him his job. But the Lions have a really good
team and a chance to win and the one week
spot is Dan Campbell.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Okay, this is where you get in trouble, Robin. This
is why I have to be here to protect you
and be there for you in times of need, because
you keep doing things like saying Patrick Mahomes is Daniel Jones.
And now you're saying that Brandon Staley has an earth
to be mentioned in the same vein as Dan Campbell,
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who has been what twenty four and.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Six in the last two seasons. Don't forget the fotus
two years got to see well the first only on
one O.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
The year before that, I mean that year that he
went and won what six seventh straight, and then now we've.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Been on this run. So if you want to add
those two, he's been going to add his entire career
if you want to talk about him dan Kemp.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
But that's perfectly that's perfectly fine as well, because he
came in and he was struggling like any coach setting
it to there's been stink.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Of the lions who have been there for so long,
and he came in and.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Hit it with some potpourri, hitt it with some for breeze,
and we've been off ever since.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Now here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and
hope and thinking, hoping for a different result. I think
what he is doing works fine during the season, have
no problem with it. Aman Saint Brown says, I'm in
Ron Saint Brown says, we knew all the time we're
going forward and fourth out.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
That's just how we are. It's our makeup, is how
we're built. They're ready for it, he said, We're ready
for it every time. This is what we do. Even
he was a little shocked last night.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
But they've been doing this since the dan Kevill experiment
has begun, and it's worked and they've won and they've
been dominant. Here's the difference, and here's where there is
some pause for concern. If you do not learn from
your mistakes and you keep thinking that you can do
the same things in the postseason. It's literally its own
new season. Then I will have an issue. What I
(23:24):
mean is on a random Monday night, a random Thursday
night like that last night, you got sixteen seventeen weeks,
seventeen games.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Okay, you can go for it.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
You can gamble knowing if we were to lose, we
got plenty of time to make it up throughout the season.
Once you get in the postseason, it is literally a
new season, zero zero for all teams, and it is
a win or go home. So as long as he
has learned from his lesson it is mistake last year
and realizes each game, each quarter, really each drive is matters,
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and it's different in the postseason, I'm okay with that
because then he can continue to be who he is
mentally tough. This team fights hard, they play hard, they
fight through adversity, fight through mistakes, and I love it.
But I'm banking on that he has learned from him
as a mistake last season. It will make the adjustment
needed in the postseason, not the regulation.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You have no evidence that he's changed his stripes. What
evidence do you have that come to pot season? We
know what evidence do you have? You have none. You're hoping,
you're wishing and you're praying, and you're saying last night
was a random Thursday night.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
No, the division is on the line.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Had the Packers won or Minnesota would have they would
have drawn. If they lost, that game drawn even with Minnesota,
that was an important game. That wasn't a throwaway game.
Where are you thinking that's a How is that a
random Thursday night? It would have been hell to pay
And you would have been screaming bloody murder last night.
(24:58):
And you can see there all day and everybody in
NFL America would.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Say Dan Campbell is a bad coach. Had that back then, But.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
First of all, nobody would say he's a Nobody would
say he's a bad coach. You can't, you literally cannot
say he's a bad coach. It literally does not make sense,
does not add up nothing about Dan Kemble's a bad coach. Now,
what you can say is all coaches have their issues.
Some guys can't scheme up on offense enough. Some guys
can't get their team to be disciplined and stop making
(25:27):
penalties and mental errors. Every coach has their falls, but
you cannot ever say Dan Kempbell's a bad coach. Nothing
about his tenure has equated to bad coach. In season
last season, where he had one game, you're acting as
if he didn't win all these other games to get there.
(25:47):
Let's not act like he did all of a sudden.
He's just been zero and six in the postseason. Now,
what I'm saying is this has been the makeup of
the team. This has been what they do. They go
for it. They go on the ball, no matter what
what other teams won't. They'll push through injuries, no matter what.
This is who they are, their mental makeup, they go
(26:07):
for it. They don't care who's what. If we're not
gonna we're up twenty on this bad team, we'll take
their foot off the gas. They beat you by forty
or fifty points. This is what he does. And I'm
okay with that as long as you get into the
postseason and realize, Okay, now I have to make adjustments
because it's win or go home, and that's different. That's
(26:27):
a different thing. We did what we did to get here.
We'll do what we do, but we'll make adjustments as
need be. That is a sign of a great coach,
and if he wants to become a great coach, he
will do that in the postseason as other coaches have done.
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
That's right, the viral hit that took place on Sunday
afternoon between the Texans and the Jacksonville Jaguars that led
to a concussed Trevor Lawrence. Yes, Texans linebacker Aziz al
shah here has been suspended here is out of here
for three games by the NFL. They put out a
lengthy statement basically saying the reason why he got suspended
(00:53):
is because he's a repeat offender. He's an habitual line
steppers that's over the line habitually, and they believe that
at what he did was reckless, it was violent, it
was unsportsmanlike, and that got a lot of people pannies
up in a bunch, including Texas GM Nick Cassario.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Take a listen and that for the league to make
some of the commentary that he made about lack of sportsmanship,
lack of coachability, lack of paying attention to the rules.
Quite frankly, it's embarrassing. So I think the big thing
from our and they're talking about a player who's never
been suspended, never been ejected. So now we're saying that
he's going to be suspended for three games.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Yes, should have been more.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I'm sorry. The goal for players, Kelvin not to hurt
each other. Okay, play within the rules, don't hurt each
other intentionally, I'm sorry. A defenseless player laying on the field.
Was that necessary? Unnecessary? He got off light to me,
(02:01):
if they said six games, eight games, I'd be alright
with it, I really would. You can't go around and
this is not just protect the quarter. I'm talking about
protecting the players that all cost. Dude.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
This is a violent.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Game, right when the action is going, it's violent.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
So I'm down on the on the field, defenseless.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
That is that when I'm you're gonna deliver the blow
to me and to my upper body and head and
and and and torso, come on, man, no place for that.
And players shouldn't buy into that. I know no kids
get killed on high school fields all the time, right,
all the time, And we haven't had one a serious
(02:45):
you know where someone's died on the field.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
We know in Detroit they was.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It, Well, he got paralyzed, is it. I'm forgetting his name,
but he he died on the field Tiger Stadium, former Lion. Yeah,
but I'm just saying we haven't had anything of that
and we don't happen. That was as scary as it gets.
But I'm just saying not during the course of action.
(03:12):
I get it, it's a violent game. Once a guy's
down like that, that is unnecessary. In the NFL, I
think they could have been stronger on it. I think
that three games, you know, will pacify some. But when
you want to let people know that this won't be
tolerated no way, know how, that's when you throw the
hammer down at somebody. And again they're saying that he's
(03:35):
had a history of this, right, he hasn't been a
model citizen, and I don't care if he hasn't been
suspended or talked out of a game before, but he's
been warned about some of his hits. So that's why
people are going back saying this guy has done this
before or been rough in the past.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
All right, what in the flag football do you want
to have happened now? Was it absolutely warrant of him
being ejected?
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Absolutely. If you said one game, I would have been like,
all right, cool because he has some other things now,
the other things they're talking about. When I was like, hey,
he's got other things, let me look, it's not for
hitting quarterbacks. In similar fashion, he had a running back,
running backs running out of bouncy, hit him a little extra,
that's it. And the other thing was it was.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
One more thing.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
It was. None of this was hitting quarterbacks. None of
this was you know anything. Yeah, he got into it
with a guy and he threw a punch. This is football.
This happens every game. And one of the issues that
people have in life is inconsistency. And that's the issue
with this is other guys have been ejected, come back
the next game. Other guys have been kicked up, come
back to the next game. Some guys didn't even get it,
(04:45):
just got a flag. It's inconsistency, So I'm okay with it.
Rob Gettings just kicked out of a football game in NFL,
not even college, that's a lot. Actually being ejected is
a lot. It happens so infrequently, so to be ejected
a lot as is a full game in the NFL,
that's a lot. There's only seventeen of them. It's not
(05:05):
like an NBA. Go get a game out of eighty two,
one hundred and sixty two baseball, a couple of games,
you'll be all right. Three games that's a fifth of
the season. That's a fifth of his salary. And again,
the guy who does not, it's not like he's been
suspended for a bunch of things. Hitting a running back
running out of bounds before and throwing a little punch.
This is the NFL. I was wrong for the hit.
(05:26):
I agree with that, and he's apologized that. I believe
he was sincere and he was wrong for that. But
the only thing I'll say I'll toss it back to
you is quarterbacks. We've legislated so much and I'm not
even trying to take it back to the seventies where
they can take your head off. I don't even want
to go there.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
But go back, go back to look at all the
quarterbacks that were her all beat down, that even Joe Montana.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Go look at what the giants.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
All those guys, all those guys were beat down to
a pulp is not good for business and I and
that's why I took it out of even the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
The idea that I have is that what are you
waiting for?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
You're waiting for somebody to be paralyzed on the field,
are you?
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Is that what you're so what you're trying to do
is to stop this.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Okay, just like when they had bounty Gate, all right,
and Sean Payton was out there right, Sean Payton was
paying players to try to hurt people, to get them
knocked out of the game. That is not what you want.
And the NFL in this situation saw this and said, no, no, no,
How you stopped not only this guy, but other people
(06:32):
in understanding what's going on here is to make it severe.
And that's why I think it should be even more.
And if he wanted to, you know, have it reduced
or whatever, because you know they're gonna be able to
go up to heal it, right, and it might they
might knock a game off because that's usually when you
go to in a PLLL meet you somewhere in the
middle of us or usually.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
But the thing Aboudie, Rob It sounds good what you're
saying in theory, but bounty gate still happens.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
We just ate hearing about it.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Let me tell you, I'm not saying they're literally giving
you money, but think about it. If I'm knocking guys,
I'm laying people out. That's just a part of the game.
And again he said it not for money, right, I'm
agreeing with them. But what I mean is, though they're
still trying to knock you out. So whether I pay
you or not, the goal is to dislidsee the ball.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
But there's a difference when there's a bounty there's money.
To be My point is the same thing applies.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
If I can lay out Lamar Jackson to where he's out, great,
we literally might win this game.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
No, But but if I have an incentive with some money,
I might do something that I normally wouldn't do because
I know there's some payday at the end.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
I understand the roughness or whatever.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
And that's that's all I'm saying is this isn't inherently
when doing it right, it's it's y'all.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
But that's that's why that's exact. The reason to be
tough on it because it is tough and people get
hurt under normal circumstances, so that you shouldn't allow someone
to be defenseless laying on the to be hit like that.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
That's the point. But the issue, But the other challenge
the point. The other challenge with this is quarterbacks. And
I'm looking at you, y'all gotta quit being slick. And
I don't necessarily hold it.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
I say this one he a little late, but I'm
I'm okay with this one again.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Him being Holmes has done that run they get in
fake slide. I'm about to slide, and I don't slide.
You do that. You're open for that if you if
you fake a slide.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
But what I mean is the issue is becoming quarterbacks
can do that. They cannot wait, Oh no, I'm slid.
I'm running at about I put my shoulder down. Lower
you in quarterbacks, anytime you run a dB over, what
do they do? Get over and act like that's tough?
So I think you you see guys finally in their
mind able to.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Get a lick on the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
I can't hit him in the legs too low can't
hit him in the helmet, can't put my body weight
on him, can't tackle him and slam them. You literally
have like one way to tackle a little quarterback. And
I think guys are starting to react to that. Man,
I finally get a chance to get my licks. This
is my moment. And so if you do that, you
get ejected, you get a game. I'm okay with that.
(09:14):
But three games was a bit excessive in the NFL
where there's only seventeen games, all right?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Was the NFL suspension excessive? That's what Kelvin says. I
don't think so. And do you think we made it
too hard to play defense this day? These days? That's
what everybody's saying. Because they don't want to be liable. Okay,
they don't want to be liable. They don't want their product.
These sixty million dollar quarterbacks hurt. They don't want these guys.
And you could say whatever you want, that's the product.
(09:42):
When a team doesn't have a quarterback, what are they
They're not going to the playoffs, they're not going to
the super Bowl, right, so you devalue the entire team
if you don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
That's why they have to protect.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
But then you're gonna have to make it seven on
seven flag football. Well I can't.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
You're not as old as I am.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I remember in the Grasp they had so many quarterbacks hurt.
If I grabbed your jersey, you were sacked. There was
called in the grasp. You didn't even have to bring
the guy down to the ground to require that.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
In the grass.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
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Speaker 5 (10:30):
Rob G, what's the news of the day on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Trevor Lawrence, franchise quarterback of the Jacksonville Jaguars who famously
got decapitated on Sunday yes by a Houston Texas defender,
has been placed on injury reserve. He'll be out at
least four games, and by all indications, given the way
the jag season is.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Gone, he will not be out. He will not be
returning the rest of the season with four.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Games ago doesn't make sense now, rob G, where are
they in the sweep steaks?
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Because they're two to ten? Correct?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
They currently have the worst record in the NFL. Which
means they also have the best chances of securing the
number one overall.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Pick and they'll come in NFL Draft.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
This would be the second time since they've drafted Lawrence
that the Jags would be picking number one. Famously, in
twenty twenty two, they took tray Von Walker out of
Georgia over a Hutchinson, which guys like I'm watching are
very excited about. Yep, destroy Lank, you over Sauce Gardner,
over a bunch of all pro level guys. So they're
(11:32):
really good at drafting players. But here's the question, guys,
Trevor Lawrence obviously just got paid this past offseason, big time,
big money. But given what you've seen from him on
the field, the inconsistency, given that this is now the
second time since they've drafted him that they're picking number one,
has Trevor Lawrence shown you enough as the Jacksonville Jaguars
(11:54):
for an office to pass on a quarterback yet again
in this upcoming draft?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Apps A freakinglutely yes. And there's a couple of things
going on here.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Kelvin.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Tell me, first of all, you've already made that financial
commitment number two, Jacksonville has more holes than a golf course. Okay,
can we They got plenty of holes that need to
be filled, Thanks Alex. So going to get another quarterback
that either you're not gonna play next year or whatever,
(12:30):
as you bring him along because you already got Trevor
Lawrence there with the big money and it's only gonna
cost you money to get out of that. You gotta
go trade down, get some picks, and then try to
plug up some of the glaring holes that this team has.
I just to get a quarterback to me, if you're
(12:51):
the Jacksonville Jaguars makes no sense.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
And I'm not saying that Trevor Lawrence is.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It doesn't have some blame right or it's gonna be
a hahull famed quarterback or whatever. But we have seen
some positives and some stuff. That's the reason why they
signed them to a deal. And you remember that's still
living off of that playoff comeback. You remember against the
Chargers when were they down twenty seven to nothing at
the half?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
What was the score like something like this, something like
And by the way, he contributed to them being down.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
No, he had a bad first half, but he had
a terrific second half and they had one of the
biggest comeback wins ever in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
So you're telling me he's Matt Flynn.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
So no throw six court touchdowns against the Lions and
they getting a bunch of money from the Seahawks because
I thought Irvin Meyer stumped his growth his first year.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Ervin Meyer was he was too busy playing doing lap dances.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Yeah, thirty thirty on him is gonna be I mean,
I know he's been in a couple of them, but
I mean the ones focused strictly on him will be interesting.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
So I'm not there.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I'm not and I don't know the quarterback who's the
over overwhelming that's that's gonna change your franchise.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
So there's out of Canna.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Yeah this year. It isn't like Andrew Lux coming out.
So I understand that there are a couple of good ones.
You know, Cam Cameron Ward out of Miami is expected
to be, you know, one of the first to go,
if not shud Or Sanders is gonna be one of
the first top five six seven players to go, as
well as a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
So you have those options.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
And for me, everything you just mentioned is why I'm
looking to move on because I've given him. If I'm
the organization, we've we've done this experiment. Now this is
the fourth year of this experiment. He hasn't wiled me
per se. He hasn't been great, and there are other
folks out there available. So to me, I'm gonna do
(14:38):
a justin Field situation, you know, call up and get
a bunch of draft picks and say, hey, team who
needs a quarterback? Give me a bunch of the draft
picks so I can maybe draft.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
You're talking about when justin Field, you're talking about what
when he was?
Speaker 6 (14:51):
When he when the Pittsburgh Speard pick for him to get?
Who am I missing? Then, dude, give a bunch of
picks in it. The first to first run the first pick, Bryce.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Young, that's what you call up on them from the Bears.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
He had like a fourth round pick.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Give me the picks. Hopefully the way it works out
depending on what you give me. Like if I make
you give me a first, a fourth and the future
or whatever, I can get a quarterback and then to
as you mentioned, I can start to fill some holes
because they're not overly wowing you a talent down there
in Jacksonville. But to me, I've seen enough that I'm
okay moving on and I'll be off of that money.
(15:29):
So hopefully I can get a quarterback that's good. If
I were to get a Shador Sanders, if I were
to get a camera Ward, and I got a good
quarterback who I want a rookie deal with, so I
can't start to fill these holes with guys. I may
have to pay money. He may have to pay money
to a tackle, may have to pay money to a linebacker,
may have to pay money to a top cornerback. And
I got this hopefully good rookie quarterback because I've seen enough.
(15:51):
He hasn't been that spectacular. Eleven touchdowns, seven interceptions this year.
You look at his first two years twelve touchdowns, seventeen interceptions.
Last if you want to go, but he played more,
way more games, twenty one touchdown, fourteen interceptions. He's not
been that great. I'm not saying he's a bad quarterback,
but I'm okay venturing off now. Say we did it
(16:11):
four years, Thank you for your time.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Move on.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
I'm gonna get a new young quarterback on a rookie
deal who I believe may be comparable to you, if not,
maybe even better.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And then yeah, I'm willing to take that risk. I've
seen this experiment. Well here's a problem. Rob G's gonna
explain it to you.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well, there's two albums you can go down in this
hypothetical situation. Both of them would involve a post June
one situation because whatever reason, the way the NFL calendar works,
if you do it in February, it's worth more than
it is in June. If they were to just cut him,
which they would never do of course, now that that
would know, the dead cap number would be over two
hundred million dollars across four that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
That's that's NFL suicide.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So if you are to trade him, though, and again
people still think Trevor Lawren's got that strong jaw, he's
six five's got beautiful hair.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Remember we saw him at though he's a specific at
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Like you look at him and go like like, but
I feel like we were doing that since even college. He's
like not yeah, but how much more am I gonna be?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Just sitting here? Like?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
So if you were to trade him post June one
for next season, he would only count thirty million dollars
towards your Cap, which will be spread out over four
years in dead Cap.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
All right, he gotta go.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
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Speaker 5 (17:29):
Where are you? My phone's ringing? Hello, Trevor Revers. Nice
for sale? All right, Trevor Lawrence? Are you moving on?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Are you gonna hold on to him and finally get
some picks and fill the holes there in Jacksonville?
Speaker 5 (17:43):
There's a lot of work to do.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's nice to get a shiny new toy as a quarterback,
but if you don't have the other stuff you have
Bryce Young all over again looks good by the way
A seasons over, Brice been bolling when it mattered.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
They couldn't make they couldn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
You gotta always be careful because once the season is over,
things all of a sudden, what to.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Made a season like two three weeks he's been playing
really well?
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Cook left that man cook?
Speaker 6 (18:11):
He ain't cooking. That's that's an instant TV day. If
you don't hurry, I'm let the phone call. I'm getting
a phone car right now yet Traver. Yeah, he comes
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Speaker 2 (18:22):
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Speaker 5 (18:33):
Lions get it done.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
They win thirty four to thirty one, a lakefield goal
to uh iceter game and uh of course Lions coach
Dan Campbell's being talked about all day and there's no
way that we cannot address Dan Campbell either.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
And I'm gonna say this right off the bat. Dan Campbell.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
For as much credit and people are all excited about him,
I think he's a bad coach and I think he's
worse than Brandon Staley when he was with the Chargers
who got fired. And I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
This is not being provocative.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Or trying to change the game or having cajone's or whatever.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
This is reckless.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And the reason I say he's a bad coach and
ultimately will wind up costing the Lions a chance at
the elusive trip to the super Bowl or even a
chance to win it is because what he's doing is
unnecessary and putting his team in harm's way.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And it worked out last night, thank god.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It wasn't college rules right, because when when Jared Goff
fell but down, you know it would have been down
for right, that would have been it. He would have
been down at that spot. And I'm just saying, you
don't want to do that if you.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Don't have to.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Going forward, fourth and one, inside the thirty, I read
some stat where no team had done it in twenty
five years, since two thousand, had that even been done?
And again, guys, who I understand Lions fans and you're
one of them. You love the guy because you you
endured all the terrible years. Okay, I get it, and
(20:28):
you're like, oh, they're on the cusp and this is
the guy.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
He's unbelieve, he'd fearless and this and that.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
But if you're really honest, Dan Campbell cost you a
trip to the Super Bowl last year with the chicanery
and all of that, and he's gonna do it again.
He hasn't learned his lesson and until he gets burned.
If you remember, after the NFC Championship Game last year,
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he told the team that he probably cost him a
trip and he don't know if there's another trip. This
is unnecessary, This is not Madden. This is NFL football
with jobs and careers and legacies on the line. He
can't keep doing this. Dan Campbell, I don't care what
the results are. Is a bad coach and worse than
(21:19):
Brandon Staley. You know why Brandon Staley didn't have a
team that was had a chance to win a Super Bowl.
He was doing that nonsense and it wound up costing
him his job. But the Lions have a really good
team and a chance to win and the one week
spot is Dan Campbell.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Okay, this is where you get in trouble, Robin. This
is why I have to be here to protect you
and be there for you in times of need, because
you keep doing things like saying Patrick Mahomes is Daniel Jones.
And now you're saying that Brandon Staley has an earth
to be mentioned in the same vein as Dan Campbell,
(22:01):
who has been what twenty four and.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Six in the last two seasons. Don't forget the fotus
two years got to see well the first only on
one O.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
The year before that, I mean that year that he
went and won what six seventh straight, and then now we've.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Been on this run. So if you want to add
those two, he's been going to add his entire career
if you want to talk about him dan Kemp.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
But that's perfectly that's perfectly fine as well, because he
came in and he was struggling like any coach setting
it to there's been stink.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Of the lions who have been there for so long,
and he came in and.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Hit it with some potpourri, hitt it with some for breeze,
and we've been off ever since.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Now here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and
hope and thinking, hoping for a different result. I think
what he is doing works fine during the season, have
no problem with it. Aman Saint Brown says, I'm in
Ron Saint Brown says, we knew all the time we're
going forward and fourth out.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
That's just how we are. It's our makeup, is how
we're built. They're ready for it, he said, We're ready
for it every time. This is what we do. Even
he was a little shocked last night.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
But they've been doing this since the dan Kevill experiment
has begun, and it's worked and they've won and they've
been dominant. Here's the difference, and here's where there is
some pause for concern. If you do not learn from
your mistakes and you keep thinking that you can do
the same things in the postseason. It's literally its own
new season. Then I will have an issue. What I
(23:24):
mean is on a random Monday night, a random Thursday
night like that last night, you got sixteen seventeen weeks,
seventeen games.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Okay, you can go for it.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
You can gamble knowing if we were to lose, we
got plenty of time to make it up throughout the season.
Once you get in the postseason, it is literally a
new season, zero zero for all teams, and it is
a win or go home. So as long as he
has learned from his lesson it is mistake last year
and realizes each game, each quarter, really each drive is matters,
(23:55):
and it's different in the postseason, I'm okay with that
because then he can continue to be who he is
mentally tough. This team fights hard, they play hard, they
fight through adversity, fight through mistakes, and I love it.
But I'm banking on that he has learned from him
as a mistake last season. It will make the adjustment
needed in the postseason, not the regulation.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You have no evidence that he's changed his stripes. What
evidence do you have that come to pot season? We
know what evidence do you have? You have none. You're hoping,
you're wishing and you're praying, and you're saying last night
was a random Thursday night.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
No, the division is on the line.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Had the Packers won or Minnesota would have they would
have drawn. If they lost, that game drawn even with Minnesota,
that was an important game. That wasn't a throwaway game.
Where are you thinking that's a How is that a
random Thursday night? It would have been hell to pay
And you would have been screaming bloody murder last night.
(24:58):
And you can see there all day and everybody in
NFL America would.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Say Dan Campbell is a bad coach. Had that back then, But.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
First of all, nobody would say he's a Nobody would
say he's a bad coach. You can't, you literally cannot
say he's a bad coach. It literally does not make sense,
does not add up nothing about Dan Kemble's a bad coach. Now,
what you can say is all coaches have their issues.
Some guys can't scheme up on offense enough. Some guys
can't get their team to be disciplined and stop making
(25:27):
penalties and mental errors. Every coach has their falls, but
you cannot ever say Dan Kempbell's a bad coach. Nothing
about his tenure has equated to bad coach. In season
last season, where he had one game, you're acting as
if he didn't win all these other games to get there.
(25:47):
Let's not act like he did all of a sudden.
He's just been zero and six in the postseason. Now,
what I'm saying is this has been the makeup of
the team. This has been what they do. They go
for it. They go on the ball, no matter what
what other teams won't. They'll push through injuries, no matter what.
This is who they are, their mental makeup, they go
(26:07):
for it. They don't care who's what. If we're not
gonna we're up twenty on this bad team, we'll take
their foot off the gas. They beat you by forty
or fifty points. This is what he does. And I'm
okay with that as long as you get into the
postseason and realize, Okay, now I have to make adjustments
because it's win or go home, and that's different. That's
(26:27):
a different thing. We did what we did to get here.
We'll do what we do, but we'll make adjustments as
need be. That is a sign of a great coach,
and if he wants to become a great coach, he
will do that in the postseason as other coaches have done.
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