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December 10, 2024 35 mins

Rob and Kelvin debate whether Caitlin Clark or Shohei Ohtani was more deserving of being named TIME Magazine’s Athlete of the Year and argue whether it’s fair to keeping calling Patrick Mahomes the Michael Jordan of football. Plus, actor John Magaro swings by to discuss his upcoming movie ‘September 5’ about the 1972 Munich Olympics terrorist attacks, what it was like as a Pittsburgh Steelers fan growing up in the Cleveland suburbs, his experience watching LeBron James play basketball in high school and much more! Finally, the Odd Couple Callers bring the heat in this week’s edition of Trash Talk.

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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Time Magazine's Athlete of the Year was announced today and
it's Kaitlin Clark, and you believe she was the clear choice.
And you have no issue with Time selecting Kaitlyn Clark
from the Indiana I got a fever and I don't
know what to do with it or know? Is that
the name of the team she plays for.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, yeah, don't act like you don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
You know, you don't miss a single w NBA game,
let alone a Kaitlyn Clark game.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Come on, I never missed a WNBA know right, I
never lived watching, so I never miss it.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, I mean, you know, Look, there are a couple
of contenders, like any year that you know you could
say this person.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Don't try to steal my thun to just talk about no, no, but.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
The fact that though I'm gonna tell you it is
to me, I think it was actually a clear cut
one in this case with Caitlyn Clark what she was
able to do. And you split it up a couple
of ways for you to get Time magazine and anything.
Typically it means you were great at what you do,
but also you brought another narrative to this thing.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
You brought a bigger storyline.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
You did something globally or something that was bigger than
just simply your play. And that's what she did. So
first of all, you gotta go back. Remember she was
the darling of March Madness earlier this year, so she
was already that girl in college basketball. Women's college basketball
had everybody watching. The viewership was up in college the

(01:51):
ratings were up because of her games. She had people
talking in barbershops that never talk about women's basketball, ever
talk about women's basketball. And we were having this these conversations.
A shout out to Ada Rees and Juju Watkins a
part of this, really this nice group of young female
talented hoopers. But she was spearheading this. So now we
got us talking about college basketball. She balls out in

(02:13):
the tournament she's doing things we haven't seen a female
hooper dude hidden, just like we didn't really see men's
until Steph Curry a decade or so sooner. Then Rob,
she took over college. Now we go to the pros,
and then she takes over the pros. There's controversy in
the pros. They're hitting her around, they're pushing around, they're
treating it like this. This is dominating conversations. It's the

(02:36):
lead on all the debate shows that never happens. Rob Ever,
you and Brusonda are talking about women's college basketball, women's WNBA,
and then she starts, like most people in any sport,
starts off a little slow, gets her feet under, balls out,
and starts to set the records. We're leading the league
and assists, hitting three pointers all over the place, ends

(02:58):
up being Rookie of the Year. And we have conversations
about not only the actual Olympics, but who didn't even
make the Olympics. In her she didn't even make the Olympics,
and she was the topic of conversation for not even
making the team, and people thought they were crazy for
keeping her off. So to me, it was clear cut
when you look at the way she empowered the sport itself.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
They get charter jets.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
They got more than fifty four million unique viewers, which
is the most ever, the most watched WNBA games on
all networks where the games she played, all that, she broke,
all the WNBA home attendance records. She got me and
the Washington girls. We went and saw a game here
in LA.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
It should the people of Jersey for everybody that was
the that was the cherry called me and they said
that the Washington Cus. Yeah, okay. So you look at
what they're set to receive.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
The WNBA is set to receive two hundred million dollars
per year, which is up sixty million dollars, and she
is a large reason for that. So I just think
when I look at the economic boom because of Caitlyn Clark,
the economic woe that effects not just Herbert all of her,
the league and the league as a whole. The viewership
that is going up dramatically because of her, And not

(04:10):
to mention she was Rookie of the Year in a
heck of a player.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
I just think it's she could clearcut. It is her.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
We've never experienced a WNBA of women's basketball Boom like
this where its leading shows we're talking about it. So
to me, I think the choice was obvious and they
got it right now.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
They could not have been more wrong on this. And
Kaitln Clark had an impact. But first of all, you
mentioned a couple of things which to me takes her
out of it. She didn't win a national championship this
year as well as she played in all the other eyeballs,
and she wasn't even on the Olympic team.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
That's your athlete of the year.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
That makes no sense to me because along with the
other stuff, the window dressing that people want to give
Kaitlyn Clark. Can we talk about Sho hal Tani, who
in one year okay set them up with a seven
hundred million dollar contract, had a historic fifty to fifty
year that no one has ever done in the history

(05:07):
of Major League Baseball. That's been around for one hundred
and fifty years. May I not thirty years like the WNBA,
but one hundred and fifty years and no one had
ever done it. And he capped it off with a
World Series Championship show.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Hal Tani was must see TV.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
You could see it whenever the Dodgers were all nationally. Locally,
he was a phenomenon. You went yourself to spring training,
and tell me when you went to Arizona, was there
not a cavalcade of unbelievable fans to get a glimpse
his jersey, everything about him. And all he did was

(05:51):
move forty miles away from where he was playing and
transferred made a transfer into where baseball was. And if
you want to talk about ratings, the two thousand and
four World Series between the Dodgers and the Yankees average
twelve point nine million in Japan alone.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Which is a world series record.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
So the combined ratings for LA and Japan twenty eight
point seven million people per game. Hands down, Shoe a
Otani was the athlete of the year. The Time magazine
got it wrong, and I know, Kaitlin, there was a buzz,
But how in the world could an athlete sign a
seven hundred million dollar contract, go fifty to fifty for

(06:36):
the first time in a sport that's been around almost
two hundred years, win a World Series, and have unprecedented
TV ratings in two countries.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
I mean, come on, I'll tell you why.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Showy as you've heard me talk about and even defending him,
against you going up against him and Aaron Judge and
all that show was spectacular. But this isn't about who
is the actual maybe best athlete, but rob what makes
him phenomenal he didn't even do. What makes him a
unicorn is that he hits and pitches, and he didn't

(07:08):
even pitch this year.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
He's done it. He was more respect He was.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
More ReSpectacle the years prior to the last couple of
years because he was getting winning twenty games and in
fifty home runs and we never seen you, I'm saying,
pitching in mult more than twenty games. We had never
seen this before. That's what made him the unicorn. It
was special to see this year. The bigger argument could

(07:34):
be made about baseball as a whole then o Tani.
Baseball as a whole had a mega year. Baseball as
a whole had better story lines. Baseball was more entertaining.
You had the Tigers out of nowhere, the Yankees and Dodgers,
Bolts make it to the World seats, Oh my gosh,
the Mets, where did they come from?

Speaker 4 (07:51):
And all of a sudden you got Grimace becoming a thing.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
So I would argue more than Otani, baseball had a
bigger year. If you're gonna go on the rankings of
This Time magazine, I think it's Kaitlyn Clark, then Baseball,
then old Tony, and oh, Kaitlyn Clark is the most
casual fan or casual person conversation.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Everyone knows Kaitlyn Clark.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Oh that's that girl in the w NBA who's shooting
on those streets and doing this or causing condo.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Nobody knows show hal Time.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
A lot of people know a lot Peo. I just
said a lot of people know Sho hal Tony, but nobody.
He didn't evoke conversations like this. He started the year
with signing the contract that that people call that sief.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
No, that's true. That was the start of it.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
And then it went to the fifty to fifty, which
nobody that was the big talk. Is he gonna get
fifty to fifty and then his Dodgers win the World Series.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
This is the challenge, Rob Parkers, this is the challenge
talking to you.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
You love baseball, you are baseball and you are MLB bro.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
So you get in your echo chamber and y'all get them.
He brought it.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
You went Sean and Steve the Seger and y'all get
your little MLB on and you forget a lot of
people don't.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Necessarily. It's not that baseball is not good.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
No, no, no, no, we had This was an amazing time
covering baseball. Best I've had in years. But what I
mean is Kyler Clark was starting controversy. She ain't as
good as this. She's only getting this because she's white. No,
Angel Reese's start. This was bigger than anything. This goes
back to what made bird and magic and all.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Of these things. It involved race, It involves in the money.
She didn't win, she didn't make the Olympics.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
College Kaepernick a bit time actually playing, but the years
Astlete of the Year.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
I told you it's you can't be more than just
the actual game.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
But he encompassed everything. I mean, Oh, Tony did everything.
Set set the market value on on salary, and we.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Passed it in the year.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
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Speaker 1 (10:07):
It is the odcover Rock Parker, Kevin Washington. We're joined
right now with a special guest. We have John mcgarow
actor and gonna be in the upcoming film September five,
which releases here at select cities November twenty ninth and
also nationally on December thirteenth, which is a film about
the crisis that happened in Munich during the Olympics back
in nineteen seventy two.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
John, thank you for joining kaus right, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
John, Hey, Rovin Calvin, I'm gonna correct you. And actually
they pushed the date so it actually comes out in
New York and LA December thirteenth, and then it comes
out there January tenth.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Okay, Okay, so they switched to date. So you know
we are here, John, you know we're on Hollywood.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
We're used to that. We know how it goes, we
know the business.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, John, tell us about the movie because this sounds
like it's going to be intense and riveting and interesting.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
Yeah, I mean it is. This was a crazy event.
I think a lot of people know about it. And remember,
I know been going around with this and people I've
talked to who were alive during the seventy two Munich Olympics.
It's one of those moments that they remember vividly. Sitting
in front of their TV watching Jim McKay relay the
tragic news about the Israeli hostages who were unfortunately killed

(11:20):
on that day. But beyond that, it was also just
a moment that forever changed sports broadcast history. You know,
was the first time a live global Olympics and live
tragic event was shared all over the world by satellite.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
You know, I had a chance John to talk to
Peter Sarsgar, who was in this movie at the I
did the thing for the La Times, and he talked
about just how difficult that was back then and how
what the decisions that were made affect us now, whether
it be with television, social media.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
We won't show anybody running across a baseball field now, Yeah,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
It's decision I mean he made in real time.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Yeah, I mean, I think it wasn't really until then
that they realized how parallel, you know, the news and
the sports world are. I mean, we were just in
San Francisco the other day and we were reminiss I
was looking out at the Bay Area Bridge and we
were talking about the eighty nine World Series where you know,
they had to switch on a dime to covering from

(12:19):
the from the World Series to covering an earthquake. So
it's something that keeps happening in sports. And really Rune
Arlich and this sports crew for ABC who was on
the ground in Munich on that day were the ones
who invented this this way of broadcast.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
And I remember Howard Cosell, right, wasn't he a part
of the cassette?

Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah, Howard Cassell was in the Olympic village, Peter Jennings
and all and all of it was being relayed through
this studio which we recreate with our set and Jim McKay,
who we have. You know, we got the real tape,
so it's that actual footage from ABC, the real Jim McKay.
It's not an actor playing in And you watched Jim
McKay on the screen, we realized why he was so

(13:00):
loved through households all over the country.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, that broadcast team, you know, run Olidge was running
ABC Sports back then and they had nothing Howard co Sell.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
For people who.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Don't know who that is or having heard, I mean
another legendary broadcaster. Peter Jennings went on to be the
ABC News anchor for a long time on that network.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I mean I remember as a kid hearing how it
co sell on that it was something that that just
sounds like that.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
The guy, the guy who this is the story of
the guy I played on, Jeffrey Mason, who's actually getting
honored at the Sports Broadcast Hall of Fame. He went
on to run NBC Sports. So all these people in
that room that day went on to do extraordinary things
in the career. And and and even you know a
lot of people don't know this, but Sean McManus, who

(13:51):
ran CBS CBS, Yeah, exactly for a long time. Jim
McKay's son, who was there in Munich during all this,
just as a teenager just hanging out, you know, dad
having fun.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
John macguar our guest actor in the new movie that's
gonna be coming out at the end of the year.
And then two next year September five. By the way, John,
we were talking about this and in September September five
or fifth.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Five September five. Yeah, see, we're just going hard on it.
We're going that's hard on five.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
That's what I was telling them earlier to They were
gonna name them the Jackson Fifth but then they didn't
think that that sounded good.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
Book.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
This is what I'm dealing with.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Hey, let me let me ask you this, let me
parallel kind of your path, your career. I remember You
and the Big Short, one of one of my favorite
films of the last ten twelve years or so. How
would you look at staying in the career? We know
acting is hard a lot of folks. You keep grinding,
keep grinding til you get some breaks, so you get

(14:53):
some big opportunities. Similarly to sports, right, you you make
it to the league, but maybe you don't, haven't made
a name for yourself, and you're grind, you grind.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
You're climbing, you're climbing. Is there a parallel between the two?

Speaker 5 (15:04):
I think so. I still feel like I'm on special teams,
waiting to be put in a second, second.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Thing, block a few kicks.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Hey, don't don't mess up like the Cowboys special teams.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
I'm yeah, that's a great lot.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
This week, there was a lot of bumbling around with
footballs on the on the returns this week.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yeah, Clay, are you a big time sports fan yourself?
Where where you're from? Who are your teams?

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Well, I'm I'm Cleveland, I'm Cleveland. So all the Clevelanders
are going to understand what I'm about to say. I'm Cleveland,
but I'm a Steelers fan because my dad was from
Pittsburgh and there was no there was no love for
the Browns in our household. So we're Steelers throwing through
and I'm glad they're having a big I was worried, man,
I was worried about that quarterback situation. But Tomlin figured

(15:49):
it out, and Wilson is stepping up to the to
the challenge. It's stunning to watch the confidence he has.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
He's played really well, yeah, really well.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Yeah, he's doing really great, really great. Look.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
So so let me ask you, So you're a Guardians fan.
That series against the Yankees was on the adderous seed.
I know that's tough when when when you know the
Yankees a club and those big home runs off of
Class A, who was one of the best closers in baseball?

Speaker 4 (16:16):
How was that to watch?

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Were used to it in Cleveland with Guardians to be
the story? You know what I will say is it's
a young team. I didn't even think they were going
to make it that far. So I'm you know, I'm
impressed by them and I'm just glad that the Yankees
got their due from the Dodgers and they got embarrassed
in that World Series that way, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Hey, I got to you know what Rob you made
me think of like when you were a younger Cleveland there.
I don't know if you were in LA, Hollywood and
New York at the time, but you know that's the
whole team where your team do what you want to do,
or a team.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
I'm burning your jersey, Lebron.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
I'm I'm I'm burning the jersey to first go around
and then praising him.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
When he came in.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
He came back right right, so he's like.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
You know, he did the right thing. He came back
and he uh he brought that championship. So you know,
he's he can be the mayor of Cleveland. You know,
he could run and live in LA and they're going
to vote for him. He's just a legend there. And
I got to tell you a story, you know, like
as a sports fan, I grew up actually near Akron
and my girlfriend at the time, her dad taught for
Saint Vincent, Saint Mary, and they're like they're like, you

(17:24):
got She's like, you got to come to this game
at the high school. I'm like, I don't know, man,
I don't want to go.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
High school game right, not our store.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
And she's like, no, this guy's the next Jordan. And
we go there and I'm gonna be honest with you.
He was very good, but like it's a high school game,
and I couldn't tell just how good he was. But
I had the privilege of seeing him his senior year
of high school at Saint Vincent Saint Mary's.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
That is that's pretty amazing when people are like, yeah,
you got to come see this guy, and you're like,
I don't want to go to a high school game,
and then you wind up watching one of the guys
who's going to wind up being second, who's second to
Michael Jordan's.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
So we got Unbeliever.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Let me ask you this, though, John, movies, I'm into
like classic movies. I'm just curious as an actor, Like,
what if you had to name a couple of your
favorite movies. My my all time favorite is The Wizard
of Oz, closely behind This Planet of the Apes the original,
Like those.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Two movies are my favorite movies.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
I know, I know it is, Oh my gosh, I know,
but Charleston. Hester was great, and you know, it's the
first color movie and the Wizard of Oz and all that.
What about you have you had a what's your favorite movie?

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Curious?

Speaker 5 (18:32):
Yeah, I mean it's hard. There's a lot out there.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
So Citizen Kane, no Citizen k.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
So you know, actually, we just showed my daughter, she's
sworn a half. We showed her a Wizard of Oz
over Thanksgiving for at first she's still a little scared
of the Witch.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Everybody was. Everybody as a kid was scared of the Witch.
And just it's one.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
Of those movies you watch and you remember. You just
get reminded of how one how amazing that movie is,
and it really is for me. Goodfellas Held is a
big place in my heart. That's the last movie, the
movie I've watched over and over again that my dad
and I shared, last movie we watched together before he
passed away. That's the big one. Also, h you know,

(19:18):
I this is a weird one. The longest day. Do
you remember that one? It's it's it's a World War
two movie, but like told as kind of Normandy and
the and young Sean Connery in it, but a kind
of a precursor to Saving Private Ryan.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, all right, so you gave us,
you gave us a variety of mix of kind of relatively.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
We could keep going. But I'm just.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Saying because at least you gave me something that was
not the first color movie.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
But you know what what Kelvin doesn't understand is it's
about uh contexts, classics.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Uh, those are some great movies. Okay, here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
The Planet of the Apes, the original one that Rod
Serland helped write.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
You don't think that's a great movie.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
I'm serious, it's a great movie.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Just think because you think about, like what they were doing.
You know, nowadays special effects we take it for granted, right,
Like I go back you know, like two thousand and
one Space Odyssey. What Cooper was doing in the late
sixties with is you know, real equipment and making these
special effects. It's it's unbelievable. And they were doing the
same thing Planet of the Apes, right.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Everybody in the planet that's not some computer generating people,
all those people in costumes, right, that's incredible what they did.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Incredible.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
How do you feel about the new ones?

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Terrible? I can't watch them.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Terrible, disrespect don't disrespect seas are like that. I'm sorry,
those things are lit. John, Before we let you go
real quick, just tell us real quick one more time.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Why don't you see this film? And when they can.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
See it, I mean, listen, this is a thrilling movie.
It's only ninety three minutes. It's gonna keep you on
the edge of your seat and you're gonna you're gonna
be entertained and thrilled and emotional and all that stuff.
But also for this audience out there who loves sports,
this was a moment, the great moment in sports history.
And you get a live it with the real ABC
News team and some amazing performances from the rest of

(21:22):
the cast, and it's just it's unlike anything out there
right now. And you know, go out and see it
as soon as you can, all right.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Jean Mcarthoth, thank you so much, man, wishing you everybody
in the film a great go and hopefully it does
as well.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
See you guys.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
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Speaker 4 (21:49):
There's all these comparison, Rob g Let's just I want
you to set it up.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
So Patrick Mahomes was asked about this Michael Jordan comparison
and Patrick's parted it.

Speaker 6 (22:01):
Just in all fairness to Patrick Mahomes, the article was
about much more than just the Michael Jordan comparison.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
It was what he was asked about it. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
It was about his career and and you know they
called it the box that he's living in in all
fats to football. You know, his his family's very involved
with politics. You know, his brother's been arrested, his dad's
been arrested. And somehow Patrick Mahomes at the teflon Don
because all they care about is the way he plays football. Well,
later on in the article, he's asked about the inevitable

(22:30):
Michael Jordan comparisons, which, if you ask former Odd Couple
member Rest in Peace Chris Broussard, he's the one who
started the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Cording to Chris, he said, you want to drop to
your knee.

Speaker 6 (22:40):
Chris claims that he's the one who started the MJ.
Mahomes comparison. Well, Patrick was asked about it, and here's
what he said. Quote obviously, that's the hope to be
someone like Michael Jordan who has an impact on the game.
I want to be remembered for winning, obviously, but I
also want to remember for how much fun it was
to watch me play. For the person I was on
the I have that fire. I want people to enjoy

(23:03):
the moment every time.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
All right, Rob G Calvin, thank you. I got only
one thing to say.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Patrick Mahomes is officially out of the Michael Jordan comparison.
Sorry to say, he is no Michael Jordan. And I'm
gonna give you the reasons why. I know people want
to push this narrative, Chris Bussard and other people. It's
just not a legitimate or fair comparison to Michael Jordan.

(23:35):
We're watching Patrick Mahomes in his prime right now. Last
season and this season he's having two of the worst
seasons of his career. Michael Jordan and his prime didn't
have down seasons that we're talking about this year where
they're twelve and one. His numbers are all time worse
in his career. How can you compare that to Michael Jordan,

(23:58):
who ended his career with the Wizards. His second to
last year average almost twenty three points.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
His last year, he averaged twenty.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Michael Jordan never had mediocre seasons ever in his entire
career en route to six championships.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Is another quarterback when you talk about the Super Bowls
and all the winning. There was a big story that
came out before last Super Bowl. I believe it was
Sports Illustrated.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Rob g. Sports Illustrated put out kelvin the.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Top twenty five quarterback Super Bowl performances.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
This is before last Super Bowl. How many times.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Did Patrick Mahomes appear in the article for the top
twenty five quarterback Super Bowl performances?

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Do you have a guess the way you're sounding none, Yes,
there you go, zero z zero row.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
He was not in one of them, and that was
before he won the third one. So he won two
and he didn't have a moment because he didn't play
that well. At one point he was like one to
one with touchdowns and interceptions in Super Bowls.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Okay, and they won last year.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
They won the Super Bowl, and you can rank and
say give most of the credit to the defense that
won that Super Bowl last year.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
And here's the last point supposed to be Michael Jordan
do something special.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
The whole idea that he has three super Bowls.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
And three super bowl I should say, winning three super
Bowls before age twenty seven.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Guess what other players have done.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
It, including Troy Aikman won three Super Bowls before age
twenty seven. How is that special if other people have
accomplished the same thing. If he was the only one
to do it, I would have to look at it
totally different. But it tells you that if you were
on a good team like Troy Aikman was as possible
they were. They won three out of four Super Bowls

(26:04):
and they were a dynasty. I'm not trying to undress
anything that Patrick Mahomes has done in his career. He's
had a fabulous career thus far. But the Michael Jordan
comparison is overblown, especially in having such a mediocre season
this year. Michael Jordan and I don't care who you are,

(26:26):
Lebron fan, Michael Jordan fan. I dare you to tell
me when Michael Jordan had a mediocre season his career,
because he didn't have one.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
In his career.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yes, okay, first of all, Michael Jordan did have mediocre
points in his career. See, this is where people become
selective when it comes to Jordan. And I'm not here
to talk about Jeor. Jordan's the greatest of all time.
So but the idea that he was perfect every year,
he didn't win for a quite a few years. He

(27:00):
didn't win until nineteen ninety one. He was in the
league in nineteen eighty four. Y'all gotta stop acting like
he came walks right into the league of winning. Meaning
he had years where he put up a bunch of
points and it wasn't amounting to anything.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Scoring a lot.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Of points, wasn't going anywhere in the postseason, scoring a
bunch of buckets, and Isaiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird
all patted him on the head like, oh, he's so
cute all that. So hey, one day you'll be like us.
So let's stop acting like he walked right in to rings.
Oh wait, you know who did, Patrick Mahomes. So he
walks right into the NFL, has multiple MVPs, has multiple

(27:37):
three Super Bowl rings already, he's twenty seven years old.
So the idea that he might play another ten to
twelve years is scary of what this man might accomplish
because there's a great chance he could win this year.
Now you want to say Troy Aikman did something like
this again, all Troy Aikman. Troy Aikman was Ray Allen

(27:57):
with the Big Three in Boston. When it came to
the Dallas Cowboys team, heck of a player, but he
wasn't the.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Guy on the team.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
He was probably third behind Michael Irvin, behind Emma Smith.
You can argue Larry Allen in some of those offensive
linemen as well. Patrick Mahomes is the best player on
this team that has been spectacular, that has won twelve
games this year. Now, it's not about him being Michael
Jordan right now, the point is could he be. Tom

(28:25):
Brady is considered the greatest quarterback of all time. Tom
Brady didn't do it with the pizzazz, the flair, the
style of a Patrick Mahomes, and that's also what elevates
him and why he has the potential to be the
Jordan of quarterback play. Tom Brady is more of a
Tim Duncan. It was team oriented, we got the job done,
fell off for seven eight years, bounced back, comeback. He's

(28:48):
very much Tim Duncan as far as the you know
the parallels of the career. Patrick Mahomes is looking like
Jordan because of what he's doing. And in fact, again
I bring up, he's already done half of what Jordan did.
When you talk about winning at twenty seven, Robbie might
go on another ten to twelve years. So what he's done
has been remarkable and it's been something that again why

(29:08):
people say he's Jordan esque.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
It's not saying that he's gonna be better than Jordan.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Obviously it's hard to compare when you're talking about two
different sports. But what he's done is Jordan's. When do
it with style, do it with flair, and make it
so entertaining everybody wants to watch you or hate you.
He's done that.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
And and have mediocre back to back seasons like last year.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Can you admit he had a bad season last year?
No it was not. Yes he did, Yes, he did
he bad No, No it was bad bad season? It was, yes,
he had those teen interceptions. He had a bad I'm
not a bad season, Yes it is.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Quinn is in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
You know how many times he threw thirteen interceptions last year.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
If you watched him, you're gonna say, this year, all
of his stats, I'm not even it is not a
just this is my feelings.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
He's a fact. They're all worst this year, his numbers,
that's all the time, he's in his prime. Why would
you be raking we're gonna have.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
The worst numbers of his career. And that's what I'm saying,
that's the separation. You talk about the super Bowl, but
they can't find you one, not one performance in the
super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
To put him in the top twenty five.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
This ain't the top five moments, the top three moments.
They're saying, he's not even in the top twenty five.
This is Michael Jordan. This is Jordanesque. No dain' it's nice.
He's had a tremendous career. Let him stand on his
own two feet. Get me answer Jordan's the question. Michael
Jordan's question. No Chris, no Calvin, nobody, who's gonna host

(30:43):
the show ten years from now? No, no, no, he's
not Jordanesque Jordan.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
He might end up and it was quite possible he
could have four super Bowl rings by the age. Why
he's twenty seven years old. That's crazy And for you
not to acknowledge how crazy that is. For him to
win at such a high clip is crazy. For him
to make every time make the right play is absolutely remarkable.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
And you act like you act like the coach doesn't
play anything into Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Because Michael Jordan didn't win until he got Phil Jackson.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
If you really want to bring coaches up Phil Jackson,
just let's get the Phil Jackson.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Andy Reid thro touchdown pass.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
They went to four They went to four NFC Championship
games in Pittsburgh. They won with Alex Smith. They were
in the playoffs. They just couldn't win playoff games. But
all I'm saying is Andy Weid, everybody who's want played
under that system has excelled.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Phil Jackson, Kobe and Jack didn't win nothing. Shack didn't
win none until he got Phil Jackson. Michael Jordan didn't
win anything till he got Phil Jackson. So we can
do the same thing. No, we can't do that. What
are you talking about? Phil Jackson. Kobe Bryant won all
of his rings with who, Michael Jordan won all of
his rings with who?

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Did you look at that it? Do you want to
do that? We want to do that.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
If we want to do the coaches thing, are you
just some of the two of the top three four
six greatest basketball players are we can say, well, y'all
wouldn't have been nothing if y'all don't have Phil Jackson.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
You don't even believe that.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
You are saying that, you really believe Michael Jordan won
and won a championship with any a different coach, No
sim asking you he.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
Would have won six. I can't tell you he would
have won six. He'd tell you Michael Jordan won all
six MVPs.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Michael Jordan was that guy averaged thirty points in the postseason.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I don't buy bastball player of all time, that is undeniable.
But who has a potential to be the greatest football
player of all time?

Speaker 4 (32:38):
My home to be Brady?

Speaker 3 (32:40):
When when it well, in the biggest moment, he couldn't
do that. He didn't beat Brady. You want to talk
about that was a moment that you you want to
talk about planning somebody and saying somebody's.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Jordan ask he had a chance to do it. He
didn't get it done. You know what's crazy?

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Tom Brady played until he was about forty what two
three four five years old? Patrick Mahomee still has seventeen
years to go. We marry well, very well, maybe looking
at the greatest football player to ever live, because God
knows how gaudy his numbers and his accolades will be.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Can I give you Patrick mohoell for fifteen years? Let
me give you Patrick mahomes super Bowl numbers?

Speaker 4 (33:16):
You ready? This is the one that you're saying is
Jordans in the Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Sixty five percent completion, two hundred and sixty seven passing yards, right, okay,
seven touchdowns and five interceptions and a passer rating of
eighty five.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
You know how much lower that is than his career
in the Super Bowl it's an eighty five.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
That's why he's not on the top twenty five list
of moments for quarterbacks here because he hasn't performed that well.
And I'm not saying that they haven't won, but we
give too much credit to quarterbacks. Seven touchdowns and five
picks is not jordanst That's what I'm trying to tell you.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Only here's the difference why I think why Jordan is
the greatest, and I'm saying he has a chance to
get there because he has ten, twelve, thirteen more years.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
If he wins, he don't keep winning. When you go
that far, let me stop. You literally won.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
No, No, tom Brady went nine years in between his championships.
He went nine years without winning. You don't for nobody
remembers that, and that can happen. Andy Reid can retire.
The team is already coming undone. They don't have money
for everybody, they're losing people, whatnot. You think they're gonna
win it the same clip. You think Andy Weed's gonna

(34:28):
coach ten years.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
He doesn't come on man the same way Tom Brady didn't.
Tom Brady had years off, multiple years. You just mentioned it,
came back and won. You win this year, that's four.
If he don't win again for five, doesn't win this year.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Now, if he doesn't win this year and then Fenn
plays ten more years and doesn't win, you still think
he's Jordan Us.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
The dude can't yet. Is he still putting up crazy
numbers yet?

Speaker 3 (34:53):
No, he's the Buddy's not. That's what I'm saying. He's
in his prime. He's not putting up crazy numbers.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Now.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
What I'm saying is if he can used to ball
out and have twelve and one season that's extreme. So
let's say he loses three or four for another five
ten years as you mentioned, then yes, it could very
well be that if he gets to a super Bowl
but losers, or he gets an AMC championship. My point
is what he has done already. Jordan didn't do for years.

(35:18):
He already has done it. By twenty seven, Jordan won
his first one.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
You know I've been in the Super Bowl. Garoppolo hurts
and party.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Now make me pull up some of the guys. Joe
Montana beat Yo guy.
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