December 11, 2024 • 36 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us the biggest reason why NBA television ratings have fallen off a cliff the last few years, and the Odd Couple Crew debates the greatest New York City musicians in this week’s edition of One’s Gotta Go. Plus, The Athletic NBA reporter Joe Vardon swings by to discuss NBA TV ratings, LeBron James unexplained absence from the Los Angeles Lakers and much more!
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Speaker 5 (01:20):
That's right, man, You and I have been talking about
it for a little bit too, that the NBA is
having an issue that other sports aren't having or definitely
not at least at the magnitude in which the NBA
is having it, and that is viewership issues. You know,
yesterday you and I were talking about Caitlyn Clark, whether
she should have been Time Athlete of the Year, whatever
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side you come out on it on. One thing we
talked about was the WNBA viewership was up. You got
Women's tournament, viewership was up. You talk about the Major
League Baseball this year, what was the common denominator again,
viewership was up. The NFL has averaged more the highest
they've had seventeen point three million viewers. It's hyat since
twenty fifteen, so they've gone up as well. So everybody's
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kind of having this or at least at worse, they're
staying packed. If not, they're moving up with viewership, and
the NBA has been the opposite.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
The NBA has gone down.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
You're talking about down double digits, ten percent from last year.
You're looking at the NTS and tournament right now. The
NBA Cup is down ten percent and it did pretty
well actually last year. Not the case this year in
the NBA this year as a whole is twenty eight
percent down year over year. That's crazy, almost a third
percent down and really almost half rob since twenty twelve,
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forty eight percent down. Viewership has gone down since twenty
I'm not surprised at all. I'm not so you start to, okay,
if you're saying why why? What is the issue here? Well,
for me, it comes down to three things. One, Steph
Curry has ruined the NBA. That's the first one, and
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I'll explain what I mean. Curry is the greatest shooter
we have ever seen. Steph Curry is a wonderful talent,
one of the greatest players of all time. But he
has a natural gift, also a gift that he has
honed in on his craft and gotten better at, and
that has the ability to shoot threes, ability to shoot
from deep, ability to take shops that and most of
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the time growing up, you'd be on the bench if
you took that shot.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
He mastered it.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
He's great and it is the reason why he's been
spectacular fun to watch him. The problem is the second point,
nerds with numbers analytics has starting to ruin the game.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
And I don't even just mean basketball. I mean baseball.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Baseball had to mess around and retweak some things because
they got too carried away, carried about the numbers. Football,
they had to retweak some things. They got too carried
about passing. That's why we're seeing this resurgence in running
the ball in defense. Well, the NBA isn't there yet.
It's all a bunch of nerds saying a three is
worth more than two, and if you draw a file,
it's worse.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
The guy guys oh, just trying to draw files.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
And they saw Steph Curry hitting these threes and they said, well,
we need to do more of that. The problem is
everybody can't shoot like Steph Curry. Everybody isn't built like
Steph Curry. I don't need my seven foot center shooting
threes because analytically, if you shoot it in, if you
happen to make it sad, they're taking away from what
made the game great. And my last point I told
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you was three is I blame jay Z not because
all the other stuff. You know, I'm saying. Jay Z
for years said I don't write rhymes. I don't write rhymes,
and people started other rappers started to go, well, he
don't write rymes.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
So I ain't gonna write hymes.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
What they missed was his point was while he was
out in the streets hustling, he couldn't write down his rhymes,
so he had to mentally write them down. They were
still coherent, they were still written. And what happened with music,
specifically hip hop, everybody started to be him and I
don't write rhymes, go in there and let the spirit move.
I'm a freestyle and music started to become trashed because
guys were trying to emulate him, similarly to how guys
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are trying.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
To emulate Steph Curry. Everybody can't do it.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Everybody ain't built for it, and they shouldn't have nerds
who never even played the sport telling this or how
to be played, and it's made it unwatchable at times.
And then you also add in the last league the
load management. Everybody became I gotta win the championship. I
got load management. I gotta wait, I gotta wait, I
need the rest, I need this, And it starts to
be like, well, shoot, if you don't care, I don't care.
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If you ain't playing the night, well I guess I'll
wait till the playoffs. When you do care and you
combined all that, you put it in a blender to me,
and you have the recipe to being forty eight percent
down viewership in the last to attend to twelve years.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Of stuff, and mostlyed to blame for me is the
three the other night, the thunder in the first half
took thirty one threes.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Thirty one threes. Like, seriously, thirty one threes? Who wants
to watch that? Seriously?
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Who and aint Larry Bird shooting twenty threes either?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You know, those guys didn't even come close to that.
They needed three, They would take a three, they warned
up there just chucking up threes. We saw an All
Star game where the final score was over two hundred
and you're asking why people don't don't want to watch
the All Star Game anymore? Why people don't want to
watch a lot of these games because they're just not
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aesthetically pleasing. There's more to basketball than just making threes,
either three or dunk.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
At the basket. My god, really, is that all we
want to see?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And I think fans have revolted. I mean they're just like,
I don't want to watch this. I've been covering the
NBA since nineteen eighty seven. I've said a million times.
I've set courtside some of the biggest moments in NBA history.
I was there when Michael Jordan made that shot over
Craig e Low in Cleveland. I was there, And you
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know what, the brand of basketball. I'm not an old
guy yelling out a cloud.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Kelvin.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know this.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
It's just not fun to watch. It's not.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's not I don't care what you say. It's not
hating on the younger generation. Oh yeah, everything was better
in the old days. No, these are young people who
aren't watching the NBA the way they used to.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
When when the.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Pistons, sorry Rob g beat the Lakers in two thousand
and four, Yes he hates it. I went to I
was a columnist for the Detroit News. Covered Kelvin every
game you had to go watch. I watched every game
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from two, nothing all the way through the game. Can't
watch the whole game anymore. It just doesn't work for me.
It doesn't just I'm not excited about it. There were
a ton of a ton of players, and we get
it Lebron's older and staff or whatever. But there's some
other players that we nobody wants to see Wimby.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
I keep hearing all that.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
No start, you don't want to see Wimby. Will you
want to say, John Moran you want to see? I
mean like there are some names and people you don't
want to see any of those guys.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
The issue, too, Rob, is that if you look at
some of the greats and you look at what they
were great, at what we say about MJ. Fade away.
MJ was midranging you to death? So would he not
be that guy now? Because technically you better to shoot
the three, so you have to shoot the three. Tim
Duncan was fundamental post moves all galore, off the glass,
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off the glass. Kevin McHale was an artist down there.
Mid Ranging you to death was Larry Bird. Magic Johnson
was running the show, getting guys easy buckets, easy buckets
in the paint wherever it matter out, you know, fast
break whatever, easy buckets.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
How many teams are historical teams we love to talk
about because it was what defense hard knows and we've
lost that, the competitiveness, the edge, And maybe it is
hard to feel that way when I'm a middling player
and I'm making fifteen eighteen, twenty million dollars a year,
And maybe it's hard, but I just think the game
has lost it again, the artistry.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
It used to be.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Patrick Ewing was a big man who could hit the elbow,
but he could post up. He was aggressive, block and shot,
Like where is that? That was regular? Meaning he was him?
It was David Robertson. It was a keim of Lajawan.
It was Scheck. It can go down the line. That
wasn't just an anomaly where like, oh we got Yo Kitch,
the one big guy who's in UNBI who used post moves,
you know what I mean, Like it was a multitude
of post moves. It was a multitude of point guards
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who got in the pain, who distributed. It was a
multitude of the guys who could shoot. We had every
type of way, type of game Kareem with the skyhook,
And we've lost that. We've lost the competitiveness. And I
just think all of these things, and lastly too, all
of these kids play. You're not a real You're not
You don't care about your game in current basketball, if
you're a teenager, if you don't have your own private trainer,
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if you don't have your own personal private trainer who's
teaching you how to basically essentially find a way to
do a step back three. That's why they all that
saw all they do, and it's the reason why I
tell young people I said the same thing. It ain't me,
hayten just because I'm a little bit older than you.
It's that, Yes, I will give you if these most
of these guys can probably dribble better than all the
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guys previously. I'll give you that maybe a center can
dribble better than maybe, but they don't know how to
play basketball better than them the actual play the game,
win the game.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I can I also give you. I want to give
you here. Here's a good comparison. This will help you. You ready,
in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, the Warriors three point attempts
per game?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
You ready take a guess.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
In twenty fifty sixteen, they're probably shooting about twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Okay, close thirty one point six. They were first in
the NBA.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
You got me, I don't even want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
The Raptors in twenty four to twenty five are averaging
thirty one point one.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Three point attempts per game.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Where do they rank compared to the Warriors were ranked
first at thirty one point six in twenty fifteen. Twenty sixteen,
the Raptors thirty one point one. Now this season, what
do they rank?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Are they twenty twentieth?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
How about dead last?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And there you go, thirty one point one is dead
last in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
And is that I tell you something right there?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Tells you because everybody isn't made to shoot these things.
And that's the challenge too, is that you're telling them no.
The money and I mean, the analytics say this, So
then you got guys who should never be shooting these
shooting these because I won't get in trouble. The reason
why we didn't shoot when I played in high school
and when you were playing back in the day as
a kid, everybody was playing or if you played it,
and I don't care if it's elementary, high school, or college,
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it was a bad shot. And it's not that it's
saying let's try to get an easier one. Let's work
it in and if it's there, it's there. If it's
a wide open three, you gotta take. I give with
the defense, you know, take it, but the identity just
come down and chuck it. Out the blue and it's
something to say about LaMelo. Ball's fun to watch, but
it's a wonder why it's gifted as he is, his
team ain't winning. You can't just take shots from the
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logo all the time and think that's just a great
shot all the time. Steph Curry is gifted. He works
at it. He has a special gift. Literally, it's the
reason why he's amazing at golf. I guarantee you he's
great at darts. His hand eye coordination is special. I
don't need I don't need six foot ten guy I've
never even heard of, as I swear to I'm watching
it right now. That's what just happened, is I said
(12:34):
it this Atlanta. In the next game, some guy literally
don't even know just shooting the three, shooting the three,
Like what.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Are we doing there?
Speaker 5 (12:41):
And it becomes and slowly, slowly but surely, fans are like, eh,
it's not even funny Moore and it's not good anymore.
And then again, I think low management plays a role
when guys are sitting down too.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
People definitely got turned off by that. They're paying big money.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
For ten I'm going to y' don't know, I'm all
excited out push my date. Hey, baby, let's you do
it Friday. It's a big game Thursday night on what
nobody's playing? Hey, I bought this ticket to take my
little son. It's gonna be the one time you go
to nobody's playing. So I think all of these things,
you add it up, you slowly get a fan base
who has options. By the way, who has I can
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just see the clips. I can just do prize picks.
I can just you know. I'll be on my phone
on YouTube, Instagram. It'll show me some clips later. And
I think it's starting to hurt the game a bit
a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Actually, all right, has Steph Curry invertedly made the NBA
hard to watch these days? We'll continue this conversation next
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Speaker 4 (14:48):
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Speaker 3 (14:49):
I mean the commissioner try to say, oh, the World
Series and the election and all that. It's not true,
like the other sports aren't suffering like the NBA.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
And it can't be rough forty eight percent in we'd
be like, all right, we had one random dip off
the last couple. Yeah, okay, dude, year over year over
year and to your point, baseball historic year. Not obviously
it was a literal dream situation, but so it happened.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
It happened, dream situation.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Women's College Basketball WNBA NFL's up best rating since in
twenty seventeen. I mean, everybody else winning, you know, and
this has been the most star driven league, you know,
and so used to have to start figuring out why.
So we came up with some reasons why. When we
say the three ball, I say Steph Curry, not to
him individually, but people three ball.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Or lack of fund the metal style of play. We
already know that a right rubbed a lot of people
the wrong way. And the prices, dude, like, there's a
lot of stuff that pushed fans away.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Price is getting crazy out here, all right.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
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Let's take some calls. Let's go to Paul and Texas. Paul,
you're on the odd couple. Fox Words Radio.
Speaker 9 (16:03):
Boy Ron Barker, love you, love the addition of Kevin Washington,
Love the show, guys.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 9 (16:09):
Is the last game I went to was last year
with Rockets and Bucks, and I want to say I
was probably not even halftime that the score was getting
close to one hundred points, and all it was just
shoot a three, run to the other side, shoot a three,
run to the other side. And as I was watching
the game, all these kids in front of me is
like ten twelve year olds. You're all excited, and I
was like, this is not enjoyable, and this this is
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going to be the last game I ever go to,
the last game I ever come and see. And sure enough,
now there's a tea game on TV. I don't even
bother watching it, but I was listening to you guys.
I think I just realized it's just more the generational
I'm forty one years old, so I think anybody in
their thirties and older they're getting pushed off where maybe
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ten year olds and twenty year olds, that's just kind
of what they're going to be getting used to. It's
just a generational show.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I get that black people all watching knowing, but they're
watching all this.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
That's the part.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
So it says something about the game, and I'll say this, Paul,
remember one not long ago where baseball had the issue
of either strikeout or a home run. Fans didn't like
that game. Nobody wants to see a strikeout or home run.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
And ten pitching changes. Nobody wanted to see that. Yep.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
And that's why I give baseball credit that they are
we got to change something, and they start to figure
it out. And ultimately, look, man, y'all getting on his
money because the TV deals and if TV ratings go down,
TV places are going to be like, well we paying
y'all billions of dollar four, ain't nobody watching? And last point,
to take a quick call, Paul was right. I coached
my daughter's little team was like four to six year olds.
When I tell you, at six year olds on a
little eight foot rim chuck it out from half court.
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It was the craziest thing to see rob because all
their favorite players, that's what they do. So no one
was trying to I get to the whole passive mid rate.
It was just all chuck it up. And I'm like,
what is going on even in four to six year olds?
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Sake some more calls, you know what.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I coached a little toddler team two years and three
year olds, and when they had a load management problem
with something else.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Hey, I'm gonna be I ain't gonna be on This
is Alex bab I love you. Oh be in l
a Obi. You're on the Robbie.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (18:17):
Mister Parker? What are you gonna be? When is your
next comedy show?
Speaker 6 (18:23):
After the Super Bowl in March?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I'm getting back on the stage, all right.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
I'm waiting for it. I'm waiting for it. I wanted
to say that, first of all, thank you for talking
about the fact that coaches and teams themselves have to
blame for this. Uh. When the coach tells the player
they're not playing coach, the players typically listen to their
coaches and they don't play. And I think a lot
of these coaches are falling into this bad trap that
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you mentioned that, Oh, we're just gonna wait for the
playoffs and number two and it's gonna take a brave coach,
a brave team to go against the grain and bring
back post to player and mid range and have that win,
and that wins. Then some people stop moving back to that.
That's that's my opinion.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I think that No, no, no, I don't disagree, No, I don't.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Yeah, bring up a good point. Thank you for a call.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
And that's why Thanks Aby, That's why Jokis was important.
We started to see, oh, you can operate from inside out,
you know what I mean. And the Denver Nuggets then't
just chuck up a lot of threes. Jamal Murray mid
range a lot of times.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Jokids.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
We already with the mid Kawhi Lennon and went all
the way win the championship. We ain't seen a Raptor since,
so it absolutely works. Let's squeeze in one more. Let's
go to Andrew and Bakersfield. Andrew, you and the I
Cup of Rock Parker, Kevin.
Speaker 10 (19:40):
Washington, what's up guys? For me, it's load management and injuries.
All the injuries. I played soccer. I think these guys
should train with professional soccer players. But the load management.
My friend and I grew up playing in his driveway.
He was Nick van Exel. I was Eddie Jones for
the Lakers. Yeah, and our friend had season tickets to
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the Lakers and he's like, oh, they're playing the Raptors.
So we got the tickets. We went to the game
for the Raptors and guess what we saw. Vince Carter
and we saw Kobe Bryant. And it turns out that
that's the game where Kobe scores eighty one points.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (20:20):
And if Kobe wasn't playing, never would have happened.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
No, yeah, you saw that's a magical one for sure. Hey,
thank you for the call. Yeah, I just they gotta
come on, man, we got to compete. We gotta we met.
And I mentioned it earlier. Defense, like many used to
regular games matter, regular season on a Wednesday, it mattered
because you ain't about to come to our house to
try to we about to show you what's up.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Use a file. Shoot you get six of them, play hard.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
But I just and again, maybe there's a little bit
of ball humbugget off my lawn, but man, I need
a little bit meet me in the middle. Like you
said with the All Star Game, I can't have a
score of three hundred ninety two to two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's ridiculous, like a nobody got basketball.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
And I'm there, I am there bit like I am
the person they're like, I'm gonna I love it, I
watch it, I support, I'm all in.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
But even I'm like enough is enough?
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Like come on? And again the low management makes you like, well,
when y'all start to care, let me know. So they
got to figure out something to get that going at
when we'll have more conversations. Actually, Joe Varden covers the
NBA for the athletic just in a moment here.
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On a worship Wednesday, Rob Parker Kelvin Washington, and joining
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Speaker 6 (21:42):
Joe Varden on Twitter? What's up, Joe? Are you?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (21:46):
Joe's hey?
Speaker 11 (21:47):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Rob?
Speaker 11 (21:48):
Did you talk to you? My guy? How's everybody doing?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Great?
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Always great to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
And we're talking about jumping on this conversation about the
NBA and the ratings. Football were up, Baseball had a
banner your ratings college women's college basketball.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
We could go around.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
The ratings are down and Kelvin has the numbers up
right at since.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Twenty since twenty twelve, Joe, this is crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Down forty eight Is that.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Forty eight percent?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
You would think so Okay, maybe some novelty thing and like,
let's say it was UFC ball, maybe it's going down.
The NBA down forty eight percent since twenty twelve is crazy.
Speaker 11 (22:26):
Yeah, I guess I'm surprised by that number, you know.
I mean some of it I would have said, without
the context of knowing what you just said about the NFL,
I would have said, you know, the streaming has a
lot to do with that. But I mean, look, you know,
this is my eleventh NBA season. You know, I love
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my job. It's an awesome job. The season's too long,
it is, and that's why you know I've got I've
got the Nickson Hawks on my screen now in an
NBA Cup game, and find the Vegas tomorrow. I mean,
that's why this exists, to try to generate some interest
in a season that takes more than six months to complete.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, to the style of play, the threes, Joe, I
mean I gave another stat you ready.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
In twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Twenty fifteen, the Warriors average thirty one point six threes
per game. They were first in the NBA. And now
you fast forward to now and the Toronto Raptors average
thirty one point one threes, they're dead last in the NBA.
Speaker 11 (23:43):
Yeah, I mean this is something that we're hearing that
the style of play has taken too much out of
the game on a number for a number of reasons.
On first thing, it's like it pretty much comes down
to whoever makes more threes wins. And then the second thing,
and I don't know if this is good or if
(24:03):
this is bad. I can go both ways. But you
can fall down by twenty or twenty two, twenty.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Five and still bet oh yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 11 (24:13):
And when I got when I started, you know, those
twenty fourteen fifteen cabs, like if you were down twenty,
you lost. And now I just feel like almost nothing
that we see for three quarters really makes that much
of a difference, Like you are in the game regardless
until the final buzzer's founds.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
It's an interesting point right there.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
We are joined, of course, by Joe Varden covers the
NBA for the Athletic Joe, I want to I want
to ask you about some of the some of the
teams in the East that we had high hopes for.
Philadelphia seventy six ers. Now what are they gonna do?
Because Joe ellenb plays he doesn't play plays, he doesn't play,
He Surry can't play back to backs. Paul George, no man,
trust us. This season gonna turn around. Paul George doesn't
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even play this They were supposed to be a top one,
two three in the East. Is it time to move
on from jolind Be? It's just time to move on
for Paul Jee. What are they going to do because
they're supposed to have a big three including Tyree's Maxie
and that's not the case.
Speaker 11 (25:11):
No, No, I mean I don't know. Yeah, I don't
even know where you would start trying to move a
player like Joel. I guess in another You know how
we've just been kind of talking about how long these
seasons are and how you're never out of it, Like
the Sixers could certainly wind up being the most dangerous
(25:32):
ten seed of all time. All all they have to
do is make the play in healthy And then you're
telling me that Joel and Maxie and Paul George can't
win two road games against two other teams that aren't
very good, like, of course that that could happen. Then
they get into a one eight matchup with Cleveland and
(25:54):
there's issues there, so you know. I mean, for as
ugly as this has been in Joel. You know the
thing about Joelle is, I mean he's been in the
league all this time now, and we've heard time and
again about how many question marks there are with his body,
and you know, you worry that some of those things
that maybe had we'd lost sight of a little bit,
(26:15):
like maybe if they're coming back and the concerns and
the and the red flags that were raised all those
years ago, like maybe maybe now they're coming home to roost.
I mean, there's a there's a knee issue that obviously
is lingering. You know, Joel insists there isn't a new injury.
He's not the only one who says that. But Okay,
(26:36):
he's not getting better, you know, so you are concerned there.
But he's still dominant if he can play in any
kind the physical condition at all. And and the new rules,
like I said, guys, I mean, the new rules are
such that if they could just get it together by
March even they would have a chance to make some
(26:57):
noise in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, let me, he asked you the story about Lebron
desperately wants to win a championship with Bronnie. I just
can't imagine like that's on his minds right now. Like
I understand about winning, but winning with Bronnie, who's had
a rough start to his NBA career, that that would
even be on his radar rather than trying to get
his team together.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Well, I just don't see the Lakers moving Lebron anywhere
and anybody trying.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
To take on Bronnie and Lebron.
Speaker 11 (27:29):
No, no, no, no, no, I mean this is today
was quite a day out there. On the one hand,
Lebron is not with the team, and.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
The last that's right, he has a personal day, a
personal day in the NBA.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
Yeah, it's not even just a personal day, Rob, I mean,
he wasn't there yesterday either. He's he's he's gone, and
of course he'll come back. But it's pretty wild to
think about this like he did this ten years ago almost,
I want to say, to the day, because it was
a few weeks from now, ten years ago, but it
was here. He was so worn out by David Blatt,
(28:07):
his body felt terrible, the Cavs weren't that good, he
didn't feel very good, and he checked out. He's gone
for two weeks. I think he went to Florida for
a while and then he rejoined the team, like on
this West coast trip that we all went on. And
this just reminds me and some of the other people
(28:28):
who remember that time. It reminds me of that, and
you just hope that for his sake, that the rest
gets him back going where he wants to be. I mean,
you know, he's going to turn forty here in three weeks,
and he's averaging twenty three points a game, which is
insane for a forty year old, but also it's the
second lowest scoring average of his career. He's got a
(28:50):
negative plus minus for the first time ever, and.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
His defensive rating is awful. Was next to last, right
or last?
Speaker 11 (28:58):
Yeah, you know, Rob, I mean, this has been coming.
You know, he hasn't played hard defensively most nights for
several years and that wears on a team. And if
you think about the Lakers last year, and they had
a point the players like, why aren't you playing ruie,
why aren't you playing bigger? Well, the reason that they
(29:20):
wanted that is because they knew that Lebron really can
only defend maybe one day a week, and so those
other three games a week two three games a week.
The Lakers are playing four on five on defense, three
and a half on five if you've got Torrian out
there too, and that's hard, that's really hard. And you
(29:40):
know it leads to the losses in the regular season,
you have a worse standing come playoff time. Like, it
just adds up. So what's happening with lebron doesn't surprise me,
you know. I mean, he's certainly like his experience and
his will to win and his ego and all that
would would plant this thought that he's gonna win a
(30:03):
championship with Bronnie. But you know, we know what's going
on with Brownie right now, and he's gonna play road
games in the G League, which is a signal that
this hasn't gotten off to a great start, and they're
just the Lakers and Bronnie are a long way from
that right now. It's just the truth.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah, we're gonna have to wait and see what happens.
But it was been starting to hear a lot of
like finality talk lately. You know that I only got
a year or two left, and I want to do
this before I've retire. Starting hear that for the first
time with Lebron. Joe, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 11 (30:34):
Brother.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
We appreciate Joe vard Es Joe, Joe Vard on Twitter,
give a follow.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Thank you hey, Joe almost youvis for breakfast on Friday.
I'll say you said hello, oh please.
Speaker 11 (30:43):
Do that and it was great to meet you and
great to talk to you guys as always.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Good talking to you, Joe. I appreciate again Joe vard
on Twitter. Make sure you give them him.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
And Chris go back to the days in Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Oh nice, nice, nice, that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
While he was talking about being there with Bron, I've
never heard that story about Bron taking a couple of
weeks off.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Are you gonna know that story? That's a famous story.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Dennis Rodman when he's Dennis Rodman going uh going to Vegas?
Remember then the last dance when Robin was going on
a time. All right, we got more ones, gotta go
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Speaker 5 (31:29):
The Job Morning job, if you will, uh saying how
this holiday season just rolled up on them quickly and
they don't have the lights up, the tree up, and
it seems like everybody's kind of behind. Hey, nobody got
time for because of the late Thanksgiving and then this
Rob quickly before we get in the ones gotta go?
Speaker 6 (31:45):
You you are you a do you decorate the house?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Absolutely? I'm into the Christmas period. You got everything else everything? Yeah,
I mean it's now have a ref on the door.
I'll have a tree with lights and uh some nice
smelling a real tree.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I'm not into the fake tree.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Okay, all right, real tree, brother, you real tea gang.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
And all my presents have been mailed out to family
and friends around the country.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Hey, we might need Uncle Rob to take care of
all this for us. Because you were ahead of the game.
I appreciate it. We are definitely not in the Washington house,
so I hope my wife ain't listening, all right, Andy
signed for One's Gotta Go.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Five of crowds?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Is that when I'm blending there?
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Five even number?
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Figure it out? All right?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
So?
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Uh we I mentioned him earlier in our conversation about
the NBA, and I was using him as an example
of his talent and gift that he has that everybody
else tries to emulate, they can't. That was jay Z.
So we're gonna, you know, some other things and then
we're gonna leave that alone. So it got Rob G and
I are thinking about New York. This is your town,
Rob Artist, and what we wanted to do was branch
it out, not just rappers, So we included everybody. One's
(32:52):
gotta go. You're ready, everybody listening. We got Manzi, Rob G,
Rob Parker, myself, and Alex. Starting with jay Z, I
just mentioned him. All the music, All the Greatness features
everything jay Z, jay Z, Got It, Got Okay Great,
Frank Sinatra, All Blue Eyes is in the list, Lady Gota,
Neil Diamond, and lastly Alicia Keys.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Manzi's losing her mind over give me what are the
choices again?
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Neil Diamond, Alicia Keys, Lady Got Got, Frank Sinatra, jay Z.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Oh, this is too easy.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Every single one's gotta go.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
You say it's too easy, literally every week it's too easy.
I don't know how it's always so easy for you. Well,
actually I think I do think I know who's gonna
be for you. Yes, is it who I think is
gonna be?
Speaker 6 (33:39):
So I just get all right, Yet, Manzi looks hard
for you.
Speaker 12 (33:43):
It's very hard.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Get over you gotta go. This is one time Ladies
first backfired on you. Ladies first.
Speaker 12 (33:50):
It's gonna there's no right answer here, there's no why.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
It's one of your version of one. You gotta go.
Speaker 12 (33:54):
Frank Sinatra for.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Me, Alex turn on mic Off, I do fright so not.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I can'not, Lady business, I am going to. Don't worry.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
It's my iPod. Stand on it, Rogie, you've never been
that lot. I heard you through the glass. I am
shook it right now, right Alick and tell us yours.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
The only one of them is not an icon right now.
He could be, but not right now. At least gotta go.
Oh and I like Alicia Key. The rest of these ones.
They could do stadium tours tomorrow and people would come
watch them. Okay, I mean Frank and Astre is dead,
but you know what I mean. I got you okay,
all right? Oh, I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 12 (34:44):
All right, because there's no right answer, there is a
right answer. Well, lady gotta go. Are you crazy? Her
people are called little monsters.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
They are card little.
Speaker 12 (34:54):
Her music is not influential at all. Okay, she literally
was at the Olympics in France or whatever it was,
and she didn't even look like she wanted to be there. Yeah,
you sound super fun at parties, Alex, I am because
I'll be bumping some Frank Sinatra with my rap pat boys.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
All Right, I'm gonna go. This is a tough one
in the sense that all of them have their reasons
to stay. Hence while we added to make it tough.
But Neil Diamond gotta go, and I understand it. I'm
sweet Carolina iconic.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
He is kidding, squeak, I get it, Neil, Neil, that's
not the only soul.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Oh my god, Neil boy, you beat me to it. Neil,
that's the only I'm not know. He's got so but
that's the only Neil I know. And I'm gonna get
it at the stadium where I go every game.
Speaker 12 (35:42):
No, but if you one's gotta go, then you'll never
hear it again. That's the whole point.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
No him out.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
He's out of my playlist anymore. I'm still gonna here,
probably at ball games.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Gonna go. Rob you got thirty seconds. You got lady,
got got let me guess.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Of course, I'm lady. Good job, Rob.
Speaker 8 (35:55):
I can't quite put my finger on that one.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
That was hard. I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
It's got to be racist.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
I don't know. Maybe other is. Is it sexist? I
don't know. Why. What are you talking about?
Speaker 12 (36:07):
She's terrible?
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Yeah she's not, I will admit she. We were sold Yank.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Sinatra fifty nine studio albums fifteen.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
But that is too many, though hasn't listened to one
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Speaker 5 (01:20):
That's right, man, You and I have been talking about
it for a little bit too, that the NBA is
having an issue that other sports aren't having or definitely
not at least at the magnitude in which the NBA
is having it, and that is viewership issues. You know,
yesterday you and I were talking about Caitlyn Clark, whether
she should have been Time Athlete of the Year, whatever
(01:42):
side you come out on it on. One thing we
talked about was the WNBA viewership was up. You got
Women's tournament, viewership was up. You talk about the Major
League Baseball this year, what was the common denominator again,
viewership was up. The NFL has averaged more the highest
they've had seventeen point three million viewers. It's hyat since
twenty fifteen, so they've gone up as well. So everybody's
(02:04):
kind of having this or at least at worse, they're
staying packed. If not, they're moving up with viewership, and
the NBA has been the opposite.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
The NBA has gone down.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
You're talking about down double digits, ten percent from last year.
You're looking at the NTS and tournament right now. The
NBA Cup is down ten percent and it did pretty
well actually last year. Not the case this year in
the NBA this year as a whole is twenty eight
percent down year over year. That's crazy, almost a third
percent down and really almost half rob since twenty twelve,
(02:37):
forty eight percent down. Viewership has gone down since twenty
I'm not surprised at all. I'm not so you start to, okay,
if you're saying why why? What is the issue here? Well,
for me, it comes down to three things. One, Steph
Curry has ruined the NBA. That's the first one, and
(02:57):
I'll explain what I mean. Curry is the greatest shooter
we have ever seen. Steph Curry is a wonderful talent,
one of the greatest players of all time. But he
has a natural gift, also a gift that he has
honed in on his craft and gotten better at, and
that has the ability to shoot threes, ability to shoot
from deep, ability to take shops that and most of
(03:18):
the time growing up, you'd be on the bench if
you took that shot.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
He mastered it.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
He's great and it is the reason why he's been
spectacular fun to watch him. The problem is the second point,
nerds with numbers analytics has starting to ruin the game.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
And I don't even just mean basketball. I mean baseball.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Baseball had to mess around and retweak some things because
they got too carried away, carried about the numbers. Football,
they had to retweak some things. They got too carried
about passing. That's why we're seeing this resurgence in running
the ball in defense. Well, the NBA isn't there yet.
It's all a bunch of nerds saying a three is
worth more than two, and if you draw a file,
it's worse.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
The guy guys oh, just trying to draw files.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
And they saw Steph Curry hitting these threes and they said, well,
we need to do more of that. The problem is
everybody can't shoot like Steph Curry. Everybody isn't built like
Steph Curry. I don't need my seven foot center shooting
threes because analytically, if you shoot it in, if you
happen to make it sad, they're taking away from what
made the game great. And my last point I told
(04:15):
you was three is I blame jay Z not because
all the other stuff. You know, I'm saying. Jay Z
for years said I don't write rhymes. I don't write rhymes,
and people started other rappers started to go, well, he
don't write rymes.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
So I ain't gonna write hymes.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
What they missed was his point was while he was
out in the streets hustling, he couldn't write down his rhymes,
so he had to mentally write them down. They were
still coherent, they were still written. And what happened with music,
specifically hip hop, everybody started to be him and I
don't write rhymes, go in there and let the spirit move.
I'm a freestyle and music started to become trashed because
guys were trying to emulate him, similarly to how guys
(04:51):
are trying.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
To emulate Steph Curry. Everybody can't do it.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Everybody ain't built for it, and they shouldn't have nerds
who never even played the sport telling this or how
to be played, and it's made it unwatchable at times.
And then you also add in the last league the
load management. Everybody became I gotta win the championship. I
got load management. I gotta wait, I gotta wait, I
need the rest, I need this, And it starts to
be like, well, shoot, if you don't care, I don't care.
(05:16):
If you ain't playing the night, well I guess I'll
wait till the playoffs. When you do care and you
combined all that, you put it in a blender to me,
and you have the recipe to being forty eight percent
down viewership in the last to attend to twelve years.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Of stuff, and mostlyed to blame for me is the
three the other night, the thunder in the first half
took thirty one threes.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Thirty one threes. Like, seriously, thirty one threes? Who wants
to watch that? Seriously?
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Who and aint Larry Bird shooting twenty threes either?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You know, those guys didn't even come close to that.
They needed three, They would take a three, they warned
up there just chucking up threes. We saw an All
Star game where the final score was over two hundred
and you're asking why people don't don't want to watch
the All Star Game anymore? Why people don't want to
watch a lot of these games because they're just not
(06:14):
aesthetically pleasing. There's more to basketball than just making threes,
either three or dunk.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
At the basket. My god, really, is that all we
want to see?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And I think fans have revolted. I mean they're just like,
I don't want to watch this. I've been covering the
NBA since nineteen eighty seven. I've said a million times.
I've set courtside some of the biggest moments in NBA history.
I was there when Michael Jordan made that shot over
Craig e Low in Cleveland. I was there, And you
(06:52):
know what, the brand of basketball. I'm not an old
guy yelling out a cloud.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Kelvin.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know this.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
It's just not fun to watch. It's not.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's not I don't care what you say. It's not
hating on the younger generation. Oh yeah, everything was better
in the old days. No, these are young people who
aren't watching the NBA the way they used to.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
When when the.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Pistons, sorry Rob g beat the Lakers in two thousand
and four, Yes he hates it. I went to I
was a columnist for the Detroit News. Covered Kelvin every
game you had to go watch. I watched every game
(07:39):
from two, nothing all the way through the game. Can't
watch the whole game anymore. It just doesn't work for me.
It doesn't just I'm not excited about it. There were
a ton of a ton of players, and we get
it Lebron's older and staff or whatever. But there's some
other players that we nobody wants to see Wimby.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
I keep hearing all that.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
No start, you don't want to see Wimby. Will you
want to say, John Moran you want to see? I
mean like there are some names and people you don't
want to see any of those guys.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
The issue, too, Rob, is that if you look at
some of the greats and you look at what they
were great, at what we say about MJ. Fade away.
MJ was midranging you to death? So would he not
be that guy now? Because technically you better to shoot
the three, so you have to shoot the three. Tim
Duncan was fundamental post moves all galore, off the glass,
(08:31):
off the glass. Kevin McHale was an artist down there.
Mid Ranging you to death was Larry Bird. Magic Johnson
was running the show, getting guys easy buckets, easy buckets
in the paint wherever it matter out, you know, fast
break whatever, easy buckets.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
How many teams are historical teams we love to talk
about because it was what defense hard knows and we've
lost that, the competitiveness, the edge, And maybe it is
hard to feel that way when I'm a middling player
and I'm making fifteen eighteen, twenty million dollars a year,
And maybe it's hard, but I just think the game
has lost it again, the artistry.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
It used to be.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Patrick Ewing was a big man who could hit the elbow,
but he could post up. He was aggressive, block and shot,
Like where is that? That was regular? Meaning he was him?
It was David Robertson. It was a keim of Lajawan.
It was Scheck. It can go down the line. That
wasn't just an anomaly where like, oh we got Yo Kitch,
the one big guy who's in UNBI who used post moves,
you know what I mean, Like it was a multitude
of post moves. It was a multitude of point guards
(09:26):
who got in the pain, who distributed. It was a
multitude of the guys who could shoot. We had every
type of way, type of game Kareem with the skyhook,
And we've lost that. We've lost the competitiveness. And I
just think all of these things, and lastly too, all
of these kids play. You're not a real You're not
You don't care about your game in current basketball, if
you're a teenager, if you don't have your own private trainer,
(09:48):
if you don't have your own personal private trainer who's
teaching you how to basically essentially find a way to
do a step back three. That's why they all that
saw all they do, and it's the reason why I
tell young people I said the same thing. It ain't me,
hayten just because I'm a little bit older than you.
It's that, Yes, I will give you if these most
of these guys can probably dribble better than all the
(10:08):
guys previously. I'll give you that maybe a center can
dribble better than maybe, but they don't know how to
play basketball better than them the actual play the game,
win the game.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I can I also give you. I want to give
you here. Here's a good comparison. This will help you. You ready,
in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, the Warriors three point attempts
per game?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
You ready take a guess.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
In twenty fifty sixteen, they're probably shooting about twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Okay, close thirty one point six. They were first in
the NBA.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
You got me, I don't even want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
The Raptors in twenty four to twenty five are averaging
thirty one point one.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Three point attempts per game.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Where do they rank compared to the Warriors were ranked
first at thirty one point six in twenty fifteen. Twenty sixteen,
the Raptors thirty one point one. Now this season, what
do they rank?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Are they twenty twentieth?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
How about dead last?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And there you go, thirty one point one is dead
last in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
And is that I tell you something right there?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Tells you because everybody isn't made to shoot these things.
And that's the challenge too, is that you're telling them no.
The money and I mean, the analytics say this, So
then you got guys who should never be shooting these
shooting these because I won't get in trouble. The reason
why we didn't shoot when I played in high school
and when you were playing back in the day as
a kid, everybody was playing or if you played it,
and I don't care if it's elementary, high school, or college,
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it was a bad shot. And it's not that it's
saying let's try to get an easier one. Let's work
it in and if it's there, it's there. If it's
a wide open three, you gotta take. I give with
the defense, you know, take it, but the identity just
come down and chuck it. Out the blue and it's
something to say about LaMelo. Ball's fun to watch, but
it's a wonder why it's gifted as he is, his
team ain't winning. You can't just take shots from the
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logo all the time and think that's just a great
shot all the time. Steph Curry is gifted. He works
at it. He has a special gift. Literally, it's the
reason why he's amazing at golf. I guarantee you he's
great at darts. His hand eye coordination is special. I
don't need I don't need six foot ten guy I've
never even heard of, as I swear to I'm watching
it right now. That's what just happened, is I said
(12:34):
it this Atlanta. In the next game, some guy literally
don't even know just shooting the three, shooting the three,
Like what.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Are we doing there?
Speaker 5 (12:41):
And it becomes and slowly, slowly but surely, fans are like, eh,
it's not even funny Moore and it's not good anymore.
And then again, I think low management plays a role
when guys are sitting down too.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
People definitely got turned off by that. They're paying big money.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
For ten I'm going to y' don't know, I'm all
excited out push my date. Hey, baby, let's you do
it Friday. It's a big game Thursday night on what
nobody's playing? Hey, I bought this ticket to take my
little son. It's gonna be the one time you go
to nobody's playing. So I think all of these things,
you add it up, you slowly get a fan base
who has options. By the way, who has I can
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just see the clips. I can just do prize picks.
I can just you know. I'll be on my phone
on YouTube, Instagram. It'll show me some clips later. And
I think it's starting to hurt the game a bit
a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Actually, all right, has Steph Curry invertedly made the NBA
hard to watch these days? We'll continue this conversation next
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Six sixty three sixty nine. We'll do that next.
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Speaker 3 (14:49):
I mean the commissioner try to say, oh, the World
Series and the election and all that. It's not true,
like the other sports aren't suffering like the NBA.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
And it can't be rough forty eight percent in we'd
be like, all right, we had one random dip off
the last couple. Yeah, okay, dude, year over year over
year and to your point, baseball historic year. Not obviously
it was a literal dream situation, but so it happened.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
It happened, dream situation.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Women's College Basketball WNBA NFL's up best rating since in
twenty seventeen. I mean, everybody else winning, you know, and
this has been the most star driven league, you know,
and so used to have to start figuring out why.
So we came up with some reasons why. When we
say the three ball, I say Steph Curry, not to
him individually, but people three ball.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Or lack of fund the metal style of play. We
already know that a right rubbed a lot of people
the wrong way. And the prices, dude, like, there's a
lot of stuff that pushed fans away.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Price is getting crazy out here, all right.
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Let's take some calls. Let's go to Paul and Texas. Paul,
you're on the odd couple. Fox Words Radio.
Speaker 9 (16:03):
Boy Ron Barker, love you, love the addition of Kevin Washington,
Love the show, guys.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 9 (16:09):
Is the last game I went to was last year
with Rockets and Bucks, and I want to say I
was probably not even halftime that the score was getting
close to one hundred points, and all it was just
shoot a three, run to the other side, shoot a three,
run to the other side. And as I was watching
the game, all these kids in front of me is
like ten twelve year olds. You're all excited, and I
was like, this is not enjoyable, and this this is
(16:30):
going to be the last game I ever go to,
the last game I ever come and see. And sure enough,
now there's a tea game on TV. I don't even
bother watching it, but I was listening to you guys.
I think I just realized it's just more the generational
I'm forty one years old, so I think anybody in
their thirties and older they're getting pushed off where maybe
(16:51):
ten year olds and twenty year olds, that's just kind
of what they're going to be getting used to. It's
just a generational show.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I get that black people all watching knowing, but they're
watching all this.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
That's the part.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
So it says something about the game, and I'll say this, Paul,
remember one not long ago where baseball had the issue
of either strikeout or a home run. Fans didn't like
that game. Nobody wants to see a strikeout or home run.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
And ten pitching changes. Nobody wanted to see that. Yep.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
And that's why I give baseball credit that they are
we got to change something, and they start to figure
it out. And ultimately, look, man, y'all getting on his
money because the TV deals and if TV ratings go down,
TV places are going to be like, well we paying
y'all billions of dollar four, ain't nobody watching? And last point,
to take a quick call, Paul was right. I coached
my daughter's little team was like four to six year olds.
When I tell you, at six year olds on a
little eight foot rim chuck it out from half court.
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It was the craziest thing to see rob because all
their favorite players, that's what they do. So no one
was trying to I get to the whole passive mid rate.
It was just all chuck it up. And I'm like,
what is going on even in four to six year olds?
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Sake some more calls, you know what.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I coached a little toddler team two years and three
year olds, and when they had a load management problem
with something else.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Hey, I'm gonna be I ain't gonna be on This
is Alex bab I love you. Oh be in l
a Obi. You're on the Robbie.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (18:17):
Mister Parker? What are you gonna be? When is your
next comedy show?
Speaker 6 (18:23):
After the Super Bowl in March?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I'm getting back on the stage, all right.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
I'm waiting for it. I'm waiting for it. I wanted
to say that, first of all, thank you for talking
about the fact that coaches and teams themselves have to
blame for this. Uh. When the coach tells the player
they're not playing coach, the players typically listen to their
coaches and they don't play. And I think a lot
of these coaches are falling into this bad trap that
(18:48):
you mentioned that, Oh, we're just gonna wait for the
playoffs and number two and it's gonna take a brave coach,
a brave team to go against the grain and bring
back post to player and mid range and have that win,
and that wins. Then some people stop moving back to that.
That's that's my opinion.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I think that No, no, no, I don't disagree, No, I don't.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Yeah, bring up a good point. Thank you for a call.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
And that's why Thanks Aby, That's why Jokis was important.
We started to see, oh, you can operate from inside out,
you know what I mean. And the Denver Nuggets then't
just chuck up a lot of threes. Jamal Murray mid
range a lot of times.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Jokids.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
We already with the mid Kawhi Lennon and went all
the way win the championship. We ain't seen a Raptor since,
so it absolutely works. Let's squeeze in one more. Let's
go to Andrew and Bakersfield. Andrew, you and the I
Cup of Rock Parker, Kevin.
Speaker 10 (19:40):
Washington, what's up guys? For me, it's load management and injuries.
All the injuries. I played soccer. I think these guys
should train with professional soccer players. But the load management.
My friend and I grew up playing in his driveway.
He was Nick van Exel. I was Eddie Jones for
the Lakers. Yeah, and our friend had season tickets to
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the Lakers and he's like, oh, they're playing the Raptors.
So we got the tickets. We went to the game
for the Raptors and guess what we saw. Vince Carter
and we saw Kobe Bryant. And it turns out that
that's the game where Kobe scores eighty one points.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (20:20):
And if Kobe wasn't playing, never would have happened.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
No, yeah, you saw that's a magical one for sure. Hey,
thank you for the call. Yeah, I just they gotta
come on, man, we got to compete. We gotta we met.
And I mentioned it earlier. Defense, like many used to
regular games matter, regular season on a Wednesday, it mattered
because you ain't about to come to our house to
try to we about to show you what's up.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Use a file. Shoot you get six of them, play hard.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
But I just and again, maybe there's a little bit
of ball humbugget off my lawn, but man, I need
a little bit meet me in the middle. Like you
said with the All Star Game, I can't have a
score of three hundred ninety two to two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's ridiculous, like a nobody got basketball.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
And I'm there, I am there bit like I am
the person they're like, I'm gonna I love it, I
watch it, I support, I'm all in.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
But even I'm like enough is enough?
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Like come on? And again the low management makes you like, well,
when y'all start to care, let me know. So they
got to figure out something to get that going at
when we'll have more conversations. Actually, Joe Varden covers the
NBA for the athletic just in a moment here.
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On a worship Wednesday, Rob Parker Kelvin Washington, and joining
the show now is Joe Varden covers the NBA for
the Athletic.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Joe Varden on Twitter? What's up, Joe? Are you?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (21:46):
Joe's hey?
Speaker 11 (21:47):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Rob?
Speaker 11 (21:48):
Did you talk to you? My guy? How's everybody doing?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Great?
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Always great to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
And we're talking about jumping on this conversation about the
NBA and the ratings. Football were up, Baseball had a
banner your ratings college women's college basketball.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
We could go around.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
The ratings are down and Kelvin has the numbers up
right at since.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Twenty since twenty twelve, Joe, this is crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Down forty eight Is that.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Forty eight percent?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
You would think so Okay, maybe some novelty thing and like,
let's say it was UFC ball, maybe it's going down.
The NBA down forty eight percent since twenty twelve is crazy.
Speaker 11 (22:26):
Yeah, I guess I'm surprised by that number, you know.
I mean some of it I would have said, without
the context of knowing what you just said about the NFL,
I would have said, you know, the streaming has a
lot to do with that. But I mean, look, you know,
this is my eleventh NBA season. You know, I love
(22:50):
my job. It's an awesome job. The season's too long,
it is, and that's why you know I've got I've
got the Nickson Hawks on my screen now in an
NBA Cup game, and find the Vegas tomorrow. I mean,
that's why this exists, to try to generate some interest
in a season that takes more than six months to complete.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, to the style of play, the threes, Joe, I
mean I gave another stat you ready.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
In twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Twenty fifteen, the Warriors average thirty one point six threes
per game. They were first in the NBA. And now
you fast forward to now and the Toronto Raptors average
thirty one point one threes, they're dead last in the NBA.
Speaker 11 (23:43):
Yeah, I mean this is something that we're hearing that
the style of play has taken too much out of
the game on a number for a number of reasons.
On first thing, it's like it pretty much comes down
to whoever makes more threes wins. And then the second thing,
and I don't know if this is good or if
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this is bad. I can go both ways. But you
can fall down by twenty or twenty two, twenty.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Five and still bet oh yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 11 (24:13):
And when I got when I started, you know, those
twenty fourteen fifteen cabs, like if you were down twenty,
you lost. And now I just feel like almost nothing
that we see for three quarters really makes that much
of a difference, Like you are in the game regardless
until the final buzzer's founds.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
It's an interesting point right there.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
We are joined, of course, by Joe Varden covers the
NBA for the Athletic Joe, I want to I want
to ask you about some of the some of the
teams in the East that we had high hopes for.
Philadelphia seventy six ers. Now what are they gonna do?
Because Joe ellenb plays he doesn't play plays, he doesn't play,
He Surry can't play back to backs. Paul George, no man,
trust us. This season gonna turn around. Paul George doesn't
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even play this They were supposed to be a top one,
two three in the East. Is it time to move
on from jolind Be? It's just time to move on
for Paul Jee. What are they going to do because
they're supposed to have a big three including Tyree's Maxie
and that's not the case.
Speaker 11 (25:11):
No, No, I mean I don't know. Yeah, I don't
even know where you would start trying to move a
player like Joel. I guess in another You know how
we've just been kind of talking about how long these
seasons are and how you're never out of it, Like
the Sixers could certainly wind up being the most dangerous
(25:32):
ten seed of all time. All all they have to
do is make the play in healthy And then you're
telling me that Joel and Maxie and Paul George can't
win two road games against two other teams that aren't
very good, like, of course that that could happen. Then
they get into a one eight matchup with Cleveland and
(25:54):
there's issues there, so you know. I mean, for as
ugly as this has been in Joel. You know the
thing about Joelle is, I mean he's been in the
league all this time now, and we've heard time and
again about how many question marks there are with his body,
and you know, you worry that some of those things
that maybe had we'd lost sight of a little bit,
(26:15):
like maybe if they're coming back and the concerns and
the and the red flags that were raised all those
years ago, like maybe maybe now they're coming home to roost.
I mean, there's a there's a knee issue that obviously
is lingering. You know, Joel insists there isn't a new injury.
He's not the only one who says that. But Okay,
(26:36):
he's not getting better, you know, so you are concerned there.
But he's still dominant if he can play in any
kind the physical condition at all. And and the new rules,
like I said, guys, I mean, the new rules are
such that if they could just get it together by
March even they would have a chance to make some
(26:57):
noise in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, let me, he asked you the story about Lebron
desperately wants to win a championship with Bronnie. I just
can't imagine like that's on his minds right now. Like
I understand about winning, but winning with Bronnie, who's had
a rough start to his NBA career, that that would
even be on his radar rather than trying to get
his team together.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Well, I just don't see the Lakers moving Lebron anywhere
and anybody trying.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
To take on Bronnie and Lebron.
Speaker 11 (27:29):
No, no, no, no, no, I mean this is today
was quite a day out there. On the one hand,
Lebron is not with the team, and.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
The last that's right, he has a personal day, a
personal day in the NBA.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
Yeah, it's not even just a personal day, Rob, I mean,
he wasn't there yesterday either. He's he's he's gone, and
of course he'll come back. But it's pretty wild to
think about this like he did this ten years ago almost,
I want to say, to the day, because it was
a few weeks from now, ten years ago, but it
was here. He was so worn out by David Blatt,
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his body felt terrible, the Cavs weren't that good, he
didn't feel very good, and he checked out. He's gone
for two weeks. I think he went to Florida for
a while and then he rejoined the team, like on
this West coast trip that we all went on. And
this just reminds me and some of the other people
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who remember that time. It reminds me of that, and
you just hope that for his sake, that the rest
gets him back going where he wants to be. I mean,
you know, he's going to turn forty here in three weeks,
and he's averaging twenty three points a game, which is
insane for a forty year old, but also it's the
second lowest scoring average of his career. He's got a
(28:50):
negative plus minus for the first time ever, and.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
His defensive rating is awful. Was next to last, right
or last?
Speaker 11 (28:58):
Yeah, you know, Rob, I mean, this has been coming.
You know, he hasn't played hard defensively most nights for
several years and that wears on a team. And if
you think about the Lakers last year, and they had
a point the players like, why aren't you playing ruie,
why aren't you playing bigger? Well, the reason that they
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wanted that is because they knew that Lebron really can
only defend maybe one day a week, and so those
other three games a week two three games a week.
The Lakers are playing four on five on defense, three
and a half on five if you've got Torrian out
there too, and that's hard, that's really hard. And you
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know it leads to the losses in the regular season,
you have a worse standing come playoff time. Like, it
just adds up. So what's happening with lebron doesn't surprise me,
you know. I mean, he's certainly like his experience and
his will to win and his ego and all that
would would plant this thought that he's gonna win a
(30:03):
championship with Bronnie. But you know, we know what's going
on with Brownie right now, and he's gonna play road
games in the G League, which is a signal that
this hasn't gotten off to a great start, and they're
just the Lakers and Bronnie are a long way from
that right now. It's just the truth.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah, we're gonna have to wait and see what happens.
But it was been starting to hear a lot of
like finality talk lately. You know that I only got
a year or two left, and I want to do
this before I've retire. Starting hear that for the first
time with Lebron. Joe, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 11 (30:34):
Brother.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
We appreciate Joe vard Es Joe, Joe Vard on Twitter,
give a follow.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Thank you hey, Joe almost youvis for breakfast on Friday.
I'll say you said hello, oh please.
Speaker 11 (30:43):
Do that and it was great to meet you and
great to talk to you guys as always.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Good talking to you, Joe. I appreciate again Joe vard
on Twitter. Make sure you give them him.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
And Chris go back to the days in Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Oh nice, nice, nice, that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
While he was talking about being there with Bron, I've
never heard that story about Bron taking a couple of
weeks off.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Are you gonna know that story? That's a famous story.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Dennis Rodman when he's Dennis Rodman going uh going to Vegas?
Remember then the last dance when Robin was going on
a time. All right, we got more ones, gotta go
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Speaker 5 (31:29):
The Job Morning job, if you will, uh saying how
this holiday season just rolled up on them quickly and
they don't have the lights up, the tree up, and
it seems like everybody's kind of behind. Hey, nobody got
time for because of the late Thanksgiving and then this
Rob quickly before we get in the ones gotta go?
Speaker 6 (31:45):
You you are you a do you decorate the house?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Absolutely? I'm into the Christmas period. You got everything else everything? Yeah,
I mean it's now have a ref on the door.
I'll have a tree with lights and uh some nice
smelling a real tree.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I'm not into the fake tree.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Okay, all right, real tree, brother, you real tea gang.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
And all my presents have been mailed out to family
and friends around the country.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Hey, we might need Uncle Rob to take care of
all this for us. Because you were ahead of the game.
I appreciate it. We are definitely not in the Washington house,
so I hope my wife ain't listening, all right, Andy
signed for One's Gotta Go.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Five of crowds?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Is that when I'm blending there?
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Five even number?
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Figure it out? All right?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
So?
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Uh we I mentioned him earlier in our conversation about
the NBA, and I was using him as an example
of his talent and gift that he has that everybody
else tries to emulate, they can't. That was jay Z.
So we're gonna, you know, some other things and then
we're gonna leave that alone. So it got Rob G and
I are thinking about New York. This is your town,
Rob Artist, and what we wanted to do was branch
it out, not just rappers, So we included everybody. One's
(32:52):
gotta go. You're ready, everybody listening. We got Manzi, Rob G,
Rob Parker, myself, and Alex. Starting with jay Z, I
just mentioned him. All the music, All the Greatness features
everything jay Z, jay Z, Got It, Got Okay Great,
Frank Sinatra, All Blue Eyes is in the list, Lady Gota,
Neil Diamond, and lastly Alicia Keys.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Manzi's losing her mind over give me what are the
choices again?
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Neil Diamond, Alicia Keys, Lady Got Got, Frank Sinatra, jay Z.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Oh, this is too easy.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Every single one's gotta go.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
You say it's too easy, literally every week it's too easy.
I don't know how it's always so easy for you. Well,
actually I think I do think I know who's gonna
be for you. Yes, is it who I think is
gonna be?
Speaker 6 (33:39):
So I just get all right, Yet, Manzi looks hard
for you.
Speaker 12 (33:43):
It's very hard.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Get over you gotta go. This is one time Ladies
first backfired on you. Ladies first.
Speaker 12 (33:50):
It's gonna there's no right answer here, there's no why.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
It's one of your version of one. You gotta go.
Speaker 12 (33:54):
Frank Sinatra for.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Me, Alex turn on mic Off, I do fright so not.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I can'not, Lady business, I am going to. Don't worry.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
It's my iPod. Stand on it, Rogie, you've never been
that lot. I heard you through the glass. I am
shook it right now, right Alick and tell us yours.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
The only one of them is not an icon right now.
He could be, but not right now. At least gotta go.
Oh and I like Alicia Key. The rest of these ones.
They could do stadium tours tomorrow and people would come
watch them. Okay, I mean Frank and Astre is dead,
but you know what I mean. I got you okay,
all right? Oh, I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 12 (34:44):
All right, because there's no right answer, there is a
right answer. Well, lady gotta go. Are you crazy? Her
people are called little monsters.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
They are card little.
Speaker 12 (34:54):
Her music is not influential at all. Okay, she literally
was at the Olympics in France or whatever it was,
and she didn't even look like she wanted to be there. Yeah,
you sound super fun at parties, Alex, I am because
I'll be bumping some Frank Sinatra with my rap pat boys.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
All Right, I'm gonna go. This is a tough one
in the sense that all of them have their reasons
to stay. Hence while we added to make it tough.
But Neil Diamond gotta go, and I understand it. I'm
sweet Carolina iconic.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
He is kidding, squeak, I get it, Neil, Neil, that's
not the only soul.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Oh my god, Neil boy, you beat me to it. Neil,
that's the only I'm not know. He's got so but
that's the only Neil I know. And I'm gonna get
it at the stadium where I go every game.
Speaker 12 (35:42):
No, but if you one's gotta go, then you'll never
hear it again. That's the whole point.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
No him out.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
He's out of my playlist anymore. I'm still gonna here,
probably at ball games.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Gonna go. Rob you got thirty seconds. You got lady,
got got let me guess.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Of course, I'm lady. Good job, Rob.
Speaker 8 (35:55):
I can't quite put my finger on that one.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
That was hard. I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
It's got to be racist.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
I don't know. Maybe other is. Is it sexist? I
don't know. Why. What are you talking about?
Speaker 12 (36:07):
She's terrible?
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Yeah she's not, I will admit she. We were sold Yank.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Sinatra fifty nine studio albums fifteen.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
But that is too many, though hasn't listened to one
way too many. Fox Sports Radio
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