December 19, 2024 • 34 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend hosts Arnie Spanier and Martin Weiss are in for Rob and Kelvin, and the guys share their thoughts on Woody Johnson’s role in the New York Jets dysfunction, discuss Aaron Rodgers’ uncertain future in the NFL and tell us if Sammy Sosa publicly apologizing for using PEDs is all that big of a deal anymore. Plus, professional sports bettor and FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Bill Krackomberger swings by to preview the upcoming College Football and NFL weekend action from a wagering perspective.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brusat and Ron Harker.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Want to get into the Jets and the owner, Woody Johnson.
By now, everybody's heard the story. I don't know if
you've heard, Martin, but we find out now that the
owner of the Jets actually turned down a trade for
Jerry Judy due to the Madden rating because what Madden
had the ratings for.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
He said, no, no, I'm gonna go ahead.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
And turn it down. And we also find out that
his two sons.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
They were a seventeen year old and a fifteen year old.
I don't want to give their names, but his two
sons were a big part of his decision making, and
they would go into the locker room, their friends would
go into the locker room. The GM once said, quote
unquote in twenty twenty four, I have to answer to
a teenager. What did you think about when you saw this?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Man?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I was actually laughing. I'm like, this can't be true.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
This first I thought it was a bogus story and
I was reading the.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Onion or something like that. I know, observio it's like.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
No.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
So my first thoughts were so my first thoughts were Okay,
like some of this I don't have the biggest problem with.
Do I think that a Parlayers matting ranking should be
the end all be all of why you accept or
deny you trade? No, But also like Jerry Judy's having
a career year right now, but at that time, like
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I remember, I'm well enough to remember when he and
Steve Smith were arguing back and forth to the Judy. Yeah,
he just had his first thousand yard receiving a year.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
So maybe it wasn't the best idea that.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
The Madden ratings should have been the in and outs,
But the idea that you didn't want to trade for
Jerry Judy, who prior to this year had been a
massive disappointment.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
I don't have a big problem with.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
The one I do have a big problem with is
apparently you had Woody Johnson in the locker room yelling
at Mike White, who was frustrated after a game, and
then what he was like, basically I'm paraphrasing here, essentially.
Speaker 7 (02:27):
You should be mad because you sucked. And then the
Jets came out and said, well, you know.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
What, at least what do you apologize? So at least
what do you apologize to that? That's crazy to me
as to see the like, imagine Arnie.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
If your boss has called you up after a show,
you were upset about it.
Speaker 7 (02:45):
You know, actually, Alreadie, you need to be upset because
you don't even you act like you've never seen a.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Football game before, like what, you know? This crazy? But
then the other thing that got me to was the
kid in the locker room giving the game ball special.
It's one thing for the kid to be in the
locker room, it's another thing for the kid to be.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
In the locker room like my dad owns this team,
said we own this too.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And not only that, not only did they they gave
him the game ball was supposed to go to the
head coach Martin, you know what I mean, supposed to
go to So I found the whole thing funny. But
as I was going to rip Woody Johnson. I started
thinking to myself when you just brought up to the point, well,
have you ever had a boss.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
To yell at?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
You?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Listen to all the listeners out there can certainly, you know,
comprehend with this. I remember getting into it with one
of my bosses, screaming at each other, like in the hallway,
just screaming as the music to my show was playing.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
And they're yelling at the guy. And I don't want
to give his name, but they're like Tom, Tom, the
guy's got a show to do, and we're.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Just and I'm when I'm talking about screaming, I'm talking
about like a just like Sam Kennison screaming, just yelling
at each other as the music's playing. I'm sure there's
a lot of listeners right now can certainly remember times
that they've gotten into it with their boss.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
That's the way it used to be. Back then, It
really did, Martin. They boss used to really chew you
out like crazy.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
It was insane.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Well, you know back then and did in Philadelphia where
Nick Siriann he's not afraid that, So you know, I
guess what is old is new again. But honestly, though
the biggest takeaway from this story for me is like,
you have other jobs that are available right now in
the in the NFL. Chicago's gonna pop available. We saw
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their dysfunction. New Orleans is available. Uh, you know, maybe
the Jet, maybe the Giants is available. Aren't he congratulations
with the New York Jets because you have one one
championship and that championship is the worst job in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
That is it right here? Put it on the belt.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
This is the worst shop in the NFL because you
can I think you can deal with like inept management,
Like if your boss is stupid, that's one thing, but
this is like your boss like you maybe you could
trick your boss into like, no, we really should do
it this way. You can figure out a way to
maneuver around that scenario.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
But this is like, I don't think that he's just
flat dumb.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
He's just literally at every step of the way making
making things that should be three steps be five steps long.
And that's just never gonna make something work.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Now, wait that we're also talking about the same team
that made the back to back AFC championships, correct, So,
and I know it's been a long time since they've
made the playoff.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
I'm about to say, Arnie, all the guys who are
in those back to back ANFC championship games now talk
on TV about football.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
They talk about football, but it isn't like they've had
all this time. It isn't like to the Chicago Cubs,
I guess, is what I'm saying, where they haven't won
anything in like one hundred years. So take that into consideration.
My question is he doing it all wrong? Should he should
listen to his teenage kids?
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
So I gotta tell you, there's a lot of owners
that's speaking over with their families, wives, cousins, sons. Maybe
they don't take it for gospel what they say, but
they certainly do talk it over with them. How do
you think all these sons have taken over for their
fathers over the years, like like Davis took over for
his father, Al Davis should think just now he's learning
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the game of foot, Paul, You didn't think he started
learning it when he was just a kid.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
And what was going on there?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Martin?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So I bet you this probably went on a lot more.
We just never found out about it, you know.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Well, yeah, but this but this that also shows like
some of the dysfunction that comes with a family organization.
Right when you look at there's certain levels like you
could look, you could do it the Rooney way, or
you could do it the Jerry Jones way, where it's like, oh,
you know, this is the Jerry Jones.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Excuse me, I'd say this is the Jerry Owns model.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Essentially, he just does less press conferences and less radio shows.
But he's involved in every aspect of everything, right from
saying bench a guy to you know, but draft this guy.
But the Rooneys they hire people and they get out
of the way. And then you allow your football people
who you hire, you put in power to make the
football decisions. Right, Like you know, they say it all
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the time in creative circles, you shouldn't take creative notes
from non creatives, right, don't.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Listen to the suits.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Well, it's like same thing in football to an extent,
like hire your football guy and then don't listen to
the suits, get.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Out of their way, let them make that. And I'm
totally behind that, and you're one hundred percent right on that.
Sure he's made some bad moves, but is it like
other owners of other general managers having made bad moves.
Look at Bill Belichick and his drafting record. That guy's
considered one of the iconic coaches of all time, and
he couldn't get it right to save his life in
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the draft.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
I mean, he was horrible, Martin.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
I mean, Bill Belichick's also drafted roll Hall of famers,
Like I get, I get with the point that we
say that a lot, but like he did draft Cronk
in the fourth round and Aaron Hernandez and Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Aaron Hernandez a good draft pick at that point.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
But go ahead, what I mean, all right, I'm not
ying you mean to I know, thank you. Put the
point on man, Vince Wolfork like those Mike Rabel, like
these guys who he drafted are pretty damn good players,
like gentleman, even a.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Blind squirrel, right, Isn't that what they say finds an acorn?
So I guess it's probably the same situation there, not
that Woody Johnson's right, Let's face it, there's certainly a
lot of things this guy does that is that the
Jets fans just absolutely besides themselves. But I'm curious to
see how all it's gonna take it to get it right.
What's gonna be his next move. Aaron Rodgers wasn't the
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right thing. I promised you that he looks old and slow. Yeah,
he's playing better football, but he's never gonna be the answer.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
He's not gonna be the answer for next year.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
And I think they're gonna have to bring him back
bart and I don't think they have much.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Of a choice. Is gonna.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Jeez, Louise, I mean, how does don't know how you
sell it after the fan base?
Speaker 5 (09:07):
I really don't.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
I really think that this is in a dark, dark place,
and the only thing that saves them, quite honestly, is
the fact that the Giants, you're in a darker place
between Tommy DeVito and Drew Lock. Seriously, they got people
flying banners over the Giants stadium. I wouldn't be surprised
to see you doing the same thing over the Jets soon.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Who would you rather have at your quarterback? If you're
the Jets? Would you want to be Rogers back in
another year? Would you want to go ahead and go
after somebody like a Daniel Jones? Wouldn't that be ironic
going from the Giants to the Jets. Would you go
after somebody like Sam Donald? Do they say he's.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Gonna command a lot of money. I'm not giving him
a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I'm not giving him fifty million a year, so you
better cut that out.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
There's no chance the Jets can sign Sam Darnald to
a fifty million dollars a year contract.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
No, especially after they've had him for you know, no chance.
I mean, that's who do you go after?
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Who who do you do?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
You keep Aaron Rodgers then, and that's what you do.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I probably just keep Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
What I would do is I try to hire somebody
on the Sean Payton, Dan Campbell. We're gonna give you
a whole lot of leeway.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Here, give you.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
One year, Aaron Rodgers to figure it out, to try
to bottom this thing out and rebuild from the bottom up.
Because I think I'm I'm moving off of almost everything
I've tried trade Garrett Wilson, I would move off. I
would tear this thing down to the studs and try
to build it back up. But you're not gonna get
long enough of a contract from Widy Johnson to do it.
So I think unfortunately they're just stuck in the hamster wheel.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
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Speaker 3 (10:44):
I want to talk about the Sammy Sosa apology, which
I thought I was actually going to lead the show with.
I thought this was like the biggest thing in sports.
After all these years, we finally get an apology.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Sammy Sosa apologized said he took steroids because you know,
he had the heel.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
It was one hundred and sixty two game.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Season producer, Rob you you had it like what listed
as like the ninetieth story today.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
You had it like under miscellaneous.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I had to, you know, scour all the topics today
just to find it. Was like, no big deal for you, right,
you didn't care much about it?
Speaker 8 (11:23):
No, because you know, the Odd Couple's a brand name
like Coca Cola or Xerox, and you know, talking about
Sammy Sosa and him using pds if we all knew
he did, you know, isn't as high in the priority
list for us.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
But I thought that was a big thing though.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I I to think we finally got an answer to this.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
I don't know, Martini.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Did you when you heard it, were You're like, oh
my god, finally Sammy Sosa comes clean.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I can't believe we got an apology. This is incredible.
I I'll be honest with you. Maybe it's a generational thing.
Speaker 9 (11:55):
But yeah, when you sent me your hand written photo
of the yes and I scrolled it, well, I say scroll,
stand with my eyes because there is.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
No scroll on the legal pad.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
I at the Google Soco apology to see who you
were talking about.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Wow, I was, I was legitimately. I don't get me wrong.
I know who Sammy Sosa is, right right, Well, I
familiar with the Chicago Cubs in the story.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
All I'm saying is I had so little of notice
that this happened today that when I said Soso apologizes
so well.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
This could be anything.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Did Edgars Hosa from Louisville basketball fifteen years ago apologize
for ripping off Michigan in that National Championship game?
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Well, well, what are we talking about? You know, oh
Sammy Sosa?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Oh okay, I want people to tweet us at Martin Weisse,
at stinking genius one. I don't think people remember we've
kept people out of the Hall of fame for steroid use.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
We've called them cheaters.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
We had them in front of Congress, we had people
wagging their finger. I did not use steroids. It was
a big story back then.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
This was so I'm not debating that and saying it's
not a big story. But part of the reason why
this apology I don't think is resonating with with Rob
G and me.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
The way it is resonating with you is Rob G.
I'm speaking for you as well here.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
But we always thought Sammy Socier was doing pedes.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
So it's like, oh, yeah, no kidding. The sun comes
up in the east, like yeah, we we knew they
like we knew that this was happening.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
So it's when he gets the apology, and I guess,
you know, it's all cool to be a good moment
when he can go back and shake hands and Wrigley
Field and and you know, the exile from the Cubs
is over.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
But Rob G, Rob Parker is a baseball guy. You
must have talked to him today. I bet you he
was just like, you know all over this Sammy Socis story.
Was he not or what when.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
I talk to him?
Speaker 8 (13:49):
No, But let me just say about this story. This
is we are talking about it. Maybe that's what he
called that might.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Be wise let Sammy back into baseball, But I think.
Speaker 8 (13:57):
Him coming clean is like the footnote in the story.
The story to me is that this all stems from
the Chicago Cubs saying, we are not going to invite
you to this, you know, fan fest. What was that
we're doing unless we get some kind of apology for
the you know, public schmearing you did of our brand
during that era, because we all knew you were on
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Royd's and it was a bad look for us that
the face of our franchise was not clean. And I
think that is the biggest croc that I have heard
in a long long time.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Because everybody knows if you.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
Were alive in watching sports during that time in the nineties,
that baseball, to put it mildly, was dead or dying. Yes,
oh strike it was a low. It was a down period,
and Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa saved baseball. They were
juiced up to the gills. They were on things that
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you know, was and dinner whatever one that McGuire was.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
He wasn't even hiding. Remember, he's right.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
There right behind him like he was promoting it, and
everybody knew that they were on that stuff, but the
chase to seventy or to sixty one was all anybody
cared about. Like, man, these guys are hitting dingers like
every four at bats. I can't miss these games. I
gotta watch it. And so for the.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Hustuff breakins, it used to be at the bottom right
hand quarter.
Speaker 8 (15:18):
We used to absolutely And so for the Chicago Cubs
to be this level of hypocritical to be like, hey,
you made us look bad when the only reason people
cared about you and your sport in general was because
of what he was doing. So for them to Matt
an apology, I thought.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Was it's almost like if the Warriors were demanding apology
for Steph Curry for load management, like if you all
know this was happening, and kind of were like, win, Wig,
we don't mind so much as long as you keep
on bringing in the dollars.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It was, you know, and I agree with Rob g
this was I mean, everybody knew he was on this,
but back then we wanted blood. We wanted him out
of baseball, not just semi everybody that used stero or
performance enhancing drugs. We wanted to call them cheaters. We
wanted to give them the scarlet letter. We want everything
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bad about them. Notice how time has changed everything. Is
there anybody still out there that says these guys are
still cheaters and Bond should be left out of the
Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5 (16:18):
What about Bonds?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I mean, is he gonna write a letter about this? Also?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
He should be. I mean he's one of the greatest too.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
I mean maybe he should because I think the maybe
and I think part of it is aready like maybe
I was, like full disclosure, I saw some of those
cut ins as well. They were just on like Nickelodeon
at the time. Legitimately, I remember seeing Sammy Sosa and
Marbla Guire cut ins on Nickelodeon. But that's the age
I was when this was happening, So like, I didn't
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have the anger in the venom and all that when
it turned out that on him and Caseenko and Bonds
and whoever was already get in trouble.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
And honestly, this is a I know, the couples of brand.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
What do you say, like like Xerox, Colon, Xerox and Coke.
So I apologize, but I hold baseball writers to task
much more than I hold baseball players to task because
every if everybody knew that everybody was juicing, why weren't
they writing about it in the moment?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Right?
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Is all this stuff comes on after the fact. All
this stuff comes up way and like you know, now
all of a sudden, No, but everybody knew and it
was just unspoked. Who I mean, look, if Lebron's been
taking acas for the last six years, I would like
to know about it.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, the question is this, guys, how much cheating went
on in baseball? How much cheating still goes on to
I mean, if they found the way to still you know,
bypass all the testing out there, how much cheating just
goes on in sports?
Speaker 5 (17:38):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
How much cheating does it go on in all sports
out there? Not only would performance enhancing drugs, you know,
other little stuff too, where maybe you're putting something inside
your glove or you have a foreign substance on there
to get a better grip of the baseball or something
to that effect. You tell me, is there's still a
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lot of cheating that goes on in sports or what?
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Absolutely, But I think cheating is too strong of a term.
I think if you're looking at people who directly take
the rule book and violate it. I think that happens
very very rarely. But I think if they say, oh,
you know what, there's a loophole here that I can exploit,
I think that happens all the time. But I think
it's against the spirit of the rules, right, Like it's
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you can have something that's not cheating, but it's also
against the spirit of the rules at the same time.
And I think that happens a lot more frequent And
I think, I think what.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
Makes this specific story, you know, to bring it back
full circle, what makes it such a different conversation is
Sammy Sosa, Mark Maguire, Roger Clamens. They weren't the only
guys on ped now. That's why it's called the ped era,
the steroids era. Everybody was doing it. So if everybody,
if you look at it in that regard, they're on
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an equal playing field, because it's not like if you
say today, you know, hypothetically everybody today is clean, then
it's an equal playing field. If back in the nineties
everybody's on Royds, then is an equal playing field. And
you can't, you know, judge one guy and not the other,
or one era and not the other when, like, I
don't even view it as cheating if it was that
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widespread anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Right, right, And I don't think that's the reason why. Now,
maybe it helped them a little bit, but they're all
still great players. They didn't hit seventy plus home runs
because they were on performance enhancing drugs.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
They had to get healthy.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Beg on peds doesn't help you hit a curveball, okay,
because if it did, I would be taking it and
going out there batting three hundred and hitting fifty home runs.
But that doesn't It doesn't make you do that. Some
pills make people get better, some don't. All right, perforemantinantic drugs.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
About healing, not so much about how far you're gonna
hit a baseball.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
It's the recovery.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Is that they're kind of in a sport like baseball,
where you're playing one hundred and sixty two games over
what a hundred in seventy five days, you need.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
That recovery more than any I think, not more than
any of the sporcers.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Footballs are so violent, but just the day in, day out,
no sport has attacks like baseball.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I think we're gonna get to the point now, guys
where they're gonna have to do eighty one games and
eighty one games for baseball. The reason I bring that
up is because after eighty one games, if you already
clinched the spot in the playoffs, maybe you could rest
some of your superstars in the second half of the season.
Uh you maybe play some of your youngsters.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Uh you know that way.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
You can't having one hundred and sixty two games.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
That's just murderous. You're just it's just too tough nowadays.
I think you'd have to have the split season up,
ease up some of the workload out there.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Why is it tougher nowadays than it was back in
the day, Like this is base Baseball is not one
of those sports where I'd say, oh man, the athletes
are so much bigger, stronger, faster. It causes more pain
on my joints. Like baseball still played the same save
for the pitchers, but I decided they have to throw
one hundred miles an hour every pitch.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Baseball the sport and the rules and all that haven't changed.
And say pitch clock in size of base and so on,
but what's valued, and like spin rate and like the
ability to calculate that level of torque. I heard people
smarter baseball people than me talking about This is where
I'm stealing this take from. But the spin like different.
The way that the analytics has influenced spin rate and
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extive velocity and so all these things. It forces now
athletes as they're coming up the up the pipeline to
get to the majors.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
That's what scouts are looking for.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
So you got kids younger and younger trying to do
things that they shouldn't be doing until they become adults,
because that's fair because the danger on.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
But they're they're pitching a lot less.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Also, I mean nowadays starters only go four innings right
then after that.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
But they're throwing as hard as they can for four innings.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Find out, no one Ryan was thrown as hard as
he cat freight yet.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
But like if you, I know, you watch a lot
of baseball, and we have baseball here, like you will
listen to Greg Maddox talk. You listen to you know,
Uhlanders most famous hit of this yeason. He's like, when
I came up, I had to know, Hey, I gotta
go seven innings in this one. I can't be throwing
one hundred and one hundred and two in the second inning.
I gotta ramp myself up. I gotta save some energy.
I gotta be able to have my stuff working to
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and get through the whole game. Nowadays, what Martin is saying,
there's saying, hey, you're only going four innings, Throw as
hard as you can with as much torque, as much
spin as possible, and what about the rest later? And
that's why Tommy Johns are too right now.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
It's like telling an NBA player play like it's two
minutes left in a tie game, in the fourth quarter,
in the playoffs, every single minute you're on the court,
Why you.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Just kid your a blow attire?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You're right? And like I said, nowadays start Can you
imagine back in the day of starting pitchers only went
four innings, you'd be thrown out of baseball. You say,
get out of here. You know you're going to the bullpen.
You're gonna be a reliever.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
We don't need your type, that's for sure.
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Speaker 4 (23:20):
It's our buddy, Bill Krakeenberger.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Howre you doing?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Bill?
Speaker 10 (23:23):
Hey? How you guys doing? All right? I'm in Vegas.
I'm out of the casino, but I moved to a
little bit more of a quiet spot. Why wouldn't I
be out in the casino Thursday night football? Of course?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Right, of course? I love it, absolutely love it. Let's
get right to the games. First of all, how much
money is coming in on that Indian Ada Notre Dame game?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
And I think the play here is just taking Indian
added to win the game out right?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And get what what is it like plus two sixty
or three to one with cannons?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Can you get on that game?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You know?
Speaker 10 (23:48):
You know what's amazing? You say that game? Because the
sportsbook director here at the casino, I'm at on his
way out. He stops me, and there's so nice to
me because hey, in the restaurant or anything. I said, no,
I'm good to have Ampareadi. It's real nice here. I said,
what's going on you guys? He goes, well, what's going on?
He goes, I can't get any Indiana money. So that's
just amazing that that's the game you pick out of nowhere.
(24:08):
I think only one game he mentioned to me that
was like, you' knew, but no, this is a it's
actually more of a sportsbook here where they have lots
of people that are just jolle publics and that's what
they play. They're playing Notre Dames, they're playing big favors.
That that's just the way it is over here. You know,
they're they're playing Baltimore. That was the second biggest risk
right now. He said, everyone's met in Baltimore. Can't get oh,
(24:29):
Pittsburgh money. But yeah, so but your your money line
where I'm at is the best line in the country.
Plus two fifty on Indiana on the money line, best
line in the country.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Wow. Correct. Let me ask you what's one of these teams.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Obviously, first time we've had this twelve team playoff, and
so most of the time it's usual suspects. Right when
we're thinking about it, the Georgia is the Alabama and
so on, Like what the hell is Boise State in
Arizona State doing in the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Like that's normally something we don't see.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
What's one of these teams that are maybe not they're
the usual suspects that you give a shot to win
this whole thing at like long garage.
Speaker 10 (25:05):
Well, you know, another thing too is I don't bet
a lot of those future type of bets, So I
don't I don't bet. I don't bet those type of
future bets only because you're betting into that type of
a pool, and when you bet into that type of
a pool, you're you're going to get bad odds compared
to just you know, you can actually moneyline parlay, a
mechanical moneyline parlay, and you can actually get a better
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ROI than the future. However, I have no problem with
someone throwing a peanut or something on a bet where
where where they're not going to really get hurt, they
throw a couple of bucks on it on something. I
have no problem with doing anything like that. But as
far as myself though, I didn't bet anything, so it
be unfair to give you anything, you know, a long
(25:47):
shot on them. But if I have to pick like
one of the teams. Though, I'll tell you, though I
believe it or not, I have no problem with betting
favorites in college football, not the NFL. I'm not a NFL.
You could never see me lay double digits on a game. Never.
And by the way, I don't lay anything over three,
nothing over three ever. It's just the way I bet.
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I've been betting that way for years, very successful. Thront
have a lot of sportsbooks for doing that, but they,
you know, they don't like guys that just take underdogs
and shop lines this and that. But however, as far
as myself though, for in college football, you can lay it.
And guess why you could even lay double digits. You
can you can lay you know, Florida now versus Laine.
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I'll use that game Friday. Well, it opened up twelve,
went down to ten, and now it's pretty solid ten.
And you know, I have no problem laying the ten
points on a game like that or a team like that.
But as far as futures goes, I kind of stay
away from that field because it's twenty five to forty
percent hold compared to a straight bet, which is four
and a half percent. I mean to get a mathematical
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on you guys, and I don't want to bore people.
But I'm here. I'm here to make money. I bet
sports to make money. My life's my livelihood. So I'm
looking to best something with a lower hold and looking off.
Got a future, But I have no problem betting a
long shot and have a little saw with ten grocery
and ten grocery dollars.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Some much speaking about double digits, Texas a twelve point
favorite over Clubs, and I actually think that game is
going to be closer then people are expecting.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
I like the points bill. What are you thinking about
that game?
Speaker 10 (27:15):
Well, I'll tell you you know, believe it or not.
Some of the sports books that do with the newer
sportsbooks at the Company to the Country open that game
eleven and a half and twelve. Well, here in Vegas
one of the sharpest sports books that people pay attention to.
There's only two or three in the whole world. The
one is called Circa here in Vegas because they take
the biggest bets. They take giant bets. Whatever you can
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bring to the counter and jump out. I don't care
what the million bucks, They'll take that kind of money.
That's that's the kind of sports book it is. They
opened up an eight and a half on that game.
They liked Clemson right away, and they didn't mind taking
Texas bets minus eight and a half, nine and a
half and ten, and I agree with that. And by
the way, that's what I mean. I agree with you Clemson.
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We have sports books in this town. Well by living
in this town, they get the advantages here. I can
look right now, there's twelve, there's twelve and a half,
and there's a thirteam wet State. So we have the
advantages of having those different lines, and those are half
the points and points mean something. So I'll tell you
plus thirteen sounds like a pretty good bet to me.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
So yeah, Ohio State last time out they lost to Michigan,
who had I thought him Amica Whiskey's starting a quarterback.
He couldn't even throw the ball, and you know, Will
Howard wasn't great, big Robberie game, and you have the
fallout from that with Ohio State and Ryan. They still
talking about the Michigan game and they're hosting Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
What's your read on that game?
Speaker 10 (28:36):
Game opened up seven, quickly went to seven and a half.
It's still seven and a half at most books. However,
I use the Sharp books in town. I have a
live on screen which shows you the live ox from
every sports book in the world. The first three or
are a place called Chris circa Kina. They're the ones
that control the market wherever they go. The rest of
them sports books go. All three of them are favoring
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the do up Tennessee. But yet I can't pull the
trigger in that game on Tennessee rsut Ohio State. So
I'm probably going to remain neutral on that game. Maybe
maybe Lean Courton is the under a little There could
be more of a grind out game than people think.
Under forty six and a half. There's a couple of
forty sevens out there. But as far as a side,
I do not have a side on that game.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Bill.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I thought the Penn State line at eight and a
half that people were going to just flock to Penn
State and bet that thing up to like nine nine
and a half ten. I thought Penn State was the
best pick of the week. What's going on there?
Speaker 10 (29:31):
You know? I have only eight and a half out
here in Vegas one two, three, four, five, six, seventy
nineteen eleven. I have eleven line sets in front of me. Wow,
including bet NGM and ben GM is eight and a
half minus eight and a half minus fifteen Penn State there,
and if anything, even though I didn't bet that game
is anything, I have to lean to the favorite there.
I don't know if is that what you said that
(29:51):
you said you mean, yeah, Penn State. Yeah, it's like
it's like it's like I jumped on everything you liked.
I mean that unbelievable Clemsons at Penn State. I mean,
I'll give you guys a weird game. Let me give
you an odd game. I know you're not going to
ask me about. Also Saturday, I look to the more
smaller kind of things, like the SCS playoffs, the South
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Dakota State playing North Dakota State. North Dakota State always
this particular game always plays pretty tough. I would take
the dog plus three points no matter what, no matter
what team it was. But I get plus three and
a half at MGM, which is my sponsor of my
show on Sunday at MGM plus three and a half
North Dakota State, Oh my god, I really like that
(30:33):
extra half a point could mean something here North Dakota
State or South Dakota State. And you know what, the
line is not as efficient as some of these bigger
schools Penn State, Texas, Oklahoma. I'm in Ohio State. So
the line is not as efficient for these smaller schools
which people don't even look at. Some people, most people
don't even know they're playing the South Dakota mont Santa State,
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South Dakota State, North Dakota State. I look at more
of the smaller schools. I've seen them on even my
showtime show. I said that I was looking at Maine
when everyone was looking at Notre Dame. This is back
a couple of years ago. But I'm looking at the
smaller schools North Dakota State plus that three and a half.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I at MGM, go ahead, Martin, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
I wasn't about to ask you about the Bison versus
the jack Rabbits. I'm surprised I'd even know, budd.
Speaker 10 (31:19):
I don't know that. I got to be honest for you.
I don't know that. I don't know the name of
the schools.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I don't need to know, though, you have any NFL
picks field before you let you go in the NFL ones.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
NFL this weekend. Well, first I'll just tell you I
have a big sweat. I'm in this fourteen and a
half million dollars pool here with now to fifty people.
I'm still yeah from.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
How many started, how many started?
Speaker 10 (31:42):
Fourteen thousand, two hundred people. I have twenty percent of
a team, which the teams that worked about three hundred
thousand dollars each. Now there's only fifty of them, forty
nine actually, So I have a stake and a team
and I need it. Sounds pretty easy. But green Bay,
I have our teams. Haven't green Bay this speacause I'll
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be for green Bay Monday night. Again, it sounds easy.
I know green Bay minus fourteen. All we do is
need no points though, zero points, So I'll be looking
for them. But as far as as far as the
game goes, I'll tell you everyone else seems like Washington,
the home team there, got some love earlier in the week.
They got all the three and a half got taken
away and Philadelphia money came in. I agree with the
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Philadelphia money. I like Philadelphia over Washington. Just listen. I'm
not going to say they needs a game for the division,
but they're gonna want to play that game, you know,
then they're on a roll. By the way, you have
two teams maybe going in two different directions. Washington almost
lost out right last week at the last minute. Philadelphia's
been looking really good. Give me Philly on the money line.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
And by the way, how much was the buying? Can
I ask for that.
Speaker 10 (32:45):
Forte now thousand dollars each? I bought him? I had
ten entries, I admitted, Yeah, no, I had ten entries,
but but unbelievably down to I'm in on one entry
and we're partners. There's there's a whole group of bus
partners the centry. So we just need to win out.
You have to go twenty and oh twenty and oh
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no point spread. I mean, what can go wrong? Wow?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I love whether you say we'll just share the prize.
How many teams have to be left before you off up?
Speaker 10 (33:15):
Behre here. Last year, four teams shared the prize one
point five million each, and then they played through the
extra three million dollars, which one guy won, so he
won four point five million. There may be a there
may be a split in this pool too. I'm sure
you know half the field was eliminated in the first
three weeks, so we didn't expect to even have fifty
teams left at the time of the year. By the way,
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here's a tough thing. It's not only week sixteen. We're
gonna use a week seventeen a they call it, which
is wow. It's the two games on Christmas and the
day after, so you have to have one of those
six teams remaining that's its own week, and then Christmas week.
So we have to get by four more weeks here.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
No, I love it all right, Bill, look always a pleasure.
We'll check you out on Sundays. Thanks for stopping by.
Good luck tonight, my friend.
Speaker 10 (34:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Want to get into the Jets and the owner, Woody Johnson.
By now, everybody's heard the story. I don't know if
you've heard, Martin, but we find out now that the
owner of the Jets actually turned down a trade for
Jerry Judy due to the Madden rating because what Madden
had the ratings for.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
He said, no, no, I'm gonna go ahead.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
And turn it down. And we also find out that
his two sons.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
They were a seventeen year old and a fifteen year old.
I don't want to give their names, but his two
sons were a big part of his decision making, and
they would go into the locker room, their friends would
go into the locker room. The GM once said, quote
unquote in twenty twenty four, I have to answer to
a teenager. What did you think about when you saw this?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Man?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I was actually laughing. I'm like, this can't be true.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
This first I thought it was a bogus story and
I was reading the.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Onion or something like that. I know, observio it's like.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
No.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
So my first thoughts were so my first thoughts were Okay,
like some of this I don't have the biggest problem with.
Do I think that a Parlayers matting ranking should be
the end all be all of why you accept or
deny you trade? No, But also like Jerry Judy's having
a career year right now, but at that time, like
(01:50):
I remember, I'm well enough to remember when he and
Steve Smith were arguing back and forth to the Judy. Yeah,
he just had his first thousand yard receiving a year.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
So maybe it wasn't the best idea that.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
The Madden ratings should have been the in and outs,
But the idea that you didn't want to trade for
Jerry Judy, who prior to this year had been a
massive disappointment.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
I don't have a big problem with.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
The one I do have a big problem with is
apparently you had Woody Johnson in the locker room yelling
at Mike White, who was frustrated after a game, and
then what he was like, basically I'm paraphrasing here, essentially.
Speaker 7 (02:27):
You should be mad because you sucked. And then the
Jets came out and said, well, you know.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
What, at least what do you apologize? So at least
what do you apologize to that? That's crazy to me
as to see the like, imagine Arnie.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
If your boss has called you up after a show,
you were upset about it.
Speaker 7 (02:45):
You know, actually, Alreadie, you need to be upset because
you don't even you act like you've never seen a.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Football game before, like what, you know? This crazy? But
then the other thing that got me to was the
kid in the locker room giving the game ball special.
It's one thing for the kid to be in the
locker room, it's another thing for the kid to be.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
In the locker room like my dad owns this team,
said we own this too.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And not only that, not only did they they gave
him the game ball was supposed to go to the
head coach Martin, you know what I mean, supposed to
go to So I found the whole thing funny. But
as I was going to rip Woody Johnson. I started
thinking to myself when you just brought up to the point, well,
have you ever had a boss.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
To yell at?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
You?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Listen to all the listeners out there can certainly, you know,
comprehend with this. I remember getting into it with one
of my bosses, screaming at each other, like in the hallway,
just screaming as the music to my show was playing.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
And they're yelling at the guy. And I don't want
to give his name, but they're like Tom, Tom, the
guy's got a show to do, and we're.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Just and I'm when I'm talking about screaming, I'm talking
about like a just like Sam Kennison screaming, just yelling
at each other as the music's playing. I'm sure there's
a lot of listeners right now can certainly remember times
that they've gotten into it with their boss.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
That's the way it used to be. Back then, It
really did, Martin. They boss used to really chew you
out like crazy.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
It was insane.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Well, you know back then and did in Philadelphia where
Nick Siriann he's not afraid that, So you know, I
guess what is old is new again. But honestly, though
the biggest takeaway from this story for me is like,
you have other jobs that are available right now in
the in the NFL. Chicago's gonna pop available. We saw
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their dysfunction. New Orleans is available. Uh, you know, maybe
the Jet, maybe the Giants is available. Aren't he congratulations
with the New York Jets because you have one one
championship and that championship is the worst job in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
That is it right here? Put it on the belt.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
This is the worst shop in the NFL because you
can I think you can deal with like inept management,
Like if your boss is stupid, that's one thing, but
this is like your boss like you maybe you could
trick your boss into like, no, we really should do
it this way. You can figure out a way to
maneuver around that scenario.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
But this is like, I don't think that he's just
flat dumb.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
He's just literally at every step of the way making
making things that should be three steps be five steps long.
And that's just never gonna make something work.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Now, wait that we're also talking about the same team
that made the back to back AFC championships, correct, So,
and I know it's been a long time since they've
made the playoff.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
I'm about to say, Arnie, all the guys who are
in those back to back ANFC championship games now talk
on TV about football.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
They talk about football, but it isn't like they've had
all this time. It isn't like to the Chicago Cubs,
I guess, is what I'm saying, where they haven't won
anything in like one hundred years. So take that into consideration.
My question is he doing it all wrong? Should he should
listen to his teenage kids?
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
So I gotta tell you, there's a lot of owners
that's speaking over with their families, wives, cousins, sons. Maybe
they don't take it for gospel what they say, but
they certainly do talk it over with them. How do
you think all these sons have taken over for their
fathers over the years, like like Davis took over for
his father, Al Davis should think just now he's learning
(06:32):
the game of foot, Paul, You didn't think he started
learning it when he was just a kid.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
And what was going on there?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Martin?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So I bet you this probably went on a lot more.
We just never found out about it, you know.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Well, yeah, but this but this that also shows like
some of the dysfunction that comes with a family organization.
Right when you look at there's certain levels like you
could look, you could do it the Rooney way, or
you could do it the Jerry Jones way, where it's like, oh,
you know, this is the Jerry Jones.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Excuse me, I'd say this is the Jerry Owns model.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Essentially, he just does less press conferences and less radio shows.
But he's involved in every aspect of everything, right from
saying bench a guy to you know, but draft this guy.
But the Rooneys they hire people and they get out
of the way. And then you allow your football people
who you hire, you put in power to make the
football decisions. Right, Like you know, they say it all
(07:22):
the time in creative circles, you shouldn't take creative notes
from non creatives, right, don't.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Listen to the suits.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Well, it's like same thing in football to an extent,
like hire your football guy and then don't listen to
the suits, get.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Out of their way, let them make that. And I'm
totally behind that, and you're one hundred percent right on that.
Sure he's made some bad moves, but is it like
other owners of other general managers having made bad moves.
Look at Bill Belichick and his drafting record. That guy's
considered one of the iconic coaches of all time, and
he couldn't get it right to save his life in
(07:55):
the draft.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
I mean, he was horrible, Martin.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
I mean, Bill Belichick's also drafted roll Hall of famers,
Like I get, I get with the point that we
say that a lot, but like he did draft Cronk
in the fourth round and Aaron Hernandez and Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Aaron Hernandez a good draft pick at that point.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
But go ahead, what I mean, all right, I'm not
ying you mean to I know, thank you. Put the
point on man, Vince Wolfork like those Mike Rabel, like
these guys who he drafted are pretty damn good players,
like gentleman, even a.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Blind squirrel, right, Isn't that what they say finds an acorn?
So I guess it's probably the same situation there, not
that Woody Johnson's right, Let's face it, there's certainly a
lot of things this guy does that is that the
Jets fans just absolutely besides themselves. But I'm curious to
see how all it's gonna take it to get it right.
What's gonna be his next move. Aaron Rodgers wasn't the
(08:48):
right thing. I promised you that he looks old and slow. Yeah,
he's playing better football, but he's never gonna be the answer.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
He's not gonna be the answer for next year.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
And I think they're gonna have to bring him back
bart and I don't think they have much.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Of a choice. Is gonna.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Jeez, Louise, I mean, how does don't know how you
sell it after the fan base?
Speaker 5 (09:07):
I really don't.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
I really think that this is in a dark, dark place,
and the only thing that saves them, quite honestly, is
the fact that the Giants, you're in a darker place
between Tommy DeVito and Drew Lock. Seriously, they got people
flying banners over the Giants stadium. I wouldn't be surprised
to see you doing the same thing over the Jets soon.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Who would you rather have at your quarterback? If you're
the Jets? Would you want to be Rogers back in
another year? Would you want to go ahead and go
after somebody like a Daniel Jones? Wouldn't that be ironic
going from the Giants to the Jets. Would you go
after somebody like Sam Donald? Do they say he's.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Gonna command a lot of money. I'm not giving him
a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I'm not giving him fifty million a year, so you
better cut that out.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
There's no chance the Jets can sign Sam Darnald to
a fifty million dollars a year contract.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
No, especially after they've had him for you know, no chance.
I mean, that's who do you go after?
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Who who do you do?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
You keep Aaron Rodgers then, and that's what you do.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I probably just keep Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
What I would do is I try to hire somebody
on the Sean Payton, Dan Campbell. We're gonna give you
a whole lot of leeway.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Here, give you.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
One year, Aaron Rodgers to figure it out, to try
to bottom this thing out and rebuild from the bottom up.
Because I think I'm I'm moving off of almost everything
I've tried trade Garrett Wilson, I would move off. I
would tear this thing down to the studs and try
to build it back up. But you're not gonna get
long enough of a contract from Widy Johnson to do it.
So I think unfortunately they're just stuck in the hamster wheel.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
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Speaker 3 (10:44):
I want to talk about the Sammy Sosa apology, which
I thought I was actually going to lead the show with.
I thought this was like the biggest thing in sports.
After all these years, we finally get an apology.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Sammy Sosa apologized said he took steroids because you know,
he had the heel.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
It was one hundred and sixty two game.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Season producer, Rob you you had it like what listed
as like the ninetieth story today.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
You had it like under miscellaneous.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I had to, you know, scour all the topics today
just to find it. Was like, no big deal for you, right,
you didn't care much about it?
Speaker 8 (11:23):
No, because you know, the Odd Couple's a brand name
like Coca Cola or Xerox, and you know, talking about
Sammy Sosa and him using pds if we all knew
he did, you know, isn't as high in the priority
list for us.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
But I thought that was a big thing though.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I I to think we finally got an answer to this.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
I don't know, Martini.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Did you when you heard it, were You're like, oh
my god, finally Sammy Sosa comes clean.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I can't believe we got an apology. This is incredible.
I I'll be honest with you. Maybe it's a generational thing.
Speaker 9 (11:55):
But yeah, when you sent me your hand written photo
of the yes and I scrolled it, well, I say scroll,
stand with my eyes because there is.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
No scroll on the legal pad.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
I at the Google Soco apology to see who you
were talking about.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Wow, I was, I was legitimately. I don't get me wrong.
I know who Sammy Sosa is, right right, Well, I
familiar with the Chicago Cubs in the story.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
All I'm saying is I had so little of notice
that this happened today that when I said Soso apologizes
so well.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
This could be anything.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Did Edgars Hosa from Louisville basketball fifteen years ago apologize
for ripping off Michigan in that National Championship game?
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Well, well, what are we talking about? You know, oh
Sammy Sosa?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Oh okay, I want people to tweet us at Martin Weisse,
at stinking genius one. I don't think people remember we've
kept people out of the Hall of fame for steroid use.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
We've called them cheaters.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
We had them in front of Congress, we had people
wagging their finger. I did not use steroids. It was
a big story back then.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
This was so I'm not debating that and saying it's
not a big story. But part of the reason why
this apology I don't think is resonating with with Rob
G and me.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
The way it is resonating with you is Rob G.
I'm speaking for you as well here.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
But we always thought Sammy Socier was doing pedes.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
So it's like, oh, yeah, no kidding. The sun comes
up in the east, like yeah, we we knew they
like we knew that this was happening.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
So it's when he gets the apology, and I guess,
you know, it's all cool to be a good moment
when he can go back and shake hands and Wrigley
Field and and you know, the exile from the Cubs
is over.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
But Rob G, Rob Parker is a baseball guy. You
must have talked to him today. I bet you he
was just like, you know all over this Sammy Socis story.
Was he not or what when.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
I talk to him?
Speaker 8 (13:49):
No, But let me just say about this story. This
is we are talking about it. Maybe that's what he
called that might.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Be wise let Sammy back into baseball, But I think.
Speaker 8 (13:57):
Him coming clean is like the footnote in the story.
The story to me is that this all stems from
the Chicago Cubs saying, we are not going to invite
you to this, you know, fan fest. What was that
we're doing unless we get some kind of apology for
the you know, public schmearing you did of our brand
during that era, because we all knew you were on
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Royd's and it was a bad look for us that
the face of our franchise was not clean. And I
think that is the biggest croc that I have heard
in a long long time.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Because everybody knows if you.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
Were alive in watching sports during that time in the nineties,
that baseball, to put it mildly, was dead or dying. Yes,
oh strike it was a low. It was a down period,
and Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa saved baseball. They were
juiced up to the gills. They were on things that
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you know, was and dinner whatever one that McGuire was.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
He wasn't even hiding. Remember, he's right.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
There right behind him like he was promoting it, and
everybody knew that they were on that stuff, but the
chase to seventy or to sixty one was all anybody
cared about. Like, man, these guys are hitting dingers like
every four at bats. I can't miss these games. I
gotta watch it. And so for the.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Hustuff breakins, it used to be at the bottom right
hand quarter.
Speaker 8 (15:18):
We used to absolutely And so for the Chicago Cubs
to be this level of hypocritical to be like, hey,
you made us look bad when the only reason people
cared about you and your sport in general was because
of what he was doing. So for them to Matt
an apology, I thought.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Was it's almost like if the Warriors were demanding apology
for Steph Curry for load management, like if you all
know this was happening, and kind of were like, win, Wig,
we don't mind so much as long as you keep
on bringing in the dollars.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It was, you know, and I agree with Rob g
this was I mean, everybody knew he was on this,
but back then we wanted blood. We wanted him out
of baseball, not just semi everybody that used stero or
performance enhancing drugs. We wanted to call them cheaters. We
wanted to give them the scarlet letter. We want everything
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bad about them. Notice how time has changed everything. Is
there anybody still out there that says these guys are
still cheaters and Bond should be left out of the
Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5 (16:18):
What about Bonds?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I mean, is he gonna write a letter about this? Also?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
He should be. I mean he's one of the greatest too.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
I mean maybe he should because I think the maybe
and I think part of it is aready like maybe
I was, like full disclosure, I saw some of those
cut ins as well. They were just on like Nickelodeon
at the time. Legitimately, I remember seeing Sammy Sosa and
Marbla Guire cut ins on Nickelodeon. But that's the age
I was when this was happening, So like, I didn't
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have the anger in the venom and all that when
it turned out that on him and Caseenko and Bonds
and whoever was already get in trouble.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
And honestly, this is a I know, the couples of brand.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
What do you say, like like Xerox, Colon, Xerox and Coke.
So I apologize, but I hold baseball writers to task
much more than I hold baseball players to task because
every if everybody knew that everybody was juicing, why weren't
they writing about it in the moment?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Right?
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Is all this stuff comes on after the fact. All
this stuff comes up way and like you know, now
all of a sudden, No, but everybody knew and it
was just unspoked. Who I mean, look, if Lebron's been
taking acas for the last six years, I would like
to know about it.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, the question is this, guys, how much cheating went
on in baseball? How much cheating still goes on to
I mean, if they found the way to still you know,
bypass all the testing out there, how much cheating just
goes on in sports?
Speaker 5 (17:38):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
How much cheating does it go on in all sports
out there? Not only would performance enhancing drugs, you know,
other little stuff too, where maybe you're putting something inside
your glove or you have a foreign substance on there
to get a better grip of the baseball or something
to that effect. You tell me, is there's still a
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lot of cheating that goes on in sports or what?
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Absolutely, But I think cheating is too strong of a term.
I think if you're looking at people who directly take
the rule book and violate it. I think that happens
very very rarely. But I think if they say, oh,
you know what, there's a loophole here that I can exploit,
I think that happens all the time. But I think
it's against the spirit of the rules, right, Like it's
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you can have something that's not cheating, but it's also
against the spirit of the rules at the same time.
And I think that happens a lot more frequent And
I think, I think what.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
Makes this specific story, you know, to bring it back
full circle, what makes it such a different conversation is
Sammy Sosa, Mark Maguire, Roger Clamens. They weren't the only
guys on ped now. That's why it's called the ped era,
the steroids era. Everybody was doing it. So if everybody,
if you look at it in that regard, they're on
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an equal playing field, because it's not like if you
say today, you know, hypothetically everybody today is clean, then
it's an equal playing field. If back in the nineties
everybody's on Royds, then is an equal playing field. And
you can't, you know, judge one guy and not the other,
or one era and not the other when, like, I
don't even view it as cheating if it was that
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widespread anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Right, right, And I don't think that's the reason why. Now,
maybe it helped them a little bit, but they're all
still great players. They didn't hit seventy plus home runs
because they were on performance enhancing drugs.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
They had to get healthy.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Beg on peds doesn't help you hit a curveball, okay,
because if it did, I would be taking it and
going out there batting three hundred and hitting fifty home runs.
But that doesn't It doesn't make you do that. Some
pills make people get better, some don't. All right, perforemantinantic drugs.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
About healing, not so much about how far you're gonna
hit a baseball.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
It's the recovery.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Is that they're kind of in a sport like baseball,
where you're playing one hundred and sixty two games over
what a hundred in seventy five days, you need.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
That recovery more than any I think, not more than
any of the sporcers.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Footballs are so violent, but just the day in, day out,
no sport has attacks like baseball.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I think we're gonna get to the point now, guys
where they're gonna have to do eighty one games and
eighty one games for baseball. The reason I bring that
up is because after eighty one games, if you already
clinched the spot in the playoffs, maybe you could rest
some of your superstars in the second half of the season.
Uh you maybe play some of your youngsters.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Uh you know that way.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
You can't having one hundred and sixty two games.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
That's just murderous. You're just it's just too tough nowadays.
I think you'd have to have the split season up,
ease up some of the workload out there.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Why is it tougher nowadays than it was back in
the day, Like this is base Baseball is not one
of those sports where I'd say, oh man, the athletes
are so much bigger, stronger, faster. It causes more pain
on my joints. Like baseball still played the same save
for the pitchers, but I decided they have to throw
one hundred miles an hour every pitch.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Baseball the sport and the rules and all that haven't changed.
And say pitch clock in size of base and so on,
but what's valued, and like spin rate and like the
ability to calculate that level of torque. I heard people
smarter baseball people than me talking about This is where
I'm stealing this take from. But the spin like different.
The way that the analytics has influenced spin rate and
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extive velocity and so all these things. It forces now
athletes as they're coming up the up the pipeline to
get to the majors.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
That's what scouts are looking for.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
So you got kids younger and younger trying to do
things that they shouldn't be doing until they become adults,
because that's fair because the danger on.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
But they're they're pitching a lot less.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Also, I mean nowadays starters only go four innings right
then after that.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
But they're throwing as hard as they can for four innings.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Find out, no one Ryan was thrown as hard as
he cat freight yet.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
But like if you, I know, you watch a lot
of baseball, and we have baseball here, like you will
listen to Greg Maddox talk. You listen to you know,
Uhlanders most famous hit of this yeason. He's like, when
I came up, I had to know, Hey, I gotta
go seven innings in this one. I can't be throwing
one hundred and one hundred and two in the second inning.
I gotta ramp myself up. I gotta save some energy.
I gotta be able to have my stuff working to
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and get through the whole game. Nowadays, what Martin is saying,
there's saying, hey, you're only going four innings, Throw as
hard as you can with as much torque, as much
spin as possible, and what about the rest later? And
that's why Tommy Johns are too right now.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
It's like telling an NBA player play like it's two
minutes left in a tie game, in the fourth quarter,
in the playoffs, every single minute you're on the court,
Why you.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Just kid your a blow attire?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You're right? And like I said, nowadays start Can you
imagine back in the day of starting pitchers only went
four innings, you'd be thrown out of baseball. You say,
get out of here. You know you're going to the bullpen.
You're gonna be a reliever.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
We don't need your type, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
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Speaker 4 (23:20):
It's our buddy, Bill Krakeenberger.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Howre you doing?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Bill?
Speaker 10 (23:23):
Hey? How you guys doing? All right? I'm in Vegas.
I'm out of the casino, but I moved to a
little bit more of a quiet spot. Why wouldn't I
be out in the casino Thursday night football? Of course?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Right, of course? I love it, absolutely love it. Let's
get right to the games. First of all, how much
money is coming in on that Indian Ada Notre Dame game?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
And I think the play here is just taking Indian
added to win the game out right?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And get what what is it like plus two sixty
or three to one with cannons?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Can you get on that game?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You know?
Speaker 10 (23:48):
You know what's amazing? You say that game? Because the
sportsbook director here at the casino, I'm at on his
way out. He stops me, and there's so nice to
me because hey, in the restaurant or anything. I said, no,
I'm good to have Ampareadi. It's real nice here. I said,
what's going on you guys? He goes, well, what's going on?
He goes, I can't get any Indiana money. So that's
just amazing that that's the game you pick out of nowhere.
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I think only one game he mentioned to me that
was like, you' knew, but no, this is a it's
actually more of a sportsbook here where they have lots
of people that are just jolle publics and that's what
they play. They're playing Notre Dames, they're playing big favors.
That that's just the way it is over here. You know,
they're they're playing Baltimore. That was the second biggest risk
right now. He said, everyone's met in Baltimore. Can't get oh,
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Pittsburgh money. But yeah, so but your your money line
where I'm at is the best line in the country.
Plus two fifty on Indiana on the money line, best
line in the country.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Wow. Correct. Let me ask you what's one of these teams.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Obviously, first time we've had this twelve team playoff, and
so most of the time it's usual suspects. Right when
we're thinking about it, the Georgia is the Alabama and
so on, Like what the hell is Boise State in
Arizona State doing in the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Like that's normally something we don't see.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
What's one of these teams that are maybe not they're
the usual suspects that you give a shot to win
this whole thing at like long garage.
Speaker 10 (25:05):
Well, you know, another thing too is I don't bet
a lot of those future type of bets, So I
don't I don't bet. I don't bet those type of
future bets only because you're betting into that type of
a pool, and when you bet into that type of
a pool, you're you're going to get bad odds compared
to just you know, you can actually moneyline parlay, a
mechanical moneyline parlay, and you can actually get a better
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ROI than the future. However, I have no problem with
someone throwing a peanut or something on a bet where
where where they're not going to really get hurt, they
throw a couple of bucks on it on something. I
have no problem with doing anything like that. But as
far as myself though, I didn't bet anything, so it
be unfair to give you anything, you know, a long
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shot on them. But if I have to pick like
one of the teams. Though, I'll tell you, though I
believe it or not, I have no problem with betting
favorites in college football, not the NFL. I'm not a NFL.
You could never see me lay double digits on a game. Never.
And by the way, I don't lay anything over three,
nothing over three ever. It's just the way I bet.
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I've been betting that way for years, very successful. Thront
have a lot of sportsbooks for doing that, but they,
you know, they don't like guys that just take underdogs
and shop lines this and that. But however, as far
as myself though, for in college football, you can lay it.
And guess why you could even lay double digits. You
can you can lay you know, Florida now versus Laine.
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I'll use that game Friday. Well, it opened up twelve,
went down to ten, and now it's pretty solid ten.
And you know, I have no problem laying the ten
points on a game like that or a team like that.
But as far as futures goes, I kind of stay
away from that field because it's twenty five to forty
percent hold compared to a straight bet, which is four
and a half percent. I mean to get a mathematical
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on you guys, and I don't want to bore people.
But I'm here. I'm here to make money. I bet
sports to make money. My life's my livelihood. So I'm
looking to best something with a lower hold and looking off.
Got a future, But I have no problem betting a
long shot and have a little saw with ten grocery
and ten grocery dollars.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Some much speaking about double digits, Texas a twelve point
favorite over Clubs, and I actually think that game is
going to be closer then people are expecting.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
I like the points bill. What are you thinking about
that game?
Speaker 10 (27:15):
Well, I'll tell you you know, believe it or not.
Some of the sports books that do with the newer
sportsbooks at the Company to the Country open that game
eleven and a half and twelve. Well, here in Vegas
one of the sharpest sports books that people pay attention to.
There's only two or three in the whole world. The
one is called Circa here in Vegas because they take
the biggest bets. They take giant bets. Whatever you can
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bring to the counter and jump out. I don't care
what the million bucks, They'll take that kind of money.
That's that's the kind of sports book it is. They
opened up an eight and a half on that game.
They liked Clemson right away, and they didn't mind taking
Texas bets minus eight and a half, nine and a
half and ten, and I agree with that. And by
the way, that's what I mean. I agree with you Clemson.
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We have sports books in this town. Well by living
in this town, they get the advantages here. I can
look right now, there's twelve, there's twelve and a half,
and there's a thirteam wet State. So we have the
advantages of having those different lines, and those are half
the points and points mean something. So I'll tell you
plus thirteen sounds like a pretty good bet to me.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
So yeah, Ohio State last time out they lost to Michigan,
who had I thought him Amica Whiskey's starting a quarterback.
He couldn't even throw the ball, and you know, Will
Howard wasn't great, big Robberie game, and you have the
fallout from that with Ohio State and Ryan. They still
talking about the Michigan game and they're hosting Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
What's your read on that game?
Speaker 10 (28:36):
Game opened up seven, quickly went to seven and a half.
It's still seven and a half at most books. However,
I use the Sharp books in town. I have a
live on screen which shows you the live ox from
every sports book in the world. The first three or
are a place called Chris circa Kina. They're the ones
that control the market wherever they go. The rest of
them sports books go. All three of them are favoring
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the do up Tennessee. But yet I can't pull the
trigger in that game on Tennessee rsut Ohio State. So
I'm probably going to remain neutral on that game. Maybe
maybe Lean Courton is the under a little There could
be more of a grind out game than people think.
Under forty six and a half. There's a couple of
forty sevens out there. But as far as a side,
I do not have a side on that game.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Bill.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I thought the Penn State line at eight and a
half that people were going to just flock to Penn
State and bet that thing up to like nine nine
and a half ten. I thought Penn State was the
best pick of the week. What's going on there?
Speaker 10 (29:31):
You know? I have only eight and a half out
here in Vegas one two, three, four, five, six, seventy
nineteen eleven. I have eleven line sets in front of me. Wow,
including bet NGM and ben GM is eight and a
half minus eight and a half minus fifteen Penn State there,
and if anything, even though I didn't bet that game
is anything, I have to lean to the favorite there.
I don't know if is that what you said that
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you said you mean, yeah, Penn State. Yeah, it's like
it's like it's like I jumped on everything you liked.
I mean that unbelievable Clemsons at Penn State. I mean,
I'll give you guys a weird game. Let me give
you an odd game. I know you're not going to
ask me about. Also Saturday, I look to the more
smaller kind of things, like the SCS playoffs, the South
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Dakota State playing North Dakota State. North Dakota State always
this particular game always plays pretty tough. I would take
the dog plus three points no matter what, no matter
what team it was. But I get plus three and
a half at MGM, which is my sponsor of my
show on Sunday at MGM plus three and a half
North Dakota State, Oh my god, I really like that
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extra half a point could mean something here North Dakota
State or South Dakota State. And you know what, the
line is not as efficient as some of these bigger
schools Penn State, Texas, Oklahoma. I'm in Ohio State. So
the line is not as efficient for these smaller schools
which people don't even look at. Some people, most people
don't even know they're playing the South Dakota mont Santa State,
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South Dakota State, North Dakota State. I look at more
of the smaller schools. I've seen them on even my
showtime show. I said that I was looking at Maine
when everyone was looking at Notre Dame. This is back
a couple of years ago. But I'm looking at the
smaller schools North Dakota State plus that three and a half.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I at MGM, go ahead, Martin, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
I wasn't about to ask you about the Bison versus
the jack Rabbits. I'm surprised I'd even know, budd.
Speaker 10 (31:19):
I don't know that. I got to be honest for you.
I don't know that. I don't know the name of
the schools.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I don't need to know, though, you have any NFL
picks field before you let you go in the NFL ones.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
NFL this weekend. Well, first I'll just tell you I
have a big sweat. I'm in this fourteen and a
half million dollars pool here with now to fifty people.
I'm still yeah from.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
How many started, how many started?
Speaker 10 (31:42):
Fourteen thousand, two hundred people. I have twenty percent of
a team, which the teams that worked about three hundred
thousand dollars each. Now there's only fifty of them, forty
nine actually, So I have a stake and a team
and I need it. Sounds pretty easy. But green Bay,
I have our teams. Haven't green Bay this speacause I'll
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be for green Bay Monday night. Again, it sounds easy.
I know green Bay minus fourteen. All we do is
need no points though, zero points, So I'll be looking
for them. But as far as as far as the
game goes, I'll tell you everyone else seems like Washington,
the home team there, got some love earlier in the week.
They got all the three and a half got taken
away and Philadelphia money came in. I agree with the
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Philadelphia money. I like Philadelphia over Washington. Just listen. I'm
not going to say they needs a game for the division,
but they're gonna want to play that game, you know,
then they're on a roll. By the way, you have
two teams maybe going in two different directions. Washington almost
lost out right last week at the last minute. Philadelphia's
been looking really good. Give me Philly on the money line.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
And by the way, how much was the buying? Can
I ask for that.
Speaker 10 (32:45):
Forte now thousand dollars each? I bought him? I had
ten entries, I admitted, Yeah, no, I had ten entries,
but but unbelievably down to I'm in on one entry
and we're partners. There's there's a whole group of bus
partners the centry. So we just need to win out.
You have to go twenty and oh twenty and oh
(33:05):
no point spread. I mean, what can go wrong? Wow?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I love whether you say we'll just share the prize.
How many teams have to be left before you off up?
Speaker 10 (33:15):
Behre here. Last year, four teams shared the prize one
point five million each, and then they played through the
extra three million dollars, which one guy won, so he
won four point five million. There may be a there
may be a split in this pool too. I'm sure
you know half the field was eliminated in the first
three weeks, so we didn't expect to even have fifty
teams left at the time of the year. By the way,
(33:38):
here's a tough thing. It's not only week sixteen. We're
gonna use a week seventeen a they call it, which
is wow. It's the two games on Christmas and the
day after, so you have to have one of those
six teams remaining that's its own week, and then Christmas week.
So we have to get by four more weeks here.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
No, I love it all right, Bill, look always a pleasure.
We'll check you out on Sundays. Thanks for stopping by.
Good luck tonight, my friend.
Speaker 10 (34:02):
Thank you guys,
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