January 9, 2025 • 30 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain why Penn State may need to fire James Franklin if he loses to Notre Dame tonight in the College Football Playoff semifinal, debate whether an NFL team should be willing to draft Shedeur and Shilo in order to acquire Deion Sanders as their next head coach and tell us if Brock Purdy deserves to be one of the five highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
We got the big game coming up in what twenty
five minutes, Yeah, big kickoff, and it's Penn State and
Notre Dame. And here's the big thing I guess that
I want to talk about today today is James Franklin,
the coach of Penn State. We know, we talk about
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Notre Dame all the time that Notre Dame hasn't won anything,
a big Bowl game or a national championship or anything
in thirty one years or whatever. But James Franklin has
been at Ohio State and just hasn't won big, big games,
enough big games to feel good about him.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Here's his moment. And I'm gonna say this too.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
If he doesn't win, and the point spread in this game,
they're only one in one point underdogs, so it's basically
a pick them right against Notre Dame. You're not ten
point underdogs, or you're not supposed to win this game.
A one point spread is basically a pick them, pick
them right.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
But here are the numbers and they're horrific. Are you ready?
James Franklin Penn State.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Seven and twenty five as an underdog as a head coach,
ohing to this season as an underdog. This is his
career versus top ten opponents three and nineteen versus Top
five opponents one in fourteen.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
These numbers are scary? Am I right? Serious? Time?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Like the way around it, there's no way around it.
You can't sugarcoat it whatever you want to do. I
think that the Penn State should beat Notre Dame, and
I know Notre Dame has a good defense offense I'm
not so hot about right, And we saw this in
Notre Dame's last game. They scored one touchdown offensive touchdown
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in that game, Calvin, that was on a turnover and
a thirteen yard drive for the score. That's all they
got offensively. So here's what I'm gonnay, I'm a step aside.
James Franklin needs to win this game to save his job.
I know people at Penn State will be like, we're
in the big game. Look at we had a chance
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to go to the national championship. But his record is
so abysmal that he has to cash in. Here's the
one when you get your ticket punched. And if you
can't get it punched. If I'm Penn State and the
people that run the athletic program, I gotta say to myself,
James Franklin can't get it done.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Look, I'm gonna tell you something, and I don't like
saying this too often, but you ain't wrong when you're right. Listen,
James Franklin has had a good coaching career thus far. Right,
He's done a really good job if you're comparing it
to every program around the country. The challenge is we
ain't comparing him to every coach around the country.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
We're comparing him to his contemporaries.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And when you start to you hit on some of
the numbers about how he's fared against some of these
top teams.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
You just mentioned one in fourteen at Penn State. Fourteen
top five teams. Yeah, right, So let's go even further
in these numbers. Some of the coaches that you would
hope a Penn State coach is competing against. Listen to
the success they've had against similar opponents, top five teams
that Nick Saban could argue the greatest of all time,
twenty four and eleven Alabama against top five teams, that
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Urban Meyer.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Right, that's why he's considered. And I think Nick Saban
is the best college football coach.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Right, and I would agree.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
So you go to another one who had a heck
of a run and then they got a little crazy
and then went to the NFL got crazy too. Urban
Meyer six ' to two while he was at who
A rivaled to Penn State and when he was at
Ohio State six and two versus top five teams is incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
You go to Georgia and Kirby Smart.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
We've seen what he's done over the last five six years,
eleven and seven. They all have winning records, and not
even just like winning, like as if it's barely winning.
They have big time winning records against top five opponents.
And even Ryan Day he's five and six, that's not
above five hundred, but he has five wins against these
top five teams, and so you start to say, well,
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what's going on here?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Why aren't they winning?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Now? The only other thing I would say, here's another
interesting one for you, Rob.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
All right, I have said some other teams that we
do this in this game. Nordre Dame. You look at
the New York Knicks, you look at the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Sometimes there are some schools that we I believe put
in higher echelon than maybe deserve it. And I explain
this top five opponents. Joe pertona one of the greatest
coaches of all time. You know what he was against
his fifteen times he played against the top five opponent.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Three and twelve. Rob, I get that.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So where I'm going with this is, maybe we have
put Penn State much loftier than it was warranted.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Maybe we have made Penn State more.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Than they really should be in the echelon of the
top programs in the country.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Now I hear you, And we do this all the time.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I used to say the same thing the bo Chamblack
Coller at Michigan, not the who's got a statue out front,
and they have revered And you notice you grew up
in ann Arbor. Yeah, dude, that dude never won a
national championship and celebrate it like there's nobody's business. You
better not say anything about both sham Beckler. Am I
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right or wrong?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Hey listen, I just told you ain't wrong. When you're right,
you better not say none bo bo okay. And he
never won a national championship.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And back then when both Shambleckerler was playing, it was
only it was the big one, the Big two, and
the rest.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Of the.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Average blue moon one other team, Right, that was it.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And so the point is that was okay back in
the day when you had long term coaches and you
you know what I mean, and they used to pick
the national champion rather than you play it, and you
had coaches were storied with program that just doesn't it's
a bigger fish to fry today.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, he's got to come out win, and he's got
to not only win, he's got to look dominated.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He can't, you know, he's.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Gotta he has to start to create something where I'm
the guy taking this program and in all fairness, where
it hasn't been in quite some time.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And this is it operations you mentioned, this is an
opportunity here for him to.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Because all the stats are there and people are gonna
look and go when they lose, if they if Penn
State loses and go James, he can't win a big game.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
That and add to that ro real quick, Ohio State
has been losing the Michigan lately. Now they could mess
around and win the National Championship and all of this
could go up and up and flames.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
If they win a national gym. You know that though, right, yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
But what I mean is, you know Michigan is supposed
to be down supposedly the next couple of years. You
got Ohio State, who has been really good and obviously
they look incredible now, but you know they look Michigan
beat him, and Michigan wasn't supposed to be a great team,
point being Penn State, if there was ever time to
kind of creep up in here and and dominate or.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
At least, you know, become a real contender to get
to the national Championship even if they don't win it.
Am I right?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Like like, if James Franklin can win this game and
they get to the National Championship, out of every big
it would be big for him and people could stop
saying he can't win a big game because that this
is a big game.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I agree all.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Right, eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven
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Speaker 3 (08:11):
It is The Odd Couple. And here's a question.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
If Penn State loses tonight the Notre Dame, should James
Franklin be fired. I really believe he should be, because
I would look for somebody else who can get you
over the top. He's it's not like he just has
been there for then, had a cup of coffee in
the sweet row. He's been there for a long time.
The track record and the numbers are horrendous. He needs
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to win this big time.
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Speaker 1 (08:48):
Let's talk about Dion Sanders and this whole NFL thing.
We do have sound from Dion talking about potentially about
the NFL and all that.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Let's hear from Dion. But is there a chance that
you could have to the NFL? I know where you're
going to go about, right, Yeah? If I respond, you
know what we're going about, right?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I know?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
The only way I would consider is to coach my
son son sons. Okay, I think we're gonna go rib with.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Well.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I love Colorado now, I love my Buffalo's. I love
everything that we're building. I love everything that we're doing,
and I love Boulder, Colorado.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I do. Here's a problem I have what that? What's that?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
The the only way is that his sons have to
be on the team, and I do have a problem
with it. For all that he's done, all the good stuff,
you know what I mean, and and his that's that's
not the issue. It's when you try to manufacture and
put things in. Okay, So one of your sons isn't
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playing well, is he not? As he benched? Somebody's playing
better that is he benched? No, he's playing regardless because
I'm the coach, and you lose the rest of the team,
like you put yourself in a very Now, if you
just happen to be your son is a star player
and you happen to be you know, and you're the
coach or whatever, there's no issue. There's no issue when
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life is good. It's when things are bad, okay. And
Davonte Adams is a perfect example of I want to
go play and live in Las Vegas and I want
to go play with my former college quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Why a great time?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
How'd that work out in Las Vegas for Davonte Adams?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Okay in New York? Yeah, but you get me.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You're trying to manufacture something and it doesn't always work
out where people are trying. Well, I want to go
here and I want to Oh they just got fired.
Now now what? Or you know what I mean? Like that?
That's all I'm saying. Not if it happens organically and
it worn't in your kids a star the team, then
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there's no issue. It's when he's not the star and
now you got to make a change or bench or
the ownership wants to trade him.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Do you know what I like? Like, that's the only
issue I have with it.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Well, I think this is just a case of prime
prime in what he's doing is setting himself up for
a win win rob he's doing. I actually believe that
he doesn't have interest in going to the NFL right now.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I don't believe it necessarily the never.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I just believe I think he's enjoyed being one of
the top dogs in college football, went from one game
to I believe it was six that you know, when
they got there. The year before they'd only won one.
Then they went six, then they went nine. He's produced
a Heisman Trophy winner, probably gonna produce two top five
players in the NFL draft. I think he's thoroughly enjoying
this Colorado Buffalo run. So there's no interest and leaving
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to the league right now. But if I'm gonna throw
this out here just so I can have it my way,
if it were to happen, if you were to happen
to draft my son or my sons, and mind you,
he has three, because he thinks of Travis Hunter as
a son.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
If you have one.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Of my sons, or maybe both of my sons are
all three, and you happen to have them, then by golly,
I may come coaching.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
That's not that's not realistic. If that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
If they're both top five picks, how in the world
are gonna be on the same team.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I don't think has to be next year, Rob. I
think he's saying it could be two years. Every three
years they get traded to it. You know, we've seen
people play together. I don't think he's saying this season
think he's saying, hypothetically down the line, if two of
my boys are playing together.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yes, I would want to coach.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
So that's why I think he's just coach priming, entertaining,
knowing he's gonna go viral, throwing it out there in
case on a random circuit.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Okay, so what one owner's gonna What owner is gonna
take that? Well, I don't think the owner is gonna.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
I don't think the owner can create where two sons
are on the same team to go back, you know what,
go back seven eight years, whatever it was. He's LeVar
balling my boys, all three of them gonna be on
the Lakers, all three, all three never lost. That's what's
going on here. He's just throwing it out creating something.
Maybe Donald Lion, some random GM says, yo, I wouldn't
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mind coach Sanders as our coach.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
We want coach Prime.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
And then they go, well, we already got Schadur or
we already got Shiloh, or we already got Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
And let's say Shiloh is a middling dB. That sound
sounds like, come on, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
He's only doing that because he knows it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Okay, all right, by one if it's one kid.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Now you're talking about trying to finago three kids, you
know what I mean? Like, like, that's just it's just
far fetched, is what it is. That's why I go
back to LeVar bah Ball. All three of his kids
didn't make it to the NBA. But that's why I
go back to LeVar. What was he screaming in our
ears for a year or two? All three of them
gonna play with the Lakers. I already seen it in
my dream and God told me. I think it's a
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little bit of that.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Coach Prime. One kid didn't even make it into the league. Yeah,
but he got the hottest song of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Don matter, but he didn't make it into the league.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Rob G. We're gonna be RW Orleans listening to it.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
No, Coach Prime is thoroughly enjoying college because college, Rob
is one place where you can become a deity as
you know that you start winning. Boy, this is why
we talked about James Franklin earlier. You can have a
job somewhere for ten, twenty twenty five thirty years, be
the toast of the town literally be the highest paid
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state official in the state.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
He ain't going nowhere. He's about to be the king.
I disagree. I'm not saying ever, but he ain't gone
on with this in a hurry.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I think if there's an opportunity for him. Colorado's nice.
You know, they had a chance this year to get
into the college football playoffs. They didn't get there, you know,
and his progress is cool. But if there's an opportunity
to move from Boulder, Colorado, I just I don't see
how how you wouldn't be interested in that. Well, I mean,
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are you saying pro are you saying bigger college?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Like?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, I just think that there would be an opportunity
for him to say, let's see where I can take it.
We talk about it all the time. You know, we've
never had a black coach in the college uh A
natural championship game? What I mean, let's think about that? Yeah,
I mean never hold on, Well.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
We will today.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
We will this year, right right, one of the two,
one of the So there's gonna be a for the
first time.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
This is twenty twenty five. Oh man, I gotta do
some math on that. Let me play one divided by
two plus three. Think about that. No, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Let me get a calculator, because if that's device six
a calculator, somebody, hold on.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Right, you gotta be missing somebody. BG on it.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I'm about to count somebody as an honorary brother, Jim
Boys an honorary bro.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Okay, okay, now we've crossed the long somebody, dang it crazy,
So we got one this year.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I just I think this is uh.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
If there was this, if he was talking about one
scenario one son one, I could see that this whole idea,
and he said and he went out of his way
to go sons.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Oh, he pluralized that thing. Yeah, you know you know what. Also,
I think he's doing rock and rob G. I think
we were.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Talking about this, you and I. I think he's trying
to make sure people don't forget Shiloh, who they projector
like a fifth sixth round. I think he's gonna go
a little earlier because I think he might perform very
well with the combine and then maybe go third, fourth round.
But point is, I think it's a lot of emphasis.
I know y'all know Shador. Everybody knows that Travis literally
is a Heisman winner. He looks up as you know,
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he looks at Coach Prime as a father figure. But
don't forget Shiloh. So I think emphasis on him is
like I want Shiloh to be comfortable and in a
good was in the NFL too.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I think there's a little onus on.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
That, a little you know, a little little fatherly touch
on that as well.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, I mean Diana throw it out, he throw it
out there. But I just it's just the NFL doesn't
work like that. And and and you heard what I
just said. If you have if they're on your team
and your dion and somebody's better than your kid, like
what are you doing now?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Now?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
One of a few people actually do believe that would
be like Lebron. I don't believe Lebron gonna be like,
well he just not Like if it was Lebron in
this situation.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
He going, no, he's gonna have to keep playing.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I do actually believe Coach Prime would be like, you
gotta earn it, like you got you gotta earn it.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Come on, baby, you gotta earn this.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I could hear him saying, like I could believe that, Hey,
you ain't playing right now, get better, get in the
study room, get whatever you need to get going right now,
number thirty twos in the game.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I do believe he would do that, But I think
he's just.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Setting it out there just in case, by some chance,
in three years, some GM is desperate for a new
coach and maybe he didn't been in the college football
playoffs a couple and they.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Like, we want him. How can we make this happen?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Well, you know, Shiloh's out there, free agent, Go get
him to team him up with Travis Hunter, team him up.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
What should do?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
But by the way, everywhere he's gone when it was
the pee Wee's coaching is coaching his sons successful. Jackson
State wins two SWACK championships, goes to Colorado, they.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Go for one game in six game to nine.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
We thought they might make the college football playoffs in
two years. Like there is a track record of him
coaching and having some success, Okay, and so that not separate.
I'm separated, I'm saying, separate from coaching his sons. I'm
saying I can see why this year, maybe next year
if they win you know, nine ten eleven games to
getting the cosgotball playoffs. That coaches, I'm sorry GMS in
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the NFL might be like, man, this coach prime thing
may be really something to this.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, I mean as always, I mean, gods with lesser
have gotten jobs and opportunities. So I'm I'm not. I mean,
who is it, Rob g Was it? I just forgot
his first name? Judy with the Giants. No, Joe Judge,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Joe Judge. Joe Judge was like, what was he junior?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And you know I was saying because I said many
times I'd rather have a Judge Judy than Joe Judge.
And you remember, wasn't he like he wasn't even a coordinator,
Rob Gene. That was my point and why I brought
up Joe Judge. He wasn't even a coordinator and he
got a job coaching the New York Football Giants. He
was like a special team assistant or special teams coordinator
and wide receivers coach.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Come on, man, how you fill that on a business card?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I know you need two business cards, but you see, hey,
flipping over, flipping over, I.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Said, he never was a coordinator.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
No, hey, listen, this is why we tell y'all it
ain't what you know about who you know? Crazy when
you get when you were in certain circles and certain
good old boy clubs and people like you, and you
you get opportunity, they throw you at ups.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
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Speaker 1 (20:00):
Get into the forty nine ers in Brock Prody, we
do have sound.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Who is this Rob Ge, John Lynch, John Mascher.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yes, and he basically saying, hey, you know, obviously they
want Brock party and they want to get something done.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
What we know about Brock is that he's our guy.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
We've got. You know, we have.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Interest in Brock being around here for a long long time,
and he's done so much for our organization. He's won
big games and had a little tougher task as we
all did this year with some of the things that
happened throughout the course of the year. We just never
could string games where we were all together. And through
that he continued to lead, he continued to play at
a high level. So we have every interest in him
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being around.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I don't think anybody questioned whether you want him around?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Is that what price? Am I right? Calvin? Is that
what price? Do you want him around? John Lynch?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
If I was at the press conference, I'm that we
get it. Sure, you want him around? It's hard to
find a quarterback. How much cash? How much shedder? How
much cabbage are you willing to give him?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Is this on?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Are you giving him sixty mili? Is that what you're
telling me? No, John Lynch wouldn't tell me that.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah. That's when it comes down to the number.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Because listen, if I didn't tell you anything else, I
just showed you, man, look at this man.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
I got this guy. You know, he's finally.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Played a couple of full seasons, and I told you
his record was thirty and sixteen in the regular season
and the playoffs. You'd be like, oh, shoot, yeah, sign me.
That's my guy. If the question becomes do you believe
Brock Purdy is the engine that gets you going? Or
do you believe he is a byproduct of the system,
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a part of a really good and well run organization,
that's the question, because then it determines how.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Much I'm paying you.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
If you're the guy, then I have to pay you
six You know, fifty to fifty five sixty million, because
that's the going great for supposedly the But.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
If you're just a cog in this thing, then I
ain't giving you all that.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
So that is the conversation that they have to have it.
I believe he is slightly above just a cock. I
do believe he is a winning piece of the formula
for them. I think they have their quarterback for the future. U.
It's just again, I don't want to pay him just
because Dak Prescott, just because Trevor.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Lawrence in price thought, why why wouldn't you pay him
if you believe he's your guy?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Because I don't want to harbitize guy.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
You're questioning whether or not he should pay top dollar.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Why why, I'll tell you why. Two wrongs don't make
it right.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Just Jerry Jones, all, you're acting crazy just because the
Browns giving Deshaun watches to guarantee.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
But no, that's going right.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
For crazy, Okay, because when I look at some of
the other uh, really great quarterbacks in the NFL, they
aren't necessarily getting all of that uh and.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
They're better than the guys who are at the top.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
So to me, again, it comes down to finding that
perfect middle ground because I don't want to have to
I don't want to have to one up there crazy
y'all know, wan't crazy enough to give Dak Press got
all that money. Solid quarterback, definitely a franchise quarterback. He's
got to be thirty two of them in the NFL,
so Dak's one of them, but.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
He ain't all that. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
So if I'm looking at this list right now, Robin,
I'm saying I'm placing him around the Jalen Hurts Kyler
Murray range, which is between which would have him, you know,
somewhere ninth or tenth, depending on how it ends up
working out. Forty six point one for Kyler Murray, fifty
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one for Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I'm alright with that.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
There's my you up in there, and I think that
fits about where he is, somewhere around the eighth best
quarterback something like that, and you know that fits that.
That feels right, that's fair to him, fair to organization.
We can move forward. Everybody happies, everybody put your hands
in whoa team.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, but the idea that you know you're not pushing
him higher than that when you look at his record,
you talk about it. He took it to the super Bowl.
That wasn't four years ago, that was last year. Right, No,
he just wasn't that impressive this year. And I get
what John Lynch is talking about, and Andrey and we
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just weren't together or whatever. Brock didn't play that well.
I mean, he just didn't. I get it that everything
wasn't great. And We've talked about this before. Sometimes sometimes
you need your quarterback to elevate.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
We used to talk about that all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
What we we Robb G and I've always pointed back
to that. That was what did Aaron Rodgers win the
win the MVP that year, Robb G or the next year,
but it was you remember with Davontae Adams, Like they
went to go play Arizona was undefeated in the Desert,
and you know, and they didn't have Davante and I
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think the Packers were seven and oh one point without
Davonte Adams.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
That's what I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
About, when you don't have your best weapons and you
still are able to listen.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I firmly believe. And this goes with me and Rob
G were talking about this too. Like when it comes
to sports, I'm big on guys that when I want
the guy that, even if I fail as a general
manager one, I just hey, we brought in a free agent,
he ain't that good. Hey we draft this guy, ain't
that good? Or hey we know injuries happening and whatnot.
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I want a guy like a Lebron for the most
part of his career, where if I give him talented
guys or bums, we still got a shot.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
When I with Shock in his prime Orlando Lakers, we
got a shot.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I'm big on that.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
And so my point is with quarterbacks, there're certain Lamar Jackson.
Lamar Jackson lost everybody last year. Guess what, he still
gave his team rob a shot, And so do. I
feel like Brock Perdy is that type of guy that,
when things are going right, things aren't exactly how he
won them. We got a shot, and I feel like that,
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but not enough to make him top five guy paid.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Okay, I mean there's doubt, and I think that there's doubt.
I'm happy to hear. If he's my quarterback, I'm happy
to get it.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
But game Jons singularly like a Josh Shaller, like a
lamarka Patrick, like a what's your boy, Joe Burr like
those those guys are the class of their own.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Ye, robj you got something. You guys are crazy. I
mean you.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
You guys have been in media and are very highly
paid in the world of the media to not know
how this kind of thing works. I agree with you.
He's not Lamar Jackson Josh Allen that much. He's not
that right.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I agree.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
Here's the problem. The last four guys who got paid.
Jordan Love had half a good season. He's getting fifty
five million.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Get it.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Trevor Lawrence has been arguably a bust since he got drafted.
He's getting fifty five million.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Tua. They've been looking for reasons to get off of Tua.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
He's got a bad hit, he doesn't play well without
trek Hill getting fifty three point one.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
And here's when it might blow your mind.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Jerry Goff, who was very similar in physical ability to
brock Purty. You can even argue that the only success
he's ever had has been with Sean McVay, one of
the top play cards in the NFL. And now the
new hotness, Ben Johnson. He's thirty one years old. He
just signed for fifty three million, so how can you
say with a straight face that Brock Party, who two
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years as a starter went NFC Championship Game, Super Bowl
this year he's.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You're about to say the same thing forty six.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I'll tell you why. Here's the difference. Jared Goff came
to the Lions because they was supposed to be all
He's going to be this guy, fat gap filler until
for a year or two we get some real quarterback.
He helped change a complete franchise. You gotta be fair.
I told you I like Brock Party, but he did
come into a situation where they've already been winning, where
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Jimmy Garoppolo has already been in a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
So there is a little.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Bit of bro we already got being good without.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You well that that is the biggest part robb Gi.
It is that he came into a winning program. If
he would have been mister irrelevant and they had made
the playoffs in four years and brought you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Prior Warner story, right, then you have Kurt Warner. So
then how do you justify Jordan Love.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
No, Jordan Love is one of the story most storied franchises.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And I agree. Here's where Jordan that it was.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
They destroyed the Cowboys in that playoff game.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Remember you had the last part of last season nine games, right, No,
I get it. But they also played Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Garoppolo for four games, okay, And they've watched Jordan Love
for four years what we say, three or four years.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
In practice with Aaron Rodgers and all that before.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Terrible for because I said to you before, they could
have traded Aaron Rodgers before in the draft night if
they really believed in him. And I don't think that
they were sure, you know what I mean on Jordan
Love at that point.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
And if you have Gamon Rodgers, they weren't even sure
about him before he left, right, Because if you're saying
his documentary said they we want you back if you're
willing to come back.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
No, that was gonna tell you here's what we're taken him.
If he would have said, here's why. I get what
you're saying, Rob g. But I think number one, Jordan
Love his talent. You see it a little clear and faster.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Let's just be real, right, It jumps off the screen
when it's right more than Brock Party, right, rock perty
you mentioned it more? Jared Goff then that's a great example.
Jared Goff is just accuracy. Everything's good. And Jared Jordan
Love you see it quicker, Oh oh that little mobility,
the way he elusive arm strength.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
So you see that. Now that's the number one. Number two.
He came up in there where he was there, guy,
he was there.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Rock party kind of got put in like all right,
well we ain't got no other choice, get.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
On up in there. Whereas Jordan Love, we groomed you,
we got you how he wanted you.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
And we we have been successful that we've only had
now including him, three quarterbacks for like forty years, so
thirty years. So I think they feel like we know
what we do when we get our guy.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
It is really amazing that they've only had three starting reelers.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
You go to look at some teams like Cleveland or
the Jets, they've had like twenty quarterbacks Miami.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
What's more impressive, frankly, the Packers quarterback situation.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
See coach, I know, no coaching to me with the
Steelers two because they've had three coaches in forty years.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah, and you can be good at a coach. You
can be coaching the year get fired. The next year,
you can go to the super Bowl. Get fired.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
I got twenty eight super bowls and got fired after
the two right
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Seasons exactly so that only three coaches in like fifty
sixty years is outrageous
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We got the big game coming up in what twenty
five minutes, Yeah, big kickoff, and it's Penn State and
Notre Dame. And here's the big thing I guess that
I want to talk about today today is James Franklin,
the coach of Penn State. We know, we talk about
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Notre Dame all the time that Notre Dame hasn't won anything,
a big Bowl game or a national championship or anything
in thirty one years or whatever. But James Franklin has
been at Ohio State and just hasn't won big, big games,
enough big games to feel good about him.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Here's his moment. And I'm gonna say this too.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
If he doesn't win, and the point spread in this game,
they're only one in one point underdogs, so it's basically
a pick them right against Notre Dame. You're not ten
point underdogs, or you're not supposed to win this game.
A one point spread is basically a pick them, pick
them right.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
But here are the numbers and they're horrific. Are you ready?
James Franklin Penn State.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Seven and twenty five as an underdog as a head coach,
ohing to this season as an underdog. This is his
career versus top ten opponents three and nineteen versus Top
five opponents one in fourteen.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
These numbers are scary? Am I right? Serious? Time?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Like the way around it, there's no way around it.
You can't sugarcoat it whatever you want to do. I
think that the Penn State should beat Notre Dame, and
I know Notre Dame has a good defense offense I'm
not so hot about right, And we saw this in
Notre Dame's last game. They scored one touchdown offensive touchdown
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in that game, Calvin, that was on a turnover and
a thirteen yard drive for the score. That's all they
got offensively. So here's what I'm gonnay, I'm a step aside.
James Franklin needs to win this game to save his job.
I know people at Penn State will be like, we're
in the big game. Look at we had a chance
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to go to the national championship. But his record is
so abysmal that he has to cash in. Here's the
one when you get your ticket punched. And if you
can't get it punched. If I'm Penn State and the
people that run the athletic program, I gotta say to myself,
James Franklin can't get it done.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Look, I'm gonna tell you something, and I don't like
saying this too often, but you ain't wrong when you're right. Listen,
James Franklin has had a good coaching career thus far. Right,
He's done a really good job if you're comparing it
to every program around the country. The challenge is we
ain't comparing him to every coach around the country.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
We're comparing him to his contemporaries.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And when you start to you hit on some of
the numbers about how he's fared against some of these
top teams.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
You just mentioned one in fourteen at Penn State. Fourteen
top five teams. Yeah, right, So let's go even further
in these numbers. Some of the coaches that you would
hope a Penn State coach is competing against. Listen to
the success they've had against similar opponents, top five teams
that Nick Saban could argue the greatest of all time,
twenty four and eleven Alabama against top five teams, that
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Urban Meyer.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Right, that's why he's considered. And I think Nick Saban
is the best college football coach.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Right, and I would agree.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
So you go to another one who had a heck
of a run and then they got a little crazy
and then went to the NFL got crazy too. Urban
Meyer six ' to two while he was at who
A rivaled to Penn State and when he was at
Ohio State six and two versus top five teams is incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
You go to Georgia and Kirby Smart.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
We've seen what he's done over the last five six years,
eleven and seven. They all have winning records, and not
even just like winning, like as if it's barely winning.
They have big time winning records against top five opponents.
And even Ryan Day he's five and six, that's not
above five hundred, but he has five wins against these
top five teams, and so you start to say, well,
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what's going on here?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Why aren't they winning?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Now? The only other thing I would say, here's another
interesting one for you, Rob.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
All right, I have said some other teams that we
do this in this game. Nordre Dame. You look at
the New York Knicks, you look at the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Sometimes there are some schools that we I believe put
in higher echelon than maybe deserve it. And I explain
this top five opponents. Joe pertona one of the greatest
coaches of all time. You know what he was against
his fifteen times he played against the top five opponent.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Three and twelve. Rob, I get that.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So where I'm going with this is, maybe we have
put Penn State much loftier than it was warranted.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Maybe we have made Penn State more.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Than they really should be in the echelon of the
top programs in the country.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Now I hear you, And we do this all the time.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I used to say the same thing the bo Chamblack
Coller at Michigan, not the who's got a statue out front,
and they have revered And you notice you grew up
in ann Arbor. Yeah, dude, that dude never won a
national championship and celebrate it like there's nobody's business. You
better not say anything about both sham Beckler. Am I
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right or wrong?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Hey listen, I just told you ain't wrong. When you're right,
you better not say none bo bo okay. And he
never won a national championship.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And back then when both Shambleckerler was playing, it was
only it was the big one, the Big two, and
the rest.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Of the.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Average blue moon one other team, Right, that was it.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And so the point is that was okay back in
the day when you had long term coaches and you
you know what I mean, and they used to pick
the national champion rather than you play it, and you
had coaches were storied with program that just doesn't it's
a bigger fish to fry today.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, he's got to come out win, and he's got
to not only win, he's got to look dominated.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He can't, you know, he's.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Gotta he has to start to create something where I'm
the guy taking this program and in all fairness, where
it hasn't been in quite some time.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And this is it operations you mentioned, this is an
opportunity here for him to.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Because all the stats are there and people are gonna
look and go when they lose, if they if Penn
State loses and go James, he can't win a big game.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
That and add to that ro real quick, Ohio State
has been losing the Michigan lately. Now they could mess
around and win the National Championship and all of this
could go up and up and flames.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
If they win a national gym. You know that though, right, yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
But what I mean is, you know Michigan is supposed
to be down supposedly the next couple of years. You
got Ohio State, who has been really good and obviously
they look incredible now, but you know they look Michigan
beat him, and Michigan wasn't supposed to be a great team,
point being Penn State, if there was ever time to
kind of creep up in here and and dominate or.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
At least, you know, become a real contender to get
to the national Championship even if they don't win it.
Am I right?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Like like, if James Franklin can win this game and
they get to the National Championship, out of every big
it would be big for him and people could stop
saying he can't win a big game because that this
is a big game.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I agree all.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Right, eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven
seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
It is The Odd Couple. And here's a question.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
If Penn State loses tonight the Notre Dame, should James
Franklin be fired. I really believe he should be, because
I would look for somebody else who can get you
over the top. He's it's not like he just has
been there for then, had a cup of coffee in
the sweet row. He's been there for a long time.
The track record and the numbers are horrendous. He needs
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to win this big time.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
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Speaker 1 (08:48):
Let's talk about Dion Sanders and this whole NFL thing.
We do have sound from Dion talking about potentially about
the NFL and all that.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Let's hear from Dion. But is there a chance that
you could have to the NFL? I know where you're
going to go about, right, Yeah? If I respond, you
know what we're going about, right?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I know?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
The only way I would consider is to coach my
son son sons. Okay, I think we're gonna go rib with.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Well.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I love Colorado now, I love my Buffalo's. I love
everything that we're building. I love everything that we're doing,
and I love Boulder, Colorado.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I do. Here's a problem I have what that? What's that?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
The the only way is that his sons have to
be on the team, and I do have a problem
with it. For all that he's done, all the good stuff,
you know what I mean, and and his that's that's
not the issue. It's when you try to manufacture and
put things in. Okay, So one of your sons isn't
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playing well, is he not? As he benched? Somebody's playing
better that is he benched? No, he's playing regardless because
I'm the coach, and you lose the rest of the team,
like you put yourself in a very Now, if you
just happen to be your son is a star player
and you happen to be you know, and you're the
coach or whatever, there's no issue. There's no issue when
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life is good. It's when things are bad, okay. And
Davonte Adams is a perfect example of I want to
go play and live in Las Vegas and I want
to go play with my former college quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Why a great time?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
How'd that work out in Las Vegas for Davonte Adams?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Okay in New York? Yeah, but you get me.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You're trying to manufacture something and it doesn't always work
out where people are trying. Well, I want to go
here and I want to Oh they just got fired.
Now now what? Or you know what I mean? Like that?
That's all I'm saying. Not if it happens organically and
it worn't in your kids a star the team, then
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there's no issue. It's when he's not the star and
now you got to make a change or bench or
the ownership wants to trade him.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Do you know what I like? Like, that's the only
issue I have with it.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Well, I think this is just a case of prime
prime in what he's doing is setting himself up for
a win win rob he's doing. I actually believe that
he doesn't have interest in going to the NFL right now.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I don't believe it necessarily the never.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I just believe I think he's enjoyed being one of
the top dogs in college football, went from one game
to I believe it was six that you know, when
they got there. The year before they'd only won one.
Then they went six, then they went nine. He's produced
a Heisman Trophy winner, probably gonna produce two top five
players in the NFL draft. I think he's thoroughly enjoying
this Colorado Buffalo run. So there's no interest and leaving
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to the league right now. But if I'm gonna throw
this out here just so I can have it my way,
if it were to happen, if you were to happen
to draft my son or my sons, and mind you,
he has three, because he thinks of Travis Hunter as
a son.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
If you have one.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Of my sons, or maybe both of my sons are
all three, and you happen to have them, then by golly,
I may come coaching.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
That's not that's not realistic. If that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
If they're both top five picks, how in the world
are gonna be on the same team.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I don't think has to be next year, Rob. I
think he's saying it could be two years. Every three
years they get traded to it. You know, we've seen
people play together. I don't think he's saying this season
think he's saying, hypothetically down the line, if two of
my boys are playing together.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yes, I would want to coach.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
So that's why I think he's just coach priming, entertaining,
knowing he's gonna go viral, throwing it out there in
case on a random circuit.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Okay, so what one owner's gonna What owner is gonna
take that? Well, I don't think the owner is gonna.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
I don't think the owner can create where two sons
are on the same team to go back, you know what,
go back seven eight years, whatever it was. He's LeVar
balling my boys, all three of them gonna be on
the Lakers, all three, all three never lost. That's what's
going on here. He's just throwing it out creating something.
Maybe Donald Lion, some random GM says, yo, I wouldn't
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mind coach Sanders as our coach.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
We want coach Prime.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
And then they go, well, we already got Schadur or
we already got Shiloh, or we already got Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
And let's say Shiloh is a middling dB. That sound
sounds like, come on, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
He's only doing that because he knows it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Okay, all right, by one if it's one kid.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Now you're talking about trying to finago three kids, you
know what I mean? Like, like, that's just it's just
far fetched, is what it is. That's why I go
back to LeVar bah Ball. All three of his kids
didn't make it to the NBA. But that's why I
go back to LeVar. What was he screaming in our
ears for a year or two? All three of them
gonna play with the Lakers. I already seen it in
my dream and God told me. I think it's a
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little bit of that.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Coach Prime. One kid didn't even make it into the league. Yeah,
but he got the hottest song of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Don matter, but he didn't make it into the league.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Rob G. We're gonna be RW Orleans listening to it.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
No, Coach Prime is thoroughly enjoying college because college, Rob
is one place where you can become a deity as
you know that you start winning. Boy, this is why
we talked about James Franklin earlier. You can have a
job somewhere for ten, twenty twenty five thirty years, be
the toast of the town literally be the highest paid
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state official in the state.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
He ain't going nowhere. He's about to be the king.
I disagree. I'm not saying ever, but he ain't gone
on with this in a hurry.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I think if there's an opportunity for him. Colorado's nice.
You know, they had a chance this year to get
into the college football playoffs. They didn't get there, you know,
and his progress is cool. But if there's an opportunity
to move from Boulder, Colorado, I just I don't see
how how you wouldn't be interested in that. Well, I mean,
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are you saying pro are you saying bigger college?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Like?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, I just think that there would be an opportunity
for him to say, let's see where I can take it.
We talk about it all the time. You know, we've
never had a black coach in the college uh A
natural championship game? What I mean, let's think about that? Yeah,
I mean never hold on, Well.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
We will today.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
We will this year, right right, one of the two,
one of the So there's gonna be a for the
first time.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
This is twenty twenty five. Oh man, I gotta do
some math on that. Let me play one divided by
two plus three. Think about that. No, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Let me get a calculator, because if that's device six
a calculator, somebody, hold on.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Right, you gotta be missing somebody. BG on it.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I'm about to count somebody as an honorary brother, Jim
Boys an honorary bro.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Okay, okay, now we've crossed the long somebody, dang it crazy,
So we got one this year.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I just I think this is uh.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
If there was this, if he was talking about one
scenario one son one, I could see that this whole idea,
and he said and he went out of his way
to go sons.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Oh, he pluralized that thing. Yeah, you know you know what. Also,
I think he's doing rock and rob G. I think
we were.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Talking about this, you and I. I think he's trying
to make sure people don't forget Shiloh, who they projector
like a fifth sixth round. I think he's gonna go
a little earlier because I think he might perform very
well with the combine and then maybe go third, fourth round.
But point is, I think it's a lot of emphasis.
I know y'all know Shador. Everybody knows that Travis literally
is a Heisman winner. He looks up as you know,
(16:52):
he looks at Coach Prime as a father figure. But
don't forget Shiloh. So I think emphasis on him is
like I want Shiloh to be comfortable and in a
good was in the NFL too.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I think there's a little onus on.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
That, a little you know, a little little fatherly touch
on that as well.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, I mean Diana throw it out, he throw it
out there. But I just it's just the NFL doesn't
work like that. And and and you heard what I
just said. If you have if they're on your team
and your dion and somebody's better than your kid, like
what are you doing now?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Now?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
One of a few people actually do believe that would
be like Lebron. I don't believe Lebron gonna be like,
well he just not Like if it was Lebron in
this situation.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
He going, no, he's gonna have to keep playing.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I do actually believe Coach Prime would be like, you
gotta earn it, like you got you gotta earn it.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Come on, baby, you gotta earn this.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I could hear him saying, like I could believe that, Hey,
you ain't playing right now, get better, get in the
study room, get whatever you need to get going right now,
number thirty twos in the game.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I do believe he would do that, But I think
he's just.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Setting it out there just in case, by some chance,
in three years, some GM is desperate for a new
coach and maybe he didn't been in the college football
playoffs a couple and they.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Like, we want him. How can we make this happen?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Well, you know, Shiloh's out there, free agent, Go get
him to team him up with Travis Hunter, team him up.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
What should do?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
But by the way, everywhere he's gone when it was
the pee Wee's coaching is coaching his sons successful. Jackson
State wins two SWACK championships, goes to Colorado, they.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Go for one game in six game to nine.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
We thought they might make the college football playoffs in
two years. Like there is a track record of him
coaching and having some success, Okay, and so that not separate.
I'm separated, I'm saying, separate from coaching his sons. I'm
saying I can see why this year, maybe next year
if they win you know, nine ten eleven games to
getting the cosgotball playoffs. That coaches, I'm sorry GMS in
(18:42):
the NFL might be like, man, this coach prime thing
may be really something to this.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, I mean as always, I mean, gods with lesser
have gotten jobs and opportunities. So I'm I'm not. I mean,
who is it, Rob g Was it? I just forgot
his first name? Judy with the Giants. No, Joe Judge,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Joe Judge. Joe Judge was like, what was he junior?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And you know I was saying because I said many
times I'd rather have a Judge Judy than Joe Judge.
And you remember, wasn't he like he wasn't even a coordinator,
Rob Gene. That was my point and why I brought
up Joe Judge. He wasn't even a coordinator and he
got a job coaching the New York Football Giants. He
was like a special team assistant or special teams coordinator
and wide receivers coach.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Come on, man, how you fill that on a business card?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I know you need two business cards, but you see, hey,
flipping over, flipping over, I.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Said, he never was a coordinator.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
No, hey, listen, this is why we tell y'all it
ain't what you know about who you know? Crazy when
you get when you were in certain circles and certain
good old boy clubs and people like you, and you
you get opportunity, they throw you at ups.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
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Speaker 1 (20:00):
Get into the forty nine ers in Brock Prody, we
do have sound.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Who is this Rob Ge, John Lynch, John Mascher.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yes, and he basically saying, hey, you know, obviously they
want Brock party and they want to get something done.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
What we know about Brock is that he's our guy.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
We've got. You know, we have.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Interest in Brock being around here for a long long time,
and he's done so much for our organization. He's won
big games and had a little tougher task as we
all did this year with some of the things that
happened throughout the course of the year. We just never
could string games where we were all together. And through
that he continued to lead, he continued to play at
a high level. So we have every interest in him
(20:40):
being around.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I don't think anybody questioned whether you want him around?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Is that what price? Am I right? Calvin? Is that
what price? Do you want him around? John Lynch?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
If I was at the press conference, I'm that we
get it. Sure, you want him around? It's hard to
find a quarterback. How much cash? How much shedder? How
much cabbage are you willing to give him?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Is this on?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Are you giving him sixty mili? Is that what you're
telling me? No, John Lynch wouldn't tell me that.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah. That's when it comes down to the number.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Because listen, if I didn't tell you anything else, I
just showed you, man, look at this man.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
I got this guy. You know, he's finally.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Played a couple of full seasons, and I told you
his record was thirty and sixteen in the regular season
and the playoffs. You'd be like, oh, shoot, yeah, sign me.
That's my guy. If the question becomes do you believe
Brock Purdy is the engine that gets you going? Or
do you believe he is a byproduct of the system,
(21:43):
a part of a really good and well run organization,
that's the question, because then it determines how.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Much I'm paying you.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
If you're the guy, then I have to pay you
six You know, fifty to fifty five sixty million, because
that's the going great for supposedly the But.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
If you're just a cog in this thing, then I
ain't giving you all that.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
So that is the conversation that they have to have it.
I believe he is slightly above just a cock. I
do believe he is a winning piece of the formula
for them. I think they have their quarterback for the future. U.
It's just again, I don't want to pay him just
because Dak Prescott, just because Trevor.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Lawrence in price thought, why why wouldn't you pay him
if you believe he's your guy?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Because I don't want to harbitize guy.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
You're questioning whether or not he should pay top dollar.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Why why, I'll tell you why. Two wrongs don't make
it right.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Just Jerry Jones, all, you're acting crazy just because the
Browns giving Deshaun watches to guarantee.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
But no, that's going right.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
For crazy, Okay, because when I look at some of
the other uh, really great quarterbacks in the NFL, they
aren't necessarily getting all of that uh and.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
They're better than the guys who are at the top.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
So to me, again, it comes down to finding that
perfect middle ground because I don't want to have to
I don't want to have to one up there crazy
y'all know, wan't crazy enough to give Dak Press got
all that money. Solid quarterback, definitely a franchise quarterback. He's
got to be thirty two of them in the NFL,
so Dak's one of them, but.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
He ain't all that. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
So if I'm looking at this list right now, Robin,
I'm saying I'm placing him around the Jalen Hurts Kyler
Murray range, which is between which would have him, you know,
somewhere ninth or tenth, depending on how it ends up
working out. Forty six point one for Kyler Murray, fifty
(23:38):
one for Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I'm alright with that.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
There's my you up in there, and I think that
fits about where he is, somewhere around the eighth best
quarterback something like that, and you know that fits that.
That feels right, that's fair to him, fair to organization.
We can move forward. Everybody happies, everybody put your hands
in whoa team.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, but the idea that you know you're not pushing
him higher than that when you look at his record,
you talk about it. He took it to the super Bowl.
That wasn't four years ago, that was last year. Right, No,
he just wasn't that impressive this year. And I get
what John Lynch is talking about, and Andrey and we
(24:17):
just weren't together or whatever. Brock didn't play that well.
I mean, he just didn't. I get it that everything
wasn't great. And We've talked about this before. Sometimes sometimes
you need your quarterback to elevate.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
We used to talk about that all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
What we we Robb G and I've always pointed back
to that. That was what did Aaron Rodgers win the
win the MVP that year, Robb G or the next year,
but it was you remember with Davontae Adams, Like they
went to go play Arizona was undefeated in the Desert,
and you know, and they didn't have Davante and I
(24:56):
think the Packers were seven and oh one point without
Davonte Adams.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
That's what I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
About, when you don't have your best weapons and you
still are able to listen.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I firmly believe. And this goes with me and Rob
G were talking about this too. Like when it comes
to sports, I'm big on guys that when I want
the guy that, even if I fail as a general
manager one, I just hey, we brought in a free agent,
he ain't that good. Hey we draft this guy, ain't
that good? Or hey we know injuries happening and whatnot.
(25:26):
I want a guy like a Lebron for the most
part of his career, where if I give him talented
guys or bums, we still got a shot.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
When I with Shock in his prime Orlando Lakers, we
got a shot.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I'm big on that.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
And so my point is with quarterbacks, there're certain Lamar Jackson.
Lamar Jackson lost everybody last year. Guess what, he still
gave his team rob a shot, And so do. I
feel like Brock Perdy is that type of guy that,
when things are going right, things aren't exactly how he
won them. We got a shot, and I feel like that,
(26:01):
but not enough to make him top five guy paid.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Okay, I mean there's doubt, and I think that there's doubt.
I'm happy to hear. If he's my quarterback, I'm happy
to get it.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
But game Jons singularly like a Josh Shaller, like a
lamarka Patrick, like a what's your boy, Joe Burr like
those those guys are the class of their own.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Ye, robj you got something. You guys are crazy. I
mean you.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
You guys have been in media and are very highly
paid in the world of the media to not know
how this kind of thing works. I agree with you.
He's not Lamar Jackson Josh Allen that much. He's not
that right.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I agree.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
Here's the problem. The last four guys who got paid.
Jordan Love had half a good season. He's getting fifty
five million.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Get it.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Trevor Lawrence has been arguably a bust since he got drafted.
He's getting fifty five million.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Tua. They've been looking for reasons to get off of Tua.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
He's got a bad hit, he doesn't play well without
trek Hill getting fifty three point one.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
And here's when it might blow your mind.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Jerry Goff, who was very similar in physical ability to
brock Purty. You can even argue that the only success
he's ever had has been with Sean McVay, one of
the top play cards in the NFL. And now the
new hotness, Ben Johnson. He's thirty one years old. He
just signed for fifty three million, so how can you
say with a straight face that Brock Party, who two
(27:27):
years as a starter went NFC Championship Game, Super Bowl
this year he's.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You're about to say the same thing forty six.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I'll tell you why. Here's the difference. Jared Goff came
to the Lions because they was supposed to be all
He's going to be this guy, fat gap filler until
for a year or two we get some real quarterback.
He helped change a complete franchise. You gotta be fair.
I told you I like Brock Party, but he did
come into a situation where they've already been winning, where
(27:57):
Jimmy Garoppolo has already been in a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
So there is a little.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Bit of bro we already got being good without.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You well that that is the biggest part robb Gi.
It is that he came into a winning program. If
he would have been mister irrelevant and they had made
the playoffs in four years and brought you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Prior Warner story, right, then you have Kurt Warner. So
then how do you justify Jordan Love.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
No, Jordan Love is one of the story most storied franchises.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And I agree. Here's where Jordan that it was.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
They destroyed the Cowboys in that playoff game.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Remember you had the last part of last season nine games, right, No,
I get it. But they also played Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Garoppolo for four games, okay, And they've watched Jordan Love
for four years what we say, three or four years.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
In practice with Aaron Rodgers and all that before.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Terrible for because I said to you before, they could
have traded Aaron Rodgers before in the draft night if
they really believed in him. And I don't think that
they were sure, you know what I mean on Jordan
Love at that point.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
And if you have Gamon Rodgers, they weren't even sure
about him before he left, right, Because if you're saying
his documentary said they we want you back if you're
willing to come back.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
No, that was gonna tell you here's what we're taken him.
If he would have said, here's why. I get what
you're saying, Rob g. But I think number one, Jordan
Love his talent. You see it a little clear and faster.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Let's just be real, right, It jumps off the screen
when it's right more than Brock Party, right, rock perty
you mentioned it more? Jared Goff then that's a great example.
Jared Goff is just accuracy. Everything's good. And Jared Jordan
Love you see it quicker, Oh oh that little mobility,
the way he elusive arm strength.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
So you see that. Now that's the number one. Number two.
He came up in there where he was there, guy,
he was there.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Rock party kind of got put in like all right,
well we ain't got no other choice, get.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
On up in there. Whereas Jordan Love, we groomed you,
we got you how he wanted you.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
And we we have been successful that we've only had
now including him, three quarterbacks for like forty years, so
thirty years. So I think they feel like we know
what we do when we get our guy.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
It is really amazing that they've only had three starting reelers.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
You go to look at some teams like Cleveland or
the Jets, they've had like twenty quarterbacks Miami.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
What's more impressive, frankly, the Packers quarterback situation.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
See coach, I know, no coaching to me with the
Steelers two because they've had three coaches in forty years.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah, and you can be good at a coach. You
can be coaching the year get fired. The next year,
you can go to the super Bowl. Get fired.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
I got twenty eight super bowls and got fired after
the two right
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Seasons exactly so that only three coaches in like fifty
sixty years is outrageous
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