January 10, 2025 • 29 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether an NFL team should be willing to draft Shedeur and Shilo in order to acquire Deion Sanders as their next head coach, argue whether Bill Belichick made a mistake by choosing the University of North Carolina over a return to the NFL with the Las Vegas Raiders and tell us whether or not all these individual accolades put added pressure on Jackson to win a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm not surprised. What aren't you surprised? Though? That teams
were interested in Bill Belichick? Hold on, well, you put
an s on that you pluralized it. Hold On, multiple teams.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
It's not just the Raiders, but the Raiders and Tom
Brady definitely were interested in him. But they said multiple teams.
There are other teams who wouldn't be interested in Bill Belichick.
I was shocked, you know that when he took a
college job, and I was like, this is about nepotism over.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
History because he's setting his son up.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
And the reason that he's not gonna go and leave
North Carolina and I would there's a chance to go
back to the NFL to be the all time winning
his coach. Right, breakdown Schuler's record is because he's got
his family and friends all hooked up, They're.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
All there, they got jobs.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
He can't bow out, can't because everybody would be left
in the lurch, people who left jobs and situations. And
so this is not just about Bill Belichick anymore. And
that's why he can't do it. He must be kicking
hisself a little bit to say I should have waited.
There was no rush to take the North Carolina college
football season isn't even over yet.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Can I offer you something though? I think there's two
things I would like to say. One, I think there
is an element of pride when you've been this great,
You're arguably the greatest of all time. Bunch of Super
Bowl appears and he's been that powerful. I think he
I think there's an element of him saying, how dare
I have to wait?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You know what I mean? How dare ain't my phone
they brought up black? How they just started?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
But I'm saying, but I'm but again, Remember I said,
I'm Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Why do I have to wait? Why does why have
we heard?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
He also heard the reports that people were bowing out
because they said, we don't want to have to deal
with him.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
We don't want to have to deal with the power.
A same report said that he burned a lot of
bridges over the years. Yeah, but now there's multiple.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But I'm talking about so I think the initial thing
was your boy, I'm free, how that hatch your boy
and nobody called. And I think there's a part, you know,
a part of pride that's like, well, bomp y'all. In
second thing I would offer you is maybe he doesn't
want to be something. No, that's a huge thing once
you get tied into it. That's one thousand percent correct.
I'm going a little bit before that. Once he once
he committed. You got too many people involved, too many people.
(02:35):
We got Lombardi people joining in gms and no, no, no,
he's he's godfather. At this point, I got all these
people up under me. Last what I was gonna make is,
let me offer this. Do you think there's a part
of him that doesn't want to be subservient to Tom Brady,
that I don't want him to be the one like
godfathering me, Like I put you in this position.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I put you here, Coach.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I've been the guy over time, all these years, right,
I've been the one pushing the buttons, making the calls
and doing all that because you think that's an element.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Here was like, no, I want you to be not
I think I'm part owner and I picked you.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I think it's an ultimate sign of respect to be honest.
Is that from Tom?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah? From Tom? I get that from Tom hard I'm saying,
but from Tom.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
But for him to come ask me after we had
to break up, right and we had a little tay
to tay or whatever you want to call it, for
him to come and offer me a job when it
could easily be like I won the divorce, I won
the champions than you. I'm better, and I can just
go on, I got this big job and now I'm
a part owner, right and you're going to college.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I won. It was about me, not about you.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
For Tom Brady to reach back and say, no, Bill,
we would love for you to be the coach of
the Raiders. I mean seriously at his age, right, he's
like seventy oh yeah, yeah, I think we'd or something
like that. But you get me, like, with a chance
to coach for say, hey, we'll give you a three
year contract, you'll get the record, you know what I mean?
(03:58):
He could get the record in three years. Remember as
bad as the Raiders were this year. Last year they
won like seven.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Games and Antonio Pearce was the guy looking great as
the internew coach.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
But I do think that plays a role.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Rob. Everyone's oh, don shul at fifteen more games. He
might be thinking that might take me three years, could
be you know, probably three years max, but you know,
like the years is not But I think for him
it's like three years. I gotta go there. I don't
have a quarterback as of right now. You know, obviously
the draft, we could see what's what and all of that,
and Tom Brady maybe have something up his sleeves. But
(04:32):
I just I do think there's an element of him
now who wants who likes the fact that I have
the total control of what I do at you and
see I get to be the don data at USC,
I'm you n C North Carolina, and I get to
do whatever I want. Right.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I got my son in position. I brought my homies over.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
The only problem is the chances of you succeeding on
the high level at North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Arm big. That's not a football but.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It's almost easier now Rob, with the transfer, he already
got a top defensive lineman. Who's gonna come there, I
get the transfer portal and him talking about not even
sugarcoating gets said, I'm about.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
To make this bros.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
And two players gonna be in the first round and
they couldn't even get in the college football playoffs.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
But they went nine to three. Though.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
No, but I'm just saying, and now you're telling me
North Carolina, who I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, Colorado won one game two years ago. So if
North Carolina in a year or two, all of a
sudden wins nine games.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
But you had two star two top picks and you
couldn't get there, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
You ain't go you have top two top picks every year. No, no,
you're not. He I think it's a once in a
lifetime situation.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
That damn saying specifically, I'm making this a pro thing.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I don't care. We're gonna find way to pay guys.
We're gonna try to.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
My whole goal is to get you to be ready
to be a pro in life, and ain't No wants
you to be a good man, and it's come be
a pro. Holler at your boy, but everybody think that's
gonna right, But don't come here. I'm building pro. You
had this is pro university.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
You if you're if you're a and Bill Belichick's seventy one.
These guys like that sounds great. No disrespect his TikTok.
I'm just saying he'd be getting his TikTok on there. Okay,
yeah you see wow, swing it.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, there's money involved.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I'm just saying, if money's involved, you're doing commercial with Cameron.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Everybody's young.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
If money's involved, he's doing commercial with Cameron and like,
you know who that is?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
And he's just like, oh, they just know his name,
and that's right, camp, I'm doing this. What's up Drew Ski? Crazy?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Well, first of all, sir, you know who his girlfriend is.
She's keeping him a breast at night. Don't act like
you know that you laying in the bed with her
at night? What you're doing over there looking at TikTok?
And she's over here showing her little TikTok And he's like,
who's that? This is Jiskey, this is Camon Mace. They
have a show, and you know she's keeping him a breast.
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Built asleep by that time? Will you kidding?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Stop it? That's what she's looking at. TikTok she's got
from eight to three to put him to sleep. Yeah,
eight o'clock he's done, and she's looking at TikTok and
making calls the Bluetooth commercials.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I keep seeing it around.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I'm just saying, I just think he made a mistake.
And and uh he and and you know, like the
whole idea. If if I'm him, I gotta say I'm
gonna take the job.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I'm gonna take the job.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
And I'm gonna say to my family and friends, I
have a chance to be the all time winning his
coach in the National Football League. Okay, And and guys
don't get you see guys getting fired after one or two.
Guys don't get to stick around that long for somebody
to come along and do the same thing and and
have a chance to eclipse my record. I have a
(07:43):
chance of putting my name in the record books forever.
And it's once in a lifetime opportunity. And I made
a mistake. I was premature in taking this job. And
I know you guys all you know wanted to do.
We're gonna do this thing. But if I'm him, I
back out of the deal.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
The only thing I'll say to that is and I
said it then when we were talking about this, I
think people don't care about the actual record as much
as you do.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Like I think people think.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
So so wait a minute, so say Kwon Barker's that's
literally no. Why so tay Kwon Barkley? You all about
that like Jef for family. But you're telling me all
the time winning his coach in the history of football.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Because he already is considered the greatest. That's the reason.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Why there are people who are almost people what I'm saying,
but universally must I polled one hundred people seventy five
to eighty percent are going to say Bill Belichill.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But but when you talk about, uh, who's the all
time winning his coach, it does that's something that his
name will be there. Who go into the Hall of
Fame with that? That goes on your plaque?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Do you know what I mean? It's like a lot
that that's your What did you do? All right?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I got the six championships, but I was also the
all time winning his coach.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I think it's bigger than you think I do.
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Speaker 4 (09:09):
Let's talk about Dion Sanders and this whole NFL thing.
We do have sound from Dion talking about potentially about
the NFL and all that.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Let's hear from Dion. But is there a chance that
you can add to the NFL. I know where you're
going you go about right? Yeah? If I respond, you
know what we're going about, right, I know right? You
know what? The only way I would consider.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Is to coach my son son sons.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Okay, I think we're gonna go with you. Well. I
love Colorado now, I love my Buffalos. I love everything
that we're building.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I love everything that we're doing, and I love Boulder, Colorado.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I do. Here's a problem I have with that.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
What's that the the only way is his that his
sons have to be on the team.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And I do have a problem with it.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
For all that he's done, all the good stuff, you
know what I mean, and and his that's that's not
the issue. It's when you try to manufacture and put
things in. Okay, So one of your sons isn't playing well,
is he not? As he benched? Somebody's playing better? That
is he benched. No, he's playing regardless because I'm the coach,
(10:35):
and then you lose the rest of the team, like
you put yourself in a very Now, if you just
happen to be your son is a star player and
you happen to be you know, and you're the coach
or whatever, there's no issue. There's no issue when life
is good. It's when things are bad, okay. And DeVante
(10:56):
Adams is a perfect example of I want to go play.
I live in Las Vegas and I want to go
play with my former college quarterback. Why a great time?
How'd that work out in Las Vegas for Devonte Adam?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Okay? In New York. Yeah, but you get me.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
You're trying to manufacture something and it doesn't always work
out where people are trying. Well, I want to go
here and I want to Oh they just got fired?
Now what or you know what I mean? Like that,
That's all I'm saying. Not if it happens organically and
it works and your kids are start a team, then
(11:33):
there's no issue. It's when he's not the star and
now you've got to make a change or bench or
the ownership wants to trade him.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Do you know what I like. Like, that's the only
issue I have with it.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Well, I think this is just a case of prime priming.
What he's doing is setting himself up for a wain
Way Rob he's doing. I actually believe that he doesn't
have interest in going to the NFL right now. I
don't believe it necessarily the never I believe. I think
he's enjoyed being one of the top dogs in college football.
Went from one game to I believe it was six.
You know, when they got there the year before, they'd
(12:08):
only won one. Then they went six, and then they
went nine. He's produced a Heisman Trophy winner, probably gonna
produce two top five players in the NFL draft.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I think he's.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Thoroughly enjoying this Colorado Buffalo run. So there's no interest
in leaving to the league right now. But if I'm
gonna throw this out here just so I can have
it my way, if it were to happen, if you
were to happen to draft my son or my sons,
and mind you, he has three, because he thinks of
(12:37):
Travis Hunter as a son. If you have one of
my sons or maybe both of my sons are all
three and you happen to have them, then by golly,
I may come coaching.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
That's not that's not realistic. If that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
If they're both top five picks, how in the world
are gonna be on the same team.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I don't think it has to be next year, Rob.
I think he's saying it could be two years. It'd
be three years they get traded to it. You know,
we've seen people play togain. I don't think he's saying
this season. Think he's saying hypothetically down the line, if
two of my boys are playing together, yes, I would
want to coach. So that's why I think he's just
coach prime entertaining. No one's gonna go viral, throwing it
out there in case a random circuit.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Okay, so owners gonna what owner is gonna take that? Well,
I don't think the owner is gonna.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I don't think the owner can create where two sons
are on the same team to go back you know what,
go back seven eight years, whatever it was. He's LeVar
balin my boys, all three of them gonna be on
the Lakers, all three, all three never lost.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's what's going on here.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
He's just throwing it out, creating something maybe Donald Line.
Some random GM says, yo, I wouldn't mind Coach Sanders
as our coach.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
We want Coach Prime.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
And then they go, well, we already got chadur or
we already got Shiloh, or we already got Travis Hunter.
And let's say Shiloh is a middling dB.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
That sounds like, come on, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
He's only doing that because he knows it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Okay, all right, well by one.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
If it's one kid, now you're talking about trying to
finagle three kids, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Like like, that's just it's just.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Far fetched, is what it is. That's why I go
back to LeVar bah Ball. All three of his kids
didn't make it to the NBA. But that's why I
go back to LeVar. What was he screaming in our
ears for a year or two? All three of them
gonna play with the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I already seen it in my dream and God told me,
I think it's a little bit of that Coach Prime.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
One kid didn't even make it into the league. Yeah,
but he got the hottest song of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Don matter, but he didn't make it into the league.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Rob G, we're gonna be righting around or let's listening
to it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
No coach Prime is thoroughly enjoying college because college, rob
is one place where you can become a deity as
you know that you start winning.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Boy, this is why we talked about James Franklin earlier.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You can have a job somewhere for ten, twenty, twenty
five thirty years, beat a toast. That's literally be the
highest paid state official in a state.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
He ain't going nowhere. He's about to be the king.
I disagree.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I'm not saying ever, but he ain't going on in
a hurry.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I think there's a if there's an opportunity for him.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Colorado's nice, you know, they had a chance this year
to get into the college Football Playoff. They didn't get there,
you know, and and his progress is cool. But if
there's an opportunity to move from Bowl to Colorado, I
just I don't see how how you wouldn't be interested
in that. Well, are you saying bigger college?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Like?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I just think that there would be an opportunity for
him to say, let's see where I can take it.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
We talk about it all the time.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
You know, we've never had a black coach in the
college uh national championship game.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
What I mean, let's think about that. Yeah, I mean
never hold on, Well.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
We will today, we will this year, right right, one
of the two, one of the So there's gonna be
a p for the first time.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
This is twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Oh man, I gotta do some math on that. Let
me one divided by two plus three think about that. No,
hold on, hold on, let me get a calculator, because
I DIVI six a calculator. Somebody, hold on, rock, you
gotta be missing somebody, bag on it. I'm about to
count somebody as an honorary brother. Jim Harboy is an
honorary brother.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Okay, okay, now we've crossed along somebody, dag it crazy.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So we got one this year.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I just I think this is uh, if there was this,
if he was talking about one scenario one son one,
I could see that this whole idea, and he said
and he went out of his way to go sons.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Oh he pluralized that thing. Yeah. You know you know what. Also,
I think he's doing rock and rob Gie. I think
we were talking about this.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You and I I think he's trying to make sure
people don't forget Shiloh, who they projector a fifth, sixth round.
I think he's gonna go a little earlier because I
think he might perform very well up the combine and
then maybe go third, fourth round.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
But point is, I think it's a lot of inphasy.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I know y'all know Shad or everybody knows that Travis
literally is a Heisman winner. He looks up as you know,
he looks at coach Prime as a father figure. But
don't forget Shiloh. So I think emphasis on him is
like I want Shiloh to be comfortable and in a
good position and fail too. I think there's a little
onus on that, a little you know, a little little
fatherly touch on that as well.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah, I mean Dianna throw it out he throw it
out there. But I just it's just the NFL doesn't
work like that. And and and you heard what I
just said. If you have if they're on your team
and your dion and somebody's better than your kid, like
what are you doing now?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Now?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
One of a few people actually do believe that would
be like Lebron, I don't believe Lebron gonna be like, well,
he just not like if it was Lebron in this situation.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
He going, No, he's gonna have to keep playing.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I do actually believe Coach Prime would be like, you
got to earn it, like you got you gotta earn it.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Come on, baby, I heard this. I could hear him.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Saying like I could believe that, Hey, you ain't playing
right now, get better, get in the study room, get
whatever you need to get going right now.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Number thirty twos in the game. I do believe he
would do that.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
But I think he's just setting it out there just
in case, by some chance, in three years, some GM
is desperate for a new coach and maybe he didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Been in the college football playoffs a couple times, and
they lie, we want him. How can we make this happen?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Well, you know Shiloh's out there, free agent, Go get
him to team him up with Travis Hunter, team him up.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
What should do? But by the way, everywhere he's gone.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
When it was the pee Wee's coaching coaching his sons successful,
Jackson State wins two SWACK championships, goes to Colorado. They
go for one game to six game to nine, we
thought they might make the college football playoffs in two years.
Like there is a track record of him coaching and
having some success, Okay, and so that decision. I'm not separate.
I'm separated. I'm saying, separate from coaching his sons. I'm
(18:54):
saying I can see why this year, maybe next year
if they win you know, nine, ten games to getting
the console, but playoffs that coaches, I'm sorry, GMS in
the NFL might be like, man, this coach prime thing
may be really something to this.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah, I mean as always, I mean, guys with lesser
have gotten jobs and opportunities.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So I'm I'm not I mean, who was it, rob G?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I just forgot his first name? Judy with the Giants?
Uh No, Joe Judge, I'm sorry, Joe Judge. Joe Judge
was like, what was he? Ju?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
And you know, I was saying because because I said
many times I'd rather have a Judge Judy than Joe Judge.
And you remember, wasn't he like he wasn't even a coordinator,
rob G. That was my point and why I brought
up Joe Judge. He wasn't even a coordinator and he
got a job coaching the New York Football Giants. He
was like a special team assistant or special teams coordinator
and wide receivers cor Come.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
On, man on a business card. I know you need
two business cards. But you see he flipping over what
I said.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
He never was a coordinator. No, hey, listen, this is
why we tell y'all, it ain't what you know about
who you know crazy. When you get when you were
in certain circles and certain good old boy clubs and
people like you, and you you get opportunity, they throw
you outy loops.
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Speaker 1 (20:21):
If Lamar Jackson has sealed the deal, third MVP, twenty
seven years old, it's been to the postseason all these years,
but hasn't had the success in the postseason you would desire.
Is there more added pressure now that he once again
is the MVP.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I don't think he's added I think it's the same pressure.
I don't think he I don't think he goes in
the seasons saying I want to win the MVP. You
just play and you win because you're that good. So
I don't think there's any added pressure. I think that
there's the same pressure until he can break through. There
are always going to be people that are gonna use
that and hold it against him, which I get. Josh
(21:01):
Allen is the same way all great players. There's expectations.
Dan Marino went to the Super Bowl his second year
in the league, never went back. You don't think people
were talking about that was Dan Marino ever gonna get back?
When is he gonna get back? Those are expectations because
people believe in you and think you're that good and
you deserve to win or you will win. So I
(21:23):
think it's external, But I don't think it's internal pressure
where he's like, oh my god, I gotta win this year. No,
he's going he wants to win. I don't doubt that
for one second that he just wants. He wants to
win a super Bowl. And that's why you play, and
not only that's why you play, that's why you get better. Right,
he played well last year against the Texans and then
they had that crazy game plan.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
We all watched that game.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
They he talked about it recently, I don't even want
to be Roger if we do have that sign it
off from Lamar talking about what he's been why he's
had these playoffs six struggles, he said that, you know,
he was just kind of overthinking it and he just
wasn't at e and he feels much more at ease.
And obviously, anytime you're in a big time pressureized situation,
that's the tended.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
You know, you overthink it.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
But I love the fact that he continues to get better,
he continued, He doesn't He didn't come in the league
and just say I'm better than everybody fast and everybody
more talented, and they take that.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
He keeps getting better.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And to me, when I see that mixed with this talent,
that's only gonna lead to to a Super Bowl appearance.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You got that, And then then and then the second
part is right, last year didn't have a Derek Henry.
They were doing it by committee to running back, and
last they lost their running back in that in that
game where they lost che Chiefs, they rushed the ball
for like four or five times from their running back.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Can you imagine that?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Like, seriously, I appreciate his honesty, you know what, I mean,
he knows these are big games. He wants to perform well.
And he didn't say it, but I think I'm right,
and I'll say it for him. I do think there's
an element of him that wanted to prove everyone wrong
that I can win these games on my my arm.
Now my legs, not my athleticism. We talked about my arm.
(23:00):
I think he a little bit of him wanted to
prove the doubters wrong in that reguard. And with that
you sometimes take away your superpower, which is you're gifted
and talented enough to do both. And I think he
kind of took away his superpower by being hell been
unproven that he can win.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
It with his arm.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Do you remember from me this year was that throw
to Bateman? Remember we talked.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Abound yep and through the forty or five yards right
on the money, right on, like the window is this
small and the only place that could go. And I
looked at that. That was a guy that people thought
couldn't throw them.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
And he's done that now another ten times this season
where he was running, run and running and just you know,
hit the guy right on the money.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Again.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He has become Superman. Uh but yeah, he's at that
place where the greats get. You know where that place is.
We expect you to win one. We already know you're
gonna win ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen games. Now, we already
know you're gonna be an MVP candidate. But Lebron James,
can you win a championship? Michael Jordan flying through the air,
(23:59):
You won an Envy seven championship.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I remember I was covering the league back then, and
people are like, well, he's a great player, but he
doesn't make anybody better. He doesn't win because yeah, and
that's what they said. That's where you gay said. And
here's the other thing we talked about off the air.
Say he does win, he's got three m vps before. Right,
if he wins this, which I believe you will, by
twenty seven his birthdays, yep, is he ate twenty eight?
(24:25):
Ye'll be seven, Okay, twenty seven, but he'll be twenty
three before twenty at twenty eight. And if he wins
a super Bowl and he can like just play and
rely and like that's the monkey's off his back, so
to speak. Can you imagine what this guy what what
damnage he could do? The next I mean he's already
got he'll have three m vps.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Aaron Rodgers has four. He will have.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
He didn't think four years ago he would have because
he's not a good passer.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
He can't do that. He's only a runner. He's just
an Athlete's not really a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Well, we're gonna start having some conversation in the next
three to four years if he keeps going at this
rate and gets one maybe two. Didn't you have to saying,
all right, well, let me think because he's gonna start
knocking some people out, like, does he knock out a
jam that way?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Does he knock that I'm not saying we don't.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
We have time and you not talking about this, but
he starts to be coming, Oh, well, shoot, is he
better than Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Is he better than an that way?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Is he better than a Peyton? Peyton was a pure passer.
But you start to have he's you know, and I'm
not saying he is, but you start.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
To the five MVPs and what's seven all pros? That's
pretty impressive for real, not even when he's seven.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
No, I know.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Him to have seven more years of around this. Maybe
it's eighty percent of it, you.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Know, but he ain't. I don't think he's going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And he's proven us he takes his craft seriously and
only wants to get better.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Bob g jump in This question might sound blasphemous. I
think it's appropriate given what we got today.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I think I know where you're going this. Go ahead.
If he gets the.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Super Bowl this year, which is not out of around
with possibility, sure he gets it, and and I'm assuming
if he wins, he's probably gonna be the.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Envy because he's the quarterback. Just that's the way it
works out.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Is he suddenly in the Mahomes conversation where like, hey,
he could also be the guy who's in that Tom
Brady got debate. Yes, because individually his accolades are gonna be.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Or better, right, right right, because of the especially the
last two years with Mahomes, right, and he that helps,
that helps, And if all he has to do, he
doesn't have to because Mahomes is what three and one
yes correct. So say he wins too and without a
loss or something, and he's piling up these other numbers.
You start to look at it during this it's listening,
(26:44):
it's because of his other accolades. But of course he
has to win Super Bowl to even get in that conversation.
But but rob g, I don't think it's outraged because
it's very similar to Peyton and breaking down there you
go that Brady was not viewed as the greatest until
he got like number five, right, But but yeah, because
he also passed Joe Montana. Who there, and that's when
(27:06):
when it flipped because it wasn't like that. Don't forget Brady.
And here's the other thing with Mahomes that that.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Could possibly happen.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
He could have a Brady like where Brady won three early,
right and then went nine years without winning. Like as
the Chiefs get older and any weeks that's like there's
a chance that the Chiefs have to say they don't
win this year, just say okay, and then they go
nine years or eight years, Mahomes a little older, right,
all of a sudden his career and then the last
(27:36):
you look at him in the last seven or eight
years and you go, well, you know what lamar Ran
did this?
Speaker 5 (27:43):
And then to go back to the Brady conversation, because
I say until he got five, that was when it
was kind of like all right, well there's no debate anymore.
I'm not even talking about just the Montana now I'm
talking about of his generation.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
It was no, I think Pain's better.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Pain's got the five m VP's got all the All pros,
even though he only has one Super Bowl. He's a
better quarterback than Tom Brady and Lamar is gonna He
could theoretically have that going from where he has, you know,
four MVPs and five first team All Pro whatever it is.
And suddenly it's his conversation. Conversation is going at one
(28:15):
thousand percent. And especially I keep banging on this point
because he's become a better passer.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I think if he was doing this but still subconsciously.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
He's just an athlete, it's just now people would have
they wouldn't want to give him his full credit, you know.
But now that he's actually a legit passer, just as
good as all these other guys, if not as a passer,
and it's not as aesthetically pleasing his throat, I do
think that also hampers him a bit.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
But I think you have to strongly consider.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
And this is why when I said, have been saying
all year, he's the best player in NFL by no, no, no,
you come on, Patrick, he's still, He's still. I'm I
know Patrick makes clutch play. He's not Patrick has the history.
But people get the letter.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
They think it's a lifetime achievement and that you can
Patrick will one like Noah, I gotta be for I've
gotta be for I and you gotta admit. And we
talked about it they were fifteen and two. This year
he's not in the All Pro conversational or and it
was a pig conversation because of him. Their defense bailed
him out. He made the right play every you know,
when he needed to.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
But no, Lamar Jackson, to me, has become the best
player because I don't know what to do with him
as a defense. Stop to pass, he runs all over us.
Stop to run, he passes all over us. He's making
big throws. He's making throws that we didn't think he
could make. And that's why to me, and again, it's
a fluid thing. Josh Allen might be the best player
next year, you know what I mean. It's a fluid situation.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm not surprised. What aren't you surprised? Though? That teams
were interested in Bill Belichick? Hold on, well, you put
an s on that you pluralized it. Hold On, multiple teams.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
It's not just the Raiders, but the Raiders and Tom
Brady definitely were interested in him. But they said multiple teams.
There are other teams who wouldn't be interested in Bill Belichick.
I was shocked, you know that when he took a
college job, and I was like, this is about nepotism over.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
History because he's setting his son up.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
And the reason that he's not gonna go and leave
North Carolina and I would there's a chance to go
back to the NFL to be the all time winning
his coach. Right, breakdown Schuler's record is because he's got
his family and friends all hooked up, They're.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
All there, they got jobs.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
He can't bow out, can't because everybody would be left
in the lurch, people who left jobs and situations. And
so this is not just about Bill Belichick anymore. And
that's why he can't do it. He must be kicking
hisself a little bit to say I should have waited.
There was no rush to take the North Carolina college
football season isn't even over yet.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Can I offer you something though? I think there's two
things I would like to say. One, I think there
is an element of pride when you've been this great,
You're arguably the greatest of all time. Bunch of Super
Bowl appears and he's been that powerful. I think he
I think there's an element of him saying, how dare
I have to wait?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You know what I mean? How dare ain't my phone
they brought up black? How they just started?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
But I'm saying, but I'm but again, Remember I said,
I'm Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Why do I have to wait? Why does why have
we heard?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
He also heard the reports that people were bowing out
because they said, we don't want to have to deal
with him.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
We don't want to have to deal with the power.
A same report said that he burned a lot of
bridges over the years. Yeah, but now there's multiple.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But I'm talking about so I think the initial thing
was your boy, I'm free, how that hatch your boy
and nobody called. And I think there's a part, you know,
a part of pride that's like, well, bomp y'all. In
second thing I would offer you is maybe he doesn't
want to be something. No, that's a huge thing once
you get tied into it. That's one thousand percent correct.
I'm going a little bit before that. Once he once
he committed. You got too many people involved, too many people.
(02:35):
We got Lombardi people joining in gms and no, no, no,
he's he's godfather. At this point, I got all these
people up under me. Last what I was gonna make is,
let me offer this. Do you think there's a part
of him that doesn't want to be subservient to Tom Brady,
that I don't want him to be the one like
godfathering me, Like I put you in this position.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I put you here, Coach.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I've been the guy over time, all these years, right,
I've been the one pushing the buttons, making the calls
and doing all that because you think that's an element.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Here was like, no, I want you to be not
I think I'm part owner and I picked you.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I think it's an ultimate sign of respect to be honest.
Is that from Tom?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah? From Tom? I get that from Tom hard I'm saying,
but from Tom.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
But for him to come ask me after we had
to break up, right and we had a little tay
to tay or whatever you want to call it, for
him to come and offer me a job when it
could easily be like I won the divorce, I won
the champions than you. I'm better, and I can just
go on, I got this big job and now I'm
a part owner, right and you're going to college.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I won. It was about me, not about you.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
For Tom Brady to reach back and say, no, Bill,
we would love for you to be the coach of
the Raiders. I mean seriously at his age, right, he's
like seventy oh yeah, yeah, I think we'd or something
like that. But you get me, like, with a chance
to coach for say, hey, we'll give you a three
year contract, you'll get the record, you know what I mean?
(03:58):
He could get the record in three years. Remember as
bad as the Raiders were this year. Last year they
won like seven.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Games and Antonio Pearce was the guy looking great as
the internew coach.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
But I do think that plays a role.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Rob. Everyone's oh, don shul at fifteen more games. He
might be thinking that might take me three years, could
be you know, probably three years max, but you know,
like the years is not But I think for him
it's like three years. I gotta go there. I don't
have a quarterback as of right now. You know, obviously
the draft, we could see what's what and all of that,
and Tom Brady maybe have something up his sleeves. But
(04:32):
I just I do think there's an element of him
now who wants who likes the fact that I have
the total control of what I do at you and
see I get to be the don data at USC,
I'm you n C North Carolina, and I get to
do whatever I want. Right.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I got my son in position. I brought my homies over.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
The only problem is the chances of you succeeding on
the high level at North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Arm big. That's not a football but.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It's almost easier now Rob, with the transfer, he already
got a top defensive lineman. Who's gonna come there, I
get the transfer portal and him talking about not even
sugarcoating gets said, I'm about.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
To make this bros.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
And two players gonna be in the first round and
they couldn't even get in the college football playoffs.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
But they went nine to three. Though.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
No, but I'm just saying, and now you're telling me
North Carolina, who I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, Colorado won one game two years ago. So if
North Carolina in a year or two, all of a
sudden wins nine games.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
But you had two star two top picks and you
couldn't get there, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
You ain't go you have top two top picks every year. No, no,
you're not. He I think it's a once in a
lifetime situation.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
That damn saying specifically, I'm making this a pro thing.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I don't care. We're gonna find way to pay guys.
We're gonna try to.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
My whole goal is to get you to be ready
to be a pro in life, and ain't No wants
you to be a good man, and it's come be
a pro. Holler at your boy, but everybody think that's
gonna right, But don't come here. I'm building pro. You
had this is pro university.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
You if you're if you're a and Bill Belichick's seventy one.
These guys like that sounds great. No disrespect his TikTok.
I'm just saying he'd be getting his TikTok on there. Okay,
yeah you see wow, swing it.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, there's money involved.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I'm just saying, if money's involved, you're doing commercial with Cameron.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Everybody's young.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
If money's involved, he's doing commercial with Cameron and like,
you know who that is?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
And he's just like, oh, they just know his name,
and that's right, camp, I'm doing this. What's up Drew Ski? Crazy?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Well, first of all, sir, you know who his girlfriend is.
She's keeping him a breast at night. Don't act like
you know that you laying in the bed with her
at night? What you're doing over there looking at TikTok?
And she's over here showing her little TikTok And he's like,
who's that? This is Jiskey, this is Camon Mace. They
have a show, and you know she's keeping him a breast.
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Built asleep by that time? Will you kidding?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Stop it? That's what she's looking at. TikTok she's got
from eight to three to put him to sleep. Yeah,
eight o'clock he's done, and she's looking at TikTok and
making calls the Bluetooth commercials.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I keep seeing it around.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I'm just saying, I just think he made a mistake.
And and uh he and and you know, like the
whole idea. If if I'm him, I gotta say I'm
gonna take the job.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I'm gonna take the job.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
And I'm gonna say to my family and friends, I
have a chance to be the all time winning his
coach in the National Football League. Okay, And and guys
don't get you see guys getting fired after one or two.
Guys don't get to stick around that long for somebody
to come along and do the same thing and and
have a chance to eclipse my record. I have a
(07:43):
chance of putting my name in the record books forever.
And it's once in a lifetime opportunity. And I made
a mistake. I was premature in taking this job. And
I know you guys all you know wanted to do.
We're gonna do this thing. But if I'm him, I
back out of the deal.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
The only thing I'll say to that is and I
said it then when we were talking about this, I
think people don't care about the actual record as much
as you do.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Like I think people think.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
So so wait a minute, so say Kwon Barker's that's
literally no. Why so tay Kwon Barkley? You all about
that like Jef for family. But you're telling me all
the time winning his coach in the history of football.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Because he already is considered the greatest. That's the reason.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Why there are people who are almost people what I'm saying,
but universally must I polled one hundred people seventy five
to eighty percent are going to say Bill Belichill.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But but when you talk about, uh, who's the all
time winning his coach, it does that's something that his
name will be there. Who go into the Hall of
Fame with that? That goes on your plaque?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Do you know what I mean? It's like a lot
that that's your What did you do? All right?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I got the six championships, but I was also the
all time winning his coach.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I think it's bigger than you think I do.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
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Speaker 4 (09:09):
Let's talk about Dion Sanders and this whole NFL thing.
We do have sound from Dion talking about potentially about
the NFL and all that.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Let's hear from Dion. But is there a chance that
you can add to the NFL. I know where you're
going you go about right? Yeah? If I respond, you
know what we're going about, right, I know right? You
know what? The only way I would consider.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Is to coach my son son sons.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Okay, I think we're gonna go with you. Well. I
love Colorado now, I love my Buffalos. I love everything
that we're building.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I love everything that we're doing, and I love Boulder, Colorado.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I do. Here's a problem I have with that.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
What's that the the only way is his that his
sons have to be on the team.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And I do have a problem with it.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
For all that he's done, all the good stuff, you
know what I mean, and and his that's that's not
the issue. It's when you try to manufacture and put
things in. Okay, So one of your sons isn't playing well,
is he not? As he benched? Somebody's playing better? That
is he benched. No, he's playing regardless because I'm the coach,
(10:35):
and then you lose the rest of the team, like
you put yourself in a very Now, if you just
happen to be your son is a star player and
you happen to be you know, and you're the coach
or whatever, there's no issue. There's no issue when life
is good. It's when things are bad, okay. And DeVante
(10:56):
Adams is a perfect example of I want to go play.
I live in Las Vegas and I want to go
play with my former college quarterback. Why a great time?
How'd that work out in Las Vegas for Devonte Adam?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Okay? In New York. Yeah, but you get me.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
You're trying to manufacture something and it doesn't always work
out where people are trying. Well, I want to go
here and I want to Oh they just got fired?
Now what or you know what I mean? Like that,
That's all I'm saying. Not if it happens organically and
it works and your kids are start a team, then
(11:33):
there's no issue. It's when he's not the star and
now you've got to make a change or bench or
the ownership wants to trade him.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Do you know what I like. Like, that's the only
issue I have with it.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Well, I think this is just a case of prime priming.
What he's doing is setting himself up for a wain
Way Rob he's doing. I actually believe that he doesn't
have interest in going to the NFL right now. I
don't believe it necessarily the never I believe. I think
he's enjoyed being one of the top dogs in college football.
Went from one game to I believe it was six.
You know, when they got there the year before, they'd
(12:08):
only won one. Then they went six, and then they
went nine. He's produced a Heisman Trophy winner, probably gonna
produce two top five players in the NFL draft.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I think he's.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Thoroughly enjoying this Colorado Buffalo run. So there's no interest
in leaving to the league right now. But if I'm
gonna throw this out here just so I can have
it my way, if it were to happen, if you
were to happen to draft my son or my sons,
and mind you, he has three, because he thinks of
(12:37):
Travis Hunter as a son. If you have one of
my sons or maybe both of my sons are all
three and you happen to have them, then by golly,
I may come coaching.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
That's not that's not realistic. If that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
If they're both top five picks, how in the world
are gonna be on the same team.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I don't think it has to be next year, Rob.
I think he's saying it could be two years. It'd
be three years they get traded to it. You know,
we've seen people play togain. I don't think he's saying
this season. Think he's saying hypothetically down the line, if
two of my boys are playing together, yes, I would
want to coach. So that's why I think he's just
coach prime entertaining. No one's gonna go viral, throwing it
out there in case a random circuit.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Okay, so owners gonna what owner is gonna take that? Well,
I don't think the owner is gonna.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I don't think the owner can create where two sons
are on the same team to go back you know what,
go back seven eight years, whatever it was. He's LeVar
balin my boys, all three of them gonna be on
the Lakers, all three, all three never lost.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's what's going on here.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
He's just throwing it out, creating something maybe Donald Line.
Some random GM says, yo, I wouldn't mind Coach Sanders
as our coach.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
We want Coach Prime.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
And then they go, well, we already got chadur or
we already got Shiloh, or we already got Travis Hunter.
And let's say Shiloh is a middling dB.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
That sounds like, come on, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
He's only doing that because he knows it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Okay, all right, well by one.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
If it's one kid, now you're talking about trying to
finagle three kids, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Like like, that's just it's just.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Far fetched, is what it is. That's why I go
back to LeVar bah Ball. All three of his kids
didn't make it to the NBA. But that's why I
go back to LeVar. What was he screaming in our
ears for a year or two? All three of them
gonna play with the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I already seen it in my dream and God told me,
I think it's a little bit of that Coach Prime.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
One kid didn't even make it into the league. Yeah,
but he got the hottest song of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Don matter, but he didn't make it into the league.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Rob G, we're gonna be righting around or let's listening
to it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
No coach Prime is thoroughly enjoying college because college, rob
is one place where you can become a deity as
you know that you start winning.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Boy, this is why we talked about James Franklin earlier.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You can have a job somewhere for ten, twenty, twenty
five thirty years, beat a toast. That's literally be the
highest paid state official in a state.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
He ain't going nowhere. He's about to be the king.
I disagree.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I'm not saying ever, but he ain't going on in
a hurry.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I think there's a if there's an opportunity for him.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Colorado's nice, you know, they had a chance this year
to get into the college Football Playoff. They didn't get there,
you know, and and his progress is cool. But if
there's an opportunity to move from Bowl to Colorado, I
just I don't see how how you wouldn't be interested
in that. Well, are you saying bigger college?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Like?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I just think that there would be an opportunity for
him to say, let's see where I can take it.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
We talk about it all the time.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
You know, we've never had a black coach in the
college uh national championship game.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
What I mean, let's think about that. Yeah, I mean
never hold on, Well.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
We will today, we will this year, right right, one
of the two, one of the So there's gonna be
a p for the first time.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
This is twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Oh man, I gotta do some math on that. Let
me one divided by two plus three think about that. No,
hold on, hold on, let me get a calculator, because
I DIVI six a calculator. Somebody, hold on, rock, you
gotta be missing somebody, bag on it. I'm about to
count somebody as an honorary brother. Jim Harboy is an
honorary brother.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Okay, okay, now we've crossed along somebody, dag it crazy.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So we got one this year.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I just I think this is uh, if there was this,
if he was talking about one scenario one son one,
I could see that this whole idea, and he said
and he went out of his way to go sons.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Oh he pluralized that thing. Yeah. You know you know what. Also,
I think he's doing rock and rob Gie. I think
we were talking about this.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You and I I think he's trying to make sure
people don't forget Shiloh, who they projector a fifth, sixth round.
I think he's gonna go a little earlier because I
think he might perform very well up the combine and
then maybe go third, fourth round.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
But point is, I think it's a lot of inphasy.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I know y'all know Shad or everybody knows that Travis
literally is a Heisman winner. He looks up as you know,
he looks at coach Prime as a father figure. But
don't forget Shiloh. So I think emphasis on him is
like I want Shiloh to be comfortable and in a
good position and fail too. I think there's a little
onus on that, a little you know, a little little
fatherly touch on that as well.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah, I mean Dianna throw it out he throw it
out there. But I just it's just the NFL doesn't
work like that. And and and you heard what I
just said. If you have if they're on your team
and your dion and somebody's better than your kid, like
what are you doing now?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Now?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
One of a few people actually do believe that would
be like Lebron, I don't believe Lebron gonna be like, well,
he just not like if it was Lebron in this situation.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
He going, No, he's gonna have to keep playing.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I do actually believe Coach Prime would be like, you
got to earn it, like you got you gotta earn it.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Come on, baby, I heard this. I could hear him.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Saying like I could believe that, Hey, you ain't playing
right now, get better, get in the study room, get
whatever you need to get going right now.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Number thirty twos in the game. I do believe he
would do that.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
But I think he's just setting it out there just
in case, by some chance, in three years, some GM
is desperate for a new coach and maybe he didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Been in the college football playoffs a couple times, and
they lie, we want him. How can we make this happen?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Well, you know Shiloh's out there, free agent, Go get
him to team him up with Travis Hunter, team him up.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
What should do? But by the way, everywhere he's gone.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
When it was the pee Wee's coaching coaching his sons successful,
Jackson State wins two SWACK championships, goes to Colorado. They
go for one game to six game to nine, we
thought they might make the college football playoffs in two years.
Like there is a track record of him coaching and
having some success, Okay, and so that decision. I'm not separate.
I'm separated. I'm saying, separate from coaching his sons. I'm
(18:54):
saying I can see why this year, maybe next year
if they win you know, nine, ten games to getting
the console, but playoffs that coaches, I'm sorry, GMS in
the NFL might be like, man, this coach prime thing
may be really something to this.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah, I mean as always, I mean, guys with lesser
have gotten jobs and opportunities.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So I'm I'm not I mean, who was it, rob G?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I just forgot his first name? Judy with the Giants?
Uh No, Joe Judge, I'm sorry, Joe Judge. Joe Judge
was like, what was he? Ju?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
And you know, I was saying because because I said
many times I'd rather have a Judge Judy than Joe Judge.
And you remember, wasn't he like he wasn't even a coordinator,
rob G. That was my point and why I brought
up Joe Judge. He wasn't even a coordinator and he
got a job coaching the New York Football Giants. He
was like a special team assistant or special teams coordinator
and wide receivers cor Come.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
On, man on a business card. I know you need
two business cards. But you see he flipping over what
I said.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
He never was a coordinator. No, hey, listen, this is
why we tell y'all, it ain't what you know about
who you know crazy. When you get when you were
in certain circles and certain good old boy clubs and
people like you, and you you get opportunity, they throw
you outy loops.
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Speaker 1 (20:21):
If Lamar Jackson has sealed the deal, third MVP, twenty
seven years old, it's been to the postseason all these years,
but hasn't had the success in the postseason you would desire.
Is there more added pressure now that he once again
is the MVP.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I don't think he's added I think it's the same pressure.
I don't think he I don't think he goes in
the seasons saying I want to win the MVP. You
just play and you win because you're that good. So
I don't think there's any added pressure. I think that
there's the same pressure until he can break through. There
are always going to be people that are gonna use
that and hold it against him, which I get. Josh
(21:01):
Allen is the same way all great players. There's expectations.
Dan Marino went to the Super Bowl his second year
in the league, never went back. You don't think people
were talking about that was Dan Marino ever gonna get back?
When is he gonna get back? Those are expectations because
people believe in you and think you're that good and
you deserve to win or you will win. So I
(21:23):
think it's external, But I don't think it's internal pressure
where he's like, oh my god, I gotta win this year. No,
he's going he wants to win. I don't doubt that
for one second that he just wants. He wants to
win a super Bowl. And that's why you play, and
not only that's why you play, that's why you get better. Right,
he played well last year against the Texans and then
they had that crazy game plan.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
We all watched that game.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
They he talked about it recently, I don't even want
to be Roger if we do have that sign it
off from Lamar talking about what he's been why he's
had these playoffs six struggles, he said that, you know,
he was just kind of overthinking it and he just
wasn't at e and he feels much more at ease.
And obviously, anytime you're in a big time pressureized situation,
that's the tended.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
You know, you overthink it.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
But I love the fact that he continues to get better,
he continued, He doesn't He didn't come in the league
and just say I'm better than everybody fast and everybody
more talented, and they take that.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
He keeps getting better.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And to me, when I see that mixed with this talent,
that's only gonna lead to to a Super Bowl appearance.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You got that, And then then and then the second
part is right, last year didn't have a Derek Henry.
They were doing it by committee to running back, and
last they lost their running back in that in that
game where they lost che Chiefs, they rushed the ball
for like four or five times from their running back.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Can you imagine that?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Like, seriously, I appreciate his honesty, you know what, I mean,
he knows these are big games. He wants to perform well.
And he didn't say it, but I think I'm right,
and I'll say it for him. I do think there's
an element of him that wanted to prove everyone wrong
that I can win these games on my my arm.
Now my legs, not my athleticism. We talked about my arm.
(23:00):
I think he a little bit of him wanted to
prove the doubters wrong in that reguard. And with that
you sometimes take away your superpower, which is you're gifted
and talented enough to do both. And I think he
kind of took away his superpower by being hell been
unproven that he can win.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
It with his arm.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Do you remember from me this year was that throw
to Bateman? Remember we talked.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Abound yep and through the forty or five yards right
on the money, right on, like the window is this
small and the only place that could go. And I
looked at that. That was a guy that people thought
couldn't throw them.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
And he's done that now another ten times this season
where he was running, run and running and just you know,
hit the guy right on the money.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Again.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He has become Superman. Uh but yeah, he's at that
place where the greats get. You know where that place is.
We expect you to win one. We already know you're
gonna win ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen games. Now, we already
know you're gonna be an MVP candidate. But Lebron James,
can you win a championship? Michael Jordan flying through the air,
(23:59):
You won an Envy seven championship.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I remember I was covering the league back then, and
people are like, well, he's a great player, but he
doesn't make anybody better. He doesn't win because yeah, and
that's what they said. That's where you gay said. And
here's the other thing we talked about off the air.
Say he does win, he's got three m vps before. Right,
if he wins this, which I believe you will, by
twenty seven his birthdays, yep, is he ate twenty eight?
(24:25):
Ye'll be seven, Okay, twenty seven, but he'll be twenty
three before twenty at twenty eight. And if he wins
a super Bowl and he can like just play and
rely and like that's the monkey's off his back, so
to speak. Can you imagine what this guy what what
damnage he could do? The next I mean he's already
got he'll have three m vps.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Aaron Rodgers has four. He will have.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
He didn't think four years ago he would have because
he's not a good passer.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
He can't do that. He's only a runner. He's just
an Athlete's not really a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Well, we're gonna start having some conversation in the next
three to four years if he keeps going at this
rate and gets one maybe two. Didn't you have to saying,
all right, well, let me think because he's gonna start
knocking some people out, like, does he knock out a
jam that way?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Does he knock that I'm not saying we don't.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
We have time and you not talking about this, but
he starts to be coming, Oh, well, shoot, is he
better than Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Is he better than an that way?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Is he better than a Peyton? Peyton was a pure passer.
But you start to have he's you know, and I'm
not saying he is, but you start.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
To the five MVPs and what's seven all pros? That's
pretty impressive for real, not even when he's seven.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
No, I know.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Him to have seven more years of around this. Maybe
it's eighty percent of it, you.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Know, but he ain't. I don't think he's going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And he's proven us he takes his craft seriously and
only wants to get better.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Bob g jump in This question might sound blasphemous. I
think it's appropriate given what we got today.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I think I know where you're going this. Go ahead.
If he gets the.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Super Bowl this year, which is not out of around
with possibility, sure he gets it, and and I'm assuming
if he wins, he's probably gonna be the.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Envy because he's the quarterback. Just that's the way it
works out.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Is he suddenly in the Mahomes conversation where like, hey,
he could also be the guy who's in that Tom
Brady got debate. Yes, because individually his accolades are gonna be.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Or better, right, right right, because of the especially the
last two years with Mahomes, right, and he that helps,
that helps, And if all he has to do, he
doesn't have to because Mahomes is what three and one
yes correct. So say he wins too and without a
loss or something, and he's piling up these other numbers.
You start to look at it during this it's listening,
(26:44):
it's because of his other accolades. But of course he
has to win Super Bowl to even get in that conversation.
But but rob g, I don't think it's outraged because
it's very similar to Peyton and breaking down there you
go that Brady was not viewed as the greatest until
he got like number five, right, But but yeah, because
he also passed Joe Montana. Who there, and that's when
(27:06):
when it flipped because it wasn't like that. Don't forget Brady.
And here's the other thing with Mahomes that that.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Could possibly happen.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
He could have a Brady like where Brady won three early,
right and then went nine years without winning. Like as
the Chiefs get older and any weeks that's like there's
a chance that the Chiefs have to say they don't
win this year, just say okay, and then they go
nine years or eight years, Mahomes a little older, right,
all of a sudden his career and then the last
(27:36):
you look at him in the last seven or eight
years and you go, well, you know what lamar Ran
did this?
Speaker 5 (27:43):
And then to go back to the Brady conversation, because
I say until he got five, that was when it
was kind of like all right, well there's no debate anymore.
I'm not even talking about just the Montana now I'm
talking about of his generation.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
It was no, I think Pain's better.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Pain's got the five m VP's got all the All pros,
even though he only has one Super Bowl. He's a
better quarterback than Tom Brady and Lamar is gonna He
could theoretically have that going from where he has, you know,
four MVPs and five first team All Pro whatever it is.
And suddenly it's his conversation. Conversation is going at one
(28:15):
thousand percent. And especially I keep banging on this point
because he's become a better passer.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I think if he was doing this but still subconsciously.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
He's just an athlete, it's just now people would have
they wouldn't want to give him his full credit, you know.
But now that he's actually a legit passer, just as
good as all these other guys, if not as a passer,
and it's not as aesthetically pleasing his throat, I do
think that also hampers him a bit.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
But I think you have to strongly consider.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
And this is why when I said, have been saying
all year, he's the best player in NFL by no, no, no,
you come on, Patrick, he's still, He's still. I'm I
know Patrick makes clutch play. He's not Patrick has the history.
But people get the letter.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
They think it's a lifetime achievement and that you can
Patrick will one like Noah, I gotta be for I've
gotta be for I and you gotta admit. And we
talked about it they were fifteen and two. This year
he's not in the All Pro conversational or and it
was a pig conversation because of him. Their defense bailed
him out. He made the right play every you know,
when he needed to.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
But no, Lamar Jackson, to me, has become the best
player because I don't know what to do with him
as a defense. Stop to pass, he runs all over us.
Stop to run, he passes all over us. He's making
big throws. He's making throws that we didn't think he
could make. And that's why to me, and again, it's
a fluid thing. Josh Allen might be the best player
next year, you know what I mean. It's a fluid situation.
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