February 28, 2025 • 38 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain why Jayson Tatum has never seriously been considered as the next Face of the NBA, tell us why they believe Shedeur Sanders is built to resurrect an NFL franchise and take a trip out to Shekel City for Rob’s nightly bets. Plus, Washington Post reporter Michael Lee swings by to discuss Tatum’s status around the league, why guys like Anthony Edwards and Shai-Gilgeous Alexander seem to have surpassed Tatum despite having lesser résumés and much more!
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What's that sweetie beaty? All right coming?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Up on the program Michael Lee from the Washington Post.
He'll be joining us in about twenty seven minutes. Also
a little Shekel City then go too well, Will Blackman,
Will Blackman, the former twelve year NFL veteran, right, he
joined us an hour number two and we did.
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The show together, did you yeah? Weekend joint okay?
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And a last call of course an hour number three
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action and uh stimulating conversation throughout the program.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
First, let me welcome in my partner.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
He is Calvin was happy Friday. Uh police Verness? Did
I say it right? Robbie?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I thought it was police. We're not starting Friday with hate, Mary, Okay,
it's true, starting with love. It's true. She's right, though.
Robbie was like, I don't know either.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Rober he speaks Spanish, probably more than Robber. I keep
forgetting Robgi is black. So I just got to roll
with that Timberland shirt on. Roger got a Timberland shirt?
How getting no black?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Have you got Timberla He ain't got no timberlinges.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
He does Timberlan sneakers.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
He's more New York than you right now I ain't
got no tyms on. But today somebody, hey, tread lightly,
get to that car quickly?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Boy Like I was like, you know what, my business
partner and the guys at the shop brought the sixtieth birthday.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Oh nicely, he's like my favorite days. But good man,
physical it's Friday.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Man, you know, took a little energy shot, got my
little I don't even know what it is. I'm sipping
on right now, not like that sipping That sounded crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So you went to U Miami and took off for
a couple of weeks. Oh I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
See, you know he'd be listening. I keep telling you
that he keeps tabs. You saw what you you know,
what happened with your boy another show? You know he's
posting stuff. You know he'd be listening. Man, he'd be listening.
And that's why I'll be trying to rob you. Don't
I try to tell him. Athletes be listening.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
No, they don't. They say they don't listen.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
They say they don't get Oh man, I'll be they
stay listening.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
They stay on social media.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Then of course today on first take Gilbert Arena's Jews,
who could donchic.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I'm gonna be real with you. I don't think that
one was like overly original.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I'm claiming that he stole it from me. But I'm
a riding that's all you got to do. Ride with you,
all right?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
But like I thought my Micha was off, I don't
thank you, all right, but yeah, no, he stole it, man,
give it back to That's right, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Ooops, why you gotta do that? He's supposed to be my.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Partner, right, you're right, we're gonna be together six months
or six years.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
That's by which one are you trying? That's your boys.
I'm a little frisky on this Friday, all right.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
All right, well love, let's welcome in the odd couple
of crew. We wouldn't be able to do this fine
radio program without him. Rob g is our producer. Wow,
he gets cricket.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I know. Steve de Seger's at the anchor desk.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
He'll keep us updated throughout the program. And of course
Elijah is our social media Guru's Elijah and he does
a great job on social force and of course on
the ones in tunes.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It's none other than huh.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
She got the thumbs down from Roger though, yes, all right,
let's get started. We got NBA on this Friday night.
Uh the big matchup, right, Yeah, the Calves and the
Celtics in the East and all that.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Rob g Uh set us up here.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
About Jason Tatum, who of course is a star in
the NBA. Won and UH won the NBA Championship a
year ago, finally got some of the UH got the
monkey off his back because you know, they were really good,
won a lot of games and all that, but people
still just said that they didn't trust him particularly, and
that they didn't believe in the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
But Rob guh framed this force sure, so of course
they're that framed this frame.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
I'll try to frame it a picture suitable for framing.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
There you go. That is my all time favorite.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Do you remember the old days when he used to
have those things and they would be like, yes, and
you will get your picture suitable for framing.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
So tonight's game, of course, the heavyweight matchup Calves against
the Celtics, top teams in the East, two most likely
teams to represent the eatern Conference in the NBA Finals.
And it's kind of fitting that Lebron James when viral
last night. We'll get to him later in the show
for suggesting that nobody wants to be the face of
the NBA because of all the ridicule that comes along
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with it.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, one guy who.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Has made it abundantly clear, I would love to be
the face of the NBA, but nobody kinda wants me
to be.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
That's Jason Tatum.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Spoke to Michael Lee join us here in about twenty
five minutes in the Washington Post, and Lee asked him
if he feels like he is appreciated in NBA circles.
Here's what Tatum said, quote, honestly, no. If you took
the name and face away from all my accomplishments and
you're just like, hey, this is what player a accomplished
at age twenty six, people will talk about me a
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lot differently. And to put in context, here's some of
the accomplishments that Jason Tatum has an NBA career. It's
been in the Eastern Conference Finals five times, been in
the NBA Finals twice, been in an NBA champion last year,
became just the sixth player in NBA history to win
a title and lead his team in points, rebounds, and assists.
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He's also once the season is over, we'll have four
first team All NBA nods. That is just as many
as all time greats like Derk Novitsky, Chris Paul, Kevin Garnett,
David Robinson, Moses Malone, Steph Curry, and one more than
guys like Allen Iverson, Scottie Pippen, Steve Nash, Isaiah Thomas,
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Bill Russell. Why is Jason Tatum not in the conversation
to be the face of the league.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And it's not because he's like skinned, let's take that
off the tape. We were thinking that, yes, let's take
that off the tape. You know, for a couple of years.
I don't know, But it ain't that because people always say, oh,
you know, he's light skinned. You know, light skinned guys
are played out. But that's just another story.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
But in this case, like you're taking a shot at
whoever self stole your girl, Like years.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
No, I'm good, ain't nobody still he's saying send somewhere
right now, you're getting shot at.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Right now by Yeah, he's probably listening it in prison.
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, I don't know, but I'm going to drugs that
light skin apartment. Yeah, I'll be sure looking on.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah that guy with the ice hair, Yeah that's him.
He did it. Uh No.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
The point is, the point is real simple. I don't
think he has like a personality to go with it.
And that's that's what it comes down to. It's not
always just numbers. It's not I know, I know people
want to say that it's the same thing. Can I
say this to you seriously, and I'm dead serious. There
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are a ton of good looking people who could be
on the news reading the news right that look better
than you, that look better than the females that we
see on the news, but they don't have that moxie.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
They don't have.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And that's not saying that you're not good looking or anything,
you know what I'm saying. But I'm saying it's more
than just a look. It's it's the whole package and
a personality comes with it.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Do you have a little edge to you? You know
what I mean? Or can the dialogue you have with writer?
Do you? Can you explain the game to me? Can you?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
When I remember seriously being in a scrum and listening
to Michael Jordan or Charles Balking, some of these guys
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I wasn't surprised that these are the guys who.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Moved the needle because they when I was talking to
him as a reporter, they were interesting to me. I'm
not gonna say a name, but I'll tell you this
for real, I'm not gonna say a name, but there
was an NFL Hall of Fame who was a Hall
of Famer first ballot all that, and.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
That I would try to talk to nothing zero zero.
I'm not gonna say that zero.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I'm not gonna Okay, you know I worked in New York, Detroit.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Okay, I've doing that a lot. Well, my point is
why you do that's my favorite stop that. That's not
who I'm talking about stopping. But my point is it.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Ain't just about the Okay, and that's that's all I'm
gonna say.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
We've been doing this show now for I don't five
six months or something something like that, since September something. Yeah,
so about six months almost, and I've never agreed with
you more. And you know what's funny, deep down, guess
who else agrees with us? Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum knows it.
Jason Tatum hobby has an agent, probably has a homeboy
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cousin or his mom who's kind of putting them up
to this. Jason Tatum doesn't even strike me as somebody
who overly wants it. Now, let's break a few things down,
if I may. Everyone isn't supposed to be a superstar.
The first thing you said unintentionally was rob g Let's
set it up, Jason Tatum, you know star.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You didn't say superstar.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
It's everybody isn't supposed to be a superstar. He's also,
you know what else, he's not original. He's not original
in that there's the whole meme of when they won
the championship and he quoted every quotable somebody has had
at a successful moment. He quoted Kevin Garnett, he quoted
Steph Curry, he quoted Kanye West. And there's a little
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bit of robot to him. He's kind of robotic, and
that's okay because he's a dang good player who's gonna
go down as one of the best that you know,
one of the greats, and they'll have a heck of
a career.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Everybody doesn't have to be a superstar.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
What I'm starting to see is a Tim Duncan like
career where you're surrounded by other good guys and some
years you're the best player. Some years, or at least
some seasons or times of the season, it might be
Jalen Brown, just like Tim Duncan was surrounded by Tony Parker.
The Genobli sometimes are the best. Then all three of
them were surpassed by Kawhi towards the end. But Duncan
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had an amazing career. Duncan had all the accolades, and
that's where he may be going. But Duncan, as you know,
was never necessarily a face of the league or superstar.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
He never said anything, never said anything. You never really
got any nothing controversial. And he wore sandals, so it
just didn't work.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
He wore the ross outfits that you didn't find because
you find some good ones, I give you that. He
wore the other stuff and ross, and he just didn't
have that. He wasn't a magnet. He wasn't magnetizing. Nora
is Jason Tatum and that's okay.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And what's crazy is when you think about Tim Duncan,
he's a missed free throw away from by Kawhi Leonard.
Who if he made that three a free throw they
would have been up by four and Ray Allen wouldn't
have been able to beat him.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Remember, he missed a free throw right before.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Right, he's a He's a free throw away from being
six and oer like Michael Jordan. Just think of that,
and nobody even remotely equates the two, which is what
one free throw. Think about that. That's incredible some people.
That's why some people have him ahead of a lot
of the greats. They say he's top five or six.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
They have him head of Kobe because they're like, dude,
what he did over that span, even winning at the
end of his career was remarkable. So I said them
out to say, Jason Tatum is a very very good player.
In my last and final point, you've never been the
best player in the league. There were moments where Steph
Curry you could argue, I think we all knew Lebron
was the best player, but some could say it with Steph,
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there's Lebron. We know Luca you can say, we know
he's been the best of a couple of years ago. Kobe,
not one point in time have you ever said Jason
Tatum was the best player in the league, because you
know what we did I ran through this with Rob
G yesterday and I named about eight or nine players
would you take over Tatum?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And he said eight of the nine or not eight
or nine? For nine? Am I lion? Rob G? He
named all of them.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I said, would you take Luca yes, Jokic yes, Giannis yes?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Who else? Sga? Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I named like seven play players that you would take
over Tatum. And you can't be the face when you're
that far down. So his career has been great thus far,
amazing accolades, probably one of the best six to seven
years start to a career period, as rob Z laid out.
But everybody in a superstar and that's okay, all right?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
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of the league conversation?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Why?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
And should he be? We'll continue that conversation next with you.
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not talking about Jason Tatum feels like, hey, why am
I not in consideration for the facing the league?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
He's got great accolades first six seven years of his career,
including a championship. Well, we both agree, doesn't have the
personality for it. And on my other point, Rob was
that everybody doesn't have to be a superstar, and that's okay.
Eight seven seven ninety nine On Fox, you say, let's
do it. Rick and Tucson. You're on the odd couple.
Fox Sports Radio. What's up break.
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We'll enjoy your program, Jenn, Thank you ver much.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
Here.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
I'm here in the Southwest and I go back and
forth to Texas and then to Detroit. You don't hear
a lot about the Boston Celtics the way you hear
about the Lakers, the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
And the NBA is not trying to.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Market to the sports fan to get sports fans know
who Jason Dataman, great player, never discount his abilities on
the court. But they're trying to reach the people that
don't understand sports or so the personalities like the Lebron
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James and the Stephen Currys and or go back to
the days of the old Piston days and the Rodmans
and all those things. Those personalities touch outside of the
sports world, and that's where the NBA is trying to
reach and expand its audience. And I don't think against
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Jason datum per see. And the other thing about Boston
is people have always sort of thought of Boston is
sort of like the blue collar community.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, I agree, And when you look at Boston compared
to La Thanks.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
For the call to Rick.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Uh that you know we are We do know that,
and and that does play into it. We're just Los
Angeles and just the star studded and the history and
the Celtics are just a little different. Uh, They're an
acquired taste. If you're from New England, from Connecticut, you're
all about the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I don't know if everybody the rest of the country.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
For them to be such a historic franchise, you would
think they would more.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I don't think they are so Jabbari in Michigan, you're
in the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
What's up, Jabari?
Speaker 9 (17:49):
What's up? Folks are doing? Happy Friday?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Happy Friday. Great to hear from you.
Speaker 9 (17:54):
Last History month, I know.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
The shortest month I might right the way they're trying
to do it, this might be it.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
Yeah, well, you know, you know d I A is
the kids kind of did so you know they might
not have celebrating like History Mafe, but you know it
is no but yeah, you know, and that's this is
an interesting topic because I was ill thought, y'all, will
the publicist early play, you know, But I'm gonna be real.
I think that the reason why Jasey Tatum's note in
the conversation, I think it mostly had to do the
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fact he played for the Boston Celtics. I think if
he was a he was a New York Nick or
l a Laker, I think that he would have gave
more praise. He would have been He would definitely be
in a conversation, probably be the faith because you look
at his resume, right, you look at his resume and
especially at the age of even at the age of
he is at twenty six.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And Jabari, we're not going to argue with you about
that as Celtic thing.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I think you if he was a Nick, I absolutely
believe would be big on a big stage. Of Jeremy
Lynn was massive for about a month and he was
not even a remote player compared to Jason.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And then six weeks later.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
I went to uh the sporting goods store and all
this stuff was on set for seventy I know, but that.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Must exactly that.
Speaker 9 (19:04):
That's that's that's my point. I think that I think
so we we all know Rob g will be will
be going, but dark over Jackson Champman, he was a Laker.
We all know.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh you already know that, right, I'm surprised.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
He's never I mean, they probably would have said that
he like he is the conversation for great as the
Laker of all time, that was the case, but I know,
but out of the bad but I was, But I
would say I would say that. I think it also
has to do with the fact that there's a sense
of man if another Celtic would becomes a dynasty, partend
to become a dynasty, there's like, dang, do we really
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got to talk about this guy guy.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
That.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, I don't think that one as much appreciate your body.
I think it's more of the Boston than than I think. Yeah,
if they're winning the Boston.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Thing out there, Kyle in Virginia Beach, you're on the
odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
What's up, Kyle?
Speaker 10 (19:54):
How you doing fellas Great?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
How are you.
Speaker 10 (19:58):
Well? My Tike comes from a different side. It comes
from marketing. So the base of the league has been
pretty much a Nike athlete. Thinking about Michael Jordan's you know,
he was a Nike athlete until he got his own brand.
And then Lebron witnessed greatness. I'm thirty. Witness greatness was
the thing we saw for years it was lebron okay.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
And Steph was wearing noseous shoes, So how did he
squeeze in? I can't even argue.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Okay, seriously, he had Eric You remember those el white
noseous shoes.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That he had his first sneaker. He had the Hall
Monitor one.
Speaker 10 (20:29):
Yeah, sure, and he should have been a Nike athlete
but it didn't work out. But you look at Sabrini
and Escu. You know she went to ogon ducks. She
had him shoe in the w n B A these
dudes in the NBA that wear her shoes.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
K Kobe was with Adidas for years too. I don't,
I don't know. I Nike is a bohemith I agree
with you on that, but.
Speaker 10 (20:49):
I just think he got to the Nike it became
oh shut cancel Christmas, like they're the shoes everybody wears.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I don't, no, no, no, I don't disagree that Nike
is a massive bohemoth and Americans, but I just don't
think Steph Curry was literally wearing Hall Monitors.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
He was wearing security dobody. Everybody overlooked it, you know
what I mean? They did? So yeah, I don't I
think there's more to it than that.
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It is the odd couple, Rob and Kelvin and we're
getting hanging out with you on a funky flashback Friday.
Right now, we are joined by Michael Lee, Washington Post Sports,
mon Times, Border.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
In the Business. I had to interrupt you guys.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
No facts FA's facts on facts right there, mister Michael
Lee on axent part of the the actually the reason
we were having this conversation writing about Jason Tatum and
Jason Tatum for the most part of paraphraser here Michael saying, Hey,
what about me? Look at my accolades, look at the
first six seven years of my career. Why aren't you
talking about me? Whiring are a bigger deal? Uh?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Tell us more?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Michael, just kind of the emphasis, the the impetus of
this piece and your takeaways.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Yeah, I mean one thing, we just wanted to talk
to him just about, you know, the whole face of
the NBA thing and just how we keep we keep
bringing up names of players who you know, next in line,
from Anthony Edwards to John Morant to h Shaye j
Alexander and all these guys, and you're naming all these guys,
but then Tatum is either not mentioned or he's glossed over,
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And I'm like, he's really the same age as these guys,
but he's much more accomplished. And so I'm always wondering,
like how he felt, because it seems like he's done
everything that's asked of him. He's he's been a part
of a winning organization. The team has never really looked
bad with him in the organization. He's already won a championship.
But it seems like he's always getting slighted, and so
(22:57):
I just want to not like if it ever was
something that he felt or it's something that you know,
bothered him, and uh, and he sort of you know
explained that, you know, he had his mind on bigger
things than just being a part of a debate, but
he did express a little frustration that you know that
when people are discussing, you know, who should be next?
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Like why isn't why is talking about me?
Speaker 10 (23:19):
Like?
Speaker 8 (23:19):
And I was looking at thinking about it. I was like,
you know what, the resume says a lot, you know,
so might kind of we're win.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Let me ask you this, Mike. You know, I've been
covering the NBA since nineteen eighty seven. I don't know
if you knew that, Mike, We all knew it. Mike
knew that, yes, But Mike, how long have you been
covering the association.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
Since two thousand and two?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Okay, for a long time, almost twenty five years? Okay.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
And I'm not the resume is all that. That's not
that's not all you need. And you know, you know,
because you're out there in the trenches talking to people
and whatnot. I don't think he mesmerizes anybody. I don't
think he uh makes people like stand up and listen.
I just I'm not I don't know if he has
the personality for you. You've talked to him way more and
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all that, and I think that there's more to it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
That's a part of it.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
You know what I mean Mike, but but there's other
stuff that goes with it. And I just think he's
a nice guy. He's a great player, But I don't
know if he moves the needle when he says anything.
Is that fair or unfair?
Speaker 8 (24:23):
That's fair because it's your opinion, right, and this is
what what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You're out there to it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
But superstar usually consists of something like that. That's the
thing that makes you original, well, I mean.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
The thing about thinking about facing the league typically something
that makes you super special, unique, that makes you like
either you're an explosive athlete who can jump out of
the gym. You got like Steph Curry, you're this amazing
three point shooter. Like you, there's something about your game
is dynamic that no one else can do that can't
be duplicated. It makes you really unique and special. And
that's typically what we're used to seeing when we talk
about somebody being in that position of being that guy.
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And obviously you know, you know he's not that type
of player or he doesn't have that type of personality.
But I also feel like we also are in an era,
like I call it the post social media area right
now where everybody. We see them so much that we
really got a chance to really break down their games
and whittle away at them to the point but there's
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nothing left to appreciate. But I think that in a
lot of ways, there is something there, and if he
continues to win championships, that's how you become to face
the league. Like Step didn't become in the conversation until
he won his first couple of championships, Lebron was already emerging,
but he didn't become the guy until he won championships.
And I put a plural on that because you got
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to win multiple you can't just win one to be
in that conversation. But if the Boston self just continue
on this course that they've been on since he's end
of the league and he's constantly playing in June, you're
gonna keep talking about him, and you're gonna maybe get
annoyed with him or frustrated with him, and maybe you
treat them by Tim Duncan and just brush them aside
and say we need somebody that one of that makes
like Kobe to sort of embraced during that time. But
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I think the one thing about Tatum that's different than
saying Tim Duncan is that he actually wants that. Like
he's in the commercials, he actually enjoys the limelight a
little bit a lot more than say that Tim Duncan would.
So I think he's he's willing to embrace it if
it's given to him, but he also realizes that if
it's not. Because I mean, I asked him, I said,
I asked him at the end of our conversation. I
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was like, do you want to be that guy? Do
you want to be the face of the league? And
he said, I want whatever is mine. I want whatever
it's supposed to be for me. Whatever it is is
for me, I will take it. And that's sort of
the way he sort of feels like he doesn't want
to get caught up in what other people are talking about.
He wants to be undeniable in a sense. My resume
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speaks out. My championships speak for themselves, My first team,
all NBA speaks for itself. All gold medals speak for themselves.
When you look at my resume, and you'll be able
to say whatever you want to say about me. But
if you want to enter me in a debate, fine,
but I'm not trying to be defined by debate. I'm
trying to be defined by winning. So far he's doing that.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
He's doing that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
We're joined by Michael Lee again, who wrote this articles
column on Jason Tatum and for the Washington Post Sports
Enterprise Reporter. There let me ask you this, though, but
I hear everything he said, I hear everything you said.
I think he's an incredible player. I think he has
one of the greatest starts to an NBA career, without
a doubt. Here's the issue. Not a single time that
we ever thought him as the best player ever. There
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are always five to eight guys that you take over him.
If I said Giannis, you'd say yes. If I said Luca,
you'd say yes. If I said jo Kids, you said yes.
If I said a healthy inbid, you say you know
what I mean? You can go down the lit SGA
and you can't. To me, therein lies the problem, and
at times the questions, rightfully so or not, people have
questioned did he shrink? And there are times when another
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player in your team has been the best player Jalen Brown.
So you can't have those things and then turn around
and say that because when the persons you named were
doing it, you know, those few years where it might
have been Steph Curry, Well, we knew he was the
best player of the team. He was an MVP two
years in a row, Lebron. We know for a decade
plus Kobe Bryant. We never have said Jason Tany is
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the best player. We said he's one of We say, oh, man,
top twenty guys under twenty five, who give me who
you got? He was in that list, And I think
that's a big problem or big challenge for him.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
Yeah, it is. And I would also feel like, you know,
people were like criticizing him by saying, you know, he
didn't win finals MVP. You know, last year he didn't
win a championship, and Larry Bird didn't win finals MVP
his first championship. I mean, already knew he was a
guy and the leader of that team, but he didn't win.
That was into centers Macfwill. I mean, Kobe, like everybody says,
you know, he ran it twenty tens and that was
his decade and everything. But Shaq won those finals MVP
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of those championships. Now people kind of glossed over Shack
now and say all those Kobe's titles, But we know
what was happening during that time, And so I think
that for a guy to be twenty six years old
to have done what he's done through his first seven
and a half years of his league is really impressive, Like, like,
there aren't many guys who can say that they've accomlished
he's accomferenced to the first seven and a half seasons
(29:07):
of his career, and so I can see how he's like, hey,
you know, give me my props, Like, you know, because
everybody else that they're mentioning, like it's not like you
mentioned the other guys Lebron, you know, Stephen or whoever else,
but the guys what they're saying should be the face.
He's already he's already surpassed them in terms of accolade,
in terms of winning, in terms of success, and he's
also in the same age. Like people are saying Shays Alexander,
(29:30):
like he may be the MVP of the League this year,
but he has only won one playoff series entire career,
and he's three months younger than Jason Tatum. But you know,
people are saying he's a guy, but now Tatum is
already he's three months older than Jay. But look at
what he's already done, you know, John Morant, because we
hope that he can eventually merge that guy. He's only
a year older than Joe. Like, so all these guys
(29:51):
that we keep trying to push out and say, oh,
let's go. You know, Anthony Edwards is he's three years
older than him, a four.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Year before Anthony ed premature that last year.
Speaker 9 (29:59):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
But what I'm saying every name you throw out there,
that I'm saying everybody that is being thrown out there
is the future is a possibility in the future. It's like, okay, well,
well I'm right here.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
But you know what I think.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I think and and even if he wants to embrace it,
I still think he's more Tim Duncan than any I
really do, Michael not.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Which is a compliment in the sense of, dude, you
have an amazing career.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Nothing wrong with that on that, not at all. I
think it's all yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
If you wanted the top ten, you know, eleven, twelve,
depending where you want, eight to twelve players of all time,
you know what he should do.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
He should get signature sandals and then Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Will be popular. I think, Okay, deal with Ross.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
That is that Jordan Brand shoe. He's got the Gatorade commercial.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
No, no, Mike, you gotta do something different. He's got different.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, like like his shoe. Is it a good shoe?
I don't even I couldn't even tell you. I couldn't
even tell what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I'm serious, Mike, And you know I love I'm into
the sneakers.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
You're you're definitely a sneak.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah. I literally don't know the tator you know what?
You know? Today I got on it.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
He's got on the Travis Scott's he flexing a little
bit today, Michael. I told him i'mna have to be
security walking into the car. Yes, all right, yeah, you
know all. Hey, Michael Man, we appreciate it. Great work
as always, you know that.
Speaker 8 (31:17):
Hey, thanks, thanks thanks for having me, honest anytime.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
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Speaker 2 (32:23):
It is signed for Shekel City. All right.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Not a good night at all. Went zero for three,
so I'm now fifty three and fifty six.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, that was a bad night.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Had a couple of them, but the points buds didn't
work out, just like one on the loss.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
It was ten, that was ten and a half. I
was by ten. Yeah, what yah? That happens?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Mick Shawn said last night took an al but to dine,
I bounce back. You're gonna bounce back tonight.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I'm taking the Denver Nuggets plus one and a half
to snap the Pistons eight game winning streets.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
There you go, all right, two for one, you can
be two.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
You can be two and one, all right, and land
up plus eleven and a half taking on OKC.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
That's in eleven and a half on the road, on
the road. Come on Hawks. Dang my goodness, how many
Wilkins is not walking through that door?
Speaker 4 (33:07):
And I know it's eleven nothing, But I took the
Cavaliers plus one and a half at Boston.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Literally like three minutes into the game. So yeah, you
have plenty of time.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
So again, Cavaliers plus one and a half, Hawks plus
eleven and a half and the Nuggets plus one and
a half. So all underdogs at night on a Friday
night to get this thing turned around. And remember, Calvin,
what's that I'm not telling you who to bet on,
I'm telling you who I bet on.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Oh man, we've been talking this, you know, Jason Tatum
facing the league conversation and then yesterday, uh.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Well we'll get to that. Actually, next Star. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
we'll talk that coming out.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
But I just said that because Lebron tweeted out a
response in real time to stephen A in the The
Countdown crew having a conversation, So we got to get
to that here in just a little bit. But Sador Sanders,
we've been talking about him as a combine is happening.
He literally had it on one of our TV's in
here watching it right now. He has had something to
say that he is built for this and a lot
(34:08):
of people questioning can he be the guy to resurrect
and franchise. Well, here's what he had to say about it.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
We went from Jackson State to Colorado and change two
programs back to back.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
So you don't think I could come to NFL franchise
and change the program again.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
It's history. We've done it again. It's so he's gonna
repeat itself.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I like it because what is he supposed to say?
You know, I can call humility.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I don't have to.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
You don't have to say I can't do it. You
don't have to say I'm gonna do it. You could
say I take on the opportunity to go out there
and do my best that's all I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't mind a little. I don't mind ability.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I understand it, but I don't mind somebody having a
little little put Hey, that's what I'm about to do.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
This is what I'm about to do.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
To his point, this is literally what he has done
for his career, you know, thus far in his career.
So he's feeling like this is what I can do again,
and I don't. I don't mind it because gain we
talked about this, and it's if you have been scouting
him and watching him and you saw what you saw,
you didn't need him in the combine. You know, I
liked what I saw on the tape or you didn't,
or I liked what you know. I met him, I
(35:13):
interviewed him, and I think when you sit down with him,
you go over a game playing what your franchise ideas are,
what you think think you would come away saying, man,
I like this kid.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
But him talking a little and a little spicy. I
like it. I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I mean, I also understand if people say that's not
what I want.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I'm you know what I mean, I do.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
There are people who come in I know, and I'm
gonna just talk from my experience of a newspaper columnist
who walked into an office and said, Uh, if you
don't hire me, it'll be the worst mistake you ever
made in your journalism career.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
That do you think he got the job? That's no,
I'm asking you. But that's different though.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Right he's a Heisman Trophy winner and a team that
has seems have to have quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I agree that it might. I'm do agreed. I'm just
staking rough somebody run with this tact.
Speaker 9 (36:02):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
I'm not saying that you can't be confident talk about it.
If he would have said something that would have been
just a little bit better to say, like, hey, uh
you know like this is uh my resume. Please look
at my resume. And I've been able to go to
places and and you know this way of saying it.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
But here's the thing says a little thing. I agree that.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I'm not saying that he should be passive and act
like he's not a good player.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
We already know that he's in that conversation to be
drafted high. So there's not you're not selling yourself on that.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I get that, but if the question is you're gonna
go to a bad team because you're drafted high, that's
you know, do you have what it takes or can
you be a part of, you know, restructuring rebuilding something.
I like reconstructing, and I like that because here's the thing.
We can't have it both ways. Where if he rot
Russell Wilson, Tom Brady does, when Tom pre pre Tampa
(36:57):
Bay forward Tom Well g Goti shucks.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I just hopes I you know, I really just hoping
that that, like we don't.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
We don't want to hear that, we can't be like
I don't want to hear that, and then but get
at it.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
But the other issue, though is you know how many
quarterbacks have gone to bad teams with the whole notion
that they're gonna change it? Like the odds are against him.
Like that's what I'm saying. No, I don't disagree. Odds
are against him. Sam Darnold can't miss, Trevor Lawrence can't
I could go on and on and on of all
these guys who are great in college.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
So the odds are that he won't. So what's the
point doesn't matter?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
If that there's a way of doing it. Because it's
not a slam dunk that because you're a top pick
and you go to a bad franchise, you're gonna turn
it around. I'm just saying it could rub some people
the wrong way, and with you, I do it's part.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I agree, that's all, and that somebody could say I'd
rather not.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
There's a GM who might go. There's another GM who's
gonna go. Man, I love it. That's the kind of
guy I need. Let's go. And you know who else
needs some right now? The calf they might need Lebron
who we're getting ready to talk about. It's like twenty
sixty three.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
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What's that sweetie beaty? All right coming?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Up on the program Michael Lee from the Washington Post.
He'll be joining us in about twenty seven minutes. Also
a little Shekel City then go too well, Will Blackman,
Will Blackman, the former twelve year NFL veteran, right, he
joined us an hour number two and we did.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
The show together, did you yeah? Weekend joint okay?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And a last call of course an hour number three
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Speaker 2 (02:12):
First, let me welcome in my partner.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
He is Calvin was happy Friday. Uh police Verness? Did
I say it right? Robbie?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I thought it was police. We're not starting Friday with hate, Mary, Okay,
it's true, starting with love. It's true. She's right, though.
Robbie was like, I don't know either.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Rober he speaks Spanish, probably more than Robber. I keep
forgetting Robgi is black. So I just got to roll
with that Timberland shirt on. Roger got a Timberland shirt?
How getting no black?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Have you got Timberla He ain't got no timberlinges.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
He does Timberlan sneakers.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
He's more New York than you right now I ain't
got no tyms on. But today somebody, hey, tread lightly,
get to that car quickly?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Boy Like I was like, you know what, my business
partner and the guys at the shop brought the sixtieth birthday.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Oh nicely, he's like my favorite days. But good man,
physical it's Friday.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Man, you know, took a little energy shot, got my
little I don't even know what it is. I'm sipping
on right now, not like that sipping That sounded crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So you went to U Miami and took off for
a couple of weeks. Oh I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
See, you know he'd be listening. I keep telling you
that he keeps tabs. You saw what you you know,
what happened with your boy another show? You know he's
posting stuff. You know he'd be listening. Man, he'd be listening.
And that's why I'll be trying to rob you. Don't
I try to tell him. Athletes be listening.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
No, they don't. They say they don't listen.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
They say they don't get Oh man, I'll be they
stay listening.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
They stay on social media.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Then of course today on first take Gilbert Arena's Jews,
who could donchic.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I'm gonna be real with you. I don't think that
one was like overly original.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I'm claiming that he stole it from me. But I'm
a riding that's all you got to do. Ride with you,
all right?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
But like I thought my Micha was off, I don't
thank you, all right, but yeah, no, he stole it, man,
give it back to That's right, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Ooops, why you gotta do that? He's supposed to be my.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Partner, right, you're right, we're gonna be together six months
or six years.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
That's by which one are you trying? That's your boys.
I'm a little frisky on this Friday, all right.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
All right, well love, let's welcome in the odd couple
of crew. We wouldn't be able to do this fine
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I know. Steve de Seger's at the anchor desk.
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He'll keep us updated throughout the program. And of course
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Speaker 2 (04:56):
It's none other than huh.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
She got the thumbs down from Roger though, yes, all right,
let's get started. We got NBA on this Friday night.
Uh the big matchup, right, Yeah, the Calves and the
Celtics in the East and all that.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Rob g Uh set us up here.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
About Jason Tatum, who of course is a star in
the NBA. Won and UH won the NBA Championship a
year ago, finally got some of the UH got the
monkey off his back because you know, they were really good,
won a lot of games and all that, but people
still just said that they didn't trust him particularly, and
that they didn't believe in the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
But Rob guh framed this force sure, so of course
they're that framed this frame.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
I'll try to frame it a picture suitable for framing.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
There you go. That is my all time favorite.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Do you remember the old days when he used to
have those things and they would be like, yes, and
you will get your picture suitable for framing.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
So tonight's game, of course, the heavyweight matchup Calves against
the Celtics, top teams in the East, two most likely
teams to represent the eatern Conference in the NBA Finals.
And it's kind of fitting that Lebron James when viral
last night. We'll get to him later in the show
for suggesting that nobody wants to be the face of
the NBA because of all the ridicule that comes along
(06:22):
with it.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, one guy who.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Has made it abundantly clear, I would love to be
the face of the NBA, but nobody kinda wants me
to be.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
That's Jason Tatum.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Spoke to Michael Lee join us here in about twenty
five minutes in the Washington Post, and Lee asked him
if he feels like he is appreciated in NBA circles.
Here's what Tatum said, quote, honestly, no. If you took
the name and face away from all my accomplishments and
you're just like, hey, this is what player a accomplished
at age twenty six, people will talk about me a
(06:53):
lot differently. And to put in context, here's some of
the accomplishments that Jason Tatum has an NBA career. It's
been in the Eastern Conference Finals five times, been in
the NBA Finals twice, been in an NBA champion last year,
became just the sixth player in NBA history to win
a title and lead his team in points, rebounds, and assists.
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He's also once the season is over, we'll have four
first team All NBA nods. That is just as many
as all time greats like Derk Novitsky, Chris Paul, Kevin Garnett,
David Robinson, Moses Malone, Steph Curry, and one more than
guys like Allen Iverson, Scottie Pippen, Steve Nash, Isaiah Thomas,
(07:37):
Bill Russell. Why is Jason Tatum not in the conversation
to be the face of the league.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And it's not because he's like skinned, let's take that
off the tape. We were thinking that, yes, let's take
that off the tape. You know, for a couple of years.
I don't know, But it ain't that because people always say, oh,
you know, he's light skinned. You know, light skinned guys
are played out. But that's just another story.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
But in this case, like you're taking a shot at
whoever self stole your girl, Like years.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
No, I'm good, ain't nobody still he's saying send somewhere
right now, you're getting shot at.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Right now by Yeah, he's probably listening it in prison.
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, I don't know, but I'm going to drugs that
light skin apartment. Yeah, I'll be sure looking on.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah that guy with the ice hair, Yeah that's him.
He did it. Uh No.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
The point is, the point is real simple. I don't
think he has like a personality to go with it.
And that's that's what it comes down to. It's not
always just numbers. It's not I know, I know people
want to say that it's the same thing. Can I
say this to you seriously, and I'm dead serious. There
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are a ton of good looking people who could be
on the news reading the news right that look better
than you, that look better than the females that we
see on the news, but they don't have that moxie.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
They don't have.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And that's not saying that you're not good looking or anything,
you know what I'm saying. But I'm saying it's more
than just a look. It's it's the whole package and
a personality comes with it.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Do you have a little edge to you? You know
what I mean? Or can the dialogue you have with writer?
Do you? Can you explain the game to me? Can you?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
When I remember seriously being in a scrum and listening
to Michael Jordan or Charles Balking, some of these guys
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I wasn't surprised that these are the guys who.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Moved the needle because they when I was talking to
him as a reporter, they were interesting to me. I'm
not gonna say a name, but I'll tell you this
for real, I'm not gonna say a name, but there
was an NFL Hall of Fame who was a Hall
of Famer first ballot all that, and.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
That I would try to talk to nothing zero zero.
I'm not gonna say that zero.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I'm not gonna Okay, you know I worked in New York, Detroit.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Okay, I've doing that a lot. Well, my point is
why you do that's my favorite stop that. That's not
who I'm talking about stopping. But my point is it.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Ain't just about the Okay, and that's that's all I'm
gonna say.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
We've been doing this show now for I don't five
six months or something something like that, since September something. Yeah,
so about six months almost, and I've never agreed with
you more. And you know what's funny, deep down, guess
who else agrees with us? Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum knows it.
Jason Tatum hobby has an agent, probably has a homeboy
(10:40):
cousin or his mom who's kind of putting them up
to this. Jason Tatum doesn't even strike me as somebody
who overly wants it. Now, let's break a few things down,
if I may. Everyone isn't supposed to be a superstar.
The first thing you said unintentionally was rob g Let's
set it up, Jason Tatum, you know star.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You didn't say superstar.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
It's everybody isn't supposed to be a superstar. He's also,
you know what else, he's not original. He's not original
in that there's the whole meme of when they won
the championship and he quoted every quotable somebody has had
at a successful moment. He quoted Kevin Garnett, he quoted
Steph Curry, he quoted Kanye West. And there's a little
(11:25):
bit of robot to him. He's kind of robotic, and
that's okay because he's a dang good player who's gonna
go down as one of the best that you know,
one of the greats, and they'll have a heck of
a career.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Everybody doesn't have to be a superstar.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
What I'm starting to see is a Tim Duncan like
career where you're surrounded by other good guys and some
years you're the best player. Some years, or at least
some seasons or times of the season, it might be
Jalen Brown, just like Tim Duncan was surrounded by Tony Parker.
The Genobli sometimes are the best. Then all three of
them were surpassed by Kawhi towards the end. But Duncan
(12:01):
had an amazing career. Duncan had all the accolades, and
that's where he may be going. But Duncan, as you know,
was never necessarily a face of the league or superstar.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
He never said anything, never said anything. You never really
got any nothing controversial. And he wore sandals, so it
just didn't work.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
He wore the ross outfits that you didn't find because
you find some good ones, I give you that. He
wore the other stuff and ross, and he just didn't
have that. He wasn't a magnet. He wasn't magnetizing. Nora
is Jason Tatum and that's okay.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And what's crazy is when you think about Tim Duncan,
he's a missed free throw away from by Kawhi Leonard.
Who if he made that three a free throw they
would have been up by four and Ray Allen wouldn't
have been able to beat him.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Remember, he missed a free throw right before.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Right, he's a He's a free throw away from being
six and oer like Michael Jordan. Just think of that,
and nobody even remotely equates the two, which is what
one free throw. Think about that. That's incredible some people.
That's why some people have him ahead of a lot
of the greats. They say he's top five or six.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
They have him head of Kobe because they're like, dude,
what he did over that span, even winning at the
end of his career was remarkable. So I said them
out to say, Jason Tatum is a very very good player.
In my last and final point, you've never been the
best player in the league. There were moments where Steph
Curry you could argue, I think we all knew Lebron
was the best player, but some could say it with Steph,
(13:30):
there's Lebron. We know Luca you can say, we know
he's been the best of a couple of years ago. Kobe,
not one point in time have you ever said Jason
Tatum was the best player in the league, because you
know what we did I ran through this with Rob
G yesterday and I named about eight or nine players
would you take over Tatum?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And he said eight of the nine or not eight
or nine? For nine? Am I lion? Rob G? He
named all of them.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I said, would you take Luca yes, Jokic yes, Giannis yes?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Who else? Sga? Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I named like seven play players that you would take
over Tatum. And you can't be the face when you're
that far down. So his career has been great thus far,
amazing accolades, probably one of the best six to seven
years start to a career period, as rob Z laid out.
But everybody in a superstar and that's okay, all right?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
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Why?
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not talking about Jason Tatum feels like, hey, why am
I not in consideration for the facing the league?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
He's got great accolades first six seven years of his career,
including a championship. Well, we both agree, doesn't have the
personality for it. And on my other point, Rob was
that everybody doesn't have to be a superstar, and that's okay.
Eight seven seven ninety nine On Fox, you say, let's
do it. Rick and Tucson. You're on the odd couple.
Fox Sports Radio. What's up break.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
We'll enjoy your program, Jenn, Thank you ver much.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
Here.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
I'm here in the Southwest and I go back and
forth to Texas and then to Detroit. You don't hear
a lot about the Boston Celtics the way you hear
about the Lakers, the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
And the NBA is not trying to.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Market to the sports fan to get sports fans know
who Jason Dataman, great player, never discount his abilities on
the court. But they're trying to reach the people that
don't understand sports or so the personalities like the Lebron
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James and the Stephen Currys and or go back to
the days of the old Piston days and the Rodmans
and all those things. Those personalities touch outside of the
sports world, and that's where the NBA is trying to
reach and expand its audience. And I don't think against
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Jason datum per see. And the other thing about Boston
is people have always sort of thought of Boston is
sort of like the blue collar community.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, I agree, And when you look at Boston compared
to La Thanks.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
For the call to Rick.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Uh that you know we are We do know that,
and and that does play into it. We're just Los
Angeles and just the star studded and the history and
the Celtics are just a little different. Uh, They're an
acquired taste. If you're from New England, from Connecticut, you're
all about the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I don't know if everybody the rest of the country.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
For them to be such a historic franchise, you would
think they would more.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I don't think they are so Jabbari in Michigan, you're
in the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
What's up, Jabari?
Speaker 9 (17:49):
What's up? Folks are doing? Happy Friday?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Happy Friday. Great to hear from you.
Speaker 9 (17:54):
Last History month, I know.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
The shortest month I might right the way they're trying
to do it, this might be it.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
Yeah, well, you know, you know d I A is
the kids kind of did so you know they might
not have celebrating like History Mafe, but you know it
is no but yeah, you know, and that's this is
an interesting topic because I was ill thought, y'all, will
the publicist early play, you know, But I'm gonna be real.
I think that the reason why Jasey Tatum's note in
the conversation, I think it mostly had to do the
(18:23):
fact he played for the Boston Celtics. I think if
he was a he was a New York Nick or
l a Laker, I think that he would have gave
more praise. He would have been He would definitely be
in a conversation, probably be the faith because you look
at his resume, right, you look at his resume and
especially at the age of even at the age of
he is at twenty six.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And Jabari, we're not going to argue with you about
that as Celtic thing.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I think you if he was a Nick, I absolutely
believe would be big on a big stage. Of Jeremy
Lynn was massive for about a month and he was
not even a remote player compared to Jason.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And then six weeks later.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
I went to uh the sporting goods store and all
this stuff was on set for seventy I know, but that.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Must exactly that.
Speaker 9 (19:04):
That's that's that's my point. I think that I think
so we we all know Rob g will be will
be going, but dark over Jackson Champman, he was a Laker.
We all know.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh you already know that, right, I'm surprised.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
He's never I mean, they probably would have said that
he like he is the conversation for great as the
Laker of all time, that was the case, but I know,
but out of the bad but I was, But I
would say I would say that. I think it also
has to do with the fact that there's a sense
of man if another Celtic would becomes a dynasty, partend
to become a dynasty, there's like, dang, do we really
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got to talk about this guy guy.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
That.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, I don't think that one as much appreciate your body.
I think it's more of the Boston than than I think. Yeah,
if they're winning the Boston.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Thing out there, Kyle in Virginia Beach, you're on the
odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
What's up, Kyle?
Speaker 10 (19:54):
How you doing fellas Great?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
How are you.
Speaker 10 (19:58):
Well? My Tike comes from a different side. It comes
from marketing. So the base of the league has been
pretty much a Nike athlete. Thinking about Michael Jordan's you know,
he was a Nike athlete until he got his own brand.
And then Lebron witnessed greatness. I'm thirty. Witness greatness was
the thing we saw for years it was lebron okay.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
And Steph was wearing noseous shoes, So how did he
squeeze in? I can't even argue.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Okay, seriously, he had Eric You remember those el white
noseous shoes.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That he had his first sneaker. He had the Hall
Monitor one.
Speaker 10 (20:29):
Yeah, sure, and he should have been a Nike athlete
but it didn't work out. But you look at Sabrini
and Escu. You know she went to ogon ducks. She
had him shoe in the w n B A these
dudes in the NBA that wear her shoes.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
K Kobe was with Adidas for years too. I don't,
I don't know. I Nike is a bohemith I agree
with you on that, but.
Speaker 10 (20:49):
I just think he got to the Nike it became
oh shut cancel Christmas, like they're the shoes everybody wears.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I don't, no, no, no, I don't disagree that Nike
is a massive bohemoth and Americans, but I just don't
think Steph Curry was literally wearing Hall Monitors.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
He was wearing security dobody. Everybody overlooked it, you know
what I mean? They did? So yeah, I don't I
think there's more to it than that.
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It is the odd couple, Rob and Kelvin and we're
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Right now, we are joined by Michael Lee, Washington Post Sports,
mon Times, Border.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
In the Business. I had to interrupt you guys.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
No facts FA's facts on facts right there, mister Michael
Lee on axent part of the the actually the reason
we were having this conversation writing about Jason Tatum and
Jason Tatum for the most part of paraphraser here Michael saying, Hey,
what about me? Look at my accolades, look at the
first six seven years of my career. Why aren't you
talking about me? Whiring are a bigger deal? Uh?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Tell us more?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Michael, just kind of the emphasis, the the impetus of
this piece and your takeaways.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Yeah, I mean one thing, we just wanted to talk
to him just about, you know, the whole face of
the NBA thing and just how we keep we keep
bringing up names of players who you know, next in line,
from Anthony Edwards to John Morant to h Shaye j
Alexander and all these guys, and you're naming all these guys,
but then Tatum is either not mentioned or he's glossed over,
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And I'm like, he's really the same age as these guys,
but he's much more accomplished. And so I'm always wondering,
like how he felt, because it seems like he's done
everything that's asked of him. He's he's been a part
of a winning organization. The team has never really looked
bad with him in the organization. He's already won a championship.
But it seems like he's always getting slighted, and so
(22:57):
I just want to not like if it ever was
something that he felt or it's something that you know,
bothered him, and uh, and he sort of you know
explained that, you know, he had his mind on bigger
things than just being a part of a debate, but
he did express a little frustration that you know that
when people are discussing, you know, who should be next?
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Like why isn't why is talking about me?
Speaker 10 (23:19):
Like?
Speaker 8 (23:19):
And I was looking at thinking about it. I was like,
you know what, the resume says a lot, you know,
so might kind of we're win.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Let me ask you this, Mike. You know, I've been
covering the NBA since nineteen eighty seven. I don't know
if you knew that, Mike, We all knew it. Mike
knew that, yes, But Mike, how long have you been
covering the association.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
Since two thousand and two?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Okay, for a long time, almost twenty five years? Okay.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
And I'm not the resume is all that. That's not
that's not all you need. And you know, you know,
because you're out there in the trenches talking to people
and whatnot. I don't think he mesmerizes anybody. I don't
think he uh makes people like stand up and listen.
I just I'm not I don't know if he has
the personality for you. You've talked to him way more and
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all that, and I think that there's more to it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
That's a part of it.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
You know what I mean Mike, but but there's other
stuff that goes with it. And I just think he's
a nice guy. He's a great player, But I don't
know if he moves the needle when he says anything.
Is that fair or unfair?
Speaker 8 (24:23):
That's fair because it's your opinion, right, and this is
what what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You're out there to it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
But superstar usually consists of something like that. That's the
thing that makes you original, well, I mean.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
The thing about thinking about facing the league typically something
that makes you super special, unique, that makes you like
either you're an explosive athlete who can jump out of
the gym. You got like Steph Curry, you're this amazing
three point shooter. Like you, there's something about your game
is dynamic that no one else can do that can't
be duplicated. It makes you really unique and special. And
that's typically what we're used to seeing when we talk
about somebody being in that position of being that guy.
(24:57):
And obviously you know, you know he's not that type
of player or he doesn't have that type of personality.
But I also feel like we also are in an era,
like I call it the post social media area right
now where everybody. We see them so much that we
really got a chance to really break down their games
and whittle away at them to the point but there's
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nothing left to appreciate. But I think that in a
lot of ways, there is something there, and if he
continues to win championships, that's how you become to face
the league. Like Step didn't become in the conversation until
he won his first couple of championships, Lebron was already emerging,
but he didn't become the guy until he won championships.
And I put a plural on that because you got
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to win multiple you can't just win one to be
in that conversation. But if the Boston self just continue
on this course that they've been on since he's end
of the league and he's constantly playing in June, you're
gonna keep talking about him, and you're gonna maybe get
annoyed with him or frustrated with him, and maybe you
treat them by Tim Duncan and just brush them aside
and say we need somebody that one of that makes
like Kobe to sort of embraced during that time. But
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I think the one thing about Tatum that's different than
saying Tim Duncan is that he actually wants that. Like
he's in the commercials, he actually enjoys the limelight a
little bit a lot more than say that Tim Duncan would.
So I think he's he's willing to embrace it if
it's given to him, but he also realizes that if
it's not. Because I mean, I asked him, I said,
I asked him at the end of our conversation. I
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was like, do you want to be that guy? Do
you want to be the face of the league? And
he said, I want whatever is mine. I want whatever
it's supposed to be for me. Whatever it is is
for me, I will take it. And that's sort of
the way he sort of feels like he doesn't want
to get caught up in what other people are talking about.
He wants to be undeniable in a sense. My resume
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speaks out. My championships speak for themselves, My first team,
all NBA speaks for itself. All gold medals speak for themselves.
When you look at my resume, and you'll be able
to say whatever you want to say about me. But
if you want to enter me in a debate, fine,
but I'm not trying to be defined by debate. I'm
trying to be defined by winning. So far he's doing that.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
He's doing that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
We're joined by Michael Lee again, who wrote this articles
column on Jason Tatum and for the Washington Post Sports
Enterprise Reporter. There let me ask you this, though, but
I hear everything he said, I hear everything you said.
I think he's an incredible player. I think he has
one of the greatest starts to an NBA career, without
a doubt. Here's the issue. Not a single time that
we ever thought him as the best player ever. There
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are always five to eight guys that you take over him.
If I said Giannis, you'd say yes. If I said Luca,
you'd say yes. If I said jo Kids, you said yes.
If I said a healthy inbid, you say you know
what I mean? You can go down the lit SGA
and you can't. To me, therein lies the problem, and
at times the questions, rightfully so or not, people have
questioned did he shrink? And there are times when another
(27:50):
player in your team has been the best player Jalen Brown.
So you can't have those things and then turn around
and say that because when the persons you named were
doing it, you know, those few years where it might
have been Steph Curry, Well, we knew he was the
best player of the team. He was an MVP two
years in a row, Lebron. We know for a decade
plus Kobe Bryant. We never have said Jason Tany is
(28:11):
the best player. We said he's one of We say, oh, man,
top twenty guys under twenty five, who give me who
you got? He was in that list, And I think
that's a big problem or big challenge for him.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
Yeah, it is. And I would also feel like, you know,
people were like criticizing him by saying, you know, he
didn't win finals MVP. You know, last year he didn't
win a championship, and Larry Bird didn't win finals MVP
his first championship. I mean, already knew he was a
guy and the leader of that team, but he didn't win.
That was into centers Macfwill. I mean, Kobe, like everybody says,
you know, he ran it twenty tens and that was
his decade and everything. But Shaq won those finals MVP
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of those championships. Now people kind of glossed over Shack
now and say all those Kobe's titles, But we know
what was happening during that time, And so I think
that for a guy to be twenty six years old
to have done what he's done through his first seven
and a half years of his league is really impressive, Like, like,
there aren't many guys who can say that they've accomlished
he's accomferenced to the first seven and a half seasons
(29:07):
of his career, and so I can see how he's like, hey,
you know, give me my props, Like, you know, because
everybody else that they're mentioning, like it's not like you
mentioned the other guys Lebron, you know, Stephen or whoever else,
but the guys what they're saying should be the face.
He's already he's already surpassed them in terms of accolade,
in terms of winning, in terms of success, and he's
also in the same age. Like people are saying Shays Alexander,
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like he may be the MVP of the League this year,
but he has only won one playoff series entire career,
and he's three months younger than Jason Tatum. But you know,
people are saying he's a guy, but now Tatum is
already he's three months older than Jay. But look at
what he's already done, you know, John Morant, because we
hope that he can eventually merge that guy. He's only
a year older than Joe. Like, so all these guys
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that we keep trying to push out and say, oh,
let's go. You know, Anthony Edwards is he's three years
older than him, a four.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Year before Anthony ed premature that last year.
Speaker 9 (29:59):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
But what I'm saying every name you throw out there,
that I'm saying everybody that is being thrown out there
is the future is a possibility in the future. It's like, okay, well,
well I'm right here.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
But you know what I think.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I think and and even if he wants to embrace it,
I still think he's more Tim Duncan than any I
really do, Michael not.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Which is a compliment in the sense of, dude, you
have an amazing career.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Nothing wrong with that on that, not at all. I
think it's all yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
If you wanted the top ten, you know, eleven, twelve,
depending where you want, eight to twelve players of all time,
you know what he should do.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
He should get signature sandals and then Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Will be popular. I think, Okay, deal with Ross.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
That is that Jordan Brand shoe. He's got the Gatorade commercial.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
No, no, Mike, you gotta do something different. He's got different.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, like like his shoe. Is it a good shoe?
I don't even I couldn't even tell you. I couldn't
even tell what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I'm serious, Mike, And you know I love I'm into
the sneakers.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
You're you're definitely a sneak.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah. I literally don't know the tator you know what?
You know? Today I got on it.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
He's got on the Travis Scott's he flexing a little
bit today, Michael. I told him i'mna have to be
security walking into the car. Yes, all right, yeah, you
know all. Hey, Michael Man, we appreciate it. Great work
as always, you know that.
Speaker 8 (31:17):
Hey, thanks, thanks thanks for having me, honest anytime.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
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were for five hundred yesterday?
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Speaker 2 (32:23):
It is signed for Shekel City. All right.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Not a good night at all. Went zero for three,
so I'm now fifty three and fifty six.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, that was a bad night.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Had a couple of them, but the points buds didn't
work out, just like one on the loss.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
It was ten, that was ten and a half. I
was by ten. Yeah, what yah? That happens?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Mick Shawn said last night took an al but to dine,
I bounce back. You're gonna bounce back tonight.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I'm taking the Denver Nuggets plus one and a half
to snap the Pistons eight game winning streets.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
There you go, all right, two for one, you can
be two.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
You can be two and one, all right, and land
up plus eleven and a half taking on OKC.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
That's in eleven and a half on the road, on
the road. Come on Hawks. Dang my goodness, how many
Wilkins is not walking through that door?
Speaker 4 (33:07):
And I know it's eleven nothing, But I took the
Cavaliers plus one and a half at Boston.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Literally like three minutes into the game. So yeah, you
have plenty of time.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
So again, Cavaliers plus one and a half, Hawks plus
eleven and a half and the Nuggets plus one and
a half. So all underdogs at night on a Friday
night to get this thing turned around. And remember, Calvin,
what's that I'm not telling you who to bet on,
I'm telling you who I bet on.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Oh man, we've been talking this, you know, Jason Tatum
facing the league conversation and then yesterday, uh.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Well we'll get to that. Actually, next Star. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
we'll talk that coming out.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
But I just said that because Lebron tweeted out a
response in real time to stephen A in the The
Countdown crew having a conversation, So we got to get
to that here in just a little bit. But Sador Sanders,
we've been talking about him as a combine is happening.
He literally had it on one of our TV's in
here watching it right now. He has had something to
say that he is built for this and a lot
(34:08):
of people questioning can he be the guy to resurrect
and franchise. Well, here's what he had to say about it.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
We went from Jackson State to Colorado and change two
programs back to back.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
So you don't think I could come to NFL franchise
and change the program again.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
It's history. We've done it again. It's so he's gonna
repeat itself.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I like it because what is he supposed to say?
You know, I can call humility.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I don't have to.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
You don't have to say I can't do it. You
don't have to say I'm gonna do it. You could
say I take on the opportunity to go out there
and do my best that's all I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't mind a little. I don't mind ability.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I understand it, but I don't mind somebody having a
little little put Hey, that's what I'm about to do.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
This is what I'm about to do.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
To his point, this is literally what he has done
for his career, you know, thus far in his career.
So he's feeling like this is what I can do again,
and I don't. I don't mind it because gain we
talked about this, and it's if you have been scouting
him and watching him and you saw what you saw,
you didn't need him in the combine. You know, I
liked what I saw on the tape or you didn't,
or I liked what you know. I met him, I
(35:13):
interviewed him, and I think when you sit down with him,
you go over a game playing what your franchise ideas are,
what you think think you would come away saying, man,
I like this kid.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
But him talking a little and a little spicy. I
like it. I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I mean, I also understand if people say that's not
what I want.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I'm you know what I mean, I do.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
There are people who come in I know, and I'm
gonna just talk from my experience of a newspaper columnist
who walked into an office and said, Uh, if you
don't hire me, it'll be the worst mistake you ever
made in your journalism career.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
That do you think he got the job? That's no,
I'm asking you. But that's different though.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Right he's a Heisman Trophy winner and a team that
has seems have to have quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I agree that it might. I'm do agreed. I'm just
staking rough somebody run with this tact.
Speaker 9 (36:02):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
I'm not saying that you can't be confident talk about it.
If he would have said something that would have been
just a little bit better to say, like, hey, uh
you know like this is uh my resume. Please look
at my resume. And I've been able to go to
places and and you know this way of saying it.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
But here's the thing says a little thing. I agree that.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I'm not saying that he should be passive and act
like he's not a good player.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
We already know that he's in that conversation to be
drafted high. So there's not you're not selling yourself on that.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I get that, but if the question is you're gonna
go to a bad team because you're drafted high, that's
you know, do you have what it takes or can
you be a part of, you know, restructuring rebuilding something.
I like reconstructing, and I like that because here's the thing.
We can't have it both ways. Where if he rot
Russell Wilson, Tom Brady does, when Tom pre pre Tampa
(36:57):
Bay forward Tom Well g Goti shucks.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I just hopes I you know, I really just hoping
that that, like we don't.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
We don't want to hear that, we can't be like
I don't want to hear that, and then but get
at it.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
But the other issue, though is you know how many
quarterbacks have gone to bad teams with the whole notion
that they're gonna change it? Like the odds are against him.
Like that's what I'm saying. No, I don't disagree. Odds
are against him. Sam Darnold can't miss, Trevor Lawrence can't
I could go on and on and on of all
these guys who are great in college.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
So the odds are that he won't. So what's the
point doesn't matter?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
If that there's a way of doing it. Because it's
not a slam dunk that because you're a top pick
and you go to a bad franchise, you're gonna turn
it around. I'm just saying it could rub some people
the wrong way, and with you, I do it's part.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I agree, that's all, and that somebody could say I'd
rather not.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
There's a GM who might go. There's another GM who's
gonna go. Man, I love it. That's the kind of
guy I need. Let's go. And you know who else
needs some right now? The calf they might need Lebron
who we're getting ready to talk about. It's like twenty
sixty three.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
My gosh, m
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