March 12, 2025 • 32 mins
Rob and Kelvin use Shaquille O’Neal’s viral screw-up as a backdrop for a conversation about whether sports fans would rather be educated or entertained, debate whether Aaron Rodgers would be better off signing with the Minnesota Vikings or just retiring and argue whether Josh Allen made the right call by taking less than max money in his contract extension with the Buffalo Bills.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Before we.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Get there, let's talk about last night for the National
Game in the NBA, and we had Shaq Shaquille O'Neill
on TNT talking about the Detroit Pistons and not doing
a good job.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Will be interested. You said something very interesting about kay Gunnyham.
Great player now at this day, he plays at his
own pace. Anybody that can consistently play of their own
place and put up numbers, it's a great player. Like
the way he's playing, Like what chulse he is doing.
Those guys play hard. My favorite player on that team
was Isaiah Stewart, big body, hard guy. I like to
knock people.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Out, pushing who's doing it?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
He said Chauncey coach.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Okay, that's what I mean.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
You know, first of all, I don't watch Detroit. How
about that boo boo.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
I don't watch him, but I mean it's sincerely I
think you would enjoy watching the Detroit Pistols.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I don't get played hard.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Katus phenomenal, Jalen Duran's you're kind of big.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Okay, I love Isaiah.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Stewart and the other thing. I don't know who the
female was on this and she's like, well, I couldn't
let that go. I'm glad you didn't let it go.
I mean, the idea that you were going to let
it go because it was Shack and he messed up
or whatever. I mean, come on, and and this is
the idea. And I'll tell you, Shaq knows you played
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in the league. He knows about basketball and all that.
But this is my pushback when when people gravitate to
former players and expecting them to, I guess, do homework,
research and not just show up and be a big personality,
but actually know what's going on. And if you'r TNT,
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you're embarrassed. Shaq can be embarrassed, but T and T
should be embarrassed as well. You know how many producers
they have behind the scenes, right and and everything, And
the idea that Shaq is going to go out on
the set, sit there, they're talking about the Pistons and
he doesn't know who the coach is or that that
Chauncey Billups who's at all time great Pistons helped the
Pistons beat the Lakers in two thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Sorry Rob g And with the final but you get
my point. And and this is one of those things.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
And as a fan, I'm gonna say this and let
you go, what is it that you really want? Do
you want to be educated or entertained? Because if you
just want to be entertained, then he's the But if
you want to be educated, then he's not the guy.
And we talk about this on this radio show all
the time. We our goal is two things and have
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been for the last seven years. Fun and informative. We
just can't have fun here. We gotta give you some information.
We gotta inform you so that you can take that
stuff back to your friends, understand what's going on, and
have those kind of conversations.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I think that's what's made inside the NBA this show
because Kenny the Jet gives you great insight, great you know,
breakdown of the game. Ernie obviously is the maestro giving
you the fats of stacks and getting you in and
out of the highlights. So you get that, but then
Chuck and Shack at some point, I'm gonna tall terrible, fantastic.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
They're gonna have their fight, their little debate.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
They're gonna argue about some SHOT's gonna get pushed into
a Christmas tree. They're gonna outrun, They're gonna make fun
of Kenny's knees. And that's to me, the perfect balance.
So the bigger conversation to me is what we as
consumers of things need to understand now is you have
access to any and everything you want. Gone to the
days where you turn on the TV and it's force
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fed to you, you turn on the radio, it's force
fed to you.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
You have options.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
If you want absolute nothing but pure basketball analysis, you
have more, maybe more options than you've ever had in
the history of the mankind. Now we have a three
million podcasts available. There are podcasts where they bring I mean,
they will break down one play for an hour.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You have that.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
If you want to be entertained, you have that option.
And this is why to me, I was kind of
shocked where Lebron was kind of going at certain people,
and it seemed like it was more geared towards Chuck
and that crew, like you know exactly what that show
has been. They draw donuts coming on Charles barkleyhead. They're
there to make you laugh, They're there to drop a
few facts here and there, but overall be entertained while
you watch the game and enjoy the sport. So you
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have to know what it is. Shaq, ain't who I'm
going for for my great analysis. You know who I
would the woman on that. You were saying, Cannis Parker,
Cannons Parker didn't see you know I'm saying. We were
just saying, who can tis Parker is brilliant And if
you watch that Kennis Parker breaks it down, Shack's now
who you go for for that?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
And that's okay.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Now he better be on shocked in the fool at
the end of this week, whatever the next, he better
Shack better be on shackedon the fool. That's what I know.
But I think I think it's in come more than ever.
You have to do your own like you have the information, now,
you have the resource. You have the websites. We have
websites and blogs and things dedicated to it to finding
all the access and information announces you want.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I think it's disappointing if you're a fan and you're
listening to guys who played and whatnot, and they just
haven't done the work, or they don't don't know what
they're talking about, or the backstory or or anything that's
involved in it. I think that's why you've seen a
million of those players come and go, you know what
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I mean, because they a or they won't they don't
want to criticize other people, or they're in bed with
too many people. I can't talk about that guy. He
went to my college, he was represented by my agent. Yeah,
you know what I mean. And then you're you're trapped.
You're trapped, so you can't really say anything. You can't
really be. The best people on television are people who
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as honest as it comes. You can say whatever you
want about Charles and you don't like this, and he's
bashing whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
He's as honest as it gets.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Tells you exactly what he believes, so to the point
of his own detriment, of his own relationship with Michael Jordan,
his best friend, exactly who you know, he had to
be honest about some stuff, and then Mike took you know,
had hard feelings for it, and they haven't been right since.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Maybe they'll come back around at some point, you hope.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But yeah, and by the way, this is the best
version of Shaq that we've got as far as being
in an you know, analyzing the game and being an analyst.
Because if you recall, if you watch the Inside the
NBA story, like the docu series on it, I was
in that.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
They had to tell Shaq like, hey, man, I know
it's fun. I know you're Shack and it's cute now,
but you gotta pay attention a little bit. You got
you can't come in here and be a DJ for
four hours and just go back.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
He literally with just DJ during the games.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I swear to you on the first his first night
on Yeah, and then they went to a commercial break
and somebody tweeted or something, I swear, turn up shacks,
Mike because he was mumbled up yeah, And that was.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
The first commercial break on it.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Like I was like, wow, somebody's like, turn up shacks, Mike,
And that was how I talk.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And you're right, he's gotten better. I like, wow, we
got shock like numbers. I don't think you putting up
the numbers like that, need to put them up. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
That's what it was, and it was hard to listen to.
Obviously he has knowledge and we know about his career
as a.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Power Shack's not there for that. Tim Legler is great.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
But when you say not there for that, that doesn't
mean you say, Chauncey Billups is the coach of the Pistols.
That's not being there for that. And I get what
you're talking about numbers and break up. That's fine, dude.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
You gotta come.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Especially considered a couple of things. One, Chauncey's a legend
that you should know that. He's not like a random car.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
You know that he beat you in two thousand or
you don't know what Chauncey.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Billups right, And he has turned around the Portland team
to access been a team you gotta really beat because
they were horrible last year and a half.
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Speaker 7 (08:19):
Aaron Rodgers, I don't know if he really as you know,
wittle his choices down so much as the market has
whittled his choices down for him. You know, Seattle got
their quarterback, Raiders got their quarterback. That this goes on
and on and now a courting to multiple reports, Aaron
Rodgers is down to three teams, the New York Giants,
which has been well reported ever since they lost out
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on Matthew Stafford. They want a veteran quarterback, Aaron Rodgers
already in New.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
York, they're trying to save their job.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
It seems like they they need to like not win anything,
but they got to be respectable, like though, the general
manager and the coach am I.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Right, yep, Like it's that bad.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Like if they go and they get somebody and it
doesn't work out and they go three and fourteen again,
they're all out.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, this is it.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
They've been embarrassed multiple times on many fronts.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
And behind door number two, of course, the Pittsburgh Steelers,
Mike tom and Aaron Rodgers have a well chronicled affinity
for one another, and now they got like, man they
do it looks like Russell Wilson is on the outs.
They view him as a backup plan, and they're saying, hey,
we just got DK Metcalf, we got George Pickens. Aaron
Rodgers come to us and last but not leaves. This
was a little bit of a shocker. Caught him to
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a few outlets, the Minnesota Vikings after letting Sam Darnold
test the free agent market and lead at Seattle, presumably
so they could start JJ McCarthy if now said, hey,
you know what, Aaron, if you're interested, we might be
interested and let's see what happens. So right now, Aaron Rodgers,
as we speak, deciding number one if he wants to
play number two.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
If he does, is it the Giants, is it the Steelers?
Is it the Vikings?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
If it's me, you left out a fourth option, and
that fourth option is just call it a career. It's okay.
He will be third forty two. Towards the end of
the season. Tom Brady is becoming the exception where guys
think it's normal to play forty forty five like that.
That's not necessarily normal. That is an absurdity. And he,
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being Aaron Rodgers, already played an amazing career. Right He's
been MVP several times over, He's a couple of Super
Bowl appearances.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
He has a ring. He's we all in wont super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I said he has a ring, said super Bowl appearances,
and we've considered him one of the best and one
of the most talented.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's been underwhelming lately.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And to use Rob's point of you always talk about
Lebron keep playing. It only hurts it his legacy as
far as you know all these years, why could apply
that to Aaron Rodgers Because it has just not been
great for him the last handful of years. He hasn't
been great, been a shell of himself. And that's okay.
He's about to be forty two. So there is a
fourth option available, and I don't even mean this in
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a sarcastic way. You don't have to play. If he
chooses too, he has his right to. But there is
a fourth option, which is to say, hey man, because
he said he wants to win, some of those options
you mentioned don't look like winning options. He's already been
coming off the Achilles and he wasn't horrible last year
if you just looked that touchdowns interception, But if you
look deeper into the numbers, he was bottom in completions.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
He was bottom in QBR.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I just don't necessarily see why he has to keep
doing this, right, the whole drama, where am I gonna go?
What I'm gonna do? We gotta do this every year.
It's our annual thing in the offseason. There is a
fourth option, and that could be forman calling a heck
of a career, an amazing career, first ballot. You're about
to get to yellowjacket in five years. That is an
option Rob that he may want.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
To see him.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
It's not because teams need quarterbacks, and that's what you're not.
It ain't about just Aaron Rodgers. It's about teams needing quarterbacks.
If they had quarterbacks, You're right, Aaron Rodgers wouldn't be
viable for those three teams. There are three teams still
looking for a quarterback. That's why he's That's why his conversation.
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They could have his if there was no spot for him,
it wouldn't even be his own decision. If other teams
at quarterbacks. The idea that a forty one year old
has three options is incredible to me. But that tells
you the lack of quarterbacks viable. And if you're the
Minnesota Vikings, you just say we have this coach, we
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got a great offensive line, we could run the football.
We have one of the best receivers in the game.
Look at what we just did with Sam Donald. We
could protect Aaron Rodgers in that division. We don't want
to give up fourteen win season and what we accomplished
last year.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And JJ McCarthy is still learning.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
And I would make the case in Minnesota, JJ, Aaron
said his first three years and he's going to the
Hall of Fame. Okay, it ain't the end of the
world if you sit here for one year or maybe two.
I'm just saying one year or maybe two and look
at a Hall of Fame quarterback and and watch him
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and see what he does and all this kind of stuff.
So so I think that that's viable. I understand the
Steelers the same thing. Mike Tomlin needs to win a
playoff game. He needs it desperately.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Nine years.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
You heard Shannon Sharp go after Mike Tomlin the other day.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
It's nice.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Oh, he can never lie to lose the season. Enough
with that, enough with that. He needs a playoff.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Win, which is bad, sad because you would think you'd
be saying he needs a Super Bowl. No, no, no,
he needs bad. He just needs a playoff. And that's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
And then again the Giants, once again, the coach, general manager,
their jobs are on the line if they have another
if they have another stinker, right, because they don't have
a quarterback that Daniel Jones, and they go with what's
his name, de Vito what's his uh Tommy?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
If they go with him and they go four and
thirteen or dude, they're both out. So this is about
preservation for coaches and looking at a situation. If I'm Minnesota, seriously,
I'm saying to myself, look at the division. The Lions
are in the flock. They lost their two coordinators. All
this why the Bears are getting better. The Packers are there.
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We got a chance. We won fourteen last year. We
got a chance. We have all the other pieces in place.
And that's what makes If I'm Aaron Rodgers, despite having
you look like you're doing the Brett.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Favor again, that is that's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
But that is a real option for him because the
offensive line is so good because it's not just chase
after the quarterback because they can't run the ball. They
can run the ball and then you have a receiver
who can get open downfield.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I'm telling you why.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Minnesota makes Minnesota makes sense if you're just doing the paper.
Here's the problem with that. I don't believe they're better.
I don't believe he's going to have a better see
in than Sam Donald. And they weren't better than the Lions,
and I don't think they will be better than the Lions.
I don't think they're better one game difference, and I
think it's going to be a step back with Aaron Rodgers.
He is not Sam Donald at this point.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
He's not he's not. He's nowhere near his mobile at
this point in his career. Offensive line, that's the best
part of it.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
That's why Sam Donald was able to get off and
that's why they moved on from him Calvin. But if
it was about Sam Donald what they said, oh my god,
look at.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
What he did, he would be the quarterback. But he
doesn't have to be the quarterback, is JJ McCarthy. That's
the point, JJ McCarthy, No.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
You just gave up a quarterback that won fourteen games
and for who?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
For who? JJ McCarthy. That's the point.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
They gave it up because it's the same guy they
want up the draft, the same guy they believe in.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
This is there. You're not talking to Aaron Rodgers at all?
Why would you talk to Aaron Rodgers? Where did Daniel
Jones just lead to? I need to back up. I
need somebody.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Aaron Rodgers and I can talk to somebody. I can
have a conversation with.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
He's playing.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Why Why do I Why do I want all the
drama that comes with it, all of this. He's not
gonna be a great leader at the back of round.
I'm not trying to get JJ Reddick to be JJ reddick.
I'm not trying to have JJ McCart basketball. I'm not
trying to have JJ McCart to be surrounded with all
this getting bad. This is how we do this. You
got all to do all this, and no, I don't
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want that. I want this to be kid. The keys
are yours. Here you go. You've got everything you just mentioned.
You've got weapons, you've got great coaching, you got great running.
Let's do this. You are now the man we sent
away and do that when fourteen games for us at
through thirty five touchdowns because we believe in you. I
don't need everything that comes with Aaron Rodgers for a year.
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What is the point now I will concede. Maybe the
Steelers because I don't know what they're doing. They should
have kept justin fields. They chose not to. That's their
fast their running fields every day, and they have been
bad making that quarterback decisions.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
And you're a decade. And the Bears were bad too
when they got rid of and they have looked and
they had the Bears that looked horrible off and they
could have kept them if they believed in them.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
And nobody too many have been too many people in
too many eyes that looked at Justinis.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And that's the funny part. That's the part I don't get.
So he had he was progressing. We still haven't seen
the best of him and given him your opinion, but
it is, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
You want to go to Aaron Rodgers, a guy who
they don't want. It doesn't make sense to me, and
you want it. But that's still is. He's sitting right
there and that's fine.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
And the same teams make mistakes every single day, Rob
And now you want to bring in Aaron Rodgers. That
makes more sense for the Steelers because to your point,
which I agree with, Mike Totherland and them are like, man,
we gotta win. What's the point when to go eight
or nine and eight, Hey, we didn't go at least
five hundred. So I get why they would want to
consider because they have no other choice. They don't want
to bring back Russell Wilson, so he's gone. They gave
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up with Justin Fields, he's gone. They have no real
choice but to get Aaron Rodgers Minnesota. It doesn't make
sense to me. You literally got rid of a guy
who's only twenty seven, who could have been productive, was
productive for you for JJ, and that's perfectly fine.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
He's your guy. You believe in him.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Why am I going to go get Aaron Rodgers all
the chaos that comes with it. Nobody has time for that.
I want to build around my young guy. And teams
are talking to him. You say nobody has time. This
is all of those teams giants disappointment, right, What I
mean the he wait a minute, the Vikings won fourteen games, and.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
They because they want to move on to JJ.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
No, but the idea that they're even having conversations and
this has been reported, this is not Okay, absolutely kick
the tires.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Why wouldn't you so? JJ is the guy.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
My point is that there are three teams that look
at him still viable because of where we are with quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I'm I'm not even saying I have kept it really
I know.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
But I'm just it's not like there's a plethora of
quarterbacks out there. It just tells you where teams are
and in the NFL without a quarterback going.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Into a season, your seasons, Oh, I don't disagree my season.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Oh the Giants are desperate, literally don't know what they're
gonna do. They have to figure they it's literally him
and Russell at this point, my some you have sat
here and you know I've kept it real and said
Aaron wasn't as bad as people think, as far as
a lot of issues and and but he also wasn't great.
And I don't even think he doesn't have gas in
the tank. I think there's a little bit of gas
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live in the tank. I just don't think he needs
to drive the car at this point, what is he
trying to prove?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I'm not gonna be a backup Aaron Rodgers not coming.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
But that's so then he has to be a Giant
to me or a Steeler, because if I'm the Vikings,
I'm staying will not be as though. That's where I
don't want him. If I'm the Vikings, I would pass.
I have JJ's who I believe and were ready to go.
Let's get this the JJ McCarthy tenure. Here we go.
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Speaker 4 (19:55):
And Rob Guh Josh Allen finally talked about his mega deal,
the most guaranteed Moulah money in the history of the
National Football League, at least for now, two hundred and
fifty of the three hundred and thirty million dollars guarantees,
Ching Balling.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And Rob g He had some boosting comments, didn't he,
Josh Allen?
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Yeah, because you mentioned the two fifty guaranteed, and that
is the headline. That's what all the agents are saying.
That's what ESPN, Fox Sports putting all on the mask at.
The Only problem though, is when you look at the
average annual value, he's only at only right, it was
that fifty five million dollars, which sounds like a lot,
except that deck is at sixty. So Josh Allen was
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on a podcast that dropped earlier on Wednesday, and he
was asked about the idea of leaving money on the
table in Buffalo take a listen.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
It didn't seem like to my perspective, that was taking
a whole lot less the way that I make sense
of it. When when you start getting these fairly big
numbers throughout the entire league, it's weird to say this,
but what's what's five more gonna do for my life
that I can't already do right now? It's not that
crazy to me, right Like, I live a pretty good life.
Got a house, got a car.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
We're good.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
It's good to know you got a house in the car.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Very nice, I would imagine he does with fifty.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
This is what's wrong with the NFL, and I just
can't get it. I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I just don't. I really don't what's wrong.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
When you have leverage, you should use it because it's
not only good for you, but for the other people
in the league, for the other players. Tom Brady was
the worst for NFL players, the absolute worst, accepting less
than his value. Oh, he hoped the team, there's why,
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And everybody used that. Well, you know, Patrick Mahomes, Tom
Brady didn't take all the money he could have gotten.
And they once, no, that doesn't automatically mean you're gonna
win a Super Bowl because you take less, don't. They
hire capologists and general managers and people, that's their job.
You don't want anybody in discount. And when you do that,
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you heard. I remember when Alex Rodriguez was leaving the Rangers,
he would had a deal ready to go to the
Boston Red Sox, and the Red Sox wanted him to
take a bit of a pay cut. The union said,
no way, no, how are you taking a pay cut?
It ain't about a Rod and the Boston Red Sox.
It's about the players. It's about all of them. And
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if a Rod takes a pay cut, guess what they're
gonna be asking everybody else to take pay cuts. You
gotta always think about the greater good, not just your
own situation. And the Rams won a Super Bowl and
guess what they cashed out Matthew Stafford. They didn't have
a rookie quarterback. They didn't care about no cap concerns.
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Look at what the Eagles have done in the off season.
Everybody they sign is the highest paid whatever position, and
they just won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
What are they doing going out paying people. They're not
sitting here.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Going, well, you don't, you don't take as much money
you know we could do all Stop it. Stop enabling
these guys to use you because it's wrong. And even
with Josh's case, your money ain't nof totally guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
No, not all of it. All right, it's majority of
the it's still not all guaranteed. It's real. And my
point is.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Stop hurting your brother and who are looking for deals.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
We talked about it.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Seventy percent of the players are three and a half
years getting a cup of coffee in a sweet role,
and they got to get a job five years after
they get in the league. Right, everybody ain't generation of
wealth and they're good to go.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Then here's the thing that rap Everything you said, I
actually get and I understand. However, we are part of
the reason why guys are doing this, and the reason
why they're doing this is because at a certain caliber,
the only thing we judge you by now is Super
Bowl wins. Josh Allen. Welcome to that category. Brother, all
we judge Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. Now what's the thing
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we say? Super Bowl wins?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Let me I just want to Yeah, so if we do,
he doesn't have a super Bowl and he's been a
failure when it comes to getting to the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
He still got the most money, So it can't be
just super.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Bowls because no, no, no, but I think, but he
didn't get paid about and super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I'm answering the conversation is giving yourself a haircut, giving
the team a discount is because guys say, will shoot,
if I can just save a little bit, so this
we can go sign this guy so we can do this.
And you brought up Tom Brady. Tom Brady is who
these guys are trying to be like and or Chase.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yes, but tom Brady and we have the facts, Rob
g was it the Boston Globe that wrote the story?
They didn't spend the money that they say from Tom Brady.
And everybody says, I hear what you're saying, but where's
Tom Brady? They're always saying he did more with less
because he didn't get the big time receivers until they
got Randy Moss one time.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Right, they had a run. I mean the second half.
They have some obscure weapons. But I totally get your point.
But here's the thing, though, guys are in as a
copycat league, and Josh Allens, the Patrick Mahomes and Lamar
Jackson and so on and so forth. They're saying, I'm
to the point now we're just having a Wow you
had a winning season, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Wow you made the postseason does matter.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
They want to get to the super Bowl, and then
they want to win a super Bowl, and they know
they're so good, too great, that we're only going to
judge them on super Bowl titles. So what happens is
they're saying, well, shoot, if y'all only gonna judge me
on super Bowl titles and wins, well then I got
to have Obviously the best team around me is as
much as possible. So part of that is me not
taking sixty million. I'll take fifty forty eight whatever and
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leave a couple bucks or some other players. Or I'm
Joe Burrow and I'm going out of my way to advocate.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Please sign Ti Higgins.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Please, I'll restructure my Please sign Jamar Chase, whatever it
takes because Joe Burrows in that category, he got a
taste of it, went to a super Bowl but didn't win.
That's what we're gonna judge Joe Burrow by now, by
g golly, he threw a bunch of touchdowns. So there's
a handful of guys, just a handful who realized for them,
my legacy's gonna be based off on how often I win,
(26:18):
how many times?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
But you can equate taking less money to winning, and
that is the brainwash that they've done to these players.
You can't show me where guys have taken less money
and it made it means that they won.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
But I can though Tom Brady and Patrick mahoson the
two greatest quarterbacks in the last X amount of years.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
They didn't use that.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Patrick Mahomes is making sixty million, fifty five million.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
They won last year. He would have maken that money.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
He's not making sixty he's not making anything what he's worth. No,
but he's still making a lot of money on right,
but he's not making the most.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
He's still won.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
And what restructuring deals they've done is taken a wife
he's they've taken away.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
The web doesn't make sense. And you know this about life.
It's dumb.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
What you're saying may be true in a longer detailed example.
What they're seeing is the result you give it. I
mean Tom Brady, they know he took.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
A pay cut.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
All they know is the Patriots went on an incredible
twenty year run, right with some years in the between
when they didn't win a super Bowl, but they were there.
Patrick Mahomes, all he's known since the start of him
being a starter is super Bowl and Super Bowl runs
and super Bowl expectations. And they see he got the
four hundred some million, did well that ended up being
a bargain right restructuring deals.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
That's what they see. Now.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
They're not going through the Okay, who else got the
money and did this? And Partiesian Parson And they're not
parsing through all that. All they know is the two
guys who had the most success of the last twenty
some years is Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and neither one
of them were the highest paid guy. The highest paid
guy Dak Prescott didn't make the post.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It's obviously did.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Nick Foles win a Super Bowl and beat Tom Brady?
He did, Okay, I'm just saying this guys who have won.
It's not the only way to win. And equating that
to Tom Brady where they screwed players up and down,
all those defensive players when they had the top five defenses,
go back and call and look it up for yourself.
All those guys who didn't get paid, and what they
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did is they used those guys.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Up and they didn't pay them.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Why would you agree to a system like that, and
why would you why would you allow yourself to be
used so that your your brother and the people will
help you don't get paid. I'm passionate about it because
it's not the.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Only way to win.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Look at what the Rams did with Stafford and those
guys that they paid and people they brought in.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It's not the only way to win.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
It's just that Tom Brady, because his wife was a
supermodel and made all that money and whatever, they didn't
spend that money on players.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
But you're missing the massive point, or let me not
say you eight Maybe you're not missing, but my point
is they look at who is winning and the two
guys who have dominated the last twenty years. You're trying
to tell you it's not equated to that, and it's
and some of that got Nick Foles we never saw again.
So they don't have a sustained You want a Superman's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But they're trying to just to me that the only
guys who won no pay cuts. Then I would buy that.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Guys who have had to sustained success, not one offs,
but you can that's what they're saying, not one offs.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Josh Allen doesn't want to be Nick Foles. We don't
even know where's Nick Foles. But I don't even know
where he is in life. They don't want to be
Nick Foles.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
But he's not even He hasn't even won anything they
want to be or he got paid.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
He didn't win anything when he.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Was on a roe when he was on a rookie contract,
he didn't win. Uh, Brock Party on the rookie contract.
This is last year he didn't win. Oh yeah, have
a rookie deal and then you can put all these
other pieces and weapons around. He didn't win. So it's
not about money, is what I'm trying to tell you.
It's a fallacy. It's phony because if what you're saying
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is right, then Brock Party and all these rookie guys
should have been able to win because they have more
money to spend on the other piecele.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
But you and you're naming the guys.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Rock Purty has had a two chances one, but he's
had chances. You can't guarantee you win because he went
to the super Bowl once saying that the forty nine
ers he had a chance to be in the super Bowl.
He had a chance to get in there, and.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
So he went one.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
So Rock Party has put himself in a position to
have a chance, and you can't guarantee you win. Patrick
Mahomes got there this year. That's what I'm saying. He
got there this year. All you want to do is
year in, year out, have a chance. That's all you
want to be able to do. They don't want to
with that. They don't want to play to just be
a decent team.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Way that you should only put that on a quarterback
and tell us because the moment, you just tell everybody
it's the fifty two guys, because the bulk of the
money goes to them. And you know this, Rock they
just gave Moms Garrett the most money for not you
think that that team just got better.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
They're gonna win a Louto.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
But we're talking about the quarterbacks you're naming, and that's
that's one. That's a guy we're saying every year it
ends up being.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Money. He says he wanted to win. That's a congress.
That is a great point because he shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Take less money. He's the best defensive player in the league.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Why should he take less And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Because he doesn't have a legacy. That doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Miles Garretts could literally never win anything, and he's going
straight to all the fame. We'll say he's one of
the best d nds of all time. The quarterbacks know
they're only they're judge based off winning, and their legacy
is based off championships.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Miles garrett could literally.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Never is regarded as one of the greatest quarterbacks who
ever played in the National.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
One and if he won three, he might be the best.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Nobody says he don't throw him out, but he could
be nobody nobody had he won he won a few.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
It's the truth, just it just had he won a few,
he could be considered.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You think your brainwashed like the other NFL players, I believe.
I'm telling you what Sam Brady thing is a false dowage.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
You can say that, but when they follow the guys.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
The Boston The Boston.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Glow Globe, thank you, wrote a big story about this and.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Showed how they didn't even spend the money. I'm not
arguing they spent it. We talked about the pay.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
But what I'm saying is, guys see that if I
make money the focal point, that that's all that matters.
They may not work out where we're winning. That's I
don't I want a bunch of money. I got a
bunch of money. I don't need to be the highest paid.
I'm locked in on trying to win. That's what he's saying.
I'm telling you you can be. And then you met
at Saint Kwon Barkley, then you met it for sake
from them giving him all the ball, you can't get
(32:27):
all the bag.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I said that, why would they do that when he
already had two years left on a deal.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
That was my poot.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I'm saying to be happy that he got the bag.
Mad at Sa Kuon because they gave him the bag.
But now you want to get Josh get the bag
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Before we.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Get there, let's talk about last night for the National
Game in the NBA, and we had Shaq Shaquille O'Neill
on TNT talking about the Detroit Pistons and not doing
a good job.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Will be interested. You said something very interesting about kay Gunnyham.
Great player now at this day, he plays at his
own pace. Anybody that can consistently play of their own
place and put up numbers, it's a great player. Like
the way he's playing, Like what chulse he is doing.
Those guys play hard. My favorite player on that team
was Isaiah Stewart, big body, hard guy. I like to
knock people.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Out, pushing who's doing it?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
He said Chauncey coach.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Okay, that's what I mean.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
You know, first of all, I don't watch Detroit. How
about that boo boo.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
I don't watch him, but I mean it's sincerely I
think you would enjoy watching the Detroit Pistols.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I don't get played hard.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Katus phenomenal, Jalen Duran's you're kind of big.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Okay, I love Isaiah.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Stewart and the other thing. I don't know who the
female was on this and she's like, well, I couldn't
let that go. I'm glad you didn't let it go.
I mean, the idea that you were going to let
it go because it was Shack and he messed up
or whatever. I mean, come on, and and this is
the idea. And I'll tell you, Shaq knows you played
(01:57):
in the league. He knows about basketball and all that.
But this is my pushback when when people gravitate to
former players and expecting them to, I guess, do homework,
research and not just show up and be a big personality,
but actually know what's going on. And if you'r TNT,
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you're embarrassed. Shaq can be embarrassed, but T and T
should be embarrassed as well. You know how many producers
they have behind the scenes, right and and everything, And
the idea that Shaq is going to go out on
the set, sit there, they're talking about the Pistons and
he doesn't know who the coach is or that that
Chauncey Billups who's at all time great Pistons helped the
Pistons beat the Lakers in two thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Sorry Rob g And with the final but you get
my point. And and this is one of those things.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
And as a fan, I'm gonna say this and let
you go, what is it that you really want? Do
you want to be educated or entertained? Because if you
just want to be entertained, then he's the But if
you want to be educated, then he's not the guy.
And we talk about this on this radio show all
the time. We our goal is two things and have
(03:10):
been for the last seven years. Fun and informative. We
just can't have fun here. We gotta give you some information.
We gotta inform you so that you can take that
stuff back to your friends, understand what's going on, and
have those kind of conversations.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I think that's what's made inside the NBA this show
because Kenny the Jet gives you great insight, great you know,
breakdown of the game. Ernie obviously is the maestro giving
you the fats of stacks and getting you in and
out of the highlights. So you get that, but then
Chuck and Shack at some point, I'm gonna tall terrible, fantastic.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
They're gonna have their fight, their little debate.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
They're gonna argue about some SHOT's gonna get pushed into
a Christmas tree. They're gonna outrun, They're gonna make fun
of Kenny's knees. And that's to me, the perfect balance.
So the bigger conversation to me is what we as
consumers of things need to understand now is you have
access to any and everything you want. Gone to the
days where you turn on the TV and it's force
(04:07):
fed to you, you turn on the radio, it's force
fed to you.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
You have options.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
If you want absolute nothing but pure basketball analysis, you
have more, maybe more options than you've ever had in
the history of the mankind. Now we have a three
million podcasts available. There are podcasts where they bring I mean,
they will break down one play for an hour.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You have that.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
If you want to be entertained, you have that option.
And this is why to me, I was kind of
shocked where Lebron was kind of going at certain people,
and it seemed like it was more geared towards Chuck
and that crew, like you know exactly what that show
has been. They draw donuts coming on Charles barkleyhead. They're
there to make you laugh, They're there to drop a
few facts here and there, but overall be entertained while
you watch the game and enjoy the sport. So you
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have to know what it is. Shaq, ain't who I'm
going for for my great analysis. You know who I
would the woman on that. You were saying, Cannis Parker,
Cannons Parker didn't see you know I'm saying. We were
just saying, who can tis Parker is brilliant And if
you watch that Kennis Parker breaks it down, Shack's now
who you go for for that?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
And that's okay.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Now he better be on shocked in the fool at
the end of this week, whatever the next, he better
Shack better be on shackedon the fool. That's what I know.
But I think I think it's in come more than ever.
You have to do your own like you have the information, now,
you have the resource. You have the websites. We have
websites and blogs and things dedicated to it to finding
all the access and information announces you want.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I think it's disappointing if you're a fan and you're
listening to guys who played and whatnot, and they just
haven't done the work, or they don't don't know what
they're talking about, or the backstory or or anything that's
involved in it. I think that's why you've seen a
million of those players come and go, you know what
(05:50):
I mean, because they a or they won't they don't
want to criticize other people, or they're in bed with
too many people. I can't talk about that guy. He
went to my college, he was represented by my agent. Yeah,
you know what I mean. And then you're you're trapped.
You're trapped, so you can't really say anything. You can't
really be. The best people on television are people who
(06:13):
as honest as it comes. You can say whatever you
want about Charles and you don't like this, and he's
bashing whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
He's as honest as it gets.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Tells you exactly what he believes, so to the point
of his own detriment, of his own relationship with Michael Jordan,
his best friend, exactly who you know, he had to
be honest about some stuff, and then Mike took you know,
had hard feelings for it, and they haven't been right since.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Maybe they'll come back around at some point, you hope.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But yeah, and by the way, this is the best
version of Shaq that we've got as far as being
in an you know, analyzing the game and being an analyst.
Because if you recall, if you watch the Inside the
NBA story, like the docu series on it, I was
in that.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
They had to tell Shaq like, hey, man, I know
it's fun. I know you're Shack and it's cute now,
but you gotta pay attention a little bit. You got
you can't come in here and be a DJ for
four hours and just go back.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
He literally with just DJ during the games.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I swear to you on the first his first night
on Yeah, and then they went to a commercial break
and somebody tweeted or something, I swear, turn up shacks,
Mike because he was mumbled up yeah, And that was.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
The first commercial break on it.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Like I was like, wow, somebody's like, turn up shacks, Mike,
And that was how I talk.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And you're right, he's gotten better. I like, wow, we
got shock like numbers. I don't think you putting up
the numbers like that, need to put them up. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
That's what it was, and it was hard to listen to.
Obviously he has knowledge and we know about his career
as a.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Power Shack's not there for that. Tim Legler is great.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
But when you say not there for that, that doesn't
mean you say, Chauncey Billups is the coach of the Pistols.
That's not being there for that. And I get what
you're talking about numbers and break up. That's fine, dude.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
You gotta come.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Especially considered a couple of things. One, Chauncey's a legend
that you should know that. He's not like a random car.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
You know that he beat you in two thousand or
you don't know what Chauncey.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Billups right, And he has turned around the Portland team
to access been a team you gotta really beat because
they were horrible last year and a half.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
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Speaker 7 (08:19):
Aaron Rodgers, I don't know if he really as you know,
wittle his choices down so much as the market has
whittled his choices down for him. You know, Seattle got
their quarterback, Raiders got their quarterback. That this goes on
and on and now a courting to multiple reports, Aaron
Rodgers is down to three teams, the New York Giants,
which has been well reported ever since they lost out
(08:39):
on Matthew Stafford. They want a veteran quarterback, Aaron Rodgers
already in New.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
York, they're trying to save their job.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
It seems like they they need to like not win anything,
but they got to be respectable, like though, the general
manager and the coach am I.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Right, yep, Like it's that bad.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Like if they go and they get somebody and it
doesn't work out and they go three and fourteen again,
they're all out.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, this is it.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
They've been embarrassed multiple times on many fronts.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
And behind door number two, of course, the Pittsburgh Steelers,
Mike tom and Aaron Rodgers have a well chronicled affinity
for one another, and now they got like, man they
do it looks like Russell Wilson is on the outs.
They view him as a backup plan, and they're saying, hey,
we just got DK Metcalf, we got George Pickens. Aaron
Rodgers come to us and last but not leaves. This
was a little bit of a shocker. Caught him to
(09:26):
a few outlets, the Minnesota Vikings after letting Sam Darnold
test the free agent market and lead at Seattle, presumably
so they could start JJ McCarthy if now said, hey,
you know what, Aaron, if you're interested, we might be
interested and let's see what happens. So right now, Aaron Rodgers,
as we speak, deciding number one if he wants to
play number two.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
If he does, is it the Giants, is it the Steelers?
Is it the Vikings?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
If it's me, you left out a fourth option, and
that fourth option is just call it a career. It's okay.
He will be third forty two. Towards the end of
the season. Tom Brady is becoming the exception where guys
think it's normal to play forty forty five like that.
That's not necessarily normal. That is an absurdity. And he,
(10:16):
being Aaron Rodgers, already played an amazing career. Right He's
been MVP several times over, He's a couple of Super
Bowl appearances.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
He has a ring. He's we all in wont super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I said he has a ring, said super Bowl appearances,
and we've considered him one of the best and one
of the most talented.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's been underwhelming lately.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And to use Rob's point of you always talk about
Lebron keep playing. It only hurts it his legacy as
far as you know all these years, why could apply
that to Aaron Rodgers Because it has just not been
great for him the last handful of years. He hasn't
been great, been a shell of himself. And that's okay.
He's about to be forty two. So there is a
fourth option available, and I don't even mean this in
(10:57):
a sarcastic way. You don't have to play. If he
chooses too, he has his right to. But there is
a fourth option, which is to say, hey man, because
he said he wants to win, some of those options
you mentioned don't look like winning options. He's already been
coming off the Achilles and he wasn't horrible last year
if you just looked that touchdowns interception, But if you
look deeper into the numbers, he was bottom in completions.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
He was bottom in QBR.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I just don't necessarily see why he has to keep
doing this, right, the whole drama, where am I gonna go?
What I'm gonna do? We gotta do this every year.
It's our annual thing in the offseason. There is a
fourth option, and that could be forman calling a heck
of a career, an amazing career, first ballot. You're about
to get to yellowjacket in five years. That is an
option Rob that he may want.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
To see him.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
It's not because teams need quarterbacks, and that's what you're not.
It ain't about just Aaron Rodgers. It's about teams needing quarterbacks.
If they had quarterbacks, You're right, Aaron Rodgers wouldn't be
viable for those three teams. There are three teams still
looking for a quarterback. That's why he's That's why his conversation.
(12:01):
They could have his if there was no spot for him,
it wouldn't even be his own decision. If other teams
at quarterbacks. The idea that a forty one year old
has three options is incredible to me. But that tells
you the lack of quarterbacks viable. And if you're the
Minnesota Vikings, you just say we have this coach, we
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got a great offensive line, we could run the football.
We have one of the best receivers in the game.
Look at what we just did with Sam Donald. We
could protect Aaron Rodgers in that division. We don't want
to give up fourteen win season and what we accomplished
last year.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And JJ McCarthy is still learning.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
And I would make the case in Minnesota, JJ, Aaron
said his first three years and he's going to the
Hall of Fame. Okay, it ain't the end of the
world if you sit here for one year or maybe two.
I'm just saying one year or maybe two and look
at a Hall of Fame quarterback and and watch him
(13:04):
and see what he does and all this kind of stuff.
So so I think that that's viable. I understand the
Steelers the same thing. Mike Tomlin needs to win a
playoff game. He needs it desperately.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Nine years.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
You heard Shannon Sharp go after Mike Tomlin the other day.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
It's nice.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Oh, he can never lie to lose the season. Enough
with that, enough with that. He needs a playoff.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Win, which is bad, sad because you would think you'd
be saying he needs a Super Bowl. No, no, no,
he needs bad. He just needs a playoff. And that's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
And then again the Giants, once again, the coach, general manager,
their jobs are on the line if they have another
if they have another stinker, right, because they don't have
a quarterback that Daniel Jones, and they go with what's
his name, de Vito what's his uh Tommy?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
If they go with him and they go four and
thirteen or dude, they're both out. So this is about
preservation for coaches and looking at a situation. If I'm Minnesota, seriously,
I'm saying to myself, look at the division. The Lions
are in the flock. They lost their two coordinators. All
this why the Bears are getting better. The Packers are there.
(14:21):
We got a chance. We won fourteen last year. We
got a chance. We have all the other pieces in place.
And that's what makes If I'm Aaron Rodgers, despite having
you look like you're doing the Brett.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Favor again, that is that's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
But that is a real option for him because the
offensive line is so good because it's not just chase
after the quarterback because they can't run the ball. They
can run the ball and then you have a receiver
who can get open downfield.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I'm telling you why.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Minnesota makes Minnesota makes sense if you're just doing the paper.
Here's the problem with that. I don't believe they're better.
I don't believe he's going to have a better see
in than Sam Donald. And they weren't better than the Lions,
and I don't think they will be better than the Lions.
I don't think they're better one game difference, and I
think it's going to be a step back with Aaron Rodgers.
He is not Sam Donald at this point.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
He's not he's not. He's nowhere near his mobile at
this point in his career. Offensive line, that's the best
part of it.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
That's why Sam Donald was able to get off and
that's why they moved on from him Calvin. But if
it was about Sam Donald what they said, oh my god,
look at.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
What he did, he would be the quarterback. But he
doesn't have to be the quarterback, is JJ McCarthy. That's
the point, JJ McCarthy, No.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
You just gave up a quarterback that won fourteen games
and for who?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
For who? JJ McCarthy. That's the point.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
They gave it up because it's the same guy they
want up the draft, the same guy they believe in.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
This is there. You're not talking to Aaron Rodgers at all?
Why would you talk to Aaron Rodgers? Where did Daniel
Jones just lead to? I need to back up. I
need somebody.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Aaron Rodgers and I can talk to somebody. I can
have a conversation with.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
He's playing.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Why Why do I Why do I want all the
drama that comes with it, all of this. He's not
gonna be a great leader at the back of round.
I'm not trying to get JJ Reddick to be JJ reddick.
I'm not trying to have JJ McCart basketball. I'm not
trying to have JJ McCart to be surrounded with all
this getting bad. This is how we do this. You
got all to do all this, and no, I don't
(16:26):
want that. I want this to be kid. The keys
are yours. Here you go. You've got everything you just mentioned.
You've got weapons, you've got great coaching, you got great running.
Let's do this. You are now the man we sent
away and do that when fourteen games for us at
through thirty five touchdowns because we believe in you. I
don't need everything that comes with Aaron Rodgers for a year.
(16:47):
What is the point now I will concede. Maybe the
Steelers because I don't know what they're doing. They should
have kept justin fields. They chose not to. That's their
fast their running fields every day, and they have been
bad making that quarterback decisions.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
And you're a decade. And the Bears were bad too
when they got rid of and they have looked and
they had the Bears that looked horrible off and they
could have kept them if they believed in them.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
And nobody too many have been too many people in
too many eyes that looked at Justinis.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And that's the funny part. That's the part I don't get.
So he had he was progressing. We still haven't seen
the best of him and given him your opinion, but
it is, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
You want to go to Aaron Rodgers, a guy who
they don't want. It doesn't make sense to me, and
you want it. But that's still is. He's sitting right
there and that's fine.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
And the same teams make mistakes every single day, Rob
And now you want to bring in Aaron Rodgers. That
makes more sense for the Steelers because to your point,
which I agree with, Mike Totherland and them are like, man,
we gotta win. What's the point when to go eight
or nine and eight, Hey, we didn't go at least
five hundred. So I get why they would want to
consider because they have no other choice. They don't want
to bring back Russell Wilson, so he's gone. They gave
(17:50):
up with Justin Fields, he's gone. They have no real
choice but to get Aaron Rodgers Minnesota. It doesn't make
sense to me. You literally got rid of a guy
who's only twenty seven, who could have been productive, was
productive for you for JJ, and that's perfectly fine.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
He's your guy. You believe in him.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Why am I going to go get Aaron Rodgers all
the chaos that comes with it. Nobody has time for that.
I want to build around my young guy. And teams
are talking to him. You say nobody has time. This
is all of those teams giants disappointment, right, What I
mean the he wait a minute, the Vikings won fourteen games, and.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
They because they want to move on to JJ.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
No, but the idea that they're even having conversations and
this has been reported, this is not Okay, absolutely kick
the tires.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Why wouldn't you so? JJ is the guy.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
My point is that there are three teams that look
at him still viable because of where we are with quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I'm I'm not even saying I have kept it really
I know.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
But I'm just it's not like there's a plethora of
quarterbacks out there. It just tells you where teams are
and in the NFL without a quarterback going.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Into a season, your seasons, Oh, I don't disagree my season.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Oh the Giants are desperate, literally don't know what they're
gonna do. They have to figure they it's literally him
and Russell at this point, my some you have sat
here and you know I've kept it real and said
Aaron wasn't as bad as people think, as far as
a lot of issues and and but he also wasn't great.
And I don't even think he doesn't have gas in
the tank. I think there's a little bit of gas
(19:19):
live in the tank. I just don't think he needs
to drive the car at this point, what is he
trying to prove?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I'm not gonna be a backup Aaron Rodgers not coming.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
But that's so then he has to be a Giant
to me or a Steeler, because if I'm the Vikings,
I'm staying will not be as though. That's where I
don't want him. If I'm the Vikings, I would pass.
I have JJ's who I believe and were ready to go.
Let's get this the JJ McCarthy tenure. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
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Speaker 4 (19:55):
And Rob Guh Josh Allen finally talked about his mega deal,
the most guaranteed Moulah money in the history of the
National Football League, at least for now, two hundred and
fifty of the three hundred and thirty million dollars guarantees,
Ching Balling.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And Rob g He had some boosting comments, didn't he,
Josh Allen?
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Yeah, because you mentioned the two fifty guaranteed, and that
is the headline. That's what all the agents are saying.
That's what ESPN, Fox Sports putting all on the mask at.
The Only problem though, is when you look at the
average annual value, he's only at only right, it was
that fifty five million dollars, which sounds like a lot,
except that deck is at sixty. So Josh Allen was
(20:41):
on a podcast that dropped earlier on Wednesday, and he
was asked about the idea of leaving money on the
table in Buffalo take a listen.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
It didn't seem like to my perspective, that was taking
a whole lot less the way that I make sense
of it. When when you start getting these fairly big
numbers throughout the entire league, it's weird to say this,
but what's what's five more gonna do for my life
that I can't already do right now? It's not that
crazy to me, right Like, I live a pretty good life.
Got a house, got a car.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
We're good.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
It's good to know you got a house in the car.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Very nice, I would imagine he does with fifty.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
This is what's wrong with the NFL, and I just
can't get it. I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I just don't. I really don't what's wrong.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
When you have leverage, you should use it because it's
not only good for you, but for the other people
in the league, for the other players. Tom Brady was
the worst for NFL players, the absolute worst, accepting less
than his value. Oh, he hoped the team, there's why,
(21:48):
And everybody used that. Well, you know, Patrick Mahomes, Tom
Brady didn't take all the money he could have gotten.
And they once, no, that doesn't automatically mean you're gonna
win a Super Bowl because you take less, don't. They
hire capologists and general managers and people, that's their job.
You don't want anybody in discount. And when you do that,
(22:09):
you heard. I remember when Alex Rodriguez was leaving the Rangers,
he would had a deal ready to go to the
Boston Red Sox, and the Red Sox wanted him to
take a bit of a pay cut. The union said,
no way, no, how are you taking a pay cut?
It ain't about a Rod and the Boston Red Sox.
It's about the players. It's about all of them. And
(22:33):
if a Rod takes a pay cut, guess what they're
gonna be asking everybody else to take pay cuts. You
gotta always think about the greater good, not just your
own situation. And the Rams won a Super Bowl and
guess what they cashed out Matthew Stafford. They didn't have
a rookie quarterback. They didn't care about no cap concerns.
(22:57):
Look at what the Eagles have done in the off season.
Everybody they sign is the highest paid whatever position, and
they just won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
What are they doing going out paying people. They're not
sitting here.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Going, well, you don't, you don't take as much money
you know we could do all Stop it. Stop enabling
these guys to use you because it's wrong. And even
with Josh's case, your money ain't nof totally guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
No, not all of it. All right, it's majority of
the it's still not all guaranteed. It's real. And my
point is.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Stop hurting your brother and who are looking for deals.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
We talked about it.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Seventy percent of the players are three and a half
years getting a cup of coffee in a sweet role,
and they got to get a job five years after
they get in the league. Right, everybody ain't generation of
wealth and they're good to go.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Then here's the thing that rap Everything you said, I
actually get and I understand. However, we are part of
the reason why guys are doing this, and the reason
why they're doing this is because at a certain caliber,
the only thing we judge you by now is Super
Bowl wins. Josh Allen. Welcome to that category. Brother, all
we judge Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. Now what's the thing
(24:19):
we say? Super Bowl wins?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Let me I just want to Yeah, so if we do,
he doesn't have a super Bowl and he's been a
failure when it comes to getting to the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
He still got the most money, So it can't be
just super.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Bowls because no, no, no, but I think, but he
didn't get paid about and super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I'm answering the conversation is giving yourself a haircut, giving
the team a discount is because guys say, will shoot,
if I can just save a little bit, so this
we can go sign this guy so we can do this.
And you brought up Tom Brady. Tom Brady is who
these guys are trying to be like and or Chase.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yes, but tom Brady and we have the facts, Rob
g was it the Boston Globe that wrote the story?
They didn't spend the money that they say from Tom Brady.
And everybody says, I hear what you're saying, but where's
Tom Brady? They're always saying he did more with less
because he didn't get the big time receivers until they
got Randy Moss one time.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Right, they had a run. I mean the second half.
They have some obscure weapons. But I totally get your point.
But here's the thing, though, guys are in as a
copycat league, and Josh Allens, the Patrick Mahomes and Lamar
Jackson and so on and so forth. They're saying, I'm
to the point now we're just having a Wow you
had a winning season, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Wow you made the postseason does matter.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
They want to get to the super Bowl, and then
they want to win a super Bowl, and they know
they're so good, too great, that we're only going to
judge them on super Bowl titles. So what happens is
they're saying, well, shoot, if y'all only gonna judge me
on super Bowl titles and wins, well then I got
to have Obviously the best team around me is as
much as possible. So part of that is me not
taking sixty million. I'll take fifty forty eight whatever and
(25:51):
leave a couple bucks or some other players. Or I'm
Joe Burrow and I'm going out of my way to advocate.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Please sign Ti Higgins.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Please, I'll restructure my Please sign Jamar Chase, whatever it
takes because Joe Burrows in that category, he got a
taste of it, went to a super Bowl but didn't win.
That's what we're gonna judge Joe Burrow by now, by
g golly, he threw a bunch of touchdowns. So there's
a handful of guys, just a handful who realized for them,
my legacy's gonna be based off on how often I win,
(26:18):
how many times?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
But you can equate taking less money to winning, and
that is the brainwash that they've done to these players.
You can't show me where guys have taken less money
and it made it means that they won.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
But I can though Tom Brady and Patrick mahoson the
two greatest quarterbacks in the last X amount of years.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
They didn't use that.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Patrick Mahomes is making sixty million, fifty five million.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
They won last year. He would have maken that money.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
He's not making sixty he's not making anything what he's worth. No,
but he's still making a lot of money on right,
but he's not making the most.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
He's still won.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
And what restructuring deals they've done is taken a wife
he's they've taken away.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
The web doesn't make sense. And you know this about life.
It's dumb.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
What you're saying may be true in a longer detailed example.
What they're seeing is the result you give it. I
mean Tom Brady, they know he took.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
A pay cut.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
All they know is the Patriots went on an incredible
twenty year run, right with some years in the between
when they didn't win a super Bowl, but they were there.
Patrick Mahomes, all he's known since the start of him
being a starter is super Bowl and Super Bowl runs
and super Bowl expectations. And they see he got the
four hundred some million, did well that ended up being
a bargain right restructuring deals.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
That's what they see. Now.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
They're not going through the Okay, who else got the
money and did this? And Partiesian Parson And they're not
parsing through all that. All they know is the two
guys who had the most success of the last twenty
some years is Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and neither one
of them were the highest paid guy. The highest paid
guy Dak Prescott didn't make the post.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It's obviously did.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Nick Foles win a Super Bowl and beat Tom Brady?
He did, Okay, I'm just saying this guys who have won.
It's not the only way to win. And equating that
to Tom Brady where they screwed players up and down,
all those defensive players when they had the top five defenses,
go back and call and look it up for yourself.
All those guys who didn't get paid, and what they
(28:15):
did is they used those guys.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Up and they didn't pay them.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Why would you agree to a system like that, and
why would you why would you allow yourself to be
used so that your your brother and the people will
help you don't get paid. I'm passionate about it because
it's not the.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Only way to win.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Look at what the Rams did with Stafford and those
guys that they paid and people they brought in.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It's not the only way to win.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
It's just that Tom Brady, because his wife was a
supermodel and made all that money and whatever, they didn't
spend that money on players.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
But you're missing the massive point, or let me not
say you eight Maybe you're not missing, but my point
is they look at who is winning and the two
guys who have dominated the last twenty years. You're trying
to tell you it's not equated to that, and it's
and some of that got Nick Foles we never saw again.
So they don't have a sustained You want a Superman's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But they're trying to just to me that the only
guys who won no pay cuts. Then I would buy that.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Guys who have had to sustained success, not one offs,
but you can that's what they're saying, not one offs.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Josh Allen doesn't want to be Nick Foles. We don't
even know where's Nick Foles. But I don't even know
where he is in life. They don't want to be
Nick Foles.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
But he's not even He hasn't even won anything they
want to be or he got paid.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
He didn't win anything when he.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Was on a roe when he was on a rookie contract,
he didn't win. Uh, Brock Party on the rookie contract.
This is last year he didn't win. Oh yeah, have
a rookie deal and then you can put all these
other pieces and weapons around. He didn't win. So it's
not about money, is what I'm trying to tell you.
It's a fallacy. It's phony because if what you're saying
(29:54):
is right, then Brock Party and all these rookie guys
should have been able to win because they have more
money to spend on the other piecele.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
But you and you're naming the guys.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Rock Purty has had a two chances one, but he's
had chances. You can't guarantee you win because he went
to the super Bowl once saying that the forty nine
ers he had a chance to be in the super Bowl.
He had a chance to get in there, and.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
So he went one.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
So Rock Party has put himself in a position to
have a chance, and you can't guarantee you win. Patrick
Mahomes got there this year. That's what I'm saying. He
got there this year. All you want to do is
year in, year out, have a chance. That's all you
want to be able to do. They don't want to
with that. They don't want to play to just be
a decent team.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Way that you should only put that on a quarterback
and tell us because the moment, you just tell everybody
it's the fifty two guys, because the bulk of the
money goes to them. And you know this, Rock they
just gave Moms Garrett the most money for not you
think that that team just got better.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
They're gonna win a Louto.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
But we're talking about the quarterbacks you're naming, and that's
that's one. That's a guy we're saying every year it
ends up being.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Money. He says he wanted to win. That's a congress.
That is a great point because he shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Take less money. He's the best defensive player in the league.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Why should he take less And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Because he doesn't have a legacy. That doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Miles Garretts could literally never win anything, and he's going
straight to all the fame. We'll say he's one of
the best d nds of all time. The quarterbacks know
they're only they're judge based off winning, and their legacy
is based off championships.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Miles garrett could literally.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Never is regarded as one of the greatest quarterbacks who
ever played in the National.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
One and if he won three, he might be the best.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Nobody says he don't throw him out, but he could
be nobody nobody had he won he won a few.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
It's the truth, just it just had he won a few,
he could be considered.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You think your brainwashed like the other NFL players, I believe.
I'm telling you what Sam Brady thing is a false dowage.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
You can say that, but when they follow the guys.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
The Boston The Boston.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Glow Globe, thank you, wrote a big story about this and.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Showed how they didn't even spend the money. I'm not
arguing they spent it. We talked about the pay.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
But what I'm saying is, guys see that if I
make money the focal point, that that's all that matters.
They may not work out where we're winning. That's I
don't I want a bunch of money. I got a
bunch of money. I don't need to be the highest paid.
I'm locked in on trying to win. That's what he's saying.
I'm telling you you can be. And then you met
at Saint Kwon Barkley, then you met it for sake
from them giving him all the ball, you can't get
(32:27):
all the bag.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I said that, why would they do that when he
already had two years left on a deal.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
That was my poot.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I'm saying to be happy that he got the bag.
Mad at Sa Kuon because they gave him the bag.
But now you want to get Josh get the bag
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