March 13, 2025 • 28 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether or not Cooper Flagg’s ankle injury could turn March Madness into ‘March Sadness’, tell us if Flagg’s injury should prevent Duke from holding on to the top overall seed in the NCAA Tournament and argue whether all the NFL teams who are waiting on Aaron Rodgers have mismanaged their offseason.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
College basketball March Madness is selection Sunday?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Is this Sunday? And there's news about Cooper Flag?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah? And it's not good news. No, I mean, he's
literally the star right now. You can say the face
keeping college basketball for men live or the how good
is he? How's good is Duke? Could he do in
the league? Will he be that great in the NBA?
And so all of a sudden he's down. Rob g
tell us a little bit more about this Anco injury. Yeah,
(00:56):
if you saw the video, it was all bad. Now.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
He went up for a rebound down on somebody's foot
and immediately went down in pain. He had to have
teammates carry him off the floor. He gets to the sideline,
He's immediately put in a wheelchair. They wheel him to
the back. If you saw the video, and the still
shot of his ankle, it looked like a grapefruit.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It is swollen. Immediately he goes to the.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Back, they retape him, and to his credit, he came
back to the silent and didn't stay in the back,
stood with his team. Obviously, wasn't walking, wasn't movie immediately
ruled out after the game, He's ruled out at least
for the rest of the ACC tournament to be determined
on his future for March Madness, well.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I'm glad you said that that phrase. You just said there,
March madness, because that's what we all look forward to.
A lot of people even take the day off the
first day or two. They're all excited about it because
that's what it's about. It's about this the brackets, your friends,
got your wings going, you're excited about it. If Cooper
Flag goes out, it goes from March madness to March sadness.
(01:58):
Because here's this singular face of college basketball, Monte. You
know it's the truth. March Madness will be March sadage.
You can't name four of you can't even make a
starting five, You can't name four other players in college basketball.
He has been the story he has been the face,
and he has been the intrigue and what people are
watching to see. How will he do in his first tournament?
(02:18):
How will he stay at dude, because he doesn't want
to go to the Charlotte Hornets, who might draft him?
You know, will he ball out and be a Carmelo
Anthony type, go through your freshman year, be the star,
win a championship. He's what everybody wants to see. And
if he's out, and which is why I think they
are saying at least a tournament, but not saying further
because they don't want to lose any juice of it. Man,
(02:39):
So this is big for college basketball. They don't have
many stars the men's side, the opposite of the women's
They have a handful of stars, and they had a
hand even more last year. The college men's college basketball
doesn't have stars. They're not pumping them out like this,
and he is a face of it, and it'll be
very disappointing if he's not there, because whether you love
him or hate him, you'll watch. Whether you love or
hate Duke, you'll watch. And it's still an American pastime.
(03:02):
March madness will watch it. But that buzz that entrigu
I think will be down some without him.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Rob, Yeah, I don't buy into that.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I think he is the guy people want to watch
and are you looking at Duke or whatever? As always,
But March Madness is bigger than that. It's about schools, alumni.
It's about people the first round. They're looking for an upset.
They don't know most of the schools, small schools. They
don't know who the players are. People if they give
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you a bracket, they're going by the color of their
uniform or what their mascot is.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
They don't know most We don't know most of the
guys here.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's not like the old days where guys played three
or four years.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Sure we know who he.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Is, but the tournament is not gonna go away, or
people aren't gonna watch. They haven't been watching for years
because that the best players aren't in college basketball.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
They're in the NBA. So we get that.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
But I don't think, oh my god, and the tournament
or don't watch because Cooper Flack Duke does play every
night and people are still looking for upsets.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
People are looking to see their school.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
If you're went to Saint John's and now Rick Patino's
there and now they got a good program. There's interest there.
What is Saint John's all about. There's a lot of
other stories there. Granted he's a star part of it,
but March Madness is bigger than just one guy with
him maybe not playing.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I don't disagree with that at all. I think this
is the fun part of it is seeing a Wichita state.
But I think it's just a crazy part we're at
because you recall, depending on your air right, if you
want to go to the eighties, the nineties or the
two thousands, early two thousands, Man March Madness had stars
on a lot of the teams. You knew three to
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four to five of the players, and it was just
it was great and you always got to see the
small team. You didn't know the underdog that David to
a David and Goliath story. But it is just mind
boggling to me now how you just don't even know
any of the players. And it's just to me, that's
what I was thinking. When I saw Cooper Cooper flag
go down. I was like, man, you really don't like
that's the guy. You know, whether you see all the games,
(05:09):
whether you know you watch ten of the Duke's games,
you at least knew him. You knew the Okay, here's
that kid. Let me see, everybody's be talking about him
for two or three years. Now, you knew that. And
end is just interesting how far we've come from my era.
You know, if you want to say, like the Formidable years,
the nineties with the UNLV's the Fab fives, you can
pick any iteration of the Duke team to a North
Carolina team, to some of those North Carolina state teams
(05:31):
with Wan dickxs, I mean in the early two thousands,
like having a run of knowing teams, knowing how they're built,
knowing that the rivalries. They don't like that guy, they
don't like that guy, that team that's beef with that
team that was part of the intrigue, as well as
the unknowns and the teams of small teams. And it's
just we've come a long way, Rob where we don't
like that's it. It's your alum, you're an alumni of
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a school, your alma maters playing or like you said,
it just I just want to see David beat Goliath
like there's no more. Oh, I know, Rashid Wallace, Jerry
Stackhouse and coda and that you know those those North
Carolina teams want to go up against them and ooh,
it's like you don't know anyone, And that's It's just
I was thinking, like, how far we've come in that regard.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, I mean, sure, do you want cooper a flag
to be there, Sure you do. But I just think
March madness is just about at this point now, and
we've been through it for a long time. This is
not the old college basketball twenty years ago. Plenty of
people haven't gone to college to play some of the
biggest stars, or they've played had a cup of coffee
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in the sweet role in college because they were forced to.
So I just think people are like about faceless, nameless players.
But they're looking at uniforms at my Alma Mada in
my school and it's a it's a reason to it's
just a hang out and have beer and chicken wings.
And most of the time they don't know who the
players are. I've watched the coverage. Some of the analysts
(06:55):
doing this stuff doing the college basketball don't know who
the guys are, so how to fit them to I
didn't say shack hey.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
But yeah, you can't be mad at shack. I mean,
because nobody knows in this regard, and it's an excuse, right,
It's excuse to hang out by the water cooler at
your job. It's an excuse to go over to Bob's
you know station at your job. And because he's got
the computer going up with five or six different games.
It's all fun. We all love it. Listen. It's just
one of those things. That's why I said, it's like
an American pastime. We do this for a few weeks
(07:22):
every year. It's fun. But you you lead to another
conversation too, just as far as the one and done
is this is it where you need to abolish it.
You need to just get rid of it and let
guys go straight to the league. Let guys who aren't
quite that good stay two three years and not be
deemed you know, unsuccessful. You're are not that good, you
had to stay in college for two or three years. Like,
(07:44):
is it time to have that conversation again? As we
you know, think about this and rehash this conversation based
off of again, Cooper flat would have went straight to it.
He'd have been number one pick, not even touching the
college basketball last year.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I still to this day, you know when they did that,
But that's I blame the players. Players are signed off
on that. There's no way you could be a tennis
player at fourteen, play golf, soccer, you could go you
don't go to college to play Major League Baseball and
go straight to the There's no reason they did that
to try to help the college game and the players
selfishly not wanting those guys to get paid. I just
(08:22):
I can't believe that they would sign off on that
you could go into the military and grab a gun.
You can't play, but you can't play basketball. I mean,
come on, no other place do you stop a prodigy.
You don't stop if a fourteen year old girl can
play at Carnegie Hall, you don't go, oh no, you can't.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Play it in fourteen, yeah, nineteen, yeah, or whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean, it's it's ridiculous, and that the idea that
the union signed off that was one of the worst
things I talk about the NFL players Union. That was
one of the worst moves by the NBA Players Association.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Just a terrible, terrible move and it didn't need to happen.
And it's not I mean football. You could argue, okay,
they're not big enough, they're not strong enough. You could
argue that, and I think most people will go, you
know what kind of makes sense.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I mean, I don't even believe that because there are
prodigies and people who I'm with you on that, and
leave it to the general managers to say you had
physically you're not ready or you're not ready to play.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Why can't they do that? You don't have to make
a rule.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
They're afraid that if you open that door and some
kid who's eighteen or nineteen and he's big and strong
and can play in the league, then you have a thing.
Now you're damaging college football.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
That's all of that. I know. I to completely agree
with that. I was just saying, if you try to
convince someone because of the physicality, you can now, okay,
I can kind of understand that NBA makes no sense.
I mean, if you look at some of the best
players in the last thirty years, forty years, they all
come straight out of high school. I mean, Dwight Howard,
Lebron Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett. I mean, we can go
down the list. There's a bunch of guys who are
(09:54):
really and then someone will say, but there some weren't well.
You know how many two three four year guys weren't
good either. With you, it makes no sense. No other
sport does it this way. If Steve Jobs and Bill
Gates want to start a big time company in their
garage at nineteen twenty, they can do that. Nobody telling
them you can have a business until you're twenty one.
(10:14):
Completely as actually very un American, as far as from
a capitalist standpoint, you know what I mean, Who's gonna
hold somebody back that can't can't get money and do
well for themselves and their family? Doesn't make sense. So
I'm totally with you on that.
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Speaker 1 (10:37):
We've been having our Aaron Rodgers conversation because he's pretty
much got everybody waiting to find out what's what and
where he decides to go. Rob g a couple of
teams obviously waiting to see what he's gonna do. Even
have the owner of the Steelers having some thoughts on
Aaron Rodgers holding him hostage.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yeah, so it was actually the former GM Doug Whaley,
and he some local raid every once in a while
in San Diego on ninety seven point three, and of
course they.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Had an NFL hotbed of course.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
So but you know, naturally when Aaron Rodgers' name is available,
he's going to come up a conversation. So the very
first question they asked him was about Aaron Rodgers and
this you know rumor that the Pittsburgh Steelers are having
an open invitation areas, Hey, if you want to come
back and if you want to play football again, here's
(11:28):
the number one going to offer you come play for us.
As far as we know, Aaron Rodgers is still not
closer decision. But here's what Wayley said about what's going
on with Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
If I'm Omar Kahn and I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers, one
you shouldn't be surprised, and two you have to sit
down and really think about do we want to sign
up for this? Because he's set on the table in
the president early it's all about Aaron Rodgers and it
has nothing to do with.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
The Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
He's going to hold the whole franchise hostage on waiting
for him to make a decision. But that's part for
the course when you deal with a guy like Aaron Rodgers.
So you have to make sure you really want this
not only in your locker room, but to be the
face of your franchise.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
It's not going to be the Pittsburgh Steelers anymore. It's
going to be Aaron Rodgers Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
He was passionate about that, He had all the thoughts. So, look, man,
one thing I don't want to do if I'm a
franchise I don't want to be left on red by
Aaron Rodgers. I don't want to be left just oh,
thank you, I heard you. But I'll get back to you.
And there are reports that it could be matter of
a week. There's reports that it could be a matter
of four weeks before the team's hear back from him.
(12:41):
And if your organization, to me, you have mismanaged your
quarterback situation if you are this late in the game
and you don't have a quarterback and be you're waiting
around for Aaron Rodgers, who has one of the all
time greats. But at this point in time, I don't
believe is a great option for your franchise, trying to
move forward. So I look at it as like when
you watch those movies back in the eighties, all those
(13:04):
John Hughes films, and it's like a prom day, Right,
You're waiting around, he's gonna ask me, he's gonna ask me.
I know he's gonna ask me. He's gonna ask me,
and you mess around, you're gonna be going to prom
by yourself or what's your best friend, and making like
it's a gallantines thing, like you meant to do it
when you really were waiting on that guy to ask you.
And Aaron Rodgers holding these teams hotage just kind of
crazy to me because I can't believe this is the
(13:24):
guy that's holding them hostage at this place in his career.
Nine years ago makes all the sense in the world,
not even maybe two three years ago with the Jets.
Even then it kind of made sense. You get why
the Jets would do that. But at this current date,
especially with the Steelers, it's like, all right, you're supposed
to be the Pittsburgh Steelers and you are being held hostage,
don't know what you're doing. Your plan b allegedly and
(13:44):
they called it a distant Plan B is Russell Wilson.
What if he messed around the side with the Giants,
And now what are you gonna do if Aaron Rodgers
decides to do something else will retire or if Minnesota
last minute comes in, Now you're stuck. So I just
believe they mismanaged their quarterback situations and I aint go on
here waiting on him being left on red by Aaron
Rodgers and again they're gonna mess around and go to
prime by hisself.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, I think it's the biggest non story. He's a
free agent. He's able to mull over offers by different
teams and try to figure out what he wants to do.
There's no timetable. The season doesn't start next week. I mean,
this is free agency. He doesn't have to sign or
pick a team right away. This is a period that
he has a time to look it over figure out
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what's the best fit for him. This is gonna be
his last stop. So this makes sense to me and
for all the people say he's terrible, washed up, how
is he holding a franchise hostage? Then if he's no good,
there are at least two teams for sure, maybe three
who are interested that's because there are no quarterbacks. I
don't know what league you guys are looking at and
(14:49):
keep acting like, oh, there's just a pluthorw of quarterbacks
out there and they can just pick people.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
There's nobody, there's nobody.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
There's nobody out there, and that's why he's going to
have the attention of a couple of teams. And they
hope if they were so held ben em or not waiting,
they could have all rescinded their offers and said thank you,
but no, thank you. Did anybody do that? No, because
they don't have a quarterback. It's called free agency. What
(15:20):
they're mad because he's trying to make a decision.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I've never even heard anything like this.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
He has to make a snap decision for who the
season starts in six months, for who is the training camp? Yeah,
right after the draft in April. I don't so it's
not today. So if it's of Monday, is at the
end of the world. I'm serious, I'm held hostage. No,
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if you don't want the guy, tell them thank you,
but no, thanks for pulling back our offer. That's all
the stealers have to do. So they're obviously fine that
Aaron Rodgers told them, let me think about to let
me make my decision. I want to see what's the
best fit for me. They obviously know what's going on
and that and that he's gonna make a decision, and
that's why they're waiting. Otherwise they would have just hey,
(16:11):
Russell Wilson, come back, don't go to Cleveland, just sign you.
They could have done that.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
They don't want to do that, and that is why
I believe they mismanaged their quarterback situation. Now you're in
a situation where you're banking on him when he could
ultimately say I retire, I'm going to the Giants. Hey,
you know what, Minnesota, they actually just offered me something.
I'm gonna go up there. I'm gonna tach his kids. Yeah,
but they don't want to be in the they still
want to be in the lottery. That's why they haven't
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pulled it that. It's not mismanaging. You have a chance
to get a quarterback. And if you think, if you think,
you have all the other stuff that goes with it.
So so so he's got a chance. You have a chance.
You have the running game, you have the defense, you
got all these other things. You just got Uh, some
dynamic wide receivers, like like you want to you want
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to win a playoff game, you want to make a run,
and they're all quarterbacks out there. And if you watch
him closely and just stop with the record, have you
watched him, because we talk about it all the time.
He played better later on in the season. He did,
but that was the thing when you watched him, he
wasn't making the winning plays. He wasn't making the winning drives.
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And nobody say he sucks. Aaron Rodgers is still talented.
Nobody says that. I'm saying, if you're the Steelers, you're
supposed to be in a position where you have your guy.
You had ever won a playoff game. That's the point.
You've been mismagic. But that's what I'm saying, Rob They've
been mismanaging is for so long that now they're betting,
they're pleading and begging a forty one to two forty two
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during the season year old to be their answer. And
I'm saying, you've missmanager. So where is this is the
position one of the premier franchises. So okay, the.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Vikings have mismanaged to is that what they've done. They
won fourteen games. But they still aren't saying for sure
that JJ's going to be there.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Trying to get the cherry on top. They're just trying
to have their cake and eat it too. I have
our guy and JJ that we just sent Sam Donald away.
Maybe have a veteran backup, or they're not trying to
be the backup.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
If he goes to Minnesota, he's not going anywhere to
be anybody's back.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Then they are just mulling around. They don't have too much,
you know, to play with. You think you're gonna be
the backup to JJ McCarthy. Maybe he won't, But that's
my point. They know they have their.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Way, the only way JJ would plays if he got hurt.
Aaron Rodgers got hurt, He's not going there to be
a back guy.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
But they know you got, yes, you got.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
You could sit there. Aaron Rodgers sat for three years
and he's going to the Hall of Fame. You can sit.
It ain't the end of the world if you don't
play right away. And I'm sure that they get but
if we have a chance to get Aaron Rodgers for
a year or two, and you can learn from this
guy and see what he does, how he prepares whatever
it is.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And that just makes no sense for me, Minnesota, absolutely
no sense. You literally had your guy who got to
watch for a year because he couldn't play because he
was injured, and you're never gonna get to start the
clock starting until it starts, so he's already had his year.
He waited around, he watched, He watched a really good.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Waiting for three years too, and now and last day
they gave him two hundred million dollar.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
No, no, no, I'm not opposed to waiting when it makes sense.
Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre, Jordan Lovet, set behind
Aaron Rodgers, prime, Aaron Rodgers. But they still they.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Sat behind, They sat behind future Hall of famers.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
It's not right, That's what I'm saying. So I'm not
who would he be sitting behind now a forty something
you're on Aaron Rodgers. Nah, I'm straight bruh. We're gonna
start this thing off the JJ McCarthy run. This is
the era of J. J. McCarthy, So makes zero sense
for them to go there. You might toss around if.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You totally disagree. I just when you have a chance
to what, Rob, what do you mean to do? What
they won fourteen games last year with Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Aaron, he absolutely is.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
That's why they That's why they walked away from him.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
No, he's not. He's better than Aaron Rodgers, was better
than He's not top ten quarterback, better than Aaron Rodgers,
Sam Donald, that's why they they banished him the Seattle
on a team with no offensive line, that because they
have JJ McCarthy. No, that's not the guy they or
they wouldn't be interested in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Come on, man, you're not even making sense.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
What do you mean you have JJ McCarthy. Why why
are you interested in Aaron Rodgers? Do I need multiple
quarterbacks on the team. No, I'm asking you, he's not
the backup quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Would you stop saying that because not going to Minnesota?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Dude tossing around, Hey, let's just talk to him. Let's
just see what's going on there.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
They are doing Rogers will go to Minnesota to be
JJ McCarthy's backup.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Do you even hear yourself? I'm saying the Vikings are
doing their due diligence. We have our guy in the future.
Flat out. That's not no dispute. Not a single person
disputes that we know that, and they're just kicking the
tires and see what else around because for them it's
a win win. We got our guy. JJ is the future,
flat out and that's what they're doing. So to me,
not even makes sense at this point. Move forward and
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the JJ era and the Steelers again put themselves in
a situation where now they're relying and waiting on him
because God knows what they'll do if he decides to retire,
or if he decides to go to the Giants or
something like that. The Steelers with that, does Russell Wilson
want to be seconds? Oops are bad? Russ were was
playing with you? Man? Can you come on back? Like?
How does that work? He don't have a job.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I mean, what choice does he have. He doesn't have
a job.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
If they said you're gonna come back and be the
starting quarterback, he's gonna say no.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
He might wait Jo I'm saying, he might wait around
and see what the Browns do, wait around and see
what the Giants do. He might not want to go
back to that situation. You ain't want me. You want
to go get him.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
As soon as somebody offers you the job. I'm telling you,
at that age, in this situation, you're gonna take it.
If they say we want you to be the starting
quarterback next year, we looked around, we think you still
are the best options that tell Aaron Rodgers to take it.
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Speaker 4 (22:03):
Flags injury and whether or not it has any impact.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I mean, there's some rumors stuff floating around that, Okay,
he doesn't play in the ACC tournament, but if he
doesn't play, you know, selection Sunday Sunday, it's coming Sunday,
So after the ACC Tournament, if they don't think he's playing,
I don't know how you could affect the team's ranking,
like just because he's not there. I think that would
(22:27):
be totally unfair. If they have the best record and
one of the best four records to lead, why in
the world would you change it because he's not gonna play,
or even the idea of it. I mean, I don't
think that they can definitively say he won't play under
any circumstance anything break his leg or something like that,
(22:49):
or have an injury of that ilk.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I don't know why they.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Would would penalize Duke as a whole considering what they
did all year. Shouldn't it be about the team and
about the record. Yeah, undred percent right, it's about what
we did to get to this point. Because after that.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Point, anything can happen, right, Injuries can happen, a coach
just has a bad game, coach gets ill. I mean,
there's a million things that can happen after this. But
it's all the work, the whole collective, the team put
in to get us to this point, to have hopefully
possibly in their minds, the easiest route to get to
the Final four or the least challenging route to get there. So, yeah,
(23:24):
all of a sudden have revision is history because the
guy might not be fully healthy. It's not fair, it's
not And again it goes against what it's supposed to
be about. Right, it's supposed to be about amateurism and
putting all integrity and you're playing your hardest, and you know,
you use a meritocracy. What you put in, you're gonna
get out and all that kind of stuff. And to
not do that to me goes against the It poses
(23:47):
all of those things. Duke did what they're supposed to do.
All the guys play hard. If they were to be
outs in the first round, that's just what would happen.
But you're supposed to give them the opportunity to compete
where they're supposed to be for all the work they
did the other thirty semi games.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, and it's not just him, I mean, that would
be unfair to just look at him.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
There are other players on the team, got great players.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Call on that kind of stuff, and then what would
you do if you know you don't You don't change
where you are as far as being at the top
of a bracket. If somebody gets hurt during the tournament,
do you go like, Okay, well, if you don't have
your best player, now we're gonna drop.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
This.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Right. You don't have a selection Thursday now right. It
just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
So I think I get the impact, and I guess
you know, it happened in college football, which is kind
of weird, uh and circumstances. I just think it's unfair
to the rest of the team. Uh And and hopefully
it won't affect where they rank, and and they should
get a number one seeds as scheduled.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, it shouldn't happen in either sport. But I think
it's even more of a reason it shouldn't happen in
basketball because there's other guys. Like if you're Louisville and
you had Lamar Jackson and he was just all World
Heisman guy, he goes down, I could see they shouldn't
be But I could see why they say, all right,
this is this is different. Louisville's chances have now changing
college football playoffs. I don't know about, but they shouldn't be.
(25:09):
But but you had to get that record to get there,
and everybody contributed. I'm completely in agreement. But my only
pot I was saying, especially in college basketball, wor it
with a duke team like dude, they have other guys
that can hold it down and make a run for
a week and week and a half until he would
have been back, or even if he weren't to be back,
that they've earned that spot. So yeah, it doesn't make
any sense to me. I go back to what you said.
I agree, they've earned the right to simply be where
(25:33):
they're supposed to be, and you can't take that from
him because of an injury. That makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
It's gonna be very very interesting just to see and
whether or not. You know, I think Flag should play
if he's healthy. If he's hurt, I would not rush back.
I wouldn't do anything crazy, you know. I remember we
had this big controversy with Zion Williamson when he got
hurt and blew out a sneaker and all that, and
(25:58):
people were telling them, oh, you're gonna be the first pick.
Don't play again, you don't need to play. And I'm like, dude,
if you're twenty years old you don't want to play,
something's wrong with that. If you're healthy, if you're healthy,
I'm the first one to raise my hand. If you're
not healthy, don't play. But if you're healthy, why wouldn't
you play. If you don't play at nineteen and twenty,
(26:18):
when are you playing thirty seven years old?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I got it right at that point, right, Nah, broh,
go ahead, go the only I'm I always am a
big believer in that. But the flip side to that
would be when people don't want people to play in
ball games, they'll say, ah, perfect and fine, I just
don't want a ball be come maybe be a toy.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Because you see that's different from the standpoint of you
can get hurt and it damages what's going to happen
for your future.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
But that's why they would say the same thing in
the tournament. I'm zion, but the flag what if I
twist my ankle?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Lick, But the tournament is different most of the ball
games that people they don't sit out if if you're
in the college football playoff and have a chance to
win a national cham Now, if somebody did that, I
would question them. If the top quarterback is playing for
Alabama or one of these schools and they decide, well,
I'm going to high in the draft, I'm not going
to play in the championship game. I don't want that guy.
(27:17):
But if you're telling me it'll be playing in a
meaningless bowl game that has no ramifications.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I'm not winning anything that game. I'm not playing it.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
And football is different from basketball because football.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
You can literally get hurt on every snap.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It's just a big difference. Will I'm a big fan
of playing man because to as much as the ultimate
goal is getting to the pros, whatever the sport is,
it's also, dude, you get to have a full life
and hopefully Lord willing, and so if you can have
that experience, if your Cooper Flag or in a case
you brought up Zion, you got to play in a tournament,
you know you're going to the league, you get drafted
to the league, you have your NBA career. Like to me,
(27:54):
that's just adding on to the richness of your life,
experiences of your life. And if you get in our opportunity,
and especially if you're a Zion, a Cooper Flag or
these type of guys, even if you get injured, you're
still gonna get drafted. Kyrie Irving blew his was it
knee out in college only played like six games. Maybe
we're still the number one pick. Like when you're that guy,
you're gonna be that guy, you know, especially in college
(28:16):
basketball where they identify, oh, you're the number one pick.
So go ahead and have fullness of life, get your
March madness on. Then get to go to the pros
and have some fun and for as long as your
career lasts as well, because these are the experience, and
that's sometimes we forget. We're always telling to get to
the money, but sometimes just sometimes these experiences matter equally
as much as the money of the brand. Too
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
College basketball March Madness is selection Sunday?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Is this Sunday? And there's news about Cooper Flag?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah? And it's not good news. No, I mean, he's
literally the star right now. You can say the face
keeping college basketball for men live or the how good
is he? How's good is Duke? Could he do in
the league? Will he be that great in the NBA?
And so all of a sudden he's down. Rob g
tell us a little bit more about this Anco injury. Yeah,
(00:56):
if you saw the video, it was all bad. Now.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
He went up for a rebound down on somebody's foot
and immediately went down in pain. He had to have
teammates carry him off the floor. He gets to the sideline,
He's immediately put in a wheelchair. They wheel him to
the back. If you saw the video, and the still
shot of his ankle, it looked like a grapefruit.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It is swollen. Immediately he goes to the.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Back, they retape him, and to his credit, he came
back to the silent and didn't stay in the back,
stood with his team. Obviously, wasn't walking, wasn't movie immediately
ruled out after the game, He's ruled out at least
for the rest of the ACC tournament to be determined
on his future for March Madness, well.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I'm glad you said that that phrase. You just said there,
March madness, because that's what we all look forward to.
A lot of people even take the day off the
first day or two. They're all excited about it because
that's what it's about. It's about this the brackets, your friends,
got your wings going, you're excited about it. If Cooper
Flag goes out, it goes from March madness to March sadness.
(01:58):
Because here's this singular face of college basketball, Monte. You
know it's the truth. March Madness will be March sadage.
You can't name four of you can't even make a
starting five, You can't name four other players in college basketball.
He has been the story he has been the face,
and he has been the intrigue and what people are
watching to see. How will he do in his first tournament?
(02:18):
How will he stay at dude, because he doesn't want
to go to the Charlotte Hornets, who might draft him?
You know, will he ball out and be a Carmelo
Anthony type, go through your freshman year, be the star,
win a championship. He's what everybody wants to see. And
if he's out, and which is why I think they
are saying at least a tournament, but not saying further
because they don't want to lose any juice of it. Man,
(02:39):
So this is big for college basketball. They don't have
many stars the men's side, the opposite of the women's
They have a handful of stars, and they had a
hand even more last year. The college men's college basketball
doesn't have stars. They're not pumping them out like this,
and he is a face of it, and it'll be
very disappointing if he's not there, because whether you love
him or hate him, you'll watch. Whether you love or
hate Duke, you'll watch. And it's still an American pastime.
(03:02):
March madness will watch it. But that buzz that entrigu
I think will be down some without him.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Rob, Yeah, I don't buy into that.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I think he is the guy people want to watch
and are you looking at Duke or whatever? As always,
But March Madness is bigger than that. It's about schools, alumni.
It's about people the first round. They're looking for an upset.
They don't know most of the schools, small schools. They
don't know who the players are. People if they give
(03:31):
you a bracket, they're going by the color of their
uniform or what their mascot is.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
They don't know most We don't know most of the
guys here.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's not like the old days where guys played three
or four years.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Sure we know who he.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Is, but the tournament is not gonna go away, or
people aren't gonna watch. They haven't been watching for years
because that the best players aren't in college basketball.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
They're in the NBA. So we get that.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
But I don't think, oh my god, and the tournament
or don't watch because Cooper Flack Duke does play every
night and people are still looking for upsets.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
People are looking to see their school.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
If you're went to Saint John's and now Rick Patino's
there and now they got a good program. There's interest there.
What is Saint John's all about. There's a lot of
other stories there. Granted he's a star part of it,
but March Madness is bigger than just one guy with
him maybe not playing.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I don't disagree with that at all. I think this
is the fun part of it is seeing a Wichita state.
But I think it's just a crazy part we're at
because you recall, depending on your air right, if you
want to go to the eighties, the nineties or the
two thousands, early two thousands, Man March Madness had stars
on a lot of the teams. You knew three to
(04:46):
four to five of the players, and it was just
it was great and you always got to see the
small team. You didn't know the underdog that David to
a David and Goliath story. But it is just mind
boggling to me now how you just don't even know
any of the players. And it's just to me, that's
what I was thinking. When I saw Cooper Cooper flag
go down. I was like, man, you really don't like
that's the guy. You know, whether you see all the games,
(05:09):
whether you know you watch ten of the Duke's games,
you at least knew him. You knew the Okay, here's
that kid. Let me see, everybody's be talking about him
for two or three years. Now, you knew that. And
end is just interesting how far we've come from my era.
You know, if you want to say, like the Formidable years,
the nineties with the UNLV's the Fab fives, you can
pick any iteration of the Duke team to a North
Carolina team, to some of those North Carolina state teams
(05:31):
with Wan dickxs, I mean in the early two thousands,
like having a run of knowing teams, knowing how they're built,
knowing that the rivalries. They don't like that guy, they
don't like that guy, that team that's beef with that
team that was part of the intrigue, as well as
the unknowns and the teams of small teams. And it's
just we've come a long way, Rob where we don't
like that's it. It's your alum, you're an alumni of
(05:53):
a school, your alma maters playing or like you said,
it just I just want to see David beat Goliath
like there's no more. Oh, I know, Rashid Wallace, Jerry
Stackhouse and coda and that you know those those North
Carolina teams want to go up against them and ooh,
it's like you don't know anyone, And that's It's just
I was thinking, like, how far we've come in that regard.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, I mean, sure, do you want cooper a flag
to be there, Sure you do. But I just think
March madness is just about at this point now, and
we've been through it for a long time. This is
not the old college basketball twenty years ago. Plenty of
people haven't gone to college to play some of the
biggest stars, or they've played had a cup of coffee
(06:33):
in the sweet role in college because they were forced to.
So I just think people are like about faceless, nameless players.
But they're looking at uniforms at my Alma Mada in
my school and it's a it's a reason to it's
just a hang out and have beer and chicken wings.
And most of the time they don't know who the
players are. I've watched the coverage. Some of the analysts
(06:55):
doing this stuff doing the college basketball don't know who
the guys are, so how to fit them to I
didn't say shack hey.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
But yeah, you can't be mad at shack. I mean,
because nobody knows in this regard, and it's an excuse, right,
It's excuse to hang out by the water cooler at
your job. It's an excuse to go over to Bob's
you know station at your job. And because he's got
the computer going up with five or six different games.
It's all fun. We all love it. Listen. It's just
one of those things. That's why I said, it's like
an American pastime. We do this for a few weeks
(07:22):
every year. It's fun. But you you lead to another
conversation too, just as far as the one and done
is this is it where you need to abolish it.
You need to just get rid of it and let
guys go straight to the league. Let guys who aren't
quite that good stay two three years and not be
deemed you know, unsuccessful. You're are not that good, you
had to stay in college for two or three years. Like,
(07:44):
is it time to have that conversation again? As we
you know, think about this and rehash this conversation based
off of again, Cooper flat would have went straight to it.
He'd have been number one pick, not even touching the
college basketball last year.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I still to this day, you know when they did that,
But that's I blame the players. Players are signed off
on that. There's no way you could be a tennis
player at fourteen, play golf, soccer, you could go you
don't go to college to play Major League Baseball and
go straight to the There's no reason they did that
to try to help the college game and the players
selfishly not wanting those guys to get paid. I just
(08:22):
I can't believe that they would sign off on that
you could go into the military and grab a gun.
You can't play, but you can't play basketball. I mean,
come on, no other place do you stop a prodigy.
You don't stop if a fourteen year old girl can
play at Carnegie Hall, you don't go, oh no, you can't.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Play it in fourteen, yeah, nineteen, yeah, or whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean, it's it's ridiculous, and that the idea that
the union signed off that was one of the worst
things I talk about the NFL players Union. That was
one of the worst moves by the NBA Players Association.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Just a terrible, terrible move and it didn't need to happen.
And it's not I mean football. You could argue, okay,
they're not big enough, they're not strong enough. You could
argue that, and I think most people will go, you
know what kind of makes sense.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I mean, I don't even believe that because there are
prodigies and people who I'm with you on that, and
leave it to the general managers to say you had
physically you're not ready or you're not ready to play.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Why can't they do that? You don't have to make
a rule.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
They're afraid that if you open that door and some
kid who's eighteen or nineteen and he's big and strong
and can play in the league, then you have a thing.
Now you're damaging college football.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
That's all of that. I know. I to completely agree
with that. I was just saying, if you try to
convince someone because of the physicality, you can now, okay,
I can kind of understand that NBA makes no sense.
I mean, if you look at some of the best
players in the last thirty years, forty years, they all
come straight out of high school. I mean, Dwight Howard,
Lebron Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett. I mean, we can go
down the list. There's a bunch of guys who are
(09:54):
really and then someone will say, but there some weren't well.
You know how many two three four year guys weren't
good either. With you, it makes no sense. No other
sport does it this way. If Steve Jobs and Bill
Gates want to start a big time company in their
garage at nineteen twenty, they can do that. Nobody telling
them you can have a business until you're twenty one.
(10:14):
Completely as actually very un American, as far as from
a capitalist standpoint, you know what I mean, Who's gonna
hold somebody back that can't can't get money and do
well for themselves and their family? Doesn't make sense. So
I'm totally with you on that.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
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Speaker 1 (10:37):
We've been having our Aaron Rodgers conversation because he's pretty
much got everybody waiting to find out what's what and
where he decides to go. Rob g a couple of
teams obviously waiting to see what he's gonna do. Even
have the owner of the Steelers having some thoughts on
Aaron Rodgers holding him hostage.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yeah, so it was actually the former GM Doug Whaley,
and he some local raid every once in a while
in San Diego on ninety seven point three, and of
course they.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Had an NFL hotbed of course.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
So but you know, naturally when Aaron Rodgers' name is available,
he's going to come up a conversation. So the very
first question they asked him was about Aaron Rodgers and
this you know rumor that the Pittsburgh Steelers are having
an open invitation areas, Hey, if you want to come
back and if you want to play football again, here's
(11:28):
the number one going to offer you come play for us.
As far as we know, Aaron Rodgers is still not
closer decision. But here's what Wayley said about what's going
on with Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
If I'm Omar Kahn and I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers, one
you shouldn't be surprised, and two you have to sit
down and really think about do we want to sign
up for this? Because he's set on the table in
the president early it's all about Aaron Rodgers and it
has nothing to do with.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
The Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
He's going to hold the whole franchise hostage on waiting
for him to make a decision. But that's part for
the course when you deal with a guy like Aaron Rodgers.
So you have to make sure you really want this
not only in your locker room, but to be the
face of your franchise.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
It's not going to be the Pittsburgh Steelers anymore. It's
going to be Aaron Rodgers Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
He was passionate about that, He had all the thoughts. So, look, man,
one thing I don't want to do if I'm a
franchise I don't want to be left on red by
Aaron Rodgers. I don't want to be left just oh,
thank you, I heard you. But I'll get back to you.
And there are reports that it could be matter of
a week. There's reports that it could be a matter
of four weeks before the team's hear back from him.
(12:41):
And if your organization, to me, you have mismanaged your
quarterback situation if you are this late in the game
and you don't have a quarterback and be you're waiting
around for Aaron Rodgers, who has one of the all
time greats. But at this point in time, I don't
believe is a great option for your franchise, trying to
move forward. So I look at it as like when
you watch those movies back in the eighties, all those
(13:04):
John Hughes films, and it's like a prom day, Right,
You're waiting around, he's gonna ask me, he's gonna ask me.
I know he's gonna ask me. He's gonna ask me,
and you mess around, you're gonna be going to prom
by yourself or what's your best friend, and making like
it's a gallantines thing, like you meant to do it
when you really were waiting on that guy to ask you.
And Aaron Rodgers holding these teams hotage just kind of
crazy to me because I can't believe this is the
(13:24):
guy that's holding them hostage at this place in his career.
Nine years ago makes all the sense in the world,
not even maybe two three years ago with the Jets.
Even then it kind of made sense. You get why
the Jets would do that. But at this current date,
especially with the Steelers, it's like, all right, you're supposed
to be the Pittsburgh Steelers and you are being held hostage,
don't know what you're doing. Your plan b allegedly and
(13:44):
they called it a distant Plan B is Russell Wilson.
What if he messed around the side with the Giants,
And now what are you gonna do if Aaron Rodgers
decides to do something else will retire or if Minnesota
last minute comes in, Now you're stuck. So I just
believe they mismanaged their quarterback situations and I aint go on
here waiting on him being left on red by Aaron
Rodgers and again they're gonna mess around and go to
prime by hisself.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, I think it's the biggest non story. He's a
free agent. He's able to mull over offers by different
teams and try to figure out what he wants to do.
There's no timetable. The season doesn't start next week. I mean,
this is free agency. He doesn't have to sign or
pick a team right away. This is a period that
he has a time to look it over figure out
(14:27):
what's the best fit for him. This is gonna be
his last stop. So this makes sense to me and
for all the people say he's terrible, washed up, how
is he holding a franchise hostage? Then if he's no good,
there are at least two teams for sure, maybe three
who are interested that's because there are no quarterbacks. I
don't know what league you guys are looking at and
(14:49):
keep acting like, oh, there's just a pluthorw of quarterbacks
out there and they can just pick people.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
There's nobody, there's nobody.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
There's nobody out there, and that's why he's going to
have the attention of a couple of teams. And they
hope if they were so held ben em or not waiting,
they could have all rescinded their offers and said thank you,
but no, thank you. Did anybody do that? No, because
they don't have a quarterback. It's called free agency. What
(15:20):
they're mad because he's trying to make a decision.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I've never even heard anything like this.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
He has to make a snap decision for who the
season starts in six months, for who is the training camp? Yeah,
right after the draft in April. I don't so it's
not today. So if it's of Monday, is at the
end of the world. I'm serious, I'm held hostage. No,
(15:48):
if you don't want the guy, tell them thank you,
but no, thanks for pulling back our offer. That's all
the stealers have to do. So they're obviously fine that
Aaron Rodgers told them, let me think about to let
me make my decision. I want to see what's the
best fit for me. They obviously know what's going on
and that and that he's gonna make a decision, and
that's why they're waiting. Otherwise they would have just hey,
(16:11):
Russell Wilson, come back, don't go to Cleveland, just sign you.
They could have done that.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
They don't want to do that, and that is why
I believe they mismanaged their quarterback situation. Now you're in
a situation where you're banking on him when he could
ultimately say I retire, I'm going to the Giants. Hey,
you know what, Minnesota, they actually just offered me something.
I'm gonna go up there. I'm gonna tach his kids. Yeah,
but they don't want to be in the they still
want to be in the lottery. That's why they haven't
(16:37):
pulled it that. It's not mismanaging. You have a chance
to get a quarterback. And if you think, if you think,
you have all the other stuff that goes with it.
So so so he's got a chance. You have a chance.
You have the running game, you have the defense, you
got all these other things. You just got Uh, some
dynamic wide receivers, like like you want to you want
(16:57):
to win a playoff game, you want to make a run,
and they're all quarterbacks out there. And if you watch
him closely and just stop with the record, have you
watched him, because we talk about it all the time.
He played better later on in the season. He did,
but that was the thing when you watched him, he
wasn't making the winning plays. He wasn't making the winning drives.
(17:20):
And nobody say he sucks. Aaron Rodgers is still talented.
Nobody says that. I'm saying, if you're the Steelers, you're
supposed to be in a position where you have your guy.
You had ever won a playoff game. That's the point.
You've been mismagic. But that's what I'm saying, Rob They've
been mismanaging is for so long that now they're betting,
they're pleading and begging a forty one to two forty two
(17:42):
during the season year old to be their answer. And
I'm saying, you've missmanager. So where is this is the
position one of the premier franchises. So okay, the.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Vikings have mismanaged to is that what they've done. They
won fourteen games. But they still aren't saying for sure
that JJ's going to be there.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Trying to get the cherry on top. They're just trying
to have their cake and eat it too. I have
our guy and JJ that we just sent Sam Donald away.
Maybe have a veteran backup, or they're not trying to
be the backup.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
If he goes to Minnesota, he's not going anywhere to
be anybody's back.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Then they are just mulling around. They don't have too much,
you know, to play with. You think you're gonna be
the backup to JJ McCarthy. Maybe he won't, But that's
my point. They know they have their.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Way, the only way JJ would plays if he got hurt.
Aaron Rodgers got hurt, He's not going there to be
a back guy.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
But they know you got, yes, you got.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
You could sit there. Aaron Rodgers sat for three years
and he's going to the Hall of Fame. You can sit.
It ain't the end of the world if you don't
play right away. And I'm sure that they get but
if we have a chance to get Aaron Rodgers for
a year or two, and you can learn from this
guy and see what he does, how he prepares whatever
it is.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And that just makes no sense for me, Minnesota, absolutely
no sense. You literally had your guy who got to
watch for a year because he couldn't play because he
was injured, and you're never gonna get to start the
clock starting until it starts, so he's already had his year.
He waited around, he watched, He watched a really good.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Waiting for three years too, and now and last day
they gave him two hundred million dollar.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
No, no, no, I'm not opposed to waiting when it makes sense.
Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre, Jordan Lovet, set behind
Aaron Rodgers, prime, Aaron Rodgers. But they still they.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Sat behind, They sat behind future Hall of famers.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
It's not right, That's what I'm saying. So I'm not
who would he be sitting behind now a forty something
you're on Aaron Rodgers. Nah, I'm straight bruh. We're gonna
start this thing off the JJ McCarthy run. This is
the era of J. J. McCarthy, So makes zero sense
for them to go there. You might toss around if.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You totally disagree. I just when you have a chance
to what, Rob, what do you mean to do? What
they won fourteen games last year with Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Aaron, he absolutely is.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
That's why they That's why they walked away from him.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
No, he's not. He's better than Aaron Rodgers, was better
than He's not top ten quarterback, better than Aaron Rodgers,
Sam Donald, that's why they they banished him the Seattle
on a team with no offensive line, that because they
have JJ McCarthy. No, that's not the guy they or
they wouldn't be interested in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Come on, man, you're not even making sense.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
What do you mean you have JJ McCarthy. Why why
are you interested in Aaron Rodgers? Do I need multiple
quarterbacks on the team. No, I'm asking you, he's not
the backup quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Would you stop saying that because not going to Minnesota?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Dude tossing around, Hey, let's just talk to him. Let's
just see what's going on there.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
They are doing Rogers will go to Minnesota to be
JJ McCarthy's backup.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Do you even hear yourself? I'm saying the Vikings are
doing their due diligence. We have our guy in the future.
Flat out. That's not no dispute. Not a single person
disputes that we know that, and they're just kicking the
tires and see what else around because for them it's
a win win. We got our guy. JJ is the future,
flat out and that's what they're doing. So to me,
not even makes sense at this point. Move forward and
(21:01):
the JJ era and the Steelers again put themselves in
a situation where now they're relying and waiting on him
because God knows what they'll do if he decides to retire,
or if he decides to go to the Giants or
something like that. The Steelers with that, does Russell Wilson
want to be seconds? Oops are bad? Russ were was
playing with you? Man? Can you come on back? Like?
How does that work? He don't have a job.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I mean, what choice does he have. He doesn't have
a job.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
If they said you're gonna come back and be the
starting quarterback, he's gonna say no.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
He might wait Jo I'm saying, he might wait around
and see what the Browns do, wait around and see
what the Giants do. He might not want to go
back to that situation. You ain't want me. You want
to go get him.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
As soon as somebody offers you the job. I'm telling you,
at that age, in this situation, you're gonna take it.
If they say we want you to be the starting
quarterback next year, we looked around, we think you still
are the best options that tell Aaron Rodgers to take it.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
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Speaker 4 (22:03):
Flags injury and whether or not it has any impact.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I mean, there's some rumors stuff floating around that, Okay,
he doesn't play in the ACC tournament, but if he
doesn't play, you know, selection Sunday Sunday, it's coming Sunday,
So after the ACC Tournament, if they don't think he's playing,
I don't know how you could affect the team's ranking,
like just because he's not there. I think that would
(22:27):
be totally unfair. If they have the best record and
one of the best four records to lead, why in
the world would you change it because he's not gonna play,
or even the idea of it. I mean, I don't
think that they can definitively say he won't play under
any circumstance anything break his leg or something like that,
(22:49):
or have an injury of that ilk.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I don't know why they.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Would would penalize Duke as a whole considering what they
did all year. Shouldn't it be about the team and
about the record. Yeah, undred percent right, it's about what
we did to get to this point. Because after that.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Point, anything can happen, right, Injuries can happen, a coach
just has a bad game, coach gets ill. I mean,
there's a million things that can happen after this. But
it's all the work, the whole collective, the team put
in to get us to this point, to have hopefully
possibly in their minds, the easiest route to get to
the Final four or the least challenging route to get there. So, yeah,
(23:24):
all of a sudden have revision is history because the
guy might not be fully healthy. It's not fair, it's
not And again it goes against what it's supposed to
be about. Right, it's supposed to be about amateurism and
putting all integrity and you're playing your hardest, and you know,
you use a meritocracy. What you put in, you're gonna
get out and all that kind of stuff. And to
not do that to me goes against the It poses
(23:47):
all of those things. Duke did what they're supposed to do.
All the guys play hard. If they were to be
outs in the first round, that's just what would happen.
But you're supposed to give them the opportunity to compete
where they're supposed to be for all the work they
did the other thirty semi games.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, and it's not just him, I mean, that would
be unfair to just look at him.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
There are other players on the team, got great players.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Call on that kind of stuff, and then what would
you do if you know you don't You don't change
where you are as far as being at the top
of a bracket. If somebody gets hurt during the tournament,
do you go like, Okay, well, if you don't have
your best player, now we're gonna drop.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
This.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Right. You don't have a selection Thursday now right. It
just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
So I think I get the impact, and I guess
you know, it happened in college football, which is kind
of weird, uh and circumstances. I just think it's unfair
to the rest of the team. Uh And and hopefully
it won't affect where they rank, and and they should
get a number one seeds as scheduled.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, it shouldn't happen in either sport. But I think
it's even more of a reason it shouldn't happen in
basketball because there's other guys. Like if you're Louisville and
you had Lamar Jackson and he was just all World
Heisman guy, he goes down, I could see they shouldn't
be But I could see why they say, all right,
this is this is different. Louisville's chances have now changing
college football playoffs. I don't know about, but they shouldn't be.
(25:09):
But but you had to get that record to get there,
and everybody contributed. I'm completely in agreement. But my only
pot I was saying, especially in college basketball, wor it
with a duke team like dude, they have other guys
that can hold it down and make a run for
a week and week and a half until he would
have been back, or even if he weren't to be back,
that they've earned that spot. So yeah, it doesn't make
any sense to me. I go back to what you said.
I agree, they've earned the right to simply be where
(25:33):
they're supposed to be, and you can't take that from
him because of an injury. That makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
It's gonna be very very interesting just to see and
whether or not. You know, I think Flag should play
if he's healthy. If he's hurt, I would not rush back.
I wouldn't do anything crazy, you know. I remember we
had this big controversy with Zion Williamson when he got
hurt and blew out a sneaker and all that, and
(25:58):
people were telling them, oh, you're gonna be the first pick.
Don't play again, you don't need to play. And I'm like, dude,
if you're twenty years old you don't want to play,
something's wrong with that. If you're healthy, if you're healthy,
I'm the first one to raise my hand. If you're
not healthy, don't play. But if you're healthy, why wouldn't
you play. If you don't play at nineteen and twenty,
(26:18):
when are you playing thirty seven years old?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I got it right at that point, right, Nah, broh,
go ahead, go the only I'm I always am a
big believer in that. But the flip side to that
would be when people don't want people to play in
ball games, they'll say, ah, perfect and fine, I just
don't want a ball be come maybe be a toy.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Because you see that's different from the standpoint of you
can get hurt and it damages what's going to happen
for your future.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
But that's why they would say the same thing in
the tournament. I'm zion, but the flag what if I
twist my ankle?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Lick, But the tournament is different most of the ball
games that people they don't sit out if if you're
in the college football playoff and have a chance to
win a national cham Now, if somebody did that, I
would question them. If the top quarterback is playing for
Alabama or one of these schools and they decide, well,
I'm going to high in the draft, I'm not going
to play in the championship game. I don't want that guy.
(27:17):
But if you're telling me it'll be playing in a
meaningless bowl game that has no ramifications.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I'm not winning anything that game. I'm not playing it.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
And football is different from basketball because football.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
You can literally get hurt on every snap.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It's just a big difference. Will I'm a big fan
of playing man because to as much as the ultimate
goal is getting to the pros, whatever the sport is,
it's also, dude, you get to have a full life
and hopefully Lord willing, and so if you can have
that experience, if your Cooper Flag or in a case
you brought up Zion, you got to play in a tournament,
you know you're going to the league, you get drafted
to the league, you have your NBA career. Like to me,
(27:54):
that's just adding on to the richness of your life,
experiences of your life. And if you get in our opportunity,
and especially if you're a Zion, a Cooper Flag or
these type of guys, even if you get injured, you're
still gonna get drafted. Kyrie Irving blew his was it
knee out in college only played like six games. Maybe
we're still the number one pick. Like when you're that guy,
you're gonna be that guy, you know, especially in college
(28:16):
basketball where they identify, oh, you're the number one pick.
So go ahead and have fullness of life, get your
March madness on. Then get to go to the pros
and have some fun and for as long as your
career lasts as well, because these are the experience, and
that's sometimes we forget. We're always telling to get to
the money, but sometimes just sometimes these experiences matter equally
as much as the money of the brand. Too
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