April 15, 2025 • 31 mins
Rob & Kelvin are joined by FSR NBA analyst Eddie House, talk about Nico Harrison’s lack of regret for trading Luka Doncic, and are joined by New Orleans Pelicans analyst Antonio Daniels.
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Getting ready to be joined now by Eddiehouse.
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He is, of course Ammy winning broadcaster and analysts Fox
Sports one. You see him right there, former ANBA shooting guard.
Man used to get buckets, Eddie House, what's up, brother?
Speaker 4 (00:46):
How you doing? Eddie?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Playoff time?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Say what I said?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's playoff time?
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Oh yeah, come on, man. And I don't like how
you said. Nowhere. I don't like how you said you
used to get buckets because I can still get buckets.
That don't ever change. So but okay, but let's let's
let's move on. Let's let's get.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Killing them still.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I ain't killing nobody nowhere wherever I go. You know
what I mean, pull up and I pull up and
show out you know what I mean if I needed to.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Hell, Eddie, what what did you make of how the
Warriors finished the season the loss to the Spurs and
then at home woul a chance? You know what I
mean to be? Uh? Uh in the playoffs, not in
the playing and they lost that game as well. What
did you make of that?
Speaker 5 (01:32):
That's not good? That the reason why I say that's
not good because it's just like how everybody say if
you limp into the season and usually limp out of
the season, and I feel like they limped into the playoffs,
they might prove me wrong because they do have Steph
Curry over there, They got Jimmy over there. Uh can
they you know, ignite playoffs energy in a different way.
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But I would I wouldn't have liked that even if
I was on the team. I mean, if you on
the team, and I don't care if you still you, Jimmy,
you Draymond, anybody on there or the coaching staff. You
don't feel good about how that ended?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
How about this Steve Kerr drawing up a play? You
need a three? Steph curryes the all time three point maker.
He had thirty six in that game, was shooting great
and there's no play or no no play drawing up
for Steph to take that three. It's buddy heel is
that if you're on the bench or in the huddle
or whatever, Eddie, where you where's your head? Does that
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make sense or do you question it?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
No, that doesn't make sense. That's jankie. Yes, I'll say
that's jankie because of this reason right here, is that
Steph was rocking in that forf right.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
That's my point. It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yeah, so he was rocking, So you have to do
some misirection things to try to get him the ball
in him and say, hey, man, if we get you
the ball, just go do what you're doing and we
live and die with whatever you do. But we can't
have a guy that was cold. He came cold off
the bench to take that shot. It wasn't he wasn't
in the game. He came cold off then, by the way,
And I don't uh, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Man.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
You know, Steve curR has done some you know, and
I like Steve Kurr and what he's done with the
Warriors and things like that, but I did not like
how he treated Jason Tatum this summer in the Olympics,
and so he got some questionable things that he's doing
over there. He's like, man, man, what did you want
over here?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, Eddie, let me ask you this. The team that
getting ready to play here in a little bit would
be the Grizzies. Remember, maybe a couple of years ago,
we were like, man, the Grizzlies might be one of
the teams you gotta deal with forever. Now, you know,
they seem like maybe the Okac of nowadays a couple
of years back, but they haven't quite found that rhythm.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Again, what do you make of them this season?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I mean, they still have the bands, they have Moran,
they have you know, Tripled Jay, Like, what's off right now?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
They even got their coach fired, you know a week
or two ago. What's changed?
Speaker 5 (03:52):
They got a star over there in John Morant. But
when I look at it in the totality of the team,
eighty seven octang and I'm not putting that in my
gas tank.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
They ain't supreme.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
No, I'm not putting eighty seven in my gas and
they're in the plan. I'm putting eighty seven in my
gas tank, so are you?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I mean, Like, here is an example, Orlando and the Hawks.
Is that really a playoff series we really want to see?
Or should we just make it for the TA teams
that make it and stop with the play in I mean, really,
why all year they weren't really good, so now we're
supposed to want to watch them in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
No, I will say. The difference is to that is like,
I like the plan for this reason is that eight, seven, eight, nine,
ten is actually playing for something at that particular moment,
as opposed to you know, we just ain't nobody playing
for anything.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, but Eddie that twenty of the thirty teams make
the playoffs. When you do that, you make the regular
season not as important. And I think that's the issue
of it.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
I don't I disagree with you. I disagree. I think
that at the end of the day, like you have
issues like Orlando. You know Orlando was is a really
is a good basketball team. Jamal Mosley has been playing hard.
Uh you know they had to deal with injuries. I
want to say, Uh Holo was out for a while,
uh pa Anthony was out, but Wagner was out for
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a while too. Mo has been out for the Wagner
been out for all seasons right, So and then Franz
Wagner also went out for a particular uh time period.
And so when you look at that, it's like it
gives them an opportunity, if they do get healthy, to
have a chance to at least get into the playoffs,
to feel that because you know, sometimes things happen in
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the regular season, you know, and every team doesn't get
the luck of being the best team, you know, to
be the team that everybody's trying to beat and have
a deep team, and if you lose certain pieces. I mean,
look at Milwaukee. I know Milwaukee is still in the
playoffs right there, but you know they were on the
on the verge of not getting there, and the same
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thing happened. What about the Lakers. The Lakers went down
and then when Lebron came back, they went back up.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You know, now here we we know. You're picking the
Celtics to go to the finals. Who will they play?
Let's just get your thoughts in your final matchup. And
I know the Celtics are winning in four games or
five games, but I don't even want to waste time
on who's gonna win how many games? So just tell
me who are they playing? Who they sweeping at he
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tell me that.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I think that they'll end up playing because, okay see,
the defense travels and they've been the best defense team.
It's gonna come down to, okay see and the Lakers.
The reason why I say the Lakers is because all
os will be on that finals. And you know, money
drives everything.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you get a Lakers Celtic
come on the NBA.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
If that's the case, they wanted. They also wanted Kobe
and Lebron to play together. And guess what happened. Dwight
Howard and Turky Glue they Eddie am I right? I
mean that was the matchup everybody wanted that had those
puppets all year and all that, and guess what happened.
Somebody else had other ideas.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Yeah, why they played Orlando that year, but we beat
them in two thousand and eight before that, you know
what I mean. So it already had happened, so people
have seen it. So it's just going back to no, but.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
It wasn't Lebron. I'm talking about the Lebron Kobe that
we never saw that.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Now we didn't.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Well you know why why, I'm gonna tell you because
Kobe is different than lebron.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Okay, see Eddie about to open. Now, now we got
another twenty minutes we.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Have to go.
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Come on, Eddie, you know that you can't Eddy with
that APPI just dropped his bomb and dip on him
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anything in the world of sports. And we will not
n ot interrupt. So we got a lot to cover
in this next hour. So you just heard I Low
talk about Nico Harrison, the general manager of the Dallas Mavericks,
basically saying he has no regrets he made the trade.
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He's good with it despite where the Mavericks are and
what's happened and you know, with some injuries and whatnot.
And he talked about I know I saw the defense
wins championships and that was the reason that he made
this move. And let's just face it, it's not a
basketball trade, and he can sugarcoat it talk about anything
he wants. They just were out of the Luca business. No,
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thank you. We're not paying three hundred and fifty million
dollars to a twenty five year old who has a
thirty five year old body and who likes to drink
apparently right from the video that ever saw Michael fin
exactly and he loves the hookah, not Luca and all
the other stuff that go out there, exactly. But I
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think his response is the right response. What regret do
you have? You are not going to pay him. This
is above his pay grade. Kelvin. You could give me that. Now,
you could give me a look.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
That.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Okay, if this was about him making a bad trade,
he wouldn't be the general manager. Okay, Like he would not
be the general manager. He's following orders. People work for people.
Is this on you think Nico Harrison one day woke
up and said, I want to be the most hated
guy in Dallas. Come on, man, I don't understand people.
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Do you really believe that's what he did.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
No, you can't trade a twenty five year old top one, two,
three four players, an international star international that you can't
do You can't wake up in trade a even middlely.
Hey guys, I'm thinking trades. Okay, even if he's an
All Star. But it's like, all right, you're gonna trade
Julius Randall.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
He he doesn't regret it, and he shouldn't because those
were the marching orders. We are not n ot under
any circumstances paying that guy three hundred and fifty million dollars.
I don't know why, people, that's not a basketball. Trade
has nothing to do with basketball. This was a financial situation.
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When you decide you're not gonna play it, pay somebody
the Marcus because we bring him up all the time.
The Kings were like, well we can't do anything with him. Now,
what we're gonna do once we give him two hundred
and something million dollars? And what happened? Do you ever
get that deal?
Speaker 6 (12:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
No, he did not, sitting on the couch doing podcasts.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So the issue I have when you keep saying it's
not a basketball I get your point right, this is
they don't believe in him. They don't want to pay
the man three hundred and fifty and so they let
him go, and Nico cannot regret the trade because he
was told and forced to do the trade. Now, he
of course probably weighed in. Here's some options. I got
connections with the Lakers. I was and I did a
(12:40):
lot of great business with Kobe, so I know what's
going on over there, and maybe I know Roba Lincoln.
So yeah, I believe he was heavily involved in the
all right, we're gonna do this. How do we go
about this? And this is where he gets to smoke
from me. If you felt the need to trade Luca,
first of all, it's crazy, but if you did, all right,
I just keep going to these a couple of things, rob.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Number One, you don't trade for Anthony Davis.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
If your whole premise is, oh, we believe he's gonna
have a catastrophic injury, Luca and in five years he's
gonna break down, Well, then you trade for a guy
who's often hurt so much so he has a nickname
Street close and Anthony Davis.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
That's the part I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
If they went out and got some other amazing talent
with a couple of first round picks, and some of
you all right, that's crazy, but least they got a
bunch back, Oh you got Sga, all right, Well, I
get it.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
You got Ann Edwards. Okay, I get it.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
They got rid of him for Anthony Davis, who's six
years older, often hurt. To pair him with Kyrie Irving
often hurt. And he mentioned Kyrie in the conference. He goes,
you know, the Maverick fans were mad at me when
I traded for Kyrie, but then they were happy.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
See that worked out.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
But let me tell you something about Kyrie, who is
a Hall of Famer, had the heck of a career
thus far, Kyrie is often hurt. He had a stretch
of twenty games and fifty games in twenty nine games,
sixty games, then forty games in twenty games in fifty
eight and only fifty this year. So your pair Kyrie
with Anthony Davis, two guys are often hurt. It just
doesn't make sense. And they're both six years older than Luca.
(14:08):
So that's the part that doesn't make sense. Last point
is this, You tell us what we're trying to get
two way players defense wins championship.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Well, I will tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
When you have a general generational talent like a Luca,
let me tell you who won some championships. Who wasn't
the greatest defender Larry Bird, He wasn't Gary Payton, bow
Yo Kic. We know he is not the ken bab Matombo. Steph,
You ain't combining.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Into the basketball thing, which that that that that's not
what this is. Some of the other stuff that he said,
But that stuff is a is a smoke screen. It's
what I'm trying to tell you. Angles if he wants
to go, but that's what he's saying to make it
as if this is about basketball, about defense, about this
about him blowing out his leg or or or or
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foot or something, or he's all your out of shape
or whatever you could say all that stuff. All I'm saying, Kelvin,
I get it. This is this is this was they
didn't want him, like like they didn't want him.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
The only the issue I have when you say that
is I don't think clearly they didn't want him. But
not wanting Luca does can still be wrong like that.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
It can't be wrong if you really believe seriously financially
it's a bad deal for you. So so no, and
you people have given up players and whatnot a situation. No,
I'm talking about where you just decide I'm not going
to sign them. But this financial.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Reason, the reason this is you is because the ELK,
this is Luca this. If this were anybody, it could
even be a top ten player. It could even be
Jason Tatum and you'd be like, oh wow, that's kind
of crazy. But I mean, okay, Luca, there's like three
to four players.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
You just don't know that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
But what m VP has he won? What what championship
has he won? You get that, No, but you're making
it like, oh my god, they gave up a guy
who won them three champs that he hasn't won anything yet.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Because he can't get care No, he literally got you
to the finals. No, no, goes, well we got the finals.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
You don't what you do? Now let's be in the
play in.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
But my point is I understand if it was somebody
you know, like who won two or three champs. This
is not about basketball. I hear what you're saying, and
everything you say makes sense, but it's illogical to equate
it to basketball because the trade does not equal up,
does not make sense.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
So it'll be dark.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Then, get it has to be dark because it can't
just be the money like meaning somebody's gonna get the money.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It is the money. It's not.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
What I'm saying is, let's say they drive someone this summer.
I'm serious, and he ends up being great and in
two years we all go he's the next not whoever,
he's gonna get the money eventually.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So are they just never gonna pay someone the max?
You don't, you don't have the super max tweet fifty. No,
they've never paid anybody that. No.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
What I'm saying, if you get somebody that is that good.
If you get your Aunt Edwards, if you get your SGA,
if you get your Yo Kisch, if you get your Tatum,
but in fact A Jalen and Tatum Jalen don't.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But you don't know if that player has a different mindset,
is not out carousings, not out drinking and smoking. You
don't know. That guy could be the perfect guy, could
be a young Wimby and he's not into any of that.
And it's about bat like. You could have that guy.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I just they just don't believes it's five time first
team NBA Playoff series. Have you looked at him?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yes, and he looks he's in much better shape.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Now, Okay, what I'm asking you. They watched him for
for for five years, six years, they watched him. That
was their chance to evaluate on whether we want to
make this long term investment in somebody. They're the ones
who get Luca gave them doubt, not because it's not
as basketball ability, it's the other stuff that gave them
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doubt to say, no, we don't want to sign a
long term deal.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Let me throw this at that's all.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
And this is this is a real This is really
where I'm I want you to help illuminate enlighten me then,
because the math ain't math in two plus two or
six right now. Mark Cuban swore by this guy. I
mean literally hip to hip everywhere he goes.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
This is my Mark Cuban is the end all beyond, no, no.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
He's the one who had the guy his whole career.
He drafted him, he swore by him. This is my
new dirt. So excited, I will leave my wife before
I leave him. This is the guy sells the team
in less than a year. They're ready to get rid
of that guy. So I'm genuinely saying, what's the disconnect
between Mark Cuban, who has seen what it takes. He
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went to a finals with Dirk and loss, he came
back in one with dirt, you know what I mean.
So what's a disconnect between this guy who's been in
the league owning a team for twenty something years versus
his new ownership And they're like, oh no, he ain't
the one.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Well, but because also there are people and you know
this who overlooked the bad stuff that people do because
you overlook it and you just say, I don't care.
Because if Mark Cuban was so in love with and
why did he cash out? Why did he walk out
before he had to pay him three hundred and fifty million.
So it's easy to say that Mark Cuban never paid
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anybody three hundred and fifty million. Mark Cuban was easy.
He was on a rookie contract or made less money
to overlook those things. When you make that kind of commitment,
you have to look at somebody with the finer tooth
comb and that's where it comes in.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Did you see Mark Cuban.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It's easy for Mark Cuban to say that now because
he won, the guy paying him, Mark took his money
and ran the other way with the Mavericks mar he
was so much in love with with Luca that he
wanted out of basketball.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
That's just a basket, that's just a business decision.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
That's just him. I'm about to I've had this team
for twenty something years. The man ain't got to die
with him, and he still has part ownership. So yeah,
I just I that's my biggest thing that all of
a sudden, none of it. Lucas that guy, he's the
one then within an eight nine month period, but he.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Has different everybody more. I just I don't think that
because Mark Cuban says it's so that it means anything.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I just, well, who we don't know anything about.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I'd rather trust the guy who's won a ring and
went to the finals and had tons of success, tons
of success versus this new ownership. And they just started
on the casino. They just started, and they started by
making a hord. Make the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
They start?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Did they make the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
They know they made the play in Okay, Okay, so
they're in the playing right, Okay, So that's cool.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
We'll see all right. Eight seven, seven ninety nine on
Fox eight seven seven nine nine, six sixty three sixty nine,
where are you Nico says he has Harrison says he
has no regrets. Are you buying it? Malarkey is a BS.
I'm buying it. I'm buying it because they did not
want him. It has nothing to do with basketball. Kelvin disagrees.
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He thinks that they regret it and then they know
what they were doing and they don't realize that they
had a guy who was a five time All NBA. No, no,
they didn't know they had that, and they just gave
the guy one.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
No.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
You can make regrets. You can do something and go oops,
why did I do that?
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Speaker 4 (21:58):
Ad, what's up brother you?
Speaker 6 (22:01):
I am awesome fellas.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
How are you guys do it?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Good man?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
All right?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Having some NBA conversations, So of course you're a perfect
man for the perfect time to have these.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, let's start, of course, the hiring of Joe Dumars,
as I'm going to run the franchise, and we'd say,
first your thoughts on just the hiring of Joe d
who we both know well. Covered Joe in Detroit and
obviously won a championship too as a player, and then
we'll do the second part of the question, which I
have for you.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Well, the thing is something had to change. Things had
to change in New Orleans. I love David Griffin. My
time in New Orleans aligned with his time, so it
was six years for him, and it was also six years.
This is my six years well along with Zone six years.
But something had to change. If that means the New
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Boys has to be heard, someone to kind of put
the hammer down, so to speak, to change the culture.
So be it. So I complete the understand the higher
and I'm excited. I'm excited to see what Joe Dumars
has in mind as far as roster construction is concerned,
identity is concerned, and how he's going to move forward.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
And the question is, obviously there's two ways of going right.
You can build around realize that Zion is a talent.
You got to get him healthy and keep him out
there and you want to, you know, keep him as
a part of the franchise long term and build around him.
Or you decide to move and move on him and
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go get other pieces and building build this team around
somebody else where are you?
Speaker 6 (23:40):
I mean? I mean, I saw what that man is
capable of. I saw what he's capable of. Like Rob Kelvin,
I have seen this man single handedly put that team
on his back and wheel them to victory. And here's
the thing. There's something to be said about guys that
are so good, that are show dominant that they increased
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the confidence of everybody around him. So it doesn't make
a difference who the Pelicans played when Zion was in uniform.
The team, the fan base, the coaching staff thought that
they had a chance to win that game because of
number one. Because of number one. But he's that good,
he's that dominant. The issue is you just got to
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keep him on the floor, he just has to stay
on the floor. But as far as confidence and in skilling,
confidence in everyone around him, as far as winning gets concerned,
Zion's the perfect man for the job.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
But here's my thing, Ad, nobody questions his talent. We
Robin I talked about asta he played. He's amazing. He's
a flat out all star shooting, He's efficient, he scores
a variety of ways. But man, Ad, when you start
to look at the games, missed it, Why sell me,
I miss more games than he's playing. Sell me exactly
(24:59):
why your preason can acquire so But so I wish
you could you know you were. It's hard because you
can't like separate yourself a organization. You can obviously work
with them, But is there not a point where I
have to say it is what it is. Guys don't
get healthier as the age, that's the opposite. It kind
of reminds me of Blake Griffin. Blake had those few
great years and then the knee and the injury. You
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just started to see it. He kept thinking, no, it'll
he'll get it back. No, And he never did. And
I look at a few players who have been like that,
and that's my concern is that it's not a question
of if he gives me thirty eight minutes tonight.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
While he played, well, yeah, it's can I get him
out on the floor.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And I think as whether Joe Dumars now or somebody
has to make a decision of is it better to
blow this whole thing up, get a bunch of good picks,
first round picks, and try something new.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And I know again you can't and Brooklyn has a
ton of picks.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Yeah, So here's the thing. Here's the thing for me
with no you know, guys don't get healthier they as
they get older, but they get smarter. Yeah, And I
think that's the big thing. But growth isn't linear. We
and I know this as a as a player and
now as an analyst. You know what, the situation that
guys are in the light doesn't come off for everybody
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at the same time. And I'm not talking about the
light in between the four lines. I'm not talking about
the light of you know, the game slowing down. You
hear that all the time now the game is so
I'm talking about the light outside the four lines. I'm
talking about the light as far as how to eat,
how to how to prepare, how to train all of
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these kind of things, how important it is to be
flexible and dexterity and all these other kind of things
that are my rookie year, My rookie year. I was
even McDonald's for pre game. Yeah you know what I mean,
I was the McDonald's for pre game, Like all right, chirping,
you know what I mean. I'm young, I can run
it off whatever it may be. But as you get older,
you get smarter. And you're right, Helvin, guys don't get like,
(26:53):
like less injury ponents they get older, but they do
get smarter.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I like that. That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
The uh, what will be the response you think in
in New Orleans just about fans and you know, because
it's got to be frustrating that things just haven't you know,
once you got zoned, you thought that would be a
turning point, you know in that franchise's history. Uh do
you think people will will buy into, you know, giving
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Joe d some time or feel like they need something
to happen asap?
Speaker 6 (27:25):
They need something to happen a sip because this is
a fan base, This is a fan base right now
that is waiting and has been for the next shoar
to drop. That's that's just how it goes. And I
don't you know, when you're an executive, whether it's a
general manager, president of basketball operations, you are judge, honestly
(27:49):
by the ones that you got wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Oh absolutely, You're not talking about the ones that you
got right.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
You know. So the thing that Joe Dumars did correctly,
people will kind of, oh, well, that was good, good,
But what about what about Darko?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
What about this?
Speaker 6 (28:04):
What about that? Like you're judged by what you don't
he's opposed by what you have done that has made
you successful.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Even though and I say this all the time, even
though when you look at that team that won a
championship and beat Shaq and Kobe, when you think about
what Joe d put together there, it was an incredible run.
And we noticed because Kelvin's from there and I worked there.
That building you noticed was sold out every night for
ten years. It was okay, was liv They had an identity.
(28:35):
Everybody knew what they were about. They went to the
finals twice back to back, you know that Game seven
against the Spurs. They lost us the next year, but
they accomplished a lot. And you're right, and people still
point to just dark or was it as if that's
the only thing he did there. It's amazing.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
That's that's the way sports works. That's the way sports works,
like you know, it's that's the way it's always been.
When you talk about Lebron, even you and I Rob
when we talked about Steph Curry being the greatest shooter
of all times. You know what you're saying, He's never
hit a sound fill in the blank show yesterday one million,
but we skip over all the one million three point
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shots that he's hit, like because you're judging on what
you haven't done, you know, I mean, you're judging whatever's wrong.
You're not judged on what you've done.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
That's correctly.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
Anytime you're talking about Lebron James, right, people always say,
what's his record in the finals? How many times has
he lost? Not understanding and again I am not I'm
not advocating for losing, but if something be sad for
getting there, it's something to be said for getting there
and winning four times. That's hard to do. What hard
to get to the NBA finals ten times?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
That's tough, no doubt. One one thing though, last thing,
I just want to ask you the Steph Curry not
having a play drawn off for him at the end
of that game. You're down by three steps at thirty six,
shot the ball well and there's no play for death
to get the ball and have a shot to tie
the game. Does that make sense? And what what are
we missing?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
What game?
Speaker 6 (30:06):
What game? Are you referencing the game.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
The Clippers not yet Sunday against the Clippers?
Speaker 6 (30:11):
I know, but he wasn't. He wasn't. Oh you're talking
about prior to the defensive stands. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they
Draymond found you had to take him out of the game.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
No, no, no, I'm talking about Buddy Hill. That they
drew a play play for Buddy Heel to take the
three that he missed and they lost.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
And I've always felt this way about coaching, and I
love I love Steve Kerr, my teammate for years. Sometimes
you can outthink yourself, you can overthink it, and you
can sit there and think to yourself, like, well, you
know what, man like they probably think.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
The ball is going to go in, right, so let's
go somewhere else.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Going to use him as a dcoy. We're gonna use
him as a dcoy and free up, buddy, heel not
like like man Steph Curry something else. Man. We saw
what he did in the Olympics this summer.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
We saw that. That's why, That's why I was shocking
to me. At least give him a chance, right to
take the shot, that's all.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
And if he misses it, I live with him one
hundred I am one hundred and fifty percent with you there.
I will live with him taking a shot shooting their bowl,
you know what, because he's the best best shooter to
ever touch a basketball. But you cannot not have him
touch that ball.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Chris best shooting ever shoot a basketball. Three was coming.
I knew it was coming. Ads, all right, I'm with you,
AD to.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Larry Birds out the head, stop it, thank you, Ad,
all right, all right, appreciate it as always. All right,
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Speaker 4 (00:31):
Getting ready to be joined now by Eddiehouse.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
He is, of course Ammy winning broadcaster and analysts Fox
Sports one. You see him right there, former ANBA shooting guard.
Man used to get buckets, Eddie House, what's up, brother?
Speaker 4 (00:46):
How you doing? Eddie?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Playoff time?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Say what I said?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's playoff time?
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Oh yeah, come on, man. And I don't like how
you said. Nowhere. I don't like how you said you
used to get buckets because I can still get buckets.
That don't ever change. So but okay, but let's let's
let's move on. Let's let's get.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Killing them still.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I ain't killing nobody nowhere wherever I go. You know
what I mean, pull up and I pull up and
show out you know what I mean if I needed to.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Hell, Eddie, what what did you make of how the
Warriors finished the season the loss to the Spurs and
then at home woul a chance? You know what I
mean to be? Uh? Uh in the playoffs, not in
the playing and they lost that game as well. What
did you make of that?
Speaker 5 (01:32):
That's not good? That the reason why I say that's
not good because it's just like how everybody say if
you limp into the season and usually limp out of
the season, and I feel like they limped into the playoffs,
they might prove me wrong because they do have Steph
Curry over there, They got Jimmy over there. Uh can
they you know, ignite playoffs energy in a different way.
(01:53):
But I would I wouldn't have liked that even if
I was on the team. I mean, if you on
the team, and I don't care if you still you, Jimmy,
you Draymond, anybody on there or the coaching staff. You
don't feel good about how that ended?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
How about this Steve Kerr drawing up a play? You
need a three? Steph curryes the all time three point maker.
He had thirty six in that game, was shooting great
and there's no play or no no play drawing up
for Steph to take that three. It's buddy heel is
that if you're on the bench or in the huddle
or whatever, Eddie, where you where's your head? Does that
(02:27):
make sense or do you question it?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
No, that doesn't make sense. That's jankie. Yes, I'll say
that's jankie because of this reason right here, is that
Steph was rocking in that forf right.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
That's my point. It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yeah, so he was rocking, So you have to do
some misirection things to try to get him the ball
in him and say, hey, man, if we get you
the ball, just go do what you're doing and we
live and die with whatever you do. But we can't
have a guy that was cold. He came cold off
the bench to take that shot. It wasn't he wasn't
in the game. He came cold off then, by the way,
And I don't uh, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Man.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
You know, Steve curR has done some you know, and
I like Steve Kurr and what he's done with the
Warriors and things like that, but I did not like
how he treated Jason Tatum this summer in the Olympics,
and so he got some questionable things that he's doing
over there. He's like, man, man, what did you want
over here?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, Eddie, let me ask you this. The team that
getting ready to play here in a little bit would
be the Grizzies. Remember, maybe a couple of years ago,
we were like, man, the Grizzlies might be one of
the teams you gotta deal with forever. Now, you know,
they seem like maybe the Okac of nowadays a couple
of years back, but they haven't quite found that rhythm.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Again, what do you make of them this season?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I mean, they still have the bands, they have Moran,
they have you know, Tripled Jay, Like, what's off right now?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
They even got their coach fired, you know a week
or two ago. What's changed?
Speaker 5 (03:52):
They got a star over there in John Morant. But
when I look at it in the totality of the team,
eighty seven octang and I'm not putting that in my
gas tank.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
They ain't supreme.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
No, I'm not putting eighty seven in my gas and
they're in the plan. I'm putting eighty seven in my
gas tank, so are you?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I mean, Like, here is an example, Orlando and the Hawks.
Is that really a playoff series we really want to see?
Or should we just make it for the TA teams
that make it and stop with the play in I mean, really,
why all year they weren't really good, so now we're
supposed to want to watch them in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
No, I will say. The difference is to that is like,
I like the plan for this reason is that eight, seven, eight, nine,
ten is actually playing for something at that particular moment,
as opposed to you know, we just ain't nobody playing
for anything.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, but Eddie that twenty of the thirty teams make
the playoffs. When you do that, you make the regular
season not as important. And I think that's the issue
of it.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
I don't I disagree with you. I disagree. I think
that at the end of the day, like you have
issues like Orlando. You know Orlando was is a really
is a good basketball team. Jamal Mosley has been playing hard.
Uh you know they had to deal with injuries. I
want to say, Uh Holo was out for a while,
uh pa Anthony was out, but Wagner was out for
(05:23):
a while too. Mo has been out for the Wagner
been out for all seasons right, So and then Franz
Wagner also went out for a particular uh time period.
And so when you look at that, it's like it
gives them an opportunity, if they do get healthy, to
have a chance to at least get into the playoffs,
to feel that because you know, sometimes things happen in
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the regular season, you know, and every team doesn't get
the luck of being the best team, you know, to
be the team that everybody's trying to beat and have
a deep team, and if you lose certain pieces. I mean,
look at Milwaukee. I know Milwaukee is still in the
playoffs right there, but you know they were on the
on the verge of not getting there, and the same
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thing happened. What about the Lakers. The Lakers went down
and then when Lebron came back, they went back up.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You know, now here we we know. You're picking the
Celtics to go to the finals. Who will they play?
Let's just get your thoughts in your final matchup. And
I know the Celtics are winning in four games or
five games, but I don't even want to waste time
on who's gonna win how many games? So just tell
me who are they playing? Who they sweeping at he
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tell me that.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I think that they'll end up playing because, okay see,
the defense travels and they've been the best defense team.
It's gonna come down to, okay see and the Lakers.
The reason why I say the Lakers is because all
os will be on that finals. And you know, money
drives everything.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you get a Lakers Celtic
come on the NBA.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
If that's the case, they wanted. They also wanted Kobe
and Lebron to play together. And guess what happened. Dwight
Howard and Turky Glue they Eddie am I right? I
mean that was the matchup everybody wanted that had those
puppets all year and all that, and guess what happened.
Somebody else had other ideas.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Yeah, why they played Orlando that year, but we beat
them in two thousand and eight before that, you know
what I mean. So it already had happened, so people
have seen it. So it's just going back to no, but.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
It wasn't Lebron. I'm talking about the Lebron Kobe that
we never saw that.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Now we didn't.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Well you know why why, I'm gonna tell you because
Kobe is different than lebron.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Okay, see Eddie about to open. Now, now we got
another twenty minutes we.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Have to go.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Come on, Eddie, you know that you can't Eddy with
that APPI just dropped his bomb and dip on him
like I'm gonna throw the grenade. Thank you, Eddie, appreciate
your Eddie House right there. Eddie House score fifty on X.
If you want to give him a follow, go ahead
and do that. We got on the way. Check go
seeing see how Rob did with that. We'll get to
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anything in the world of sports. And we will not
n ot interrupt. So we got a lot to cover
in this next hour. So you just heard I Low
talk about Nico Harrison, the general manager of the Dallas Mavericks,
basically saying he has no regrets he made the trade.
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He's good with it despite where the Mavericks are and
what's happened and you know, with some injuries and whatnot.
And he talked about I know I saw the defense
wins championships and that was the reason that he made
this move. And let's just face it, it's not a
basketball trade, and he can sugarcoat it talk about anything
he wants. They just were out of the Luca business. No,
(10:13):
thank you. We're not paying three hundred and fifty million
dollars to a twenty five year old who has a
thirty five year old body and who likes to drink
apparently right from the video that ever saw Michael fin
exactly and he loves the hookah, not Luca and all
the other stuff that go out there, exactly. But I
(10:35):
think his response is the right response. What regret do
you have? You are not going to pay him. This
is above his pay grade. Kelvin. You could give me that. Now,
you could give me a look.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
That.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Okay, if this was about him making a bad trade,
he wouldn't be the general manager. Okay, Like he would not
be the general manager. He's following orders. People work for people.
Is this on you think Nico Harrison one day woke
up and said, I want to be the most hated
guy in Dallas. Come on, man, I don't understand people.
(11:15):
Do you really believe that's what he did.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
No, you can't trade a twenty five year old top one, two,
three four players, an international star international that you can't
do You can't wake up in trade a even middlely.
Hey guys, I'm thinking trades. Okay, even if he's an
All Star. But it's like, all right, you're gonna trade
Julius Randall.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
He he doesn't regret it, and he shouldn't because those
were the marching orders. We are not n ot under
any circumstances paying that guy three hundred and fifty million dollars.
I don't know why, people, that's not a basketball. Trade
has nothing to do with basketball. This was a financial situation.
(11:58):
When you decide you're not gonna play it, pay somebody
the Marcus because we bring him up all the time.
The Kings were like, well we can't do anything with him. Now,
what we're gonna do once we give him two hundred
and something million dollars? And what happened? Do you ever
get that deal?
Speaker 6 (12:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
No, he did not, sitting on the couch doing podcasts.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So the issue I have when you keep saying it's
not a basketball I get your point right, this is
they don't believe in him. They don't want to pay
the man three hundred and fifty and so they let
him go, and Nico cannot regret the trade because he
was told and forced to do the trade. Now, he
of course probably weighed in. Here's some options. I got
connections with the Lakers. I was and I did a
(12:40):
lot of great business with Kobe, so I know what's
going on over there, and maybe I know Roba Lincoln.
So yeah, I believe he was heavily involved in the
all right, we're gonna do this. How do we go
about this? And this is where he gets to smoke
from me. If you felt the need to trade Luca,
first of all, it's crazy, but if you did, all right,
I just keep going to these a couple of things, rob.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Number One, you don't trade for Anthony Davis.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
If your whole premise is, oh, we believe he's gonna
have a catastrophic injury, Luca and in five years he's
gonna break down, Well, then you trade for a guy
who's often hurt so much so he has a nickname
Street close and Anthony Davis.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
That's the part I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
If they went out and got some other amazing talent
with a couple of first round picks, and some of
you all right, that's crazy, but least they got a
bunch back, Oh you got Sga, all right, Well, I
get it.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
You got Ann Edwards. Okay, I get it.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
They got rid of him for Anthony Davis, who's six
years older, often hurt. To pair him with Kyrie Irving
often hurt. And he mentioned Kyrie in the conference. He goes,
you know, the Maverick fans were mad at me when
I traded for Kyrie, but then they were happy.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
See that worked out.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
But let me tell you something about Kyrie, who is
a Hall of Famer, had the heck of a career
thus far, Kyrie is often hurt. He had a stretch
of twenty games and fifty games in twenty nine games,
sixty games, then forty games in twenty games in fifty
eight and only fifty this year. So your pair Kyrie
with Anthony Davis, two guys are often hurt. It just
doesn't make sense. And they're both six years older than Luca.
(14:08):
So that's the part that doesn't make sense. Last point
is this, You tell us what we're trying to get
two way players defense wins championship.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Well, I will tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
When you have a general generational talent like a Luca,
let me tell you who won some championships. Who wasn't
the greatest defender Larry Bird, He wasn't Gary Payton, bow
Yo Kic. We know he is not the ken bab Matombo. Steph,
You ain't combining.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Into the basketball thing, which that that that that's not
what this is. Some of the other stuff that he said,
But that stuff is a is a smoke screen. It's
what I'm trying to tell you. Angles if he wants
to go, but that's what he's saying to make it
as if this is about basketball, about defense, about this
about him blowing out his leg or or or or
(14:58):
foot or something, or he's all your out of shape
or whatever you could say all that stuff. All I'm saying, Kelvin,
I get it. This is this is this was they
didn't want him, like like they didn't want him.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
The only the issue I have when you say that
is I don't think clearly they didn't want him. But
not wanting Luca does can still be wrong like that.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
It can't be wrong if you really believe seriously financially
it's a bad deal for you. So so no, and
you people have given up players and whatnot a situation. No,
I'm talking about where you just decide I'm not going
to sign them. But this financial.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Reason, the reason this is you is because the ELK,
this is Luca this. If this were anybody, it could
even be a top ten player. It could even be
Jason Tatum and you'd be like, oh wow, that's kind
of crazy. But I mean, okay, Luca, there's like three
to four players.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
You just don't know that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
But what m VP has he won? What what championship
has he won? You get that, No, but you're making
it like, oh my god, they gave up a guy
who won them three champs that he hasn't won anything yet.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Because he can't get care No, he literally got you
to the finals. No, no, goes, well we got the finals.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
You don't what you do? Now let's be in the
play in.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
But my point is I understand if it was somebody
you know, like who won two or three champs. This
is not about basketball. I hear what you're saying, and
everything you say makes sense, but it's illogical to equate
it to basketball because the trade does not equal up,
does not make sense.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
So it'll be dark.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Then, get it has to be dark because it can't
just be the money like meaning somebody's gonna get the money.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It is the money. It's not.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
What I'm saying is, let's say they drive someone this summer.
I'm serious, and he ends up being great and in
two years we all go he's the next not whoever,
he's gonna get the money eventually.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So are they just never gonna pay someone the max?
You don't, you don't have the super max tweet fifty. No,
they've never paid anybody that. No.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
What I'm saying, if you get somebody that is that good.
If you get your Aunt Edwards, if you get your SGA,
if you get your Yo Kisch, if you get your Tatum,
but in fact A Jalen and Tatum Jalen don't.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But you don't know if that player has a different mindset,
is not out carousings, not out drinking and smoking. You
don't know. That guy could be the perfect guy, could
be a young Wimby and he's not into any of that.
And it's about bat like. You could have that guy.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I just they just don't believes it's five time first
team NBA Playoff series. Have you looked at him?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yes, and he looks he's in much better shape.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Now, Okay, what I'm asking you. They watched him for
for for five years, six years, they watched him. That
was their chance to evaluate on whether we want to
make this long term investment in somebody. They're the ones
who get Luca gave them doubt, not because it's not
as basketball ability, it's the other stuff that gave them
(18:06):
doubt to say, no, we don't want to sign a
long term deal.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Let me throw this at that's all.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
And this is this is a real This is really
where I'm I want you to help illuminate enlighten me then,
because the math ain't math in two plus two or
six right now. Mark Cuban swore by this guy. I
mean literally hip to hip everywhere he goes.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
This is my Mark Cuban is the end all beyond, no, no.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
He's the one who had the guy his whole career.
He drafted him, he swore by him. This is my
new dirt. So excited, I will leave my wife before
I leave him. This is the guy sells the team
in less than a year. They're ready to get rid
of that guy. So I'm genuinely saying, what's the disconnect
between Mark Cuban, who has seen what it takes. He
(18:49):
went to a finals with Dirk and loss, he came
back in one with dirt, you know what I mean.
So what's a disconnect between this guy who's been in
the league owning a team for twenty something years versus
his new ownership And they're like, oh no, he ain't
the one.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Well, but because also there are people and you know
this who overlooked the bad stuff that people do because
you overlook it and you just say, I don't care.
Because if Mark Cuban was so in love with and
why did he cash out? Why did he walk out
before he had to pay him three hundred and fifty million.
So it's easy to say that Mark Cuban never paid
(19:24):
anybody three hundred and fifty million. Mark Cuban was easy.
He was on a rookie contract or made less money
to overlook those things. When you make that kind of commitment,
you have to look at somebody with the finer tooth
comb and that's where it comes in.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Did you see Mark Cuban.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It's easy for Mark Cuban to say that now because
he won, the guy paying him, Mark took his money
and ran the other way with the Mavericks mar he
was so much in love with with Luca that he
wanted out of basketball.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
That's just a basket, that's just a business decision.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
That's just him. I'm about to I've had this team
for twenty something years. The man ain't got to die
with him, and he still has part ownership. So yeah,
I just I that's my biggest thing that all of
a sudden, none of it. Lucas that guy, he's the
one then within an eight nine month period, but he.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Has different everybody more. I just I don't think that
because Mark Cuban says it's so that it means anything.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I just, well, who we don't know anything about.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I'd rather trust the guy who's won a ring and
went to the finals and had tons of success, tons
of success versus this new ownership. And they just started
on the casino. They just started, and they started by
making a hord. Make the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
They start?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Did they make the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
They know they made the play in Okay, Okay, so
they're in the playing right, Okay, So that's cool.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
We'll see all right. Eight seven, seven ninety nine on
Fox eight seven seven nine nine, six sixty three sixty nine,
where are you Nico says he has Harrison says he
has no regrets. Are you buying it? Malarkey is a BS.
I'm buying it. I'm buying it because they did not
want him. It has nothing to do with basketball. Kelvin disagrees.
(21:03):
He thinks that they regret it and then they know
what they were doing and they don't realize that they
had a guy who was a five time All NBA. No, no,
they didn't know they had that, and they just gave
the guy one.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
No.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
You can make regrets. You can do something and go oops,
why did I do that?
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Speaker 4 (21:58):
Ad, what's up brother you?
Speaker 6 (22:01):
I am awesome fellas.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
How are you guys do it?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Good man?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
All right?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Having some NBA conversations, So of course you're a perfect
man for the perfect time to have these.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, let's start, of course, the hiring of Joe Dumars,
as I'm going to run the franchise, and we'd say,
first your thoughts on just the hiring of Joe d
who we both know well. Covered Joe in Detroit and
obviously won a championship too as a player, and then
we'll do the second part of the question, which I
have for you.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Well, the thing is something had to change. Things had
to change in New Orleans. I love David Griffin. My
time in New Orleans aligned with his time, so it
was six years for him, and it was also six years.
This is my six years well along with Zone six years.
But something had to change. If that means the New
(22:53):
Boys has to be heard, someone to kind of put
the hammer down, so to speak, to change the culture.
So be it. So I complete the understand the higher
and I'm excited. I'm excited to see what Joe Dumars
has in mind as far as roster construction is concerned,
identity is concerned, and how he's going to move forward.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
And the question is, obviously there's two ways of going right.
You can build around realize that Zion is a talent.
You got to get him healthy and keep him out
there and you want to, you know, keep him as
a part of the franchise long term and build around him.
Or you decide to move and move on him and
(23:34):
go get other pieces and building build this team around
somebody else where are you?
Speaker 6 (23:40):
I mean? I mean, I saw what that man is
capable of. I saw what he's capable of. Like Rob Kelvin,
I have seen this man single handedly put that team
on his back and wheel them to victory. And here's
the thing. There's something to be said about guys that
are so good, that are show dominant that they increased
(24:03):
the confidence of everybody around him. So it doesn't make
a difference who the Pelicans played when Zion was in uniform.
The team, the fan base, the coaching staff thought that
they had a chance to win that game because of
number one. Because of number one. But he's that good,
he's that dominant. The issue is you just got to
(24:25):
keep him on the floor, he just has to stay
on the floor. But as far as confidence and in skilling,
confidence in everyone around him, as far as winning gets concerned,
Zion's the perfect man for the job.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
But here's my thing, Ad, nobody questions his talent. We
Robin I talked about asta he played. He's amazing. He's
a flat out all star shooting, He's efficient, he scores
a variety of ways. But man, Ad, when you start
to look at the games, missed it, Why sell me,
I miss more games than he's playing. Sell me exactly
(24:59):
why your preason can acquire so But so I wish
you could you know you were. It's hard because you
can't like separate yourself a organization. You can obviously work
with them, But is there not a point where I
have to say it is what it is. Guys don't
get healthier as the age, that's the opposite. It kind
of reminds me of Blake Griffin. Blake had those few
great years and then the knee and the injury. You
(25:21):
just started to see it. He kept thinking, no, it'll
he'll get it back. No, And he never did. And
I look at a few players who have been like that,
and that's my concern is that it's not a question
of if he gives me thirty eight minutes tonight.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
While he played, well, yeah, it's can I get him
out on the floor.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And I think as whether Joe Dumars now or somebody
has to make a decision of is it better to
blow this whole thing up, get a bunch of good picks,
first round picks, and try something new.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And I know again you can't and Brooklyn has a
ton of picks.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Yeah, So here's the thing. Here's the thing for me
with no you know, guys don't get healthier they as
they get older, but they get smarter. Yeah, And I
think that's the big thing. But growth isn't linear. We
and I know this as a as a player and
now as an analyst. You know what, the situation that
guys are in the light doesn't come off for everybody
(26:08):
at the same time. And I'm not talking about the
light in between the four lines. I'm not talking about
the light of you know, the game slowing down. You
hear that all the time now the game is so
I'm talking about the light outside the four lines. I'm
talking about the light as far as how to eat,
how to how to prepare, how to train all of
(26:30):
these kind of things, how important it is to be
flexible and dexterity and all these other kind of things
that are my rookie year, My rookie year. I was
even McDonald's for pre game. Yeah you know what I mean,
I was the McDonald's for pre game, Like all right, chirping,
you know what I mean. I'm young, I can run
it off whatever it may be. But as you get older,
you get smarter. And you're right, Helvin, guys don't get like,
(26:53):
like less injury ponents they get older, but they do
get smarter.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I like that. That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
The uh, what will be the response you think in
in New Orleans just about fans and you know, because
it's got to be frustrating that things just haven't you know,
once you got zoned, you thought that would be a
turning point, you know in that franchise's history. Uh do
you think people will will buy into, you know, giving
(27:20):
Joe d some time or feel like they need something
to happen asap?
Speaker 6 (27:25):
They need something to happen a sip because this is
a fan base, This is a fan base right now
that is waiting and has been for the next shoar
to drop. That's that's just how it goes. And I
don't you know, when you're an executive, whether it's a
general manager, president of basketball operations, you are judge, honestly
(27:49):
by the ones that you got wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Oh absolutely, You're not talking about the ones that you
got right.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
You know. So the thing that Joe Dumars did correctly,
people will kind of, oh, well, that was good, good,
But what about what about Darko?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
What about this?
Speaker 6 (28:04):
What about that? Like you're judged by what you don't
he's opposed by what you have done that has made
you successful.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Even though and I say this all the time, even
though when you look at that team that won a
championship and beat Shaq and Kobe, when you think about
what Joe d put together there, it was an incredible run.
And we noticed because Kelvin's from there and I worked there.
That building you noticed was sold out every night for
ten years. It was okay, was liv They had an identity.
(28:35):
Everybody knew what they were about. They went to the
finals twice back to back, you know that Game seven
against the Spurs. They lost us the next year, but
they accomplished a lot. And you're right, and people still
point to just dark or was it as if that's
the only thing he did there. It's amazing.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
That's that's the way sports works. That's the way sports works,
like you know, it's that's the way it's always been.
When you talk about Lebron, even you and I Rob
when we talked about Steph Curry being the greatest shooter
of all times. You know what you're saying, He's never
hit a sound fill in the blank show yesterday one million,
but we skip over all the one million three point
(29:15):
shots that he's hit, like because you're judging on what
you haven't done, you know, I mean, you're judging whatever's wrong.
You're not judged on what you've done.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
That's correctly.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
Anytime you're talking about Lebron James, right, people always say,
what's his record in the finals? How many times has
he lost? Not understanding and again I am not I'm
not advocating for losing, but if something be sad for
getting there, it's something to be said for getting there
and winning four times. That's hard to do. What hard
to get to the NBA finals ten times?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
That's tough, no doubt. One one thing though, last thing,
I just want to ask you the Steph Curry not
having a play drawn off for him at the end
of that game. You're down by three steps at thirty six,
shot the ball well and there's no play for death
to get the ball and have a shot to tie
the game. Does that make sense? And what what are
we missing?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
What game?
Speaker 6 (30:06):
What game? Are you referencing the game.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
The Clippers not yet Sunday against the Clippers?
Speaker 6 (30:11):
I know, but he wasn't. He wasn't. Oh you're talking
about prior to the defensive stands. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they
Draymond found you had to take him out of the game.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
No, no, no, I'm talking about Buddy Hill. That they
drew a play play for Buddy Heel to take the
three that he missed and they lost.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
And I've always felt this way about coaching, and I
love I love Steve Kerr, my teammate for years. Sometimes
you can outthink yourself, you can overthink it, and you
can sit there and think to yourself, like, well, you
know what, man like they probably think.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
The ball is going to go in, right, so let's
go somewhere else.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Going to use him as a dcoy. We're gonna use
him as a dcoy and free up, buddy, heel not
like like man Steph Curry something else. Man. We saw
what he did in the Olympics this summer.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
We saw that. That's why, That's why I was shocking
to me. At least give him a chance, right to
take the shot, that's all.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
And if he misses it, I live with him one
hundred I am one hundred and fifty percent with you there.
I will live with him taking a shot shooting their bowl,
you know what, because he's the best best shooter to
ever touch a basketball. But you cannot not have him
touch that ball.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Chris best shooting ever shoot a basketball. Three was coming.
I knew it was coming. Ads, all right, I'm with you,
AD to.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Larry Birds out the head, stop it, thank you, Ad,
all right, all right, appreciate it as always. All right,
we got trash Talking Tuesday, eight seven, seven ninety nine
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