May 9, 2025 • 29 mins
Rob and Kelvin discuss the latest drama surrounding Bill Belichick, Jordon Hudson and the University of North Carolina, take the rest of the NBA to task for never checking Draymond Green once and for all and putting an eye to his goonery. Plus, Tar Heel Illustrated publisher Andrew Jones swings by to discuss the sensational reporting surrounding Bill Belichick and his girlfriend Jordon Hudson, how the school is handling all the recent bad publicity, how public Hudson has become around campus and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Friday morning podcast hosts ESPN Alumpablo Tory revealed.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Interviews Tori no s oh I thought it was yes, Sorry,
sorry about.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
That, reveal interviews with numerous sources quote that.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Are close to the Belichick family to discuss that what
they're calling a controversial relationship between Bill Belichick, the head coach,
and Jordan Hudson, including claims, according Tore, that Hudson had
become such a problem around North Carolina that she had
been banned from the university facility. Added quote, there is
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deep worry for how detrimental Jordan can be, not just
for North Carolina, but builds legacy and reputation. Now that
had been out for two to three hours and then
UNC says no, no, no, We're put a full on
statement out and says while Jordan Hudson is not an
employee University of University of North Carolina Athletics. She is
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welcome to the Carolina football facilities. Jordan will continue to
manage all activities related to coach Belichick's personal brand outside
of his responsibilities with the football program.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Calvin, all I'm gonna do is I'm gonna get back
to what I told you a week or ten days ago.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Right when we first talked about it.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, North Carolina should just cut bait like this is
already you could see what's happening here that they need
to put out a statement for someone who's a non
employee who has nothing to do with football. Why in
the world with the university have to put out a
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statement about somebody's girlfriend who is not an employee. That
tells you already where this is headache. And I know
a couple of friends of mine are like, Rob, You're crazy.
You can't You're gonna fire, I mean, fire a guy
before you even coach one game or whatever. Yeah, if
you realize you made a mistake and it's not what
you were looking for when they hired Bill Belichick, the
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Bill Belichick in New England.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
You didn't hear.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Pete from very quiet with the reporters barely you can
barely get anything out of him, right, It was it
was totally like pulling teeth to get this guy to
be interested and have any kind of a pulse.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
Am I right?
Speaker 5 (02:42):
No, you're right?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
All of a sudden, he's got a book out, he's
got a young girlfriend, this and that, he's got a
pushback on a CBS interview. He had to put out
a statement for that. Now he's putting that. Now he's
got the university putting out a statement. Who's even saying
she don't work here, but she work here. That's that's
what they said, She don't work here, but she work here.
What really I get?
Speaker 7 (03:06):
In North Carolina?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Your football You're a basketball school and football is secondary, okay,
but you hired this guy, legendary coach. I just don't
believe that this is what they were looking for. It's
a bad look on the university. It's just bad all around.
And if I'm a parent of a recruit, he's a
legendary coach. He's dating who?
Speaker 7 (03:28):
What really?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah, he's a leader of men, a grown man who's
going around with a girl, a young woman who could
date one of the players. That's the guy I'm gonna
look up to and have respect to. Come on, it's
the irony to me run so thick, Rob.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean, this is the guy who, again no distractions
were on the Cincinnati This is the guy who ran
the show similar to a military. I mean, we didn't
even know Tom Brady had a personality till he finally
left Tampa Bay, era, till he left up there in
New England. This is the guy who was big on
no distraction football, football, football, and yet here you are.
This is why I'm bringing him in if I'm unc
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I'm bringing him in for these things, to set the
standard for these things, because young guys as me, you,
Sam and Rob Wallo, when you're young, you're dumb and
you're doing stupid things. You're full of distractions, You're full
of lack of focus. So the guy I'm supposed to
be bringing it in, who is issuing out these things,
having people locked in on these things, is now nothing
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but a distraction.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Who's doing interviews with holes in his shirt.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Still at no point, Bill put on a polo, put
on a button down, put on a button down.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But now you want to be on here, and I Garret.
Let mean I say guarantee you. I would think that
she understands branding and says, hey, you wearing the holes
in your shirt is what you've been doing, the holes
and hoodies, and stick to the brand. Stick to the brand.
As she's running running and being his publicist. And again
you're allowed today who you want to date. But that
doesn't mean there aren't issues that a university can take
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with this right. You can do whatever we want, but
just know we have issues with that. Public can say, hey,
legally you can do what you want, but the public
opinion is well that seems a little strange, but that
but that's.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
The reason that in these big contracts with a lot
of money, there are more clauses. I was just explaining
at the barbershop. People don't understand that legality, right, It's
just like, this is what you agree to when you
sign this million dollar contrast, it's not legality, it's what
we feel could be morally wrong or set this organization
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or in this case, or university back.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And again it also may lead to them having because
he have questionable judgment.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Can we talk about Trevor Bauer like teams are dying
for pitching okay, if you're to Baltimore or the teams
that are, and they still just they rather not because
they don't rather not. We don't want you to wear
our uniform. We'd rather not. You can pitch nobody saying
you can't. We'd rather not. And that's the thing. Bill
Belichick doesn't have to be a bad guy. She doesn't
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have to be the worst girl in the world or
anything like that. It could just be that something doesn't
seem right to the university or too folks, or to
to as you know, board of directors at schools, and
they say, ah, we're dealing with a bunch of young
people and our leader, who's in his seventies is dating
someone young. We could have parents who are concerned on campus.
It could just be a thing that we don't want
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to have to deal with before he's his team is
second one snap.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
I could already see like an issue like.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Players trying to hit on her, like you know, like
like the stuff that could start coming out and all
these kind of stories.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And somebody, I'm not gonna point any pins. I'm pointing
at Rob g it's shaking her head, probably saying what's
wrong with his day?
Speaker 5 (06:48):
He can day who he wants today. He can can,
he absolutely can.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But what can't happen is that she become the headlines
because if this were one of his players, they would
think about what disciplining him if he were having issues,
If one of the players was having issues and there
was drama surrounding relationships and all of that, there could
be potential punishment. And that's just a fact. So for
your leader who hasn't even coached a game yet to
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be having all of this pressure and eyes on the
university for anything but football, you can understand why that
will be detrimental to them. So it's not about can
he legally date someone who can tell you whoever you day,
who he wants. It's that for the guy who ran
his entire organization on no distractions, focused locked in be
the Patriots way, that didn't carry down south to North Carolina.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
No doubt, and that's what they thought they would get it.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Take that, rod Gie.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
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Speaker 5 (07:49):
This was his response to something Tickulus look like the
angry black man. I'm not an angry black man.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I'm a very.
Speaker 8 (07:55):
Successful, educated black man with a great family, great at basketball,
I'm great.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
At what I do.
Speaker 8 (08:01):
To get the gender.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
To try to keep making me look like an angry
black man is crazy.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
I'm sick of it.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
It's ridiculous, you know what, Draymond, please save it.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I'm serious to take that tack when you swung and
hit somebody across the head again, and this is what
you've been doing, you know, let's like to put it
like make you feel guilty. I ain't doing nothing wrong,
y'all just doing this because I'm black.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Whatever.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
The league's eighty five percent black.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Nobody else is getting treated like the angry black man.
But Draymond Green, right, are you the one who sucker
punch your teammate? Are you the guy who stepped on
another player's chest and stepped on someone scrowed them?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
I mean, what are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
And I'm gonna make this very clear, Okay, I'm not
gonna put the blame on Steve Kerr and Steph Curry
even though they're enablers because it benefits them. Let him
do all this bad stuff. And we benefit. We can
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still win and get it people's hands and get guys
thrown out and find right, Draymond ain't putting up no points.
He's an important part of that team. But you know
what I mean, right, all right? So they're enablers. Remember
he sucker punched the teammate, didn't even get suspended member
we came back.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
He came back because they wanted to make sure he
was there for the ring ceremony. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Had he punched Steph like that, you think you'd have
been there for the ring ceremony, are you?
Speaker 7 (09:34):
And I'm not even gonna blame Draymond Green.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
This is what you want to be, This is where
you think, This is where your name and your image
and what you want to be long term. And you're
getting away with it because your team has won four championship.
Because if they didn't, he wouldn't be in the way
with this same thing. People would look at him totally different.
For sure, I know everybody's gonna go to Hall of
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Fame because they won four championships and all that.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
He should go to the goon hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
And if there isn't one, I'll started he'll be the
first one unanimous the Goon.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
He'll go in before hockey players. This is absolutely ridiculous.
And then to have a clutch and try to use.
Oh you're trying to pay me as an angry black man, please,
But I'm blaming the players of the NBA.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
I'm pointing to all of you.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
You are the reason that Draymond Green continues to do
what he does, which is to not play basketball, which
is trying to hurt people, main people.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Whatever you want to do.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Stepping on people, knocking up people upside the head, sucker
punching people, There's no room for that in professional basketball.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
I mean serious.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
This ain't no hertfoul or basketball played. Kelvin Yeah, he
lost the ball and let me just swing up beside
the guy's head for extra. It's always extra. It's not
the hamburger and the cheese, it's mayo and mustard and
Peter butter. He always wants to put extra on it.
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That's the issue. But I blame the players to allow
him to do this.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Over and over and over.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Why hasn't someone stopped him? And I'm that serious. When
he's attacked another player, the whole team to go and
confront Draymond and push him down or whatever it is,
and tell him, don't do that to our guys. We
will not accept it. You know how baseball police is
itself and why they don't have it, Kevin, If you're
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a pitcher and you're throwing at somebody, dude, your guys
gonna get hit.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Who's your star, Aaron Jarge?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You watch and see I'm gonna throw it his ribs,
I'm gonna throw it his wrist.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
You hit one of my guys. Players have to police
the game.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
The NBA won't do anything, the Warriors won't do anything,
Joymond Green won't do anything. The other players. I can't
believe it's going on for how many years? Fifteen years,
fourteen years? Really where the guys? I wish there was
a Charles Oakley or Anthony Mason or the Davis brothers
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in the NBA.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Everybody's solved and friendly.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Really, I'm yeah, I think was made it disappointing for
me to go on. What you're talking about right now
is the fact that he gets to do this to
any and everybody and never feel the repercussions. He gets
to knock out your start, he gets to Remember he's
take a swipe on Lebron and the keyweez. Yeah, he
gets to do all these things, and nobody ever said,
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next game. I'm telling you now, I'm serving him a
two piece of the biscuits, thank you. As soon as
the ball tips. Wow, and then that'd be that? Did
we not see that? With Robert Pouch and Bill lover
bears punch Bill as tired and letting, slamming, Larry Bird
doing this to Michale and the minute he elbowed him.
He tells the story, I told him wash the balls,
he told me shut the blank up. Okay, okay, and
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Robert Pears served him up. Doctor j served up Larry Bird.
My point is that happened when folks needed felt like
they need to be. Now here's a couple of things
I want to say about this. Number One, Draymond Green
is absolutely right, which is what makes this perplexing. Here's
what I mean. He is smart. He is a very
well thought out person. He's very articulate. Anytime you hear
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him outside of on the court, you're like, man, this
guy really knows business. He knows basketball, He's got it
well put together. Speaks about social issues, talks about family,
which is why this is more perplexing that he doesn't
get why folks are concerned about what we see on
the court versus the guy who we see and here
in press conference is earned podcasts. There's a there's a
there's a distance difference between the two. Also, this, you're
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one of one. You're the only one doing this. There's
literally no one else putting Rudy Gobert in a head
in a headline, There's literally no one else stepping.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
On that hair.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Literally, you literally put Rudy Gobert in a w W
E sleeper hole and for no reason, for no reason,
you ran into it. He wasn't the one you ran
to him, grabbed him and said, oh yeah, go to sleep,
good night night. And you step on some bonis and
you slapped this person. You make it obvious. You're not
disguising a bunch of other guys who are doing this,
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and this is.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Just the era of the league.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You're one of one.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
There's literally not a single other person going on like
this is the only other person who can be an antagonizer.
But he's not as physical as this. His is more annoying.
Here's the more getting your face his his more clapping
your face that kind of thing. You're literally stomping, stepping, punching,
choking out people. And here here's what other point that
upsets me about this, Rob Parker.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
You know this.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
There are still things that are happening in his country
to black people that are not right. There are still
things that we go through that are not correct. There's
still challenges, still polite, still burdens, yet we persevere. And
for him to use that in an instance where he
literally has created the thing is bothersome. He's too smart
and he knows better. And maybe he was in the
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heat that maybe he was mad in the moment, frustrated,
and that's not exactly what he meant, and he'll come out,
but he is too smart to know you have created
this because you literally are.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
The only one in the NBA doing this. Literally, there's
no one else doing this.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
And this is you putting extra stuff on things, extra
sauce on flailing, slapping pep in the face, and to
tie into the angry black man. I don't like that
because there is a person right now, there's a black man,
there's a black woman on their job who are dealing
with microaggressions, who are going through things and are scared
to speak up because they don't want to be perceived
as what the angry black man or black woman real
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issues and you're not saying you are right, so not
on the national stage punching, stepping, choking people and then
being perplexed while folks are like, man and nobody's calling
you an angry black man.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
What they're saying is you're doing too much.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
On the card. Why are you so aggressive with people?
Why are you continually trying to hurt people?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And what?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
And that's my thing.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
This is literally problematic to the tune of its hurts
your team to what. They were excited just the second
half a couple of games ago. They were excited that
he calmed down. Literally, Steve Currz like, we're great that
he controlled himself. So the idea now that people are
trying to paint you is something. No, they're painting you
what you are in the current era of basketball. If
this was circa nineteen eighty eight, you'd be perfectly fine.
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You fit right in. This was circa nineteen ninety four,
and you were a nick you were a Piston, you
were a Miami Heat player.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
You fit right out where we are.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
We're in twenty twenty five, and you're the only one
doing this literally, so it's obvious to see you stand out.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
So it's not like we had to putting you.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You're literally the only one doing this regularly, whether it
be regular season, playoffs, finals, You've done it all and
that's what people are calling you about.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I can't speak to what allegedly a fan might have
said if a fan called him something. He's frustrated a fan.
That's between the fan and I'm at what happened last night.
We're talking about the text. We're talking about the multiple texts.
We're talking about the fact again during a couple of
games ago, they stole the ball from your half court.
You flarge arm punched him in the face. These are
the things that we're talking about. And ain't got nothing
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to do with you black because if you were white.
Give you an example, Grayson Allen. What did we say
about Grayson Allen? Dirty busher? What's going on? Because he
was tripping people, he was elbowing people, was doing stuff
in college.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
We called him out.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
So Draymond is too smart to try to make this
a black thing, because I know I've been through stuff
you've been is.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
That the angry black man when he sucker punches teammate
Jordan Poole, Right, that was that somebody payton him in
a bad light.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
Come on, man, don't.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Use that because a people who really have to speak
on that, and you almost become the crying wolf when
you just use it any other time, because I know,
we call Grayson Allen out for being dirty all the
time because he was doing it was dirty. People called
Bill Amberll out for doing they hated him. So, dude,
there's been plenty of people in this sport and other
sports who people feel due too much or going to
extra mile, putting a little extra sauce on it. And
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it is And this is one of the rare times
I can say, yes, dog, this isn't a black thing,
and please don't use that for when it really is
something like that and it matters and people go there
they go again because that stuff is real for people
in other facets.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
This ain't that you've created this.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
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Speaker 1 (18:47):
Andrew Jones, our guest now publisher and lead writer of
Tar Hill Illustrated.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
He'll illustrated on X. What's up, Andrew? How you doing?
Speaker 8 (18:56):
Hey, guys, what's going on? I can't imagine what you
want to talk about?
Speaker 5 (19:00):
You know what I mean? You know who was better?
Vince Carter or Antonine?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Know?
Speaker 7 (19:04):
How far was Mayberry RFD from the university. That's what
I wanted to know.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
You know, there is a restaurant called aunt Bee's in town,
right near where the the fictitious Maybury occurred. They have
it's pretty wild. They have all kinds of Andy Griffiths stuff.
N there's the deep dive. If you guys were looking for,
that's all we wanted.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
You thought we were going to call you about Bill Belichick.
Come on, now, we wouldn't do that.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
We're above that. We're above that. So since we're here,
tell us more about what happened. We got.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Pablo Torri puts out from sources all types of stuff
that she's banned and his girlfriend's band and that she
might have been involved in and team events and what
Now than UNC comes out and refuted it.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
I know you have as well. You refuted it before.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Even this statement, right.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
Yeah, I found out about it that someone sent me
a text about eight fifteen. I've stayed away from it
largely because as long as it directly doesn't affect football,
we've kind of wanted to just kind of let it
take care of itself, because it's been it's the low
hanging fruit topic for a lot of people who don't
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have boots on the ground. Here, we have boots on
the ground, so we have to approach it a little differently.
But when the report said banned from the football center,
then it became a football story for us to go after.
And I reached out to my many sources over at
UNC and got a couple of them that are extremely
well placed and would know, and they said, no, that's
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not true at all. She has access to the facilities,
and they wanted to make very clear that a she's
not an employee of the university, even though I didn't
ask that, and b that she is employed by Bill
Belichick as his personal assistant in charge of branding and
those kind of things. And they even threw in that
she's not on the emails anymore. That was just during
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the transition for about five weeks after Belichick was hired.
So I reached out and asked for one thing. I
got about three or four, which tells you that they
know that they are in a bit of damage control.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
Right now, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
And that's the issue I guess too, is you can
date whoever you want, Okay, you can, but when you're
high profile, you represent a university and all this other stuff.
That interview with CBS, it just looked bad for him,
as if he's being led around by some young girl
who's dictating everything.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Is that how? I mean? People?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
How about the university? Do they do they like if
he dated her and she wasn't really it wasn't really public.
I don't think they'd have an issue at all. But
this is very, very public, and I don't know how
on campus that's going to play, you know, with the
students and with the administrators.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
What are you hearing when.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
A couple, you know, he released that statement on what
would today be called Carolina Letterhead back in the day
was letterhead about the CBS interview, and at that time
one of my stories told me today that they thought
long and hard about putting out an additional release from
the University and Athletic Department at that time, and this
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person didn't win out on that. This person actually wanted
to make sure that that got out there so they
could get it all taken care of it one time,
so there are no hanging threads or anything like that. Well,
they were overruled and it didn't happen, So they were
forced to do that today and they may have to
again in the future. It is I do think the
sensationalism of the taboo aspect of this is a big
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part of the story, especially for people outside of sports.
That's why I told you guys initially, we have to
stay away from that because our job is to cover football,
and they're they're kicking it. They're kicking I don't want
to say the costs. They're kicking some butt. On the
recruiting trail with the Portal right now, they're doing very well.
The class of twenty twenty six is off to a
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very good start thecruited recruiting the nation. They're getting commitments
from Portal kids in high school.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Winning the national championship.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
That's that's whether it happens or not. We'll cover whatever happens.
I've covered too and and I covered ten and two.
So but the point is is there's a lot of
good things happening with the football program behind the scenes,
no one's focusing on, And that's what we have to
focus on. That's what our subscribers pay us for. The
other stuffing get anywhere else. But it is now a
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little bit more of a football issue because the university's
had to speak about her with respect the football. So
now we can't ignore it moving forward.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Well, Andrew, That least when Andrew Jones, our guest publisher
and lead writer of Tar Hill illustrated.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
And he was a hell of a center fielder for
the Braves. But that's another that Yeah, that was a I.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
Was a center fielder back in the day, but I
couldn't go get it like you.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Yeah no, when he went ten gold glows, he was amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Didn't you didn't want to put him in the Hall
of Fame. I'm sorry about a two fifty three. We
won't hold this Andrew Jones time. I'm talking about that.
Let me ask you this, Okay, you just brought up
something out to me. Is why I think it still
has a little bit of its finger gripped on on
football is that Bill Belichick ran a sight ship on
no distraction zone, being locked in on being you know,
not causing anything that's going to take away from what
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the main thing being the.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Main thing, and this to me is that.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
And I can see why the university will say, well, hey,
we thought we were hiring a guy who would be
kind of clad, you know, locked in, and this wouldn't
be these types of issues wouldn't exist.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Yet here we are.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Do you think they're maybe having buyers re more so
they just kind of laugh and this is ridiculous as oscillations.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
It'll be over in a month.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
I don't think anybody's laughing. I think that there's some
people keeping a close eye on this because they knew
that she was there the initial press conference when he
was introduced. Everybody in the media is trying to get
pictures of her. She was more of a novelty at
the time. Now she's become the main story. People know
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her like they know him, and especially people that aren't
big football folks, they don't really know what his history is.
In fact, I've been pretty amazed at all the national
coverage from non sports media. They don't even mention the
University of North Carolina. Some of them think you still
coaching in the NFL, but they know her name and
they throw the images out there. I think there's some
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people that are concerned, especially when I go to practice
and she's talking to him on the practice field and
there's wide receivers doing a drill right next to him.
That's not Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Right, And that's the point. It's just not the Bill
we're used to. And that's why I see her.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
Guys. I've seen her more at U and C than
I've seen him. He doesn't give us much access. We
had a press conference in early March, after the day
of the second spring practice, and she's walking in through
the doors by the press conference, through another set of doors,
wearing a Michael Jordan tank top. And that was a
distraction because everybody in the media knew it. Some people
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actually took pictures of her. We shouldn't be doing that.
Sally Brown used to do that all time with Mac.
But no one's taking her picture. There's nothing that interesting
about her. Jordan is the story and to herself, and
she's becoming a bigger story by the week.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Well, I just.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It seemed like a lot, like I said, if you
you have your significant other and she's not coming to
work with you, and she's not you know what I mean,
Like that's what most people. People would not bother him.
I'm serious, But he's out there sporting her and she's involved.
When she came across in that CBS interview about we're
not talking about that, I think it caught a lot
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of people.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Nobody has told Bill Belichick what to do, and that's
what thought it was weird, didn't you when you watch that, Robert,
I couldn't even tell them.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
It was the first I saw the eyes. And I've
seen her up close quite a few times, and there's
a lot of curiosity when she walks in. She goes
to most of basketball games, and she'd walk into the
visiting players tunnel and people would take pictures of her
walking out in the court. And that's before a lot
of this other stuff. Now, at the spring practice that
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was open to the public, there was she came out
of the field and was talking a bunch of former
players and stuff. All the fans in that area were
looking at her and taking pictures of her, not what
was going on in the field thing too, And I
don't see that dying down anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
And she had an old boyfriend before Bill Belichick. Did
you see that guy?
Speaker 8 (27:09):
I got to stay away from that stuff.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Manti.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
There's a lot of stuff that has been advanced our
way about this, and I've been pretty consistent that I'm
not going to deal with any of it. But we
had to this week, and I think this is a
story that's going to grow and he's going to have
to address it. We don't get him very often, and
I've already told the university that the first time we
get him, I'm going to ask what her role is
because mac Brown was very open saying, you hired me,
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you hired Sally, you hired us. She's the team mom.
And when Larry Fedora was there, he used to talk
about Christy all the time I've covered NC State, Chuck
Omney used to always talk about his wife. Tom O'Brien
talked about his wife. A coaches do that a lot.
Hubert Davis, his wife is in every postgame press conference
ten feet away from him far. But they're not making
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the kind of waves that Jordan is because they don't.
There's no identified role that they had out that's like
Jordan's as far as being the publicist and in charge
of branding. Sally wasn't doing that. Sally helped renovate the
Keenan Football Center Sally Brown, but she wasn't making decisions.
She wasn't outlying how mac would be presented to the public.
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And Jordan's doing that with with Bill Belichick, which is
fascinating that he would even do that, and people in
North Carolina concerned because they would like to control that
themselves because he's their coach. So I think not having
some of the control is ruffling a few feathers for sure.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
And the last thing, sometimes, you know, I think it
is weird sometimes if Bill pauses or you know, doesn't
say anything for a minute, she feels his polls to see.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Ael. This is the part where this is the part.
Speaker 8 (28:59):
To be honest. I got to be honest with you
guys when you know, the media talks about it, and
I guess our way of getting it, getting our fix
is when we say things to one another about it.
And it's so hard sometimes to not want to bite
them some but you got to have the discipline. And
quite frankly, now that I've talked to powers that be
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in the athletic department about it, I think the cops
are off or the gloves are off. Excuse me.
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Speaker 5 (00:36):
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
Are close to the Belichick family to discuss that what
they're calling a controversial relationship between Bill Belichick, the head coach,
and Jordan Hudson, including claims, according Tore, that Hudson had
become such a problem around North Carolina that she had
been banned from the university facility. Added quote, there is
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deep worry for how detrimental Jordan can be, not just
for North Carolina, but builds legacy and reputation. Now that
had been out for two to three hours and then
UNC says no, no, no, We're put a full on
statement out and says while Jordan Hudson is not an
employee University of University of North Carolina Athletics. She is
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welcome to the Carolina football facilities. Jordan will continue to
manage all activities related to coach Belichick's personal brand outside
of his responsibilities with the football program.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Calvin, all I'm gonna do is I'm gonna get back
to what I told you a week or ten days ago.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Right when we first talked about it.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, North Carolina should just cut bait like this is
already you could see what's happening here that they need
to put out a statement for someone who's a non
employee who has nothing to do with football. Why in
the world with the university have to put out a
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statement about somebody's girlfriend who is not an employee. That
tells you already where this is headache. And I know
a couple of friends of mine are like, Rob, You're crazy.
You can't You're gonna fire, I mean, fire a guy
before you even coach one game or whatever. Yeah, if
you realize you made a mistake and it's not what
you were looking for when they hired Bill Belichick, the
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Bill Belichick in New England.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
You didn't hear.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Pete from very quiet with the reporters barely you can
barely get anything out of him, right, It was it
was totally like pulling teeth to get this guy to
be interested and have any kind of a pulse.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
Am I right?
Speaker 5 (02:42):
No, you're right?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
All of a sudden, he's got a book out, he's
got a young girlfriend, this and that, he's got a
pushback on a CBS interview. He had to put out
a statement for that. Now he's putting that. Now he's
got the university putting out a statement. Who's even saying
she don't work here, but she work here. That's that's
what they said, She don't work here, but she work here.
What really I get?
Speaker 7 (03:06):
In North Carolina?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Your football You're a basketball school and football is secondary, okay,
but you hired this guy, legendary coach. I just don't
believe that this is what they were looking for. It's
a bad look on the university. It's just bad all around.
And if I'm a parent of a recruit, he's a
legendary coach. He's dating who?
Speaker 7 (03:28):
What really?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah, he's a leader of men, a grown man who's
going around with a girl, a young woman who could
date one of the players. That's the guy I'm gonna
look up to and have respect to. Come on, it's
the irony to me run so thick, Rob.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean, this is the guy who, again no distractions
were on the Cincinnati This is the guy who ran
the show similar to a military. I mean, we didn't
even know Tom Brady had a personality till he finally
left Tampa Bay, era, till he left up there in
New England. This is the guy who was big on
no distraction football, football, football, and yet here you are.
This is why I'm bringing him in if I'm unc
(04:08):
I'm bringing him in for these things, to set the
standard for these things, because young guys as me, you,
Sam and Rob Wallo, when you're young, you're dumb and
you're doing stupid things. You're full of distractions, You're full
of lack of focus. So the guy I'm supposed to
be bringing it in, who is issuing out these things,
having people locked in on these things, is now nothing
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but a distraction.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Who's doing interviews with holes in his shirt.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Still at no point, Bill put on a polo, put
on a button down, put on a button down.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But now you want to be on here, and I Garret.
Let mean I say guarantee you. I would think that
she understands branding and says, hey, you wearing the holes
in your shirt is what you've been doing, the holes
and hoodies, and stick to the brand. Stick to the brand.
As she's running running and being his publicist. And again
you're allowed today who you want to date. But that
doesn't mean there aren't issues that a university can take
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with this right. You can do whatever we want, but
just know we have issues with that. Public can say, hey,
legally you can do what you want, but the public
opinion is well that seems a little strange, but that
but that's.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
The reason that in these big contracts with a lot
of money, there are more clauses. I was just explaining
at the barbershop. People don't understand that legality, right, It's
just like, this is what you agree to when you
sign this million dollar contrast, it's not legality, it's what
we feel could be morally wrong or set this organization
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or in this case, or university back.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And again it also may lead to them having because
he have questionable judgment.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Can we talk about Trevor Bauer like teams are dying
for pitching okay, if you're to Baltimore or the teams
that are, and they still just they rather not because
they don't rather not. We don't want you to wear
our uniform. We'd rather not. You can pitch nobody saying
you can't. We'd rather not. And that's the thing. Bill
Belichick doesn't have to be a bad guy. She doesn't
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have to be the worst girl in the world or
anything like that. It could just be that something doesn't
seem right to the university or too folks, or to
to as you know, board of directors at schools, and
they say, ah, we're dealing with a bunch of young
people and our leader, who's in his seventies is dating
someone young. We could have parents who are concerned on campus.
It could just be a thing that we don't want
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to have to deal with before he's his team is
second one snap.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
I could already see like an issue like.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Players trying to hit on her, like you know, like
like the stuff that could start coming out and all
these kind of stories.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And somebody, I'm not gonna point any pins. I'm pointing
at Rob g it's shaking her head, probably saying what's
wrong with his day?
Speaker 5 (06:48):
He can day who he wants today. He can can,
he absolutely can.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But what can't happen is that she become the headlines
because if this were one of his players, they would
think about what disciplining him if he were having issues,
If one of the players was having issues and there
was drama surrounding relationships and all of that, there could
be potential punishment. And that's just a fact. So for
your leader who hasn't even coached a game yet to
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be having all of this pressure and eyes on the
university for anything but football, you can understand why that
will be detrimental to them. So it's not about can
he legally date someone who can tell you whoever you day,
who he wants. It's that for the guy who ran
his entire organization on no distractions, focused locked in be
the Patriots way, that didn't carry down south to North Carolina.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
No doubt, and that's what they thought they would get it.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Take that, rod Gie.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
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Speaker 5 (07:49):
This was his response to something Tickulus look like the
angry black man. I'm not an angry black man.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I'm a very.
Speaker 8 (07:55):
Successful, educated black man with a great family, great at basketball,
I'm great.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
At what I do.
Speaker 8 (08:01):
To get the gender.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
To try to keep making me look like an angry
black man is crazy.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
I'm sick of it.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
It's ridiculous, you know what, Draymond, please save it.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I'm serious to take that tack when you swung and
hit somebody across the head again, and this is what
you've been doing, you know, let's like to put it
like make you feel guilty. I ain't doing nothing wrong,
y'all just doing this because I'm black.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Whatever.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
The league's eighty five percent black.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Nobody else is getting treated like the angry black man.
But Draymond Green, right, are you the one who sucker
punch your teammate? Are you the guy who stepped on
another player's chest and stepped on someone scrowed them?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
I mean, what are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
And I'm gonna make this very clear, Okay, I'm not
gonna put the blame on Steve Kerr and Steph Curry
even though they're enablers because it benefits them. Let him
do all this bad stuff. And we benefit. We can
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still win and get it people's hands and get guys
thrown out and find right, Draymond ain't putting up no points.
He's an important part of that team. But you know
what I mean, right, all right? So they're enablers. Remember
he sucker punched the teammate, didn't even get suspended member
we came back.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
He came back because they wanted to make sure he
was there for the ring ceremony. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Had he punched Steph like that, you think you'd have
been there for the ring ceremony, are you?
Speaker 7 (09:34):
And I'm not even gonna blame Draymond Green.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
This is what you want to be, This is where
you think, This is where your name and your image
and what you want to be long term. And you're
getting away with it because your team has won four championship.
Because if they didn't, he wouldn't be in the way
with this same thing. People would look at him totally different.
For sure, I know everybody's gonna go to Hall of
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Fame because they won four championships and all that.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
He should go to the goon hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
And if there isn't one, I'll started he'll be the
first one unanimous the Goon.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
He'll go in before hockey players. This is absolutely ridiculous.
And then to have a clutch and try to use.
Oh you're trying to pay me as an angry black man, please,
But I'm blaming the players of the NBA.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
I'm pointing to all of you.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
You are the reason that Draymond Green continues to do
what he does, which is to not play basketball, which
is trying to hurt people, main people.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Whatever you want to do.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Stepping on people, knocking up people upside the head, sucker
punching people, There's no room for that in professional basketball.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
I mean serious.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
This ain't no hertfoul or basketball played. Kelvin Yeah, he
lost the ball and let me just swing up beside
the guy's head for extra. It's always extra. It's not
the hamburger and the cheese, it's mayo and mustard and
Peter butter. He always wants to put extra on it.
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That's the issue. But I blame the players to allow
him to do this.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Over and over and over.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Why hasn't someone stopped him? And I'm that serious. When
he's attacked another player, the whole team to go and
confront Draymond and push him down or whatever it is,
and tell him, don't do that to our guys. We
will not accept it. You know how baseball police is
itself and why they don't have it, Kevin, If you're
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a pitcher and you're throwing at somebody, dude, your guys
gonna get hit.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Who's your star, Aaron Jarge?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You watch and see I'm gonna throw it his ribs,
I'm gonna throw it his wrist.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
You hit one of my guys. Players have to police
the game.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
The NBA won't do anything, the Warriors won't do anything,
Joymond Green won't do anything. The other players. I can't
believe it's going on for how many years? Fifteen years,
fourteen years? Really where the guys? I wish there was
a Charles Oakley or Anthony Mason or the Davis brothers
(12:32):
in the NBA.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Everybody's solved and friendly.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Really, I'm yeah, I think was made it disappointing for
me to go on. What you're talking about right now
is the fact that he gets to do this to
any and everybody and never feel the repercussions. He gets
to knock out your start, he gets to Remember he's
take a swipe on Lebron and the keyweez. Yeah, he
gets to do all these things, and nobody ever said,
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next game. I'm telling you now, I'm serving him a
two piece of the biscuits, thank you. As soon as
the ball tips. Wow, and then that'd be that? Did
we not see that? With Robert Pouch and Bill lover
bears punch Bill as tired and letting, slamming, Larry Bird
doing this to Michale and the minute he elbowed him.
He tells the story, I told him wash the balls,
he told me shut the blank up. Okay, okay, and
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Robert Pears served him up. Doctor j served up Larry Bird.
My point is that happened when folks needed felt like
they need to be. Now here's a couple of things
I want to say about this. Number One, Draymond Green
is absolutely right, which is what makes this perplexing. Here's
what I mean. He is smart. He is a very
well thought out person. He's very articulate. Anytime you hear
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him outside of on the court, you're like, man, this
guy really knows business. He knows basketball, He's got it
well put together. Speaks about social issues, talks about family,
which is why this is more perplexing that he doesn't
get why folks are concerned about what we see on
the court versus the guy who we see and here
in press conference is earned podcasts. There's a there's a
there's a distance difference between the two. Also, this, you're
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one of one. You're the only one doing this. There's
literally no one else putting Rudy Gobert in a head
in a headline, There's literally no one else stepping.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
On that hair.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Literally, you literally put Rudy Gobert in a w W
E sleeper hole and for no reason, for no reason,
you ran into it. He wasn't the one you ran
to him, grabbed him and said, oh yeah, go to sleep,
good night night. And you step on some bonis and
you slapped this person. You make it obvious. You're not
disguising a bunch of other guys who are doing this,
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and this is.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Just the era of the league.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You're one of one.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
There's literally not a single other person going on like
this is the only other person who can be an antagonizer.
But he's not as physical as this. His is more annoying.
Here's the more getting your face his his more clapping
your face that kind of thing. You're literally stomping, stepping, punching,
choking out people. And here here's what other point that
upsets me about this, Rob Parker.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
You know this.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
There are still things that are happening in his country
to black people that are not right. There are still
things that we go through that are not correct. There's
still challenges, still polite, still burdens, yet we persevere. And
for him to use that in an instance where he
literally has created the thing is bothersome. He's too smart
and he knows better. And maybe he was in the
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heat that maybe he was mad in the moment, frustrated,
and that's not exactly what he meant, and he'll come out,
but he is too smart to know you have created
this because you literally are.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
The only one in the NBA doing this. Literally, there's
no one else doing this.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
And this is you putting extra stuff on things, extra
sauce on flailing, slapping pep in the face, and to
tie into the angry black man. I don't like that
because there is a person right now, there's a black man,
there's a black woman on their job who are dealing
with microaggressions, who are going through things and are scared
to speak up because they don't want to be perceived
as what the angry black man or black woman real
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issues and you're not saying you are right, so not
on the national stage punching, stepping, choking people and then
being perplexed while folks are like, man and nobody's calling
you an angry black man.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
What they're saying is you're doing too much.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
On the card. Why are you so aggressive with people?
Why are you continually trying to hurt people?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And what?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
And that's my thing.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
This is literally problematic to the tune of its hurts
your team to what. They were excited just the second
half a couple of games ago. They were excited that
he calmed down. Literally, Steve Currz like, we're great that
he controlled himself. So the idea now that people are
trying to paint you is something. No, they're painting you
what you are in the current era of basketball. If
this was circa nineteen eighty eight, you'd be perfectly fine.
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You fit right in. This was circa nineteen ninety four,
and you were a nick you were a Piston, you
were a Miami Heat player.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
You fit right out where we are.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
We're in twenty twenty five, and you're the only one
doing this literally, so it's obvious to see you stand out.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
So it's not like we had to putting you.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You're literally the only one doing this regularly, whether it
be regular season, playoffs, finals, You've done it all and
that's what people are calling you about.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I can't speak to what allegedly a fan might have
said if a fan called him something. He's frustrated a fan.
That's between the fan and I'm at what happened last night.
We're talking about the text. We're talking about the multiple texts.
We're talking about the fact again during a couple of
games ago, they stole the ball from your half court.
You flarge arm punched him in the face. These are
the things that we're talking about. And ain't got nothing
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to do with you black because if you were white.
Give you an example, Grayson Allen. What did we say
about Grayson Allen? Dirty busher? What's going on? Because he
was tripping people, he was elbowing people, was doing stuff
in college.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
We called him out.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
So Draymond is too smart to try to make this
a black thing, because I know I've been through stuff
you've been is.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
That the angry black man when he sucker punches teammate
Jordan Poole, Right, that was that somebody payton him in
a bad light.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
Come on, man, don't.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Use that because a people who really have to speak
on that, and you almost become the crying wolf when
you just use it any other time, because I know,
we call Grayson Allen out for being dirty all the
time because he was doing it was dirty. People called
Bill Amberll out for doing they hated him. So, dude,
there's been plenty of people in this sport and other
sports who people feel due too much or going to
extra mile, putting a little extra sauce on it. And
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it is And this is one of the rare times
I can say, yes, dog, this isn't a black thing,
and please don't use that for when it really is
something like that and it matters and people go there
they go again because that stuff is real for people
in other facets.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
This ain't that you've created this.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
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Speaker 1 (18:47):
Andrew Jones, our guest now publisher and lead writer of
Tar Hill Illustrated.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
He'll illustrated on X. What's up, Andrew? How you doing?
Speaker 8 (18:56):
Hey, guys, what's going on? I can't imagine what you
want to talk about?
Speaker 5 (19:00):
You know what I mean? You know who was better?
Vince Carter or Antonine?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Know?
Speaker 7 (19:04):
How far was Mayberry RFD from the university. That's what
I wanted to know.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
You know, there is a restaurant called aunt Bee's in town,
right near where the the fictitious Maybury occurred. They have
it's pretty wild. They have all kinds of Andy Griffiths stuff.
N there's the deep dive. If you guys were looking for,
that's all we wanted.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
You thought we were going to call you about Bill Belichick.
Come on, now, we wouldn't do that.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
We're above that. We're above that. So since we're here,
tell us more about what happened. We got.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Pablo Torri puts out from sources all types of stuff
that she's banned and his girlfriend's band and that she
might have been involved in and team events and what
Now than UNC comes out and refuted it.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
I know you have as well. You refuted it before.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Even this statement, right.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
Yeah, I found out about it that someone sent me
a text about eight fifteen. I've stayed away from it
largely because as long as it directly doesn't affect football,
we've kind of wanted to just kind of let it
take care of itself, because it's been it's the low
hanging fruit topic for a lot of people who don't
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have boots on the ground. Here, we have boots on
the ground, so we have to approach it a little differently.
But when the report said banned from the football center,
then it became a football story for us to go after.
And I reached out to my many sources over at
UNC and got a couple of them that are extremely
well placed and would know, and they said, no, that's
(20:29):
not true at all. She has access to the facilities,
and they wanted to make very clear that a she's
not an employee of the university, even though I didn't
ask that, and b that she is employed by Bill
Belichick as his personal assistant in charge of branding and
those kind of things. And they even threw in that
she's not on the emails anymore. That was just during
(20:51):
the transition for about five weeks after Belichick was hired.
So I reached out and asked for one thing. I
got about three or four, which tells you that they
know that they are in a bit of damage control.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
Right now, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
And that's the issue I guess too, is you can
date whoever you want, Okay, you can, but when you're
high profile, you represent a university and all this other stuff.
That interview with CBS, it just looked bad for him,
as if he's being led around by some young girl
who's dictating everything.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Is that how? I mean? People?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
How about the university? Do they do they like if
he dated her and she wasn't really it wasn't really public.
I don't think they'd have an issue at all. But
this is very, very public, and I don't know how
on campus that's going to play, you know, with the
students and with the administrators.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
What are you hearing when.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
A couple, you know, he released that statement on what
would today be called Carolina Letterhead back in the day
was letterhead about the CBS interview, and at that time
one of my stories told me today that they thought
long and hard about putting out an additional release from
the University and Athletic Department at that time, and this
(22:03):
person didn't win out on that. This person actually wanted
to make sure that that got out there so they
could get it all taken care of it one time,
so there are no hanging threads or anything like that. Well,
they were overruled and it didn't happen, So they were
forced to do that today and they may have to
again in the future. It is I do think the
sensationalism of the taboo aspect of this is a big
(22:26):
part of the story, especially for people outside of sports.
That's why I told you guys initially, we have to
stay away from that because our job is to cover football,
and they're they're kicking it. They're kicking I don't want
to say the costs. They're kicking some butt. On the
recruiting trail with the Portal right now, they're doing very well.
The class of twenty twenty six is off to a
(22:46):
very good start thecruited recruiting the nation. They're getting commitments
from Portal kids in high school.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Winning the national championship.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
That's that's whether it happens or not. We'll cover whatever happens.
I've covered too and and I covered ten and two.
So but the point is is there's a lot of
good things happening with the football program behind the scenes,
no one's focusing on, And that's what we have to
focus on. That's what our subscribers pay us for. The
other stuffing get anywhere else. But it is now a
(23:15):
little bit more of a football issue because the university's
had to speak about her with respect the football. So
now we can't ignore it moving forward.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Well, Andrew, That least when Andrew Jones, our guest publisher
and lead writer of Tar Hill illustrated.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
And he was a hell of a center fielder for
the Braves. But that's another that Yeah, that was a I.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
Was a center fielder back in the day, but I
couldn't go get it like you.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Yeah no, when he went ten gold glows, he was amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Didn't you didn't want to put him in the Hall
of Fame. I'm sorry about a two fifty three. We
won't hold this Andrew Jones time. I'm talking about that.
Let me ask you this, Okay, you just brought up
something out to me. Is why I think it still
has a little bit of its finger gripped on on
football is that Bill Belichick ran a sight ship on
no distraction zone, being locked in on being you know,
not causing anything that's going to take away from what
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the main thing being the.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Main thing, and this to me is that.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
And I can see why the university will say, well, hey,
we thought we were hiring a guy who would be
kind of clad, you know, locked in, and this wouldn't
be these types of issues wouldn't exist.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Yet here we are.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Do you think they're maybe having buyers re more so
they just kind of laugh and this is ridiculous as oscillations.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
It'll be over in a month.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
I don't think anybody's laughing. I think that there's some
people keeping a close eye on this because they knew
that she was there the initial press conference when he
was introduced. Everybody in the media is trying to get
pictures of her. She was more of a novelty at
the time. Now she's become the main story. People know
(24:41):
her like they know him, and especially people that aren't
big football folks, they don't really know what his history is.
In fact, I've been pretty amazed at all the national
coverage from non sports media. They don't even mention the
University of North Carolina. Some of them think you still
coaching in the NFL, but they know her name and
they throw the images out there. I think there's some
(25:02):
people that are concerned, especially when I go to practice
and she's talking to him on the practice field and
there's wide receivers doing a drill right next to him.
That's not Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Right, And that's the point. It's just not the Bill
we're used to. And that's why I see her.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
Guys. I've seen her more at U and C than
I've seen him. He doesn't give us much access. We
had a press conference in early March, after the day
of the second spring practice, and she's walking in through
the doors by the press conference, through another set of doors,
wearing a Michael Jordan tank top. And that was a
distraction because everybody in the media knew it. Some people
(25:42):
actually took pictures of her. We shouldn't be doing that.
Sally Brown used to do that all time with Mac.
But no one's taking her picture. There's nothing that interesting
about her. Jordan is the story and to herself, and
she's becoming a bigger story by the week.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Well, I just.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It seemed like a lot, like I said, if you
you have your significant other and she's not coming to
work with you, and she's not you know what I mean,
Like that's what most people. People would not bother him.
I'm serious, But he's out there sporting her and she's involved.
When she came across in that CBS interview about we're
not talking about that, I think it caught a lot
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of people.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Nobody has told Bill Belichick what to do, and that's
what thought it was weird, didn't you when you watch that, Robert,
I couldn't even tell them.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
It was the first I saw the eyes. And I've
seen her up close quite a few times, and there's
a lot of curiosity when she walks in. She goes
to most of basketball games, and she'd walk into the
visiting players tunnel and people would take pictures of her
walking out in the court. And that's before a lot
of this other stuff. Now, at the spring practice that
(26:47):
was open to the public, there was she came out
of the field and was talking a bunch of former
players and stuff. All the fans in that area were
looking at her and taking pictures of her, not what
was going on in the field thing too, And I
don't see that dying down anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
And she had an old boyfriend before Bill Belichick. Did
you see that guy?
Speaker 8 (27:09):
I got to stay away from that stuff.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Manti.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
There's a lot of stuff that has been advanced our
way about this, and I've been pretty consistent that I'm
not going to deal with any of it. But we
had to this week, and I think this is a
story that's going to grow and he's going to have
to address it. We don't get him very often, and
I've already told the university that the first time we
get him, I'm going to ask what her role is
because mac Brown was very open saying, you hired me,
(27:40):
you hired Sally, you hired us. She's the team mom.
And when Larry Fedora was there, he used to talk
about Christy all the time I've covered NC State, Chuck
Omney used to always talk about his wife. Tom O'Brien
talked about his wife. A coaches do that a lot.
Hubert Davis, his wife is in every postgame press conference
ten feet away from him far. But they're not making
(28:02):
the kind of waves that Jordan is because they don't.
There's no identified role that they had out that's like
Jordan's as far as being the publicist and in charge
of branding. Sally wasn't doing that. Sally helped renovate the
Keenan Football Center Sally Brown, but she wasn't making decisions.
She wasn't outlying how mac would be presented to the public.
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And Jordan's doing that with with Bill Belichick, which is
fascinating that he would even do that, and people in
North Carolina concerned because they would like to control that
themselves because he's their coach. So I think not having
some of the control is ruffling a few feathers for sure.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
And the last thing, sometimes, you know, I think it
is weird sometimes if Bill pauses or you know, doesn't
say anything for a minute, she feels his polls to see.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Ael. This is the part where this is the part.
Speaker 8 (28:59):
To be honest. I got to be honest with you
guys when you know, the media talks about it, and
I guess our way of getting it, getting our fix
is when we say things to one another about it.
And it's so hard sometimes to not want to bite
them some but you got to have the discipline. And
quite frankly, now that I've talked to powers that be
(29:21):
in the athletic department about it, I think the cops
are off or the gloves are off. Excuse me.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Welcome, thank you, thank you, appreciate you and
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