May 14, 2025 • 33 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether it’s good for the NBA that the last two champions (Boston Celtics and Denver Broncos) getting bounced out of the playoffs early is good for the league, argue whether the Kansas City Chiefs deserve to get a league-high 8 primetime games next season and explain why they would not vote Pete Rose into the Baseball Hall of Fame even after he was posthumously reinstated by Rob Manfred.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
The NBA playoffs are in full swing. We're ready for
the conference finals, getting ready. Teams are ready to move on.
We got the Nickson, the Celtics. Yeah, and then Golden
State can get knocked out tonight against the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
And you don't like this new NBA.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
No, no, no, I don't dislike it, no no, no. I'm
their audience. I am a basketball junkie. I love it,
mall in. But what I don't like is how some
people are trying to sell the idea that, oh man,
there's so much parody. We love it and we haven't
had back to back champions since the Warriors of twenty
seventeen twenty eighteen, and so everybody's all, oh man, this
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is good for basketball. You never know, hey, Rob, Rob,
you never know who's gonna win this year. It's wide open.
You don't want to wide open NBA run to the final.
Stop that everybody trying to sell me on that what
you want? Because what do we always hear?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Man?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I love the glory days. I love when basketball was
at its best. What decade eighties? What decades nineties? Well
let's break it down, rob a little bit. In the eighties,
every finals either had the Lakers in it or the
Celtics in it, and either they wanted or lost it,
but they were in the finals. So you knew the players,
you knew the storylines. You loved them or you hate them,
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but you tuned in. You love the rivalry between them,
or maybe you love the rival between the Celtics, and
you had the Celtics and the Pistons going at it,
or the seventy six is going at it. You like
the familiarity, like you knew what you're gonna get, the
best of the best going at it, the best players
literally three time MVP and Larry Bird MVPs and Magic Johnson.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
You knew you were gonna get that.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Then there was a little team, a blip in between,
that also went to three straight finals. They won two
of the three, eighty eight, eighty nine, ninety was the
Pistons the bad Boys. So again familiarity, going up against
the Lakers in eighty eight, going up against the beginning
eighty nine, beating them, then going up as well ninety
against the Trailblazers. But you had that then you know
who won ninety one, two and three the Bulls. Michael
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Jordan decided to go play your favorite sport.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
He got.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's how you got in his ear and told him
he should go be a baseball player. He goes and
plays baseball, and the Rockets went back to back. Then
the Bulls come and win three more. And so my
point is we just we have it where we get
the best teams, we get the best players ala Michael
Jordan in the nineties, a La Jaquem Olajuan in the
nineties as well, ninety four and ninety five. And I
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think that's part of what we've been missing, rob is
having the last a handful of years, the rivalries, the beefs,
the teams that you kind of know, like the Warriors
and Calves going at it that little four year stretch.
And so what the Celtics as they just start this
game and like, if the Celtics lose, which looks like
they very well could, and they don't even know if
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they would make it to the Eastern Conference finals.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Out the finals, if.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
They happen to have beat the Knicks, well, then that
we would have another different champion, as they're the reigning
champions as we speak. And I was just thinking, like,
I don't know if that's as necessarily as cool as
people think about when they say, oh man, it's cool
you never know who's gonna win. We got parody. I
don't think we want parody quite as much as we
think we do. I think we want teams that are good.
But at the end of the day, I think we
want those two or three teams that we kind of
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have been dependent on and seeing for the last several years.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Totally disagree. I'm so bored with like the same old,
same o. And like recently we've had teams who've won
and it's been good. I don't know, Denver had never won.
They they finally won, they would I don't think that
was bad.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
No, no, no, it's not bad, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
You got when the Bucks won. Then once it's lewell,
the Raptors had never won. I mean like, so this
whole idea and now as we look, it's just a
changing of the guard. And I don't think it's bad
because some of these teams, Indiana, this will be their
second year in a row in the Eastern Conference finals.
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Maybe this is their their push where they're going to
push through finally, you know, get to a championship, maybe
even win a champion whatever it is, and maybe they're
starting something. Okay, the Timberwolves, if they can get there again,
that would be two years in a row that they
made it to the Western Coast. So it's not like
they haven't worked towards this. We always talk about the NBA.
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It's a process. It takes you a couple of steps.
We're not talking about Detroit and Houston. If if they
if Detroit and Houston were in it, then maybe I
would buy into that. But the teams that I'm looking at,
and even in the next case last year they lost
in seven games in the second round where Indiana went
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to the Eastern Conference Finals, and then they also picked
up Kat to boast of their thing, and they want
to take the next step by going out and getting
a player like that mckel Bridges. They've added pieces to
get to their next step. So we're watching the Knicks
as a as a step in progress, and and the
teams that are going to be left or in the
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conference finals. I'm cool with that. Who's the surprise? Like
the the one the surprise? I got a left field?
If the Pistons were in it and you knew they
had no chance, or Houston was in it and you know
they gonna have no chance. Why can't Indiana win? Why
can't the Timberwolves win? Like like, these are teams that
have worked their way up. So I think that this
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is a natural progression. I feel watch anything. Here's here's
what I don't want to see the I don't want
to see the bad Lakers. I don't want to see
the Celtic.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Here's the thing though, had they been had they gotten
to the finals, clearly they wouldn't have been bad.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
So my point is, Denver, you brought them up. That
was cool.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Wait, great, then get back to the finals. Boston, great,
congrats they worked towards it. I agree they had been
working towards it. Get back to the finals.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Now it looks like they're so Boston hadn't, but when
they won, they hadn't won since two thousand and eight,
and they had their they went to the finals, they lost,
and they had their progression as well. So I get
the history of the Celtics, but from two thousand and
eight to twenty twenty four, right, which is a significant
amount of time, they weren't in that mix as far
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as winning, and they had gotten closer and closer, but
they hadn't won in a wy.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Even you go back to that two thousand and eight
Celtics team, they would have gotten back to two thousand
and nine, but KG gets hurt. But they got back
in twenty ten. So my point is you had those
teams Kobe, they go but three straight finals a game
with Powell and so they won two of those. So
my point is we historically this is more what we've had.
We had the shocking Kobe years. They go four out
of five years, they won three of the four. So
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the Spurs miss the year, come back three, five o seven.
My point is this is what we've had in the
NBA for decades where we have these And so I'm
not mad at different one. I'm saying Denver get back.
I'm that mad at Boston one. Dem had the chance
to get back to them. They're not out of it.
They're not out of it.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
They haven't been eliminated.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And my point is, Okay, they won, they got knocked
off last year, but they're still in the mix. They're
not out of it. And the same thing. There's a
lot of good teams and younger players. Maybe ant Man develops,
he finally gets his team there and now he makes
a run, and the Timberwolves were in the mix every
year or whatever. I just see this as progression, and
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I think it is good for the NBA. Who wants
to see the same teams I told you, But this
like the Chiefs. It's like like they maybe to the
Super Bowl. I was tired of the Chiefs. A lot
of people were tired of the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
But Ron, you say, see different. Literally, that's not the
history of the NBA. It was a celticusy and sire
sixties a half to seventies.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
But that was that was It was sports though, right,
But the Yankees went every year the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
What I'm saying so missing with the NBA.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
We're literally, listen to me, what's missing is good basketball.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
That's what I'm missing. I don't have a problem.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
If we have a good series and it's Indiana against
the Timberwolves, I wouldn't be mad at that. I get
to see ant Man and maybe this and maybe Tyreese
Halliburton develops into the star that maybe we have been seeing.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You're giving and that's the point you're giving me a
bunch of maybies. When I had this, when I had
the Warriors going up against Skeffs, what I knew. I
knew Lebron was arguably be the best player, but don't there,
and I knew Kyrie, and I knew it Steph Clay
Draymond and then Katie eventually that's what we've seen.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So I get there. They weren't there. Lebron didn't win
for eight years. He had to get there. So Halliburton
has to get there. Ant Man has to get there,
and Michael Jordan has to get there. I don't understand
there wasn't instant.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
You're missing the point of what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Celtics are already there, so I'm saying they need to
get there this year to walk get back to what
I'm saying is to continue what the point of how
the NBA has flown. When you have dominant teams because
in the NBA is different than the NFL. It's different
than MLB. If I have a Steph Curry, well for
the next seven, eight, nineteen years, I got a great
shot in the five I have a Lebron if I
have a Kobe, because it's one player who gets to
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play both sides of the ball. It's not like NFL,
whereas eleven guys on offense and eleven guys of defense.
And it's a lot harder to just necessarily keep continuing
to get somewhere. NBA, if I got the best player
or two, I got a shot every year, and then
you start to build storylines, You start to build rivalries.
We get to have that, and that adds to the
extra juice of it. I love who So I'm loving
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all of it, but I'm saying I love that we
used to have storylines and dramas.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Story right lines and rival man's not a storyline. What's
the storyline? He's a really good player.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
The storyline is like, is he going to take the
next step and be able to get his team to
the championship?
Speaker 4 (09:57):
And then you start to say maybe he is.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
The face, Like there's a story there that we're still
waiting to see play. Can the Joker bring his team
back and win the final two games?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Are you wait?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You had them that they had them locked up. He
goes score scored forty to our points. Nobody helped them,
but they didn't have him locked up. What if he
scores fifty in game six and seventy in game seven
and they get back to the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
There's a huge storyline there. You're going at a game meaning, Okay,
he had a great game. What I'm saying is no.
But I'm saying you look at the history of the
basketball ride.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I don't rob.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
We always say, man, I wish they was like the eighties, Elijah,
because you had the Celtics and Lakers.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I wish it was the nine better back. Six of
the championships were with one ball headed dude.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Michael Jordan literally was like, Hey, I'm gona get y'all
a couple years. I'm gon go play some baseball real quick,
smokes the guards and golf. I'll be back and win
three more So, my point is this is how it's been.
The two thousands was the Spurs and the Lakers didn't
win every year, three, five.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Seven, and I'm saying that the other two one two two.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
The other two was spread out over like eight years, right.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
But what I'm saying is, you have these teams, you
have these stories, have these rivalries that has literally been
what it's been rocked.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
These are not these.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's just one championship. I don't look at them that way.
And I'm not surprised when you missed seventy five threes
that they should be going to the finals or something
or they're on their way.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I'm cool with where we are. I am I'm not
buying it up.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
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Speaker 5 (11:47):
The schedule is out now across the league, everybody's getting theirs.
And now, as you guys know, we talked to plenty
of football players, both past and current. The first thing
that they used to they look at is number one
on'd you buy? And number two how many primetime games
we got? Because that's one thing they're very excited about.
Everybody wants to show up and show out on Monday
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night on Sunday Night, so on and so forth. Well,
the Kansas City Chiefs, the New America's team, are now
the first team in NFL history to receive five primetime
games in their first eight weeks of the season.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
They got the Chargers in Brazil.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
We talked about that, Giant Sunday Night, Jags Monday Night,
Lions Sunday Night, Commanders Monday Night. Oh yeah, and they're
also playing on Thanksgiving and Christmas. So basically half of
the Chiefs games this season will be in some kind
of primetime spotlighted game.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Rob Parker, your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
The NFL needs to stop living in the past. The
Kansas City Chiefs are the worst in the NFL. And
you'll say, well, what about Tennessee, what about some of
the other teams like that? There there were no where
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they are now compared to what we first started watching
the Chiefs, these games are unwatchable.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Patrick Mahomes. No vertical.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
We're not throwing the ball downfield, dinking dunks, throwing interceptions
every game and for the Chiefs by three points because
the other team made a mistake or mister.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Field goal, that's how they win the game.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
It's not a project. Mahomes seventy five yard bomb. It'd
be different if we didn't see that from the beginning.
Do you get my point on why did a worst watch? Literally,
I'd rather watch reruns of Gilligan's Island.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
But you really would, though I would, they would enjoy that.
It's the point I mean. I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
The Chiefs their games are terrible nineteen to seventeen, and
they used to blow people out forty to fifty points.
You were like, wow, that's why everybody hook line and sinkerhole.
Patrick Mahomes is going to be the goat? Really, have
you watched the last two years? The NFL's living in
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the past. They think they still have Seinfeld ratings. No,
they don't. This is not Seinfeld. This is Cringefeld. That's
what this is. Because you cringe when you watch the Chiefs.
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You go, it's Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Really this bad?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I thought he was going to be the goat.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Andy Reid. You thought he was offensive genius. Those aren't plays.
That's a Denny's menu. That's why they can't score any runs,
any points. And I go, you know, men times, I'm like,
I clear my Monday night schedule to watch this garbage.
My TV stinks when I'm watching the Chiefs game.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
That's how bad it is.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Oh my, the NFL has blown a gasket by delivering
all these games to the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
They're not worth it.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
They're the chefs, not the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That's why I'm glad I'm here, Elijah, to bring some
sanity to that. That's why it's called the eye couple,
because somebody gotta be on the other side of this
absurdness that you're saying right now. Now, I do agree
with you that the Chiefs ain't chiefing like they used to. Okay,
the Chiefs ain't giving it with like you mentioned Pat
Mahone's forty five touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
However, you are generally rewarded in life when you've been successful.
You are successful, people will give you some slack. So
the slack is being given. Hey, Kansas City Chiefs, you
weren't necessarily as exciting, but you have been very exciting
for us for all these years and one of the
most fun teams to watch for the first handful of
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years of this. Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid run. Therefore, you're
being rewarded. Also, Rob Parker, mister facts over feelings. Let
me present some to you. Twenty five and a half
million viewers per game last year, making them the most
watched team in the league, and they have been right
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there for the last handful of years. So people are
watching them because they either love him, he's exciting, maybe
they do want the old Patrick Mahomes, or they're hate
watching them. I agree some people are hate watching them.
And you mentioned he might not be the goat, Well,
he is on his way to potentially be the goat.
And you know what else the goat used to do.
Tom Brady, he was the king of the Deacon Dunks.
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All he threw was three yard slants to pick a
small receiver, a moondola Wes Welker. That's all he did.
So he did the same thing for years and was
rewarded successful championships, high ratings. People watch the Patriots, they
hate watching them, It didn't matter they watch. So I
also think the league knows Rob they're gonna be on
a revenge tour. They're about to go zero dollar thirties.
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They didn't have a Sea ranks. He'll be backing healthy.
He was ball in the first few weeks before he
got injured. Here we go, worthy Brown.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Selling this whole thing. And have you watched behind you?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Have you watched all the interceptions, like have his receivers
his best receiver was not there because there was a.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Rest receivering through to the other team. Is that what happened?
Who throwing to need some help?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
So he threw to the other team because not to
the guy who was running to play? Great players make
anybody who come in. That used to be Tom Brady's
claim the fame. They got a guy from Duncan donut to.
Now he's catching passes from Tom Brady, right, Okay, So
Patrick Mahomes, shouldn't that be the same case if he's
supposedly some goat.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
He and he absolutely tuned to the tune of fifteen
and two rop boy. If I let you tell it,
and I just failed for Mars, I would think the
Chiefs were two and fifteen.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
The only make it to the super only reason, the
only reason that the Chiefs get good ratings is exactly
what the NFL just did. They give them all the
prime time slots. So that's when people watch the games
on the big nights. If you give them what today
opening night right from where they Brazil, that's the start
of football. You're not gonna get monster ratings the first
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night of a real football game after eight months, I'm
gets playing.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
If I put this on a Monday night, at times
the Jags inc or they're the first night.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
That first night is first night. I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna hurt first night.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But if I put the Jags on the Monday night
Jags Bears, that Monday night is not gonna draw, like
if I put Chiefs Eagles.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Okay, now, you you work on television, got a TV
job during the day, So let me explain the ratings
to you and help you out. Even the New York
Football Giants averaged twenty one million viewers a game. You
know why not because it was good footballer. They wanted
to see Danny Dimes and those other guys. It's because
they had five primetime games. It's nothing. It's about the
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schedule where you are in the game. More so, tell
me the Giants were not pathetic last year. That were
glad you said that Rodney one million.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
They literally live in a city with twenty one thirty
million people.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
That's why they did numbers.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
It's eight million people and they two a football team.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Okay, that's the literal city. Everybody.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Don't do that round New York City, the metropolitan New
York area. Boy, y'all, y'all New Yorkers, y'all like to separate.
One minute, it's all we all together, maybe New York City.
Then it's not not only this borough four million people?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Make up your mind? Is the New York City all
of y'all? Or is it just a borough one of
the five boroughs? Boy? I tell you eight million people
in New York.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, the metro areas like thirty million people, just
like La Los Angeles might have four million people in
the city, the greater Los Angeles areas like twenty million people,
eighteen million million.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I think LA has five because the New Philly has
uh what is it? And then Chicago Chicago, Yeah, and
then I mean in the city limity yet because when
you start looking up what people don't even understand when
you talk about eight million in New York. Boston only
has like six hundred thousand people in Boston propers yep,
six hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
That's what makes it crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Detroit only has four hundred thousand in the city.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
You know, Detroit is the only metropolit big city in
America to ever go over a million people in population
and then and go under.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
What never happened? Right? Because you yeah, you you're thriving.
You're just moving on up. Thank you. Detroit.
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Speaker 5 (20:54):
Major League Baseball, Ron Manfred dropped a surprising hammer or
lift the hammer hoever, we want to look at it
on Pete Rose because his lifetime ban has officially been lifted.
Of course, there are others, but the biggest name is
Pete Rose. According to Rob Manfred, the decision was made
because he decided that a lifetime band should only apply
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when someone is alive, and how that Pete Rose no
longer with us.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
He has been reinstated.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
By Major League Baseball and as a result, will be
eligible for the Pro Baseball Hall of Fame in twenty
twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Shoeless Joe Jackson. You know what year he died?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
No, I don't know the year he died, nineteen fifty one. Now,
all of a sudden, did you get my point?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
If he has been dead for a long time. They
want to say, hey, we should take him off the list.
He's obviously not dead, so he shouldn't be, okay, But
this was about Pete Rose, and to make it so
that you weren't being special to him, you're throwing other
people who have long passed it. It doesn't make any sense.
And I'm just gonna say this, I'm not buying into
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Baseball's premise that you should lift a lifetime ban because
somebody died. If Pete Rose wasn't fit to be in
the Hall of Fame when he's alive, he shouldn't fit
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to be in the Hall of Fame when he's dead.
It's just that simple. And all the people would you,
guys stop. He was a great player. We all know
he was a great player. That's not even a quite
Charlie Hustle, the hit King. He was on the Big
Red Machine, the last National League team to win back
to back champ.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I could go on and on and on about his accomplishments.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
He broke the cardinal rule of baseball, which still applies
even with League of Life gambling around. As a player,
you cannot better on baseball. People go all gambling now,
and no, a player cannot. Here's the other thing, Well,
he was a manager and that shouldn't count on him
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because of the player. Guess what, Peete Rose was a
player manager. He gambled when he was a player manager, stopping.
He was a player and a manager. And here's the
other thing. You're a gambler. So you're gonna sit here
and tell me all these people, Well, pen Rod never
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made Red La Loo, he never bet.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Against the Reds.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Really, Calvin, you're you're you're Pete Rose, and your your
starter's been terrible his last two three starts.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You know he don't have it. I'm gonna go like,
oh I can't. This is obvious bet.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
This guy's gonna get lit up, but I'm not gonna better. Really,
that's not what gamblers do. They go after short things.
If you know, this guy's the idea that throughout all
of it is Pete jeopardizing the integrity of the game.
Jeopardizing is Hall of Fame status. You notice, because you've
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been in the big league clubhouse. The biggest sign on
the wall that talks about what gambling and what will
happen to you if you're caught gambling on the game
stop trying to rewrite history or change things.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
When people die.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
If somebody was a bad person when they were alive,
guess what, they're a bad person when they die.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
You could still appreciate his talent.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
The Hall of fame should be for extraordinary people who
did extraordinary things in the sport and who followed the rule.
That's really what it should be. Pete Rose is to
blame for why he's in the situation that he was
in while he was alive, because he refused to come clean.
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Does this country not embrace comeback stories?
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Pete?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
We caught you. I'm sorry, I apologize. I'm going to
Gambler's anonymous. I'm gonna talk to kids and college kids
about the dangers of gambling.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Whatever. I'll do, whatever we need to do.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I'll take my suspension, bring back, get myself together, and
I won't bet on baseball anymore. He couldn't do it.
That's why we're here. But for baseball even open up
this box. What is a lifetime ban? If you lift it,
it doesn't even make sense, like it should never be lifted.
And I know he's dead, but he should not even
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have that opportunity for them to put it on a
table for people to do the wrong thing, which I
believe could happen.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
There's there, there's so much. I mean, you hit, you
hit on, you touched on all the right things. I
think that what makes this interesting for me. I went
to they did a great thing on the athletic and
they interviewed a bunch of older players, guys who were
you know, Hall of famers from different areas fifty sixty,
seventy eighty, so on and so forth, and got their opinion.
And you would think that maybe because they know all
(26:18):
of them said I played against them, or I was
a teammate, or I was this former manager, And all
of them said, if we're going based off just the
merit of your skill, that's not a question.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
But I was.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Actually shocked, rob how many of them were like nah,
because of.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
The integrity game and watch this.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
One of them went on to talk about how many
of his own teammates were upset with him present day Johnny.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Bench brock Brock, Who am I missing? Brock?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
You know, I find it this second.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
They were saying that they went and talked to them separately,
like yo, and they were like, man, he lied to me,
lied to me. We were ready to have his back.
He didn't do it, and then we were still trying
to have his back. He never showed any contrition, He
never showed that he cared, He never showed that he
was willing to, you know, make it wrong.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
For Joe Morgan.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Joe Morgan was one. It was a handful of his
own teammates. I'll find it get here. But who were
saying even they you would think they will be the
ones championing him, and they were upset. And that's part
of this to me, that's the big part is that
sometimes in life there's a moment when someone is willing
to bend the rule or change the rule, or say
(27:31):
we're going to make an exception, and for him to
go on for decades and not apologize, say I didn't
do it, then say I did it, but only because
I want to sell a book, but then only going
because I want to sign They talk about it in
his article writing on Baseball's you know what he could do?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Audig Our bet on baseball for money.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I bet on baseball And you're making a mockery of this.
So on the one end, if you wanted to like man,
you can't tell the story of baseball without him, he's
so good. Well, he's their hands because even if they
wanted to say, and somebody also talks about how they
had to sit down with Baseball that the commission at
the time, they say, look, and there was a moment
(28:09):
where they were saying, we're not gonna say we're gonna
let you in, but just work with it's kind of
a thing.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
And he just couldn't do it. Do you think, and
this is what people don't get. You think Baseball doesn't
want it. It's all time hit leader, Pete Charlie Charlie Hustle.
He was a great player and team to the great
one of the greatest teams in baseball history.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
And you stop it.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
They don't win by not having Pete Rose in the
Hall of Fame. Now Pete Rose, all of his accomplishments
are in the Hall of Fame. It's not like he's
whiting washed out of there. But the sport doesn't gain
anything by not having Pete Rose in it.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Or you guess what makes this bad is that it's twofold.
The league is trying and I almost feel like they're
being petty. I said this yesterday when it broke, I said,
I feel like they're being petty in that he just
died a half for it, two three months ago, whatever
it was, and.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
They immediately do this. To me, that's a spit.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That was a slap in the face of like, you know,
we we literally waited till you died.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Shooting Joe Jackson.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
You in fifty sixty, seventy eighty years, I'm about the
team fifty nineteen fifty one, the minute you died, Pete Rose,
that was a to me, is slapping of fay bam,
we're gonna do this.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
We just waited.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Until you died to make this happen, because we could
have tried to do it last year, five years ago,
ten years ago. No, we gonna wait till you die
the minute you did, let's make this happen. So to me,
that was a slap in the face to him saying
we tried. You had opportunities to make it right, make good.
You didn't, And so to me, I think you're just
better off letting me move on because you just and
(29:39):
out again reading this this article, so many former players
are torn, so many former managers are torn. They're like,
man the guy to player, it's not even a question
he was a man the best.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Of no nobody if it's just on your play the
village right.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
But they're like, dude, this is the game I love,
this is the game I played, and you you hurt
the integrity. This other guy saying, man, I just I
don't want a guy who never came out and it
was fourth right and was contrite and tried to trow
contrition and change the game, and someone else said they
had an opportunity to he could have joined in. I
guess the biggest thing that really hurt him, they were saying,
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was that he didn't get to participate in the game
because they were one of the smartest players they've ever seen,
and he didn't get to help grow the game with
the young players where you see other guys get to
be still part of the game. So even if I'm
not in the Hall of Fame, I was kicked out
of the sport as a whole. And they were saying
that hurt him maybe more because maybe, okay, fine, you
already know I'm a Hall of Famer, so maybe I'm
not officially on the list, but that I couldn't participate,
(30:32):
I couldn't be a part of a team. I couldn't
teach guys I couldn't come, you know, just that exactly.
And I just think it's just a terrible situation that
there's so many learning lessons for all of us. In
our last point I'll make and I keep bringing this up,
is because I look at a guy like Mike Vick
who did all the right things, went learned about himself.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
What's up with me? Why?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Why did I think this was okay? I know culturally
certain places to do it, but it's not alright? What
is it about me that?
Speaker 4 (31:00):
You know? What do I need to learn?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Worked with Peter and by all accounts has been just
an amazing guy, the amazing figureing has grown as a
human being, has been contrite showing contrition. And I think
that's an example of what could have been if Pete
Rose were exercises demons and now here we are we
to me, they slapped him in the face and said
he's dead.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
All right, bam, now you're eligible.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
It's it's it's a mockery of the whole thing to me,
it really is because because he was unfit alive and
now you're saying not that you.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Had some reflection and things changed, ideology change.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
The amnity died Roight, what change? What happened?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Small invited Pete Rose, which with a Lifetime band wasn't
supposed to happen to the twenty fifteen All Star Game
in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
They were doing that year.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
The mount rushmore of every team, and they couldn't do
the Reds with our Pete Rose like they they even said, like,
there's no way we could present the four greatest players
of the Cincinnati Bad and not bring people. And since
Pete is from Cincinnati, Cincinnati bo it's a great story,
an absolute story. Great, Joe, you grew up in Cincinnati.
(32:09):
He become the greatest player I ever played that you
know me. The documentary on him was great, came out
with a cople of years back.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Great.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Absolutely, But uh, in this case, I think baseball just
it didn't need to do this. I don't know what
the rush was. And then to throw away and shoeless
Joe and other people try.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
To make it like hey, anybody else with some gambling mercy,
anybody anybody else who's been dead for seventy years.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I didn't like it well of it, And now it
really starts to be a conversation, what are you gonna
do with like steroid guys.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Is it the minute they're dead?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Is there some type of you're starting to soften up
your stance a little bit. Now, what does this mean
for those who are indiced it with steroids or whether
that we literally know or we kind of the cloud
hangs around them.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
As you know, I have a vote, and if he's
eligily vote, do have a vote?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Well, yeah, what are you gonna do? I'm not voting
for him
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
The NBA playoffs are in full swing. We're ready for
the conference finals, getting ready. Teams are ready to move on.
We got the Nickson, the Celtics. Yeah, and then Golden
State can get knocked out tonight against the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
And you don't like this new NBA.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
No, no, no, I don't dislike it, no no, no. I'm
their audience. I am a basketball junkie. I love it,
mall in. But what I don't like is how some
people are trying to sell the idea that, oh man,
there's so much parody. We love it and we haven't
had back to back champions since the Warriors of twenty
seventeen twenty eighteen, and so everybody's all, oh man, this
(01:06):
is good for basketball. You never know, hey, Rob, Rob,
you never know who's gonna win this year. It's wide open.
You don't want to wide open NBA run to the final.
Stop that everybody trying to sell me on that what
you want? Because what do we always hear?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Man?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I love the glory days. I love when basketball was
at its best. What decade eighties? What decades nineties? Well
let's break it down, rob a little bit. In the eighties,
every finals either had the Lakers in it or the
Celtics in it, and either they wanted or lost it,
but they were in the finals. So you knew the players,
you knew the storylines. You loved them or you hate them,
(01:41):
but you tuned in. You love the rivalry between them,
or maybe you love the rival between the Celtics, and
you had the Celtics and the Pistons going at it,
or the seventy six is going at it. You like
the familiarity, like you knew what you're gonna get, the
best of the best going at it, the best players
literally three time MVP and Larry Bird MVPs and Magic Johnson.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
You knew you were gonna get that.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Then there was a little team, a blip in between,
that also went to three straight finals. They won two
of the three, eighty eight, eighty nine, ninety was the
Pistons the bad Boys. So again familiarity, going up against
the Lakers in eighty eight, going up against the beginning
eighty nine, beating them, then going up as well ninety
against the Trailblazers. But you had that then you know
who won ninety one, two and three the Bulls. Michael
(02:25):
Jordan decided to go play your favorite sport.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
He got.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's how you got in his ear and told him
he should go be a baseball player. He goes and
plays baseball, and the Rockets went back to back. Then
the Bulls come and win three more. And so my
point is we just we have it where we get
the best teams, we get the best players ala Michael
Jordan in the nineties, a La Jaquem Olajuan in the
nineties as well, ninety four and ninety five. And I
(02:48):
think that's part of what we've been missing, rob is
having the last a handful of years, the rivalries, the beefs,
the teams that you kind of know, like the Warriors
and Calves going at it that little four year stretch.
And so what the Celtics as they just start this
game and like, if the Celtics lose, which looks like
they very well could, and they don't even know if
(03:10):
they would make it to the Eastern Conference finals.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Out the finals, if.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
They happen to have beat the Knicks, well, then that
we would have another different champion, as they're the reigning
champions as we speak. And I was just thinking, like,
I don't know if that's as necessarily as cool as
people think about when they say, oh man, it's cool
you never know who's gonna win. We got parody. I
don't think we want parody quite as much as we
think we do. I think we want teams that are good.
But at the end of the day, I think we
want those two or three teams that we kind of
(03:33):
have been dependent on and seeing for the last several years.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Totally disagree. I'm so bored with like the same old,
same o. And like recently we've had teams who've won
and it's been good. I don't know, Denver had never won.
They they finally won, they would I don't think that
was bad.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
No, no, no, it's not bad, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
You got when the Bucks won. Then once it's lewell,
the Raptors had never won. I mean like, so this
whole idea and now as we look, it's just a
changing of the guard. And I don't think it's bad
because some of these teams, Indiana, this will be their
second year in a row in the Eastern Conference finals.
(04:19):
Maybe this is their their push where they're going to
push through finally, you know, get to a championship, maybe
even win a champion whatever it is, and maybe they're
starting something. Okay, the Timberwolves, if they can get there again,
that would be two years in a row that they
made it to the Western Coast. So it's not like
they haven't worked towards this. We always talk about the NBA.
(04:41):
It's a process. It takes you a couple of steps.
We're not talking about Detroit and Houston. If if they
if Detroit and Houston were in it, then maybe I
would buy into that. But the teams that I'm looking at,
and even in the next case last year they lost
in seven games in the second round where Indiana went
(05:02):
to the Eastern Conference Finals, and then they also picked
up Kat to boast of their thing, and they want
to take the next step by going out and getting
a player like that mckel Bridges. They've added pieces to
get to their next step. So we're watching the Knicks
as a as a step in progress, and and the
teams that are going to be left or in the
(05:24):
conference finals. I'm cool with that. Who's the surprise? Like
the the one the surprise? I got a left field?
If the Pistons were in it and you knew they
had no chance, or Houston was in it and you know
they gonna have no chance. Why can't Indiana win? Why
can't the Timberwolves win? Like like, these are teams that
have worked their way up. So I think that this
(05:46):
is a natural progression. I feel watch anything. Here's here's
what I don't want to see the I don't want
to see the bad Lakers. I don't want to see
the Celtic.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Here's the thing though, had they been had they gotten
to the finals, clearly they wouldn't have been bad.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
So my point is, Denver, you brought them up. That
was cool.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Wait, great, then get back to the finals. Boston, great,
congrats they worked towards it. I agree they had been
working towards it. Get back to the finals.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Now it looks like they're so Boston hadn't, but when
they won, they hadn't won since two thousand and eight,
and they had their they went to the finals, they lost,
and they had their progression as well. So I get
the history of the Celtics, but from two thousand and
eight to twenty twenty four, right, which is a significant
amount of time, they weren't in that mix as far
(06:31):
as winning, and they had gotten closer and closer, but
they hadn't won in a wy.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Even you go back to that two thousand and eight
Celtics team, they would have gotten back to two thousand
and nine, but KG gets hurt. But they got back
in twenty ten. So my point is you had those
teams Kobe, they go but three straight finals a game
with Powell and so they won two of those. So
my point is we historically this is more what we've had.
We had the shocking Kobe years. They go four out
of five years, they won three of the four. So
(06:59):
the Spurs miss the year, come back three, five o seven.
My point is this is what we've had in the
NBA for decades where we have these And so I'm
not mad at different one. I'm saying Denver get back.
I'm that mad at Boston one. Dem had the chance
to get back to them. They're not out of it.
They're not out of it.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
They haven't been eliminated.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And my point is, Okay, they won, they got knocked
off last year, but they're still in the mix. They're
not out of it. And the same thing. There's a
lot of good teams and younger players. Maybe ant Man develops,
he finally gets his team there and now he makes
a run, and the Timberwolves were in the mix every
year or whatever. I just see this as progression, and
(07:39):
I think it is good for the NBA. Who wants
to see the same teams I told you, But this
like the Chiefs. It's like like they maybe to the
Super Bowl. I was tired of the Chiefs. A lot
of people were tired of the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
But Ron, you say, see different. Literally, that's not the
history of the NBA. It was a celticusy and sire
sixties a half to seventies.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
But that was that was It was sports though, right,
But the Yankees went every year the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
What I'm saying so missing with the NBA.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
We're literally, listen to me, what's missing is good basketball.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
That's what I'm missing. I don't have a problem.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
If we have a good series and it's Indiana against
the Timberwolves, I wouldn't be mad at that. I get
to see ant Man and maybe this and maybe Tyreese
Halliburton develops into the star that maybe we have been seeing.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You're giving and that's the point you're giving me a
bunch of maybies. When I had this, when I had
the Warriors going up against Skeffs, what I knew. I
knew Lebron was arguably be the best player, but don't there,
and I knew Kyrie, and I knew it Steph Clay
Draymond and then Katie eventually that's what we've seen.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So I get there. They weren't there. Lebron didn't win
for eight years. He had to get there. So Halliburton
has to get there. Ant Man has to get there,
and Michael Jordan has to get there. I don't understand
there wasn't instant.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
You're missing the point of what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Celtics are already there, so I'm saying they need to
get there this year to walk get back to what
I'm saying is to continue what the point of how
the NBA has flown. When you have dominant teams because
in the NBA is different than the NFL. It's different
than MLB. If I have a Steph Curry, well for
the next seven, eight, nineteen years, I got a great
shot in the five I have a Lebron if I
have a Kobe, because it's one player who gets to
(09:20):
play both sides of the ball. It's not like NFL,
whereas eleven guys on offense and eleven guys of defense.
And it's a lot harder to just necessarily keep continuing
to get somewhere. NBA, if I got the best player
or two, I got a shot every year, and then
you start to build storylines, You start to build rivalries.
We get to have that, and that adds to the
extra juice of it. I love who So I'm loving
(09:40):
all of it, but I'm saying I love that we
used to have storylines and dramas.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Story right lines and rival man's not a storyline. What's
the storyline? He's a really good player.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
The storyline is like, is he going to take the
next step and be able to get his team to
the championship?
Speaker 4 (09:57):
And then you start to say maybe he is.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
The face, Like there's a story there that we're still
waiting to see play. Can the Joker bring his team
back and win the final two games?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Are you wait?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You had them that they had them locked up. He
goes score scored forty to our points. Nobody helped them,
but they didn't have him locked up. What if he
scores fifty in game six and seventy in game seven
and they get back to the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
There's a huge storyline there. You're going at a game meaning, Okay,
he had a great game. What I'm saying is no.
But I'm saying you look at the history of the
basketball ride.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I don't rob.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
We always say, man, I wish they was like the eighties, Elijah,
because you had the Celtics and Lakers.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I wish it was the nine better back. Six of
the championships were with one ball headed dude.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Michael Jordan literally was like, Hey, I'm gona get y'all
a couple years. I'm gon go play some baseball real quick,
smokes the guards and golf. I'll be back and win
three more So, my point is this is how it's been.
The two thousands was the Spurs and the Lakers didn't
win every year, three, five.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Seven, and I'm saying that the other two one two two.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
The other two was spread out over like eight years, right.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
But what I'm saying is, you have these teams, you
have these stories, have these rivalries that has literally been
what it's been rocked.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
These are not these.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's just one championship. I don't look at them that way.
And I'm not surprised when you missed seventy five threes
that they should be going to the finals or something
or they're on their way.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I'm cool with where we are. I am I'm not
buying it up.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
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Speaker 5 (11:47):
The schedule is out now across the league, everybody's getting theirs.
And now, as you guys know, we talked to plenty
of football players, both past and current. The first thing
that they used to they look at is number one
on'd you buy? And number two how many primetime games
we got? Because that's one thing they're very excited about.
Everybody wants to show up and show out on Monday
(12:07):
night on Sunday Night, so on and so forth. Well,
the Kansas City Chiefs, the New America's team, are now
the first team in NFL history to receive five primetime
games in their first eight weeks of the season.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
They got the Chargers in Brazil.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
We talked about that, Giant Sunday Night, Jags Monday Night,
Lions Sunday Night, Commanders Monday Night. Oh yeah, and they're
also playing on Thanksgiving and Christmas. So basically half of
the Chiefs games this season will be in some kind
of primetime spotlighted game.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Rob Parker, your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
The NFL needs to stop living in the past. The
Kansas City Chiefs are the worst in the NFL. And
you'll say, well, what about Tennessee, what about some of
the other teams like that? There there were no where
(13:10):
they are now compared to what we first started watching
the Chiefs, these games are unwatchable.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Patrick Mahomes. No vertical.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
We're not throwing the ball downfield, dinking dunks, throwing interceptions
every game and for the Chiefs by three points because
the other team made a mistake or mister.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Field goal, that's how they win the game.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
It's not a project. Mahomes seventy five yard bomb. It'd
be different if we didn't see that from the beginning.
Do you get my point on why did a worst watch? Literally,
I'd rather watch reruns of Gilligan's Island.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
But you really would, though I would, they would enjoy that.
It's the point I mean. I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
The Chiefs their games are terrible nineteen to seventeen, and
they used to blow people out forty to fifty points.
You were like, wow, that's why everybody hook line and sinkerhole.
Patrick Mahomes is going to be the goat? Really, have
you watched the last two years? The NFL's living in
(14:25):
the past. They think they still have Seinfeld ratings. No,
they don't. This is not Seinfeld. This is Cringefeld. That's
what this is. Because you cringe when you watch the Chiefs.
(14:46):
You go, it's Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Really this bad?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I thought he was going to be the goat.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Andy Reid. You thought he was offensive genius. Those aren't plays.
That's a Denny's menu. That's why they can't score any runs,
any points. And I go, you know, men times, I'm like,
I clear my Monday night schedule to watch this garbage.
My TV stinks when I'm watching the Chiefs game.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
That's how bad it is.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Oh my, the NFL has blown a gasket by delivering
all these games to the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
They're not worth it.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
They're the chefs, not the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That's why I'm glad I'm here, Elijah, to bring some
sanity to that. That's why it's called the eye couple,
because somebody gotta be on the other side of this
absurdness that you're saying right now. Now, I do agree
with you that the Chiefs ain't chiefing like they used to. Okay,
the Chiefs ain't giving it with like you mentioned Pat
Mahone's forty five touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
However, you are generally rewarded in life when you've been successful.
You are successful, people will give you some slack. So
the slack is being given. Hey, Kansas City Chiefs, you
weren't necessarily as exciting, but you have been very exciting
for us for all these years and one of the
most fun teams to watch for the first handful of
(16:10):
years of this. Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid run. Therefore, you're
being rewarded. Also, Rob Parker, mister facts over feelings. Let
me present some to you. Twenty five and a half
million viewers per game last year, making them the most
watched team in the league, and they have been right
(16:31):
there for the last handful of years. So people are
watching them because they either love him, he's exciting, maybe
they do want the old Patrick Mahomes, or they're hate
watching them. I agree some people are hate watching them.
And you mentioned he might not be the goat, Well,
he is on his way to potentially be the goat.
And you know what else the goat used to do.
Tom Brady, he was the king of the Deacon Dunks.
(16:54):
All he threw was three yard slants to pick a
small receiver, a moondola Wes Welker. That's all he did.
So he did the same thing for years and was
rewarded successful championships, high ratings. People watch the Patriots, they
hate watching them, It didn't matter they watch. So I
also think the league knows Rob they're gonna be on
a revenge tour. They're about to go zero dollar thirties.
(17:18):
They didn't have a Sea ranks. He'll be backing healthy.
He was ball in the first few weeks before he
got injured. Here we go, worthy Brown.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Selling this whole thing. And have you watched behind you?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Have you watched all the interceptions, like have his receivers
his best receiver was not there because there was a.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Rest receivering through to the other team. Is that what happened?
Who throwing to need some help?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
So he threw to the other team because not to
the guy who was running to play? Great players make
anybody who come in. That used to be Tom Brady's
claim the fame. They got a guy from Duncan donut to.
Now he's catching passes from Tom Brady, right, Okay, So
Patrick Mahomes, shouldn't that be the same case if he's
supposedly some goat.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
He and he absolutely tuned to the tune of fifteen
and two rop boy. If I let you tell it,
and I just failed for Mars, I would think the
Chiefs were two and fifteen.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
The only make it to the super only reason, the
only reason that the Chiefs get good ratings is exactly
what the NFL just did. They give them all the
prime time slots. So that's when people watch the games
on the big nights. If you give them what today
opening night right from where they Brazil, that's the start
of football. You're not gonna get monster ratings the first
(18:30):
night of a real football game after eight months, I'm
gets playing.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
If I put this on a Monday night, at times
the Jags inc or they're the first night.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
That first night is first night. I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna hurt first night.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But if I put the Jags on the Monday night
Jags Bears, that Monday night is not gonna draw, like
if I put Chiefs Eagles.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Okay, now, you you work on television, got a TV
job during the day, So let me explain the ratings
to you and help you out. Even the New York
Football Giants averaged twenty one million viewers a game. You
know why not because it was good footballer. They wanted
to see Danny Dimes and those other guys. It's because
they had five primetime games. It's nothing. It's about the
(19:16):
schedule where you are in the game. More so, tell
me the Giants were not pathetic last year. That were
glad you said that Rodney one million.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
They literally live in a city with twenty one thirty
million people.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
That's why they did numbers.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
It's eight million people and they two a football team.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Okay, that's the literal city. Everybody.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Don't do that round New York City, the metropolitan New
York area. Boy, y'all, y'all New Yorkers, y'all like to separate.
One minute, it's all we all together, maybe New York City.
Then it's not not only this borough four million people?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Make up your mind? Is the New York City all
of y'all? Or is it just a borough one of
the five boroughs? Boy? I tell you eight million people
in New York.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, the metro areas like thirty million people, just
like La Los Angeles might have four million people in
the city, the greater Los Angeles areas like twenty million people,
eighteen million million.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I think LA has five because the New Philly has
uh what is it? And then Chicago Chicago, Yeah, and
then I mean in the city limity yet because when
you start looking up what people don't even understand when
you talk about eight million in New York. Boston only
has like six hundred thousand people in Boston propers yep,
six hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
That's what makes it crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Detroit only has four hundred thousand in the city.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
You know, Detroit is the only metropolit big city in
America to ever go over a million people in population
and then and go under.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
What never happened? Right? Because you yeah, you you're thriving.
You're just moving on up. Thank you. Detroit.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
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Speaker 5 (20:54):
Major League Baseball, Ron Manfred dropped a surprising hammer or
lift the hammer hoever, we want to look at it
on Pete Rose because his lifetime ban has officially been lifted.
Of course, there are others, but the biggest name is
Pete Rose. According to Rob Manfred, the decision was made
because he decided that a lifetime band should only apply
(21:16):
when someone is alive, and how that Pete Rose no
longer with us.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
He has been reinstated.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
By Major League Baseball and as a result, will be
eligible for the Pro Baseball Hall of Fame in twenty
twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Shoeless Joe Jackson. You know what year he died?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
No, I don't know the year he died, nineteen fifty one. Now,
all of a sudden, did you get my point?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
If he has been dead for a long time. They
want to say, hey, we should take him off the list.
He's obviously not dead, so he shouldn't be, okay, But
this was about Pete Rose, and to make it so
that you weren't being special to him, you're throwing other
people who have long passed it. It doesn't make any sense.
And I'm just gonna say this, I'm not buying into
(22:05):
Baseball's premise that you should lift a lifetime ban because
somebody died. If Pete Rose wasn't fit to be in
the Hall of Fame when he's alive, he shouldn't fit
(22:27):
to be in the Hall of Fame when he's dead.
It's just that simple. And all the people would you,
guys stop. He was a great player. We all know
he was a great player. That's not even a quite
Charlie Hustle, the hit King. He was on the Big
Red Machine, the last National League team to win back
to back champ.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I could go on and on and on about his accomplishments.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
He broke the cardinal rule of baseball, which still applies
even with League of Life gambling around. As a player,
you cannot better on baseball. People go all gambling now,
and no, a player cannot. Here's the other thing, Well,
he was a manager and that shouldn't count on him
(23:11):
because of the player. Guess what, Peete Rose was a
player manager. He gambled when he was a player manager, stopping.
He was a player and a manager. And here's the
other thing. You're a gambler. So you're gonna sit here
and tell me all these people, Well, pen Rod never
(23:31):
made Red La Loo, he never bet.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Against the Reds.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Really, Calvin, you're you're you're Pete Rose, and your your
starter's been terrible his last two three starts.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You know he don't have it. I'm gonna go like,
oh I can't. This is obvious bet.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
This guy's gonna get lit up, but I'm not gonna better. Really,
that's not what gamblers do. They go after short things.
If you know, this guy's the idea that throughout all
of it is Pete jeopardizing the integrity of the game.
Jeopardizing is Hall of Fame status. You notice, because you've
(24:14):
been in the big league clubhouse. The biggest sign on
the wall that talks about what gambling and what will
happen to you if you're caught gambling on the game
stop trying to rewrite history or change things.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
When people die.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
If somebody was a bad person when they were alive,
guess what, they're a bad person when they die.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
You could still appreciate his talent.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
The Hall of fame should be for extraordinary people who
did extraordinary things in the sport and who followed the rule.
That's really what it should be. Pete Rose is to
blame for why he's in the situation that he was
in while he was alive, because he refused to come clean.
(25:11):
Does this country not embrace comeback stories?
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Pete?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
We caught you. I'm sorry, I apologize. I'm going to
Gambler's anonymous. I'm gonna talk to kids and college kids
about the dangers of gambling.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Whatever. I'll do, whatever we need to do.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I'll take my suspension, bring back, get myself together, and
I won't bet on baseball anymore. He couldn't do it.
That's why we're here. But for baseball even open up
this box. What is a lifetime ban? If you lift it,
it doesn't even make sense, like it should never be lifted.
And I know he's dead, but he should not even
(25:50):
have that opportunity for them to put it on a
table for people to do the wrong thing, which I
believe could happen.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
There's there, there's so much. I mean, you hit, you
hit on, you touched on all the right things. I
think that what makes this interesting for me. I went
to they did a great thing on the athletic and
they interviewed a bunch of older players, guys who were
you know, Hall of famers from different areas fifty sixty,
seventy eighty, so on and so forth, and got their opinion.
And you would think that maybe because they know all
(26:18):
of them said I played against them, or I was
a teammate, or I was this former manager, And all
of them said, if we're going based off just the
merit of your skill, that's not a question.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
But I was.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Actually shocked, rob how many of them were like nah,
because of.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
The integrity game and watch this.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
One of them went on to talk about how many
of his own teammates were upset with him present day Johnny.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Bench brock Brock, Who am I missing? Brock?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
You know, I find it this second.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
They were saying that they went and talked to them separately,
like yo, and they were like, man, he lied to me,
lied to me. We were ready to have his back.
He didn't do it, and then we were still trying
to have his back. He never showed any contrition, He
never showed that he cared, He never showed that he
was willing to, you know, make it wrong.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
For Joe Morgan.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Joe Morgan was one. It was a handful of his
own teammates. I'll find it get here. But who were
saying even they you would think they will be the
ones championing him, and they were upset. And that's part
of this to me, that's the big part is that
sometimes in life there's a moment when someone is willing
to bend the rule or change the rule, or say
(27:31):
we're going to make an exception, and for him to
go on for decades and not apologize, say I didn't
do it, then say I did it, but only because
I want to sell a book, but then only going
because I want to sign They talk about it in
his article writing on Baseball's you know what he could do?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Audig Our bet on baseball for money.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I bet on baseball And you're making a mockery of this.
So on the one end, if you wanted to like man,
you can't tell the story of baseball without him, he's
so good. Well, he's their hands because even if they
wanted to say, and somebody also talks about how they
had to sit down with Baseball that the commission at
the time, they say, look, and there was a moment
(28:09):
where they were saying, we're not gonna say we're gonna
let you in, but just work with it's kind of
a thing.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
And he just couldn't do it. Do you think, and
this is what people don't get. You think Baseball doesn't
want it. It's all time hit leader, Pete Charlie Charlie Hustle.
He was a great player and team to the great
one of the greatest teams in baseball history.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
And you stop it.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
They don't win by not having Pete Rose in the
Hall of Fame. Now Pete Rose, all of his accomplishments
are in the Hall of Fame. It's not like he's
whiting washed out of there. But the sport doesn't gain
anything by not having Pete Rose in it.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Or you guess what makes this bad is that it's twofold.
The league is trying and I almost feel like they're
being petty. I said this yesterday when it broke, I said,
I feel like they're being petty in that he just
died a half for it, two three months ago, whatever
it was, and.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
They immediately do this. To me, that's a spit.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That was a slap in the face of like, you know,
we we literally waited till you died.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Shooting Joe Jackson.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
You in fifty sixty, seventy eighty years, I'm about the
team fifty nineteen fifty one, the minute you died, Pete Rose,
that was a to me, is slapping of fay bam,
we're gonna do this.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
We just waited.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Until you died to make this happen, because we could
have tried to do it last year, five years ago,
ten years ago. No, we gonna wait till you die
the minute you did, let's make this happen. So to me,
that was a slap in the face to him saying
we tried. You had opportunities to make it right, make good.
You didn't, And so to me, I think you're just
better off letting me move on because you just and
(29:39):
out again reading this this article, so many former players
are torn, so many former managers are torn. They're like,
man the guy to player, it's not even a question
he was a man the best.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Of no nobody if it's just on your play the
village right.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
But they're like, dude, this is the game I love,
this is the game I played, and you you hurt
the integrity. This other guy saying, man, I just I
don't want a guy who never came out and it
was fourth right and was contrite and tried to trow
contrition and change the game, and someone else said they
had an opportunity to he could have joined in. I
guess the biggest thing that really hurt him, they were saying,
(30:12):
was that he didn't get to participate in the game
because they were one of the smartest players they've ever seen,
and he didn't get to help grow the game with
the young players where you see other guys get to
be still part of the game. So even if I'm
not in the Hall of Fame, I was kicked out
of the sport as a whole. And they were saying
that hurt him maybe more because maybe, okay, fine, you
already know I'm a Hall of Famer, so maybe I'm
not officially on the list, but that I couldn't participate,
(30:32):
I couldn't be a part of a team. I couldn't
teach guys I couldn't come, you know, just that exactly.
And I just think it's just a terrible situation that
there's so many learning lessons for all of us. In
our last point I'll make and I keep bringing this up,
is because I look at a guy like Mike Vick
who did all the right things, went learned about himself.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
What's up with me? Why?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Why did I think this was okay? I know culturally
certain places to do it, but it's not alright? What
is it about me that?
Speaker 4 (31:00):
You know? What do I need to learn?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Worked with Peter and by all accounts has been just
an amazing guy, the amazing figureing has grown as a
human being, has been contrite showing contrition. And I think
that's an example of what could have been if Pete
Rose were exercises demons and now here we are we
to me, they slapped him in the face and said
he's dead.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
All right, bam, now you're eligible.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
It's it's it's a mockery of the whole thing to me,
it really is because because he was unfit alive and
now you're saying not that you.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Had some reflection and things changed, ideology change.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
The amnity died Roight, what change? What happened?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Small invited Pete Rose, which with a Lifetime band wasn't
supposed to happen to the twenty fifteen All Star Game
in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
They were doing that year.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
The mount rushmore of every team, and they couldn't do
the Reds with our Pete Rose like they they even said, like,
there's no way we could present the four greatest players
of the Cincinnati Bad and not bring people. And since
Pete is from Cincinnati, Cincinnati bo it's a great story,
an absolute story. Great, Joe, you grew up in Cincinnati.
(32:09):
He become the greatest player I ever played that you
know me. The documentary on him was great, came out
with a cople of years back.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Great.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Absolutely, But uh, in this case, I think baseball just
it didn't need to do this. I don't know what
the rush was. And then to throw away and shoeless
Joe and other people try.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
To make it like hey, anybody else with some gambling mercy,
anybody anybody else who's been dead for seventy years.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I didn't like it well of it, And now it
really starts to be a conversation, what are you gonna
do with like steroid guys.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Is it the minute they're dead?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Is there some type of you're starting to soften up
your stance a little bit. Now, what does this mean
for those who are indiced it with steroids or whether
that we literally know or we kind of the cloud
hangs around them.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
As you know, I have a vote, and if he's
eligily vote, do have a vote?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Well, yeah, what are you gonna do? I'm not voting
for him
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