May 30, 2025 • 34 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain how the Oklahoma City Thunder are comparable to the San Antonio Spurs of the early 2000s – but in a bad way, and tell us why they have a problem with Anthony Davis’ latest comments on NIL in college sports. Plus, Yahoo Sports senior NFL reporter Charles Robinson swings by to discuss the ongoing flirtation between Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers, how Kirk Cousins might factor into the Steelers plans, the chances that Shedeur Sanders winds up winning the Cleveland Browns QB1 job, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Okase Thunder And I don't know about you, what's that?
And I don't know about the rest of America, uh, America, America,
but I got bad news for you when it comes
to the Thunder. The Thunder are the new San Antonio Spurs,
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but in a bad way because all the numbers that
come out remind me of what the Spurs were. And
then and here's the thing. The Spurs at least were boring,
you know what I mean, fundamentally sound not that exciting, right,
But they won. The Thunder got something going on and
(01:09):
people don't seem to be interested or be enamored with
this team. And I'm already here to predict that it
will if that you know, when the Pacers beat the Knicks,
it will be the lowest rated finals in the post
COVID era. I'm convinced to that. And let me tell
(01:30):
you about the Spurs. You ready Spurs had. We're in
two of the lowest NBA finals pre COVID two thousand
and seven versus the Cavs and two thousand and three
against the New Jersey Nets. Just awful, right, small market
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kind of like you know, we talk about, you said
this all the time, baseball's regional. NBA can be very regionable,
reason regional as well if it's not involving the big teams.
And we see and we have seen that, because there's
no reason why people should be afraid to tune in
(02:13):
to watch SGA. Right, and this rising star and this
unbelievable team with the numbers and the defense and all
the stuff that has piled up. This isn't a team
that backed their way in And oh my god, I
can't believe they were a wild card and somehow something
happened and two players ran into each other and they
(02:34):
picked up the ball and laid it up and won
the game.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
This is not like the Keystone Cops.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
They're dominated all year, all year, all year, even at
one point thinking they might be you know, challenging the
Golden State Warriors for the most wins in the regular season.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
They were ahead of them for a while.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
That's and none of it seems to matter. And I
get it. The blowouts in the games. People watched the
Dream Team, any of those game competitive, any of those
game competitive, the original Dream Team.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh okay, people watched it.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
They still wanted to see the demolition of it. Do
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Like, sometimes you do want to see the fire, and
you do want to watch.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
And see exactly you do and the gawkers. You know that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
So if I'm the NBA, I'm a little worried here
that this new hotness of the NBA is only new
hotness in Oklahoma City and maybe just around the areas,
but not the United States proper, because this is not
a good thing. And and anybody would challenged me to
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tell me that if the Pacers are playing, because again
the Pacers and being regional, right, the Pacers and OKC
will rank as one of the lowest rated finals.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I already know that.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Well I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I don't disagree at all. And if you're the NBA,
you're praying Jalen Brunson goes crazy like he did last
night and pulls off a stunning you know, comeback from
down three to one against the Pacers. A couple of
things that we've talked about, and I mentioned this earlier
in the week and even last week.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Actually I think it was last Friday.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I mentioned that some of the issues that the Thunder
have to to add to your point is that they
don't have the coupling, meaning, Okay, you got the MVP,
but who's the other guy?
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Right? Usually we get him in pairs.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You got Scottie and Michael Shaq and Kobe Kareem and
Magic Bird and McHale or Robert Port. It's just really
sga now, Jalen Williams is really good and chet is
on his way to the Williams Yeah, yeah, yeah, But
everybody always when your team wins a bunch of games.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
No, but I'm just saying, Nassaw.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Kyle Korver was an All Star in like twenty sixteen
or fifteen or something like that because it's team was
by far the best record in the Eastern Conference that
Atlanta Hawk and they had Al Horford, Joe Johnson, somebody
else and Kyle Korver. So it happens where when you're
the by far leading your conference with the record, you're
gonna get multiple All stars. Happens all the time. So
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they don't have that I mentioned. They don't have a
name of the team.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Usually when you're.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Really just good, you get something rob you get a splash, Brothers,
a showtime of Detroit basketball. They don't have it right now.
They're just the thunder. They're not the Heatles. They're nothing
like that. And usually you have that and it brings
some type of thing people want to watch you.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So the only thing is the teams. You all mention
just bigger markets.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I'm okayse He's a really small market, so is San Antonio.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I really believe market size Brothers.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
You know, Oakley wasn't that big.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
No, that's next to Sam.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
But I think if they had something that's the region
the Bay Area, you don't But.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, if they and I get your pointment, I'm saying,
if they had something right right now, it's just, man,
they just play a lot of defense with a bunch
of guys that you don't know out side of one
or two guys. So here's what I'm thinking and hoping.
Or if you're Adam Silver, you're praying for it reminds
me rob of j Cole versus Drake Nas versus jay Z.
(06:15):
It's one of those purest things, right, jay Z can
wrap his butt off, but he gots he knows, he
goes to go a little commercial, makes some commercial hits,
and kind of be played on a bunch of different stations.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
NAS at his prime was more of a.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Just straight up word Smith's storyteller, a pure hip hop,
a pearist. Jake Cole when he first comes out, he
was trying to go pop in minstream, mainstream, but it
didn't really work because at his heart he's a pearist,
He's a hip hop part is a rapper Drake who
can rap. It's much more mainstream, much more pop. And
I say that to say, you hope that basketball purist
(06:50):
would tune in to the Thunder and Pacers. Basketball lovers
who love the game, who love it at a high level,
high quality basketball, high IQ basketball, would tune in and
enjoy it and make it something and the ratings maybe
wouldn't suffer as bad as we predict they would. So
that's what the NBA is banking on, that the peers
(07:11):
will show up like they show up for NAS, like
they show up for j Cole like they show up
for Kendrick, even though they may not be the most
commercial Ala Lakers, Alla A Knicks or allah, you know,
the Warriors or something to Boston, some of these mainstream
blue bud teams.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
That's what you're hoping for.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Otherwise, if it's just Pacers and Thunder, yeah we might see.
I'm predicting maybe a fifteen percent drop from last year.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well, outside of the bubble game five versus Minnesota was
the least watched Western Conference Final game since twenty thirteen.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, the full five game series Thunder versus Timberwolves average
five point five to nine million, down seventeen percent from
the Mavericks and Timberwolves just a year ago. And it
was the least watched conference final since twenty twenty one.
So that's four years. So there's just a lot of
bad numbers. And if it was a fluke team, I
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could see it. This is a team that all year right,
them and Cleveland were winning at a high clip. So
people were prepared for this all year knowing like, oh okay, wow,
SGA's going to do his thing. While they did it,
we thought that they were too young, like there's an
intrigue that should be there.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Like this, this is what I was telling you, Rob,
I'm with you last yesterday. I was saying, if they
had closer games where we saw sga go on, Remember
when Lebron was playing the Pistons and he scores twenty
five straight and we're like, oh my gosh, look this
kid has arrived.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
He had a moment and whoa.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Lebron's good, but he can't do it against the Cavs
or the Celtics in a game six. I'm saying, if
Sga on the along the way was having closer games
where he could remind people or show people I can
close out, I can out do Edwards.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
I think that would have added to the entry.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
When I still don't think it would have been.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
I agree it would be a lesser. I just help some.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You get what I mean, because man, that boy, I'm
telling you, man, he had to drop fifty.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I just you don't have to drop fifty because the
games are close.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I just think people are really it depends on who's
playing and people are into. Just like when I just
gave you, like the nets with Jason Kidd, they went
to two finals I think two three, right.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
And had terrible.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Nobody in New York watched those like like they could
care less, like.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Which is crazy because there was alley oops and shooting.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Was actually a pretty fun team.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Like you wouldn't even know that they were that they
were even in the finals.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Wonder if that.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Was Spurs more than like no, because.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Jorji doesn't even have a TV market, you know, do
you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Like like it's the weirdest, that's just New York.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, they don't have a team market, so they're kind
of no man's land.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
South Jersey is the seventy six ers above Jersey and
New York and the Knicks, and then right in northern
northern New Jersey is where the Nets play.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, I wonder what that what the Nets Spur Nets
Lakers was? What was that O two?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Yes? What that old two was?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Rob G has it?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
You asking? You shall receive?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Oh dang, Rob G? All right, that's why you go
to it, Roger.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
So here we go.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Two thousand and two, Lakers Nets did a ten point
two million viewers or ten points you rating. The following season,
those same Nets taking on the Santois Burst in a
series that went six games, two more games in the
previous areas with Lakers off the floor, with them dropped.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
See, yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Like, first, you're right, that's I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That did not help because meaning the Nets was a
fun team against the Lakers, a right.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But I'm saying that's why I think, okay sees the
New Spurs, and that's even though they won the five
championships spread up over twenty years, it really wasn't a
feast for the NBA.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I do wonder, Roger and maybe you can hit us
with these numbers after the break, But when it had
the Spurs heat those heatles, that had to be fun
because those two series were great. One where the you
know Ray Ray Yeah, and then the next year the
Spurs get their revenge. I'd imagine, though.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
That's different because you got Lebron in it, and so yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But I wish you man, Okay, See that's what I said, dude.
They're just they're they have a collegiate way of scoring.
I mean, it's a bunch of different guys you don't know,
and it's great for them and it makes them play
the basketball the right way, but it isn't the most
entertaining way.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
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Fucky Flashback Friday, and we're joined now by Charles Robinson.
Charles Robinson of course with yeah who sports Senior NFL
reporter Charles Robinson on X.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
I don't know how you were able to get your
name Charles on X.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
That easily, Okay, I couldn't get mine, Charles, what's happening?
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Oh, you guys are all making fun of tips for
not coming home.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
You need to come home though, Yes, come home.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You just came from the barbershop, didn't you. What did
you get done tonight?
Speaker 7 (12:15):
Yeah? Yeah, I had to get it all. I had
to say. I had everything. I got the beard, beard, trimmed, eyebrows, hair,
did the whole whole work. I know when I went in.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I knew you when you didn't have facial hair.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
Charles, what, Yeah, yeah, that's long. I got back hair.
I got hair all yeah, all right.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
All right, we don't need to know you like that.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Charles has so much backcare that they thought he was
wearing a chinchilla under his charles. Did they take care
of you at the shop though? You know I owned
one on seven mile, you know in Detroit, uh Sporty
cuts seven mile between out of driving Myers diversifying.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Always all right, let's get some NFL stuff from you.
The Steelers are the Aaron Rodgers. You know, we've heard
all the stories.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
That h.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
No, but they were waiting until the OTAs were over
because he didn't want to sign and not go.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Is that what you've heard or you've heard something different?
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Well, so here's my thing. Go back before the draft.
The day before the draft, Omar Khan, the general manager,
and obviously Mike Tomlin, the head coach, sitting there and
they're being pressed about the quarterback spot, and obviously it's
everything's alluding to Rogers. And what I thought was interesting
was both of those guys said, Omar said, look, we're
(13:45):
going to have four quarterbacks. He said, you know, we
got two he basically luded picking up a third in
the draft. And then he said we plan on having
our fourth in place by training camp. And then I
thought it was interesting because Mike Tomlin then later followed
that up by say his line of demarcation in terms
of like having the whole team together, having everybody wanting
everybody in place was training camp, and I think they
(14:08):
were leaving the door open to Aaron Rodgers potentially not
showing up until training camp. Now do I do I
think they would like him there for a full squad
minis on what I think June tenth is when it kicks.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Off, because then that's why a lot of people are
saying that he's going to be there.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
It's okay, that's the day, you know, right before that.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
Sure, everybody says that, but I'm just saying my problem is,
like I don't think anybody knows what Aaron Rodgers is doing.
Like I don't. It's it's been so quiet around him
this off season. I mean, people people that I would
tap into that were, you know, at least used to
be on his inner circle. They've they've heard nothing, Like
(14:51):
they're they're like, the full of information is going one
way and it's not out. And so I think to
me it was interesting because it was like, like, oh,
he'll sign with them after the draft, and then the
draft came and went, and then it was oh, he'll
sign with them after the schedule release because he doesn't
want to be caught up and you know, influencing the
schedule lease for the Steelers games. And then that came
(15:14):
and went right. So then then it's well, oh, now
it's it's after OTA. So it'll be after Oka OTA
and they'll be before a full squad mini camps. We
keep moving the goalposts on this, right, Like, so, what
does that tell you? It tells you people don't know
what he's doing. He knows what he's doing. I tend
to personally believe that the team wants him to be there,
(15:36):
and I think he's smart enough to know it's it's
it's a bad idea to sit there and wait until
late July to show up and now start to get
to know the facility, start to get to know other veterans,
you know, start working out some of that chemistry. And
what's really interesting is if you go back, this is great.
If you go back in twenty twenty three that off
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season when he joined the Jet he showed up up
for I think all ten of their OTAs, the Jets OTAs,
and he got at like, why you know, why do
you think it's important to be here, and he basically
flat out was like talking about I need people to
get to know me, what I'm like, what I you know,
what I want, how I communicate, and and basically pointed
to chemistry as to why he was there, and he
(16:19):
stressed that if you're if you're going into a new offense,
it's important for you to be there most you know,
most of the time the offseason is for the young
guys if you've been in an offense for a really
long time. But if you haven't, you know, he's basically saying,
you know, you should be in here. Okay, well those
are your words. That was what you said in twenty
twenty three. What are we doing now? So I think
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if he doesn't show, I think if he doesn't show
in the full squad minutis all it's going to do
is continue to add fuel to the fire for the
people throughout the league who are like suspicious that Rogers
is waiting to let the Vikings get every last look
at JJ McCarthy they can, maybe even including through their
full mini camp and hoping that maybe the Vikings will
(17:03):
have second thoughts about parking him in the garage for
twenty twenty five I think that's.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
A good But that's a good one. I'm for speculations.
You're not reporting anything.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
You speculating, No, I mean it is speculation, but I
mean that is I think that is not it's not
unfair speculation. If he does not step on the field
for full squad mini camp for the Steelers, what are
you waiting for?
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Then?
Speaker 7 (17:28):
Like, what's the point? So you're not going to go
through full squad Mini's Like why why are you waiting?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And if he does, it would be all of this
was about what because uh, who is it Ian O'Connor,
who's the one who kind of laid out the plan and.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Why he did what he did, who wrote Rogers book?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Then it would just bat up to what he basically
said that he didn't want to sign before the OTAs
because he was going through some stuff and he didn't
want to sign and then not show up, Okay.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
Right right? So if it doesn't happen, then, know, then
I think it's fair to speculate why is he you know,
why is he waiting this out? As long as he is,
I think he will be there. I don't know that
he will be there, and I don't know that anyone
really knows for sure, knows for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
But Aaron, Man, I tell you what and if and
if all this happens, and he doesn't. We Rob and
I have talked about it to nausey and really, but
is Kirk cousins now they're back up Kirk. I'll call
him Kirk your cousin, not my cousin, because the way
he played last season coming off.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
To injury a year ago. I mean, is that the
answer is that with it we wait on Rogers and.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Okay, now we wait on a possible trade with for Cousins.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
I mean, I think it's a break the glass option.
I don't think that's where the Steelers want to be.
You know, I think that they've painted themselves into a
corner here and I here's my thing. I I know
you know I've spent time with Omar Khan sometime with
Mike Tomlin. I refuse to believe that there's not a
handshake deal like already done, Like there's just I refuse
(18:58):
to believe these guys.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I'm with you did not naive. Come on, man, I
just don't believe.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
And you know Omar Khan came up, you know, through
that organization, you know, under Colbert, Kevin Colbert. I mean
he's you know, yeah, they know what they're doing, and
so does Mike Commins. Not their first barbecue, like, I
think they absolutely he visited. I think he laid it
out to them, here's what I want to do. I
(19:26):
think there was a handshake deal. You know, I'm coming
to you guys. We're good. Just you gotta wait. I'm
going to take care of my business. And then this
is ultimately when i'll you know, I'll show up, and
I do. I think that's going to end up being,
you know, mini camp. And the thing is, once he's
out there and he's spinning it, no one will care anymore.
And I think in terms of Kirk, he's just stuck.
He's landlocked. There's really no outs for him. And the
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Falcons are already paying him, you know. And I know
he's he's upset at Arthur Blank. I think he feels
like Arthur Blank lied to him, right. But Arthur Blank's
rationale is, man, i'm paying you, so to me, I
don't care if you're making all that money sitting on
the bench the way the way Arthur Blank is looking
at it, he's his thought processes. I committed x amount
of money to my two quarterbacks. I don't care which
(20:10):
one starts, as long as the one, you know, the
best one out there spending it starts. I'm fine. That's
the money I committed to the position. That's how I'm
approaching it. And it makes no sense in his mind
to deal Kirk somewhere else for for what a late
round pick, a little salary relief, and then he's got
to go out and sign another backup quarterback. It just
it just doesn't make a lot.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Hey, one last thing, I know we're running short on time.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Uh, the Browns passed on Shador five rounds and then
all of a sudden picked him or whatever five picks
and picked him. And now everything out of camp is
he's the best thing since lif spread.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
What's the what's the truth?
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Does that surprise you?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
No?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I mean you know what I'm saying, right, and now
he's the greatest quarterback who ever played.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Yeah, I mean it's I knew this was going to
be trouble when rookie you know, they had rookie mini
camps started, and there was this piece of footage where
it was like a reporter joking about how he was tall.
He was taller than Dylan Gabriel. I'm like, oh, here
we go, man, it's already starting with the guys five
to ten. You know, he's a short quarterback. And then
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and then almost immediately after, there was you know, a
beat writer who came out and said that, you know,
Shador was much better. He looked much better throwing the
football than Dylan Gabriel did. And I'm like, yeah, you know, okay,
this is what they I mean, this is what they
signed up for. This is how this was going to go.
And it's why, you know, I'll never be fully convinced
that that fifth round pick was just about value. You know,
(21:34):
it's i know they've tried to avoid this idea that
it was ownership pick. But you know, I've known Andrew
Berry long time, really respect him. You know, a dude
went to Harvard. He was a Wall Street guy before
he got it into football. Extremely smart. You know, he
gets asked the owner influence the pick? You went to Harvard.
It's the one word answer, yes or no. And he said,
(21:55):
you know, Jimmy, lets us do our jobs. I'm like, bro,
that's five words too many. He's six words you just
said for a one word answer. That that to me
is going to continue to at least in my mind.
I always think, you know, was this really the pick
they wanted to make in the fifth round knowing what
it was going to do in that quarterback room. I
still think there's a chance Kenny Pickett is the one
(22:16):
who starts the season there. And uh, I'll tell you what,
if you're the Steelers, especially with Terry Bradshaw here saying
that you know, Steelers ruined him, never gave him a shot,
that's gonna be a weird storyline to watch if Kenny
Pickett's the starter in Cleveland, and if he's even a
modestly okay quarterback in Cleveland, it's gonna look bad in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Well, Charles, we appreciate your time. I'm just laughing at
you talking about you. You know, Mike Tomlin knows what
he's doing with the quarterbacks. I don't know about that, Chrials.
I don't know if it's been proven that they know
what they're doing a quarterback, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
I don't know if I don't know if they necessarily
know what they're doing with the quarterback position. But he
he I think just in general, Mike knows what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
I get it. I get it now, I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
He's he's he's had a good tenure. I feel you
in that, Charles, Thank you man, Appreciate your time.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Jen Stake Easy.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
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Speaker 1 (23:14):
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Speaker 4 (23:25):
Rob G, can you set the table for us please?
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Thanks?
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Rob, I have no promise in the table for you
dinner for it goes on the left.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
Anthony Davis has been making some media rounds, very limited,
not a lot, but he has a new brand partnership
with some moisturizing cream. You don't care about it. That's
not what's important.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
What is important.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
And instead of the advertising that he's rubbing it in
on a college players, how's that?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Yes? That is correct? The teas right there.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
And most recently he sat down with Sports Illustrated and
during their conversation, Nil came up and here's what ad
said about nil in college sports, it's tough because obviously
they didn't have it when I was in college. It
kind of takes away from the game a little bit because,
and I'm not hating, it, takes away from the integrity
(24:16):
in the sense of players are only going to certain
schools because of the money. He continues, college basketball is
still competitive, but the recruitment of it has kind of
gotten a little wacky, especially when you consider that guys
can leave and enter the portal and go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
It's just a little tricky.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I'm not hating, but I'm hating Ad stop it and
the blue Blood's Kelvin it was not nil or was
under the table money? Come on, man, stop it a
d How much money did you take? I'm just asking.
I'm not accusing you of anything. Colin PARI slip you
(24:53):
any money and your sneakers, Kelvin, any money on the
side in a bag on the side of the road.
Go drive up to Root five. There's a be a
bag laying there. Do you know what I'm saying? Come on, man, like,
don't be holier than now. And the integrity of the
game and coaches getting money and players getting money, Come on,
(25:16):
I'm not gonna believe for one second that there was
some integrity in college basketball and all the blue bloods.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Did it fair and square. That's how we got all players.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
It's all fair and square, No money exchange hands.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Kelvin is he is? He not ridiculous?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Listen in technically know what was going We know what
was going on with Rick Potino. Right, Let's let's let's
not overly talk about integrity. Here's what I think he
meant to say, because he didn't mean intech.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Dorms. Right.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
We know shady stuff been going on for years. We
know college football players basketball and get an envelope.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Hey, how you doing? Great game? Pat?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Pat, there's an envelope in your jacket with a little
bit of money in there. We know people's parents been
getting houses and cars. Now it's out in the open.
We know about it now. So here's what I would
I would rewrite this retell him if I was his buddy,
to say, this is what you meant.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Ad he meant the continuity.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Rob Parker is going meaning the things you can depend on. Right,
you go to this school and you stick around, you
play two, three, four years.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
He was a one and done guy.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
What what what I know.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
But I'm thinking he's meaning, you know, I just think
he's meaning the tradition of kind of how we had
certain the rivalries, if you will, the team building.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Rob g just I hear what you're saying. You're helping him.
That's not what he said, because he's talking about Ni
l right, and and and Colin Parry, his coach who
also had wins vacated at U MASS in Memphis for Violet.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Okay, So I'm just saying when you.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Talk about that, I just got to push back and say, hey,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Because that's what That's why I think he's talking about.
The more so we got guys leaving teams. They're not
sticking with teams. There's no continuity. You don't know the teams.
They're flopping or going here to transfer here instead of
staying with such and such school U C. L A.
I'm gonna leave because now anybody even be a lesser school.
But they offered me two fifty. UCLA's only giving me
(27:24):
one hundred and twenty. And I think that's what he's
talking about, not so much that they're getting paid, that
they're just doing anything for the money. I'll go to
this lesser school because they're paying me more.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That's what kids did before when they were given and
sending You know how many people that was sent FedEx
boxes full of cash for their families. And I mean,
come on, My point is there were people he went.
How did he wind up at Oregon? Remember the pipeline
from Detroit to Oregon? Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Oh? No, listen, I know that he's they just from
Detroit to Oregon?
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Oh what what?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
What's in Oregon?
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Then?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Is it Nike? And is it Nike? I'm just saying, like.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Seriously, yeah, and that and only other thing I can
think of, too, is you're getting guys sticking around who
are twenty four, twenty five, twenty six. Oh you know,
they had a COVID year, they get an extra year,
they got a graduate degree year. And these dudes, Man,
I'm telling you this past March madness. I've said it before.
I'm not convinced I didn't go to high school with
(28:22):
some of those guys. I mean, I'm like, I swear, dude,
was that problem with me? Like this is absolutely crazy?
So but he's naive if he thinks there's been high
integrity for decades, if he's naive, if he thinks this
is new.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
That's what I'm saying. It's just that we know it
and we can see it now.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Right exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
It's just out front and we're all seeing it now
and we're all fully aware of it. So that's, uh,
that's the only thing I can think of. What you know,
what he's trying to I was trying to. I was
trying to shoot him some bail. But I mean, that's
the best I could come up with.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
Rob g jumping d Do you think when Ad made
these comments, because I'm agree with you guys, this does
not make a whole lot of sense to me. Do
you think his issue is not actually with nil and
really it is with the transfer portal?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Because the idea of whether you are one and done
or not, you're committing to that school. I'm going to
stay at that school for at least one season and
then we'll see what happens. Nowadays, you can transfer after
six games if you want to, you know, like you can.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
There's there's a whole you talk about, Ni l It's
about money, right, and he mentioned him.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Saying is that do you think that when he's really
upset because he mentioned, you know, you got to recruit
a player and you got to continue to recruit him
and that kind of thing. And Nick Saban has said
the same thing Kirby Smart, like is his issue not
necessarily with the guys getting money and the NIL. The
issue is that what the loyalty of the transfer portal?
Like I'm trying to help him out, like it's like, but.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Even even then where people are critical, coaches walk out
on players all the time, Kelvin, Right, if you ain't
lying up that recruit you all this and that, and
then they walk out on you like, oh I got
a better job.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
And that's what I'm trying to say, Like what what loyalty?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I don't even know for players to say that players
aren't loyal and this and like what coaches have done
to them don't I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And that's one thing I've said for even before the
NIL really took off, was I was saying for years
that coaches will sit there, look parents in the face.
I'm gonna be there for him his whole career, everything
he needs. And then all of a sudden, you know, hey,
USC is calling, come on over and He's like, all right,
oh yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and make that. I'm sorry,
(30:38):
y'all gonna go get to this other one.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Mind you.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I was already making millions, and but I'm gonna dip
over to this other school. So that's been happening for
years with coaches, for sure. So the loyalty definitely was
loyalty with limits.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Yeah, I just I just don't. I don't understand what
he's trying to say. And I guess the only trying
to mental gim Nashima a way through it a d
I don't. I'm not going to accuse him of getting
anything under the table, Rob will I.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Won't, I said, I said allegedly.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
That's like allegedly, but I will say whether he whatever happened.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And he was only there in college for what six months?
On campus?
Speaker 6 (31:16):
To this day he talks about being a member of
Big Blue Nation, proud he was of being in Kentucky.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
How much you may go, he did win a championship.
Now you gotta make sure you throw that.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
No, no, no, but he wasn't there forever is what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
But what I'm saying, you win a championship, that's a
whole nother.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
I mean, even John wall DeMarcus, like, they're all proud
to be played at Kentucky. And do you think that
maybe that's what he's alluding to that you guys don't.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
I'm trying to say, and he's That's why I said, you.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Don't need to bring up the money. You don't need
to bring that up.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
You can talk about loyalty or the idea that you
can't keep teams together. That's not what he said. You
guys are trying to bail them out.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And it's not I think context of what he's saying.
It's he was trying to get to that point. He
just ain't get to that point because the money part
of it all. I think we all know they're getting
paid for years. It's just not that And I feel
like that's what he was trying to ludle to Robb g.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
He ain't saying, well, I didn't feel like.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Well or articulated well, so that means he should get
a show on some national network.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Well, I mean, you gotta think, Rob, how many former
especially guys of that caliber, former college athletes, really have
a problem with kids getting.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Paid Because to your point, people are getting paid for decades.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
They've been getting paid, So I don't see why they
would be upset now that just because it's above board.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
No, because they but they didn't get millions. They didn't
get like like seriously, they got money and some families
got money, definite. They ain't getting six million like Rob
They're not getting that kind of money. And they're looking
at these kids going, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
When I played Yo, they're getting money in high school guys?
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Yes, I have.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
You know, we've had high school like folks who cover
high scho We'll hear Spectrum in our news station, Spectrum
News one. Make sure you tune in every Monday through
Friday six to nine. Just need to hear. No there miss.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Spectrum News first of all, watch it.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
But we had like they would tell me like yo, Dub,
like I want to go do this interview and his
kid and he's in the parking lot air get just.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Living it like what I I guess I can do it.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And it's bens And I'm like dang, She's like yeah,
like once the nil broke out, man, these kids are
getting money early, like early rob Gi.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Not after I prove it a year or two in college.
They're getting it in high school.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
But there are all the guys who got money. And
then some of these companies in places are like.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
Ah, they don't tell us that. They don't talk about
the ones who thank you. You know that, right, they
don't tell you about that. Oh yeah, they've been pulled.
Don't come back and tell you that was the biggest
waste of our money ever, big time, because.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
You're gambling on the high school kids, you know what
I mean, You're gambling at this kid who's playing locally
is going to be that guy. Let's give him half
a million dollars and it ends up being I but
not worth a half a million dollars.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Well, guys on the flip side of that again, which
is probably even sadder if you think about it. How
many reports have we seen come out now, especially in
the last year or two, of schools and and and
collectives promising nil money that never actually material.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
There's plenty of those stories as well.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Where they're like, hey, I know you got to offer
twenty thousand to go to this school. I'm gonna give
you fifty and you get there, then fifty ever cups
you lost out on the original twenty No, I.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Mean that's That's another thing that people backing out of
their offers, which I would take them to court.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
You got to make sure that's legally bonding.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
But a lot of people they don't know this kind
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
I'm just saying, you gotta get some help. You know
what they need, you worse, hundreds and hundreds of thousand
dollars better, but they need.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
We talked about it before.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
College athletes need a collective bargaining that's going to look
you know what I mean, oversee all college players so
that they're not taking it.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
It's not college anymore. No I know, but I'm just saying,
and you know that level of athletics
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Okase Thunder And I don't know about you, what's that?
And I don't know about the rest of America, uh, America, America,
but I got bad news for you when it comes
to the Thunder. The Thunder are the new San Antonio Spurs,
(00:48):
but in a bad way because all the numbers that
come out remind me of what the Spurs were. And
then and here's the thing. The Spurs at least were boring,
you know what I mean, fundamentally sound not that exciting, right,
But they won. The Thunder got something going on and
(01:09):
people don't seem to be interested or be enamored with
this team. And I'm already here to predict that it
will if that you know, when the Pacers beat the Knicks,
it will be the lowest rated finals in the post
COVID era. I'm convinced to that. And let me tell
(01:30):
you about the Spurs. You ready Spurs had. We're in
two of the lowest NBA finals pre COVID two thousand
and seven versus the Cavs and two thousand and three
against the New Jersey Nets. Just awful, right, small market
(01:50):
kind of like you know, we talk about, you said
this all the time, baseball's regional. NBA can be very regionable,
reason regional as well if it's not involving the big teams.
And we see and we have seen that, because there's
no reason why people should be afraid to tune in
(02:13):
to watch SGA. Right, and this rising star and this
unbelievable team with the numbers and the defense and all
the stuff that has piled up. This isn't a team
that backed their way in And oh my god, I
can't believe they were a wild card and somehow something
happened and two players ran into each other and they
(02:34):
picked up the ball and laid it up and won
the game.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
This is not like the Keystone Cops.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
They're dominated all year, all year, all year, even at
one point thinking they might be you know, challenging the
Golden State Warriors for the most wins in the regular season.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
They were ahead of them for a while.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
That's and none of it seems to matter. And I
get it. The blowouts in the games. People watched the
Dream Team, any of those game competitive, any of those
game competitive, the original Dream Team.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh okay, people watched it.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
They still wanted to see the demolition of it. Do
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Like, sometimes you do want to see the fire, and
you do want to watch.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
And see exactly you do and the gawkers. You know that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
So if I'm the NBA, I'm a little worried here
that this new hotness of the NBA is only new
hotness in Oklahoma City and maybe just around the areas,
but not the United States proper, because this is not
a good thing. And and anybody would challenged me to
(03:53):
tell me that if the Pacers are playing, because again
the Pacers and being regional, right, the Pacers and OKC
will rank as one of the lowest rated finals.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I already know that.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Well I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I don't disagree at all. And if you're the NBA,
you're praying Jalen Brunson goes crazy like he did last
night and pulls off a stunning you know, comeback from
down three to one against the Pacers. A couple of
things that we've talked about, and I mentioned this earlier
in the week and even last week.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Actually I think it was last Friday.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I mentioned that some of the issues that the Thunder
have to to add to your point is that they
don't have the coupling, meaning, Okay, you got the MVP,
but who's the other guy?
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Right? Usually we get him in pairs.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You got Scottie and Michael Shaq and Kobe Kareem and
Magic Bird and McHale or Robert Port. It's just really
sga now, Jalen Williams is really good and chet is
on his way to the Williams Yeah, yeah, yeah, But
everybody always when your team wins a bunch of games.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
No, but I'm just saying, Nassaw.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Kyle Korver was an All Star in like twenty sixteen
or fifteen or something like that because it's team was
by far the best record in the Eastern Conference that
Atlanta Hawk and they had Al Horford, Joe Johnson, somebody
else and Kyle Korver. So it happens where when you're
the by far leading your conference with the record, you're
gonna get multiple All stars. Happens all the time. So
(05:16):
they don't have that I mentioned. They don't have a
name of the team.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Usually when you're.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Really just good, you get something rob you get a splash, Brothers,
a showtime of Detroit basketball. They don't have it right now.
They're just the thunder. They're not the Heatles. They're nothing
like that. And usually you have that and it brings
some type of thing people want to watch you.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So the only thing is the teams. You all mention
just bigger markets.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I'm okayse He's a really small market, so is San Antonio.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I really believe market size Brothers.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
You know, Oakley wasn't that big.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
No, that's next to Sam.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
But I think if they had something that's the region
the Bay Area, you don't But.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, if they and I get your pointment, I'm saying,
if they had something right right now, it's just, man,
they just play a lot of defense with a bunch
of guys that you don't know out side of one
or two guys. So here's what I'm thinking and hoping.
Or if you're Adam Silver, you're praying for it reminds
me rob of j Cole versus Drake Nas versus jay Z.
(06:15):
It's one of those purest things, right, jay Z can
wrap his butt off, but he gots he knows, he
goes to go a little commercial, makes some commercial hits,
and kind of be played on a bunch of different stations.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
NAS at his prime was more of a.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Just straight up word Smith's storyteller, a pure hip hop,
a pearist. Jake Cole when he first comes out, he
was trying to go pop in minstream, mainstream, but it
didn't really work because at his heart he's a pearist,
He's a hip hop part is a rapper Drake who
can rap. It's much more mainstream, much more pop. And
I say that to say, you hope that basketball purist
(06:50):
would tune in to the Thunder and Pacers. Basketball lovers
who love the game, who love it at a high level,
high quality basketball, high IQ basketball, would tune in and
enjoy it and make it something and the ratings maybe
wouldn't suffer as bad as we predict they would. So
that's what the NBA is banking on, that the peers
(07:11):
will show up like they show up for NAS, like
they show up for j Cole like they show up
for Kendrick, even though they may not be the most
commercial Ala Lakers, Alla A Knicks or allah, you know,
the Warriors or something to Boston, some of these mainstream
blue bud teams.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
That's what you're hoping for.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Otherwise, if it's just Pacers and Thunder, yeah we might see.
I'm predicting maybe a fifteen percent drop from last year.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well, outside of the bubble game five versus Minnesota was
the least watched Western Conference Final game since twenty thirteen.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, the full five game series Thunder versus Timberwolves average
five point five to nine million, down seventeen percent from
the Mavericks and Timberwolves just a year ago. And it
was the least watched conference final since twenty twenty one.
So that's four years. So there's just a lot of
bad numbers. And if it was a fluke team, I
(08:11):
could see it. This is a team that all year right,
them and Cleveland were winning at a high clip. So
people were prepared for this all year knowing like, oh okay, wow,
SGA's going to do his thing. While they did it,
we thought that they were too young, like there's an
intrigue that should be there.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Like this, this is what I was telling you, Rob,
I'm with you last yesterday. I was saying, if they
had closer games where we saw sga go on, Remember
when Lebron was playing the Pistons and he scores twenty
five straight and we're like, oh my gosh, look this
kid has arrived.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
He had a moment and whoa.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Lebron's good, but he can't do it against the Cavs
or the Celtics in a game six. I'm saying, if
Sga on the along the way was having closer games
where he could remind people or show people I can
close out, I can out do Edwards.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
I think that would have added to the entry.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
When I still don't think it would have been.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
I agree it would be a lesser. I just help some.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You get what I mean, because man, that boy, I'm
telling you, man, he had to drop fifty.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I just you don't have to drop fifty because the
games are close.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I just think people are really it depends on who's
playing and people are into. Just like when I just
gave you, like the nets with Jason Kidd, they went
to two finals I think two three, right.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
And had terrible.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Nobody in New York watched those like like they could
care less, like.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Which is crazy because there was alley oops and shooting.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Was actually a pretty fun team.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Like you wouldn't even know that they were that they
were even in the finals.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Wonder if that.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Was Spurs more than like no, because.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Jorji doesn't even have a TV market, you know, do
you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Like like it's the weirdest, that's just New York.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, they don't have a team market, so they're kind
of no man's land.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
South Jersey is the seventy six ers above Jersey and
New York and the Knicks, and then right in northern
northern New Jersey is where the Nets play.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, I wonder what that what the Nets Spur Nets
Lakers was? What was that O two?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Yes? What that old two was?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Rob G has it?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
You asking? You shall receive?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Oh dang, Rob G? All right, that's why you go
to it, Roger.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
So here we go.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Two thousand and two, Lakers Nets did a ten point
two million viewers or ten points you rating. The following season,
those same Nets taking on the Santois Burst in a
series that went six games, two more games in the
previous areas with Lakers off the floor, with them dropped.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
See, yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Like, first, you're right, that's I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That did not help because meaning the Nets was a
fun team against the Lakers, a right.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But I'm saying that's why I think, okay sees the
New Spurs, and that's even though they won the five
championships spread up over twenty years, it really wasn't a
feast for the NBA.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I do wonder, Roger and maybe you can hit us
with these numbers after the break, But when it had
the Spurs heat those heatles, that had to be fun
because those two series were great. One where the you
know Ray Ray Yeah, and then the next year the
Spurs get their revenge. I'd imagine, though.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
That's different because you got Lebron in it, and so yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But I wish you man, Okay, See that's what I said, dude.
They're just they're they have a collegiate way of scoring.
I mean, it's a bunch of different guys you don't know,
and it's great for them and it makes them play
the basketball the right way, but it isn't the most
entertaining way.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
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Fucky Flashback Friday, and we're joined now by Charles Robinson.
Charles Robinson of course with yeah who sports Senior NFL
reporter Charles Robinson on X.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
I don't know how you were able to get your
name Charles on X.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
That easily, Okay, I couldn't get mine, Charles, what's happening?
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Oh, you guys are all making fun of tips for
not coming home.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
You need to come home though, Yes, come home.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You just came from the barbershop, didn't you. What did
you get done tonight?
Speaker 7 (12:15):
Yeah? Yeah, I had to get it all. I had
to say. I had everything. I got the beard, beard, trimmed, eyebrows, hair,
did the whole whole work. I know when I went in.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I knew you when you didn't have facial hair.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
Charles, what, Yeah, yeah, that's long. I got back hair.
I got hair all yeah, all right.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
All right, we don't need to know you like that.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Charles has so much backcare that they thought he was
wearing a chinchilla under his charles. Did they take care
of you at the shop though? You know I owned
one on seven mile, you know in Detroit, uh Sporty
cuts seven mile between out of driving Myers diversifying.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Always all right, let's get some NFL stuff from you.
The Steelers are the Aaron Rodgers. You know, we've heard
all the stories.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
That h.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
No, but they were waiting until the OTAs were over
because he didn't want to sign and not go.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Is that what you've heard or you've heard something different?
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Well, so here's my thing. Go back before the draft.
The day before the draft, Omar Khan, the general manager,
and obviously Mike Tomlin, the head coach, sitting there and
they're being pressed about the quarterback spot, and obviously it's
everything's alluding to Rogers. And what I thought was interesting
was both of those guys said, Omar said, look, we're
(13:45):
going to have four quarterbacks. He said, you know, we
got two he basically luded picking up a third in
the draft. And then he said we plan on having
our fourth in place by training camp. And then I
thought it was interesting because Mike Tomlin then later followed
that up by say his line of demarcation in terms
of like having the whole team together, having everybody wanting
everybody in place was training camp, and I think they
(14:08):
were leaving the door open to Aaron Rodgers potentially not
showing up until training camp. Now do I do I
think they would like him there for a full squad
minis on what I think June tenth is when it kicks.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Off, because then that's why a lot of people are
saying that he's going to be there.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
It's okay, that's the day, you know, right before that.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
Sure, everybody says that, but I'm just saying my problem is,
like I don't think anybody knows what Aaron Rodgers is doing.
Like I don't. It's it's been so quiet around him
this off season. I mean, people people that I would
tap into that were, you know, at least used to
be on his inner circle. They've they've heard nothing, Like
(14:51):
they're they're like, the full of information is going one
way and it's not out. And so I think to
me it was interesting because it was like, like, oh,
he'll sign with them after the draft, and then the
draft came and went, and then it was oh, he'll
sign with them after the schedule release because he doesn't
want to be caught up and you know, influencing the
schedule lease for the Steelers games. And then that came
(15:14):
and went right. So then then it's well, oh, now
it's it's after OTA. So it'll be after Oka OTA
and they'll be before a full squad mini camps. We
keep moving the goalposts on this, right, Like, so, what
does that tell you? It tells you people don't know
what he's doing. He knows what he's doing. I tend
to personally believe that the team wants him to be there,
(15:36):
and I think he's smart enough to know it's it's
it's a bad idea to sit there and wait until
late July to show up and now start to get
to know the facility, start to get to know other veterans,
you know, start working out some of that chemistry. And
what's really interesting is if you go back, this is great.
If you go back in twenty twenty three that off
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season when he joined the Jet he showed up up
for I think all ten of their OTAs, the Jets OTAs,
and he got at like, why you know, why do
you think it's important to be here, and he basically
flat out was like talking about I need people to
get to know me, what I'm like, what I you know,
what I want, how I communicate, and and basically pointed
to chemistry as to why he was there, and he
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stressed that if you're if you're going into a new offense,
it's important for you to be there most you know,
most of the time the offseason is for the young
guys if you've been in an offense for a really
long time. But if you haven't, you know, he's basically saying,
you know, you should be in here. Okay, well those
are your words. That was what you said in twenty
twenty three. What are we doing now? So I think
(16:41):
if he doesn't show, I think if he doesn't show
in the full squad minutis all it's going to do
is continue to add fuel to the fire for the
people throughout the league who are like suspicious that Rogers
is waiting to let the Vikings get every last look
at JJ McCarthy they can, maybe even including through their
full mini camp and hoping that maybe the Vikings will
(17:03):
have second thoughts about parking him in the garage for
twenty twenty five I think that's.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
A good But that's a good one. I'm for speculations.
You're not reporting anything.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
You speculating, No, I mean it is speculation, but I
mean that is I think that is not it's not
unfair speculation. If he does not step on the field
for full squad mini camp for the Steelers, what are
you waiting for?
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Then?
Speaker 7 (17:28):
Like, what's the point? So you're not going to go
through full squad Mini's Like why why are you waiting?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And if he does, it would be all of this
was about what because uh, who is it Ian O'Connor,
who's the one who kind of laid out the plan and.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Why he did what he did, who wrote Rogers book?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Then it would just bat up to what he basically
said that he didn't want to sign before the OTAs
because he was going through some stuff and he didn't
want to sign and then not show up, Okay.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
Right right? So if it doesn't happen, then, know, then
I think it's fair to speculate why is he you know,
why is he waiting this out? As long as he is,
I think he will be there. I don't know that
he will be there, and I don't know that anyone
really knows for sure, knows for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
But Aaron, Man, I tell you what and if and
if all this happens, and he doesn't. We Rob and
I have talked about it to nausey and really, but
is Kirk cousins now they're back up Kirk. I'll call
him Kirk your cousin, not my cousin, because the way
he played last season coming off.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
To injury a year ago. I mean, is that the
answer is that with it we wait on Rogers and.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Okay, now we wait on a possible trade with for Cousins.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
I mean, I think it's a break the glass option.
I don't think that's where the Steelers want to be.
You know, I think that they've painted themselves into a
corner here and I here's my thing. I I know
you know I've spent time with Omar Khan sometime with
Mike Tomlin. I refuse to believe that there's not a
handshake deal like already done, Like there's just I refuse
(18:58):
to believe these guys.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I'm with you did not naive. Come on, man, I
just don't believe.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
And you know Omar Khan came up, you know, through
that organization, you know, under Colbert, Kevin Colbert. I mean
he's you know, yeah, they know what they're doing, and
so does Mike Commins. Not their first barbecue, like, I
think they absolutely he visited. I think he laid it
out to them, here's what I want to do. I
(19:26):
think there was a handshake deal. You know, I'm coming
to you guys. We're good. Just you gotta wait. I'm
going to take care of my business. And then this
is ultimately when i'll you know, I'll show up, and
I do. I think that's going to end up being,
you know, mini camp. And the thing is, once he's
out there and he's spinning it, no one will care anymore.
And I think in terms of Kirk, he's just stuck.
He's landlocked. There's really no outs for him. And the
(19:49):
Falcons are already paying him, you know. And I know
he's he's upset at Arthur Blank. I think he feels
like Arthur Blank lied to him, right. But Arthur Blank's
rationale is, man, i'm paying you, so to me, I
don't care if you're making all that money sitting on
the bench the way the way Arthur Blank is looking
at it, he's his thought processes. I committed x amount
of money to my two quarterbacks. I don't care which
(20:10):
one starts, as long as the one, you know, the
best one out there spending it starts. I'm fine. That's
the money I committed to the position. That's how I'm
approaching it. And it makes no sense in his mind
to deal Kirk somewhere else for for what a late
round pick, a little salary relief, and then he's got
to go out and sign another backup quarterback. It just
it just doesn't make a lot.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Hey, one last thing, I know we're running short on time.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Uh, the Browns passed on Shador five rounds and then
all of a sudden picked him or whatever five picks
and picked him. And now everything out of camp is
he's the best thing since lif spread.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
What's the what's the truth?
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Does that surprise you?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
No?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I mean you know what I'm saying, right, and now
he's the greatest quarterback who ever played.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Yeah, I mean it's I knew this was going to
be trouble when rookie you know, they had rookie mini
camps started, and there was this piece of footage where
it was like a reporter joking about how he was tall.
He was taller than Dylan Gabriel. I'm like, oh, here
we go, man, it's already starting with the guys five
to ten. You know, he's a short quarterback. And then
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and then almost immediately after, there was you know, a
beat writer who came out and said that, you know,
Shador was much better. He looked much better throwing the
football than Dylan Gabriel did. And I'm like, yeah, you know, okay,
this is what they I mean, this is what they
signed up for. This is how this was going to go.
And it's why, you know, I'll never be fully convinced
that that fifth round pick was just about value. You know,
(21:34):
it's i know they've tried to avoid this idea that
it was ownership pick. But you know, I've known Andrew
Berry long time, really respect him. You know, a dude
went to Harvard. He was a Wall Street guy before
he got it into football. Extremely smart. You know, he
gets asked the owner influence the pick? You went to Harvard.
It's the one word answer, yes or no. And he said,
(21:55):
you know, Jimmy, lets us do our jobs. I'm like, bro,
that's five words too many. He's six words you just
said for a one word answer. That that to me
is going to continue to at least in my mind.
I always think, you know, was this really the pick
they wanted to make in the fifth round knowing what
it was going to do in that quarterback room. I
still think there's a chance Kenny Pickett is the one
(22:16):
who starts the season there. And uh, I'll tell you what,
if you're the Steelers, especially with Terry Bradshaw here saying
that you know, Steelers ruined him, never gave him a shot,
that's gonna be a weird storyline to watch if Kenny
Pickett's the starter in Cleveland, and if he's even a
modestly okay quarterback in Cleveland, it's gonna look bad in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Well, Charles, we appreciate your time. I'm just laughing at
you talking about you. You know, Mike Tomlin knows what
he's doing with the quarterbacks. I don't know about that, Chrials.
I don't know if it's been proven that they know
what they're doing a quarterback, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
I don't know if I don't know if they necessarily
know what they're doing with the quarterback position. But he
he I think just in general, Mike knows what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
I get it. I get it now, I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
He's he's he's had a good tenure. I feel you
in that, Charles, Thank you man, Appreciate your time.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Jen Stake Easy.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
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Speaker 1 (23:14):
Sea couple Robin Kelvin on a Funky Flashback Friday and
Rob Man both pair of Pennies under bunch right now
with what Ad had to say about Nio.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Rob G, can you set the table for us please?
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Thanks?
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Rob, I have no promise in the table for you
dinner for it goes on the left.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
Anthony Davis has been making some media rounds, very limited,
not a lot, but he has a new brand partnership
with some moisturizing cream. You don't care about it. That's
not what's important.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
What is important.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
And instead of the advertising that he's rubbing it in
on a college players, how's that?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Yes? That is correct? The teas right there.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
And most recently he sat down with Sports Illustrated and
during their conversation, Nil came up and here's what ad
said about nil in college sports, it's tough because obviously
they didn't have it when I was in college. It
kind of takes away from the game a little bit because,
and I'm not hating, it, takes away from the integrity
(24:16):
in the sense of players are only going to certain
schools because of the money. He continues, college basketball is
still competitive, but the recruitment of it has kind of
gotten a little wacky, especially when you consider that guys
can leave and enter the portal and go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
It's just a little tricky.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I'm not hating, but I'm hating Ad stop it and
the blue Blood's Kelvin it was not nil or was
under the table money? Come on, man, stop it a
d How much money did you take? I'm just asking.
I'm not accusing you of anything. Colin PARI slip you
(24:53):
any money and your sneakers, Kelvin, any money on the
side in a bag on the side of the road.
Go drive up to Root five. There's a be a
bag laying there. Do you know what I'm saying? Come on, man, like,
don't be holier than now. And the integrity of the
game and coaches getting money and players getting money, Come on,
(25:16):
I'm not gonna believe for one second that there was
some integrity in college basketball and all the blue bloods.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Did it fair and square. That's how we got all players.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
It's all fair and square, No money exchange hands.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Kelvin is he is? He not ridiculous?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Listen in technically know what was going We know what
was going on with Rick Potino. Right, Let's let's let's
not overly talk about integrity. Here's what I think he
meant to say, because he didn't mean intech.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Dorms. Right.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
We know shady stuff been going on for years. We
know college football players basketball and get an envelope.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Hey, how you doing? Great game? Pat?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Pat, there's an envelope in your jacket with a little
bit of money in there. We know people's parents been
getting houses and cars. Now it's out in the open.
We know about it now. So here's what I would
I would rewrite this retell him if I was his buddy,
to say, this is what you meant.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Ad he meant the continuity.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Rob Parker is going meaning the things you can depend on. Right,
you go to this school and you stick around, you
play two, three, four years.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
He was a one and done guy.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
What what what I know.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
But I'm thinking he's meaning, you know, I just think
he's meaning the tradition of kind of how we had
certain the rivalries, if you will, the team building.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Rob g just I hear what you're saying. You're helping him.
That's not what he said, because he's talking about Ni
l right, and and and Colin Parry, his coach who
also had wins vacated at U MASS in Memphis for Violet.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Okay, So I'm just saying when you.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Talk about that, I just got to push back and say, hey,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Because that's what That's why I think he's talking about.
The more so we got guys leaving teams. They're not
sticking with teams. There's no continuity. You don't know the teams.
They're flopping or going here to transfer here instead of
staying with such and such school U C. L A.
I'm gonna leave because now anybody even be a lesser school.
But they offered me two fifty. UCLA's only giving me
(27:24):
one hundred and twenty. And I think that's what he's
talking about, not so much that they're getting paid, that
they're just doing anything for the money. I'll go to
this lesser school because they're paying me more.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That's what kids did before when they were given and
sending You know how many people that was sent FedEx
boxes full of cash for their families. And I mean,
come on, My point is there were people he went.
How did he wind up at Oregon? Remember the pipeline
from Detroit to Oregon? Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Oh? No, listen, I know that he's they just from
Detroit to Oregon?
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Oh what what?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
What's in Oregon?
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Then?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Is it Nike? And is it Nike? I'm just saying, like.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Seriously, yeah, and that and only other thing I can
think of, too, is you're getting guys sticking around who
are twenty four, twenty five, twenty six. Oh you know,
they had a COVID year, they get an extra year,
they got a graduate degree year. And these dudes, Man,
I'm telling you this past March madness. I've said it before.
I'm not convinced I didn't go to high school with
(28:22):
some of those guys. I mean, I'm like, I swear, dude,
was that problem with me? Like this is absolutely crazy?
So but he's naive if he thinks there's been high
integrity for decades, if he's naive, if he thinks this
is new.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
That's what I'm saying. It's just that we know it
and we can see it now.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Right exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
It's just out front and we're all seeing it now
and we're all fully aware of it. So that's, uh,
that's the only thing I can think of. What you know,
what he's trying to I was trying to. I was
trying to shoot him some bail. But I mean, that's
the best I could come up with.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
Rob g jumping d Do you think when Ad made
these comments, because I'm agree with you guys, this does
not make a whole lot of sense to me. Do
you think his issue is not actually with nil and
really it is with the transfer portal?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Because the idea of whether you are one and done
or not, you're committing to that school. I'm going to
stay at that school for at least one season and
then we'll see what happens. Nowadays, you can transfer after
six games if you want to, you know, like you can.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
There's there's a whole you talk about, Ni l It's
about money, right, and he mentioned him.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Saying is that do you think that when he's really
upset because he mentioned, you know, you got to recruit
a player and you got to continue to recruit him
and that kind of thing. And Nick Saban has said
the same thing Kirby Smart, like is his issue not
necessarily with the guys getting money and the NIL. The
issue is that what the loyalty of the transfer portal?
Like I'm trying to help him out, like it's like, but.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Even even then where people are critical, coaches walk out
on players all the time, Kelvin, Right, if you ain't
lying up that recruit you all this and that, and
then they walk out on you like, oh I got
a better job.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
And that's what I'm trying to say, Like what what loyalty?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I don't even know for players to say that players
aren't loyal and this and like what coaches have done
to them don't I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And that's one thing I've said for even before the
NIL really took off, was I was saying for years
that coaches will sit there, look parents in the face.
I'm gonna be there for him his whole career, everything
he needs. And then all of a sudden, you know, hey,
USC is calling, come on over and He's like, all right,
oh yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and make that. I'm sorry,
(30:38):
y'all gonna go get to this other one.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Mind you.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I was already making millions, and but I'm gonna dip
over to this other school. So that's been happening for
years with coaches, for sure. So the loyalty definitely was
loyalty with limits.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Yeah, I just I just don't. I don't understand what
he's trying to say. And I guess the only trying
to mental gim Nashima a way through it a d
I don't. I'm not going to accuse him of getting
anything under the table, Rob will I.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Won't, I said, I said allegedly.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
That's like allegedly, but I will say whether he whatever happened.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And he was only there in college for what six months?
On campus?
Speaker 6 (31:16):
To this day he talks about being a member of
Big Blue Nation, proud he was of being in Kentucky.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
How much you may go, he did win a championship.
Now you gotta make sure you throw that.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
No, no, no, but he wasn't there forever is what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
But what I'm saying, you win a championship, that's a
whole nother.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
I mean, even John wall DeMarcus, like, they're all proud
to be played at Kentucky. And do you think that
maybe that's what he's alluding to that you guys don't.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
I'm trying to say, and he's That's why I said, you.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Don't need to bring up the money. You don't need
to bring that up.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
You can talk about loyalty or the idea that you
can't keep teams together. That's not what he said. You
guys are trying to bail them out.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And it's not I think context of what he's saying.
It's he was trying to get to that point. He
just ain't get to that point because the money part
of it all. I think we all know they're getting
paid for years. It's just not that And I feel
like that's what he was trying to ludle to Robb g.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
He ain't saying, well, I didn't feel like.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Well or articulated well, so that means he should get
a show on some national network.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Well, I mean, you gotta think, Rob, how many former
especially guys of that caliber, former college athletes, really have
a problem with kids getting.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Paid Because to your point, people are getting paid for decades.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
They've been getting paid, So I don't see why they
would be upset now that just because it's above board.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
No, because they but they didn't get millions. They didn't
get like like seriously, they got money and some families
got money, definite. They ain't getting six million like Rob
They're not getting that kind of money. And they're looking
at these kids going, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
When I played Yo, they're getting money in high school guys?
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Yes, I have.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
You know, we've had high school like folks who cover
high scho We'll hear Spectrum in our news station, Spectrum
News one. Make sure you tune in every Monday through
Friday six to nine. Just need to hear. No there miss.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Spectrum News first of all, watch it.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
But we had like they would tell me like yo, Dub,
like I want to go do this interview and his
kid and he's in the parking lot air get just.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Living it like what I I guess I can do it.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And it's bens And I'm like dang, She's like yeah,
like once the nil broke out, man, these kids are
getting money early, like early rob Gi.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Not after I prove it a year or two in college.
They're getting it in high school.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
But there are all the guys who got money. And
then some of these companies in places are like.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
Ah, they don't tell us that. They don't talk about
the ones who thank you. You know that, right, they
don't tell you about that. Oh yeah, they've been pulled.
Don't come back and tell you that was the biggest
waste of our money ever, big time, because.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
You're gambling on the high school kids, you know what
I mean, You're gambling at this kid who's playing locally
is going to be that guy. Let's give him half
a million dollars and it ends up being I but
not worth a half a million dollars.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Well, guys on the flip side of that again, which
is probably even sadder if you think about it. How
many reports have we seen come out now, especially in
the last year or two, of schools and and and
collectives promising nil money that never actually material.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
There's plenty of those stories as well.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Where they're like, hey, I know you got to offer
twenty thousand to go to this school. I'm gonna give
you fifty and you get there, then fifty ever cups
you lost out on the original twenty No, I.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Mean that's That's another thing that people backing out of
their offers, which I would take them to court.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
You got to make sure that's legally bonding.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
But a lot of people they don't know this kind
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
I'm just saying, you gotta get some help. You know
what they need, you worse, hundreds and hundreds of thousand
dollars better, but they need.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
We talked about it before.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
College athletes need a collective bargaining that's going to look
you know what I mean, oversee all college players so
that they're not taking it.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
It's not college anymore. No I know, but I'm just saying,
and you know that level of athletics
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