Rob and Kelvin debate whether the Pittsburgh Steelers would’ve been better off with Matthew Stafford than Aaron Rodgers, and tell us what Tyrese Haliburton has to do to turn things around for the Indiana Pacers. Plus, Yahoo Sports NBA reporter Vince Goodwill swings by to discuss the NBA Finals and his bombshell report surrounding the New York Knicks’ firing of Tom Thibodeau.
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Vincent Goodwill, NBA reporter and host of The Good Word
podcast for Yahoo Sports Serious NBA Radio holes. I always
say that because Vinnie was married, I was married to
Vinnie's cousin.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
At one point, sots you. Of course he likes me.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I was helped mentor him when he started in his career,
when he was at Eastern Michigan.
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Do I ask him?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Let him and if Vinnie went to email? Yes, I
did not know that.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
What do you think thought he want he went to
Eastern Michigan.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
I don't know what I thought. You went to Michigan
State d something that we might We must have crossed
paths at some point.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You got to be around closer to same, maybe a couple.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Of years older than him, But yeah, I think so.
Let me let me ask him when we get on
with him in a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, rob g let's set up the news of the day.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So Adam Schefter has had a report out about the
now that Aaron Rodgers is signed, sealed and delivered.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
What did you have to say?
Speaker 6 (02:06):
It was, actually, you know, considering how far along we've
been in this Aaron Rodgers, the Pittsburgh process kind of
a bombshell.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Aaron Rodgers, excuse me.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Adam Schefter revealed on a recent appearance on the NFL
Live that despite us speculating basically for the better part
of three months that Aaron Rodgers was at some point
going to be the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. According
to Schefty, that wasn't always the case. Here's what he said.
This starting by Aaron Rodgers was the third option for
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the Steelers. They were in on Matthew Stafford. Couldn't get done.
It couldn't get it done into trade. They tried to
re sign Justin Fields. He had to go to the
Jets where he'll meet Rodgers on opening night. And after
they couldn't get a trade done for Stafford, couldn't get Fields,
they decided, hey, let's get Aaron Rodgers instead.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Okay, here's what a story doesn't make any sense to me.
First of all, they dodged a big bullet by not
signing getting going after Matthew Stafford. His numbers were horrendous
last year for the Rams. Can you imagine this? He
threw twenty touchdowns in seventeen games. Twenty touchdowns in seventeen games.
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He was really, really bad. They had a bad stretch
at one point where the Rams were averaging maybe thirteen
or fourteen points a game. It was pretty ugly, and
so they were lucky there that they're not paying Matthew
Stafford thirty seven years old with numbers that had declined
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last year fifty million or whatever. The number would have
been fifty million, which is crazy. And here's the other thing.
The Aaron Rodgers, as we talked about, had better stats.
Aaron Rodgers threw for more yards three eight hundred and
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ninety seven to thirty seven sixty two, had more touchdowns
twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Did Stafford have twenty?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Twenty right? Was that the number one? Yeah, that's what
I thought, right.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So that part they were lucky and they were smart
not to bite on the Stafford thing because you'd have
to give up players and pay the guy fifty million
after coming off twenty touchdowns in seventeen games. The other part,
justin Fields, that to me is a non story because
Justin Fields, there's two things. If they really wanted him
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and he was the second option, they would not say
to him, you're gonna be the starting quarterback and you're
our guy, So you couldn't really want him.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
If that was the sticking point, If you really believe.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
You had something, you would have said to Justin Fields absolutely,
whatever it is, we saw you when you were four
and two before we benched you because we didn't think
you were the best option and you're gonna be the
quarterback They.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Couldn't even do.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
They couldn't even guarantee him the starting job. When you'll
come into camp, you're the quarterback from Jump Street. So
of course that's why he ran to the Jets, right
He ran there because they don't have anybody, So that
that part of the story doesn't make sense. If they
really wanted justin Fields, they worked with them all last year.
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They got to see him up close. If they really
believe he's a quarterback in the future, sign the guy, give.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Him the job.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
What are you looking for if you knew that this
was your guy? So I think they dodged a bullet
in both cases. Aaron Rodgers is still better than Matthew Stafford.
Matthew Stafford has never been better than Aaron Rodgers at
any point of his career ever. Even the Super Bowl
he won, Stafford threw two interceptions and that should have
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been three. Was that the NFC Championship game that he
threw the game losing interception that was dropped? What was
that kid's name, Steve Tart or whatever? Guess what Kelvin is?
He still in the NFL. He hadn't been in the
NFL since that play. That ball was right to him.
You could throw that ball one hundred times. Go look
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at it, Google it, go to YouTube. You can look
at that play up. Throw that ball one hundred times
and guess how many times you would catch that ball.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Ninety nine and a half times.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He would catch that ball and instead he dropped it
and it saved Matthew Stafford's bacon.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So the Steelers, they were very fortunate in this.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And sometimes, guess what, the best things that happened to
you aren't always planned, and I think that's what happened
here for the Stealers.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Boy, I'm so.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Glad I'm here to talk some sansantity for these people.
Let me tell you why you were wrong with my friend.
First and foremost, let's dive a little deeper into this
disrespect you're trying to put on Matthew Stafford because I
know you like to call him Matthew Stafford or whatever
you call him. Matthew Stafford had twenty touchdowns and eight interceptions,
so you're making it like he only had twenty touchdowns
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and had like eighteen interceptions last year. Also, the Rams
decided to run the ball a lot, and he was
missing his top receivers for quite some time. We know
that Matthew Stafford has been exactly what the Rams have
needed twenty touchdowns, eight interceptions. Last year the Rams ran
the ball, and you know he was without his top
receivers on and off throughout the whole year. Let's continue
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with some numbers, Rob Parkers, since you want to talk
numbers for.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Your guy, Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
In his games for seven games for the Rams in
the playoffs, Matthew Stafford has a quarterbackter passing rating of
one hundred and nine point two two thousand yards, fifteen
touchdowns and three interceptions in seven games. He has been
dominant for them throughout his time as their quarterback in
the postseason.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
He's also, as you mentioned.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Four years younger, and the forty two million dollars that
they would have had to pay him an average between
forty this coming, forty four this year forty the next
puts them pretty much where he should be. I mean,
you look at all the quarterbacks who will be making
more money than him. Do you look at Dak Prescott,
Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence, Tua Toloa,
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Jered Goff, Brock Perty, Justin, Herbert Lamar Jackson, and then
you get a few other guys ahead of him. Forty
two million dollars for a good quarterback, a super Bowl
winning quarterback, approven quarterback is par for the course. That's
pretty much average money now for a good quarterback. So
if I get the guy for two to three years,
who is younger, who is healthier, who has had stronger
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arm that's not even a question at this point, and who,
like I mentioned, I have a chance to build with
proactively and longer. Why am I bringing in a guy
it just be might be solid for a year and
then I got to move on.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
What's the point of that? To me?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
That's the genuine part I've never understood in this is
that if Aaron Rodgers is solid, let's give him twenty
two touchdowns, to give him eight interceptions, not bad, not good,
but okay, and we go nine and eight eight nine.
What was the point of that? Why not be building
towards something, some something sustainable. I genuinely don't understand that part.
Why am I so excited to have a guy for
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one year who's forty one going on forty two now
like he's thirty six.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I get that, So help me understand that easy.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
As le Broncos who won a Super Bowl with Peyton Manning,
as the the uh Tampa Bay Bucks who won a
Super Bowl with Tom bro I'm just the idea that
you're talking about. For one year, anybody would take a chance.
One year chance everybody. Anybody would take a chance. Okay,
but but my point is you need one. There's only
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one team you could play for. But Rob, I mean,
it doesn't what your say.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
In a long time.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But what you're saying makes no sense. Well, he could
still play, and if he's in a better situation. You'll
find out this year that again it was the Jets.
You weren't on the show, but Rob g will tell you.
I told him it was a mistake to go to
the Jets. Rob Ge did not say that that it
would end badly, because that's what's happened to everybody who
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goes to the Jets. I told him before it even happened.
I watched this team my whole life. I didn't even
doubt it. I said it. Here's my point, Noe. But
my point is at Stafford he threw the game winning
touchdown right in the in the Super Bowl, right, but
he didn't win the Super Bowl MVP. Why twenty six
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for forty three interceptions, I mean three touchdowns and two interceptions.
That's why he's an interception machine. That's why he didn't
win the MVP. The very few quarterbacks, very few, who
don't throw a game winning touchdown at the end, remember
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that game was out at the wire, and then don't
win the MVP because he didn't play well enough to
be an MVP with two interceptions in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
And my other point is the Steelers never wanted justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
They could have easily committed to him.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
How in the world could they not tell that kid,
he's a young kid, was supposedly upside. They could have
easily said, the job is yours, come in as number
one and that's it. And the best part of this
whole thing Aaron Rodgers making thirteen and a half and
Stafford forty two, and then that means you could add
all the pieces to the team.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And you could build for the future.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's okay he Aaron judged Aaron Rodgers could be a
stopgap that happens all the time. Look at all the
great quarterbacks who finished their careers elsewhere. This is not new,
this is the NFL. This is what happens over and over.
And guess what. Stafford almost finished his career somewhere else,
even after winning a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
He was close.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
The Rams told him to go ahead and take a look.
Look around. That's how much they wanted him go take
take a look. And guess what. He didn't get his
as much money as he could have gotten on the open,
walking the Giants off of the more Robi.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Here's my thing.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Aaron Rodgers is not that great anymore, and so he's
not the guy to come and change your franchise. And
that's okay, and they're not built right now to have
that guy.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
The difference between you keep bringing up Peyton Manny.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Peyton Manning was coming off and in saying couple of
years putting up crazy stats. That's still he was still
the sheriff. Tom Brady was still coming off being Tom.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Might and he won all but they won a Super
Bowl with a bad Peyton mann point.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And my point is the Steelers ain't to Broncos right now,
and the Steelers are not definitely not the Buccaneers when
it comes to talent on the outside and when it
comes to the team's defense. So what I'm saying is
they went to the most ideal situations. He's going to
a team with Russell Wilson, who was essentially him at
this point, losing six straight, who lost their best receiver,
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who lost their running back, and their defensive players are
getting older. So this is not an optimal situation he's
going to. He's not going to the Ravens. They Lamar
Jackson decided to retire early, and he's going to the Ravens.
He's going to the Bills, where you say, oh, okay,
now you might be cooking the Steelers, aren't that right now?
So to expect on the bad Achilles of an almost
forty two year old to all of a sudden be
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great when he hasn't been great, That's what I'm saying.
What's gonna happen with Lamar Jackson is up fourteen to three,
Aaron Rodgers is not gonna bring you back. What's gonna
happen with Joe Burrow? And that offense gets you up
seventeen to seven.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Easy, and they come to give it up because We've
seen it happen before, Yes you are. And last year
Stafford during a three game stretch in December when they
needed to win to make the playoffs, Stafford and the
offense averaged fourteen points a game in this NFL. They
were lucky to win all three of those games because
it was the defense that was able to win it
for him. And last year, Rodgers' offense scored twenty points
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or more right, ten times the same as Stafford. The
difference was that one had a defense that stepped up
and the other one their defense gave it up. The
Jets lost five games last year where they couldn't where
they couldn't stop and did the other team's offense and
gave it up at the end of game.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
There was five of them and a missfield goal. So
the Steelers defense, who isn't as good? You just said
the Jets. We all expected their defense. They weren't good
last year.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I said, we expected them to begin, expected them.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
To get a stop them eventually.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
And then the Steelers defense, we expected me great. It
wasn't that great. So Aaron Rodgers is five and twelve
if the defense ain't that great. So that's pretty much
we can maybe go seven to ten. You said, I
thought you said you said five wins. That's the Steelers five. No,
that's what they did last year. He did with the
Jets with a defense that wasn't that great. That's what
he's going to do a round seven seven to ten Max.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. Well, they played
the Jets week one, so there's one. So they just
kind of win.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Just Field's goal thrash them, okay, and just be the
fields goal doesn't mean they should have let him go.
Rob You keep saying they had all the chance to Look,
they they watched that guy. This is they watched him.
He's he's a young guy on his third team in
three years.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
That's the guy. He's on his third team in three seasons.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
And touchdowns, one interception, four and two. Who gets rid
of that guy? Make it make plenty of plenty of people.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Obviously two other teams did eight seven seven ninety nine
on Fox eight seven seven nine nine six sixty three
sixty nine did the steal his dodger bullet? Not having
to pay Matthew Stafford a bloated salary for his low
touchdown numbers.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Or that's a deal.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Forty two for that guy? No way?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Or did they make out getting Aaron Rodgers for this
season at a bargain price thirteen million and a four
time MVP, a Super Bowl winner, a big game player
unlike Matthew Stafford will do that.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
No, no, no, Jade, We'll do that and much more.
It is the hodcome we want to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
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should be. Rob and I talking about the Steelers. Do
they dodge a bullet not signing Matthew Stafford? I say
they should have. Rob says no, that he's happy with
the geriatric Aaron Rodgers eight seven seven ninety nine on
Fox Who We.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Got Andre and Master chooses, You're on the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, dright?
Speaker 7 (17:04):
How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Doing great? How are you George?
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Georg? Thanks for taking the call. Listen. I do feel
that the Steelers got it right bringing in Aaron Rodgers.
Never mind, you know, stat Pafford and what you're saying, Rob,
you know, in the empty calories, Yes, sometimes.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
That's most of his career, most of his career.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
He was down twenty one nothing when he started throwing
the ball, twenty one nothing.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
You know, defense is moving back, giving you those who
get those things underneath. You know him to get the
sets he did. You know, you credit him. You know
he linked up with the Rams and got the super
bottom line is this, though, I feel like the Steelers
and Aaron Rodgers, this is how they wanted to play out,
you know, and he was eventually going to sign them.
If they're more on the same page than kind of
meets the eye. I would have liked to happen earlier,
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but it's happening a little bit later in the process.
And if Aaron Rodgers is going to come into Pittsburgh
and be a good citizen, he definitely gives them a
better chance to be successful and a competitive AFSC North
who knows the AFC is a not what they can
do if they when they make the playoffs, but he
gives them the best chance to win overall. Rating that packwords,
So I think they got it right. Thanks taking a call, No.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Doubt Packing took teams of Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
You heard fifteen touchdowns and was it two interceptions?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Whatever it is? In the playoffs with the Rams man stop, did.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
You see against Philadelphia had a chance to win the game?
Did you watch that at the end?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
So they go four and out? Was it four and out?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, he had a chance.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Aaron Rodgers at the crib.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
JJ, me and you JJ and Seattle. You're in the
odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
Hey, Robbie Calvin, longtime listener, love the show, Thank you
one another time.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
JJ.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
Yep, Hey, I gotta tell you, Rob You're off base
on this one. Matt Stafford got a lot of years
left in him. I don't know what it is. It's
everything that has a Detroit touch to it. You seem
to know right, and I have never been able to
figure out why you got Detroit roots. I'm from six
Mile in Farmington, man oh.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Y erst Wait a minute. I have I have a
barber shop on seven Male. I have a house in Southfield.
I have businesses. But no, no, that JJ, it's exact opposite. No, no, no,
just hear me on, I let you go. It's exact opposite.
What you should be saying to yourself is you've never
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met anybody who's not a total homer like Kelvin who just,
no matter what, Kate Cunningham is the best player.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
The Pistons are gonna beat the Nicks. The Lions are
going to the.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Super Bowl, Like, would you rather that somebody giving you
that or someone being honest? I have every reason to
call the Tigers or whatever. The situation is the way
it is when those moments come. But I'm honest, and
that's why people are mad. They were mad at me
in Cincinnati, they were mad at me in New York,
they were mad at me in Detroit. And guess what,
(19:55):
They're mad at me in La, right, Rob g They
called me the La hater out here.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
So I'm a realist, that's all. I'm mad. That's all
I'm at.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Go ahead, I love that you call that. I'm gonna
let JJ talking. I'm gonna light you up afterwards.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
I'm not mad at you and all of I just
love all things Detroit and I think you're a little biased.
And one more question for you, my friend, who do
you think made Juneteenth a federal holiday that ain't going nowhere?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
We love it.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
All right, I hope. So I'm just saying executive orders?
Doesn't that trump everything?
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Now?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Literally?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I don't know, Kelvin, I don't know. It's a great
good question. Maybe can't Maybe he can't touch it.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Yeah, don't. I love how you tried to paint that.
I just keep it so real and I just know you, Rob.
He couldn't even admit when the Lions, remember I said
him there, I said no, no.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I said miss the lions entertaining and good couldn't do it?
Was I right?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Literally, but you picked the Lions on, you picked Detroit
on everything. It doesn't pick against them.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I think it doesn't matter. You have the number.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
It was like one time out of eleven, Teddy, that's
why you're smiling over there.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I just, I'm just, I'm so honest. Was I not right?
Was I not right? Last year?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
How many wrong?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Rob?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
All year you were talking about? They went over there?
Speaker 9 (21:15):
Rob?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Rob? You there right now? Robs you over there? Me
in Switzerland?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Martin Wise jump in here and get his man was trending.
So oh lucky you ain't there.
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to EMU and why why did I did?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I did not know that. That's where I went to
my alma manter as well. Vinnie.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
Oh, what's going on?
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Man?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
What years were you there?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
You never knew you went to end to Eastern I'm like,
what what? It was shocked, Vinnie that you went to.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
I'm not gonna be giving away my ages, but I
will say a little bit. After the turn of little Millennium.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Okay, then yeah, you're there. You might you might have
been in some of my parties. If you ever went
to an ebony and ivory party, you were at my party.
Let's need to hear no there. But he don't even
worry about it. We'll talk about that later, Bennie Mann.
Let's jump in your Game two NBA Finals.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Rob had it.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
The Pacers are gonna win, They're gonna do the two
and oh they got this thing.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I told them, Nah, nah, no, they're four.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
And oh the Thunder when they lose, they come back
and win by average of twenty and ended up being sixteen.
What your initial takeaway from game two?
Speaker 9 (22:35):
It was an expected response. I think when you look
at the Thunder and what they've done this year, done
the playoffs. You lose Game one, you blow that game
to the Denver Nuggets room to Aaron Gordon shot, after
the turnovers and miss free throws, they blow them out.
In game two, your back is against the wall. In
the Game seven against the Nuggets, you blow them out.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Then.
Speaker 9 (22:53):
So usually what happens. Even in Game four against Minnesota,
Minnesota was hitting everything and he attempts to tie that
series and would have if Oklahoma City didn't turn them back.
So they have a remarkable ability to lock in on
a nightly basis. Even though this is a young team,
they have a great ability to focus and they're literally
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that much better than everybody that they're playing right now.
So it's not a surprise that they blew them out
about twenty plus last night.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Vinnie, what if you were to talk to people who
are not watching and the numbers would suggest that some
people are taking this off?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
What are people missing from this series? What are they
missing and watching and not watching this?
Speaker 9 (23:32):
I think, Look, I'm not here to sell the NBA,
but I think if you like basketball, I think I
always thought the argument, well it should be New York
and LA or whatever it is. You don't watch it
for the cities that are in it. You're supposed to
watch it because you want to see good basketball, and
you're going to be entertained. It's the highest level of basketball.
I'm not Look, I don't like hanging out in Oklahoma
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City either, but the thunder are really good, and you
want to watch Shay Gilgess Alexander, and you want to
watch Ty. We talk all the time about how we're
sick of Lebron and Steph and KD and we want
new blood. Well here's some new blood right here and
a player entertaining style of basketball. So if you are
about the things that you say you're about, this should
not be a series that you have a hard time watch.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
But isn't this, Vinny though, I'm gonna push back on you,
this is not new for the NBA because when New
Jersey played Sanetonio, people didn't watch. The Nets might have
been with Jason Kidd and all those guys, that was
a fun team to watch. We already know how great
Tim Duncan and where the Spurs were and a great
coach and pop people didn't watch. So is this more about,
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you know, market size because that was twenty years ago.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That was a long time ago.
Speaker 9 (24:44):
What does market size have to do with people outside
the market.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I'm just saying, but why why did the Spurs have
two of the three lowest rated NBA finals of all time?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Why did whatever?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Why? All right?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Why whatever?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
The next play when the Nets played that team was boring?
I'm asking no, But let.
Speaker 9 (25:01):
Me counter that and say two of the lowest rated
NBA finals with nineteen ninety four. In nineteen ninety nine.
The common denominator in that was the New York Knicks,
the biggest market in the world, and people weren't paying
attention because it's the style of play that wasn't inviting.
The San Antonios first didn't play in inviting style. People
weren't sure that the Golden State Warriors would rate, and
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then you find out that they have Stephan Curry, one
of the more entertaining players we've ever seen, who kind
of came out of nowhere and people came aboard. Now,
if you're telling me that we don't know Tyre's Halliburton, no,
we don't know Shay Gilges Alexander, and we don't know
their personalities as full fledged three dimensional figures. Okay, cool,
I'll buy into that. But you're not going to tell
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me that you can't watch good basketball. If you want
to watch good basketball, that excuse is not going to fly.
That's because you get to the finals doesn't mean you
are an entertaining team. But just because you are in
a city that is not huge doesn't mean that you
can't play entertaining basketball.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
That's not about entertaining. I'm just talking about the numbers.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I still think that fans are regional and so that
when the Knicks got knocked out, New York said, I'm
out on this. When Boston got knocked out, I'm out
on this, Like team fans, I'm not watching this, you
know what I mean? My team should have been there.
I think that's what hurts the NBA more than anything else.
I'm serious, Vinny, Like it's those things. If you're in LA, no,
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I'm nothing, There's nothing you could do about it. I'm
just saying I think that it's more about that.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
The one, the one, the one area.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I get what Rob said, But where I disagree is,
and I will agree with Vinny, is when you get entertained.
The meaning if that Westbrook Hard and Thunder OKC team
went to four finals, we all be to to They
probably said records. Lebron was in Cleveland, of all places,
doing numbers because it was Lebron, a star in a
style of place. So I think the market size is
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a bit over. We over sell that story a little bit,
that narrative a little bit. Uh And I just think
we needed more known, name brand guys. This is why
I said we didn't want Steph. We do want Lebron,
We do want Lucan these guys that we know tho.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
But those guys had to build at first. Lebron's first
NBA Final against the San Antonio Spurs did not rate
well because despite all the things we knew about Lebron,
he was in his fourth year at the time. He
had the Nike and commercials, yet the hummer and everything else.
The public didn't really know him. So those things take time.
It was a difference between two thousand and seven when
he first got there in twenty eleven when he was
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a full fledged the daughter at that point in time.
Sometimes NBA fans are a little slow on the uptick
to something new, but you have to be introduced new things.
They had to move on from Michael Jordan at the point,
they had to move on from Lebron and stuff. And
this is just something that you're going to go through.
It's not the end of the world. And bless be
perfectly honest. I don't know a damn soul that got
a Knielsen box. I got one, So how do they
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know that I'm watching?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah, that's a good question. Hey, Vinnie, who's going to
be the coach of the Knicks.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
That's a great question. I mean, it could be Jason Kidd.
If the compensation works and Jason maybe views that Dallas
situation has run its course, it could be someone like
Mike Brown. I would not be surprised if he wound
up getting serious consideration. I think you have to have
somebody with gravatos. It's a little bit of experience and
somebody that can handle everything that Madison Square Garden and
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James Dolan worldwide West Leon Rose like that team is
not an easy team to coach, To be perfectly honest,
they didn't like teams and I would be perfectly honest.
Some players might not like that. But I don't know
if that if the winning is obscuring everything there, so
you gotta be careful about walking into that situation.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah, you could imagine.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Right, And now Vinnie to add to it, there are
expectations now right they got to the Eastern Conference final game
game and a half away from the finals. The expectations
are higher than they've been for the Knicks in probably
twenty five thirty years. I want to go back to
we getting ready to head towards Game three?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Is are we.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Being critical enough of Tyree Salliburton? Is he playing perfect ball?
For how he where is he Because he admitted himself,
he said, I've had two bad first halfs.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I've got to be better than that.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
To me, I think he has to be able to say,
all right, I have to be more of the leader,
more aggressive to maybe get us out to the great
star and always quit fighting from behind.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
I mean, look, it's two schools of thought. If you're
saying that Tyrese Halliburton is a superstar, then you have
to judge him by superstar standards. If you're saying that
he's a star who has superstar moments like a Reggie Miller,
then you're not going to hold him to the highest
of high esteems. You're not going to If you don't
view him as a top ten player, then you're not
going to say you're not going to hold him to
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the Lebron or Steph or one of those guys. At standards.
He's a very good player that has the remarkable ability
to raise his game when it counts the most. And
in this series he has played a lot of he
has played passive basketball, and I don't think that can
work against this Oklahoma City team. He's going to have
to be a far more aggressive like regardless of whether
he's a superstar star, whatever label it is. For this
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team to compete at the highest level against Oklahoma City,
he's going to have to be a lot more aggressive
because they have defenders that jump in his face at
all times. There's no Jalen Brunton or Carl Anthony Towns
and no guy like that you can just take advantage of.
You're going to have to take the game to these guys,
and you're not going to be efficient. You're just going
to have to sometimes take a lot of shots, play
ugly basketball. But it's going to have to come down
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and getting that second win.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Excuse me, did Lucas.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Slim down so that he could get the contract sign
this offseason? That's all that it looks like to me,
because he was bloated during the season and now all
of a sudden he looks great.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I mean, it's just why where did that come from?
Speaker 9 (30:34):
I mean, I think this is when you don't pay it.
When we're not paying attention to players all the time.
It's hard to pay attention to eighty two games to
guys all the time. Guys get off to a slow
start and then we kind of zoom out of him
a little bit, we go to take our attention somewhere
else around the league, and then we look up like,
oh my god, he had a great January February, March,
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April announce in the playoffs. I just think he's one
of those guys, Rob, that he's always been this good.
Is just he raised his game at the right time.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
He looks better, though, doesn't he than when he was
playing this year? He looks way better.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Sure, yeah, Rob, I know you're not talking you six
months out of the year, you look like you ain't
had a meal in two weeks.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
The next six months look like you need to give
up a meal for one hour.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I got things to do.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
I got to hear you. I'm playing ball though, Vinnie, Man,
we appreciate you as always. I don't know, no, I said,
appreciate your man as always?
Speaker 9 (31:27):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you'll have a go man, thank you?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (31:29):
All right, Vinny Goodwill right there. Make sure you give
him a follow, all right. That can't save conversation.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Man.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
You know, Tyree Salabernon has had a heck of a
postseason run. Is he doing enough? We'll tell you that.
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Speaker 4 (32:37):
He had.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
You had Alan Iverson who his first two had seventy
one points. You recall what he did in two thousand
and one against the Lakers. So now SGA has passed
him in his first two finals games with seventy.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
The same result in the finals. But go ahead, stop, you.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Got the Thunder ain't winning no morek your your prediction?
Well yeah, wuld he be right? It'd be Pacers than five? No, no,
paces and six.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
That's that's what I'm right both ways, Rob, because you
picked the patient before the series and after games two
they ain't gonna win another game, so no matter what happens,
you're right.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
No, no, no, I didn't mean the pat I'm.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Not talking about the Thun. He's saying the Thun ain't
gonna win it.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I'll tell you what did I pick him? I just
I picked him in six, So I did. That was
my original pick, So it wasn't after game one. Oh yeah,
I'm on the Pacers. I picked them.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
That's all.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
You did.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Have a graphic man that said Rob was right. I
was right, actually picked Kelvin Knowles.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I said, just like I made the point about the
Sixers beating the right winning that game, not covering Rob
g Here's.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
What you did, though, that's the problem. You didn't say that.
You just said, here's I could see it being.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Like, no, I had them winning. Say it with your
chest please. That is definitely not my issue, all right,
you know that.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
The issue is speaking of the issue is for the
pacers man or at least the challenge. You know how
Rob I think there's every player and this is really
indicative of all of us in life. We all have
areas where we can be extremely great, right, we're great
at this, We're mastered this in the areas where we're
not the best, and that's just part of the human experience.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
And even players in all sports have those things.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
And I think in the NBA you have certain like
if Russell Westbrook had understand if he had Chris Paul's
kind of pacing and awareness and timing and gentle like
knowing when to take some time, and he would have
been insane, right, And if Chris Paul had his athleticism
and so on and so forth, and Tyres Haliburn, I
think for him his achilles heel is his challenge is.
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And he talked about it. It was an interesting article
in The Athletic about his trainer who he had now
has and the Robert was his trainer's name.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Again, you had had it for me the other day.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
But Drew Handlan, Yeah, Drew Handling. So Drew Handlin was like,
I'm only going to train you.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
He said.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
If tonight he was getting ready to go into a game,
he said, you shoot nineteen at least nineteen field goal TIMPs.
Tyree's kind of like, wait, what his point was? You
have to be more aggressive. And I said this going
into this series, and I even I think even a
little bit in the Knick series that he's so unselfish
that it becomes selfish, right, it almost hurts the team,
it almost, dude, Sometimes we just need a bucket.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
We're going through it right now. This defense is great.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Siaka might be on the bench, Myles Turner shot and
going in, Obie Topping wasn't hidding like he was in
Game one. We just need a bucket, or we need
you to just go to the whole, get filed and
knock down a couple of free throws to settle us
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
He is so good at passing the ball ahead.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
The hockey assist real assists that I think he's gonna
have to kind of find that pacing and when to
be selfish, and I think that's just gonna be one
of those things throughout his career he has to work on.
Is is this the game where I might have to
shoot thirty field goal tim It just might have to
be that way. Is this the game where I might
have to just put my head down and draw files
all night? Because in Knockdown, you know seventeen to twenty
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free throws, and I think he has to do that
every single night. But knowing that feeling of wind it
going on to Okay, guys need me, we're reeling. They're
going on a fifteen to four run the thunder, I
think he's gonna have to look at that and figure
it out because he keeps having these slow first halves
that then they're coming out and have to fight too
hard in the second half. He's averaging fifteen and a half,
six and a half boards, and six assists right now
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in a couple of games in his finals, So he's
gonna have to play better than that if they want
a shot to win.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
In my opinion, yeah, but he can't be Superman, can't
become like the Bad News Bears when you catch have
all the balls that come to the outfield and you
stand in front of other people. So I get that
and he does have to be more aggressive, but he can't.
You can't expect him to now turn and be like, oh,
I'm gonna shoot the ball forty times no matter what,
because that's just not who he is or what's working
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for the team. Yeah, I'm just saying like like like that,
that's not what you're looking for. You just want him
to be more aggressive and know that you can't be
very hard to win a game if you're only gonna
take seven or eight shots. You don't even somebody in
the analytics department can show you that and go here,
when you shoot seven shots or eight shots, we lose
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all the time, you know what I mean? Like that,
that's what I would have to get across to them.
That's not good enough, that's not enough. I'm not asking
you to be a ball hog and change everything you do,
but but we need more from you, and you got.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
To play aggressive. That's all.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Be aggressive, And I think that's what will work for
the Pacers. They're right where they want to be. They
got to play better. It would be different if they
played well in both games and they were down oh
two and they had played well, then I say they
got no shot. They can play better. That's what's so
scary about the Pacers. They can play better, and I
think they will at home, and I think they have
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a good chance of being up three to one after
the next two games.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Everything you were saying was, but just about everything is?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Everything was.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I didn't go too far, too far, No, that's what happens.
That's why we play the games, the things call upset.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Play the game to win or to lose to at home.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
As otherwise we wanted to play that lion's commander's game.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:12):
Vincent Goodwill, NBA reporter and host of The Good Word
podcast for Yahoo Sports Serious NBA Radio holes. I always
say that because Vinnie was married, I was married to
Vinnie's cousin.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
At one point, sots you. Of course he likes me.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I was helped mentor him when he started in his career,
when he was at Eastern Michigan.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Do I ask him?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Let him and if Vinnie went to email? Yes, I
did not know that.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
What do you think thought he want he went to
Eastern Michigan.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
I don't know what I thought. You went to Michigan
State d something that we might We must have crossed
paths at some point.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You got to be around closer to same, maybe a couple.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Of years older than him, But yeah, I think so.
Let me let me ask him when we get on
with him in a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, rob g let's set up the news of the day.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So Adam Schefter has had a report out about the
now that Aaron Rodgers is signed, sealed and delivered.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
What did you have to say?
Speaker 6 (02:06):
It was, actually, you know, considering how far along we've
been in this Aaron Rodgers, the Pittsburgh process kind of
a bombshell.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Aaron Rodgers, excuse me.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Adam Schefter revealed on a recent appearance on the NFL
Live that despite us speculating basically for the better part
of three months that Aaron Rodgers was at some point
going to be the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. According
to Schefty, that wasn't always the case. Here's what he said.
This starting by Aaron Rodgers was the third option for
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the Steelers. They were in on Matthew Stafford. Couldn't get done.
It couldn't get it done into trade. They tried to
re sign Justin Fields. He had to go to the
Jets where he'll meet Rodgers on opening night. And after
they couldn't get a trade done for Stafford, couldn't get Fields,
they decided, hey, let's get Aaron Rodgers instead.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Okay, here's what a story doesn't make any sense to me.
First of all, they dodged a big bullet by not
signing getting going after Matthew Stafford. His numbers were horrendous
last year for the Rams. Can you imagine this? He
threw twenty touchdowns in seventeen games. Twenty touchdowns in seventeen games.
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He was really, really bad. They had a bad stretch
at one point where the Rams were averaging maybe thirteen
or fourteen points a game. It was pretty ugly, and
so they were lucky there that they're not paying Matthew
Stafford thirty seven years old with numbers that had declined
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last year fifty million or whatever. The number would have
been fifty million, which is crazy. And here's the other thing.
The Aaron Rodgers, as we talked about, had better stats.
Aaron Rodgers threw for more yards three eight hundred and
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ninety seven to thirty seven sixty two, had more touchdowns
twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Did Stafford have twenty?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Twenty right? Was that the number one? Yeah, that's what
I thought, right.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So that part they were lucky and they were smart
not to bite on the Stafford thing because you'd have
to give up players and pay the guy fifty million
after coming off twenty touchdowns in seventeen games. The other part,
justin Fields, that to me is a non story because
Justin Fields, there's two things. If they really wanted him
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and he was the second option, they would not say
to him, you're gonna be the starting quarterback and you're
our guy, So you couldn't really want him.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
If that was the sticking point, If you really believe.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
You had something, you would have said to Justin Fields absolutely,
whatever it is, we saw you when you were four
and two before we benched you because we didn't think
you were the best option and you're gonna be the
quarterback They.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Couldn't even do.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
They couldn't even guarantee him the starting job. When you'll
come into camp, you're the quarterback from Jump Street. So
of course that's why he ran to the Jets, right
He ran there because they don't have anybody, So that
that part of the story doesn't make sense. If they
really wanted justin Fields, they worked with them all last year.
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They got to see him up close. If they really
believe he's a quarterback in the future, sign the guy, give.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Him the job.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
What are you looking for if you knew that this
was your guy? So I think they dodged a bullet
in both cases. Aaron Rodgers is still better than Matthew Stafford.
Matthew Stafford has never been better than Aaron Rodgers at
any point of his career ever. Even the Super Bowl
he won, Stafford threw two interceptions and that should have
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been three. Was that the NFC Championship game that he
threw the game losing interception that was dropped? What was
that kid's name, Steve Tart or whatever? Guess what Kelvin is?
He still in the NFL. He hadn't been in the
NFL since that play. That ball was right to him.
You could throw that ball one hundred times. Go look
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at it, Google it, go to YouTube. You can look
at that play up. Throw that ball one hundred times
and guess how many times you would catch that ball.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Ninety nine and a half times.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He would catch that ball and instead he dropped it
and it saved Matthew Stafford's bacon.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So the Steelers, they were very fortunate in this.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And sometimes, guess what, the best things that happened to
you aren't always planned, and I think that's what happened
here for the Stealers.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Boy, I'm so.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Glad I'm here to talk some sansantity for these people.
Let me tell you why you were wrong with my friend.
First and foremost, let's dive a little deeper into this
disrespect you're trying to put on Matthew Stafford because I
know you like to call him Matthew Stafford or whatever
you call him. Matthew Stafford had twenty touchdowns and eight interceptions,
so you're making it like he only had twenty touchdowns
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and had like eighteen interceptions last year. Also, the Rams
decided to run the ball a lot, and he was
missing his top receivers for quite some time. We know
that Matthew Stafford has been exactly what the Rams have
needed twenty touchdowns, eight interceptions. Last year the Rams ran
the ball, and you know he was without his top
receivers on and off throughout the whole year. Let's continue
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with some numbers, Rob Parkers, since you want to talk
numbers for.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Your guy, Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
In his games for seven games for the Rams in
the playoffs, Matthew Stafford has a quarterbackter passing rating of
one hundred and nine point two two thousand yards, fifteen
touchdowns and three interceptions in seven games. He has been
dominant for them throughout his time as their quarterback in
the postseason.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
He's also, as you mentioned.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Four years younger, and the forty two million dollars that
they would have had to pay him an average between
forty this coming, forty four this year forty the next
puts them pretty much where he should be. I mean,
you look at all the quarterbacks who will be making
more money than him. Do you look at Dak Prescott,
Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence, Tua Toloa,
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Jered Goff, Brock Perty, Justin, Herbert Lamar Jackson, and then
you get a few other guys ahead of him. Forty
two million dollars for a good quarterback, a super Bowl
winning quarterback, approven quarterback is par for the course. That's
pretty much average money now for a good quarterback. So
if I get the guy for two to three years,
who is younger, who is healthier, who has had stronger
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arm that's not even a question at this point, and who,
like I mentioned, I have a chance to build with
proactively and longer. Why am I bringing in a guy
it just be might be solid for a year and
then I got to move on.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
What's the point of that? To me?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
That's the genuine part I've never understood in this is
that if Aaron Rodgers is solid, let's give him twenty
two touchdowns, to give him eight interceptions, not bad, not good,
but okay, and we go nine and eight eight nine.
What was the point of that? Why not be building
towards something, some something sustainable. I genuinely don't understand that part.
Why am I so excited to have a guy for
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one year who's forty one going on forty two now
like he's thirty six.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I get that, So help me understand that easy.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
As le Broncos who won a Super Bowl with Peyton Manning,
as the the uh Tampa Bay Bucks who won a
Super Bowl with Tom bro I'm just the idea that
you're talking about. For one year, anybody would take a chance.
One year chance everybody. Anybody would take a chance. Okay,
but but my point is you need one. There's only
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one team you could play for. But Rob, I mean,
it doesn't what your say.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
In a long time.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But what you're saying makes no sense. Well, he could
still play, and if he's in a better situation. You'll
find out this year that again it was the Jets.
You weren't on the show, but Rob g will tell you.
I told him it was a mistake to go to
the Jets. Rob Ge did not say that that it
would end badly, because that's what's happened to everybody who
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goes to the Jets. I told him before it even happened.
I watched this team my whole life. I didn't even
doubt it. I said it. Here's my point, Noe. But
my point is at Stafford he threw the game winning
touchdown right in the in the Super Bowl, right, but
he didn't win the Super Bowl MVP. Why twenty six
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for forty three interceptions, I mean three touchdowns and two interceptions.
That's why he's an interception machine. That's why he didn't
win the MVP. The very few quarterbacks, very few, who
don't throw a game winning touchdown at the end, remember
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that game was out at the wire, and then don't
win the MVP because he didn't play well enough to
be an MVP with two interceptions in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
And my other point is the Steelers never wanted justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
They could have easily committed to him.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
How in the world could they not tell that kid,
he's a young kid, was supposedly upside. They could have
easily said, the job is yours, come in as number
one and that's it. And the best part of this
whole thing Aaron Rodgers making thirteen and a half and
Stafford forty two, and then that means you could add
all the pieces to the team.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And you could build for the future.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's okay he Aaron judged Aaron Rodgers could be a
stopgap that happens all the time. Look at all the
great quarterbacks who finished their careers elsewhere. This is not new,
this is the NFL. This is what happens over and over.
And guess what. Stafford almost finished his career somewhere else,
even after winning a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
He was close.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
The Rams told him to go ahead and take a look.
Look around. That's how much they wanted him go take
take a look. And guess what. He didn't get his
as much money as he could have gotten on the open,
walking the Giants off of the more Robi.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Here's my thing.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Aaron Rodgers is not that great anymore, and so he's
not the guy to come and change your franchise. And
that's okay, and they're not built right now to have
that guy.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
The difference between you keep bringing up Peyton Manny.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Peyton Manning was coming off and in saying couple of
years putting up crazy stats. That's still he was still
the sheriff. Tom Brady was still coming off being Tom.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Might and he won all but they won a Super
Bowl with a bad Peyton mann point.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And my point is the Steelers ain't to Broncos right now,
and the Steelers are not definitely not the Buccaneers when
it comes to talent on the outside and when it
comes to the team's defense. So what I'm saying is
they went to the most ideal situations. He's going to
a team with Russell Wilson, who was essentially him at
this point, losing six straight, who lost their best receiver,
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who lost their running back, and their defensive players are
getting older. So this is not an optimal situation he's
going to. He's not going to the Ravens. They Lamar
Jackson decided to retire early, and he's going to the Ravens.
He's going to the Bills, where you say, oh, okay,
now you might be cooking the Steelers, aren't that right now?
So to expect on the bad Achilles of an almost
forty two year old to all of a sudden be
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great when he hasn't been great, That's what I'm saying.
What's gonna happen with Lamar Jackson is up fourteen to three,
Aaron Rodgers is not gonna bring you back. What's gonna
happen with Joe Burrow? And that offense gets you up
seventeen to seven.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Easy, and they come to give it up because We've
seen it happen before, Yes you are. And last year
Stafford during a three game stretch in December when they
needed to win to make the playoffs, Stafford and the
offense averaged fourteen points a game in this NFL. They
were lucky to win all three of those games because
it was the defense that was able to win it
for him. And last year, Rodgers' offense scored twenty points
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or more right, ten times the same as Stafford. The
difference was that one had a defense that stepped up
and the other one their defense gave it up. The
Jets lost five games last year where they couldn't where
they couldn't stop and did the other team's offense and
gave it up at the end of game.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
There was five of them and a missfield goal. So
the Steelers defense, who isn't as good? You just said
the Jets. We all expected their defense. They weren't good
last year.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I said, we expected them to begin, expected them.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
To get a stop them eventually.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
And then the Steelers defense, we expected me great. It
wasn't that great. So Aaron Rodgers is five and twelve
if the defense ain't that great. So that's pretty much
we can maybe go seven to ten. You said, I
thought you said you said five wins. That's the Steelers five. No,
that's what they did last year. He did with the
Jets with a defense that wasn't that great. That's what
he's going to do a round seven seven to ten Max.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. Well, they played
the Jets week one, so there's one. So they just
kind of win.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Just Field's goal thrash them, okay, and just be the
fields goal doesn't mean they should have let him go.
Rob You keep saying they had all the chance to Look,
they they watched that guy. This is they watched him.
He's he's a young guy on his third team in
three years.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
That's the guy. He's on his third team in three seasons.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
And touchdowns, one interception, four and two. Who gets rid
of that guy? Make it make plenty of plenty of people.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Obviously two other teams did eight seven seven ninety nine
on Fox eight seven seven nine nine six sixty three
sixty nine did the steal his dodger bullet? Not having
to pay Matthew Stafford a bloated salary for his low
touchdown numbers.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Or that's a deal.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Forty two for that guy? No way?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Or did they make out getting Aaron Rodgers for this
season at a bargain price thirteen million and a four
time MVP, a Super Bowl winner, a big game player
unlike Matthew Stafford will do that.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
No, no, no, Jade, We'll do that and much more.
It is the hodcome we want to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
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should be. Rob and I talking about the Steelers. Do
they dodge a bullet not signing Matthew Stafford? I say
they should have. Rob says no, that he's happy with
the geriatric Aaron Rodgers eight seven seven ninety nine on
Fox Who We.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Got Andre and Master chooses, You're on the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, dright?
Speaker 7 (17:04):
How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Doing great? How are you George?
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Georg? Thanks for taking the call. Listen. I do feel
that the Steelers got it right bringing in Aaron Rodgers.
Never mind, you know, stat Pafford and what you're saying, Rob,
you know, in the empty calories, Yes, sometimes.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
That's most of his career, most of his career.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
He was down twenty one nothing when he started throwing
the ball, twenty one nothing.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
You know, defense is moving back, giving you those who
get those things underneath. You know him to get the
sets he did. You know, you credit him. You know
he linked up with the Rams and got the super
bottom line is this, though, I feel like the Steelers
and Aaron Rodgers, this is how they wanted to play out,
you know, and he was eventually going to sign them.
If they're more on the same page than kind of
meets the eye. I would have liked to happen earlier,
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but it's happening a little bit later in the process.
And if Aaron Rodgers is going to come into Pittsburgh
and be a good citizen, he definitely gives them a
better chance to be successful and a competitive AFSC North
who knows the AFC is a not what they can
do if they when they make the playoffs, but he
gives them the best chance to win overall. Rating that packwords,
So I think they got it right. Thanks taking a call, No.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Doubt Packing took teams of Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
You heard fifteen touchdowns and was it two interceptions?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Whatever it is? In the playoffs with the Rams man stop, did.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
You see against Philadelphia had a chance to win the game?
Did you watch that at the end?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
So they go four and out? Was it four and out?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, he had a chance.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Aaron Rodgers at the crib.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
JJ, me and you JJ and Seattle. You're in the
odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
Hey, Robbie Calvin, longtime listener, love the show, Thank you
one another time.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
JJ.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
Yep, Hey, I gotta tell you, Rob You're off base
on this one. Matt Stafford got a lot of years
left in him. I don't know what it is. It's
everything that has a Detroit touch to it. You seem
to know right, and I have never been able to
figure out why you got Detroit roots. I'm from six
Mile in Farmington, man oh.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Y erst Wait a minute. I have I have a
barber shop on seven Male. I have a house in Southfield.
I have businesses. But no, no, that JJ, it's exact opposite. No, no, no,
just hear me on, I let you go. It's exact opposite.
What you should be saying to yourself is you've never
(19:22):
met anybody who's not a total homer like Kelvin who just,
no matter what, Kate Cunningham is the best player.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
The Pistons are gonna beat the Nicks. The Lions are
going to the.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Super Bowl, Like, would you rather that somebody giving you
that or someone being honest? I have every reason to
call the Tigers or whatever. The situation is the way
it is when those moments come. But I'm honest, and
that's why people are mad. They were mad at me
in Cincinnati, they were mad at me in New York,
they were mad at me in Detroit. And guess what,
(19:55):
They're mad at me in La, right, Rob g They
called me the La hater out here.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
So I'm a realist, that's all. I'm mad. That's all
I'm at.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Go ahead, I love that you call that. I'm gonna
let JJ talking. I'm gonna light you up afterwards.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
I'm not mad at you and all of I just
love all things Detroit and I think you're a little biased.
And one more question for you, my friend, who do
you think made Juneteenth a federal holiday that ain't going nowhere?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
We love it.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
All right, I hope. So I'm just saying executive orders?
Doesn't that trump everything?
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Now?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Literally?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I don't know, Kelvin, I don't know. It's a great
good question. Maybe can't Maybe he can't touch it.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Yeah, don't. I love how you tried to paint that.
I just keep it so real and I just know you, Rob.
He couldn't even admit when the Lions, remember I said
him there, I said no, no.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I said miss the lions entertaining and good couldn't do it?
Was I right?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Literally, but you picked the Lions on, you picked Detroit
on everything. It doesn't pick against them.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I think it doesn't matter. You have the number.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
It was like one time out of eleven, Teddy, that's
why you're smiling over there.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I just, I'm just, I'm so honest. Was I not right?
Was I not right? Last year?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
How many wrong?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Rob?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
All year you were talking about? They went over there?
Speaker 9 (21:15):
Rob?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Rob? You there right now? Robs you over there? Me
in Switzerland?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Martin Wise jump in here and get his man was trending.
So oh lucky you ain't there.
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NBA radio hosts and Yahoo Sports. I'm sorry and went
to EMU and why why did I did?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I did not know that. That's where I went to
my alma manter as well. Vinnie.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
Oh, what's going on?
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Man?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
What years were you there?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
You never knew you went to end to Eastern I'm like,
what what? It was shocked, Vinnie that you went to.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
I'm not gonna be giving away my ages, but I
will say a little bit. After the turn of little Millennium.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Okay, then yeah, you're there. You might you might have
been in some of my parties. If you ever went
to an ebony and ivory party, you were at my party.
Let's need to hear no there. But he don't even
worry about it. We'll talk about that later, Bennie Mann.
Let's jump in your Game two NBA Finals.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Rob had it.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
The Pacers are gonna win, They're gonna do the two
and oh they got this thing.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I told them, Nah, nah, no, they're four.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
And oh the Thunder when they lose, they come back
and win by average of twenty and ended up being sixteen.
What your initial takeaway from game two?
Speaker 9 (22:35):
It was an expected response. I think when you look
at the Thunder and what they've done this year, done
the playoffs. You lose Game one, you blow that game
to the Denver Nuggets room to Aaron Gordon shot, after
the turnovers and miss free throws, they blow them out.
In game two, your back is against the wall. In
the Game seven against the Nuggets, you blow them out.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Then.
Speaker 9 (22:53):
So usually what happens. Even in Game four against Minnesota,
Minnesota was hitting everything and he attempts to tie that
series and would have if Oklahoma City didn't turn them back.
So they have a remarkable ability to lock in on
a nightly basis. Even though this is a young team,
they have a great ability to focus and they're literally
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that much better than everybody that they're playing right now.
So it's not a surprise that they blew them out
about twenty plus last night.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Vinnie, what if you were to talk to people who
are not watching and the numbers would suggest that some
people are taking this off?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
What are people missing from this series? What are they
missing and watching and not watching this?
Speaker 9 (23:32):
I think, Look, I'm not here to sell the NBA,
but I think if you like basketball, I think I
always thought the argument, well it should be New York
and LA or whatever it is. You don't watch it
for the cities that are in it. You're supposed to
watch it because you want to see good basketball, and
you're going to be entertained. It's the highest level of basketball.
I'm not Look, I don't like hanging out in Oklahoma
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City either, but the thunder are really good, and you
want to watch Shay Gilgess Alexander, and you want to
watch Ty. We talk all the time about how we're
sick of Lebron and Steph and KD and we want
new blood. Well here's some new blood right here and
a player entertaining style of basketball. So if you are
about the things that you say you're about, this should
not be a series that you have a hard time watch.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
But isn't this, Vinny though, I'm gonna push back on you,
this is not new for the NBA because when New
Jersey played Sanetonio, people didn't watch. The Nets might have
been with Jason Kidd and all those guys, that was
a fun team to watch. We already know how great
Tim Duncan and where the Spurs were and a great
coach and pop people didn't watch. So is this more about,
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you know, market size because that was twenty years ago.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That was a long time ago.
Speaker 9 (24:44):
What does market size have to do with people outside
the market.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I'm just saying, but why why did the Spurs have
two of the three lowest rated NBA finals of all time?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Why did whatever?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Why? All right?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Why whatever?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
The next play when the Nets played that team was boring?
I'm asking no, But let.
Speaker 9 (25:01):
Me counter that and say two of the lowest rated
NBA finals with nineteen ninety four. In nineteen ninety nine.
The common denominator in that was the New York Knicks,
the biggest market in the world, and people weren't paying
attention because it's the style of play that wasn't inviting.
The San Antonios first didn't play in inviting style. People
weren't sure that the Golden State Warriors would rate, and
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then you find out that they have Stephan Curry, one
of the more entertaining players we've ever seen, who kind
of came out of nowhere and people came aboard. Now,
if you're telling me that we don't know Tyre's Halliburton, no,
we don't know Shay Gilges Alexander, and we don't know
their personalities as full fledged three dimensional figures. Okay, cool,
I'll buy into that. But you're not going to tell
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me that you can't watch good basketball. If you want
to watch good basketball, that excuse is not going to fly.
That's because you get to the finals doesn't mean you
are an entertaining team. But just because you are in
a city that is not huge doesn't mean that you
can't play entertaining basketball.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
That's not about entertaining. I'm just talking about the numbers.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I still think that fans are regional and so that
when the Knicks got knocked out, New York said, I'm
out on this. When Boston got knocked out, I'm out
on this, Like team fans, I'm not watching this, you
know what I mean? My team should have been there.
I think that's what hurts the NBA more than anything else.
I'm serious, Vinny, Like it's those things. If you're in LA, no,
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I'm nothing, There's nothing you could do about it. I'm
just saying I think that it's more about that.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
The one, the one, the one area.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I get what Rob said, But where I disagree is,
and I will agree with Vinny, is when you get entertained.
The meaning if that Westbrook Hard and Thunder OKC team
went to four finals, we all be to to They
probably said records. Lebron was in Cleveland, of all places,
doing numbers because it was Lebron, a star in a
style of place. So I think the market size is
(26:52):
a bit over. We over sell that story a little bit,
that narrative a little bit. Uh And I just think
we needed more known, name brand guys. This is why
I said we didn't want Steph. We do want Lebron,
We do want Lucan these guys that we know tho.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
But those guys had to build at first. Lebron's first
NBA Final against the San Antonio Spurs did not rate
well because despite all the things we knew about Lebron,
he was in his fourth year at the time. He
had the Nike and commercials, yet the hummer and everything else.
The public didn't really know him. So those things take time.
It was a difference between two thousand and seven when
he first got there in twenty eleven when he was
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a full fledged the daughter at that point in time.
Sometimes NBA fans are a little slow on the uptick
to something new, but you have to be introduced new things.
They had to move on from Michael Jordan at the point,
they had to move on from Lebron and stuff. And
this is just something that you're going to go through.
It's not the end of the world. And bless be
perfectly honest. I don't know a damn soul that got
a Knielsen box. I got one, So how do they
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know that I'm watching?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah, that's a good question. Hey, Vinnie, who's going to
be the coach of the Knicks.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
That's a great question. I mean, it could be Jason Kidd.
If the compensation works and Jason maybe views that Dallas
situation has run its course, it could be someone like
Mike Brown. I would not be surprised if he wound
up getting serious consideration. I think you have to have
somebody with gravatos. It's a little bit of experience and
somebody that can handle everything that Madison Square Garden and
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James Dolan worldwide West Leon Rose like that team is
not an easy team to coach, To be perfectly honest,
they didn't like teams and I would be perfectly honest.
Some players might not like that. But I don't know
if that if the winning is obscuring everything there, so
you gotta be careful about walking into that situation.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah, you could imagine.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Right, And now Vinnie to add to it, there are
expectations now right they got to the Eastern Conference final game
game and a half away from the finals. The expectations
are higher than they've been for the Knicks in probably
twenty five thirty years. I want to go back to
we getting ready to head towards Game three?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Is are we.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Being critical enough of Tyree Salliburton? Is he playing perfect ball?
For how he where is he Because he admitted himself,
he said, I've had two bad first halfs.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I've got to be better than that.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
To me, I think he has to be able to say,
all right, I have to be more of the leader,
more aggressive to maybe get us out to the great
star and always quit fighting from behind.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
I mean, look, it's two schools of thought. If you're
saying that Tyrese Halliburton is a superstar, then you have
to judge him by superstar standards. If you're saying that
he's a star who has superstar moments like a Reggie Miller,
then you're not going to hold him to the highest
of high esteems. You're not going to If you don't
view him as a top ten player, then you're not
going to say you're not going to hold him to
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the Lebron or Steph or one of those guys. At standards.
He's a very good player that has the remarkable ability
to raise his game when it counts the most. And
in this series he has played a lot of he
has played passive basketball, and I don't think that can
work against this Oklahoma City team. He's going to have
to be a far more aggressive like regardless of whether
he's a superstar star, whatever label it is. For this
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team to compete at the highest level against Oklahoma City,
he's going to have to be a lot more aggressive
because they have defenders that jump in his face at
all times. There's no Jalen Brunton or Carl Anthony Towns
and no guy like that you can just take advantage of.
You're going to have to take the game to these guys,
and you're not going to be efficient. You're just going
to have to sometimes take a lot of shots, play
ugly basketball. But it's going to have to come down
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and getting that second win.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Excuse me, did Lucas.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Slim down so that he could get the contract sign
this offseason? That's all that it looks like to me,
because he was bloated during the season and now all
of a sudden he looks great.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I mean, it's just why where did that come from?
Speaker 9 (30:34):
I mean, I think this is when you don't pay it.
When we're not paying attention to players all the time.
It's hard to pay attention to eighty two games to
guys all the time. Guys get off to a slow
start and then we kind of zoom out of him
a little bit, we go to take our attention somewhere
else around the league, and then we look up like,
oh my god, he had a great January February, March,
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April announce in the playoffs. I just think he's one
of those guys, Rob, that he's always been this good.
Is just he raised his game at the right time.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
He looks better, though, doesn't he than when he was
playing this year? He looks way better.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Sure, yeah, Rob, I know you're not talking you six
months out of the year, you look like you ain't
had a meal in two weeks.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
The next six months look like you need to give
up a meal for one hour.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I got things to do.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
I got to hear you. I'm playing ball though, Vinnie, Man,
we appreciate you as always. I don't know, no, I said,
appreciate your man as always?
Speaker 9 (31:27):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you'll have a go man, thank you?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (31:29):
All right, Vinny Goodwill right there. Make sure you give
him a follow, all right. That can't save conversation.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Man.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
You know, Tyree Salabernon has had a heck of a
postseason run. Is he doing enough? We'll tell you that.
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Speaker 4 (32:37):
He had.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
You had Alan Iverson who his first two had seventy
one points. You recall what he did in two thousand
and one against the Lakers. So now SGA has passed
him in his first two finals games with seventy.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
The same result in the finals. But go ahead, stop, you.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Got the Thunder ain't winning no morek your your prediction?
Well yeah, wuld he be right? It'd be Pacers than five? No, no,
paces and six.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
That's that's what I'm right both ways, Rob, because you
picked the patient before the series and after games two
they ain't gonna win another game, so no matter what happens,
you're right.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
No, no, no, I didn't mean the pat I'm.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Not talking about the Thun. He's saying the Thun ain't
gonna win it.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I'll tell you what did I pick him? I just
I picked him in six, So I did. That was
my original pick, So it wasn't after game one. Oh yeah,
I'm on the Pacers. I picked them.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
That's all.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
You did.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Have a graphic man that said Rob was right. I
was right, actually picked Kelvin Knowles.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I said, just like I made the point about the
Sixers beating the right winning that game, not covering Rob
g Here's.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
What you did, though, that's the problem. You didn't say that.
You just said, here's I could see it being.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Like, no, I had them winning. Say it with your
chest please. That is definitely not my issue, all right,
you know that.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
The issue is speaking of the issue is for the
pacers man or at least the challenge. You know how
Rob I think there's every player and this is really
indicative of all of us in life. We all have
areas where we can be extremely great, right, we're great
at this, We're mastered this in the areas where we're
not the best, and that's just part of the human experience.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
And even players in all sports have those things.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
And I think in the NBA you have certain like
if Russell Westbrook had understand if he had Chris Paul's
kind of pacing and awareness and timing and gentle like
knowing when to take some time, and he would have
been insane, right, And if Chris Paul had his athleticism
and so on and so forth, and Tyres Haliburn, I
think for him his achilles heel is his challenge is.
(34:37):
And he talked about it. It was an interesting article
in The Athletic about his trainer who he had now
has and the Robert was his trainer's name.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Again, you had had it for me the other day.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
But Drew Handlan, Yeah, Drew Handling. So Drew Handlin was like,
I'm only going to train you.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
He said.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
If tonight he was getting ready to go into a game,
he said, you shoot nineteen at least nineteen field goal TIMPs.
Tyree's kind of like, wait, what his point was? You
have to be more aggressive. And I said this going
into this series, and I even I think even a
little bit in the Knick series that he's so unselfish
that it becomes selfish, right, it almost hurts the team,
it almost, dude, Sometimes we just need a bucket.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
We're going through it right now. This defense is great.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Siaka might be on the bench, Myles Turner shot and
going in, Obie Topping wasn't hidding like he was in
Game one. We just need a bucket, or we need
you to just go to the whole, get filed and
knock down a couple of free throws to settle us
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
He is so good at passing the ball ahead.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
The hockey assist real assists that I think he's gonna
have to kind of find that pacing and when to
be selfish, and I think that's just gonna be one
of those things throughout his career he has to work on.
Is is this the game where I might have to
shoot thirty field goal tim It just might have to
be that way. Is this the game where I might
have to just put my head down and draw files
all night? Because in Knockdown, you know seventeen to twenty
(35:55):
free throws, and I think he has to do that
every single night. But knowing that feeling of wind it
going on to Okay, guys need me, we're reeling. They're
going on a fifteen to four run the thunder, I
think he's gonna have to look at that and figure
it out because he keeps having these slow first halves
that then they're coming out and have to fight too
hard in the second half. He's averaging fifteen and a half,
six and a half boards, and six assists right now
(36:17):
in a couple of games in his finals, So he's
gonna have to play better than that if they want
a shot to win.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
In my opinion, yeah, but he can't be Superman, can't
become like the Bad News Bears when you catch have
all the balls that come to the outfield and you
stand in front of other people. So I get that
and he does have to be more aggressive, but he can't.
You can't expect him to now turn and be like, oh,
I'm gonna shoot the ball forty times no matter what,
because that's just not who he is or what's working
(36:42):
for the team. Yeah, I'm just saying like like like that,
that's not what you're looking for. You just want him
to be more aggressive and know that you can't be
very hard to win a game if you're only gonna
take seven or eight shots. You don't even somebody in
the analytics department can show you that and go here,
when you shoot seven shots or eight shots, we lose
(37:03):
all the time, you know what I mean? Like that,
that's what I would have to get across to them.
That's not good enough, that's not enough. I'm not asking
you to be a ball hog and change everything you do,
but but we need more from you, and you got.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
To play aggressive. That's all.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Be aggressive, And I think that's what will work for
the Pacers. They're right where they want to be. They
got to play better. It would be different if they
played well in both games and they were down oh
two and they had played well, then I say they
got no shot. They can play better. That's what's so
scary about the Pacers. They can play better, and I
think they will at home, and I think they have
(37:41):
a good chance of being up three to one after
the next two games.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Everything you were saying was, but just about everything is?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Everything was.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I didn't go too far, too far, No, that's what happens.
That's why we play the games, the things call upset.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Play the game to win or to lose to at home.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
As otherwise we wanted to play that lion's commander's game.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
We wouldn't even hear you can't hear you say
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