June 17, 2025 • 38 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether LeBron James’ anti-Rings Culture sentiment is legitimate or just something he says to help boost his own legacy.Plus, NBA champion and FOX Sports Radio NBA analyst Antonio Daniels swings by to discuss LeBron’s comments, Tyrese Haliburton’s underwhelming performance in Game 5 of the NBA Finals, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (01:22):
To give out our personal cell phone numbers. Yes, I
mean we might as well do it. That's what you
gotta do.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, So a lot of stuff going on, Rob You
can you talk about this store. I'm not gonna say,
set the table because then you got an issue with me,
especially now Rob Okay, now me, especially now, not you.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's the street. It's the streets, the street protesting and
all that.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Right now, we can't have Rob in a position of
power talking down on Mexicans.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
First of all, I thought it was black and brownie down.
I thought we were united. I know, what did I do?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
You know what real talk? I saw the videos. You
probably saw Kevin and Ron how much news you watch anymore?
But he told me in Compton they had the ice
and the Homeland Security rolled through and the whole community
is like, nah, fam, then you're gonna come through here.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, And they flipped went down different street.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I guess we're gonna go down Fifth Street now.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
It's been happening around the country, rob Gi Like, people
are like, yeah, it's it's a lot going on right now.
And the craziest thing about all this was not this
past Thursday, but the Thursday prior, so we can have
a going at all.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Start.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Everything was normal, like normal just life and then yep,
our you know, federal government was like go ahead and
run those raids and it's just like wait, what like
chaos ensued out the blue?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Just like what anything to say about that? Right? I
think it's horrible.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
I know, I know what I know. I know this
is the hard part about our job. Sometime we can't
go where were you know, I can't go where early
want to go. Yeah, I got thrown a suit in
about twelve hours.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, it's just and I know you guys know you know,
being black American, black men, black male that it's people
think things about you just by looking at you. And
now people are seeing that if you look like me
in southern California, you're probably gonna get stop.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
It's horrible. Yeah, I had a college. It's happened to
my whole life. I'll give you plenty of example.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
I know, man, I had a conversation with a coworker,
you know, a Mexican American, and she just shared something
like I had no idea like you. She seemed off
the last couple of weeks, and she shared some really
really deep stuff and I was like, wow, like what
people are going through that have to continue to smile
and go to work. But you don't know what happened
to their family. You don't know what's going on their own.
You don't know what's going on with their sister in
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law and so on and so forth. It's it's crazy
and we're just in a we're in a weird, crazy
time where everything's happening at once.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, Jackie Robinson can't even have a dangel. I don't
even want to go there. Yeah, it's a lot going on.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
All right, Gus, Well bye, Yeah, arets a great segue.
So the NBA Finals are currently going on, and that
means that by this time next week we will have
a new champion. We will have a new member of
the rings club in basketball history. Rings culture, of course,
has been pervasive throughout sports media for about a decade
(04:03):
at least, maybe even longer than that, and Lebron James,
in the latest episode of the Mind the Game podcast
with Steve Nash, was taking some listener questions on the show.
One of them was, Hey, Lebron, you got four rings,
Why don't you tell us your thoughts on rings culture?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Take a listen. It's funny.
Speaker 8 (04:18):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know why I've discussed
so much in our sport and why it's the all
be all of everything. You can sit here and you
tell me, you know, Alan I Everson and Charles Barkley
and Steve Nash, you know, you know, wasn't unbelievable, Like, oh,
they can't be talked about or discussed with these guys.
(04:41):
Is because this guy one one ring or one two
rings or one like it's just it's just weird to me.
It's like Sam Peyton Manning can't be in the same
room with Brady or Mahomes because he only has one ring.
They don't never discuss that in the sport or telling
me that Dann Marino is not the greatest slinger of
all time, or he can't be in the room with
those guys because he didn't win a championship.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
They don't discuss those things.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Once again, if he had enough rings to be considered
the greatest, it would be Okay, this is a typical Lebron.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
He doesn't feel like he's gonna get.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
There and that's gonna be held against him, So now
he's gonna down play the ring. If it wasn't about that, Lebron,
and if Steve Nash had any kind of bus.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay, no, if he had anything, then I would have said.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Lebron, why did you leave Cleveland and go to Miami
chasing rings?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You're the one who did it. You're the one away
who ran away. You're the one who.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Put together a super team so that you could win rings.
You would have wanted, were afraid not to win a
championship as great as you were as a player.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That's right now, he's.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Saying being a winning rings because that's what he wanted
to win. Such a phony. I'm so tired of hearing this.
On one hand, he talking about I don't know, doing
about rings or whatever. He's the one, Calvin that wasn't
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somebody imitating him.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
He's the one talking up about seven rings.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
He's the one who left Cleveland's hometown and went to
go chase rings in Miami. He's the one who keeps leaving,
who came to LA to chase rings because he looked
at Michael Jordan. And if you look at Michael Jordan's
career and you think it's just about.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Rings, you got your you're mistaken.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Michael Jordan was a great player, led the league in
score in ten times I could go over and over
the all time leading scorer in the postseason. It was
more than just a six rings. This whole notion. And
if Steve Nash had anything, he could have said, you know,
Lebron Payne did win two championship. Well Payne only got
one hent exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
But my point is is this is.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Total garbage on Lebron's point on part the only reason
if Lebron had eight or ten rings, you think he
would be talking about the number of rings people counting.
Of course he would not. Such a phony. I'm so
tired of hearing guys make an excuse when it doesn't
fit their narrative. He has to be able to talk
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about longevity and all this other stuff to be able
to beget sit a great It's not that you have
to win a ring to be great. Okay, you can
be a great player. I'll sit here and tell you
Charles Barkley was a great player. Steve Nash won two MVPs.
No one's gonna say he won't a great player in
the NBA. But when you talk about the greatest of
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all time, I don't know if anybody who's the greatest
of anything who didn't win at some point in their life.
Dann Marino was a hell of a quarterback. I'm a
city here and tell you he's the best quarterback ever
and he never won. Come on, man, nobody. Many times
I have to bring up Marv Levy.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
He went the four straight Super Bowls of the Code four.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Not one time I've ever heard anybody say Marv Levy's
the greatest coach in NFL history. You know why, because
he didn't win. That's why we keep score, That's why
we hand out trophies. It does matter. Stop trying to
say that winning doesn't matter. It does matter. When you're
talking about putting somebody ahead of everybody and saying they're
the greatest that.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Ever did something, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
I actually, I actually agree with that last statement. I
think when you're talking about the pantheons, right, I gotta
start to nitpick lebron A, Kobe cre I gotta start
bringing those things up. But I want to I'm gonna
reverse it here. So then let me let me reverse
and start from the beginning here, from where you just
ended it. I do believe there was a genesis. I
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do believe there was a point when something kind of changed.
And I think when you just mentioned Lebron leaving, I
think a large part of why he was leaving was
I think Lebron, we knew the talent was there.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
He's MVP's, he's going.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
He went to the finals in seven, but he loses,
and I think all he starts to hear because this, remember,
this modern era is an advent of de bait shows
daily every single day, the advent of social media. This
is a hearing of things, these conversations daily daily, daily, daily, daily,
and we all know Lebron gets in the league, he
becomes the hot topic. Lebron the Cowboys and the Lakers
or Yankees, you know, make sure you watch Rinse repeat
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say that every week, every day, the greatest hits. And
so I think when he starts to hear, oh, he's
not a Kobe, Well he scores more than Kobe, he's
a better passing in code.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well he's not a Kobe because Kobe won. Well he
can't be Jordan because Jordan won.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
And I think what starts to happen with him was was, shoot,
I can be MVPs.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I can be in the finals and lose. I can
be an All Star.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
My team can win fifty five sixty games, but if
I don't win, people are gonna never put me on
this place. So I have to go to find a
winn because Cleveland obviously didn't put anything around him at
that time, so I think he jumps ship and I
think that same thing happened to Kevin Durant. Well, dang,
I'm starting balling out. I'm an All star, second best
player in the league. For all these years, I've been
to the finals, you know, with the back in what
(10:07):
was it twenty eleven, but twenty twelve, But no one's
gonna say anything about this unless I win. I think
we started to have with these guys were so worried
about if I don't win, and I started to freak
out because I do believe the ring culture started to
be a conversation when we were back in back in
the day. Just somebody who said Will Chamberlain was the
best player in the league ever. Best you know what,
(10:28):
the best player ever was Will Chamberlain.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
He had a ring.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Russell had eleven, but they felt Will Chamberlain was more
Dominiqu's best player in the league. Somebody said, no, Larry
hold on loud, did you talk for quite a bit.
Larry Bird was the best player in the ever to them.
A lot of people, well he had one, then he
had two, then he had three, and for them, that
was what they saw. I remember Larry Reggie Miller being
that guy. He could have been your favorite player and
people would have been like, oh, that's your favite player. Okay, cool,
(10:52):
I know me. Michael Jordan be given to him. But
the end conversation was never always rings. I do think
we've gotten obsessed with rings over the last fteen years.
We've gotten lazy with our contextualizing things. We've gotten lazy
with our analysis, where you go, Shack can't even get
something for chuckle. But let me tell you I got
four rings. You don't have any, And it becomes lazy.
(11:13):
Who he's got five rings. Who he's got six rings,
Well he's got three rings. He hadn't won a ring.
That's the laziest thing. So I do believe, I agree
that is a massive part of the equation. And if
he's starting it picking if I'm talking about Steph, I'm
talking about Kareem, I'm talking about King, you got to
start having those conversations right the little bit. Okay, he's
better here he has more rings. That's a part of
the equation. But I do believe there are some people
(11:36):
that close their eyes blindly and go, who he's.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Got more rings? Who he's got more rings?
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Because that's all they've heard from debate shows, that's all
they've heard on social media for the last fifteen to
twenty years. Yawn, it's so boring, and there's no ability
to con sexualize or have a conversation with nuanced conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I absolutely strongly believe that people have done that.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
And my last point, and I think this is a
compliment to somebody in particular. I think this is a
compliment to Kobe Bryant. You say how, I'll tell you how.
Kobe Bryant was the first real person that we saw
that you could legitimately have a conversation. Is he on
par with Jordan Harold Minor Baby, get out of here,
great Hill, He's the next Jordan heck of a player?
Not that Alan Ivers said, no, he's heck of a player.
(12:16):
Not that Kobe Bryant was the first person you started
to go look like him, talk like him, sound like him,
chew gum like him, same size, shoot like him, fade
away like him. Oh shoot, he just won three straight rings,
just like him. And it was the first time we
started to have a conversation of could he be the
next Doort? Could he be as good? Could he be better?
(12:36):
He's even younger because he came straight out of high school.
And immediately we start saying, no, I can't because Jordan
had six. Okay, well, let Kobe keep going. Then he
gets four, then he gets five. Well, he's already lost
a couple of tides, so he can never be drot
and it started that conversation. Then Lebron comes, is he
better than Kobe? No, because Kobe had five, And that's
when it started. Because Kobe was so good to great
(12:56):
that we started the question dang, is he better than mine?
Speaker 8 (12:58):
In it?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And we had to hurry up and rash why he
couldn't be to me?
Speaker 6 (13:02):
I agree that it's a part of the conversation for sure,
but people have gotten lazy rob and make it the end.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I disagree. I disagree. I think it fits people's narrative.
If Lebron was ten and zero in the finals, there's
no way he'd sit here and tell you about rings.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
The reason that Will Chamberlain never really.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Got the credit that he deserves and broke all the records,
and that is because he didn't win enough. That not
that he didn't win, he didn't win enough to dominate
as much as he did. People thought he should have
won more, and that's what helped hurt him. When you're
talking about the greatest, this is not a conversation of
whether somebody's good. Nobody's gonna question whether Charles Barkley was
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a great player or Steve Nash's two MVPs. It's about
the greatest of all the time conversations. So that is
the conversation. I agree what I'm saying. That's the only
time that you take everything into consideration, and you nippick
when you want to crown.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So I think it was.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
No, it's not just but see that's the only thing
that matters, because that's not true.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
No, I'm actually with you on that last part. When
I am talking about the greatest of the great, I have.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
To do that. I want to the greatest of all time.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
But but I don't think that's the overall context of
what was being said here. I think what we're doing
is immediately dismissing Chris Paul as one of the best points.
He didn't win a ring. He didn't and that so
not the greatest. I agree with you on the greatest
count because now I have to nitpick, Okay, well how
many of this or how many that? Because it's we're
talking to the other greatest players. It's not that Chris
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Paul isn't a great player.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But I'm gonna look at I'm serious, I'm gonna discount
Isaiah Thomas for Chris Paul. When Isaiah Thomas won championships,
didn't have another top fifty player.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I mean, like, like, there's more to it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It ain't just that Isaiah one two, Okay, It's a
lot more than that. And that's what's lazy is when
people talk about play it ain't just that.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
But that's what I'm saying about a lot of people
do that now, Rob And that's the culture now and.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
For twenty years, and they started, that's when it started.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
And that is not all it was.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
We never sat there and just because what conversation would
there really be if it's just about if it's just
about wing, what conversation would we have You've done these shows,
and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
They do that because it goes out will he get
more rings? Will he get more rings? Who does he
need to win another ring?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Ring?
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Ring?
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Ring?
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Let me ask you this who? And this is a
genuine like a genuine question. This is at abaiting question.
I'm not trying to set you. I'm really asking your opinion.
Who's who's better? Who would you rather have? Kevin Garnett
or Charles Barkley. There's no wrong. I'm literally just asking,
so this ain't a setup or nothing. Charles Barkley who
didn't win a ring? Do you know how many people
would never say that? I don't because but you know
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what I'm saying, Roger, you feel me. They would say,
never say that because their media default, because they've been training, wired,
They've been trained and wired the last fifteen years ago.
You don't have any rings Garnet? Why because he got
a ring? Dirk or Charles Barkley? Dirk why he wanted
you see a run at ring? No, like man, you
must never saw Charles Barker's.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
And that's where we've gotten.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
What you're doing is you're letting lebron off the hook,
which is if this ring thing was in his favor,
I swear to you he would not be on it
on that talking about the ring that rings don't matter.
This is because he's lost so many, and in a
lot of people's mind, he lost too many.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
He's lost more than he's won.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And if that wasn't the case, and if Lebron was
also six and oher and the all time leading scorer
and whatnot, he would not be trying to discount the rings.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
He only discounts it because it doesn't work for his narrative.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Why would you want that to count when you've lost
six times?
Speaker 6 (16:58):
I think that's where we'll disagree. I think he's saying
it's gonna that becoming the end all b all, not
that it doesn't matter. He's been trying to win him
to the tune of what ten eleven.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
That's why that's why he got a suitcase next to
his basketball. I think it has been.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
It's the we have become blinded and can't contextualize and
have a good conversation.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
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Speaker 2 (17:20):
Do you agree with Lebron's comments about the rings culture
or is he just saying it to fit his own narrative,
which is he doesn't have enough and that's why it
shouldn't be that important.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Cause that's what he wants to do. We'll continue that
conversation next with you.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
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A seven seven ninety nine on Fox taking calls. Basically,
I don't even know how to paraphrase it, but Lebron
says ring culture is kind of killing the game. Rob
says he's only saying it because he hasn't, you know,
won enough rings. He was four and six in the finals.
(18:35):
Right now, I say we lost more rings than he's won.
He's trying to find them. We've gotten lazy, no contextualized
or nuance when we have these conversations.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
What say you as having to.
Speaker 8 (18:45):
Turn my brain off because I'm to have a huge
basketball IQ they want me to do. I'm not gonna
do it because I got so much to give to
the game.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
I ain't gonna lie. Lebron loves them. Lebron Okay, I
ain't never gonna deny that.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Who we got? Andre in Massachusetts. You're on the couple
of Fox Sports. What's right?
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (19:02):
How you doing? Thanks for taking a call. Listen this idea.
You know that you don't have to achieve those highest
levels you know, to achieve you know, winning and carrying
your team and championships, and that's not important in the
all time conversation. Lebron and this team are very ajoyed
at this. To me, it doesn't it doesn't compute. It's
not it doesn't add up. The bottom line is this
(19:23):
when I think about it. Listen, Lebron, he had multiple
opportunities it's not just his finals record. Let's go back
before those, he could have went to the We never
got a chance to see Lebron and Kobe go head
to head. Okay, so the nine team and the ten
team in Cleveland before he left for Miami, those teams
could have broken through and made it to the finals,
so we could have got that marquee matchup. We didn't.
(19:44):
And then of course in twenty eleven they lost to
the Dallas Mavericks. So time and again, Lebron, for all
of this individual greatness, he has blinked in those high
leverage moments and in order to not achieve the level
of winning that he could have. So bottom line, it's
a narrative that he is very into, you know, and
but I think it relates to he's just he doesn't
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feel confident at the end of the day. Yes, in
his resume against Michael Jeordian.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
That's all it is. That, That's that's all it is. Andre,
Thanks for the call. Card. I'm Jay and New Orleans
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You want to squeeze as one more. You want to get
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So we got Antonio Daniels coming up and just a
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Game five last night. Right now, Steve de Sager, what
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What's up man, what's happening? Hell?
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Us sellers, sellers, what's going on?
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What's up?
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Man? We're just you know, we've been talking about a
bunch of different things when it comes to this finals
and some NBAP conversations as well.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Game five.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I do want to say something real quick before we
get there, because we had this sound from I don't
know if you saw this or even talked about yeah
on your show about Lebron and the whole ring culture
or whatever. And let's just play. Let's yeah, let's I
want to did you guys talk about this or not?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
You know?
Speaker 9 (22:12):
No, no, no, I'm not on this week because I'm
I'm at my basketball camp.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Okay, okay, Rob, you can we play without a going
Let's just play it.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I want you to hear this and just your thoughts.
It's funny. I don't know.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
I don't know why I've discussed so much in our
sport and why is the all be all of everything?
You sit here and tell me, you know, Alan Iverson
and Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, you know, you know,
wasn't unbelievable, Like, oh, they can't be talked about or
(22:45):
discussed with these guys. Is because this guy one one
ring or one two rings or one like It's just
it's just weird to me. It's like Sam Peyton Manning
can't be in the same room with Brady or Mahomes
because he only has one ring. They don't never discuss
that in these sports. For telling me that Dan Marino
is not the greatest slinger of all time, or he
can't be in the room with those guys because he
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didn't win a championship, they don't discuss those things.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Here's my issue. It's not just rings. But when you
talk about it's not that you can't talk about Charles
Barkley in his career, or Alan Iverson or any of
the other great players.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
We know Steve Nash won back to back MVP. He's
a great player. But when you have a.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Conversation about somebody being the greatest of all time, winning
does matter. It does factor in because you're going to nitpack,
nitpick someone's career and Antonio.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I'm gonna say this, the only reason why Lebron.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
This is like he's pooh pulling the whole idea is
because he's four and six. If he was ten and
zero and people were saying that he was better than
Michael Jordan because he won ten championships and he didn't
lose and Michael only won six, this would not be
the narrative serves for him because he knows he can't
(24:03):
win that battle when people talk about careers, that's all.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
But I mean, here's the thing. When you just start
talking about greatness, like it comes to a point where
you start from you have to start splitting hairs. Yes,
have to separate you. Something has to separate you. Because
everybody that we talk about, whether it's Allen Iverson or
Charles Burton.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Patrick Ewing, there's a lot of great players who didn't win, yes, Karl.
Speaker 9 (24:30):
Malone, Like, their stats will be there, The stats will
always be there because it's greatness. But what separates them.
There has to be something that separates them. And there's
nothing wrong with that, but that that that's the thing
is Like I think there's all stem from the conversation
(24:54):
about Jonnis. What was said about Jennie right, Well, I.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Did hear that, but here's him loading thing Antonio if
it wasn't a ring thing, and Lebron's talking about grade
and he didn't have to win in order to be great,
like Damn Marino or whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
He didn't have to leave Cleveland. He went chasing rings
in Miami.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
He's the one who put together the super team, right
because he wanted to win.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
He did it. And guess what, I know the way
people followed him.
Speaker 9 (25:22):
People find But the thing is, I feel like he
did it for the same reason Kevin duranday.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Ad I said the same thing. Go ahead, yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
And the thing is like, because people act like that's
the end all be all, like your your career is
not validated unless you do it.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's because this is what it's about, being the greatest time.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
The conversation it is, you said, George, that's not the conversation.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It is.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Ring culture is a conversation and Lebron a d you
were going right where I went. Lebron heard because there's
never what sports debate shows twenty four hours every day.
Back in the day, you had the Sports red Ever
show on a Sunday. Now it's every day with the
advent of social media. You're not great this week, not
wringing this spring. You don't have a ring. You don't
have a ring, you don't have r And he realized,
oh my gosh, even tho I'm winning MVPs, I've been
(26:19):
to the finals and I lost BIRS. If I don't
start winning, they're gonna say I was never great because
of that. Every So he freaked out. KD freaked out.
That's what we created. We're only conversation we lazily had.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Jannis didn't freak out. Yanna stayed in Milwaukee. Where are
you going now? Where are you going?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Nowhere? It's a compound. It's a compound.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
Rob You're right, Jannis didn't freak out. He stay in Milwaukee.
And then you hear what was just saying about him.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, but it's fine. But I'm talking about the man.
Yannis knows what he did and he didn't have to
follow that. I know he didn't have Not about the man.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
No, No, it's not about the man. It's about the perception.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Thank you, No, No.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
But I'm just the perception is what forced this guys
to do lebron.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
No, that's the easy that's the easy way out. And
I'm and you're giving Lebron a past. Lebron could have
stayed in Cleveland, and you would the best when one
or two, say, won two championship, never lost, and and
compiled all those stats.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
He could still be in that conversation as this. He could.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
He's the all time leading score, He's the all time
leading score in the league. He's got all these records
with two and zero three, and you never give There
are people WI have him second and he's lost six times.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
But he's got four.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
No, he's lost six times. Nobody considered greatest last six times.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
Nobody would you have Lebron? Would you have Lebron as
one of the top three players in the history of
his sport? If he had one ring, if.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
He had two rings and all of his numbers, I
would say no.
Speaker 9 (27:52):
I just said, Ron, you just gave him a ring.
I said, if he had a ring.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I said he had ring.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
No, he didn't need to rings because anybody can get
lucky once.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
All right, let's get to the finals. We're running out
of time.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I just I just think that, Look, this is self
serving conversation for Lebron because he's the one who went
after rings and didn't get him.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Y'aby y'all being yelling at him on the sports debate
shows for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
That's what it is, all right.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
NBA Finals Game five ad Game four for me was
the reason why I said, oh, it's a wrap the Thunder.
I already had them winning in five. Obviously that didn't happen.
But to me, they're gonna win it in six now
because the Pacers had a chance to go up three
to one, they were up ten. They literally had a
chance raph to be up three to one, and they
(28:36):
blew it. And I think you can have a team
this good defensively, team is good offensively, and with an
MVP and Jalen Williams who was in this pipping era,
you can't give them this opportunity.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Now, what did you make you feel?
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Me?
Speaker 1 (28:49):
What do you make a Game five?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (28:51):
What you saw there defensively, first from the Thunder and
then specifically Jalen Williams.
Speaker 9 (28:57):
Well, the thing is, we saw from the Thunder what
we expect from the Thunder, and there's a reason that
they were the best defensive team in the league all
year long. I will say this though, and I'll tell
you there are certain benefits. There are certain benefits to
playing in a small market. I think the NBA dropped
the ball on this small market NBA Finals, But I
(29:20):
will say this, can you imagine Can you imagine the
conversation that would be had if Jalen Brunson had a
game like Terreise Tyliburton did, or if Lebron had a
game like Terreise Tylerburton did right, or if SGA had
a game like Therese Talliburton did. He literally just came
up with the opportunity to go up three to two
(29:44):
and he didn't score basket. He didn't score basket like that.
That for me was the big thing. As much as
we can celebrate Jalen Williams because he's completely rewritten the
narrative around him. With Game seven and Denver versus Denver,
the question was if they don't win this game, now
(30:06):
you're gonna start hearing about Kevin Durant rumors a JDub game.
Try to the Phoenix. It's funny how when you change
from series to series, how it gives you an opportunity
to reset the narrative around you. And boy, he has
done it because he is something special.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
What do you do with We've been talking about Tyre's
Halliburton real quick for us. We got like a minute here.
Do you play him? If he's heard? Is it rod things?
You know it's gonna cost a team. You don't play him.
I say, he's gotta go. You know what to fall
and play?
Speaker 9 (30:37):
Yeah, you play them, You play them, no question, Like
this isn't the regular season where it's like the sitt
him out for a week and bring it back next week.
Is the close out game at home? A close out
game at home? No question, You play him, let him
give you what he can and if he can't go,
so be it. But the last thing you can do
(30:58):
is sit that man out in a close out game
at home in Indiana.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
There you have it, Ad, we'll have to wait and
see what the doctor say. We got a couple of
days till game six on Thursday. AD, appreciate you as always.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
Man, for sure, appreciate it. Fellas all right.
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Speaker 13 (32:34):
Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 9 (32:35):
Guys?
Speaker 13 (32:35):
I just wanted to comment on which I were talking
about about Lebron James's comments, and that's the conversation about
the greatest and it was a self serving argument he's
spinning in there and trying to fit it where he
wants it to go, because he's done it basically everywhere
he's he did go chasing lings is what he was
doing in in in Miami. How many did he get
up there in says not one, not Jehospree, whatever it
was that he said, And then how many other things
(32:57):
has he done that's self serving. Let's not forget that
he rugg kid out there that had no business on.
Speaker 10 (33:02):
The floor just so he could be the first guy.
Speaker 13 (33:04):
In the NBA to had his kid out there that
his kid looking like a client. So it was self serving,
That's all I got to say.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
And Jeremy spot on.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Spot On Jeremy, I mean, it is self serving.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
You can't do that. You can't say that.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, the ring culture and you're running around trying to
grab rings.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It's like, I don't think y'all completely missed.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
No, I didn't miss anything. I know exactly what he's doing. Okay,
if he had, if he was tend to know, would
he have this conversation with.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Steve Nest because the conversation we would not listen when
he says the reason he went to Miami, because that's
the reason he went to Miami was because they started
to begin and honesty.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
That's why the hope.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
That was why they started to have the conversation on
the podcast because people were saying, Joannis under it. Think
Steven a no, but that's his opinion, because that's hist in.
If you don't win a bunch of rings, you're nobody.
If he doesn't have a ringything, and that's where the
conversation starts. It from used to if your favorite player
was Patrick Gilli, pat Man was great man.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
David Robbers used to give him.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
But and you would talk about that the last no,
I didn't nobody had arguments about rings. You didn't go
Michael Jordan. He can't be the best because he didn't
have four. Michael Jordan can't be the best because he
didn't have five. No, Michael Jordan can't be the best
because he had him six. Because you just saw Michael
Jordan started to be the best after his start, when
we started to have conversation, he might be the best ever.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Literally we said that after a start.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
We didn't say he has to wait to be Bill Russell,
he has to wait to be Magic has five, wait,
Bird has three.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
We already because what you saw now they.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Russell played in an era where they had eight teams,
and go back to when he played the same teams one.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Ever, which.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Says Magic, Magic had five, Bird had three, Magic lost four,
Kareem had six.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You're talking about what you also when you talk about
the narrative about lebron chasing Michael Jordan, Okay, it's about
that is when the time came exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Okay, nobody will give him credit because he had to win.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
No, but if it's not just that he didn't have
all the other stuff that Michael also has career.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
No, Okay, so it wasn't just that.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
My point to you is it is when you talk
about Michael Jordan, he's bigger than six and oh. He's
ten straight scoring titles, He's the all time leading scorer
in the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
He's much bigger. If you use.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Just six and oh for Michael Jordan, you're doing a
disservice to his credit career. No, but I it's not
just six and oh, it's not that's not Michael Jordan's
It ain't. If you think that's the only reason that
he's that he's a goat, then you don't have it.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
You have no clue in the world.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Think the man was a defensive player of the year
because you're talking about the number rate because like like
like Lebron, that's the what's.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
More than to get you? And it becomes so lazy.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Is why Kevin Durant Lebron can't he ain't this, He
ain't this because he ain't got a ring. Then he
goes and gets a couple of Miami Kevin Durant like
they're never gonna think, I mean, let me go get
and it created this this.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Who guys did it? Two guys? No, No, a bunch
of guys have done it. They won. Who else Paul
George is jumping around? No, he's Paul George.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I'm jumping around, Chris, Chris, Paul Chris, Paul, Kevin Durant.
They jumped from here, jumping the air trying to chase it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
So how many guys? That's the two guys?
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Who else?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Ain't somebody else?
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Because those are name of free agent who went looking
for rings.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Give me two other names. Give me another name, every
single give me another name.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Every single year there's a free agent who twitched teams.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
But they're not on their level.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
The conversation is about guys whom this because.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
They're the only two.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
About rings, or they also have to have other stuff
and they have it. Kevin Durant doesn't have it, but
that's my Lebron doesn't have it, but they gotta have
the other stuff. It ain't just ring James Harden, that
hasn't been happened. Hasn't been happening, Russell Westbrook, hasn't been happening.
These guys if they've.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Been released or a team don't want them to not
hopping to win, no championship?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
What are you going for? The team trying to get
on the tender. They're not. They're going they're going for
the goat. They're trying to be the goat? Is that
what James Harden, You're the.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Only one that keeps having the goat conversation. I think
ring culture has happened period because people have gotten lazy.
Or if you said, man, I think Alan Iverson is
the top. You know he has a ring, the right ring,
A ring ring. Ain't that this is a Michael Jordy.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
The only might the ring conversation is when people are
talking about stacking up and that and nitpicking about someone's
in time.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
That's an intelligent conversation. The only people have this all
the time. That's the only way rings and well, I
don't know what. You're either not listening to or not
watching for twenty d you know what, they never talked
about that.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I don't know what. People know what the shows you're
talking about. People do this all the time.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
People Kevin Durant can't be this, Chris Paul can't be
the we're talking about. Every single debate show has a
conversation and they advert to a ring. It has to
be a ring. I disagree that. We can gladly disagree,
and I think the conversation becomes lazy.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Where anybody you mentioned so you have a ring, It's
just lazy.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Charles Barker, I think he wanted to tops run The
Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon is coming up next.
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Speaker 1 (38:25):
I never hear it, so I never miss it. Did
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Speaker 1 (01:22):
To give out our personal cell phone numbers. Yes, I
mean we might as well do it. That's what you
gotta do.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, So a lot of stuff going on, Rob You
can you talk about this store. I'm not gonna say,
set the table because then you got an issue with me,
especially now Rob Okay, now me, especially now, not you.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's the street. It's the streets, the street protesting and
all that.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Right now, we can't have Rob in a position of
power talking down on Mexicans.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
First of all, I thought it was black and brownie down.
I thought we were united. I know, what did I do?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
You know what real talk? I saw the videos. You
probably saw Kevin and Ron how much news you watch anymore?
But he told me in Compton they had the ice
and the Homeland Security rolled through and the whole community
is like, nah, fam, then you're gonna come through here.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, And they flipped went down different street.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I guess we're gonna go down Fifth Street now.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
It's been happening around the country, rob Gi Like, people
are like, yeah, it's it's a lot going on right now.
And the craziest thing about all this was not this
past Thursday, but the Thursday prior, so we can have
a going at all.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Start.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Everything was normal, like normal just life and then yep,
our you know, federal government was like go ahead and
run those raids and it's just like wait, what like
chaos ensued out the blue?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Just like what anything to say about that? Right? I
think it's horrible.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
I know, I know what I know. I know this
is the hard part about our job. Sometime we can't
go where were you know, I can't go where early
want to go. Yeah, I got thrown a suit in
about twelve hours.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, it's just and I know you guys know you know,
being black American, black men, black male that it's people
think things about you just by looking at you. And
now people are seeing that if you look like me
in southern California, you're probably gonna get stop.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
It's horrible. Yeah, I had a college. It's happened to
my whole life. I'll give you plenty of example.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
I know, man, I had a conversation with a coworker,
you know, a Mexican American, and she just shared something
like I had no idea like you. She seemed off
the last couple of weeks, and she shared some really
really deep stuff and I was like, wow, like what
people are going through that have to continue to smile
and go to work. But you don't know what happened
to their family. You don't know what's going on their own.
You don't know what's going on with their sister in
(03:25):
law and so on and so forth. It's it's crazy
and we're just in a we're in a weird, crazy
time where everything's happening at once.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, Jackie Robinson can't even have a dangel. I don't
even want to go there. Yeah, it's a lot going on.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
All right, Gus, Well bye, Yeah, arets a great segue.
So the NBA Finals are currently going on, and that
means that by this time next week we will have
a new champion. We will have a new member of
the rings club in basketball history. Rings culture, of course,
has been pervasive throughout sports media for about a decade
(04:03):
at least, maybe even longer than that, and Lebron James,
in the latest episode of the Mind the Game podcast
with Steve Nash, was taking some listener questions on the show.
One of them was, Hey, Lebron, you got four rings,
Why don't you tell us your thoughts on rings culture?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Take a listen. It's funny.
Speaker 8 (04:18):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know why I've discussed
so much in our sport and why it's the all
be all of everything. You can sit here and you
tell me, you know, Alan I Everson and Charles Barkley
and Steve Nash, you know, you know, wasn't unbelievable, Like, oh,
they can't be talked about or discussed with these guys.
(04:41):
Is because this guy one one ring or one two
rings or one like it's just it's just weird to me.
It's like Sam Peyton Manning can't be in the same
room with Brady or Mahomes because he only has one ring.
They don't never discuss that in the sport or telling
me that Dann Marino is not the greatest slinger of
all time, or he can't be in the room with
those guys because he didn't win a championship.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
They don't discuss those things.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Once again, if he had enough rings to be considered
the greatest, it would be Okay, this is a typical Lebron.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
He doesn't feel like he's gonna get.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
There and that's gonna be held against him, So now
he's gonna down play the ring. If it wasn't about that, Lebron,
and if Steve Nash had any kind of bus.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay, no, if he had anything, then I would have said.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Lebron, why did you leave Cleveland and go to Miami
chasing rings?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You're the one who did it. You're the one away
who ran away. You're the one who.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Put together a super team so that you could win rings.
You would have wanted, were afraid not to win a
championship as great as you were as a player.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That's right now, he's.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Saying being a winning rings because that's what he wanted
to win. Such a phony. I'm so tired of hearing this.
On one hand, he talking about I don't know, doing
about rings or whatever. He's the one, Calvin that wasn't
(06:11):
somebody imitating him.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
He's the one talking up about seven rings.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
He's the one who left Cleveland's hometown and went to
go chase rings in Miami. He's the one who keeps leaving,
who came to LA to chase rings because he looked
at Michael Jordan. And if you look at Michael Jordan's
career and you think it's just about.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Rings, you got your you're mistaken.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Michael Jordan was a great player, led the league in
score in ten times I could go over and over
the all time leading scorer in the postseason. It was
more than just a six rings. This whole notion. And
if Steve Nash had anything, he could have said, you know,
Lebron Payne did win two championship. Well Payne only got
one hent exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
But my point is is this is.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Total garbage on Lebron's point on part the only reason
if Lebron had eight or ten rings, you think he
would be talking about the number of rings people counting.
Of course he would not. Such a phony. I'm so
tired of hearing guys make an excuse when it doesn't
fit their narrative. He has to be able to talk
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about longevity and all this other stuff to be able
to beget sit a great It's not that you have
to win a ring to be great. Okay, you can
be a great player. I'll sit here and tell you
Charles Barkley was a great player. Steve Nash won two MVPs.
No one's gonna say he won't a great player in
the NBA. But when you talk about the greatest of
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all time, I don't know if anybody who's the greatest
of anything who didn't win at some point in their life.
Dann Marino was a hell of a quarterback. I'm a
city here and tell you he's the best quarterback ever
and he never won. Come on, man, nobody. Many times
I have to bring up Marv Levy.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
He went the four straight Super Bowls of the Code four.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Not one time I've ever heard anybody say Marv Levy's
the greatest coach in NFL history. You know why, because
he didn't win. That's why we keep score, That's why
we hand out trophies. It does matter. Stop trying to
say that winning doesn't matter. It does matter. When you're
talking about putting somebody ahead of everybody and saying they're
the greatest that.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Ever did something, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
I actually, I actually agree with that last statement. I
think when you're talking about the pantheons, right, I gotta
start to nitpick lebron A, Kobe cre I gotta start
bringing those things up. But I want to I'm gonna
reverse it here. So then let me let me reverse
and start from the beginning here, from where you just
ended it. I do believe there was a genesis. I
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do believe there was a point when something kind of changed.
And I think when you just mentioned Lebron leaving, I
think a large part of why he was leaving was
I think Lebron, we knew the talent was there.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
He's MVP's, he's going.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
He went to the finals in seven, but he loses,
and I think all he starts to hear because this, remember,
this modern era is an advent of de bait shows
daily every single day, the advent of social media. This
is a hearing of things, these conversations daily daily, daily, daily, daily,
and we all know Lebron gets in the league, he
becomes the hot topic. Lebron the Cowboys and the Lakers
or Yankees, you know, make sure you watch Rinse repeat
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say that every week, every day, the greatest hits. And
so I think when he starts to hear, oh, he's
not a Kobe, Well he scores more than Kobe, he's
a better passing in code.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well he's not a Kobe because Kobe won. Well he
can't be Jordan because Jordan won.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
And I think what starts to happen with him was was, shoot,
I can be MVPs.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I can be in the finals and lose. I can
be an All Star.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
My team can win fifty five sixty games, but if
I don't win, people are gonna never put me on
this place. So I have to go to find a
winn because Cleveland obviously didn't put anything around him at
that time, so I think he jumps ship and I
think that same thing happened to Kevin Durant. Well, dang,
I'm starting balling out. I'm an All star, second best
player in the league. For all these years, I've been
to the finals, you know, with the back in what
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was it twenty eleven, but twenty twelve, But no one's
gonna say anything about this unless I win. I think
we started to have with these guys were so worried
about if I don't win, and I started to freak
out because I do believe the ring culture started to
be a conversation when we were back in back in
the day. Just somebody who said Will Chamberlain was the
best player in the league ever. Best you know what,
(10:28):
the best player ever was Will Chamberlain.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
He had a ring.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Russell had eleven, but they felt Will Chamberlain was more
Dominiqu's best player in the league. Somebody said, no, Larry
hold on loud, did you talk for quite a bit.
Larry Bird was the best player in the ever to them.
A lot of people, well he had one, then he
had two, then he had three, and for them, that
was what they saw. I remember Larry Reggie Miller being
that guy. He could have been your favorite player and
people would have been like, oh, that's your favite player. Okay, cool,
(10:52):
I know me. Michael Jordan be given to him. But
the end conversation was never always rings. I do think
we've gotten obsessed with rings over the last fteen years.
We've gotten lazy with our contextualizing things. We've gotten lazy
with our analysis, where you go, Shack can't even get
something for chuckle. But let me tell you I got
four rings. You don't have any, And it becomes lazy.
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Who he's got five rings. Who he's got six rings,
Well he's got three rings. He hadn't won a ring.
That's the laziest thing. So I do believe, I agree
that is a massive part of the equation. And if
he's starting it picking if I'm talking about Steph, I'm
talking about Kareem, I'm talking about King, you got to
start having those conversations right the little bit. Okay, he's
better here he has more rings. That's a part of
the equation. But I do believe there are some people
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that close their eyes blindly and go, who he's.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Got more rings? Who he's got more rings?
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Because that's all they've heard from debate shows, that's all
they've heard on social media for the last fifteen to
twenty years. Yawn, it's so boring, and there's no ability
to con sexualize or have a conversation with nuanced conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I absolutely strongly believe that people have done that.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
And my last point, and I think this is a
compliment to somebody in particular. I think this is a
compliment to Kobe Bryant. You say how, I'll tell you how.
Kobe Bryant was the first real person that we saw
that you could legitimately have a conversation. Is he on
par with Jordan Harold Minor Baby, get out of here,
great Hill, He's the next Jordan heck of a player?
Not that Alan Ivers said, no, he's heck of a player.
(12:16):
Not that Kobe Bryant was the first person you started
to go look like him, talk like him, sound like him,
chew gum like him, same size, shoot like him, fade
away like him. Oh shoot, he just won three straight rings,
just like him. And it was the first time we
started to have a conversation of could he be the
next Doort? Could he be as good? Could he be better?
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He's even younger because he came straight out of high school.
And immediately we start saying, no, I can't because Jordan
had six. Okay, well, let Kobe keep going. Then he
gets four, then he gets five. Well, he's already lost
a couple of tides, so he can never be drot
and it started that conversation. Then Lebron comes, is he
better than Kobe? No, because Kobe had five, And that's
when it started. Because Kobe was so good to great
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that we started the question dang, is he better than mine?
Speaker 8 (12:58):
In it?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And we had to hurry up and rash why he
couldn't be to me?
Speaker 6 (13:02):
I agree that it's a part of the conversation for sure,
but people have gotten lazy rob and make it the end.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I disagree. I disagree. I think it fits people's narrative.
If Lebron was ten and zero in the finals, there's
no way he'd sit here and tell you about rings.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
The reason that Will Chamberlain never really.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Got the credit that he deserves and broke all the records,
and that is because he didn't win enough. That not
that he didn't win, he didn't win enough to dominate
as much as he did. People thought he should have
won more, and that's what helped hurt him. When you're
talking about the greatest, this is not a conversation of
whether somebody's good. Nobody's gonna question whether Charles Barkley was
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a great player or Steve Nash's two MVPs. It's about
the greatest of all the time conversations. So that is
the conversation. I agree what I'm saying. That's the only
time that you take everything into consideration, and you nippick
when you want to crown.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So I think it was.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
No, it's not just but see that's the only thing
that matters, because that's not true.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
No, I'm actually with you on that last part. When
I am talking about the greatest of the great, I have.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
To do that. I want to the greatest of all time.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
But but I don't think that's the overall context of
what was being said here. I think what we're doing
is immediately dismissing Chris Paul as one of the best points.
He didn't win a ring. He didn't and that so
not the greatest. I agree with you on the greatest
count because now I have to nitpick, Okay, well how
many of this or how many that? Because it's we're
talking to the other greatest players. It's not that Chris
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Paul isn't a great player.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But I'm gonna look at I'm serious, I'm gonna discount
Isaiah Thomas for Chris Paul. When Isaiah Thomas won championships,
didn't have another top fifty player.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I mean, like, like, there's more to it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It ain't just that Isaiah one two, Okay, It's a
lot more than that. And that's what's lazy is when
people talk about play it ain't just that.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
But that's what I'm saying about a lot of people
do that now, Rob And that's the culture now and.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
For twenty years, and they started, that's when it started.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
And that is not all it was.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
We never sat there and just because what conversation would
there really be if it's just about if it's just
about wing, what conversation would we have You've done these shows,
and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
They do that because it goes out will he get
more rings? Will he get more rings? Who does he
need to win another ring?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Ring?
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Ring?
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Ring?
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Let me ask you this who? And this is a
genuine like a genuine question. This is at abaiting question.
I'm not trying to set you. I'm really asking your opinion.
Who's who's better? Who would you rather have? Kevin Garnett
or Charles Barkley. There's no wrong. I'm literally just asking,
so this ain't a setup or nothing. Charles Barkley who
didn't win a ring? Do you know how many people
would never say that? I don't because but you know
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what I'm saying, Roger, you feel me. They would say,
never say that because their media default, because they've been training, wired,
They've been trained and wired the last fifteen years ago.
You don't have any rings Garnet? Why because he got
a ring? Dirk or Charles Barkley? Dirk why he wanted
you see a run at ring? No, like man, you
must never saw Charles Barker's.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
And that's where we've gotten.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
What you're doing is you're letting lebron off the hook,
which is if this ring thing was in his favor,
I swear to you he would not be on it
on that talking about the ring that rings don't matter.
This is because he's lost so many, and in a
lot of people's mind, he lost too many.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
He's lost more than he's won.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And if that wasn't the case, and if Lebron was
also six and oher and the all time leading scorer
and whatnot, he would not be trying to discount the rings.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
He only discounts it because it doesn't work for his narrative.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Why would you want that to count when you've lost
six times?
Speaker 6 (16:58):
I think that's where we'll disagree. I think he's saying
it's gonna that becoming the end all b all, not
that it doesn't matter. He's been trying to win him
to the tune of what ten eleven.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
That's why that's why he got a suitcase next to
his basketball. I think it has been.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
It's the we have become blinded and can't contextualize and
have a good conversation.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Ring seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Do you agree with Lebron's comments about the rings culture
or is he just saying it to fit his own narrative,
which is he doesn't have enough and that's why it
shouldn't be that important.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Cause that's what he wants to do. We'll continue that
conversation next with you.
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A seven seven ninety nine on Fox taking calls. Basically,
I don't even know how to paraphrase it, but Lebron
says ring culture is kind of killing the game. Rob
says he's only saying it because he hasn't, you know,
won enough rings. He was four and six in the finals.
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Right now, I say we lost more rings than he's won.
He's trying to find them. We've gotten lazy, no contextualized
or nuance when we have these conversations.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
What say you as having to.
Speaker 8 (18:45):
Turn my brain off because I'm to have a huge
basketball IQ they want me to do. I'm not gonna
do it because I got so much to give to
the game.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
I ain't gonna lie. Lebron loves them. Lebron Okay, I
ain't never gonna deny that.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Who we got? Andre in Massachusetts. You're on the couple
of Fox Sports. What's right?
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (19:02):
How you doing? Thanks for taking a call. Listen this idea.
You know that you don't have to achieve those highest
levels you know, to achieve you know, winning and carrying
your team and championships, and that's not important in the
all time conversation. Lebron and this team are very ajoyed
at this. To me, it doesn't it doesn't compute. It's
not it doesn't add up. The bottom line is this
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when I think about it. Listen, Lebron, he had multiple
opportunities it's not just his finals record. Let's go back
before those, he could have went to the We never
got a chance to see Lebron and Kobe go head
to head. Okay, so the nine team and the ten
team in Cleveland before he left for Miami, those teams
could have broken through and made it to the finals,
so we could have got that marquee matchup. We didn't.
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And then of course in twenty eleven they lost to
the Dallas Mavericks. So time and again, Lebron, for all
of this individual greatness, he has blinked in those high
leverage moments and in order to not achieve the level
of winning that he could have. So bottom line, it's
a narrative that he is very into, you know, and
but I think it relates to he's just he doesn't
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feel confident at the end of the day. Yes, in
his resume against Michael Jeordian.
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What's up man, what's happening? Hell?
Speaker 9 (21:44):
Us sellers, sellers, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
What's up?
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Man? We're just you know, we've been talking about a
bunch of different things when it comes to this finals
and some NBAP conversations as well.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Game five.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I do want to say something real quick before we
get there, because we had this sound from I don't
know if you saw this or even talked about yeah
on your show about Lebron and the whole ring culture
or whatever. And let's just play. Let's yeah, let's I
want to did you guys talk about this or not?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
You know?
Speaker 9 (22:12):
No, no, no, I'm not on this week because I'm
I'm at my basketball camp.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Okay, okay, Rob, you can we play without a going
Let's just play it.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I want you to hear this and just your thoughts.
It's funny. I don't know.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
I don't know why I've discussed so much in our
sport and why is the all be all of everything?
You sit here and tell me, you know, Alan Iverson
and Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, you know, you know,
wasn't unbelievable, Like, oh, they can't be talked about or
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discussed with these guys. Is because this guy one one
ring or one two rings or one like It's just
it's just weird to me. It's like Sam Peyton Manning
can't be in the same room with Brady or Mahomes
because he only has one ring. They don't never discuss
that in these sports. For telling me that Dan Marino
is not the greatest slinger of all time, or he
can't be in the room with those guys because he
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didn't win a championship, they don't discuss those things.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Here's my issue. It's not just rings. But when you
talk about it's not that you can't talk about Charles
Barkley in his career, or Alan Iverson or any of
the other great players.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
We know Steve Nash won back to back MVP. He's
a great player. But when you have a.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Conversation about somebody being the greatest of all time, winning
does matter. It does factor in because you're going to nitpack,
nitpick someone's career and Antonio.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I'm gonna say this, the only reason why Lebron.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
This is like he's pooh pulling the whole idea is
because he's four and six. If he was ten and
zero and people were saying that he was better than
Michael Jordan because he won ten championships and he didn't
lose and Michael only won six, this would not be
the narrative serves for him because he knows he can't
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win that battle when people talk about careers, that's all.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
But I mean, here's the thing. When you just start
talking about greatness, like it comes to a point where
you start from you have to start splitting hairs. Yes,
have to separate you. Something has to separate you. Because
everybody that we talk about, whether it's Allen Iverson or
Charles Burton.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Patrick Ewing, there's a lot of great players who didn't win, yes, Karl.
Speaker 9 (24:30):
Malone, Like, their stats will be there, The stats will
always be there because it's greatness. But what separates them.
There has to be something that separates them. And there's
nothing wrong with that, but that that that's the thing
is Like I think there's all stem from the conversation
(24:54):
about Jonnis. What was said about Jennie right, Well, I.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Did hear that, but here's him loading thing Antonio if
it wasn't a ring thing, and Lebron's talking about grade
and he didn't have to win in order to be great,
like Damn Marino or whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
He didn't have to leave Cleveland. He went chasing rings
in Miami.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
He's the one who put together the super team, right
because he wanted to win.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
He did it. And guess what, I know the way
people followed him.
Speaker 9 (25:22):
People find But the thing is, I feel like he
did it for the same reason Kevin duranday.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Ad I said the same thing. Go ahead, yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
And the thing is like, because people act like that's
the end all be all, like your your career is
not validated unless you do it.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's because this is what it's about, being the greatest time.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
The conversation it is, you said, George, that's not the conversation.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It is.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Ring culture is a conversation and Lebron a d you
were going right where I went. Lebron heard because there's
never what sports debate shows twenty four hours every day.
Back in the day, you had the Sports red Ever
show on a Sunday. Now it's every day with the
advent of social media. You're not great this week, not
wringing this spring. You don't have a ring. You don't
have a ring, you don't have r And he realized,
oh my gosh, even tho I'm winning MVPs, I've been
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to the finals and I lost BIRS. If I don't
start winning, they're gonna say I was never great because
of that. Every So he freaked out. KD freaked out.
That's what we created. We're only conversation we lazily had.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Jannis didn't freak out. Yanna stayed in Milwaukee. Where are
you going now? Where are you going?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Nowhere? It's a compound. It's a compound.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
Rob You're right, Jannis didn't freak out. He stay in Milwaukee.
And then you hear what was just saying about him.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, but it's fine. But I'm talking about the man.
Yannis knows what he did and he didn't have to
follow that. I know he didn't have Not about the man.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
No, No, it's not about the man. It's about the perception.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Thank you, No, No.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
But I'm just the perception is what forced this guys
to do lebron.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
No, that's the easy that's the easy way out. And
I'm and you're giving Lebron a past. Lebron could have
stayed in Cleveland, and you would the best when one
or two, say, won two championship, never lost, and and
compiled all those stats.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
He could still be in that conversation as this. He could.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
He's the all time leading score, He's the all time
leading score in the league. He's got all these records
with two and zero three, and you never give There
are people WI have him second and he's lost six times.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
But he's got four.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
No, he's lost six times. Nobody considered greatest last six times.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
Nobody would you have Lebron? Would you have Lebron as
one of the top three players in the history of
his sport? If he had one ring, if.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
He had two rings and all of his numbers, I
would say no.
Speaker 9 (27:52):
I just said, Ron, you just gave him a ring.
I said, if he had a ring.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I said he had ring.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
No, he didn't need to rings because anybody can get
lucky once.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
All right, let's get to the finals. We're running out
of time.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I just I just think that, Look, this is self
serving conversation for Lebron because he's the one who went
after rings and didn't get him.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Y'aby y'all being yelling at him on the sports debate
shows for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
That's what it is, all right.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
NBA Finals Game five ad Game four for me was
the reason why I said, oh, it's a wrap the Thunder.
I already had them winning in five. Obviously that didn't happen.
But to me, they're gonna win it in six now
because the Pacers had a chance to go up three
to one, they were up ten. They literally had a
chance raph to be up three to one, and they
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blew it. And I think you can have a team
this good defensively, team is good offensively, and with an
MVP and Jalen Williams who was in this pipping era,
you can't give them this opportunity.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Now, what did you make you feel?
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Me?
Speaker 1 (28:49):
What do you make a Game five?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (28:51):
What you saw there defensively, first from the Thunder and
then specifically Jalen Williams.
Speaker 9 (28:57):
Well, the thing is, we saw from the Thunder what
we expect from the Thunder, and there's a reason that
they were the best defensive team in the league all
year long. I will say this though, and I'll tell
you there are certain benefits. There are certain benefits to
playing in a small market. I think the NBA dropped
the ball on this small market NBA Finals, But I
(29:20):
will say this, can you imagine Can you imagine the
conversation that would be had if Jalen Brunson had a
game like Terreise Tyliburton did, or if Lebron had a
game like Terreise Tylerburton did right, or if SGA had
a game like Therese Talliburton did. He literally just came
up with the opportunity to go up three to two
(29:44):
and he didn't score basket. He didn't score basket like that.
That for me was the big thing. As much as
we can celebrate Jalen Williams because he's completely rewritten the
narrative around him. With Game seven and Denver versus Denver,
the question was if they don't win this game, now
(30:06):
you're gonna start hearing about Kevin Durant rumors a JDub game.
Try to the Phoenix. It's funny how when you change
from series to series, how it gives you an opportunity
to reset the narrative around you. And boy, he has
done it because he is something special.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
What do you do with We've been talking about Tyre's
Halliburton real quick for us. We got like a minute here.
Do you play him? If he's heard? Is it rod things?
You know it's gonna cost a team. You don't play him.
I say, he's gotta go. You know what to fall
and play?
Speaker 9 (30:37):
Yeah, you play them, You play them, no question, Like
this isn't the regular season where it's like the sitt
him out for a week and bring it back next week.
Is the close out game at home? A close out
game at home? No question, You play him, let him
give you what he can and if he can't go,
so be it. But the last thing you can do
(30:58):
is sit that man out in a close out game
at home in Indiana.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
There you have it, Ad, we'll have to wait and
see what the doctor say. We got a couple of
days till game six on Thursday. AD, appreciate you as always.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
Man, for sure, appreciate it. Fellas all right.
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Jeremy in Nashville. You're the comic Fox Sports Radio. You
are Jeremy the last call. What's happening?
Speaker 13 (32:34):
Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 9 (32:35):
Guys?
Speaker 13 (32:35):
I just wanted to comment on which I were talking
about about Lebron James's comments, and that's the conversation about
the greatest and it was a self serving argument he's
spinning in there and trying to fit it where he
wants it to go, because he's done it basically everywhere
he's he did go chasing lings is what he was
doing in in in Miami. How many did he get
up there in says not one, not Jehospree, whatever it
was that he said, And then how many other things
(32:57):
has he done that's self serving. Let's not forget that
he rugg kid out there that had no business on.
Speaker 10 (33:02):
The floor just so he could be the first guy.
Speaker 13 (33:04):
In the NBA to had his kid out there that
his kid looking like a client. So it was self serving,
That's all I got to say.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
And Jeremy spot on.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Spot On Jeremy, I mean, it is self serving.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
You can't do that. You can't say that.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, the ring culture and you're running around trying to
grab rings.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It's like, I don't think y'all completely missed.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
No, I didn't miss anything. I know exactly what he's doing. Okay,
if he had, if he was tend to know, would
he have this conversation with.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Steve Nest because the conversation we would not listen when
he says the reason he went to Miami, because that's
the reason he went to Miami was because they started
to begin and honesty.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
That's why the hope.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
That was why they started to have the conversation on
the podcast because people were saying, Joannis under it. Think
Steven a no, but that's his opinion, because that's hist in.
If you don't win a bunch of rings, you're nobody.
If he doesn't have a ringything, and that's where the
conversation starts. It from used to if your favorite player
was Patrick Gilli, pat Man was great man.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
David Robbers used to give him.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
But and you would talk about that the last no,
I didn't nobody had arguments about rings. You didn't go
Michael Jordan. He can't be the best because he didn't
have four. Michael Jordan can't be the best because he
didn't have five. No, Michael Jordan can't be the best
because he had him six. Because you just saw Michael
Jordan started to be the best after his start, when
we started to have conversation, he might be the best ever.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Literally we said that after a start.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
We didn't say he has to wait to be Bill Russell,
he has to wait to be Magic has five, wait,
Bird has three.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
We already because what you saw now they.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Russell played in an era where they had eight teams,
and go back to when he played the same teams one.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Ever, which.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Says Magic, Magic had five, Bird had three, Magic lost four,
Kareem had six.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You're talking about what you also when you talk about
the narrative about lebron chasing Michael Jordan, Okay, it's about
that is when the time came exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Okay, nobody will give him credit because he had to win.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
No, but if it's not just that he didn't have
all the other stuff that Michael also has career.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
No, Okay, so it wasn't just that.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
My point to you is it is when you talk
about Michael Jordan, he's bigger than six and oh. He's
ten straight scoring titles, He's the all time leading scorer
in the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
He's much bigger. If you use.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Just six and oh for Michael Jordan, you're doing a
disservice to his credit career. No, but I it's not
just six and oh, it's not that's not Michael Jordan's
It ain't. If you think that's the only reason that
he's that he's a goat, then you don't have it.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
You have no clue in the world.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Think the man was a defensive player of the year
because you're talking about the number rate because like like
like Lebron, that's the what's.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
More than to get you? And it becomes so lazy.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Is why Kevin Durant Lebron can't he ain't this, He
ain't this because he ain't got a ring. Then he
goes and gets a couple of Miami Kevin Durant like
they're never gonna think, I mean, let me go get
and it created this this.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Who guys did it? Two guys? No, No, a bunch
of guys have done it. They won. Who else Paul
George is jumping around? No, he's Paul George.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I'm jumping around, Chris, Chris, Paul Chris, Paul, Kevin Durant.
They jumped from here, jumping the air trying to chase it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
So how many guys? That's the two guys?
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Who else?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Ain't somebody else?
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Because those are name of free agent who went looking
for rings.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Give me two other names. Give me another name, every
single give me another name.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Every single year there's a free agent who twitched teams.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
But they're not on their level.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
The conversation is about guys whom this because.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
They're the only two.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
About rings, or they also have to have other stuff
and they have it. Kevin Durant doesn't have it, but
that's my Lebron doesn't have it, but they gotta have
the other stuff. It ain't just ring James Harden, that
hasn't been happened. Hasn't been happening, Russell Westbrook, hasn't been happening.
These guys if they've.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Been released or a team don't want them to not
hopping to win, no championship?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
What are you going for? The team trying to get
on the tender. They're not. They're going they're going for
the goat. They're trying to be the goat? Is that
what James Harden, You're the.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Only one that keeps having the goat conversation. I think
ring culture has happened period because people have gotten lazy.
Or if you said, man, I think Alan Iverson is
the top. You know he has a ring, the right ring,
A ring ring. Ain't that this is a Michael Jordy.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
The only might the ring conversation is when people are
talking about stacking up and that and nitpicking about someone's
in time.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
That's an intelligent conversation. The only people have this all
the time. That's the only way rings and well, I
don't know what. You're either not listening to or not
watching for twenty d you know what, they never talked
about that.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I don't know what. People know what the shows you're
talking about. People do this all the time.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
People Kevin Durant can't be this, Chris Paul can't be
the we're talking about. Every single debate show has a
conversation and they advert to a ring. It has to
be a ring. I disagree that. We can gladly disagree,
and I think the conversation becomes lazy.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Where anybody you mentioned so you have a ring, It's
just lazy.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Charles Barker, I think he wanted to tops run The
Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon is coming up next.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
I never miss your radio show.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I never hear it, so I never miss it. Did
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