June 23, 2025 • 38 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin debate whether the Oklahoma City Thunder’s championship window is really as wide open as people think, and tell us why they have a big problem with folks who are using revisionist history to justify why they believe Tyrese Haliburton shouldn’t have played in Game 7. Plus, Locked on Suns podcast host Benjamin Garcia swings by to discuss what’s never for the Phoenix Suns after trading Kevin Durant, whether Devin Booker is really a ‘Sun for Life’, why the team plans to keep Jalen Green on their roster moving forward, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:33):
This you just heard Kelvin Washington, Martin Weiss in the
building for Rob Parker. Rob is on VK. So get
used to that for a little bit. We're gonna have
a great week.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
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Speaker 4 (00:42):
Right back tomorrow, right, yes, sir, right be here tomorrow
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On the way.
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host of the Lockdow On Suns podcast. That's because Kevin
Durant obviously now getting ready to be at Rocky whenever
that is finalized. So we got to talk about that trading.
And around six thirty West, you got to nine thirty
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of course eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox is
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FSR and then myself K dub Live, which I need
to check in on Twitter X. I should say I
couldn't get to the end in Kelvin Washington because that
(01:31):
was the last letter of the maximum, So I got
all the way to Kelvin, washingt Toe, I couldn't get
the end, so I went kter. That's how it all started,
because obviously Twitter was before Instagram, and then I wanted
to keep it the same across the board. I need
to go back and see if I can get that
in now. Obviously I wouldn't just because it's the pointless
at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well first to be like that.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
I'm not saying it's pointless at this point. But you
have a unique cool name. I have the same name everywhere.
I can't. I don't have like a cool like. Everybody
knows who you are. When you type the thing in,
it says your name right there. So instead of it
saying Kelvin Washington and Kelvin Washington like says Martin Wis.
Martin Wie is like, oh, dull, you know you at
least have something that is also catchy. But you've been
(02:11):
doing it long enough where it's like now not quite professional.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
But I mean I know what you mean. I know
what you mean. Flown out.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
We started, you know, back in the Just Music radio day. Well,
first of all, went back to high school to nickname.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
That's what you know.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Shout to my boys who hair, who gave it to
me one day, walked up on me, was like, what up?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Kicked up?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
And I was looking around like I literally looked back
like who is he talking about?
Speaker 6 (02:32):
You?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Fool?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I'm like, hell, ke dude, and it's been sticking ever since.
But shots your hair for that Ketle lied for myself.
My high school name doesn't stick no more. I can't
see nickname. It doesn't fly. We would is it the
dump it?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Really? Yeah? FCC is not letting that go now. I
got to hear it off air. Text me something. I
want to hear what it is now, Robby, you have
a nickname other than rob G.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Literally nobody calls me robb G other than here. And
the only reason that happened is because the iHeart email
thing whatever they do your first name, dot, middle no,
and then your first letter of your last name. So
it should have been Robert G at whatever. There was
already one of those in there, so they made it
Rob G. And then Chris and Rob would get my
(03:15):
emails and they're like, oh, I'm gonna call you rob
G from now on because that's how we show up
as I just don't.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Know who was first though, Danny G or Robb G was.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Definitely definitely Danny G's a stage name.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But how did he feel? Oh, Rob G? Not bad?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I didnt Pickett, you have a nickname name? No, so
everybody just calls you Robert or Rob at home or
Bobby Bobby. All right, Alex, you got a family nickname
at all?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
This is where we get into the dark times of this.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I'm sorry not to cut an alix, but like where
people used to have real nickname, now.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
We just have s G A yeah, no anyway, Well,
I mean it's because everything's like simplified. Now, why did
you just do that? You know, Alex is about displaying
the key to life to us right now. Yeah, it's
just a lot of open the door. We've dumbed ourselves down.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
So I asked Muggsy Bogues about this. If anybody to
ask Bogues would be the one, right, Tyrone Bogues, Right, Tyrone,
And you know what I think it is the death
of journalists. Newspaper writers were giving magic athletes got his name,
That's what it was. And now that we all have
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bloggers and podcasters, we get initials.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So there we go.
Speaker 7 (04:23):
I think we have got a shock anymore to give
everyone nicknames or to give.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Flash, to call him the truth.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
He digged about four five Big Aristotle, the big Diesel.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
The big Fundamental, lokey Jack, the big do you get
the big ticket from check?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
No?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I think that was what what Mark was saying. I
think that was a I think local.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
Toby gave his nickname. Lebron gave his nickname.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Wait little saying Lebron's is the chosen one? Was the
King James because it's King James. I don't think he
gave himself. I think the again a sports writer. It
was the sitting There was an obvious one, like how
is that an obvious one? Lebron James, He's the King
King j That was that was a given. I can
see that who was calling a twelve year old King James.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
First of all, he was twenty six when he was
Google Bible with the letter K next to it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You'll find that there's.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
There was nobody saying, hey man, that twelve year old
kid up there at Saint Vincent's Junior High Middle's revisions
History games deliverers.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
There was one person at least, and he's on ESPN
every day. Probably he did not call him King Games.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
But I'm saying, but there was. That's not a crazy stretch.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
Who's nicknaming twelve year olds?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Did you see?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
The man has not on that Sports Illustrated So he
was like forty sixteen.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
The guy who was Greg and Saint Louis covered tweeted
a picture out of Page Becker's.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
When she was a left that It says Diana to Rozzi,
look look out.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
I don't know if I would be proud of that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
She was right.
Speaker 7 (05:45):
I was just not quite as weird as Rob saying,
hey yeah, Bens went Aaron.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
By the way, it's great, I was kind level.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
That was not a way for that. Mark your fiance.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
Yes, don't let Rob around her.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Has he been around her? Yeah? Oh he's for sure.
Screen shot.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
Yeah, he's I'm for sure following you.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
He got my wife. Rob treats everyway like Disneyland. I
need a picture for your entrance. I've been I've done that. Yeah,
we've had that moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I
think I saw my wife one day.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
He was slip let me, I want to show you
this picture for me in nineteen eighty nine. Wait, that
wasn't eighty nine. My wife wouldn't but a few. That
was two weeks ago. Round Oh man, it was you
ever screenshot at something? That's how That's how it started.
He told me that I deleted it, though I don't
believe it. All right, Barton, let me tell you. Let
me throw something that we had had a conversation about it.
Not of it solidified because me and Rob disagreed. He
obviously had the pick pacers and six. I had thunder
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in five they won, but it was in seven and
I started look at this team how they're comprised it.
I'm like, man, this team has the making and credit
against Sam Presti for the way they comprised it with
some draft picks that weren't that high. Some guys who
just understand their role and they play hard and then
you obviously have to have a guy, right, You're not
gonna win anything you don't have a guy. SGA is
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their guy MVP candidate the last few years, obviously won
it this year. And j Dubb looks like he might
be the Scottie Pippin if you will for this team.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Now that's a bold statement. We gotta wait and see.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
But he has the makings of a great, uh good
to great second player. But I'm looking at this team.
When you show me that you're defensive minded, that's a
massive green flag.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
If you will.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
When you have a guy who can just put up
thirty boringly in his sleep, that's a great So.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
That's what happens when you watched his postgame interviews, well,
doing any of their post game in all of them,
all of them. And I know this affects me disproportionately
because of the days you have. So I actually you
have to hear twenty minutes of I'm sorry to hear that.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
That sounds like a punishment. Man, tell us the security
coache I ain't never gonna tell you. Put on the
OKC postgame press conference, I'll.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Tell you everything you want to know. I'm snitching. I'll
be snitching on everybody.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
If you think, put the headphones on and make him
listen to OKAC press conference and I'll tell you everything.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
But I think this team is is gonna go on
the minimal.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
The minimum to me is a Boston the j run
Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum where with five six years Eastern
Conference we went to a finals, we won one, we
lost one, but had a run where they're like always
in the mix and again walked away to the championship Saints
for injury. We don't know what would happen and never
see the Knicks were up even with Jason Tatum. So
I want to make sure I give the next credit.
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But to me, that's the minimum run. Where we're in
Western Conference finals, we get to a finals or two
or three, we win one or two.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
That's the minimal run.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
To me that I expect this team to be on
to win at least one more now that they won
yet since yesterday, I expect one more title and for
them to be at least competing for a handful of years.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think they're built well.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
When I see two wings like that who are defensive
minded but can also score, you got checks who's only
going to get better, and again you got the perfect
pieces around them, and again the Sam Prescy, who's been
masterful throughout his tenure. I expect them to win one
more minimally and to be in that mix off the
next we'll call it half a decade five years of so.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
So I would say the j run is one that
I don't think I hear the way you're contextualizing it
right now, But I don't think in the moment anybody
was thinking that they're on a run, right, because they
weren't winning championships, and they to the point they would
even bump out of the finals or not make the finals, right,
(09:21):
not win the West or East. I think that's the
most likely outcome that this team competes for.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
A while is up there. But like the idea.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
I heard Tim McMahon saying it on the On the
Hoop Collective podcast, asking him on Shumpard after the game
over under two and a half championships for this team
going forward, and Shumpert said absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I'm taking the under and McMahon was surprised.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I think that is a layup to take the under
two and under two and a half when you look
at just throw the random natures of injury aside, because
had it been SGA's achilles out of Tyres Halliburton's achilles,
I don't think we have this conversation in the slightest
and that could happen or for any player on any play.
(10:05):
So take that and just put that to the side,
because I obviously we hate to watch that.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
But also the realities of the NBA are this.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Only one of those guys has been paid at any
level of substance.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
What happens to the whole And.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Again I know, I'm I'm the one America that has
listened to all of this postseason, all these press conferences
where all they talk about Kelvin is how much they
like each other and how much they spend so much
time together, and how lou Dort is SGA's roommate.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
SGA, mind you, who is married with has a child
and a and a whateppened woman right.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
Right, I don't know what it is, but she's taking
a final trophy picture with him, so I'm clearly he's
claiming the republic, right, So they got it all right,
So all of that so so, and lou Dort apparently
lives there or something.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Jalen Williams picks them up to go to the airport, right, So.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
What happens then? What happens then when Jalen Williams, here's
all this to other people keep talking about how they
call him Scotty freaking Pipping, which, by the way, is insanity.
I'm not going for it, but y'all keep saying it,
so he's gonna hear it. And he goes up into
San Praci's office says, you know, no, Scotty Pippen need
(11:19):
the full max. I'm the one that went for forty
in a finals game. Yep, your MVP didn't do that.
And I'm just what happens when Chad Holmgren says, you've
got two guys already ball dominant. I'm the one that
blocked five shots in the game seven of the finals.
(11:42):
It sealed the backside of this defense. I'm the one
that's not repeatable on this.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I'm gonna need the full max. Here.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
What happens when one of these guys when Cason Wallace,
who was a high recruit Kentucky starter. And I'm not
saying that any one of these individual guys has any
of this end them because they.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
All across the board have been all about the power
of friendship.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
But I'm saying this when that bag comes calling money changes, folks,
Chet says, wait a minute, I had five blocks in
the game seven of the finals. What do you mean
I've only played one hundred and ten games. You need
to see more out of me. I'm a you know
like that that all of those things will come into play,
and when you have this team that is so tight
(12:25):
knit and is so like there's not been one single
person who's talked about a business reality in Oklahoma City
for the last two and a half years because.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
None of them have had to pay any money.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Like the business reality that they were going through is
we're building up these young players, They're about to get
to the business reality if we're not gonna be able
to keep them.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
All, which is what here's my take or my thoughts
to what you're saying. So prior to the last little
run we're on with these separate different individual champions, I
would agree with you. If all of a sudden, we
were dealing with a Warriors team that was Kevin Durant
Klay stepped that whole name like dude for about a
four year run, we all went all right, who's you
got to come out to the East, Lebron, and whether
(13:03):
it be Lebron Kyrie there Lebron and whom Matthew Devildubba
just Lebron put Lebron in the Eastern Conference finals or
the representative of the East in the finals.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And then who got in the West?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Okay, give me the Warriors like that was what we
had and the reason why I see this when you
look at this West, especially if we get to the
East too. That's conversation for later on in the week.
There are no bohemos, which to me right now why
they can be in the winning season. I get what
you're saying. Eventually, dud is why I want to get
paid and want to get paid more. That can come soon,
but right now, to me, this is when the iron
(13:35):
is hot and you can strike if you are the thunder. Also,
we have seen before and it's not quite apples apples,
but when we saw Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh and Lebron
all better players, you know, relatively. Maybe SGA because he's
an MVP, could say, how I'm up there with them,
but better players?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Stop it, No, no, no, no, They're all better players,
and that's it. Best.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
You could have a say, but they're all better players,
is my point. They are all leaders of their individual teams, right,
the Calves, the Heat and then the Raptors, and they
all got together. Now the money was way different than
because it's fifteen million, but we know where that would
be now. But they all took haircuts to say, man,
let's come together, let's see what we can do for
a four year run and see if we can get
something done. These dudes are coming in incredibly young, Martin,
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and if they say let's just go on another you know,
three year, you sign this, You sign this, because then
we're gonna be twenty six, seven, eight. We got the
rest of our lives to make crazy stupid money. Let's
just go on another two, three to five year run
and see if we can go how many we can
win together, and then at that point you can be
twenty eight year check.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Like that's my thing, because that's my point, you said,
and I cut you off, and I wasn't trying to.
But it's because like we have the Scottie Pip and
Jaylen Williams conversation, oh, the SGA, Michael Jordan, Dwayne Wade.
It's like those guys like the guys that we're talking about,
Dwayne Wadechris Bosh, Lebron James are And I know the
Pro Basketball Hall of Fame, everybody gets in there, but
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they are top of the line for their class Pro
Basketball Hall of Famers. If there was an NBA Hall
of Fame, they would not be the ones that were
left off of the list, right And when you talk
about these other teams, you're talking about some of the
best players in NBA history. Chet Holmgren has played one
hundred and fourteen NBA regular season games. And these guys
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are in year three, you're gonna play And I get
it that you want to pay them because they're homegrown
or town.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
But you know what, though, like so was Michael Porter junior,
and when they offered them that big deal and the
CBA switched up on everything, but they wish they hadn't
They wish they had right now. And you don't have
to put a lot of detector on people in Denver
to find that out right, And so partly though, is
because they won.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Chet Holmgren was horrible in this NBA Finals, horrendous and
you could make.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
The argument that he you should have played Hartenstein that.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Much more there, You're that argument not coming around during
contract negotiations from from his side of things. You know,
Jayla Wims of minus forty in one of these games,
it's like, are you sure that you got you? You
better be sure? I should say it like that, you
better be sure?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And that is what we're gonna have to wait and
find out. And you tell me you with Martin on
this is not necessarily feasible with me that they could
go on a nice at minimum. Boston Celtics with Jalen
Brown and Jason Tata Run eight seven, seven ninety nine
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Speaker 3 (16:36):
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Speaker 6 (16:48):
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Usually in these promos they asked you to listen to
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Speaker 2 (17:14):
He's still moving. That's gonna be the thing, right there.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Well, we have Fox Sports Radio two and Alex you
can't wait for this, this you bring it up.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You have no idea.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Well, we have the conversation we have off the air
that we all might lose our job on the air
if we had. But somehow, maybe because I don't know,
maybe it's online and so it doesn't count.
Speaker 9 (17:35):
I kept saying, I want to sell the idea behind
the glass and it's conversations you can have on air.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well, first of all, she kept it to yourself. I
don't mind.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
No, you know that is a conversation you could have
on the air, the conversation about the off the air conversation.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Yeah, I just want you to trademark that. That's all
Man I'm trying to get you some bread, you know
what I mean. I live for questions like that though. Yeah,
but those are those are the best we can. We
can't have that one over the air, right, that's the
little it's a little risky.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Wit till Rob's back.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Yeah, well, well John, that'll definitely make it two risky easy, yeah,
because he would ask where is he doing that thing
at all?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Off of what and then we'd all be on LinkedIn
looking for new jobs and he probably wouldn't need one.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Our couple Kelvin Washington, Martin Weiss and for Rob or
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Speaker 2 (19:00):
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And now let me ask you this we were talking
about before the break there. I believe they're gonna go
(19:33):
to a nice run again. I'm not saying they're gonna
three peat or anything like that, but I think they'll
go on a very Celtics like get to another finals
or to win one more.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I do think they're gonna win one more. Uh. This
iteration of.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Them uh if with other teams out there, is there
someone you look at that's in their way?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
If you I watched Luca Dodgers get to the finals
with PJ. Washington, Daniel Gafford and Derks, Like I think
think that the Lakers run after getting a stretch will
give this team trouble. Like I could I could see
them giving this team trouble when we talk about Stott
like the I think I'll put it like this, Any
team I think that can execute effectively in a half
(20:14):
court system is going to give them more trouble than
teams like even like Indiana did. Indiana was key because
they didn't turn the ball over a lot. That's why
they were able to If they can execute in a
half court which limits turnovers, that's how this team is.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Is what makes okay, see that is their elite skill.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
To me, they will steal the ball from you five
times in a row and it like it is.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
That's what to me makes them that elite.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
So like like a Denver like signon with a guy
like Joki's running your offense, you know probably's not gonna
turn the ball over a ton. I think they would
give them some trouble. Okay, see you'll have the deepest roster.
But again, you can only play five guys at a time.
They have they have their built for that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
And by the way, you you play sports out you
play basketball right in high seat, high school, that matter.
You play everything you were taught defensively, don't reach you know,
don't don't try to know. We don't need to getting
in foul, trouble or go for the steal. Don't go
for stick. If you go for the steal, you better
get it. They just go for everything. I mean, it's
actually mine by me and Rob will be sitting here,
you know, during some of the games throughout the postseason,
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and I'm like, man, they are.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
They go for everything.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
They go for all steals, diving on the floor, things
that you kind of thought were keep you man in
front of you, they'll try to reach behind. And it's
just that it is amazing to see when you watch
them defensively and you're to your point, they turn those
into points off turnovers in a hurry.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So that is what makes them really good. All right,
we got on the way.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Benjamin Garcia on the other side of us trending Steve
the Seger.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
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Speaker 4 (21:50):
All Right, Steve, thank you so much, Odd Couple, Kevin Washington,
Martin Wise and for Rob or the Magic City Monday,
and we are joined now by Benjamin Garcia, host of
the Ben Garcia Showing YouTube, host of the Locked Own
Suns podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Been what's going on? How you doing?
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Thanks for having me, not a problem.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
All right, You got Martin and I here been talking
a little bit about this trade that eventually, at some
point will be finalized. Uh, just start with the beginning
of this. How shocked were you as particular the team
was the Rockets, maybe the when it happened. Obviously they
couldn't get a deal earlier during the season. Just your
initial thoughts of when this happened.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Well, they couldn't get a deal done the middle of
the season because Kevin Durant said that that's not happening.
You know, I've heard before that. You know, Kevin Durant
was very very close to being traded to the Golden
State Orders, but eventually he's the one that backed out.
On that deal. So yeah, ultimately thought that he's gone. No, No,
I'm shocked the value that they got back because you
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talk about Jalen Green, a guy that it was. It's
the same problem that they had with Kevin Durant, Devin
Booker and Bradley deal was too much redundancy if each
guy did a lot of a lot of the same things,
but one guy event in the other one and Bradley
bial was a distant third to those two. And now
you talk about Jalen Green, You're bringing in someone who
maybe at his best in seven Booker, but right now
(23:09):
I would probably port to maybe even a poor man's
Bradley Biala when at Bradley Beal's peak. So it's the
value for Kevin Duranty, it feels like you have to
get more. But ultimately no, man not surprised that this
deal finally went down. I'm a little surprised that it
happened on Sunday and it didn't go further down the
(23:30):
pike maybe Tuesday or Wednesday. But overall the value not great.
But shocked. No, this divorce was was It feels like
months in the making, maybe years.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
So I know Ben ben Garcia joining us here on
the odd couple Martin Wise here, I know that you
are cover this from the Arizona side of things and
are looking at it primarily through that lens. And I
know that there were at least I believe I saw
a statement that like they're planning on keeping Jalen Green, right,
But this is it. The whole points you get those
(24:01):
five second round picks in this deal is to try
to package some of this together some uh to your.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Point, all of those guys you got there, can.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
I give you two second round picks and ex player
to get a first round or please because we need
a draft pick in the worst way.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Are you saying in terms of trying to package Jalen
Green getting more, getting more draft capital or potentially someone
else in the deal?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Well, I'm saying, like you, you just kind of alluded
to it.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
You got the same player just a little bit worse
eight of times between Devin Booker, Jalen Green, Bradley Beal
and then even the Dune kid who I know that
they like. But they all are competing for the same
minutes that throw Brooks in there too. That's why you
get to these second round picks. This can't be the roster.
We're gonna see night one in Phoenix.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
You know, you say it, you say it can't be.
And I worry that it might be the case because
if the Suns didn't want Jalen Green and the report
and reporting, and I've hearked back all the way in
February that the Sun's word not interested in Jalen Green,
and now it comes out, Oh no, they really like
to fit. They're interested in Jalen Green. Everything's going to
be great here in Phoenix. I don't think that's the case.
(25:09):
I think the Sun's already tried to reroute Jalen Green
a bunch of other places, and everyone else said, we're good.
He's Jalen Green is a talent, super athletic, but he's
really creditated on hitting the three ball. He shoots about
eight of them a game and doesn't shoot it at
a very high clip. He was asked to be the
leading scorer on a rocket steam that was legitimately per
(25:32):
one hundred possessions was better without him on the on
the floor by about eight points. So I think if
the Suns were going to reroute him, they would have
taken a couple extra days. Maybe. Hope Houston gets a
little bit more worried about if they're going to make
this deal happen. I think they've already tried to. Now
the five second round picks that you mentioned, could they
(25:54):
move Bradley Beal with those picks? I think that is
far more likely because you're right a backcourt of grief Allen,
Devin Booker, Jalen Green, and I mean, you name it.
They've got a million of these guys. It's not going
to work. That can't be the final product for this
Sun's roster because you're competing this year. It's almost like
(26:16):
a tryout. Devin Booker is interviewing you this year. If
this year goes well, they're a fringe playoff teams, they
show that they've got some fights, maybe three that maybe
they're a playoff team. Maybe Devin Booker goes super nova
carries them to a sixty. I don't think that's impossible.
But you can't roll it out there with these three
guys because ultimately Devin Booker is going to see how
(26:36):
poorly this skilles and say, listen, I've been loyalty guys
to a fall. I think it's time to explore by
different options here. So Bradley deal. Maybe I think Jalen
Green is here for the long haul.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Well, you just led me to something I was going
to ask you. Devin Booker, Martin and I have sat
up here and talked about kind of just some of
the ways the NBA works, And one of the things
I've been big on is fans expect somebody. Look, this
has been six seven, eight years of me being somewhere.
I gave him my all and got you to a
finals before, and I just feel like it's a rap.
I want to make a clean break all of what
maybe potentially could happen with Giannis. If you're Devin Booker
(27:11):
and you're seeing this over the last couple of years
play out, You went to a finals, you got to
taste what that felt like. Where is Devin Booker and
on this? Is he saying I'm here, we got to
figure this out making work around me? Or is he saying, man,
I'm ready to roll and I might be trying to
play my cards to get the heck up out of here.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Yeah, this isn't This is a Phoenix Sun's propaganda. I
think it would be malpractice for Devin Booker to want
to leave this year he's eligible for a two year,
seventy five million dollar extension year if I'm not mistaken,
one hundred and fifty million dollar year contract as a whole.
He's eligible for that this year, and he's going to
get whether you argue he's worth it or he's not
(27:49):
worth it, whatever, but he's trying to sea And as
far as from the future, have to be honest. Man's man.
That's not me wishing Devin Booker's year forever. The guy
doesn't want to leave. He loves it in Phoenix. He's
idolized Kobe Bryant. His ability to stay stay with the
team forever. Granted, Kobe Bryant won five championships, which is
(28:11):
always why I like to point out field that it's
just a little different. But he loves it here. He
wants to build something here, and I think Devin Booker
understands that winning a championship here in Phoenix, the franchise
that has never done it before, might just mean more
than potentially, let's say, getting traded the Lakers and doing
it with the Lakers who have already won a championship,
and you're still going to be behind ten other guys,
(28:33):
all right, But.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Ben hold on a second, I gotta, I got. I
don't mean to cutch off on the tide of prove,
but I got. I got asked because I think that
right now, I think that there is one player left
on the quote unquote market that actually can swing a team,
and that guy is Devin Booker. I know Devin Booker
doesn't want to leave Phoenix. However, Devin Booker, to my nihilis,
(28:56):
does not have no trade clause.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I know Kevin.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Durant did not want to leave to go to Golden State,
but Kevin Durant did not have no trade clause. Like
these guys are why do they have so much?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah? Like I don't.
Speaker 10 (29:12):
Yeah, Like the Suns seem to me to be in
a position where they need to be trying to acquire
capital and turn this thing around Alla, Oklahoma City that
we just saw when a.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Title, like when they moved on from their young guys.
You know what I'm saying again, kind of rebuilt. It's
the point I'm trying to get to.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
There's a difference from moving on for Devin Booker and
there's Kevin Durant. Devin Booker, their Ant's kind of a
hutch mush handshake agreement that he has given so much
to you over the past decade, do you kind of
owe it to him to let him decide his future.
Now you can argue if that's right or not. Kevin Durant,
you don't know anything. If it's true and the reporting
(29:51):
is out there that maybe Minnesota offered a little bit more,
or maybe even Cleveland offered a little bit more, it
is malpractice and it would be fitting for this Sun's
organization that has continued to do things wrong. And in
terms of Kevin Durant giving him what he wants, I.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Would just I would agree with you, guys.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
I don't know how we had this much pool. The
only way I believe they sent him to Houston that
would have made sense that if that was the best offer,
and if that was the best offer for Kevin Durant,
that is shockingly low and I don't believe that. But listen,
there's always this superstar pool. Maybe Kevin Durant he does
get traded to, you know, Toronto, or Kevin Durant got
(30:32):
upset with me because they joked about him going to
Lithuania because Lamel La Ball was there, like trading him
anywhere just to get the right package back to the
Suns is what they should have done. But Kevin Durant, superstar,
he could be telling other teams or other star players,
don't go to Phoenix. That owner is a madman, managed
feels crazy. So there's the only caveat I could give
(30:52):
you with that. Otherwise I agree with you. Do you
make this much money a year, I'm sorry you're just
gonna have to go someplace you don't want to play.
Every normal person doesn't sometimes, so I'd agree with you
in that respect. But Devin Booker, you're gonna pay him
more respect to that, more respect than that because of
what he's done for you in this organze.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Listen, we live in LA We've seen it.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
The Lakers have done that plenty of times where you're like,
all right, it might be into this, and then they
say no. Code not the Devin Bookers, Kobe, But I
mean where you could argue logist logically it makes sense
to move on, and you say no, he earned it.
He's a part of our family. This is what it is,
all right. We appreciate you. Benjamin, Thank you man, Benjamin.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Garcia, Thank you. Ben Garcia's show on X.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Make sure you go give him a follow, hit him
up on socials there all right, the diagnosis is in.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Did Halliburton play his cards? Right? Martin? And I will
tell you it is the Odd Couple? That's right? Fox
Sports Radio What the Achilles.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
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Speaker 2 (31:53):
So I've said that.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
I am a firm believer and when you got a shot,
you gotta go for it, especial surely in this case
of Halliburton, Tyre's Halliburton with the injury. We knew he
had the right calves strain and we didn't know the severity.
Could he play? Couldn't he play? I was always to
the mind you gotta play, man. Game six was when
we were questioning it because, dude, as you've even mentioned
we talked about earlier, you never know. You feel like, man,
(32:17):
I'm young, we had a good team, but you never
know if you're gonna make it back, and so you
got a shot to win it, you go for it.
And we had guests on throughout that week and all
the ex professional athletes agree that you gotta go for it, man,
and that their minds are wired differently. That's part of
what makes your professional athletes. You're kind of crazy, you're
kind of psychotic about what you do. So to me,
(32:39):
I've always felt that was the right thing to do.
You go for it, you give it your best. And
I know he's hurt now, but dude, you had a shot.
You hit a few threes in the first quarter of
Game seven NBA Finals. You don't, you don't get injury,
you mess around to win it. It's a historical moment.
You go down in history. Didn't get a chance to
hear your thoughts on should he have played? Did he
ruin it now for himself? For the Pacers? Look like
he's gonna be out all the next season.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
I mean ruin it for the Pacers, like crime a
River for the team like at that point, Like I mean,
obviously I feel for his teammates, and I'm not saying that,
but the idea, like you hear the announcer be like, well,
if you're Indiana, this one really hurts. No, it really
hurt Tyree Talliburton as you saw him with his towel
over his head, his devastating moment obviously, and one that
(33:23):
I think just also true a Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
You see the reaction and it's less about the pain and.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
More of the knowledge of I know what just happened, right,
And it's one of those things that we see, like
we see that reaction for those guys because they know
in that moment they look back, somebody kicked me. There's
nobody there, And obviously it's a basketball tragedy of sorts.
But I you have I'm not saying he has to play,
(33:52):
I think, but as a person who sits here, who
has never been a man in the arena, who has
never been nobody ever wanted me to play nothing worth it,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Like, that's the way I'll arn. You gotta do it.
You gotta do it like nobody ever was.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Like nobody ever told me I gotta go gut something
out or anything of that nature. Now I would have
been willing to, but nobody ever wanted me to. And
that shows you like the ability that I had, and
it shows you that obviously there's the reason why I'm
doing this and not that. But I cannot fathom being
forty eight minutes away or forty eight times to two
(34:27):
games away from what I've dreamt about my entire life,
and not going full bore as hard as I could,
as much as I could. And an achilles tear is
something like it is less of a like the calf strain,
I should say from what I've heard. And again because
when my strain my calf, nobody cares, right, so I
(34:47):
don't have to know.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
But like your girl cares, don't do that to her. Okay,
so one person cares, right, two people heard tupac right. Anyway,
nobody else cares. When you're in that spot.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
I can't imagine not doing everything I could to try
to play, not doing everything I could just be out there,
And especially after the success that I had in game six,
I would have expected to have more in game seven.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Part of me wonders if that's what happened.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
He went out Game six felt good, like was tentative,
and it was like his Game seven, I gotta go
all the way, go full board.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
But this is like a hamstring.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
When you hurt your hamstring, you can't even use the
restroom properly. Like everything, yes, every weird, and your lower
body is hurts and is unavailable.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
This calf thing.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Apparently it's something that it don't get me wrong, it
hurts you, but you can still run, you can still
and it's a it's just Bill Belichick said it, and
I thought it was one of the if I knew
what play guys were gonna get hurt on I take
him out to play before.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
But you just don't know, you don't.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
And then you see what he was doing, right, three
three three pointers in the first quarter, and he's feeling like, dude,
this is about to be one of the most epic
runs nobody saw us coming. Where got the number one team?
You know, back you know, backed against the.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Wall and game one, big game, had not had a
big game to that point. Just right, the big shot
in Game one, and that even that game wasn't great.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
He just as you mentioned, made that big shot and
this can be my moment already off to nine points,
might mess around and drop a forty piece on them,
and you know, in a win and a clutch game,
seven win. We won two games in a row to
finish this thing off. There he was on his way,
but I completely you have to play this thing out.
I mean this, first of all, it's a short lifespan anyway,
(36:27):
being a professional athlete, and we assume, like we look
at Lebron, Miguel Lebron, man, that's great, Chris Paul, you know,
almost twenty year dude. That's those are the abnormal ones. Yes,
most guys are. Man, I got a good four to
six year run, had a good time of pro. Now
I'm doing radio somewhere, I'm doing local news somewhere with
the city I played for a year or two, or
I'm a you know, doing some college basketball, or I'm
(36:49):
just back home now doing whatever. Like That's that's more normal.
Not going twenty something years like Lebron, Vince Carter, a
long career like Kevin Durant, Steph curR and these guys.
That's the more normal thing because you had a nice
four three, four year, five year run. So point is,
you want to give it all you can and get
it absolutely, try to have those magical moments like Tyree Saliburn.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Now, I still stand on this.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I think the reason why we were seeing all these
young guys twenty two, twenty three, twenty four to twenty
five went through these catastrophic injuries or never quite being right.
I still believe that they're playing too much basketball since
they were four and five years old. Dude, I have
for you know, I'm at the age nine kids. It's
insane how much basketball they play at six years old. Mark,
(37:33):
what we didn't You didn't get on the team, so
you were like eight, nine ten. These kids are playing.
And I mean I was coaching my daughter Martin at four.
It was a four and five year league. Referees scoreboards
at four and five years old? What are we doing?
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Like I played, I remember playing rec ball growing up,
but like I only played on one AAU team. Right,
Like to the point, these guys who were really really good,
they're playing and just even in the pro level. Halliburton
played all summer in France. Right, I know he sat
on the bench, but practice you had to play. Yep,
right exactly. But to this point, I have an interesting
take that maybe we should talk about top of next hour.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Yes, well I want to hear it, and just to
put it while you saved that, Just to put a
button on it. Man, I've said this to Rob. I
think that's why all these top picks, Man, LaMelo, Lonzo Ball,
both ball brothers.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
We know how much they played.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Uh, you're looking at Zion play Griffin, Benson's all these
guys who've come out, and it's been nicked up at
injury for so long. I think that has something to
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Right back tomorrow, right, yes, sir, right be here tomorrow
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to check in on Twitter X. I should say I
couldn't get to the end in Kelvin Washington because that
(01:31):
was the last letter of the maximum, So I got
all the way to Kelvin, washingt Toe, I couldn't get
the end, so I went kter. That's how it all started,
because obviously Twitter was before Instagram, and then I wanted
to keep it the same across the board. I need
to go back and see if I can get that
in now. Obviously I wouldn't just because it's the pointless
at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well first to be like that.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
I'm not saying it's pointless at this point. But you
have a unique cool name. I have the same name everywhere.
I can't. I don't have like a cool like. Everybody
knows who you are. When you type the thing in,
it says your name right there. So instead of it
saying Kelvin Washington and Kelvin Washington like says Martin Wis.
Martin Wie is like, oh, dull, you know you at
least have something that is also catchy. But you've been
(02:11):
doing it long enough where it's like now not quite professional.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
But I mean I know what you mean. I know
what you mean. Flown out.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
We started, you know, back in the Just Music radio day. Well,
first of all, went back to high school to nickname.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
That's what you know.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Shout to my boys who hair, who gave it to
me one day, walked up on me, was like, what up?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Kicked up?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
And I was looking around like I literally looked back
like who is he talking about?
Speaker 6 (02:32):
You?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Fool?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I'm like, hell, ke dude, and it's been sticking ever since.
But shots your hair for that Ketle lied for myself.
My high school name doesn't stick no more. I can't
see nickname. It doesn't fly. We would is it the
dump it?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Really? Yeah? FCC is not letting that go now. I
got to hear it off air. Text me something. I
want to hear what it is now, Robby, you have
a nickname other than rob G.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Literally nobody calls me robb G other than here. And
the only reason that happened is because the iHeart email
thing whatever they do your first name, dot, middle no,
and then your first letter of your last name. So
it should have been Robert G at whatever. There was
already one of those in there, so they made it
Rob G. And then Chris and Rob would get my
(03:15):
emails and they're like, oh, I'm gonna call you rob
G from now on because that's how we show up
as I just don't.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Know who was first though, Danny G or Robb G was.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Definitely definitely Danny G's a stage name.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But how did he feel? Oh, Rob G? Not bad?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I didnt Pickett, you have a nickname name? No, so
everybody just calls you Robert or Rob at home or
Bobby Bobby. All right, Alex, you got a family nickname
at all?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
This is where we get into the dark times of this.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I'm sorry not to cut an alix, but like where
people used to have real nickname, now.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
We just have s G A yeah, no anyway, Well,
I mean it's because everything's like simplified. Now, why did
you just do that? You know, Alex is about displaying
the key to life to us right now. Yeah, it's
just a lot of open the door. We've dumbed ourselves down.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
So I asked Muggsy Bogues about this. If anybody to
ask Bogues would be the one, right, Tyrone Bogues, Right, Tyrone,
And you know what I think it is the death
of journalists. Newspaper writers were giving magic athletes got his name,
That's what it was. And now that we all have
(04:18):
bloggers and podcasters, we get initials.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So there we go.
Speaker 7 (04:23):
I think we have got a shock anymore to give
everyone nicknames or to give.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Flash, to call him the truth.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
He digged about four five Big Aristotle, the big Diesel.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
The big Fundamental, lokey Jack, the big do you get
the big ticket from check?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
No?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I think that was what what Mark was saying. I
think that was a I think local.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
Toby gave his nickname. Lebron gave his nickname.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Wait little saying Lebron's is the chosen one? Was the
King James because it's King James. I don't think he
gave himself. I think the again a sports writer. It
was the sitting There was an obvious one, like how
is that an obvious one? Lebron James, He's the King
King j That was that was a given. I can
see that who was calling a twelve year old King James.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
First of all, he was twenty six when he was
Google Bible with the letter K next to it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You'll find that there's.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
There was nobody saying, hey man, that twelve year old
kid up there at Saint Vincent's Junior High Middle's revisions
History games deliverers.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
There was one person at least, and he's on ESPN
every day. Probably he did not call him King Games.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
But I'm saying, but there was. That's not a crazy stretch.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
Who's nicknaming twelve year olds?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Did you see?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
The man has not on that Sports Illustrated So he
was like forty sixteen.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
The guy who was Greg and Saint Louis covered tweeted
a picture out of Page Becker's.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
When she was a left that It says Diana to Rozzi,
look look out.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
I don't know if I would be proud of that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
She was right.
Speaker 7 (05:45):
I was just not quite as weird as Rob saying,
hey yeah, Bens went Aaron.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
By the way, it's great, I was kind level.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
That was not a way for that. Mark your fiance.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
Yes, don't let Rob around her.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Has he been around her? Yeah? Oh he's for sure.
Screen shot.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
Yeah, he's I'm for sure following you.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
He got my wife. Rob treats everyway like Disneyland. I
need a picture for your entrance. I've been I've done that. Yeah,
we've had that moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I
think I saw my wife one day.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
He was slip let me, I want to show you
this picture for me in nineteen eighty nine. Wait, that
wasn't eighty nine. My wife wouldn't but a few. That
was two weeks ago. Round Oh man, it was you
ever screenshot at something? That's how That's how it started.
He told me that I deleted it, though I don't
believe it. All right, Barton, let me tell you. Let
me throw something that we had had a conversation about it.
Not of it solidified because me and Rob disagreed. He
obviously had the pick pacers and six. I had thunder
(06:35):
in five they won, but it was in seven and
I started look at this team how they're comprised it.
I'm like, man, this team has the making and credit
against Sam Presti for the way they comprised it with
some draft picks that weren't that high. Some guys who
just understand their role and they play hard and then
you obviously have to have a guy, right, You're not
gonna win anything you don't have a guy. SGA is
(06:55):
their guy MVP candidate the last few years, obviously won
it this year. And j Dubb looks like he might
be the Scottie Pippin if you will for this team.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Now that's a bold statement. We gotta wait and see.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
But he has the makings of a great, uh good
to great second player. But I'm looking at this team.
When you show me that you're defensive minded, that's a
massive green flag.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
If you will.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
When you have a guy who can just put up
thirty boringly in his sleep, that's a great So.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
That's what happens when you watched his postgame interviews, well,
doing any of their post game in all of them,
all of them. And I know this affects me disproportionately
because of the days you have. So I actually you
have to hear twenty minutes of I'm sorry to hear that.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
That sounds like a punishment. Man, tell us the security
coache I ain't never gonna tell you. Put on the
OKC postgame press conference, I'll.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Tell you everything you want to know. I'm snitching. I'll
be snitching on everybody.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
If you think, put the headphones on and make him
listen to OKAC press conference and I'll tell you everything.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
But I think this team is is gonna go on
the minimal.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
The minimum to me is a Boston the j run
Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum where with five six years Eastern
Conference we went to a finals, we won one, we
lost one, but had a run where they're like always
in the mix and again walked away to the championship Saints
for injury. We don't know what would happen and never
see the Knicks were up even with Jason Tatum. So
I want to make sure I give the next credit.
(08:21):
But to me, that's the minimum run. Where we're in
Western Conference finals, we get to a finals or two
or three, we win one or two.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
That's the minimal run.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
To me that I expect this team to be on
to win at least one more now that they won
yet since yesterday, I expect one more title and for
them to be at least competing for a handful of years.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think they're built well.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
When I see two wings like that who are defensive
minded but can also score, you got checks who's only
going to get better, and again you got the perfect
pieces around them, and again the Sam Prescy, who's been
masterful throughout his tenure. I expect them to win one
more minimally and to be in that mix off the
next we'll call it half a decade five years of so.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
So I would say the j run is one that
I don't think I hear the way you're contextualizing it
right now, But I don't think in the moment anybody
was thinking that they're on a run, right, because they
weren't winning championships, and they to the point they would
even bump out of the finals or not make the finals, right,
(09:21):
not win the West or East. I think that's the
most likely outcome that this team competes for.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
A while is up there. But like the idea.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
I heard Tim McMahon saying it on the On the
Hoop Collective podcast, asking him on Shumpard after the game
over under two and a half championships for this team
going forward, and Shumpert said absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I'm taking the under and McMahon was surprised.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I think that is a layup to take the under
two and under two and a half when you look
at just throw the random natures of injury aside, because
had it been SGA's achilles out of Tyres Halliburton's achilles,
I don't think we have this conversation in the slightest
and that could happen or for any player on any play.
(10:05):
So take that and just put that to the side,
because I obviously we hate to watch that.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
But also the realities of the NBA are this.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Only one of those guys has been paid at any
level of substance.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
What happens to the whole And.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Again I know, I'm I'm the one America that has
listened to all of this postseason, all these press conferences
where all they talk about Kelvin is how much they
like each other and how much they spend so much
time together, and how lou Dort is SGA's roommate.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
SGA, mind you, who is married with has a child
and a and a whateppened woman right.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
Right, I don't know what it is, but she's taking
a final trophy picture with him, so I'm clearly he's
claiming the republic, right, So they got it all right,
So all of that so so, and lou Dort apparently
lives there or something.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Jalen Williams picks them up to go to the airport, right, So.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
What happens then? What happens then when Jalen Williams, here's
all this to other people keep talking about how they
call him Scotty freaking Pipping, which, by the way, is insanity.
I'm not going for it, but y'all keep saying it,
so he's gonna hear it. And he goes up into
San Praci's office says, you know, no, Scotty Pippen need
(11:19):
the full max. I'm the one that went for forty
in a finals game. Yep, your MVP didn't do that.
And I'm just what happens when Chad Holmgren says, you've
got two guys already ball dominant. I'm the one that
blocked five shots in the game seven of the finals.
(11:42):
It sealed the backside of this defense. I'm the one
that's not repeatable on this.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I'm gonna need the full max. Here.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
What happens when one of these guys when Cason Wallace,
who was a high recruit Kentucky starter. And I'm not
saying that any one of these individual guys has any
of this end them because they.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
All across the board have been all about the power
of friendship.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
But I'm saying this when that bag comes calling money changes, folks,
Chet says, wait a minute, I had five blocks in
the game seven of the finals. What do you mean
I've only played one hundred and ten games. You need
to see more out of me. I'm a you know
like that that all of those things will come into play,
and when you have this team that is so tight
(12:25):
knit and is so like there's not been one single
person who's talked about a business reality in Oklahoma City
for the last two and a half years because.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
None of them have had to pay any money.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Like the business reality that they were going through is
we're building up these young players, They're about to get
to the business reality if we're not gonna be able
to keep them.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
All, which is what here's my take or my thoughts
to what you're saying. So prior to the last little
run we're on with these separate different individual champions, I
would agree with you. If all of a sudden, we
were dealing with a Warriors team that was Kevin Durant
Klay stepped that whole name like dude for about a
four year run, we all went all right, who's you
got to come out to the East, Lebron, and whether
(13:03):
it be Lebron Kyrie there Lebron and whom Matthew Devildubba
just Lebron put Lebron in the Eastern Conference finals or
the representative of the East in the finals.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And then who got in the West?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Okay, give me the Warriors like that was what we
had and the reason why I see this when you
look at this West, especially if we get to the
East too. That's conversation for later on in the week.
There are no bohemos, which to me right now why
they can be in the winning season. I get what
you're saying. Eventually, dud is why I want to get
paid and want to get paid more. That can come soon,
but right now, to me, this is when the iron
(13:35):
is hot and you can strike if you are the thunder. Also,
we have seen before and it's not quite apples apples,
but when we saw Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh and Lebron
all better players, you know, relatively. Maybe SGA because he's
an MVP, could say, how I'm up there with them,
but better players?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Stop it, No, no, no, no, They're all better players,
and that's it. Best.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
You could have a say, but they're all better players,
is my point. They are all leaders of their individual teams, right,
the Calves, the Heat and then the Raptors, and they
all got together. Now the money was way different than
because it's fifteen million, but we know where that would
be now. But they all took haircuts to say, man,
let's come together, let's see what we can do for
a four year run and see if we can get
something done. These dudes are coming in incredibly young, Martin,
(14:18):
and if they say let's just go on another you know,
three year, you sign this, You sign this, because then
we're gonna be twenty six, seven, eight. We got the
rest of our lives to make crazy stupid money. Let's
just go on another two, three to five year run
and see if we can go how many we can
win together, and then at that point you can be
twenty eight year check.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Like that's my thing, because that's my point, you said,
and I cut you off, and I wasn't trying to.
But it's because like we have the Scottie Pip and
Jaylen Williams conversation, oh, the SGA, Michael Jordan, Dwayne Wade.
It's like those guys like the guys that we're talking about,
Dwayne Wadechris Bosh, Lebron James are And I know the
Pro Basketball Hall of Fame, everybody gets in there, but
(14:56):
they are top of the line for their class Pro
Basketball Hall of Famers. If there was an NBA Hall
of Fame, they would not be the ones that were
left off of the list, right And when you talk
about these other teams, you're talking about some of the
best players in NBA history. Chet Holmgren has played one
hundred and fourteen NBA regular season games. And these guys
(15:19):
are in year three, you're gonna play And I get
it that you want to pay them because they're homegrown
or town.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
But you know what, though, like so was Michael Porter junior,
and when they offered them that big deal and the
CBA switched up on everything, but they wish they hadn't
They wish they had right now. And you don't have
to put a lot of detector on people in Denver
to find that out right, And so partly though, is
because they won.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Chet Holmgren was horrible in this NBA Finals, horrendous and
you could make.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
The argument that he you should have played Hartenstein that.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Much more there, You're that argument not coming around during
contract negotiations from from his side of things. You know,
Jayla Wims of minus forty in one of these games,
it's like, are you sure that you got you? You
better be sure? I should say it like that, you
better be sure?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And that is what we're gonna have to wait and
find out. And you tell me you with Martin on
this is not necessarily feasible with me that they could
go on a nice at minimum. Boston Celtics with Jalen
Brown and Jason Tata Run eight seven, seven ninety nine
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Speaker 6 (16:48):
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Speaker 2 (17:14):
He's still moving. That's gonna be the thing, right there.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Well, we have Fox Sports Radio two and Alex you
can't wait for this, this you bring it up.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You have no idea.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Well, we have the conversation we have off the air
that we all might lose our job on the air
if we had. But somehow, maybe because I don't know,
maybe it's online and so it doesn't count.
Speaker 9 (17:35):
I kept saying, I want to sell the idea behind
the glass and it's conversations you can have on air.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well, first of all, she kept it to yourself. I
don't mind.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
No, you know that is a conversation you could have
on the air, the conversation about the off the air conversation.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Yeah, I just want you to trademark that. That's all
Man I'm trying to get you some bread, you know
what I mean. I live for questions like that though. Yeah,
but those are those are the best we can. We
can't have that one over the air, right, that's the
little it's a little risky.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Wit till Rob's back.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Yeah, well, well John, that'll definitely make it two risky easy, yeah,
because he would ask where is he doing that thing
at all?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Off of what and then we'd all be on LinkedIn
looking for new jobs and he probably wouldn't need one.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
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the Magic City Monday. Hopefully you're having a magical Monday,
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Benjamin Garcia, host of The Man Garcia Show on YouTube,
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(18:37):
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Speaker 2 (19:00):
Are you ready for it? I'm here? What do you
let me tell you an Express Pro the Week? Is
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Speaker 4 (19:11):
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And now let me ask you this we were talking
about before the break there. I believe they're gonna go
(19:33):
to a nice run again. I'm not saying they're gonna
three peat or anything like that, but I think they'll
go on a very Celtics like get to another finals
or to win one more.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I do think they're gonna win one more. Uh. This
iteration of.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Them uh if with other teams out there, is there
someone you look at that's in their way?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
If you I watched Luca Dodgers get to the finals
with PJ. Washington, Daniel Gafford and Derks, Like I think
think that the Lakers run after getting a stretch will
give this team trouble. Like I could I could see
them giving this team trouble when we talk about Stott
like the I think I'll put it like this, Any
team I think that can execute effectively in a half
(20:14):
court system is going to give them more trouble than
teams like even like Indiana did. Indiana was key because
they didn't turn the ball over a lot. That's why
they were able to If they can execute in a
half court which limits turnovers, that's how this team is.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Is what makes okay, see that is their elite skill.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
To me, they will steal the ball from you five
times in a row and it like it is.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
That's what to me makes them that elite.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
So like like a Denver like signon with a guy
like Joki's running your offense, you know probably's not gonna
turn the ball over a ton. I think they would
give them some trouble. Okay, see you'll have the deepest roster.
But again, you can only play five guys at a time.
They have they have their built for that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
And by the way, you you play sports out you
play basketball right in high seat, high school, that matter.
You play everything you were taught defensively, don't reach you know,
don't don't try to know. We don't need to getting
in foul, trouble or go for the steal. Don't go
for stick. If you go for the steal, you better
get it. They just go for everything. I mean, it's
actually mine by me and Rob will be sitting here,
you know, during some of the games throughout the postseason,
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and I'm like, man, they are.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
They go for everything.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
They go for all steals, diving on the floor, things
that you kind of thought were keep you man in
front of you, they'll try to reach behind. And it's
just that it is amazing to see when you watch
them defensively and you're to your point, they turn those
into points off turnovers in a hurry.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So that is what makes them really good. All right,
we got on the way.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Benjamin Garcia on the other side of us trending Steve
the Seger.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm Eastern,
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Speaker 4 (21:50):
All Right, Steve, thank you so much, Odd Couple, Kevin Washington,
Martin Wise and for Rob or the Magic City Monday,
and we are joined now by Benjamin Garcia, host of
the Ben Garcia Showing YouTube, host of the Locked Own
Suns podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Been what's going on? How you doing?
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Thanks for having me, not a problem.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
All right, You got Martin and I here been talking
a little bit about this trade that eventually, at some
point will be finalized. Uh, just start with the beginning
of this. How shocked were you as particular the team
was the Rockets, maybe the when it happened. Obviously they
couldn't get a deal earlier during the season. Just your
initial thoughts of when this happened.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Well, they couldn't get a deal done the middle of
the season because Kevin Durant said that that's not happening.
You know, I've heard before that. You know, Kevin Durant
was very very close to being traded to the Golden
State Orders, but eventually he's the one that backed out.
On that deal. So yeah, ultimately thought that he's gone. No, No,
I'm shocked the value that they got back because you
(22:47):
talk about Jalen Green, a guy that it was. It's
the same problem that they had with Kevin Durant, Devin
Booker and Bradley deal was too much redundancy if each
guy did a lot of a lot of the same things,
but one guy event in the other one and Bradley
bial was a distant third to those two. And now
you talk about Jalen Green, You're bringing in someone who
maybe at his best in seven Booker, but right now
(23:09):
I would probably port to maybe even a poor man's
Bradley Biala when at Bradley Beal's peak. So it's the
value for Kevin Duranty, it feels like you have to
get more. But ultimately no, man not surprised that this
deal finally went down. I'm a little surprised that it
happened on Sunday and it didn't go further down the
(23:30):
pike maybe Tuesday or Wednesday. But overall the value not great.
But shocked. No, this divorce was was It feels like
months in the making, maybe years.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
So I know Ben ben Garcia joining us here on
the odd couple Martin Wise here, I know that you
are cover this from the Arizona side of things and
are looking at it primarily through that lens. And I
know that there were at least I believe I saw
a statement that like they're planning on keeping Jalen Green, right,
But this is it. The whole points you get those
(24:01):
five second round picks in this deal is to try
to package some of this together some uh to your.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Point, all of those guys you got there, can.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
I give you two second round picks and ex player
to get a first round or please because we need
a draft pick in the worst way.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Are you saying in terms of trying to package Jalen
Green getting more, getting more draft capital or potentially someone
else in the deal?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Well, I'm saying, like you, you just kind of alluded
to it.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
You got the same player just a little bit worse
eight of times between Devin Booker, Jalen Green, Bradley Beal
and then even the Dune kid who I know that
they like. But they all are competing for the same
minutes that throw Brooks in there too. That's why you
get to these second round picks. This can't be the roster.
We're gonna see night one in Phoenix.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
You know, you say it, you say it can't be.
And I worry that it might be the case because
if the Suns didn't want Jalen Green and the report
and reporting, and I've hearked back all the way in
February that the Sun's word not interested in Jalen Green,
and now it comes out, Oh no, they really like
to fit. They're interested in Jalen Green. Everything's going to
be great here in Phoenix. I don't think that's the case.
(25:09):
I think the Sun's already tried to reroute Jalen Green
a bunch of other places, and everyone else said, we're good.
He's Jalen Green is a talent, super athletic, but he's
really creditated on hitting the three ball. He shoots about
eight of them a game and doesn't shoot it at
a very high clip. He was asked to be the
leading scorer on a rocket steam that was legitimately per
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one hundred possessions was better without him on the on
the floor by about eight points. So I think if
the Suns were going to reroute him, they would have
taken a couple extra days. Maybe. Hope Houston gets a
little bit more worried about if they're going to make
this deal happen. I think they've already tried to. Now
the five second round picks that you mentioned, could they
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move Bradley Beal with those picks? I think that is
far more likely because you're right a backcourt of grief Allen,
Devin Booker, Jalen Green, and I mean, you name it.
They've got a million of these guys. It's not going
to work. That can't be the final product for this
Sun's roster because you're competing this year. It's almost like
(26:16):
a tryout. Devin Booker is interviewing you this year. If
this year goes well, they're a fringe playoff teams, they
show that they've got some fights, maybe three that maybe
they're a playoff team. Maybe Devin Booker goes super nova
carries them to a sixty. I don't think that's impossible.
But you can't roll it out there with these three
guys because ultimately Devin Booker is going to see how
(26:36):
poorly this skilles and say, listen, I've been loyalty guys
to a fall. I think it's time to explore by
different options here. So Bradley deal. Maybe I think Jalen
Green is here for the long haul.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Well, you just led me to something I was going
to ask you. Devin Booker, Martin and I have sat
up here and talked about kind of just some of
the ways the NBA works, And one of the things
I've been big on is fans expect somebody. Look, this
has been six seven, eight years of me being somewhere.
I gave him my all and got you to a
finals before, and I just feel like it's a rap.
I want to make a clean break all of what
maybe potentially could happen with Giannis. If you're Devin Booker
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and you're seeing this over the last couple of years
play out, You went to a finals, you got to
taste what that felt like. Where is Devin Booker and
on this? Is he saying I'm here, we got to
figure this out making work around me? Or is he saying, man,
I'm ready to roll and I might be trying to
play my cards to get the heck up out of here.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Yeah, this isn't This is a Phoenix Sun's propaganda. I
think it would be malpractice for Devin Booker to want
to leave this year he's eligible for a two year,
seventy five million dollar extension year if I'm not mistaken,
one hundred and fifty million dollar year contract as a whole.
He's eligible for that this year, and he's going to
get whether you argue he's worth it or he's not
(27:49):
worth it, whatever, but he's trying to sea And as
far as from the future, have to be honest. Man's man.
That's not me wishing Devin Booker's year forever. The guy
doesn't want to leave. He loves it in Phoenix. He's
idolized Kobe Bryant. His ability to stay stay with the
team forever. Granted, Kobe Bryant won five championships, which is
(28:11):
always why I like to point out field that it's
just a little different. But he loves it here. He
wants to build something here, and I think Devin Booker
understands that winning a championship here in Phoenix, the franchise
that has never done it before, might just mean more
than potentially, let's say, getting traded the Lakers and doing
it with the Lakers who have already won a championship,
and you're still going to be behind ten other guys,
(28:33):
all right, But.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Ben hold on a second, I gotta, I got. I
don't mean to cutch off on the tide of prove,
but I got. I got asked because I think that
right now, I think that there is one player left
on the quote unquote market that actually can swing a team,
and that guy is Devin Booker. I know Devin Booker
doesn't want to leave Phoenix. However, Devin Booker, to my nihilis,
(28:56):
does not have no trade clause.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I know Kevin.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Durant did not want to leave to go to Golden State,
but Kevin Durant did not have no trade clause. Like
these guys are why do they have so much?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah? Like I don't.
Speaker 10 (29:12):
Yeah, Like the Suns seem to me to be in
a position where they need to be trying to acquire
capital and turn this thing around Alla, Oklahoma City that
we just saw when a.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Title, like when they moved on from their young guys.
You know what I'm saying again, kind of rebuilt. It's
the point I'm trying to get to.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
There's a difference from moving on for Devin Booker and
there's Kevin Durant. Devin Booker, their Ant's kind of a
hutch mush handshake agreement that he has given so much
to you over the past decade, do you kind of
owe it to him to let him decide his future.
Now you can argue if that's right or not. Kevin Durant,
you don't know anything. If it's true and the reporting
(29:51):
is out there that maybe Minnesota offered a little bit more,
or maybe even Cleveland offered a little bit more, it
is malpractice and it would be fitting for this Sun's
organization that has continued to do things wrong. And in
terms of Kevin Durant giving him what he wants, I.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Would just I would agree with you, guys.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
I don't know how we had this much pool. The
only way I believe they sent him to Houston that
would have made sense that if that was the best offer,
and if that was the best offer for Kevin Durant,
that is shockingly low and I don't believe that. But listen,
there's always this superstar pool. Maybe Kevin Durant he does
get traded to, you know, Toronto, or Kevin Durant got
(30:32):
upset with me because they joked about him going to
Lithuania because Lamel La Ball was there, like trading him
anywhere just to get the right package back to the
Suns is what they should have done. But Kevin Durant, superstar,
he could be telling other teams or other star players,
don't go to Phoenix. That owner is a madman, managed
feels crazy. So there's the only caveat I could give
(30:52):
you with that. Otherwise I agree with you. Do you
make this much money a year, I'm sorry you're just
gonna have to go someplace you don't want to play.
Every normal person doesn't sometimes, so I'd agree with you
in that respect. But Devin Booker, you're gonna pay him
more respect to that, more respect than that because of
what he's done for you in this organze.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Listen, we live in LA We've seen it.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
The Lakers have done that plenty of times where you're like,
all right, it might be into this, and then they
say no. Code not the Devin Bookers, Kobe, But I
mean where you could argue logist logically it makes sense
to move on, and you say no, he earned it.
He's a part of our family. This is what it is,
all right. We appreciate you. Benjamin, Thank you man, Benjamin.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Garcia, Thank you. Ben Garcia's show on X.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Make sure you go give him a follow, hit him
up on socials there all right, the diagnosis is in.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Did Halliburton play his cards? Right? Martin? And I will
tell you it is the Odd Couple? That's right? Fox
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Speaker 2 (31:53):
So I've said that.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
I am a firm believer and when you got a shot,
you gotta go for it, especial surely in this case
of Halliburton, Tyre's Halliburton with the injury. We knew he
had the right calves strain and we didn't know the severity.
Could he play? Couldn't he play? I was always to
the mind you gotta play, man. Game six was when
we were questioning it because, dude, as you've even mentioned
we talked about earlier, you never know. You feel like, man,
(32:17):
I'm young, we had a good team, but you never
know if you're gonna make it back, and so you
got a shot to win it, you go for it.
And we had guests on throughout that week and all
the ex professional athletes agree that you gotta go for it, man,
and that their minds are wired differently. That's part of
what makes your professional athletes. You're kind of crazy, you're
kind of psychotic about what you do. So to me,
(32:39):
I've always felt that was the right thing to do.
You go for it, you give it your best. And
I know he's hurt now, but dude, you had a shot.
You hit a few threes in the first quarter of
Game seven NBA Finals. You don't, you don't get injury,
you mess around to win it. It's a historical moment.
You go down in history. Didn't get a chance to
hear your thoughts on should he have played? Did he
ruin it now for himself? For the Pacers? Look like
he's gonna be out all the next season.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
I mean ruin it for the Pacers, like crime a
River for the team like at that point, Like I mean,
obviously I feel for his teammates, and I'm not saying that,
but the idea, like you hear the announcer be like, well,
if you're Indiana, this one really hurts. No, it really
hurt Tyree Talliburton as you saw him with his towel
over his head, his devastating moment obviously, and one that
(33:23):
I think just also true a Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
You see the reaction and it's less about the pain and.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
More of the knowledge of I know what just happened, right,
And it's one of those things that we see, like
we see that reaction for those guys because they know
in that moment they look back, somebody kicked me. There's
nobody there, And obviously it's a basketball tragedy of sorts.
But I you have I'm not saying he has to play,
(33:52):
I think, but as a person who sits here, who
has never been a man in the arena, who has
never been nobody ever wanted me to play nothing worth it,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Like, that's the way I'll arn. You gotta do it.
You gotta do it like nobody ever was.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Like nobody ever told me I gotta go gut something
out or anything of that nature. Now I would have
been willing to, but nobody ever wanted me to. And
that shows you like the ability that I had, and
it shows you that obviously there's the reason why I'm
doing this and not that. But I cannot fathom being
forty eight minutes away or forty eight times to two
(34:27):
games away from what I've dreamt about my entire life,
and not going full bore as hard as I could,
as much as I could. And an achilles tear is
something like it is less of a like the calf strain,
I should say from what I've heard. And again because
when my strain my calf, nobody cares, right, so I
(34:47):
don't have to know.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
But like your girl cares, don't do that to her. Okay,
so one person cares, right, two people heard tupac right. Anyway,
nobody else cares. When you're in that spot.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
I can't imagine not doing everything I could to try
to play, not doing everything I could just be out there,
And especially after the success that I had in game six,
I would have expected to have more in game seven.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Part of me wonders if that's what happened.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
He went out Game six felt good, like was tentative,
and it was like his Game seven, I gotta go
all the way, go full board.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
But this is like a hamstring.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
When you hurt your hamstring, you can't even use the
restroom properly. Like everything, yes, every weird, and your lower
body is hurts and is unavailable.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
This calf thing.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Apparently it's something that it don't get me wrong, it
hurts you, but you can still run, you can still
and it's a it's just Bill Belichick said it, and
I thought it was one of the if I knew
what play guys were gonna get hurt on I take
him out to play before.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
But you just don't know, you don't.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
And then you see what he was doing, right, three
three three pointers in the first quarter, and he's feeling like, dude,
this is about to be one of the most epic
runs nobody saw us coming. Where got the number one team?
You know, back you know, backed against the.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Wall and game one, big game, had not had a
big game to that point. Just right, the big shot
in Game one, and that even that game wasn't great.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
He just as you mentioned, made that big shot and
this can be my moment already off to nine points,
might mess around and drop a forty piece on them,
and you know, in a win and a clutch game,
seven win. We won two games in a row to
finish this thing off. There he was on his way,
but I completely you have to play this thing out.
I mean this, first of all, it's a short lifespan anyway,
(36:27):
being a professional athlete, and we assume, like we look
at Lebron, Miguel Lebron, man, that's great, Chris Paul, you know,
almost twenty year dude. That's those are the abnormal ones. Yes,
most guys are. Man, I got a good four to
six year run, had a good time of pro. Now
I'm doing radio somewhere, I'm doing local news somewhere with
the city I played for a year or two, or
I'm a you know, doing some college basketball, or I'm
(36:49):
just back home now doing whatever. Like That's that's more normal.
Not going twenty something years like Lebron, Vince Carter, a
long career like Kevin Durant, Steph curR and these guys.
That's the more normal thing because you had a nice
four three, four year, five year run. So point is,
you want to give it all you can and get
it absolutely, try to have those magical moments like Tyree Saliburn.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Now, I still stand on this.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I think the reason why we were seeing all these
young guys twenty two, twenty three, twenty four to twenty
five went through these catastrophic injuries or never quite being right.
I still believe that they're playing too much basketball since
they were four and five years old. Dude, I have
for you know, I'm at the age nine kids. It's
insane how much basketball they play at six years old. Mark,
(37:33):
what we didn't You didn't get on the team, so
you were like eight, nine ten. These kids are playing.
And I mean I was coaching my daughter Martin at four.
It was a four and five year league. Referees scoreboards
at four and five years old? What are we doing?
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Like I played, I remember playing rec ball growing up,
but like I only played on one AAU team. Right,
Like to the point, these guys who were really really good,
they're playing and just even in the pro level. Halliburton
played all summer in France. Right, I know he sat
on the bench, but practice you had to play. Yep,
right exactly. But to this point, I have an interesting
take that maybe we should talk about top of next hour.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Yes, well I want to hear it, and just to
put it while you saved that, Just to put a
button on it. Man, I've said this to Rob. I
think that's why all these top picks, Man, LaMelo, Lonzo Ball,
both ball brothers.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
We know how much they played.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Uh, you're looking at Zion play Griffin, Benson's all these
guys who've come out, and it's been nicked up at
injury for so long. I think that has something to
do with it. Fox Sports Radio Time might have been
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