July 2, 2025 • 45 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us why it’s clear that the New York Knicks botched this head coaching hire by settling on journeyman coach Mike Brown, debate which method of applying roster pressure is most beneficial: LeBron James’ public, passive-aggressive style or Giannis Antetokounmpo’s private, deny-everything style, and discuss what Clayton Kershaw’s long-term legacy is as he closes in on 3,000 career strikeouts.
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That's right, man, what's up? Happy? Uh?
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We have a lot of stuff to get to I'm
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Speaker 2 (03:13):
Kelvin. We could just kick it off the news of
the day. You want to introduce it the news of
the day.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Well, yeah, the news of the day would be that
the New York Knickerbockers went ahead and finally got a
coach after all this time. And that coach would be
one none other than Mike Brown. He is now the
head coach for the next and uh, this is you know,
coming after some weeks of trying to find one, which
was interesting when they let Tims go.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Who would it be?
Speaker 6 (03:39):
There are some bigger names out there you thought that
would be in consideration that weren't. And then we know
Rob also that they had had a list of a
handful of people that some never even were able to
get interviews, some were able to.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Get already had jobs, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Like, yeah, a team likeel Like you're looking to talk
to No, No, he's under contract.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
You can't be calling him. Hey, hello, Rockets, is email available?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Right? Jason kidd? I know you got a new contract
with the and.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
A number one draft pick coming up.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Yeah, exactly, Like yeah, so they had a crazy Yeah,
they had a few. Quinn Snyder would be another one,
Taylor Jenkins, a lot of a haldful of people who
had some They did have some meetings and took some interviews,
but at the end of the day, Mike Brown got
the the opportunity. So yeah, so there you have it.
They got their guy that they believe will lead them
to the future.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
What say you, Okay, if I'm a New York Knicks
fan today, I am melancholy.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I am a Debbie Downer.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I am distraught because Mike Brown really the Knicks. You know,
Mike Brown's been around, what is this his fifth start?
It's gonna be like his fifth fifth team, I should say.
I know he did the Cavs twice, but this will
be like his fifth time being a head coach, and
very he seldom Kelvin Washington, does a coach win a
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championship after making that many stops?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Okay, it just normally doesn't happen that way.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I can think of one guy it's happened too, and
that's about it, off the top of my head, who
made numerous stops and won later on in his career.
So the Knicks wanted Larry Brown, but I think they
got closer to Charlie Brown by hiring Mike Brown. I mean,
Larry Brown did it. Larry Brown won the Pistons with
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the championship with the Pistons later after being with a
lot of teams, but he ain't Larry Brown. Larry Brown
also won a championship in college. Larry Brown's the only
coach who won in the NBA and in college basketball.
So you're talking about a select group. Mike Brown hasn't
won anything, zero zip naw. And they thought they had
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something going and Sacramento couldn't win the big game, right.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
There were a couple of times where you thought the.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
King's gonna They're gonna beat up Warriors and move on.
No way, no how, I don't know how you get excited.
To me, it feels like the Knicks went to kick
the football and they got it pulled from them.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
They missed it.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I mean, I'm all for getting rid of TIBs. I
told you.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
That that after they lost the first two games in
the Eastern Conference Finals at home, including that debacle in
Game one fourteen points with two thirty eight to go,
I have no issue with them being fired, but to
hire another guy who's been around for a while, had
these teams, never really has won anything, coached you know,
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in Cleveland and.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Coached for the Lakers and all that.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
When the Lakers think he got fired in the second year,
right after five or six games, you remember that disaster.
So my point is, if you're Nick Nation or whatever
you want to call themselves, Nick faithful or whatever, my god,
is that all they came away with Mike Brown.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I'm sorry, I'm not with it.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Look, if they're Nick faithful, if they're Nick faithful, they
out here about to be Nick looking at other things
right now, Nick cheating, They ain't about to be faithful
right now.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Rob.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
This is a couple of things. So you touched on
something I want to go back to. I'm not gonna
act like Tom Thibodeau was Phil Jackson. I said that
during in real time. You now my thing was all right?
Then if you have to have in my opinion, of playing,
if we're letting it go a guy who's had the
most success there in twenty two years, he has now
surpassed Pat Riley for the most wins, fourth most wins
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in NICK history. He had eleven playoff wins. He had
four appearances in five seasons. So you had a guy
who was creating something, who had gotten you all the
way to game and a half.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Away from the finals.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
So to me, okay, you're letting them go to get
and this was my concern.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
This was my issue.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
And they went from you know, going to New York
going to see some huge Broadway plays.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
To going to see a community center play.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Now you got Mike Brown, who's some of the highlights
on his career.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
He got Coach of the Year in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Pretty easy to get a Coach of the Year or
at least be a candidate when you got that era
of Lebron James right. Then you go to the Warriors
for a few when Kirk Steve Kerr was going through
some things. You coach there for a little bit, so
you get some wins with them, But after that, to me,
it's been underachieving.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
You underachieved with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
You had that same team that came back from an
NBA Finals appearance, NBA Championship, and you underachieved with them.
Then the next year, as you mentioned, you only coach
five games. You underachieved the Sacramento with some really good
two all NBA guys and some Bonus and dearon Fox
and some mother players quality players as well. When they
got around was at the two seed you lost in
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the playoffs. So to me, you wentn't got a guy
that's one of those well who always get a good job.
Everybody seems to like him, seems to be a nice guy.
And I'm not even saying he's not a solid coach.
There's thirty jobs. Somebody has to have a job. But
for a Nick team that had a chance to get
back in the Eastern Conference and finals and maybe get
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to the finals because the East is wide open, this
to me did not womy.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
This did not move the needle.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
And if as you mentioned, as a Knick fan, I
would be like wait what, and I would actually be upset.
And this goes back to James Dolan mentioning we just
do weird things, he himself, sometimes we overreact, sometimes we
chase the shining thing. And to me, he did it
again by overreacting, chasing the shining thing and getting rid
of somebody who again, fine, fine, then you have to
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have a better plan and contingency plan. And I didn't
see that, And this is why the Knicks be nicking.
This is why the Knicks be nicking and ruin.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Up the situation.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
The one thing I hear you, I'm gonna disagree, though.
I'm sorry with the Tibbs. You know, you say you
got wins. Pat Rodley took the Knicks to the finals
like this, you know, like so so.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
He can have more wins than Pat Roley and all
this other stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But Robb was on but after they No, I'm just
saying I don't have any issue once they lost that series,
and I'm just saying they all had expectations after they
beat Celtics that they were.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Going to the finals.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
And then you lose game one in that fashion and
then you being a coach, hey, you can shake off
one game, right, It's only one game. They lost Game
two at home and that was the series. So I
don't have an issue with them firing them. What I
do is I have an issue with going out to
get a coach who has a track record of not winning.
That that's the issue I have. And I think that's
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where you got to look at it and go and
I get it. There aren't a million coaches with a
championship trophy in their back pocket, and I talked about
Michael Malone and I guess they had some bad blood
or something before, so you know, I guess they held
that against them, and which is fine if they wanted
to do that, but I would have to if and
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once they talked to the players and the exit interviews
and they felt like Tims had to go because that's
what this was.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
This wasn't a plan.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
They just signed a guy in the offseason to a
new extension, so this.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Was not the plan. They thought they had their guy.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You gotta remember their president and GM used to be
was his agent, you know what I mean, Like they
have a relationship. They didn't do this just just because
they were scheming to do this all along. This thing happened,
they didn't get to the finals, and then they talked
to the players on the way out who weren't feeling
tips enough to make them say, you know what, let's
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give them another shot at this. So I don't have
the issue with the firing. I just think there were
other people or take a chance. I'd even take a
chance on somebody who you really believe might have that
it thing and might be the new hotness rather than
a retread who hasn't been able to get over the hump.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You're gonna look back at this.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
There are people in New York, you know, hoping and
wishing going maybe this is like when the Yankees hired
Joe Tory and everybody was down on Joe Tory. The
headline in the Daily News in New York when Joe
Torrey got hired for the Ankees was clueless Joe, and
he went on to win five World Series, right, well,
four or five World Series with the Yankees. Four uh so,
(12:10):
so people are hoping that it's that, you know, like
it wasn't a popular higher. But he also had Derek
Jeter and Maria No right, come in, good man, Andy Pettitt.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I mean they had that group was special. There's that
was a special group. Five guys that came up to you,
joege Pisada. I'm one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
So Joe, you want to get them all the flowers,
that's fine. But but the group that he had that
was developed in the Yankees minor league system was different.
This Nick team was ready to win last year. They
made all the moves, all the picks from Michel Bridges.
They made the trade for Cat Kelvin. This was supposed
to be it and it didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
And my my only thing we were not. I'm not
overly mad at the firing and it since again I
don't think he is the greatest coach of all time.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
You let him go. My issue I've told you was
what was the plan?
Speaker 6 (13:02):
But also I'll say this, this is where we will
absolutely fundamentally disagree. I The firing would suggest that maybe
all of a sudden they're like, oh I lean more
to Maybe there were some players issue Karl Anthony Towns
who also had the same agent, maybe upset he didn't
get some crucial minutes in the game.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
In the game, I can understand that.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
But to me, I don't like the firing when it
comes to saying the expectations. Dude, nobody thought the Knicks
were getting to the finals before the season and even
during the playoffs. I get what you're saying, they beat
the Celtics, now you have to go to But what
I'm saying against ch you got to a game six
against a eventual really good team and his pacers. Maybe
we all undermes ed them all year. That to me
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doesn't signal firing cues.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I agree with you on that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I agree that you could lose to the Pacier, but
you can't give up a fourteen point lead at home
with two thirty eight. That is the If you don't
get fired off of that, Kelvin, you'll never get there
could be no reason to fire you. I'm that is
that is an all time choke job. Would you agree
with that?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Damn told?
Speaker 6 (14:05):
I mean, yeah, I mean it was one and whatever,
but you know, I told you I think it was
more of a pacer. That's a story for another day,
but I just it's gonna be what. They had one
playoff win series in twenty two years. I believe it
was the Knicks prior to him, and to me, they
should have another because they're the East is wide open.
But don't put yourself back in a situation where you're
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no longer relevant. We all enjoy the Knicks being relevant.
It's good for the NBA. And so I just didn't
like the hire of Mike Brown for this situation.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Not that Mike Brown couldn't.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Be the Hornets or the Jazz or some other coach,
but specifically for a Nick team that realistically has championship aspirations,
I didn't like to hire.
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three minutes or so, one's gotta go, and that'll be interesting.
One's got to go. I see what you're doing here
on that topic as we spend today. Yeah, uh, touching
everybody on the show.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
But let's go here to the NBA will continue to
talk about you know, moves and stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And you heard earlier Eddie House was really impressed by
what the Bucks did.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And you know there were people I.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Guess uh Jannis supposedly told, was it Chris Haynes, Yes,
inside of Chris Haynes, that he didn't like the way
it was handled, but he didn't say he didn't like it.
And then today basically said he was excited about the
moves that the Bucks have made, uh, still saying that
he's not a part of making these decisions or whatever. Basically,
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you know the front office is doing that stuff. Uh,
you have a problem with the way uh Janice has
handled this, I'm assuming here.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Yeah, well my thing is this because then there you know,
you can kind of you know how this goes. Rob
there's report to the report, and in a response to
the report of the report by this person in the response,
So then you got the latest Ramona Shellburn. She had
put out there that he was not pleased and that
he actually that he was not pleased with Markey's decision
(18:17):
to wave Lillard and then he just didn't like how
it was handled, as you mentioned. And then you have
natro Lebri response from Damian Lillard under Ramona's tweet out there,
he responded with it kind of using that character in
the movie, his nod of resignation, like yeah, sure, all right.
So as if Damien is saying no, he knew what
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was up. He knew the whole time. And it kind
of goes to conversation you and I were having yesterday.
The Bucks are doing this, Giannis means too much, he's
too big, he's the being a part time GM de facto,
and that they're talking to him. If they're trying to
keep him, they're gonna do whatever it takes to make
him happy. Right, This is what we're doing. This what
we're thinking, This is what we're considering. These are the
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options we have. What do you think? What do you
agree with? We're thinking about getting Miles Turner, which he
said he liked that move there.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
He was excited about that.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
And they're gonna move Damien, he has to be on
the know, especially if they're gonna take eat a bunch
of one hundred plus dollars one hundred twelve million dollars,
whatever it is. So my thing is this, I don't
like that end of it to act as if you
didn't know to act well. I didn't like I was
handled if you indeed were you know, know about this,
And I know over the final last five six years
or so, with Lebron kind of getting to that point
in his career, with it's only championships that matter every year,
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every team, we all go, well, we know there are
a bunch of guys that could be expendable. We know
Lebron is at this point willing to do anything for
a championship. And I guess for me, and it can
be Lebron, it could be somebody in the NFL quarterback
who's on that same trajectory. I'd rather know at the
end of the season, like yo, unless I'm you know, Luca,
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I could go somewhere, I could be traded, I could
be released, i could be cut. I'd rather know it
and know what I'm facing then to think we're trying
to come back battle this thing out, you know, and
I'll get healthy.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
If I'm Damian.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Lillard and we'll come back and make this thing happen,
or if we just had a conversation like yo, man,
you and I both know this ain't working.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I'd rather move on.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
You'd be rather move on the team is willing to,
you know, try to move this thing on so you
can go.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You saying Lebron handles stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
No, I'm saying I would rather Giannis had done that.
I'm saying come to him. And then the act is
if he didn't know act I don't like he was handled.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I feel as though if you're Dame, who is tended
to be a straight up kind of guy, I think
he feels as if that was sneaky by Yanni's and
now acting like you didn't know because you can't tell
me he's all in. They're gonna communicate with Yiannis. He's
the organization, he's a team, which means he knows. And
then at all, I ain't like how they handled it
all that's kind of crazy. Oh what I'd rather you
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straight up come to me like, yo, man, do you
feel me like this isn't working? You would degree, I think,
and let's just part ways or just to be straight
up like I'm not.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Happy with where the team is, y'all have to make moves.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Then the act like you're just so dumbfounded by this,
because to me, that comes off a little sneaky. I'd
rather every time We know everybody's expendable. We're trying to
do whatever it takes a win. What we got right
now enough and anybody can get it. If you're brandon Ingram,
if you're Kyle Kuzma, if you're Julius Randall on the Lakers,
you're expendable. I'd rather at least know that than to
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think it's all good while I'm rehabbing and this happened Rob.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
All right, Well, Kelvin, we've tried this show for the
last ten months. I gotta tell you, I don't think
it's working out.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And I'm just gonna tell you straightforward to your face
on the show. Is that good? Is that now?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Now? You could have called me that you could have caught.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I'm just said.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
You're responding to my text because right now all I
hear is woo wah, wah wah.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
That's that's all I hear from you.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I wanted to hear what you're gonna say on that one.
Yeah you want to hear it like that?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, Coy, that's not Howard, That's not how it works.
And you know this if you're Dame Lily right, come on, man.
Giannis is their franchise player. The same way Lebron can
act like he didn't know a d or ow I
was in the dark.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I don't know what the move the Lakers are making
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I don't buy into all that, or when they trade
away half the team for him, as if he didn't
have anything.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
To do with it.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
My point is, did you have a front office, you
have an owner, you have all this stuff that's for
them to do. You don't have to feel like you
have to sign off on everything and put that's not
the onus is on me. They did they come and
ask me or tell me that they're looking to do something.
They didn't ask me for approval. They're they're just giving
me a heads up because they have respect in knowing
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that I'm their top player. Now, if you're telling me
he's the one calling and making the trades and all that,
now I got something different. But for them to say,
we want to do this because Damien is not gonna
play next year, we know that we're trying to win.
The East is gonna be wide open. We want to
make something happened. This is some of the stuff we're
looking at. What do you think about him? What do
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you think about that? And and I don't think he
went out of his way to be phony, like, oh
my god, I can't believe this happened. He just said basically,
I didn't like the way it happened, rather than I
don't I don't like it, or they blindsided me.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's phony.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I don't know it was handled.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Well, no, no, no, But I'm talking about saying I
was blind sided, like I don't know anything about this.
I'm like, like, he didn't at least go that far
where you say, now, you're straight up lying. If you
told me that the Milwaukee Bucks are making moves and
they have included Jannie at all, that I would take
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as bs if he if he really tried to run
that out there, I wouldn't have said what he said.
I'm with you that you'd be better off not saying
what I'm saying something from him. But he did say
something today, which is he's excited about the moves, so
that is a positive thing and he wants to move forward.
(24:05):
So you kind of as the face of the team,
you gotta kind of have to say something because people
want to know, well, what does Giannis think about this?
You know, if you don't say anything, then that's kind
of weird that a major player was waved with one
hundred and thirteen million dollars on his contract and you
have no comment whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I think that's weird.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Yannis doesn't really miss at the podium, right, Remember Tyrese
Haliburton's dad the whole issue, and then Jannis went up
there and just basically essentially said he was excited it
was his son making a magical moment. I appreciate that
we talked, we wrapped it up, We move on. Yannis
usually shoots about not he's better at that than he
ends at the free throw line.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
But this is what I mean.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
I get your poor That's when you say, yo, me
and Dad gave it a good run, which the best
boom boom playing it done. But oh, I don't like
how they handled it. That almost sounds as if you're saying,
I want you to still be here. I still I
don't like the way they had Like what they don't.
They gave him a bunch of money, They allowed him
to go anywhere he wants.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
He being dame, he can now.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Get a minimum deal so a team can get out
of player like he's in a great situation.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
So I don't like how they handled it. What does
that mean? And the only other option is like, do
you don't like that they released.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Him because they handled it pretty well in Dame's favor
in that regard. So, uh, I just I just think
this this is only gonna get messier as far as
what comes out. Not obviously, they're moving on and Dame
will rehab and eventually a land wherever he lands, and
the Bucks will try to compete, even they they just
signed Bobby Portis twice by signing Bobby ports and then
signing Miles Turner. But I just think this is going
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it's gonna get messier, messier for Dame. By the way, boy,
I tell you, we're in a unique age where we
got some usually some very grown men and and and
and you know, well respected men, and it's a different
eraor you gotta like read through cod and emojis nowadays,
rob like we got.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I don't remember players commenting when other plays was get released.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I don't remember that happened in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
We were talking, remember when Michael Parsons was talking about
LaMarcus H.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Taylor and uh Lawrence.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
I'm not trying to say yeah it was he was
talking about oh man, that man's money and this that
and good good Grittan's glad he's left. It's been some
some strange conversations.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Uh, DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
What I'm trying to say over with players over the
last you know, just the kind of this era now
like jumping out and I have to say.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I just think there's a GM and an owner and
all that. Man leave that to them. That's what they
get paid for. If somebody asked you about Dame or
ask you, hey, are you surprised that that you know,
they moved on from him or whatever, you could have
a response. You know what, I thought this was gonna
be a great match, and it just I don't know
if we just didn't get to where we thought they
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we would be. But this is a little surprising to
me that he's not going to be on the team
or whatever, you know, from the standpoint like something like that.
So I understand that, but but I think you're better
off not it's too messy. You don't want to be
in there where people believe like you're running everything, you're
moving all the parts, you're the GD facto GM. Because
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that's where Lebron fell in when they got with all
their young players, and every year it's just a bad
and then not.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Coach out the blue, it'll be a coach that you're like, wait,
what exactly exactly aported that stuff for the most part.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And I think this is why I'm saying they might
get ugly for.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Just he might start because just say this this run,
they start off ten and fifteen, it's not looking good.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
And then he starts complaining. I just think this might
be the.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
First run of a pretty pretty flawless as far as
PR what Yani is throughout the years. This next little
season for him, and by season, I mean era might
be where a couple of mishaps things he didn't say
weird issues with teammates because he overall hadn't had too
much of that. Now that Adrian Griffin thing was another
(27:59):
thing too, because like you got y'all let him go
to bring in doc and who I didn't see that
with the sense of that was either. But I just
think this, this last couple of years with Giannis will
be interesting because he has pretty much an infallible run
as far as the PR side of things, and it
might change.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, it is. It is definitely one of those things.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You don't want to get too worked up and have
too many people thinking you're running everything. Whose method of
roster pressure do you prefer in the shadows like Giannis
or out in the open like Lebron?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Which one?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
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While I'm just assuming and you might earn No, not yet, don't.
Maybe go on a campaign.
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Thank you right there, Alex, very nice, Alex. That was
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Speaker 4 (33:03):
Sorry ahead, Clinton Kershaw, Clayton Kershaw. Yeah, man, tonight, will
it be the night? It better be the night?
Speaker 6 (33:12):
He only needs three rocks if the three strikeouts tonight
it was a rough night.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yes, And and you.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Know it's a it's a benchmark in in Major League Baseball.
A lot of people don't get there, but three thousand
strikeouts is an amazing feet only Yeah, nineteen guys, I
was just gonna say that, and only four lefty c C. Sabathia,
Randy Johnson, and Steve Carlton, I mean, all great pitchers.
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And then to do it with the same team. And
Kershaw has only been a Dodger, So only three guys
have done that. Walter Johnson, who obviously uh is one
of the all time greats with the Washington Senators, and
Bob Gibson uh one of the all time great pictures
of course with the Saint Louis Cardinals. And but I
(34:01):
think when people look at There's two things you want
to talk about, and one is his legacy, because for
a while it wasn't good, like as good as he is,
the three Cy Youngs and all the other stuff that
he accomplished. You know, Kershaw had this reputation of not
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being able to win big games.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
In the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
And you know that you've been around here and the
Dodgers up until really last year, because they won in
twenty twenty, but when they wanted twenty twenty, then once
it's nineteen eighty eight, and now they've won two in
the last five years, so things feel different, even though
they've won a ton of divisions in a row, right,
like they own the NL West. And his resume, Clayton
(34:48):
Kershaw is spectacular. I mean it just it's hard to
look at him and I think we're looking at one
of the great pictures of.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Generation.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
You know what I mean from the standpoint I said,
he's a ten time All Star, three National League Cy
Young Awards for the best Pitcher, he was the twenty
fourteen Most Valuable Player, and he won.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Two World Series. Now right, I mean, like Kershar does
he count? Last year? Was he does he?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Okay, he was on a team, he it counts, it counts, Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
So he's got two World Series and his earn run
average career two point five one, which is incredible, you know,
in this day and age with the way people swing
the bat and all that, and he's been incredible led
the league and wins three times, e R ray leader
five times, strikeout leader three.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Times, and he pitched a no hitter.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
So he has all these things, and yet the postseason
you talk about all the time about making your name
is in the postseason and until he finally won in
twenty twenty, where he was and.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
He was a part of it.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
He pitched well in.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Beating Tampa Bay in that World Series that was during
the COVID year, and I covered it in Arlington, Texas,
and what I think, only thousand fans.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
It was very strange.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I was there was very subdued and.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Different, and fourteen thousand people only could be in the building.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
But they won. And I still think that that helped
to erase.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
All of the damage that was done in the postseason
because a he'd finally won, but he also pitched well.
So when I look at Clayton Kershaw and his legacy,
I'm going to think of him as one of the
all time greats, and getting in this exclusive club of
three thousand strikeouts only cement him even further as one
(36:52):
of the great pitchers of our generation.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Without a doubt, And I think that's clear cutting as
one of the you know, the great things about it
if you're him, is when everyone agrees that not a
single person undermines how great he is, not even me. Yeah,
not even you, and I don't even know who you
are right now. I thought I was getting ready to
have to hear Alex. I thought I was gonna hear
wan wah wah wah wah this whole time, and in fact,
I didn't heart That's what I thought I was about
(37:16):
to hear.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
But I heard you split some backs.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
So I just want to add a couple of things
to kind of contextualize what you're saying. So Clayton Kershaw,
I think is even better than the person I'm gonna name,
But I think you'll get what I mean by the
narrative if you go looking at it from a basketball standpoint.
He was kind of the James Harden where, dude, we're
seeing some epic all time greatness, leading league in points
(37:39):
and assists, MVP winner, multiple MVP finalists, and we're just like, man,
he's doing things offensively. We really haven't seen like this,
But man, is it underwhelming in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Something just isn't right. It's not clicking.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
And Clayton's has a thirteen and thirteen playoff record of
five hundred. But here's the challenge, and you know this,
his era goes up drastically. It's four point four to
nine in the postseason and thirty.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Two five one exactly. Were e al right, two five one.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
And you're like, okay, that can't be like, that's a
drastic difference, right, two five to one, but in the
postseason or as two point eight, So okay, I can
deal with that. You know, maybe some pressurized moments, you know,
I get it. And that has been the problem. And
it wasn't just simply Rob that, hey, you know, he
gives up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
It was that he had.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Very memorable losses and specifically, as you knew, and the
joke was the seventh inning, here comes the seventh inning
with Kershaw. Oh here comes to say, even Dodger fans
who love and adore the man and his family would go,
who I'm nervous the seventh inning, and so that became
the thing for him. It happened in twenty fourteen and
(38:49):
the Nlds against the Cardinals, and he gave up multiple
home runs in crucial settings. He happened in the twenty
seven season, twenty seventeen postseason.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
You also remember that astro, right, I.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Mean down to twenty seventeen, that's what And I won
the Jordans from Chris That was the one.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Up.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yes, I'll never forget that one because Kershaw. And that's
when the Nationals went on to win.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Yeah, who is that one? Every time we turned around
he was giving up a home run. It was like,
was that the Washington Nationals with that one in twenty nineteen?
That's the one you're talking about? Twenty nineteen the Nationals. Yeah,
twenty seventeen was a different one there. But my point is, yeah,
twenty nineteen is the one you're talking about. But he
just had these moments where you're like that that can't
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be the lasting playoff moment.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I think of plating Kershaw.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
And so for him and the team to exercise the
demons in twenty twenty and him they able to have
some success and be a part of it, I think
helped him. And I actually think it was a universal side, Rob,
And I think this is rare where you get a
universal side relief like, Okay, that guy got one, you
know what I mean, And that guy was able to
be a part of a winning season because so many
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people like him, so many people love what he does,
him and his wife and the charite of the Kirshall Foundation,
and had just been a heck of a career. Then
I think there was a universal side of relief that
he finally was able to get it done, get that
monkey off his back. Now here's what's become interesting. They
win last year and he even joked like I'm the
happiest I've ever been. And I wasn't even a part
of it, because even iber he was injured, couldn't do
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anything in the postseason. He pitchedhim during the regular season,
but not during the postseason. And he has been so elated.
You've been here now for like ten years. I've been
here for fourteen years. Never seen him this elated, joyous
even and crying and emotional, had just screaming and going
crazy at the parade. And I think that's because Rob,
(40:40):
you know how meticulous he was everybody knew, don't talk
to him, don't do anything on a kersh all day.
He has to be out at the you know, warming
up at this time, and at twenty two he needs
to be doing this, and at four twenty eighty and
he's just so would tight that I think he finally
was able to just enjoy baseball, you know what I mean,
just enjoy the ride.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So that was awesome scene because he had won in
twenty twenty, you know what I mean, Like if he
if he hadn't won, they hadn't won that one and
he couldn't pitch in last year's right, I think it
would probably would have drove him crazy.
Speaker 6 (41:11):
Eating him, eating him alive, I agree, But having that
one off, that monkey off his back and having that
one in his back pocket.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
He was able to enjoy it.
Speaker 6 (41:17):
So he's been he's been spectacular. He is embodied, which
is why I think the Dodgers robed kind of doing
a Laker move, and that there have been moments where
do you let him go? Does he come back? Do
you just say, hey, man, look bro, we don't want
to make this look back. Can you just go on
and have a you know, let's just have had a
great career now like last season he could have Duke.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
He went off a champion.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
Now he's back trying to get to three thousand, and
obviously he wants to and he's competing.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
I think he's four and oh this season so far too.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
So here's the other thing too.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
That we should talk about real quickly, and then we'll
get to some of your calls on on Clayton Kershew
just where he fits in. Some people are thinking that
there might not be another pitcher, right, you know, to
be able to.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Reach that.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
You already have.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Justin Erlander and Max Schurz are currently active pitchers who
have reached the three thousand strikeouts. And after Kershaw, who's
obviously three strikeouts away, the next closest is the Braves
Chris Sayle, and he's got twenty five two thy five
hundred and twenty eight, so he's got away Garrett Cole
with the Yankees two hundred and fifty one. And you know,
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some people are saying we'll never see another guy strike
out three thousand. I disagree, and I know you guys.
Yesterday we kind of touched on this a little.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Bit, and I brought up Tark's.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Schoobel with the Tigers, and people are like, well, guys
don't pitch as long into games, and that's why they
don't think he'll get it. But Targ didn't have to
pitch nine and is to get thirteen strikeouts. This is
in this era right now, Kelvin. People are more apt
to swing big, you know what I mean? And strikeouts
aren't looked at as negative as they used to be.
(42:58):
Where you used to try to put the ball and
play right you want to you don't want to ground
You rather ground out a flyout than strikeout.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
That's not where it is now.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
So so you can get ten strikeouts in six innings,
or as Targ school Schooble did, was thirteen strikeouts in
seven innings, do you know what I mean? Like like,
you don't need as many innings pitch to get as
many strikeouts.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
So I do believe there will be a talent and a.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Schemes or a Schoolbul or somebody of that ilk who
will have a chance to get that many strikeouts because
they're that good. So I'm not closing the book on
three thousand strikeouts.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
I'm closing a book like a terrible new book you
got at an airport on for you when you're going
on that plane ride slamming it, Rob, it ain't happen. Cappen, no,
sir uh. And and do you minute you brought up
schoobl you can also bring up pause games. They did
some number crunching and you look at it. Those are
the strikeout leaders from last season. So Scooble, he got
two hundred and twenty five k's, it would and he
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had an outstanding and we know that it would take
him over thirteen rob thirteen more of those same.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Exact seasons to reach thirteen thousand.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
That means he has to be the best pitcher in
baseball for thirteen more seasons just to get there. And
then is Paul's games. I was just gonna give you
his numbers real quick. He had two hundred and eighty
strikeouts last year's in two hundred and thirty nineties pitch
he would have to have. He would have get to
two thousand, three hundred if he was at that same
rate another thirteen so it.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Would be But that's but that's a great pitcher, right
as who pitched that long they pitched Baseball's different like,
but this is only twenty.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
And one hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Rob, No, but I'm saying but of and I'm not
saying everybody's gonna do it, but to say that nobody
in the history of baseball's ever gonna get to that mark, I.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Disagree, all right.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
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What is Clayton Kershaw's legacy? To you?
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Choker in the postseason, one of the all time greats
of our generation?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Where are you?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
And do you think we'll ever see another three thousand
strikeout picture? Kelvin says no, I say, yes, where are you?
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Let's go big show, and let me welcome in my
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Speaker 4 (02:04):
That's right, man, what's up? Happy? Uh?
Speaker 6 (02:07):
What worship Wednesday? And uh man, it's been a it's
been a day for the.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Whole crew, our whole little crew.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Everybody's gonna have something happen today. But you know what,
we persevere and here we are no doubt.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It has been a crazy Wednesday as the holidays about
to kick off and all that. So man, we'll get
through it. We got a great show for you today.
We have a lot of stuff to get to I'm
looking forward to it. Let's welcome in Kelvin, our Odd
Couple crew, because we wouldn't be able to do them
without we wouldn't be able to do this find radio
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Speaker 2 (02:41):
I'll get it out. Rob g is our producer is
in instead in the studio. Wow, Alex of.
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Course is our engineer. Martin Weiss is at the anchor desk.
He'll keep us updated. And Saga, that's right, Saga is
our social media guru. And for Elijah, who's still on vacation.
There you go, Oh, that's for Elijah, not for Saga.
So a lot of stuff to get to.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Kelvin. We could just kick it off the news of
the day. You want to introduce it the news of
the day.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Well, yeah, the news of the day would be that
the New York Knickerbockers went ahead and finally got a
coach after all this time. And that coach would be
one none other than Mike Brown. He is now the
head coach for the next and uh, this is you know,
coming after some weeks of trying to find one, which
was interesting when they let Tims go.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Who would it be?
Speaker 6 (03:39):
There are some bigger names out there you thought that
would be in consideration that weren't. And then we know
Rob also that they had had a list of a
handful of people that some never even were able to
get interviews, some were able to.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Get already had jobs, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Like, yeah, a team likeel Like you're looking to talk
to No, No, he's under contract.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
You can't be calling him. Hey, hello, Rockets, is email available?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Right? Jason kidd? I know you got a new contract
with the and.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
A number one draft pick coming up.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Yeah, exactly, Like yeah, so they had a crazy Yeah,
they had a few. Quinn Snyder would be another one,
Taylor Jenkins, a lot of a haldful of people who
had some They did have some meetings and took some interviews,
but at the end of the day, Mike Brown got
the the opportunity. So yeah, so there you have it.
They got their guy that they believe will lead them
to the future.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
What say you, Okay, if I'm a New York Knicks
fan today, I am melancholy.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I am a Debbie Downer.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I am distraught because Mike Brown really the Knicks. You know,
Mike Brown's been around, what is this his fifth start?
It's gonna be like his fifth fifth team, I should say.
I know he did the Cavs twice, but this will
be like his fifth time being a head coach, and
very he seldom Kelvin Washington, does a coach win a
(05:04):
championship after making that many stops?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Okay, it just normally doesn't happen that way.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I can think of one guy it's happened too, and
that's about it, off the top of my head, who
made numerous stops and won later on in his career.
So the Knicks wanted Larry Brown, but I think they
got closer to Charlie Brown by hiring Mike Brown. I mean,
Larry Brown did it. Larry Brown won the Pistons with
(05:32):
the championship with the Pistons later after being with a
lot of teams, but he ain't Larry Brown. Larry Brown
also won a championship in college. Larry Brown's the only
coach who won in the NBA and in college basketball.
So you're talking about a select group. Mike Brown hasn't
won anything, zero zip naw. And they thought they had
(05:54):
something going and Sacramento couldn't win the big game, right.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
There were a couple of times where you thought the.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
King's gonna They're gonna beat up Warriors and move on.
No way, no how, I don't know how you get excited.
To me, it feels like the Knicks went to kick
the football and they got it pulled from them.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
They missed it.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I mean, I'm all for getting rid of TIBs. I
told you.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
That that after they lost the first two games in
the Eastern Conference Finals at home, including that debacle in
Game one fourteen points with two thirty eight to go,
I have no issue with them being fired, but to
hire another guy who's been around for a while, had
these teams, never really has won anything, coached you know,
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in Cleveland and.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Coached for the Lakers and all that.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
When the Lakers think he got fired in the second year,
right after five or six games, you remember that disaster.
So my point is, if you're Nick Nation or whatever
you want to call themselves, Nick faithful or whatever, my god,
is that all they came away with Mike Brown.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I'm sorry, I'm not with it.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Look, if they're Nick faithful, if they're Nick faithful, they
out here about to be Nick looking at other things
right now, Nick cheating, They ain't about to be faithful
right now.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Rob.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
This is a couple of things. So you touched on
something I want to go back to. I'm not gonna
act like Tom Thibodeau was Phil Jackson. I said that
during in real time. You now my thing was all right?
Then if you have to have in my opinion, of playing,
if we're letting it go a guy who's had the
most success there in twenty two years, he has now
surpassed Pat Riley for the most wins, fourth most wins
(07:37):
in NICK history. He had eleven playoff wins. He had
four appearances in five seasons. So you had a guy
who was creating something, who had gotten you all the
way to game and a half.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Away from the finals.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
So to me, okay, you're letting them go to get
and this was my concern.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
This was my issue.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
And they went from you know, going to New York
going to see some huge Broadway plays.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
To going to see a community center play.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Now you got Mike Brown, who's some of the highlights
on his career.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
He got Coach of the Year in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Pretty easy to get a Coach of the Year or
at least be a candidate when you got that era
of Lebron James right. Then you go to the Warriors
for a few when Kirk Steve Kerr was going through
some things. You coach there for a little bit, so
you get some wins with them, But after that, to me,
it's been underachieving.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
You underachieved with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
You had that same team that came back from an
NBA Finals appearance, NBA Championship, and you underachieved with them.
Then the next year, as you mentioned, you only coach
five games. You underachieved the Sacramento with some really good
two all NBA guys and some Bonus and dearon Fox
and some mother players quality players as well. When they
got around was at the two seed you lost in
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the playoffs. So to me, you wentn't got a guy
that's one of those well who always get a good job.
Everybody seems to like him, seems to be a nice guy.
And I'm not even saying he's not a solid coach.
There's thirty jobs. Somebody has to have a job. But
for a Nick team that had a chance to get
back in the Eastern Conference and finals and maybe get
(09:08):
to the finals because the East is wide open, this
to me did not womy.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
This did not move the needle.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
And if as you mentioned, as a Knick fan, I
would be like wait what, and I would actually be upset.
And this goes back to James Dolan mentioning we just
do weird things, he himself, sometimes we overreact, sometimes we
chase the shining thing. And to me, he did it
again by overreacting, chasing the shining thing and getting rid
of somebody who again, fine, fine, then you have to
(09:34):
have a better plan and contingency plan. And I didn't
see that, And this is why the Knicks be nicking.
This is why the Knicks be nicking and ruin.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Up the situation.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
The one thing I hear you, I'm gonna disagree, though.
I'm sorry with the Tibbs. You know, you say you
got wins. Pat Rodley took the Knicks to the finals
like this, you know, like so so.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
He can have more wins than Pat Roley and all
this other stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But Robb was on but after they No, I'm just
saying I don't have any issue once they lost that series,
and I'm just saying they all had expectations after they
beat Celtics that they were.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Going to the finals.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
And then you lose game one in that fashion and
then you being a coach, hey, you can shake off
one game, right, It's only one game. They lost Game
two at home and that was the series. So I
don't have an issue with them firing them. What I
do is I have an issue with going out to
get a coach who has a track record of not winning.
That that's the issue I have. And I think that's
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where you got to look at it and go and
I get it. There aren't a million coaches with a
championship trophy in their back pocket, and I talked about
Michael Malone and I guess they had some bad blood
or something before, so you know, I guess they held
that against them, and which is fine if they wanted
to do that, but I would have to if and
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once they talked to the players and the exit interviews
and they felt like Tims had to go because that's
what this was.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
This wasn't a plan.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
They just signed a guy in the offseason to a
new extension, so this.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Was not the plan. They thought they had their guy.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You gotta remember their president and GM used to be
was his agent, you know what I mean, Like they
have a relationship. They didn't do this just just because
they were scheming to do this all along. This thing happened,
they didn't get to the finals, and then they talked
to the players on the way out who weren't feeling
tips enough to make them say, you know what, let's
(11:27):
give them another shot at this. So I don't have
the issue with the firing. I just think there were
other people or take a chance. I'd even take a
chance on somebody who you really believe might have that
it thing and might be the new hotness rather than
a retread who hasn't been able to get over the hump.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You're gonna look back at this.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
There are people in New York, you know, hoping and
wishing going maybe this is like when the Yankees hired
Joe Tory and everybody was down on Joe Tory. The
headline in the Daily News in New York when Joe
Torrey got hired for the Ankees was clueless Joe, and
he went on to win five World Series, right, well,
four or five World Series with the Yankees. Four uh so,
(12:10):
so people are hoping that it's that, you know, like
it wasn't a popular higher. But he also had Derek
Jeter and Maria No right, come in, good man, Andy Pettitt.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I mean they had that group was special. There's that
was a special group. Five guys that came up to you,
joege Pisada. I'm one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
So Joe, you want to get them all the flowers,
that's fine. But but the group that he had that
was developed in the Yankees minor league system was different.
This Nick team was ready to win last year. They
made all the moves, all the picks from Michel Bridges.
They made the trade for Cat Kelvin. This was supposed
to be it and it didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
And my my only thing we were not. I'm not
overly mad at the firing and it since again I
don't think he is the greatest coach of all time.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
You let him go. My issue I've told you was
what was the plan?
Speaker 6 (13:02):
But also I'll say this, this is where we will
absolutely fundamentally disagree. I The firing would suggest that maybe
all of a sudden they're like, oh I lean more
to Maybe there were some players issue Karl Anthony Towns
who also had the same agent, maybe upset he didn't
get some crucial minutes in the game.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
In the game, I can understand that.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
But to me, I don't like the firing when it
comes to saying the expectations. Dude, nobody thought the Knicks
were getting to the finals before the season and even
during the playoffs. I get what you're saying, they beat
the Celtics, now you have to go to But what
I'm saying against ch you got to a game six
against a eventual really good team and his pacers. Maybe
we all undermes ed them all year. That to me
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doesn't signal firing cues.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I agree with you on that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I agree that you could lose to the Pacier, but
you can't give up a fourteen point lead at home
with two thirty eight. That is the If you don't
get fired off of that, Kelvin, you'll never get there
could be no reason to fire you. I'm that is
that is an all time choke job. Would you agree
with that?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Damn told?
Speaker 6 (14:05):
I mean, yeah, I mean it was one and whatever,
but you know, I told you I think it was
more of a pacer. That's a story for another day,
but I just it's gonna be what. They had one
playoff win series in twenty two years. I believe it
was the Knicks prior to him, and to me, they
should have another because they're the East is wide open.
But don't put yourself back in a situation where you're
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no longer relevant. We all enjoy the Knicks being relevant.
It's good for the NBA. And so I just didn't
like the hire of Mike Brown for this situation.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Not that Mike Brown couldn't.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Be the Hornets or the Jazz or some other coach,
but specifically for a Nick team that realistically has championship aspirations,
I didn't like to hire.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
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three minutes or so, one's gotta go, and that'll be interesting.
One's got to go. I see what you're doing here
on that topic as we spend today. Yeah, uh, touching
everybody on the show.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
But let's go here to the NBA will continue to
talk about you know, moves and stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And you heard earlier Eddie House was really impressed by
what the Bucks did.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And you know there were people I.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Guess uh Jannis supposedly told, was it Chris Haynes, Yes,
inside of Chris Haynes, that he didn't like the way
it was handled, but he didn't say he didn't like it.
And then today basically said he was excited about the
moves that the Bucks have made, uh, still saying that
he's not a part of making these decisions or whatever. Basically,
(17:48):
you know the front office is doing that stuff. Uh,
you have a problem with the way uh Janice has
handled this, I'm assuming here.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Yeah, well my thing is this because then there you know,
you can kind of you know how this goes. Rob
there's report to the report, and in a response to
the report of the report by this person in the response,
So then you got the latest Ramona Shellburn. She had
put out there that he was not pleased and that
he actually that he was not pleased with Markey's decision
(18:17):
to wave Lillard and then he just didn't like how
it was handled, as you mentioned. And then you have
natro Lebri response from Damian Lillard under Ramona's tweet out there,
he responded with it kind of using that character in
the movie, his nod of resignation, like yeah, sure, all right.
So as if Damien is saying no, he knew what
(18:41):
was up. He knew the whole time. And it kind
of goes to conversation you and I were having yesterday.
The Bucks are doing this, Giannis means too much, he's
too big, he's the being a part time GM de facto,
and that they're talking to him. If they're trying to
keep him, they're gonna do whatever it takes to make
him happy. Right, This is what we're doing. This what
we're thinking, This is what we're considering. These are the
(19:03):
options we have. What do you think? What do you
agree with? We're thinking about getting Miles Turner, which he
said he liked that move there.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
He was excited about that.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
And they're gonna move Damien, he has to be on
the know, especially if they're gonna take eat a bunch
of one hundred plus dollars one hundred twelve million dollars,
whatever it is. So my thing is this, I don't
like that end of it to act as if you
didn't know to act well. I didn't like I was
handled if you indeed were you know, know about this,
And I know over the final last five six years
or so, with Lebron kind of getting to that point
in his career, with it's only championships that matter every year,
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every team, we all go, well, we know there are
a bunch of guys that could be expendable. We know
Lebron is at this point willing to do anything for
a championship. And I guess for me, and it can
be Lebron, it could be somebody in the NFL quarterback
who's on that same trajectory. I'd rather know at the
end of the season, like yo, unless I'm you know, Luca,
(19:55):
I could go somewhere, I could be traded, I could
be released, i could be cut. I'd rather know it
and know what I'm facing then to think we're trying
to come back battle this thing out, you know, and
I'll get healthy.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
If I'm Damian.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Lillard and we'll come back and make this thing happen,
or if we just had a conversation like yo, man,
you and I both know this ain't working.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I'd rather move on.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
You'd be rather move on the team is willing to,
you know, try to move this thing on so you
can go.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You saying Lebron handles stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
No, I'm saying I would rather Giannis had done that.
I'm saying come to him. And then the act is
if he didn't know act I don't like he was handled.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I feel as though if you're Dame, who is tended
to be a straight up kind of guy, I think
he feels as if that was sneaky by Yanni's and
now acting like you didn't know because you can't tell
me he's all in. They're gonna communicate with Yiannis. He's
the organization, he's a team, which means he knows. And
then at all, I ain't like how they handled it
all that's kind of crazy. Oh what I'd rather you
(20:50):
straight up come to me like, yo, man, do you
feel me like this isn't working? You would degree, I think,
and let's just part ways or just to be straight
up like I'm not.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Happy with where the team is, y'all have to make moves.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Then the act like you're just so dumbfounded by this,
because to me, that comes off a little sneaky. I'd
rather every time We know everybody's expendable. We're trying to
do whatever it takes a win. What we got right
now enough and anybody can get it. If you're brandon Ingram,
if you're Kyle Kuzma, if you're Julius Randall on the Lakers,
you're expendable. I'd rather at least know that than to
(21:20):
think it's all good while I'm rehabbing and this happened Rob.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
All right, Well, Kelvin, we've tried this show for the
last ten months. I gotta tell you, I don't think
it's working out.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And I'm just gonna tell you straightforward to your face
on the show. Is that good? Is that now?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Now? You could have called me that you could have caught.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I'm just said.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
You're responding to my text because right now all I
hear is woo wah, wah wah.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
That's that's all I hear from you.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I wanted to hear what you're gonna say on that one.
Yeah you want to hear it like that?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, Coy, that's not Howard, That's not how it works.
And you know this if you're Dame Lily right, come on, man.
Giannis is their franchise player. The same way Lebron can
act like he didn't know a d or ow I
was in the dark.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I don't know what the move the Lakers are making
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I don't buy into all that, or when they trade
away half the team for him, as if he didn't
have anything.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
To do with it.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
My point is, did you have a front office, you
have an owner, you have all this stuff that's for
them to do. You don't have to feel like you
have to sign off on everything and put that's not
the onus is on me. They did they come and
ask me or tell me that they're looking to do something.
They didn't ask me for approval. They're they're just giving
me a heads up because they have respect in knowing
(22:43):
that I'm their top player. Now, if you're telling me
he's the one calling and making the trades and all that,
now I got something different. But for them to say,
we want to do this because Damien is not gonna
play next year, we know that we're trying to win.
The East is gonna be wide open. We want to
make something happened. This is some of the stuff we're
looking at. What do you think about him? What do
(23:03):
you think about that? And and I don't think he
went out of his way to be phony, like, oh
my god, I can't believe this happened. He just said basically,
I didn't like the way it happened, rather than I
don't I don't like it, or they blindsided me.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's phony.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I don't know it was handled.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Well, no, no, no, But I'm talking about saying I
was blind sided, like I don't know anything about this.
I'm like, like, he didn't at least go that far
where you say, now, you're straight up lying. If you
told me that the Milwaukee Bucks are making moves and
they have included Jannie at all, that I would take
(23:44):
as bs if he if he really tried to run
that out there, I wouldn't have said what he said.
I'm with you that you'd be better off not saying
what I'm saying something from him. But he did say
something today, which is he's excited about the moves, so
that is a positive thing and he wants to move forward.
(24:05):
So you kind of as the face of the team,
you gotta kind of have to say something because people
want to know, well, what does Giannis think about this?
You know, if you don't say anything, then that's kind
of weird that a major player was waved with one
hundred and thirteen million dollars on his contract and you
have no comment whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I think that's weird.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Yannis doesn't really miss at the podium, right, Remember Tyrese
Haliburton's dad the whole issue, and then Jannis went up
there and just basically essentially said he was excited it
was his son making a magical moment. I appreciate that
we talked, we wrapped it up, We move on. Yannis
usually shoots about not he's better at that than he
ends at the free throw line.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
But this is what I mean.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
I get your poor That's when you say, yo, me
and Dad gave it a good run, which the best
boom boom playing it done. But oh, I don't like
how they handled it. That almost sounds as if you're saying,
I want you to still be here. I still I
don't like the way they had Like what they don't.
They gave him a bunch of money, They allowed him
to go anywhere he wants.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
He being dame, he can now.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Get a minimum deal so a team can get out
of player like he's in a great situation.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
So I don't like how they handled it. What does
that mean? And the only other option is like, do
you don't like that they released.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Him because they handled it pretty well in Dame's favor
in that regard. So, uh, I just I just think
this this is only gonna get messier as far as
what comes out. Not obviously, they're moving on and Dame
will rehab and eventually a land wherever he lands, and
the Bucks will try to compete, even they they just
signed Bobby Portis twice by signing Bobby ports and then
signing Miles Turner. But I just think this is going
(25:37):
it's gonna get messier, messier for Dame. By the way, boy,
I tell you, we're in a unique age where we
got some usually some very grown men and and and
and you know, well respected men, and it's a different
eraor you gotta like read through cod and emojis nowadays,
rob like we got.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I don't remember players commenting when other plays was get released.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I don't remember that happened in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
We were talking, remember when Michael Parsons was talking about
LaMarcus H.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Taylor and uh Lawrence.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
I'm not trying to say yeah it was he was
talking about oh man, that man's money and this that
and good good Grittan's glad he's left. It's been some
some strange conversations.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Uh, DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
What I'm trying to say over with players over the
last you know, just the kind of this era now
like jumping out and I have to say.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I just think there's a GM and an owner and
all that. Man leave that to them. That's what they
get paid for. If somebody asked you about Dame or
ask you, hey, are you surprised that that you know,
they moved on from him or whatever, you could have
a response. You know what, I thought this was gonna
be a great match, and it just I don't know
if we just didn't get to where we thought they
(26:49):
we would be. But this is a little surprising to
me that he's not going to be on the team
or whatever, you know, from the standpoint like something like that.
So I understand that, but but I think you're better
off not it's too messy. You don't want to be
in there where people believe like you're running everything, you're
moving all the parts, you're the GD facto GM. Because
(27:13):
that's where Lebron fell in when they got with all
their young players, and every year it's just a bad
and then not.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Coach out the blue, it'll be a coach that you're like, wait,
what exactly exactly aported that stuff for the most part.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And I think this is why I'm saying they might
get ugly for.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Just he might start because just say this this run,
they start off ten and fifteen, it's not looking good.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
And then he starts complaining. I just think this might
be the.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
First run of a pretty pretty flawless as far as
PR what Yani is throughout the years. This next little
season for him, and by season, I mean era might
be where a couple of mishaps things he didn't say
weird issues with teammates because he overall hadn't had too
much of that. Now that Adrian Griffin thing was another
(27:59):
thing too, because like you got y'all let him go
to bring in doc and who I didn't see that
with the sense of that was either. But I just
think this, this last couple of years with Giannis will
be interesting because he has pretty much an infallible run
as far as the PR side of things, and it
might change.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, it is. It is definitely one of those things.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You don't want to get too worked up and have
too many people thinking you're running everything. Whose method of
roster pressure do you prefer in the shadows like Giannis
or out in the open like Lebron?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Which one?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
We'll coome to you that conversation next with you eight
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Wasn't that?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Doctor? Yeah?
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What was her name? Something Quinn medicine.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Medicine doctor, the medicine woman or something, No, woman, something
Quinn at the same doctor Quinn, medic Quinn.
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We were on our way. We were on our way, Alex, Yeah,
I just remember her.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Wasn't that the same lady that was in Hangover the
mom in Hangover or not Hangover? The wedding crasher kiddy cab,
won't it heard?
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Alex? Yeah, it's in color. That's why Rob Parker's never
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Right, Hey, and I do want to say, can we
can we send an odd couple shout out?
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Who we shouting to our big boss from Premiere, Julie Talbot,
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Give it up.
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You maybe too, yep, Colin, congratulations to him as well.
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But thirty years doing this? Are you in it? Look key?
While I'm just assuming and you might earn No, not yet, don't.
Maybe go on a campaign.
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You know, listen this man, I am the ultimate Lebron
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You know where to find me.
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There you go.
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Thank you right there, Alex, very nice, Alex. That was
all right on Tom. That's why the man.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Sorry ahead, Clinton Kershaw, Clayton Kershaw. Yeah, man, tonight, will
it be the night? It better be the night?
Speaker 6 (33:12):
He only needs three rocks if the three strikeouts tonight
it was a rough night.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yes, And and you.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Know it's a it's a benchmark in in Major League Baseball.
A lot of people don't get there, but three thousand
strikeouts is an amazing feet only Yeah, nineteen guys, I
was just gonna say that, and only four lefty c C. Sabathia,
Randy Johnson, and Steve Carlton, I mean, all great pitchers.
(33:40):
And then to do it with the same team. And
Kershaw has only been a Dodger, So only three guys
have done that. Walter Johnson, who obviously uh is one
of the all time greats with the Washington Senators, and
Bob Gibson uh one of the all time great pictures
of course with the Saint Louis Cardinals. And but I
(34:01):
think when people look at There's two things you want
to talk about, and one is his legacy, because for
a while it wasn't good, like as good as he is,
the three Cy Youngs and all the other stuff that
he accomplished. You know, Kershaw had this reputation of not
(34:22):
being able to win big games.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
In the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
And you know that you've been around here and the
Dodgers up until really last year, because they won in
twenty twenty, but when they wanted twenty twenty, then once
it's nineteen eighty eight, and now they've won two in
the last five years, so things feel different, even though
they've won a ton of divisions in a row, right,
like they own the NL West. And his resume, Clayton
(34:48):
Kershaw is spectacular. I mean it just it's hard to
look at him and I think we're looking at one
of the great pictures of.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Generation.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
You know what I mean from the standpoint I said,
he's a ten time All Star, three National League Cy
Young Awards for the best Pitcher, he was the twenty
fourteen Most Valuable Player, and he won.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Two World Series. Now right, I mean, like Kershar does
he count? Last year? Was he does he?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Okay, he was on a team, he it counts, it counts, Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
So he's got two World Series and his earn run
average career two point five one, which is incredible, you know,
in this day and age with the way people swing
the bat and all that, and he's been incredible led
the league and wins three times, e R ray leader
five times, strikeout leader three.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Times, and he pitched a no hitter.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
So he has all these things, and yet the postseason
you talk about all the time about making your name
is in the postseason and until he finally won in
twenty twenty, where he was and.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
He was a part of it.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
He pitched well in.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Beating Tampa Bay in that World Series that was during
the COVID year, and I covered it in Arlington, Texas,
and what I think, only thousand fans.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
It was very strange.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I was there was very subdued and.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Different, and fourteen thousand people only could be in the building.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
But they won. And I still think that that helped
to erase.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
All of the damage that was done in the postseason
because a he'd finally won, but he also pitched well.
So when I look at Clayton Kershaw and his legacy,
I'm going to think of him as one of the
all time greats, and getting in this exclusive club of
three thousand strikeouts only cement him even further as one
(36:52):
of the great pitchers of our generation.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Without a doubt, And I think that's clear cutting as
one of the you know, the great things about it
if you're him, is when everyone agrees that not a
single person undermines how great he is, not even me. Yeah,
not even you, and I don't even know who you
are right now. I thought I was getting ready to
have to hear Alex. I thought I was gonna hear
wan wah wah wah wah this whole time, and in fact,
I didn't heart That's what I thought I was about
(37:16):
to hear.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
But I heard you split some backs.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
So I just want to add a couple of things
to kind of contextualize what you're saying. So Clayton Kershaw,
I think is even better than the person I'm gonna name,
But I think you'll get what I mean by the
narrative if you go looking at it from a basketball standpoint.
He was kind of the James Harden where, dude, we're
seeing some epic all time greatness, leading league in points
(37:39):
and assists, MVP winner, multiple MVP finalists, and we're just like, man,
he's doing things offensively. We really haven't seen like this,
But man, is it underwhelming in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Something just isn't right. It's not clicking.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
And Clayton's has a thirteen and thirteen playoff record of
five hundred. But here's the challenge, and you know this,
his era goes up drastically. It's four point four to
nine in the postseason and thirty.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Two five one exactly. Were e al right, two five one.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
And you're like, okay, that can't be like, that's a
drastic difference, right, two five to one, but in the
postseason or as two point eight, So okay, I can
deal with that. You know, maybe some pressurized moments, you know,
I get it. And that has been the problem. And
it wasn't just simply Rob that, hey, you know, he
gives up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
It was that he had.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Very memorable losses and specifically, as you knew, and the
joke was the seventh inning, here comes the seventh inning
with Kershaw. Oh here comes to say, even Dodger fans
who love and adore the man and his family would go,
who I'm nervous the seventh inning, and so that became
the thing for him. It happened in twenty fourteen and
(38:49):
the Nlds against the Cardinals, and he gave up multiple
home runs in crucial settings. He happened in the twenty
seven season, twenty seventeen postseason.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
You also remember that astro, right, I.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Mean down to twenty seventeen, that's what And I won
the Jordans from Chris That was the one.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Up.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yes, I'll never forget that one because Kershaw. And that's
when the Nationals went on to win.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Yeah, who is that one? Every time we turned around
he was giving up a home run. It was like,
was that the Washington Nationals with that one in twenty nineteen?
That's the one you're talking about? Twenty nineteen the Nationals. Yeah,
twenty seventeen was a different one there. But my point is, yeah,
twenty nineteen is the one you're talking about. But he
just had these moments where you're like that that can't
(39:33):
be the lasting playoff moment.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I think of plating Kershaw.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
And so for him and the team to exercise the
demons in twenty twenty and him they able to have
some success and be a part of it, I think
helped him. And I actually think it was a universal side, Rob,
And I think this is rare where you get a
universal side relief like, Okay, that guy got one, you
know what I mean, And that guy was able to
be a part of a winning season because so many
(39:57):
people like him, so many people love what he does,
him and his wife and the charite of the Kirshall Foundation,
and had just been a heck of a career. Then
I think there was a universal side of relief that
he finally was able to get it done, get that
monkey off his back. Now here's what's become interesting. They
win last year and he even joked like I'm the
happiest I've ever been. And I wasn't even a part
of it, because even iber he was injured, couldn't do
(40:18):
anything in the postseason. He pitchedhim during the regular season,
but not during the postseason. And he has been so elated.
You've been here now for like ten years. I've been
here for fourteen years. Never seen him this elated, joyous
even and crying and emotional, had just screaming and going
crazy at the parade. And I think that's because Rob,
(40:40):
you know how meticulous he was everybody knew, don't talk
to him, don't do anything on a kersh all day.
He has to be out at the you know, warming
up at this time, and at twenty two he needs
to be doing this, and at four twenty eighty and
he's just so would tight that I think he finally
was able to just enjoy baseball, you know what I mean,
just enjoy the ride.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So that was awesome scene because he had won in
twenty twenty, you know what I mean, Like if he
if he hadn't won, they hadn't won that one and
he couldn't pitch in last year's right, I think it
would probably would have drove him crazy.
Speaker 6 (41:11):
Eating him, eating him alive, I agree, But having that
one off, that monkey off his back and having that
one in his back pocket.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
He was able to enjoy it.
Speaker 6 (41:17):
So he's been he's been spectacular. He is embodied, which
is why I think the Dodgers robed kind of doing
a Laker move, and that there have been moments where
do you let him go? Does he come back? Do
you just say, hey, man, look bro, we don't want
to make this look back. Can you just go on
and have a you know, let's just have had a
great career now like last season he could have Duke.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
He went off a champion.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
Now he's back trying to get to three thousand, and
obviously he wants to and he's competing.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
I think he's four and oh this season so far too.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
So here's the other thing too.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
That we should talk about real quickly, and then we'll
get to some of your calls on on Clayton Kershew
just where he fits in. Some people are thinking that
there might not be another pitcher, right, you know, to
be able to.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Reach that.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
You already have.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Justin Erlander and Max Schurz are currently active pitchers who
have reached the three thousand strikeouts. And after Kershaw, who's
obviously three strikeouts away, the next closest is the Braves
Chris Sayle, and he's got twenty five two thy five
hundred and twenty eight, so he's got away Garrett Cole
with the Yankees two hundred and fifty one. And you know,
(42:26):
some people are saying we'll never see another guy strike
out three thousand. I disagree, and I know you guys.
Yesterday we kind of touched on this a little.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Bit, and I brought up Tark's.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Schoobel with the Tigers, and people are like, well, guys
don't pitch as long into games, and that's why they
don't think he'll get it. But Targ didn't have to
pitch nine and is to get thirteen strikeouts. This is
in this era right now, Kelvin. People are more apt
to swing big, you know what I mean? And strikeouts
aren't looked at as negative as they used to be.
(42:58):
Where you used to try to put the ball and
play right you want to you don't want to ground
You rather ground out a flyout than strikeout.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
That's not where it is now.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
So so you can get ten strikeouts in six innings,
or as Targ school Schooble did, was thirteen strikeouts in
seven innings, do you know what I mean? Like like,
you don't need as many innings pitch to get as
many strikeouts.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
So I do believe there will be a talent and a.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Schemes or a Schoolbul or somebody of that ilk who
will have a chance to get that many strikeouts because
they're that good. So I'm not closing the book on
three thousand strikeouts.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
I'm closing a book like a terrible new book you
got at an airport on for you when you're going
on that plane ride slamming it, Rob, it ain't happen. Cappen, no,
sir uh. And and do you minute you brought up
schoobl you can also bring up pause games. They did
some number crunching and you look at it. Those are
the strikeout leaders from last season. So Scooble, he got
two hundred and twenty five k's, it would and he
(43:58):
had an outstanding and we know that it would take
him over thirteen rob thirteen more of those same.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Exact seasons to reach thirteen thousand.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
That means he has to be the best pitcher in
baseball for thirteen more seasons just to get there. And
then is Paul's games. I was just gonna give you
his numbers real quick. He had two hundred and eighty
strikeouts last year's in two hundred and thirty nineties pitch
he would have to have. He would have get to
two thousand, three hundred if he was at that same
rate another thirteen so it.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Would be But that's but that's a great pitcher, right
as who pitched that long they pitched Baseball's different like,
but this is only twenty.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
And one hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Rob, No, but I'm saying but of and I'm not
saying everybody's gonna do it, but to say that nobody
in the history of baseball's ever gonna get to that mark, I.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Disagree, all right.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
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Speaker 2 (44:54):
What is Clayton Kershaw's legacy? To you?
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Choker in the postseason, one of the all time greats
of our generation?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Where are you?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
And do you think we'll ever see another three thousand
strikeout picture? Kelvin says no, I say, yes, where are you?
We'll continue that conversation next with you. Eight seven seven
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