July 12, 2025 • 32 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether Kevin Durant's subtle shot at Michael Jordan on the Mind the Game podcast should be applauded, take Deion Sanders to task for suggesting that college football would benefit from an NIL salary cap, and argue whether Bronny James deserved to be on the marquee alongside Cooper Flagg ahead of their upcoming NBA Summer League game.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Kevin Durant was the latest guest on the Mind the
Game podcast. It was actually the second part of his
interview aired on Tuesday morning, and during the conversation, Kevin
Durant was discussing the importance of being committed and locked
in to the day to day process. That's part of
the reason why he's been able to play so long
(00:47):
while the bronv plays so long. Steph Curry, Guys like
that is because they understand that part of longevity means
falling in love with the process.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Well.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
During the course of his end.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
It's not because they don't play tough defense anymore and
it's easy to score than ever before.
Speaker 7 (01:01):
To see you the other During the course of his answer,
as he was explaining the importance of being locked in,
KD may or may not have taken a shot of
your favorite player.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Take a listen.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
You gotta recommit too to this game, just like you
sign a new contract every time you get better as
a player. Always, I truly feel that you got to
recommit and sign that contract with yourself every so often, like,
all right, you know I'm ten twelve years in, I
got full MVPs and faux championships, Like, but.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Do I still want to do that? You know what
I'm saying. Artist.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Some people say I don't want to go play baseball
and they don't want to come back. Some people say
I'm gonna go twenty two straight.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Go ahead. I want to go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
So this is always gonna be the hardest thing to
do is to hit a baseball, right yeah, Okay, whoa, well, no,
nobody might nobody debating that.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Okay, where did that come from? And you've just been
mad at somebody else we were talking about just a
moment ago, a couple of things here.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Uh so Katie obviously had some words for Jordan or
you know it took a shot at Jordan for sure.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
I mean clearly that was to Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
A couple of things I want to bring down here,
I think Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of
all time, and I think he is has been a
remarkable career, and I think Lebron you could argue, is
the best.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
That's the story for another day, but I.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Do just think cop out. Yes, I don't make them
because they're two different.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
No, it's not who's the greatest basketball player I ever
played in the NBA Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Okay, that that's that's what I want to hear. And
if you ask me who's the best, No, he's not
the best. And that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
It's like it's Steph Curry thing, he's the greatest shooter
of all time, But in the biggest spot when I
need a basket, I don't want him.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
To shoot because just doesn't make any sense because you're
simplifying something that's simple. Steph Curry makes ninety No, he
does shots that most people on earth can't make. No,
But if you asked for him to just take one, yeah,
I'm with you. Give me Reggie Miller, give me Damian
Liller is a handful. Larry Bird is that what makes
the greatest shooter? One shot does not make you the
greatest shot.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
It's about making he hasn't made one one shut show
what he hasn't made one.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
One shot does not make you the greatest shooter. That's
not even agree, And that's fine. You the one brought
up Steph Curry H. So back to what I was
trying to say. The only thing I'll say about this
is I do agree that I think we have lionized
Jordan and the fact that as if he was infallible,
nothing went wrong. And that's my only part will have
(03:39):
an issue with with Jordan's Uh.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Sounds like you didn't cover Michael because I was there
and he was not at the start of his career.
I could go back and show you newspaper stories when
he scored the sixties.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm talking no, no, no, nobody said he was perfect on
you want you want to go? I said, you can go,
So let me go Michael Jordan. I'm not talking about
on a night where he might have shot seven for
twenty five in real time. Yeah, I'm sure somebody had.
He was at it off night talking about now where
we now so far away from it. All we will
say is he was six to zero and I just
(04:11):
said he is the greatest. But I do think it's
okay to nitpick like we do when you're bringing up
the greatest of somebody. That means we have to find
small things to nitpick in the challenge, and my knicks
picks with Jordan would be a couple of things.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
One those seven.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Years that he didn't do anything where he was losing
the magic, he was losing Isaiah, who was losing the bird,
He was losing to these guys and losing to the
guys who were quote unquote better than him, were other
guys will be criticized for losing the people who we
thought were better than them. Hey, we will be criticized.
Why is he losing to Kobe, Why is he losing
this person? Why is he losing this stuff? Most people
get criticized, so that Jordan doesn't often get criticized for that.
(04:49):
I think that's a fair point. Also think it's a
fair point when you talk about how many times he
got swept in the first round or didn't make it
out of the first round, or when you talk about
he couldn't beat Isaiah Thomas and those Piston teams until
Isaiah Thomas retired a couple years later, And so that
Bill Lambiard, some of those guys think that's a fair point.
You're just you gotta start nipicking. And then also what
his point was. Michael Jordan himself said, I couldn't have
(05:10):
just survived in the Twitter era, he said, because I'm
so big into privacy, and he talked about how for
him that was a challenge for him the mental aspect.
He said, Physically, I'm already worn out, but mentally I'm
super drained. And that's why he retired and went on
to play baseball. And I do believe that is a
part of what has made what made Kobe Bryant great,
(05:32):
what made Lebron great, That they have to have dealt
with criticism from all angles and new mediums that nobody
else has ever had to deal with and then still
show up. When Lebron became the black hat for the
first time in his life out with playing the Mavericks,
he didn't fold it and go away. I can't take
the criticism and I'm gonna wait. He went and got
better and came back and won. Kobe Bryant was coming
(05:54):
back to La on a helicopter from a trial, a
literal trial. Fighting is in time and playing games and
balling out and so I'm not I'm not. I fully
understand stuff goes on, but Michael Jordan needed a break,
a reprieve after eight nine years to go play baseball
for a couple of years. Then he came back, played
a few more years, then he retired again before a
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couple came back a couple of years. So all I'm
saying is it's okay to criticize Michael Jordan. He can
still be the goat, but it is okay to say
that he did. He had some fallacies, are not fallacies,
some things that he was not the best at, or
he had some things, or he made some mistakes, or
that I didn't like that he did that, And that's
all I'm saying. I think it's okay to point those
out and yet still can say he's the greatest.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Similarly, the way we'll do with Lebron. You'll know you
make an excuse.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
You're like the biggest I'm dead serious, the biggest Lebron
apologist I've ever heard.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
That's the first I'm gonna tell you. No, listen to me. First,
to me, I think you are.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
And that's why people think you're like on the on
the ball, you're on the pay every day. Roger you
are the biggest ROGI no.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Good.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Nobody was good in Cleveland. Lebron didn't have anybody. When
Michael Jordan went to Chicago, what.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Did the Bulls win?
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Scotty Pippen was this great player, but he never won
finals MVP even though he was so great, and he's
the reason Michael Jordan won. This is a nonsense. I'm
just just hear me out. This is what people try
to make up some scenario. Oh, the only thing you
talk about is Lebron. Is Michael Jordan being six and zero?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
No, he was.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
He was a scoring lead of ten straight times. He
won so many awards. Defensively, he did everything. Nobody's saying
he's perfect. But this whole notion that the reason Lebron
didn't win is because there's Twitter, or.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
The reason that he didn't.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Win is because Skip Bayless and Rob Parker and Chris
Bussard had a morning show on the ESPN. Turn the
show off. Really, come on, man, that is weak. That's
the reason that Lebron didn't win is because there was
debates warts talk show, or because some guy in his
mother's basement is tweeting about Lebron and he can't handle it.
(08:08):
Oh my god, this is what you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
I can't handle it.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
The point is everybody, oh Lebron, he's the one who
put on his back and a tattoo, the chosen one.
He's the one who called himself the king. That wasn't
anybody else. When you do that, you put a target
on your back. When you talk about you're the king
and you're the chosen one, and then you want to
bellyach about it. You go from team to team trying
(08:39):
to stack your freaking team, and you still don't win.
You still lose more than any other NBA MVP in
the history of the sport. You come to LA, you
complain that they I don't have anybody a d that's
not good enough. We need more players. You get Luca,
one of the best players in the lead. You're still
(09:00):
get knocked out in the first round. You're gonna blame everybody.
He never takes responsibility that it's him or that he.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Made the move.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
You talk about Cleveland doing anything, Oh Cleveland doing didn't
do anything in the front offense. He's the one to win.
Got Westbrook? Did he get Westbrook or did the Lakers
get was.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
You know the best part about This is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You say I'm the homer for Lebron, which is the
furthest thing from the truth. You're so obsessed with him,
you didn't even have anything to say about Michael Jordan.
The whole point of this was what Katie said about Jordan. No,
the whole point is is that no matter what, and
this is why you can't be honest and just Michael
Jordan is the greatest. I just said it because you
(09:40):
started out where you have to put out that is
your best team.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
It doesn't excite it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
First of all, Michael Jordan's the greatest and you the best.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
And that's another conversation. I can not.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
We sit here every single day, you me, Rob, g
Alex and Steve, and I will be the first one
to tell you Lebron needs to give up the rock more.
I'll be the first one to tell you, Lebron, I
don't like that that your son is coming up and
down off the g League.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Keep him down there. I'll be the first one to
tell you, what.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Do I call him Alex the Olay Girls because he
don't play any defense. I'll be the first one to
tell you he's the most passive, aggressive person on social media.
You just lost by forty not saying you can't be
on it, but they calling me to watch king look
at me. I had the twenty five points to night.
I'll be the first one. I have no problem criticism.
He don't owe me nothing. I don't owe him nothing.
(10:31):
I would criticize him. I'll criticize anybody. I'll even criticize
Aaron Rodgers. I will because you won't rob g.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
When Aaron Rodgers went to New York to play for
the Jets, what did I say? I said it was
a mistake, and he made a mistake and it would
come back to be a mistake on his career. Okay,
so you could go here and say I never said anything.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I send you many video. You can send me many videos.
You won't send me many. You'll save me one. Say
to you one, send you plenty of. It's gonna be
different angles of the same video. It's so ridiculous. So
you get that fired up about Lebron, I'm feeling like you.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
I'm just trying to say to the same thing, George
Michael Lebron, you had to play.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
You had to play when they have TV sets on
and they said them and skip Bayley said something about Lebron.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
I don't know how he even competed.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Let me tell you, let me tell you something my
morning show on you know what, don't turn the TV on,
don't go to Twitter, don't go don't go to IG.
If you're so worked up about social media that you
can't exist, you so worked up about Lebron ridiculous goodness.
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Speaker 3 (12:39):
Earlier today was the day one, or it may have
been dating you. I'm confused of the Big Twelve media
days because you know, it's like a week long event nowadays.
And obviously Tom Good obviously the big talking point, not
just for the Big Twelve but across college football is
what are we gonna do with nil? What are we
gonna do with the transfer portal? It's dominating the conversation,
(13:03):
probably even more so than the actual football itself or
even college football playoff. Well, Colorado had football coach Dion
Sanders has a plan he thinks would fix this whole situation.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Take a listen.
Speaker 9 (13:15):
All you have to do is look at the playoffs
and see what those teams spent. And you understand Darni
and White in the playoffs, it's kind of hard to
compete with somebody who's giving twenty five to thirty million
dollars during freshman class. We're not complaining. And because all
these coaches are being a coach at BTS often, given
the right opportunity with the right players and play here
and there, you'll be there. But it's what's going on
right now. Don't make sense and we want to say stuff,
(13:39):
but we're trying to be professional. But you're going to
see the same teams during that at the end and
with somebody who sneaks up in there. But the teams
that pays them more, pays the most, is going.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
To be that in.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Deon Sanders, Hello, is this on? So you're calling for
a cap? Okay?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Shame on Dion Sanders for being a hypocrite. Shame on you.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Did you call for a cap when the coaches were
making twenty million dollars eighteen?
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Where was the coach's cap?
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Is that fair that Nick Saban was making a gazillion
dollars off.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
The kids back? Where was that cap? Dion?
Speaker 6 (14:15):
How come you didn't call for this when your boys,
your kids were in college Shadoor? Why didn't Shador give
the money back and say, you know what, I'm just
playing for the hell of it.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
My dad's a former NFL player.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
We got loot. I don't need money. I'm here to
play football. Did s your door take the money?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Must be them, man, Okay, this is ludicris.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
The only people you want to punish are the players,
the actual product, Dion. Without the players, you can't coach
you can't sell tickets. And I'm talking about the players
as a whole all people ever do. And his evidence,
who were the reporters sitting there and allowing him to
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give the evidence that look at the teams who spent
the most money.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
They all going to have the chief teams changed.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Has Ohio State all of a sudden become this team
that gets there every year?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 6 (15:20):
They used to pay the kids under the table. Now
you gotta put the money on the table. It's the
same freaking teams. Give me the name, Deon, Tell me
who paid a lot of money and got to the
college football playoffs? Who wouldn't have got there without the money?
He couldn't name you one because it's the same players. Hypocrisy,
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take advantage of the students, of the kids of the players.
You know why, because they're not represented. There's no agent
or body to protect them. Always blame the kids, Dion,
How dare you? You came up to bat once as
a Yankee.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
You know what he did?
Speaker 6 (16:06):
He made the dollar sign in the batter's box. Coln
faced was the catch on the white Sox took exception
to it. You remember, it was about the money wasn't it.
This is a fair market system this country. You know
how much you're worth, Dion. You're worth what someone's willing
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to pay you, period. And if they don't want to
pay the kids the money, don't pay them, Dion. Go
out and do a grassroots and say, I'm not giving
out any nil money. I'm gonna recruit kids who want
to play college football for nothing. Let's see how good
of a coach you are with those kids. What poppy
(16:47):
cock and boulder dash and daughter nonsense?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Dion?
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Come on, man, I can't believe you would get on
that soapbox and deny kids a chance to earn money
when these schools are making millions of dollars off these
kids back. This whole nil was finally a chance to
make some money back after all these years. You want
to go and look at the kids they ran out
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of college because they got a free pizza or they
got a tattoo in exchange for a warm up. Come on, man,
I'll never sit down for this. I'll never accept it, Dion.
How could you terrible? Terrible? Don't be nick saban, don't
be like the old white guys. Don't do it. Oh,
(17:35):
I like football. The way it used to be. I'm sorry.
It was good for the coaches and they made all
the money and the schools made all the money and
the kids made nothing.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I will not go back for that, ever, ever. Ever.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Well, here's the thing. So usually you and I watched
the Ie cuple. We differ on a lot of things.
A lot of what you just said I agree with,
and I had written down and prepared to talk about.
So I'll try to take a couple different lanes with you,
because to paraphase a little bit of what you were
just saying, I had already planned to say, toothpastes out
the tube. We ain't going back right. One thing we
(18:16):
know about it. When money gets rolling, money ain't going
back in. So the system is system is where it
is now. And it gets you. Why it's not going
back is because the NC doublea rob. They blew their
chance to do this twenty twenty five, thirty thirty five
years ago, when people were really starting to make a
fuss about this, saying, hey man, this doesn't seem right.
You got examples, Hey man, fab five guys, why are
(18:37):
you'all penalizing? Hey man, Ohio state kids getting tattoos? What's
the big deal. They got a couple side, a couple
of things, they got some tattoos. What's the big deal?
And I used to call that identity theft. To me,
the NCUBA four decades had been participating in identity theft.
They stole the identity of players. One of my favorite
games going up Ron was Coach k Basketball. Was like,
(18:58):
it was so fun. You knew exactly who that was.
Back then it would be like the UCLA team with
the old Bannon brothers and Tyas Edney. Well, I know
that's him. He's five foot eight, number ten or whatever.
That's Sias Edney. But yet it's everything about him, but
it's not him, and they can make the money off
the back of him. So to me, the NCAA had
been practicing identity that for so long and gotten away
with it. Now we have created the wild wild West
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and this is a result of it. And you know
what happens when you give leeway, when you finally open
up the floodgates, eventually you have to find back, get
open up the parameters and scale things back a little bit.
So right now, Dion Nick Saban, what we're dealing with
is the floodgates opening. Why we try to figure this
thing out because Rob, they were selfish the NCAA for decades.
Now we're trying to figure this thing out. Can I
(19:42):
get I give you two numbers real quick. Chador's nil evaluation?
Speaker 6 (19:48):
What six point five million, which is two million dollars
more than the NFL contract he has with the Browns.
If Dion came and took Shador's money or or then
I would listen to you if you told your kid
you were not making any money, we're going to give
them money back on whatever or not take it. And
Dianna is making five five year, fifty four million.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Dollars coach new Bread at Colorada. So is there a
coaches cap? Come on, man, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And that's been an issue that we've all had been
saying for years as coaches are making two five, six
ten million dollars. Nick Saban, hold on, let me get
this in front of your rock. This pretend it's is
a coke having coke deals with what press conference is.
So he puts the coke right there because he can
get a coke deal, but the players can't.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Players.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
You know, they were high school players, high school players
who will lose their college eligibility because they get all
the shoes, hundreds of pairs of shoes from Nike under
arm and god forbid, they sold a couple of pair
to help mom with the light bills. They literally lost
their college eligibility. So my point is we're way past this.
Kids are finally reaping the benefits of this. And that's
just where it is. The only other thing I said,
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because you, like I said, you touched on so many
points of that. One thing I will say is the
transfer port that has made it where I don't want.
And this is just me looking at the young men
and becoming men. And I think you can even appreciate
wor I'm going with this. I don't mind the money
and to say, hey, get it money. This is a
capitalist society we live in. The only thing I will
say I don't want to happen is where some young
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men rob. They miss out on the chance to grow
from adversity, meaning you go to.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
The school, man, I don't like that. I'm not starting.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I'm going to the other school as opposed to sometimes,
hey push through. You know this from our careers, Hey man,
sometimes you got to push through. Sometimes you got to
go through things. Sometimes isn't easy, and I don't want
a lot of young men to lose, in young women
to lose that opportunity to grow through adversity, to go
through some tough things. Just because that other school's offered
me twenty thousand dollars, they offer me forty thousand dollars
or I thought I was starting, but now I'm second
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string cornerback. I don't want to wait, and I don't
want to work outwork this guy, you know what I mean.
That's my only other thing about that. I still want
kids to go through adversity, push through and become better,
and I don't want the noise lean on.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Man, this ain't working out well.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I want to go there because kid, you got something
going three four different schools in a five year college career.
Because I don't like this. I don't like that money's
better over there. That would be my only one pause
to this. But the fact that they finally are making
some money, and not to mention rup, there's only a
handful of kids. You still got the right guard somewhere
who ain't really making nothing. So let's not act like
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this is a every single person getting money. And I
had it written down here too, and you hit it.
You can almost see I wrote, same team's been winning. Sorry,
the same Alabama been good. USC you know, Michigan fell
off a little bit, pop back up in order to like,
you're getting the same twenty schools. And if you put
(22:45):
a cap on it, fine, it'll be the same twenty
schools because most schools robbed couldn't afford the cap except
for the same twenty twenty by schools.
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Speaker 3 (23:05):
Well, as you guys know, we're about an hour away
from tip off the big debut Cooper Flag making his
Summer League debut tonight eight pm Eastern, going head to
head on the marquee against the fifty fifth pick of
last season, Bronnie James and Los Angeles Lakers summer League
squad guys. According to vivid Seats, as of eleven am
(23:26):
this morning local time in Vegas, the average ticket price
was up to two hundred and twenty three dollars per ticket,
the cheapest being about eighty five bucks a court side seat.
Running you a Crisp three grand. But that's not the
story here. The story is, of course, while this is
Cooper Flag's big debut, the number one pick, he actually
(23:49):
he has to share top billing with Brownie James. In fact,
when ESPN put out a social media graphic promoting tonight's game,
tipping off about an hour, here's all it read, all caps,
Cooper Flag, Bronnie James, Cinema Rob.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
You got a problem with that, kilp.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Yeah, I have a big problem with it.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
And there's two things.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Because the graphic I saw, Ronnie James was on the
left and my right and Cooper Flag was on the right,
left to right. Don't you go left to right? Okay,
So here's my issue with this. Bronnie James does not
nt belong on the marquee. Once again, the minions are
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trying to manipulate you, fool you into thinking what you're
going to see is something special and something that you
can't miss must see TV. And then also I'm worried
about Cooper Flag because his day but should be enough.
He's the chosen one, he's the new guy. Oh my god,
(24:56):
he's white chocolate times two double dip.
Speaker 10 (25:00):
He's going to be Larry Bird, Larry Ostrich, Larry I
don't know, Larry Raven. He's going to be all of
that plus ten bags of chips. And the only way
we could sell the next great white player in this
country is to attach him to a second round pick,
(25:23):
fifty fifth pick who couldn't play well at USC who
you know, did mop up duties for the Lakers for
the most part and played in the G League and
didn't do anything to make you feel like, oh my god,
you know he's going to be something special.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
You have to pay Bronnie James to get people to
watch Cooper Flag. That's where we are.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
I mean, really, Bronnie.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
James should not be on the same marquee as Cooper Flag.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
They're not the same.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
The only thing that they have going for them is
that Bronnie James is dead. Is somebody super famous, So
they're trying to attach the two. They don't go together
at all. They didn't play together. They if they are rivals,
what do they have in common. They have absolutely nothing
in common other than they're playing in some meaningless summer
(26:23):
league basketball game in Las Vegas and people who have
nothing to do or are afraid of the tables are
gonna go there to waste two hours.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
That's what's gonna happen, bah humbud.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
First of all, Rob, you gotta remember, dude, this is
the Summer League and this is where so many people
have already planned to go see what they believe could
be the next young star, whether it's Cooper Flag, whether
it is obviously Bronni. And remember, Vegas is LA Light
when it comes to the Lakers. We talk about all
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the time, where we have Lamar Mitchwell be them GM.
When we have anybody else who knows anything about Vegas,
they always say, oh, my gosh, the Lakers do huge Vegas.
Oh my gosh, Lakers. This is their home away from home.
Oh the Lakers have preseason games in Vegas. This is
home for them. So so many LA people make the
trip and they go to Vegas and their Laker fans
(27:18):
and they want to see Bronni because they've been following
his journey since Sierra Canyon USC and now of course
with the Lakers. So I think you're under selling how
many people actually are rooting for Bronni, want to see Bronny.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
And if that was last year, that last whole news,
that was last year, come on.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
But this happened last summer league, But this happens in
the summer league.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Rop when you're when you're you go a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Unless you are saying rookie, if you're a Jason Tatum
or somebody, you.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Saw Bronnie playing the NBA last year, this is nothing.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
The novel team was last year, did we Yeah, but
the novelty was the novelty was last year?
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Right, yeah, so not this year.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
But so what people are going for is hoping and
what they saw happen in the G League because he
has played so much in the G League last year.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Against seventy five percent of the league and this summer
league who won't be playing in the.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
NBA exactly the same thing. No, exactly what the league.
So they're gonna see him and to see if he
can actually produce. Now that he's beat up on the
G League with guys mostly who won't make the league,
can that translate into the Summer league again against guys
who for the large part either won't make the league
or won't get meaningful minutes.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
So of course they're gonna sell it. You know this
this is marketing. One oh one.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I have a kid again who's been famous since really
essentially his birth.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Everyone's followed his birth. It's a phony.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
If this were Bronni versus as Bailey, it would be
Brannie A's Bailey. If this was for whatever reasons, If
win ben Yama they said we want to work him
back up, you know, to see his stamina, it would
be Prani and win ben Yama. Absolutely, this is gonna happen.
I'm not saying he's Cooper Flag's level of talent. Cooper
Flag should be better.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Now. This will be his first real go at it,
so you know, he got to get his legs up
under him. But he's a he's a much better prospect.
That's not even a question.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
But absolutely, for marketing persons purposes, for the NBA, for Vegas,
for summer League, you knew this was gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
The right was on the wall.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
It's false advertising. It's false advertising. Fans should should follow
a class action suit. It's false advertising. What do you
what do you what exactly is having those two guys
they're gonna be on the court at some point?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Are they going mono imano? Is that what this is?
They may do? I do think more people.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Are optimistic and rooting for Brownie than you may think,
and meaning they just want to go see and their
rooting and hopefully he plays well.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
And they're they're rooting for the story of him.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Uh, not that they think he's gonna be a five
time ten time All Star, more so that he finds
his footing, because he's he's come off as all the
things that like for his father, he's polarizing. People hate him,
they love him, they're tired of him. And I get
all of that, right, He's been around, he's been in
our subconscious for eons at this point. But I think
for Brianni, who comes off when they ask some questions like, man,
(30:13):
I'm just trying to become the best defender I can
because I know that's gonna be one of the main
keys I play off in the league, play in the league.
When they ask some questions about this, he comes off
very responsible, very likable.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
There are a lot of people also who look at
him as a uh, you're the kid with a goldens
with a silver spoon in his mouth and in the
league is the only the only reason he's in the
league is because of his dad and his last name,
and it's not his talent. So there's a lot of
people on the other side. I mean, you find positives
and everything like talking to you. So I think I
(30:46):
got four cavities just listening to that.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
What I'm saying is, this is what had Do you
wear a lot?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
What does it say? MLB bro? You wear shirts? They
say our show the hot couple you shirt. My point is,
come on, Rob, is this thing on? You're mister marketing you?
What are you doing here? How are you missing this?
It's the NBA.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
If I it's not, it's not a real market. It's not.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
It's not if they were one and two in the draft,
or they had a rivalry in high school or rivalry
in college.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
I'm buying it. That's what I'm trying to die.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
It's not a real Season's over. I gotta get you
to voneing. It's a three dollar bill. If I put
my hand on it, guess what I'd have to wash it.
That's how bad it is. I'm not buying into it.
And let me give you the number.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Go ahead.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. And I just
do you have a problem with Bronnie James being up
on the marquee alongside Cooper Flag like they're equals when
they then the only equal that Bronnie is to Cooper
Flag is if he had a couple of packets in
his back pocket.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I mean, that's the only equal that he would be.
We'll continue that.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Conversation to go ahead and laugh, go ahead and laughed.
We'll continue with that equals.
Speaker 11 (32:07):
That one was sweet hand low. Okay, very nice, very nice, Kelvin.
I didn't know you could think on your feet.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
That one was right there. I don't know. I don't
know if it was sweet and low. Washington
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You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Kevin Durant was the latest guest on the Mind the
Game podcast. It was actually the second part of his
interview aired on Tuesday morning, and during the conversation, Kevin
Durant was discussing the importance of being committed and locked
in to the day to day process. That's part of
the reason why he's been able to play so long
(00:47):
while the bronv plays so long. Steph Curry, Guys like
that is because they understand that part of longevity means
falling in love with the process.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Well.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
During the course of his end.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
It's not because they don't play tough defense anymore and
it's easy to score than ever before.
Speaker 7 (01:01):
To see you the other During the course of his answer,
as he was explaining the importance of being locked in,
KD may or may not have taken a shot of
your favorite player.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Take a listen.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
You gotta recommit too to this game, just like you
sign a new contract every time you get better as
a player. Always, I truly feel that you got to
recommit and sign that contract with yourself every so often, like,
all right, you know I'm ten twelve years in, I
got full MVPs and faux championships, Like, but.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Do I still want to do that? You know what
I'm saying. Artist.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Some people say I don't want to go play baseball
and they don't want to come back. Some people say
I'm gonna go twenty two straight.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Go ahead. I want to go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
So this is always gonna be the hardest thing to
do is to hit a baseball, right yeah, Okay, whoa, well, no,
nobody might nobody debating that.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Okay, where did that come from? And you've just been
mad at somebody else we were talking about just a
moment ago, a couple of things here.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Uh so Katie obviously had some words for Jordan or
you know it took a shot at Jordan for sure.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
I mean clearly that was to Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
A couple of things I want to bring down here,
I think Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of
all time, and I think he is has been a
remarkable career, and I think Lebron you could argue, is
the best.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
That's the story for another day, but I.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Do just think cop out. Yes, I don't make them
because they're two different.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
No, it's not who's the greatest basketball player I ever
played in the NBA Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Okay, that that's that's what I want to hear. And
if you ask me who's the best, No, he's not
the best. And that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
It's like it's Steph Curry thing, he's the greatest shooter
of all time, But in the biggest spot when I
need a basket, I don't want him.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
To shoot because just doesn't make any sense because you're
simplifying something that's simple. Steph Curry makes ninety No, he
does shots that most people on earth can't make. No,
But if you asked for him to just take one, yeah,
I'm with you. Give me Reggie Miller, give me Damian
Liller is a handful. Larry Bird is that what makes
the greatest shooter? One shot does not make you the
greatest shot.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
It's about making he hasn't made one one shut show
what he hasn't made one.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
One shot does not make you the greatest shooter. That's
not even agree, And that's fine. You the one brought
up Steph Curry H. So back to what I was
trying to say. The only thing I'll say about this
is I do agree that I think we have lionized
Jordan and the fact that as if he was infallible,
nothing went wrong. And that's my only part will have
(03:39):
an issue with with Jordan's Uh.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Sounds like you didn't cover Michael because I was there
and he was not at the start of his career.
I could go back and show you newspaper stories when
he scored the sixties.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm talking no, no, no, nobody said he was perfect on
you want you want to go? I said, you can go,
So let me go Michael Jordan. I'm not talking about
on a night where he might have shot seven for
twenty five in real time. Yeah, I'm sure somebody had.
He was at it off night talking about now where
we now so far away from it. All we will
say is he was six to zero and I just
(04:11):
said he is the greatest. But I do think it's
okay to nitpick like we do when you're bringing up
the greatest of somebody. That means we have to find
small things to nitpick in the challenge, and my knicks
picks with Jordan would be a couple of things.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
One those seven.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Years that he didn't do anything where he was losing
the magic, he was losing Isaiah, who was losing the bird,
He was losing to these guys and losing to the
guys who were quote unquote better than him, were other
guys will be criticized for losing the people who we
thought were better than them. Hey, we will be criticized.
Why is he losing to Kobe, Why is he losing
this person? Why is he losing this stuff? Most people
get criticized, so that Jordan doesn't often get criticized for that.
(04:49):
I think that's a fair point. Also think it's a
fair point when you talk about how many times he
got swept in the first round or didn't make it
out of the first round, or when you talk about
he couldn't beat Isaiah Thomas and those Piston teams until
Isaiah Thomas retired a couple years later, And so that
Bill Lambiard, some of those guys think that's a fair point.
You're just you gotta start nipicking. And then also what
his point was. Michael Jordan himself said, I couldn't have
(05:10):
just survived in the Twitter era, he said, because I'm
so big into privacy, and he talked about how for
him that was a challenge for him the mental aspect.
He said, Physically, I'm already worn out, but mentally I'm
super drained. And that's why he retired and went on
to play baseball. And I do believe that is a
part of what has made what made Kobe Bryant great,
(05:32):
what made Lebron great, That they have to have dealt
with criticism from all angles and new mediums that nobody
else has ever had to deal with and then still
show up. When Lebron became the black hat for the
first time in his life out with playing the Mavericks,
he didn't fold it and go away. I can't take
the criticism and I'm gonna wait. He went and got
better and came back and won. Kobe Bryant was coming
(05:54):
back to La on a helicopter from a trial, a
literal trial. Fighting is in time and playing games and
balling out and so I'm not I'm not. I fully
understand stuff goes on, but Michael Jordan needed a break,
a reprieve after eight nine years to go play baseball
for a couple of years. Then he came back, played
a few more years, then he retired again before a
(06:15):
couple came back a couple of years. So all I'm
saying is it's okay to criticize Michael Jordan. He can
still be the goat, but it is okay to say
that he did. He had some fallacies, are not fallacies,
some things that he was not the best at, or
he had some things, or he made some mistakes, or
that I didn't like that he did that, And that's
all I'm saying. I think it's okay to point those
out and yet still can say he's the greatest.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Similarly, the way we'll do with Lebron. You'll know you
make an excuse.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
You're like the biggest I'm dead serious, the biggest Lebron
apologist I've ever heard.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
That's the first I'm gonna tell you. No, listen to me. First,
to me, I think you are.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
And that's why people think you're like on the on
the ball, you're on the pay every day. Roger you
are the biggest ROGI no.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Good.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Nobody was good in Cleveland. Lebron didn't have anybody. When
Michael Jordan went to Chicago, what.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Did the Bulls win?
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Scotty Pippen was this great player, but he never won
finals MVP even though he was so great, and he's
the reason Michael Jordan won. This is a nonsense. I'm
just just hear me out. This is what people try
to make up some scenario. Oh, the only thing you
talk about is Lebron. Is Michael Jordan being six and zero?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
No, he was.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
He was a scoring lead of ten straight times. He
won so many awards. Defensively, he did everything. Nobody's saying
he's perfect. But this whole notion that the reason Lebron
didn't win is because there's Twitter, or.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
The reason that he didn't.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Win is because Skip Bayless and Rob Parker and Chris
Bussard had a morning show on the ESPN. Turn the
show off. Really, come on, man, that is weak. That's
the reason that Lebron didn't win is because there was
debates warts talk show, or because some guy in his
mother's basement is tweeting about Lebron and he can't handle it.
(08:08):
Oh my god, this is what you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
I can't handle it.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
The point is everybody, oh Lebron, he's the one who
put on his back and a tattoo, the chosen one.
He's the one who called himself the king. That wasn't
anybody else. When you do that, you put a target
on your back. When you talk about you're the king
and you're the chosen one, and then you want to
bellyach about it. You go from team to team trying
(08:39):
to stack your freaking team, and you still don't win.
You still lose more than any other NBA MVP in
the history of the sport. You come to LA, you
complain that they I don't have anybody a d that's
not good enough. We need more players. You get Luca,
one of the best players in the lead. You're still
(09:00):
get knocked out in the first round. You're gonna blame everybody.
He never takes responsibility that it's him or that he.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Made the move.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
You talk about Cleveland doing anything, Oh Cleveland doing didn't
do anything in the front offense. He's the one to win.
Got Westbrook? Did he get Westbrook or did the Lakers
get was.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
You know the best part about This is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You say I'm the homer for Lebron, which is the
furthest thing from the truth. You're so obsessed with him,
you didn't even have anything to say about Michael Jordan.
The whole point of this was what Katie said about Jordan. No,
the whole point is is that no matter what, and
this is why you can't be honest and just Michael
Jordan is the greatest. I just said it because you
(09:40):
started out where you have to put out that is
your best team.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
It doesn't excite it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
First of all, Michael Jordan's the greatest and you the best.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
And that's another conversation. I can not.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
We sit here every single day, you me, Rob, g
Alex and Steve, and I will be the first one
to tell you Lebron needs to give up the rock more.
I'll be the first one to tell you, Lebron, I
don't like that that your son is coming up and
down off the g League.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Keep him down there. I'll be the first one to
tell you, what.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Do I call him Alex the Olay Girls because he
don't play any defense. I'll be the first one to
tell you he's the most passive, aggressive person on social media.
You just lost by forty not saying you can't be
on it, but they calling me to watch king look
at me. I had the twenty five points to night.
I'll be the first one. I have no problem criticism.
He don't owe me nothing. I don't owe him nothing.
(10:31):
I would criticize him. I'll criticize anybody. I'll even criticize
Aaron Rodgers. I will because you won't rob g.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
When Aaron Rodgers went to New York to play for
the Jets, what did I say? I said it was
a mistake, and he made a mistake and it would
come back to be a mistake on his career. Okay,
so you could go here and say I never said anything.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I send you many video. You can send me many videos.
You won't send me many. You'll save me one. Say
to you one, send you plenty of. It's gonna be
different angles of the same video. It's so ridiculous. So
you get that fired up about Lebron, I'm feeling like you.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
I'm just trying to say to the same thing, George
Michael Lebron, you had to play.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
You had to play when they have TV sets on
and they said them and skip Bayley said something about Lebron.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
I don't know how he even competed.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Let me tell you, let me tell you something my
morning show on you know what, don't turn the TV on,
don't go to Twitter, don't go don't go to IG.
If you're so worked up about social media that you
can't exist, you so worked up about Lebron ridiculous goodness.
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Speaker 3 (12:39):
Earlier today was the day one, or it may have
been dating you. I'm confused of the Big Twelve media
days because you know, it's like a week long event nowadays.
And obviously Tom Good obviously the big talking point, not
just for the Big Twelve but across college football is
what are we gonna do with nil? What are we
gonna do with the transfer portal? It's dominating the conversation,
(13:03):
probably even more so than the actual football itself or
even college football playoff. Well, Colorado had football coach Dion
Sanders has a plan he thinks would fix this whole situation.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Take a listen.
Speaker 9 (13:15):
All you have to do is look at the playoffs
and see what those teams spent. And you understand Darni
and White in the playoffs, it's kind of hard to
compete with somebody who's giving twenty five to thirty million
dollars during freshman class. We're not complaining. And because all
these coaches are being a coach at BTS often, given
the right opportunity with the right players and play here
and there, you'll be there. But it's what's going on
right now. Don't make sense and we want to say stuff,
(13:39):
but we're trying to be professional. But you're going to
see the same teams during that at the end and
with somebody who sneaks up in there. But the teams
that pays them more, pays the most, is going.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
To be that in.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Deon Sanders, Hello, is this on? So you're calling for
a cap? Okay?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Shame on Dion Sanders for being a hypocrite. Shame on you.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Did you call for a cap when the coaches were
making twenty million dollars eighteen?
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Where was the coach's cap?
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Is that fair that Nick Saban was making a gazillion
dollars off.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
The kids back? Where was that cap? Dion?
Speaker 6 (14:15):
How come you didn't call for this when your boys,
your kids were in college Shadoor? Why didn't Shador give
the money back and say, you know what, I'm just
playing for the hell of it.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
My dad's a former NFL player.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
We got loot. I don't need money. I'm here to
play football. Did s your door take the money?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Must be them, man, Okay, this is ludicris.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
The only people you want to punish are the players,
the actual product, Dion. Without the players, you can't coach
you can't sell tickets. And I'm talking about the players
as a whole all people ever do. And his evidence,
who were the reporters sitting there and allowing him to
(15:06):
give the evidence that look at the teams who spent
the most money.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
They all going to have the chief teams changed.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Has Ohio State all of a sudden become this team
that gets there every year?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 6 (15:20):
They used to pay the kids under the table. Now
you gotta put the money on the table. It's the
same freaking teams. Give me the name, Deon, Tell me
who paid a lot of money and got to the
college football playoffs? Who wouldn't have got there without the money?
He couldn't name you one because it's the same players. Hypocrisy,
(15:46):
take advantage of the students, of the kids of the players.
You know why, because they're not represented. There's no agent
or body to protect them. Always blame the kids, Dion,
How dare you? You came up to bat once as
a Yankee.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
You know what he did?
Speaker 6 (16:06):
He made the dollar sign in the batter's box. Coln
faced was the catch on the white Sox took exception
to it. You remember, it was about the money wasn't it.
This is a fair market system this country. You know
how much you're worth, Dion. You're worth what someone's willing
(16:26):
to pay you, period. And if they don't want to
pay the kids the money, don't pay them, Dion. Go
out and do a grassroots and say, I'm not giving
out any nil money. I'm gonna recruit kids who want
to play college football for nothing. Let's see how good
of a coach you are with those kids. What poppy
(16:47):
cock and boulder dash and daughter nonsense?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Dion?
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Come on, man, I can't believe you would get on
that soapbox and deny kids a chance to earn money
when these schools are making millions of dollars off these
kids back. This whole nil was finally a chance to
make some money back after all these years. You want
to go and look at the kids they ran out
(17:14):
of college because they got a free pizza or they
got a tattoo in exchange for a warm up. Come on, man,
I'll never sit down for this. I'll never accept it, Dion.
How could you terrible? Terrible? Don't be nick saban, don't
be like the old white guys. Don't do it. Oh,
(17:35):
I like football. The way it used to be. I'm sorry.
It was good for the coaches and they made all
the money and the schools made all the money and
the kids made nothing.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I will not go back for that, ever, ever. Ever.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Well, here's the thing. So usually you and I watched
the Ie cuple. We differ on a lot of things.
A lot of what you just said I agree with,
and I had written down and prepared to talk about.
So I'll try to take a couple different lanes with you,
because to paraphase a little bit of what you were
just saying, I had already planned to say, toothpastes out
the tube. We ain't going back right. One thing we
(18:16):
know about it. When money gets rolling, money ain't going
back in. So the system is system is where it
is now. And it gets you. Why it's not going
back is because the NC doublea rob. They blew their
chance to do this twenty twenty five, thirty thirty five
years ago, when people were really starting to make a
fuss about this, saying, hey man, this doesn't seem right.
You got examples, Hey man, fab five guys, why are
(18:37):
you'all penalizing? Hey man, Ohio state kids getting tattoos? What's
the big deal. They got a couple side, a couple
of things, they got some tattoos. What's the big deal?
And I used to call that identity theft. To me,
the NCUBA four decades had been participating in identity theft.
They stole the identity of players. One of my favorite
games going up Ron was Coach k Basketball. Was like,
(18:58):
it was so fun. You knew exactly who that was.
Back then it would be like the UCLA team with
the old Bannon brothers and Tyas Edney. Well, I know
that's him. He's five foot eight, number ten or whatever.
That's Sias Edney. But yet it's everything about him, but
it's not him, and they can make the money off
the back of him. So to me, the NCAA had
been practicing identity that for so long and gotten away
with it. Now we have created the wild wild West
(19:21):
and this is a result of it. And you know
what happens when you give leeway, when you finally open
up the floodgates, eventually you have to find back, get
open up the parameters and scale things back a little bit.
So right now, Dion Nick Saban, what we're dealing with
is the floodgates opening. Why we try to figure this
thing out because Rob, they were selfish the NCAA for decades.
Now we're trying to figure this thing out. Can I
(19:42):
get I give you two numbers real quick. Chador's nil evaluation?
Speaker 6 (19:48):
What six point five million, which is two million dollars
more than the NFL contract he has with the Browns.
If Dion came and took Shador's money or or then
I would listen to you if you told your kid
you were not making any money, we're going to give
them money back on whatever or not take it. And
Dianna is making five five year, fifty four million.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Dollars coach new Bread at Colorada. So is there a
coaches cap? Come on, man, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And that's been an issue that we've all had been
saying for years as coaches are making two five, six
ten million dollars. Nick Saban, hold on, let me get
this in front of your rock. This pretend it's is
a coke having coke deals with what press conference is.
So he puts the coke right there because he can
get a coke deal, but the players can't.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Players.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
You know, they were high school players, high school players
who will lose their college eligibility because they get all
the shoes, hundreds of pairs of shoes from Nike under
arm and god forbid, they sold a couple of pair
to help mom with the light bills. They literally lost
their college eligibility. So my point is we're way past this.
Kids are finally reaping the benefits of this. And that's
just where it is. The only other thing I said,
(20:55):
because you, like I said, you touched on so many
points of that. One thing I will say is the
transfer port that has made it where I don't want.
And this is just me looking at the young men
and becoming men. And I think you can even appreciate
wor I'm going with this. I don't mind the money
and to say, hey, get it money. This is a
capitalist society we live in. The only thing I will
say I don't want to happen is where some young
(21:17):
men rob. They miss out on the chance to grow
from adversity, meaning you go to.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
The school, man, I don't like that. I'm not starting.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I'm going to the other school as opposed to sometimes,
hey push through. You know this from our careers, Hey man,
sometimes you got to push through. Sometimes you got to
go through things. Sometimes isn't easy, and I don't want
a lot of young men to lose, in young women
to lose that opportunity to grow through adversity, to go
through some tough things. Just because that other school's offered
me twenty thousand dollars, they offer me forty thousand dollars
or I thought I was starting, but now I'm second
(21:47):
string cornerback. I don't want to wait, and I don't
want to work outwork this guy, you know what I mean.
That's my only other thing about that. I still want
kids to go through adversity, push through and become better,
and I don't want the noise lean on.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Man, this ain't working out well.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I want to go there because kid, you got something
going three four different schools in a five year college career.
Because I don't like this. I don't like that money's
better over there. That would be my only one pause
to this. But the fact that they finally are making
some money, and not to mention rup, there's only a
handful of kids. You still got the right guard somewhere
who ain't really making nothing. So let's not act like
(22:24):
this is a every single person getting money. And I
had it written down here too, and you hit it.
You can almost see I wrote, same team's been winning. Sorry,
the same Alabama been good. USC you know, Michigan fell
off a little bit, pop back up in order to like,
you're getting the same twenty schools. And if you put
(22:45):
a cap on it, fine, it'll be the same twenty
schools because most schools robbed couldn't afford the cap except
for the same twenty twenty by schools.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
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Speaker 3 (23:05):
Well, as you guys know, we're about an hour away
from tip off the big debut Cooper Flag making his
Summer League debut tonight eight pm Eastern, going head to
head on the marquee against the fifty fifth pick of
last season, Bronnie James and Los Angeles Lakers summer League
squad guys. According to vivid Seats, as of eleven am
(23:26):
this morning local time in Vegas, the average ticket price
was up to two hundred and twenty three dollars per ticket,
the cheapest being about eighty five bucks a court side seat.
Running you a Crisp three grand. But that's not the
story here. The story is, of course, while this is
Cooper Flag's big debut, the number one pick, he actually
(23:49):
he has to share top billing with Brownie James. In fact,
when ESPN put out a social media graphic promoting tonight's game,
tipping off about an hour, here's all it read, all caps,
Cooper Flag, Bronnie James, Cinema Rob.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
You got a problem with that, kilp.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Yeah, I have a big problem with it.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
And there's two things.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Because the graphic I saw, Ronnie James was on the
left and my right and Cooper Flag was on the right,
left to right. Don't you go left to right? Okay,
So here's my issue with this. Bronnie James does not
nt belong on the marquee. Once again, the minions are
(24:33):
trying to manipulate you, fool you into thinking what you're
going to see is something special and something that you
can't miss must see TV. And then also I'm worried
about Cooper Flag because his day but should be enough.
He's the chosen one, he's the new guy. Oh my god,
(24:56):
he's white chocolate times two double dip.
Speaker 10 (25:00):
He's going to be Larry Bird, Larry Ostrich, Larry I
don't know, Larry Raven. He's going to be all of
that plus ten bags of chips. And the only way
we could sell the next great white player in this
country is to attach him to a second round pick,
(25:23):
fifty fifth pick who couldn't play well at USC who
you know, did mop up duties for the Lakers for
the most part and played in the G League and
didn't do anything to make you feel like, oh my god,
you know he's going to be something special.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
You have to pay Bronnie James to get people to
watch Cooper Flag. That's where we are.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
I mean, really, Bronnie.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
James should not be on the same marquee as Cooper Flag.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
They're not the same.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
The only thing that they have going for them is
that Bronnie James is dead. Is somebody super famous, So
they're trying to attach the two. They don't go together
at all. They didn't play together. They if they are rivals,
what do they have in common. They have absolutely nothing
in common other than they're playing in some meaningless summer
(26:23):
league basketball game in Las Vegas and people who have
nothing to do or are afraid of the tables are
gonna go there to waste two hours.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
That's what's gonna happen, bah humbud.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
First of all, Rob, you gotta remember, dude, this is
the Summer League and this is where so many people
have already planned to go see what they believe could
be the next young star, whether it's Cooper Flag, whether
it is obviously Bronni. And remember, Vegas is LA Light
when it comes to the Lakers. We talk about all
(26:57):
the time, where we have Lamar Mitchwell be them GM.
When we have anybody else who knows anything about Vegas,
they always say, oh, my gosh, the Lakers do huge Vegas.
Oh my gosh, Lakers. This is their home away from home.
Oh the Lakers have preseason games in Vegas. This is
home for them. So so many LA people make the
trip and they go to Vegas and their Laker fans
(27:18):
and they want to see Bronni because they've been following
his journey since Sierra Canyon USC and now of course
with the Lakers. So I think you're under selling how
many people actually are rooting for Bronni, want to see Bronny.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
And if that was last year, that last whole news,
that was last year, come on.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
But this happened last summer league, But this happens in
the summer league.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Rop when you're when you're you go a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Unless you are saying rookie, if you're a Jason Tatum
or somebody, you.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Saw Bronnie playing the NBA last year, this is nothing.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
The novel team was last year, did we Yeah, but
the novelty was the novelty was last year?
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Right, yeah, so not this year.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
But so what people are going for is hoping and
what they saw happen in the G League because he
has played so much in the G League last year.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Against seventy five percent of the league and this summer
league who won't be playing in the.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
NBA exactly the same thing. No, exactly what the league.
So they're gonna see him and to see if he
can actually produce. Now that he's beat up on the
G League with guys mostly who won't make the league,
can that translate into the Summer league again against guys
who for the large part either won't make the league
or won't get meaningful minutes.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
So of course they're gonna sell it. You know this
this is marketing. One oh one.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I have a kid again who's been famous since really
essentially his birth.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Everyone's followed his birth. It's a phony.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
If this were Bronni versus as Bailey, it would be
Brannie A's Bailey. If this was for whatever reasons, If
win ben Yama they said we want to work him
back up, you know, to see his stamina, it would
be Prani and win ben Yama. Absolutely, this is gonna happen.
I'm not saying he's Cooper Flag's level of talent. Cooper
Flag should be better.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Now. This will be his first real go at it,
so you know, he got to get his legs up
under him. But he's a he's a much better prospect.
That's not even a question.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
But absolutely, for marketing persons purposes, for the NBA, for Vegas,
for summer League, you knew this was gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
The right was on the wall.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
It's false advertising. It's false advertising. Fans should should follow
a class action suit. It's false advertising. What do you
what do you what exactly is having those two guys
they're gonna be on the court at some point?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Are they going mono imano? Is that what this is?
They may do? I do think more people.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Are optimistic and rooting for Brownie than you may think,
and meaning they just want to go see and their
rooting and hopefully he plays well.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
And they're they're rooting for the story of him.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Uh, not that they think he's gonna be a five
time ten time All Star, more so that he finds
his footing, because he's he's come off as all the
things that like for his father, he's polarizing. People hate him,
they love him, they're tired of him. And I get
all of that, right, He's been around, he's been in
our subconscious for eons at this point. But I think
for Brianni, who comes off when they ask some questions like, man,
(30:13):
I'm just trying to become the best defender I can
because I know that's gonna be one of the main
keys I play off in the league, play in the league.
When they ask some questions about this, he comes off
very responsible, very likable.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
There are a lot of people also who look at
him as a uh, you're the kid with a goldens
with a silver spoon in his mouth and in the
league is the only the only reason he's in the
league is because of his dad and his last name,
and it's not his talent. So there's a lot of
people on the other side. I mean, you find positives
and everything like talking to you. So I think I
(30:46):
got four cavities just listening to that.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
What I'm saying is, this is what had Do you
wear a lot?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
What does it say? MLB bro? You wear shirts? They
say our show the hot couple you shirt. My point is,
come on, Rob, is this thing on? You're mister marketing you?
What are you doing here? How are you missing this?
It's the NBA.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
If I it's not, it's not a real market. It's not.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
It's not if they were one and two in the draft,
or they had a rivalry in high school or rivalry
in college.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
I'm buying it. That's what I'm trying to die.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
It's not a real Season's over. I gotta get you
to voneing. It's a three dollar bill. If I put
my hand on it, guess what I'd have to wash it.
That's how bad it is. I'm not buying into it.
And let me give you the number.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Go ahead.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. And I just
do you have a problem with Bronnie James being up
on the marquee alongside Cooper Flag like they're equals when
they then the only equal that Bronnie is to Cooper
Flag is if he had a couple of packets in
his back pocket.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I mean, that's the only equal that he would be.
We'll continue that.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Conversation to go ahead and laugh, go ahead and laughed.
We'll continue with that equals.
Speaker 11 (32:07):
That one was sweet hand low. Okay, very nice, very nice, Kelvin.
I didn't know you could think on your feet.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
That one was right there. I don't know. I don't
know if it was sweet and low. Washington
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