July 24, 2025 • 30 mins
Former NFL safety Kerry Rhodes is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin tell us if they have a problem with Caleb Williams having a slew of stated individual goals heading into the upcoming season, explain why it's so hard to separate the entertainer from the person when it comes to controversial figures like Hulk Hogan, and tell us why Luka Doncic has to get at least one ring during the next four years with the Los Angeles Lakers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
So Caleb Williams looking at I don't know what's interesting?
Do I say bounce back? Some people say it was
a solid rookie campaign. It wasn't that bad. There is
a lot to be desired still, but some people say,
now you're the number one pick, you're highs and choey winner.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
You wanted to be better.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So he's looking to improve and now that he's got
a new head coach to Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson, sorry,
he's no longer with the Lions. I'll say the emotions, Manster,
you felt me. Yeah, he's leaving the Lions and he's
over there and I'm gonna need him to lead to
a leave the division. Oh, I know, can you go somewhere?
(01:07):
You know all the family trades, the secrets. I don't
like that Carrie, but yeah, now he has been Johnson.
It definitely an offensive genius for sure, and you saw
what he did with Jared Goff those years, putting him
crazy numbers. The offense was explosive and so therefore you
hope if you're the Bears or Bears fan, it carries
over to the Bears.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
But specifically they had an idea of kind of where
they wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
And here's what Caleb had to say kind of his
projections and hope for this upcoming season.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Obviously, I have self goals, and that's you know, being
the first four thousand yard passer in Bear's history. That's
a you know, a goal of mine. Seventy percent completion
that helps the team keeps on the field, puts in
better positions. And then other than that, just trying to
go down and you know, score the most post points
that we can with these tracks that we have. So
you know, that's that's kind of my self goal, and
obviously other you know, other than that, you got to
go win. That's success for me, that's success for the team.
(01:53):
You know, that's all that's all we wish for and
all I wish for.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So I don't actually don't have a craze.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I'm not gonna give you this wild screwta now you
ever say that, No, No, he's got goals. You have goals,
whatever that is right now professionally maybe you know, I
know you do stuff in entertainment from movies and like
we all have goals, and you should. You should reaware
in my life, you should assess where you are. I
don't have a problem. The only thing I might suggest
was you could kind of have done is keep it
(02:20):
in house. And the only couple of reasons why I
say that. Number one, I just mentioned you got a
new head coach, a new system, a new approach, and
I don't believe you all know what you are yet.
I don't think you know if we're going to be
a run heavy team, if we're gonna be Caleb We're lying, Hey,
Caleb man, we need you throw forty five hundred and
fifty fifty one hundred yards. You know you don't know
exactly what you are and you don't know what's going
(02:41):
to be winning football for your team right kind of
because now I don't want it to be if I'm
a part of the Bears organization where every single week
everyone's overly analyzing, well, he only threw for one hundred
and eighty which if you do the math time seventeen
weeks and you know now it's only at thirty six
hundred yards. Ha, he's not going to get those goals
seventy percent completion. It's crazy, right, that's huge. That's some
(03:02):
Drew Bledsoe types, Drew Brees type stuff. Not everybody does that.
You can be very successful with sixty three, sixty five,
sixty six if you again are making the big plays
when you need it. Patrick Mahomes, for example, wasn't amazing
last year with his stats, but he may key plays
when he needed to. To a tune of fifteen in
two and to the tune of the Super Bowl appearance, again,
(03:23):
do you know who won the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
That's right?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
A guy who threw for like thirty one hundred yards
or something. A guy who wasn't throwing down three hundred
four hundred yard games all the time, but a guy
who uses legs effectively, a guy who managed the field
possession and who ran the ball with the best running
back in the Saquon Barkley last year. And to the
tune of the Super Bowl appearance, and I'll blowout victory.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
So to me, there are multiple ways to.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Skin this cat, and I don't want you to apply
pressure where it's not needed. Let's find out who we are,
what we do well, what you do well, and the
focus should be getting the ball up quicker. Can we
get to two point two seconds? He was holding too much,
he was playing some of that. I'm just the best
player on the field in high school. I'm just the
best player in the field in college. To the tune
of a Heisman, and I can get away with that.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
This is the prose.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
And as you know, being a defensive player yourself, they fast, yes,
theay fast, not they are they vain and the defensive
linemen are fast. The offensive the linebackers are fast. Safeties
are coming at you. So you have to kind of
be on play, on time and in the system what
we got going now when you need to improvise, great,
that's what makes you special. To the tune of a
number one pick, and everyone said the best quarterback prospect
(04:30):
since Andrew Luck. So that's my only thing. I don't
honestly care that he has projections for himself. I think
everybody comes in and they're like, I want to be
a Pro Bowl quarterback or I want to be.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
You know, and you can tell me I'm a dB.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I want to have four interceptions, you know, deflect ten taxes,
whatever it may be, have forty tackles.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I don't know, but I just wait right now, I've
had one hundred the first right, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Don't want to do this right and so my last
point is just let's find out who we are. Let's
see what works best for us. We don't have to
do the projections allowed everybody hearing it so that now
it's at it fuel and it's just you know, it's
it's Chicago radio every week when you don't have the
numbers that will match what we said because you might
only throw sixty percent, but dang, we won by two touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Right well, I think what he said was very generic,
right where people may take it as a hot take
and take it as you know, real fodder, conversation fodder.
But for me, all this screams to me is this
is the team's mindset.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Right.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
All he sounds like to me is Ben Johnson. So
it seems like they had a conversation. This is what
is where you should be, This is where I see
you going and he's just echoing it. I don't think
he's doing too much here, obviously. I think his goals
are even bigger than that. Right, he didn't say I
want to be the best quarterback in the division. I
want to be appropriate. Like, he didn't say those type
of things. He said team goals because in theory and
(05:51):
team goals, if you pass as a team for seventy
percent doing pretty well, if you pass the four thousand yards,
that's an excellent season. Like, I don't think he's basically
stepping out in the limb and saying I'm this guy.
This just sounds like conversation he had with Ben Johnson,
and this is what our team needs for you to
be successful and for our team to be successful. So
I don't really take too much stock in this. I
(06:12):
know people will, and I think the beautiful part about
him and Caleb Williams is he can do it so
and we talk about him having a bad season or
a bounce back season.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I thought he was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's why. Yeah, depending on how you want, is the
glass half it?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah? Cool?
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Yeah, Under the circumstances with that team and the way
that they were organized, organized and their head coach and
their offense. He outperformed what he should do. So, in
my opinion, having been Johnson in the house with him,
I'm really excited to see what happened with this name.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
The head coach cost him maybe three games easy alone.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
That's why I'm saying, like, when we could I like
visibly identify you should have won that game.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Then there's other ones, maybe you know the play here,
maybe back all here, but definitely there were three that
were like, bru, what were we doing here?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Right right? It's a win.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
They could have maybe should have beat the Lions one
of those games as well, you know. Yeah, and they
had a couple and then a couple of bad breaks
and miss field go here, and some things happened defensive
back running out in the what's up party over here?
The players have to play in motion and he, you know,
he gives up that deep hell, Mary, So I had
a d had a handful of games where they were
(07:20):
in games better than the record will reflect. And I
do think he's probably again excited to have a Ben
Johnson in there who can see, you know, what he
can do best and draw out of him. Yeah, but
I think he I think people I think he did
well under the circumstances. And again considering you're trying to
change those habits of yo, you don't have to be superman,
And in some cases you probably can't be superman because
(07:43):
the way the league is stiffer. In college, seventy five
eighty five percent of those people you played against ain't
going pro, you know what I mean? Yes, they're good, Yeah,
but this is it. The buck stops here, this is
the last bus stop.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
These are the big boys. These are the big boys.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Where that defensive lineman you like, he runs just as
fast as as you.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Oh yeah, I mean, if you think that you're the
best athlete on the field in that league, if your
name's not Lamar Jackson, you're you're right, You're you're playing yourself. Yeah,
And I think he's got that introduction already. He got
to see on the team where again he had to
learn on the fly, had to make decisions on the fly.
And you can tell like he wasn't confident in their
scheme because what you just said, right, he's trying to
be superman and make plays happen, not being on time.
(08:22):
But with Ben Johnson, he will be on time.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
That's what Ben Johnson about you can see it with
his last quarterback in Jared Golf and what he did
for him.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And this is the way and the way. It's why
I get so much. I mean, all right, I'm be alad,
don't get emotion. It's okay.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
The way he had the offense running, man, it was
so good. You sound like pop pop, Hold me down,
a man.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
The Lions were so good when it was just fun
to one. This is what I knew. You want to
know well multiple times, but you don't want to know
what I knew. Rob Parker was a hater.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Rob Gie.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You remember when I asked him, he was, I don't
hate the Lions. I just and I said simple questions
like he always tried to put people no answer yes
or no. I said, so you can say the Lions
aren't gonna win a super Bowl. And this was like
two thirds of the way through the season where I
believe this question I'm gonna ask you was very factual.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
No one would say no.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I said, so you're trying to tell me, if nothing else,
the Lions aren't fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
He said they're not fun to watch. Remember that robbed
he couldn't. I saw what to lie. At least give
me it. They're they're a blast to watch. Come on,
like they're entered there. They're really funny. Of course, I mean,
if you like, lose it. If you're not gonna make
this super, I don't know what it's gonna make suit
Right now, Rob, I'm just saying, right now, right now,
you telling me not one of the most fun teams
watching the last few years. Yes, and he couldn't have been.
I'm like, dude, you got Jared Goff catching touchdown passes.
(09:37):
It's like, come on, man, at least admit that. But no,
I I this is but this is where it is
going to be interesting. On the other end, the bounce
back for the Lions, meaning you lose a Ben Johnson
his creativity did you keep enough in house? And and
Aaron Glenn on the defensive side of the balls, well,
who I think will get a bad rap towards the end,
but people will forget he lost so many starters one
hundredfensive end as well. All right, Kayleb Williams and the
(09:59):
procl oh real quick, forget it? How bad are the
Bears that you've never had a four thousand yard passer?
Pretty bad and this era where guys are chucking it
all around, teams have had multiple four thousand yard passes
kind of the standard if you're a good quarter but
you don't even have to be great, just if you're
a good quarterback. Yeah, to never have had that, what
the heck is wrong with your franchise? Yeah, they'll do
it this year. And I understand defense and running it.
(10:21):
And did I ever tell you about sweetness how great you?
I understand that in the eighties. Yeah, but bruh, somebody
accidentally throws for for you know, forty two hundre yard
just got hot, right, I had an eight week stretch.
You know a few of those hell marys worked something
ran into some reason that year you played you know,
the you played the bad Lions years when they were bad,
(10:43):
and maybe the Vikings weren't the greatest thing, and maybe
you got to play the Jags or AFC South or
something at the time and you had some bad teams
and you threw for fourrety two hundred yards.
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Speaker 3 (12:08):
One of the things I like that we'll branch out
and have some interesting conversation. I love you and I
wrap a lot off the air, and so I know
you're a guy who's you know, complex and and have
depth and can have these types of conversations as well.
I think one I wanted to have was Hawk Hogan,
who died at the age of seventy one today cardiac arrest.
And I found it just really interesting how people have
(12:34):
to go about their posts in twenty twenty five. Here's
what I mean. If you're around our age, you grew
up with Hawk Hogan being you're a three year old
running around the house, five year oldruning around the house
in your little onesies, you know, our little underwear doing
wrestling moves, watching him as the sport was taken off.
That was me, you know, walking and walking watching him.
(12:57):
You know, what are you gonna do when the hawks
comes out of you? And ripping tank tops and like
that era? Listen up, brother, Yeah, that era was lit
right for me. You had him and in a little
bit later Ultimate Warriors, Ultimate Warrior, Andre the Giant and
uh Coco Beware and I might be mixing up w
W Rick all this.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
It was just the wrestling era to me.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
The eighties was my was my time, you know, Junkyard Dog,
Million Dollar Man again.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I might be mixing up at the point, but thees
I enjoyed it was great. It was fun. Saturday mornings
were a blast.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right then I jumped out pretty early, just because once
you realize it wasn't about twelve eleven ish for me,
I don't know. And a lot of people kept going
and that's their thing. And we and I'm talking Rob g.
There were guys all age maybe five, six, seven years old,
are all in to this day, still go to WrestleManias.
(13:49):
You know, got their podcast dedicated to it, got the merch.
They're there. They're all in. They're locked in, which is
perfectly fine. We all have our things right. And I
found that people had a difficult day today because of
Halkogan's transgessis right. You got sex tape, you got the
use of the N word, you've got other stuff. Maybe
politically shows up to the GOP convention and he's you know,
he's out there ripping shirts then in favor of President Trump,
(14:13):
candidate Trump at the time, but now you know, now
president again for the second term. And I just found
it interesting that people had to let they were nervous
how to post because they're a fan of wrestling and
he means so much to their youth, but because of
all the other stuff over the last ten fifteen years,
they didn't know if they were to just say a
picture of him, oh man, rest in peace to the
(14:36):
great Hawk Hogan. And especially if they're a person of color,
especially if they were black, they knew what was coming.
What you mean the racist, what you mean to this,
what you mean to that? And there were those things.
There's no denying that, sure, but I found it interesting
that people had to press, well, this is all only
wrestler only, I'm only talking about the wrestler. Or and
(14:59):
was there a thing between are we in the day
and age now where we have to separate, you know,
Hawk Hogan from Terry Hogan, you know, like the character.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I loved him, or I was all in on you.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I love the show, I loved wrestling, I loved you know,
the reality showed effect, whatever your thing was. And I'm
not down with the him the person. And I just
found it interesting because if where are we now with sports?
Do you love Cliff Huxtable but not Bill Cosby in sports?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Oh you're going, I see what you're doing in sports?
It is that's not easy.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Some people they h you know, I rock with the Steelers,
but I didn't rock with Ben Roethlisberger what he did
in the you know the young lady. And so where
do you draw that line between the person and the player,
the person and the entertainment, the person and the musician,
whatever it is. And I find this and I don't.
By the way, I don't have the answer. I'll give
(15:56):
you a real world example for me. Okay, a lot
of people tried to come down on Michael Jackson a man.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
For me, it beat.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
It came on right now if remember the Time or thriller.
I'm a jam me too, because for me, he obviously
had the trials.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
And do I think he was a strange dude?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yes, but I can like separate and it's like I
no real evidence and show them anything?
Speaker 9 (16:19):
Then?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Would r Kelly for me just to use these as example?
I start to hear in the music. Now that I'm older,
I can look back like, oh, shoot, R Kelly went
as a dangerous one.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
He was saying.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
He was saying, what the songs, Yeah for too many
in the windows and little things, and I'm like, ooh shoot,
and it hurts because he's one.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
He was one of, you know, my favorite artists. He
was amazing. But that so it doesn't quite feel as
good for me.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I hear, oh, I read that line there, you know,
So show me some id and little things and it's like, ooh,
his moniker changed to the pied piper. Who would the
pie piper do? Play the flute? And lude kids Lord kids,
and just some weird stuff that I'm like, I don't feel.
So my point of saying all this is I don't
have the answers, but it was. It's amazing me to
see people nervous how to post about Hawkkan because their
(17:04):
youth or their fandom for wrestling. Love what he meant.
The sport blew up because he commercialized it to another level.
We wouldn't have you, Rock Stone Coach, Steve Austin under
all these massive stars without him, but they had to
quickly get you.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
But I don't condone the stuff in it. I don't
like commedianes.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I raised it and I was like, Wow, we're at
the place I because of the advent of social media,
because of twenty four hour news cycles and sports shows
and bachel we know everything about people.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
We talk about it. It's on your timeline.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
And I think people were able to get away with
maybe being bad people back in the day, yes, and
we didn't know, yes, the very easy or being complex
people and we didn't know.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Yeah, the very easy way to approach this in this
topic of what you're saying is don't post about it.
I know people want to show their adoration. I know
they want to be in the times with the people
and the masses and show their appreciation or show their
love for whoever it is, or show their disdain for
whoever it is. Right, But why does it have to
go on social media for people to show their appreciation
(18:03):
or disdain to anybody?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Right?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
It's we live in a culture.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Where it's more about the person and the other person
on the other end of the keyboard who has a
chance to dispute it, refute it, or agree with it.
Like we're giving power to those people way too much.
Because if you do have an adoration for Hook Hogan
or Michael Jackson or whoever it is. The world doesn't
(18:27):
have to know about it. That can be your best
friend you talk to about it off air or off
off the sites, off of social media. So I think, yes,
it's a dangerous game while trying to do it on
because everything you do on somebody's going to have something
else to say about it, of course, And so that's
the dangerous game, right, Like you have to give yourself
and allow yourself the space to grieve and to celebrate
(18:47):
and do the things you want to on your own
time and on your own space and your own in
your own little world. Man, Because I think it's dangerous.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Now.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Nobody wants the safeguy. Nobody wants to interact with the
person that's always politically correct either. So it's like, okay,
somebody's on here looking for like somebody went on the
internet today and was like I'm gonna look and see
whoever posted about Holgan today.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Be more specific, like especially a black person like that
part if you're post yeah and they're absolutely waking up.
If you're a black person, you post about it on
your head and again you have the fair I'm talking
about personal people I know, yes on my phage and
timelines who are struggling, like I want to talk about
him because I'm like, I mean, wrestling nerds like I
(19:33):
get it in. Yeah, but they were all I'm gonna
say is he did a lot for the sport and
they kind of jumped off the postal.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Let me just say this, he took the sport to
another level and Harry, you know, but I ain't gonna
say noting else or other people were like, you know,
trying to do deep dive and think pieces. And again
he put a lot of this on himself. Yes, when
you have racist phone calls, when you got sex tapes
out there, when you got other things you've done, when
you start joining in the lining with the group of
(20:01):
people who politically a lot of people feel are mistreating people,
are belittling people, are disrespectful to people, and that's how
you've lined yourself up with them.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
This is what you're gonna get and listen to.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
This, Kevin, and like the thing about Hope, though two
of those incidents were supposedly private, and so this is
the other part about the legacy of us as humans, right,
Like everybody wants everything to be public, and when you
want everything to be public, there's gonna be things about people,
and you're the people you idolize that you don't like.
And that's the part, like stop fishing for the thing
(20:34):
and allow the character, allow the person to be that person,
to stop deep diving.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
And that's where it gets complicated to me because again
I say, for instance, Babe brutes, he's so many people,
the greatest American athlete. He listen, we dive into some
Babe ruthes. So of course we're gonna be like, whoa,
I mean, that's Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Some people, Oh he's got gambling issues some people, No,
he just likes to gamble a little bit, like he
does this. Why didn't Michael Jordan ever speak up about,
you know, black issue, like you can deep dive on
so many people, Tom Brady people was you know, well,
what's the maca hat behind you? You know, and and
other things that you know he's done and trance. So
that's my thing is that it is interesting when you're
(21:12):
an entertainer musician in this case, and an athlete slash
entertainer because wrestling, you know, he is athletic and you know,
some people think it's just drama whatever you want to
call it, when your kind of skeletons are out there,
your things. Now we're going to judge you. Now, we're gonna,
you know, look at you the person. But again, can
we love and respect or idolize or enjoy the character?
(21:33):
I think it's just a great conversation. A lot of
people love John Wayne.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
He was this.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Then you start diving into John Wayne, You're like, right,
I don't really like what John Wayne was about exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
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Speaker 3 (21:54):
There used to be I could be this, you could
be that. We might jab each other real how is?
How can and then we can have lunch at dinner.
Move on, now, put the gloves on, maybe go bare knuckle.
Let's fight like you can't if you're on that side.
On that side, we've lost all civility or civil discourse
on how I might not like this athlete, this thing,
this person, and you know we can talk about it.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Oh those days are long gone. All right?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Thank you again, everybody, You perfect guy to have on
for this conversation. There are reports.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Now that.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Out of Slovenia. By the way, we're international with this. Okay,
we ain't just love it. It's just ain't La just California.
This just ain't America. Okay, we got plugs everywhere we connected.
You got plugs everywhere, Okay, Slovenia a Sylvinian plug.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yes, the national team there, the basketball team.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
The reports basically that it kind of leaked out that
they expect Luca to re sign with the Lakers, which,
talking to you know, I've never envisioned a day that
he wasn't. But but you never know, because he lost
out on all that money by being trade from Dallas.
So maybe he was like, hey, after this, I can
go anywhere I want to try to, you know, restart
there if you will. But I was looking at it
like this, it's supposed to be the next four years
(23:05):
and thinking about it, well, what is success for Luke
and the Lakers in four years? What would you gauge
as successful? And for me real quick, yep, Carrie, huh,
you gotta give me a ring.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Gotta get a ring.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Then I'm gonna tell you why when magic got here
year one year one boom ring. When you fast forward
some year, blah blahh okay, by the time shack here
by a year?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
What was that about? Year three? Ring?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
And another one Kobe and another one, you know, exactly
back to back. And even Kobe when Shaq left, Galvin
gave him a few years three for you back at
it and another one you know, I mean, oh way
he got to the finals. They would lose to the self.
I mean, you're back to the finals, so on and
so over. My point is Lebron comes here after but
year two with it two didn't Yeah, yeah, got in
(24:04):
eighteen twenty twenty, got the ring. The point is, I
think for Luca four years and he and and here's
the key part. He's just that good. We've seen you
drag Dallas a couple of years back now to the finals.
If they do their part, no it's not alone. If
Rob Polinka has to do his part, you bring in
some talent, you know, you gotta DeAndre Ayton. We'll see
(24:26):
if he's able to really step his game up. You know,
I don't think markus smartest part of your long term future.
But you know, but what's the next move if Lebron's
gone next year, what's the next move Because that's fifty
two mil off the books, you know, so then maybe
you go get a really good guy that's relatively young
that you compare with Luca and go, now you got
three years with that guy and see what we can do.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Point being, I think that's realistic.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I didn't rattle off two to three because the West
is crazy exactly. Yeah, but I think that's fair with
knowing Lebron is going to be gone, knowing there's new
opportunity to bring it into another big two to go
with Luca and and then filling with pieces because you'll
have some money and all that. I feel like getting
a ring would be successful for Luca. He's in He's
(25:07):
directly in that prime sweet spot now with a chip
on his shoulder. Yep, you're you're hookah, Doncic, you're out
of shape. You're this you got traded the team, you'd
buying a house in the city. You're closing on the house.
They say, nah, bruh, get out. Yep, this makes sense
to me. Yeah, no, you're I think you're one hundred
percent right. I mean, he has in these next four
years he has to win one. He's already in year eight,
(25:28):
which is just crazy to me. I know, right, yeah,
it's crazy. So time was like four, like the fifth
or so. Right, time's flying.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
So he's like you said, drug a Dallas team to
the Promised Land, couldn't get it done, had some really
successful teams there where you know that he needed help,
and he still got there right in a loaded West.
So you go to La, you go to a team
now that actually has money to spend and they're going
to be, like you said, off of a big contract
(25:54):
next year. I think, well, Lebron, I think this is
it for him. It feels that it feels that way.
Obviously we never don't know, yea, yeah, but we feel
that right, and so you'll be able to assimilate some pieces.
It's gonna be La, It's gonna be Luca. So if
they if he doesn't win one in the next four years,
it will be a failure. And I know I know him.
I've seen him play for eight years. When he's motivated
(26:15):
and when somebody says he can't do something, he does it.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
And so I'm excited to see what he does this year.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
He looks good, he looks like he's in shape. I'm
I'm actually rooting for him until he played Dallas obviously,
but oh all y'all are of course.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Until now. But no, he has to win one for sure.
You saying that now, Well, if y'all didn't get Cooper fly,
you will be still Jersey.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
No, No, because I went to I went to Dallas
because of Dirk. I'm a dirt guy, manzi Uh, never mind,
you're a Clipper fan, rob G. You're the resident Laker here.
I'm looking around maybe Shaye as well, but point being
as well. Four years, what's for you as a Laker fan.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
Well, you got to get at least one, yeah, minimum
minimum in himum one, so you're saying it should be
multiple and for you. Honestly, I don't think people comproment
you guys do because you, especially carry you're a mass fan.
I don't think people understand how great of a start
Luca Dodgess is.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
No career, it's like precedent all.
Speaker 9 (27:17):
Time, like the greatest of the greatest players ever.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Honey, you might have the greatest start ever, like including Mike,
Like I mean, what he's been able to do for
the first six years of give or take him his
career absolutely.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Yeah, his first six years Rookie of the Year, five
time First Team All.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
NBA and then what that next year goes to the finals.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Yes, but you still can't say it's the best because
he didn't win it, right, But I'm just saying individually.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Okay, nobody, I don't think I mean bird, right, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 9 (27:47):
Like, that's crazy and for him, it's not like, you know,
all respect to magic. Magic showed up on a team
that already had the arguably the best player in the
league and added another number one pick.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Like later.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It was loaded Jamal Jamal Wilkes, Storm and Norman Nixon,
uh Kareem maculd wasn't there yet, but it's somebody like
two years later, James Worthy, its worthy Byron Scott.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
You had Michael Thompson coming off the bench just absolutely
load and that's not what Lugo came into. And he
immediately changed the culture, immediately made them legitimate threats. Whatever
you think of how good if they could have actually
wanted or not. So his benchmark is so much higher
than than what you would consider to be a normal expectation,
(28:36):
Like you expect more. It's like you talked about Lebron
You're like, hey, if this guy don't get at least
two or three, then there's something went horribly wrong.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And that was part of an argument or not argument actually,
but the conversation me and Hamon. I was just saying that, well,
we'll tell you more. I say, we got a good
shop talk coming up. Yeah, well I was going to
do that, we got shop talk.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I ain't want to do that. I don't want to
disrespect the talk. Save it, save it. I'll just be
very quick.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Robbgi touched on exactly what I one of the reasons
why when we have the who's better this person? And
I say, lebron is I brought it up yesterday. I
just don't remember anyone from after about year two and
a half three is the expectations were finals, except maybe
like magic because my hates only one. To me, We're
like Kobe when he had down, like the team wasn't great.
(29:26):
You didn't have you like, oh, they don't make it.
They should make it right because he's got Chris mam,
spush part. This person is not a great team. Robert Sakra.
You know, I mean, I mean, I know they catch
a straight sitting there. Yeah, like what I do, right,
but you get what I mean. And and and Jordan
his first seven years or so, he ain't getting past
the Celtic. He ain't getting passive pit. You didn't have
that expectations like no, he's gonna put up number. They'll
be fun, cute, fun, but it ain't getting chanced. Whereas Lebron,
(29:48):
it was like, no, dog, You're supposed to be in
the finals every year. And I was just like, wow,
that's a crazy expectation. And to robb GI's point, Luca's
kind of that good where you're like, uh, why are
you ain'ting in the finals.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Luca, Well, my team I know, but still why didn't
have anything? I know?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
But still well so and so it is hurt, I know,
but still and that's that's to me one of the
separators when I started talking about you know, you gotta
we gotta, you know, thinness of hair between somebody versus
somebody
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
So Caleb Williams looking at I don't know what's interesting?
Do I say bounce back? Some people say it was
a solid rookie campaign. It wasn't that bad. There is
a lot to be desired still, but some people say,
now you're the number one pick, you're highs and choey winner.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
You wanted to be better.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So he's looking to improve and now that he's got
a new head coach to Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson, sorry,
he's no longer with the Lions. I'll say the emotions, Manster,
you felt me. Yeah, he's leaving the Lions and he's
over there and I'm gonna need him to lead to
a leave the division. Oh, I know, can you go somewhere?
(01:07):
You know all the family trades, the secrets. I don't
like that Carrie, but yeah, now he has been Johnson.
It definitely an offensive genius for sure, and you saw
what he did with Jared Goff those years, putting him
crazy numbers. The offense was explosive and so therefore you
hope if you're the Bears or Bears fan, it carries
over to the Bears.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
But specifically they had an idea of kind of where
they wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
And here's what Caleb had to say kind of his
projections and hope for this upcoming season.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Obviously, I have self goals, and that's you know, being
the first four thousand yard passer in Bear's history. That's
a you know, a goal of mine. Seventy percent completion
that helps the team keeps on the field, puts in
better positions. And then other than that, just trying to
go down and you know, score the most post points
that we can with these tracks that we have. So
you know, that's that's kind of my self goal, and
obviously other you know, other than that, you got to
go win. That's success for me, that's success for the team.
(01:53):
You know, that's all that's all we wish for and
all I wish for.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So I don't actually don't have a craze.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I'm not gonna give you this wild screwta now you
ever say that, No, No, he's got goals. You have goals,
whatever that is right now professionally maybe you know, I
know you do stuff in entertainment from movies and like
we all have goals, and you should. You should reaware
in my life, you should assess where you are. I
don't have a problem. The only thing I might suggest
was you could kind of have done is keep it
(02:20):
in house. And the only couple of reasons why I
say that. Number one, I just mentioned you got a
new head coach, a new system, a new approach, and
I don't believe you all know what you are yet.
I don't think you know if we're going to be
a run heavy team, if we're gonna be Caleb We're lying, Hey,
Caleb man, we need you throw forty five hundred and
fifty fifty one hundred yards. You know you don't know
exactly what you are and you don't know what's going
(02:41):
to be winning football for your team right kind of
because now I don't want it to be if I'm
a part of the Bears organization where every single week
everyone's overly analyzing, well, he only threw for one hundred
and eighty which if you do the math time seventeen
weeks and you know now it's only at thirty six
hundred yards. Ha, he's not going to get those goals
seventy percent completion. It's crazy, right, that's huge. That's some
(03:02):
Drew Bledsoe types, Drew Brees type stuff. Not everybody does that.
You can be very successful with sixty three, sixty five,
sixty six if you again are making the big plays
when you need it. Patrick Mahomes, for example, wasn't amazing
last year with his stats, but he may key plays
when he needed to. To a tune of fifteen in
two and to the tune of the Super Bowl appearance, again,
(03:23):
do you know who won the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
That's right?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
A guy who threw for like thirty one hundred yards
or something. A guy who wasn't throwing down three hundred
four hundred yard games all the time, but a guy
who uses legs effectively, a guy who managed the field
possession and who ran the ball with the best running
back in the Saquon Barkley last year. And to the
tune of the Super Bowl appearance, and I'll blowout victory.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
So to me, there are multiple ways to.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Skin this cat, and I don't want you to apply
pressure where it's not needed. Let's find out who we are,
what we do well, what you do well, and the
focus should be getting the ball up quicker. Can we
get to two point two seconds? He was holding too much,
he was playing some of that. I'm just the best
player on the field in high school. I'm just the
best player in the field in college. To the tune
of a Heisman, and I can get away with that.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
This is the prose.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
And as you know, being a defensive player yourself, they fast, yes,
theay fast, not they are they vain and the defensive
linemen are fast. The offensive the linebackers are fast. Safeties
are coming at you. So you have to kind of
be on play, on time and in the system what
we got going now when you need to improvise, great,
that's what makes you special. To the tune of a
number one pick, and everyone said the best quarterback prospect
(04:30):
since Andrew Luck. So that's my only thing. I don't
honestly care that he has projections for himself. I think
everybody comes in and they're like, I want to be
a Pro Bowl quarterback or I want to be.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
You know, and you can tell me I'm a dB.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I want to have four interceptions, you know, deflect ten taxes,
whatever it may be, have forty tackles.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I don't know, but I just wait right now, I've
had one hundred the first right, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Don't want to do this right and so my last
point is just let's find out who we are. Let's
see what works best for us. We don't have to
do the projections allowed everybody hearing it so that now
it's at it fuel and it's just you know, it's
it's Chicago radio every week when you don't have the
numbers that will match what we said because you might
only throw sixty percent, but dang, we won by two touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Right well, I think what he said was very generic,
right where people may take it as a hot take
and take it as you know, real fodder, conversation fodder.
But for me, all this screams to me is this
is the team's mindset.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Right.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
All he sounds like to me is Ben Johnson. So
it seems like they had a conversation. This is what
is where you should be, This is where I see
you going and he's just echoing it. I don't think
he's doing too much here, obviously. I think his goals
are even bigger than that. Right, he didn't say I
want to be the best quarterback in the division. I
want to be appropriate. Like, he didn't say those type
of things. He said team goals because in theory and
(05:51):
team goals, if you pass as a team for seventy
percent doing pretty well, if you pass the four thousand yards,
that's an excellent season. Like, I don't think he's basically
stepping out in the limb and saying I'm this guy.
This just sounds like conversation he had with Ben Johnson,
and this is what our team needs for you to
be successful and for our team to be successful. So
I don't really take too much stock in this. I
(06:12):
know people will, and I think the beautiful part about
him and Caleb Williams is he can do it so
and we talk about him having a bad season or
a bounce back season.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I thought he was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's why. Yeah, depending on how you want, is the
glass half it?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah? Cool?
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Yeah, Under the circumstances with that team and the way
that they were organized, organized and their head coach and
their offense. He outperformed what he should do. So, in
my opinion, having been Johnson in the house with him,
I'm really excited to see what happened with this name.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
The head coach cost him maybe three games easy alone.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
That's why I'm saying, like, when we could I like
visibly identify you should have won that game.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Then there's other ones, maybe you know the play here,
maybe back all here, but definitely there were three that
were like, bru, what were we doing here?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Right right? It's a win.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
They could have maybe should have beat the Lions one
of those games as well, you know. Yeah, and they
had a couple and then a couple of bad breaks
and miss field go here, and some things happened defensive
back running out in the what's up party over here?
The players have to play in motion and he, you know,
he gives up that deep hell, Mary, So I had
a d had a handful of games where they were
(07:20):
in games better than the record will reflect. And I
do think he's probably again excited to have a Ben
Johnson in there who can see, you know, what he
can do best and draw out of him. Yeah, but
I think he I think people I think he did
well under the circumstances. And again considering you're trying to
change those habits of yo, you don't have to be superman,
And in some cases you probably can't be superman because
(07:43):
the way the league is stiffer. In college, seventy five
eighty five percent of those people you played against ain't
going pro, you know what I mean? Yes, they're good, Yeah,
but this is it. The buck stops here, this is
the last bus stop.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
These are the big boys. These are the big boys.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Where that defensive lineman you like, he runs just as
fast as as you.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Oh yeah, I mean, if you think that you're the
best athlete on the field in that league, if your
name's not Lamar Jackson, you're you're right, You're you're playing yourself. Yeah,
And I think he's got that introduction already. He got
to see on the team where again he had to
learn on the fly, had to make decisions on the fly.
And you can tell like he wasn't confident in their
scheme because what you just said, right, he's trying to
be superman and make plays happen, not being on time.
(08:22):
But with Ben Johnson, he will be on time.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
That's what Ben Johnson about you can see it with
his last quarterback in Jared Golf and what he did
for him.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And this is the way and the way. It's why
I get so much. I mean, all right, I'm be alad,
don't get emotion. It's okay.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
The way he had the offense running, man, it was
so good. You sound like pop pop, Hold me down,
a man.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
The Lions were so good when it was just fun
to one. This is what I knew. You want to
know well multiple times, but you don't want to know
what I knew. Rob Parker was a hater.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Rob Gie.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You remember when I asked him, he was, I don't
hate the Lions. I just and I said simple questions
like he always tried to put people no answer yes
or no. I said, so you can say the Lions
aren't gonna win a super Bowl. And this was like
two thirds of the way through the season where I
believe this question I'm gonna ask you was very factual.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
No one would say no.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I said, so you're trying to tell me, if nothing else,
the Lions aren't fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
He said they're not fun to watch. Remember that robbed
he couldn't. I saw what to lie. At least give
me it. They're they're a blast to watch. Come on,
like they're entered there. They're really funny. Of course, I mean,
if you like, lose it. If you're not gonna make
this super, I don't know what it's gonna make suit
Right now, Rob, I'm just saying, right now, right now,
you telling me not one of the most fun teams
watching the last few years. Yes, and he couldn't have been.
I'm like, dude, you got Jared Goff catching touchdown passes.
(09:37):
It's like, come on, man, at least admit that. But no,
I I this is but this is where it is
going to be interesting. On the other end, the bounce
back for the Lions, meaning you lose a Ben Johnson
his creativity did you keep enough in house? And and
Aaron Glenn on the defensive side of the balls, well,
who I think will get a bad rap towards the end,
but people will forget he lost so many starters one
hundredfensive end as well. All right, Kayleb Williams and the
(09:59):
procl oh real quick, forget it? How bad are the
Bears that you've never had a four thousand yard passer?
Pretty bad and this era where guys are chucking it
all around, teams have had multiple four thousand yard passes
kind of the standard if you're a good quarter but
you don't even have to be great, just if you're
a good quarterback. Yeah, to never have had that, what
the heck is wrong with your franchise? Yeah, they'll do
it this year. And I understand defense and running it.
(10:21):
And did I ever tell you about sweetness how great you?
I understand that in the eighties. Yeah, but bruh, somebody
accidentally throws for for you know, forty two hundre yard
just got hot, right, I had an eight week stretch.
You know a few of those hell marys worked something
ran into some reason that year you played you know,
the you played the bad Lions years when they were bad,
(10:43):
and maybe the Vikings weren't the greatest thing, and maybe
you got to play the Jags or AFC South or
something at the time and you had some bad teams
and you threw for fourrety two hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
My goodness.
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One of the things I like that we'll branch out
and have some interesting conversation. I love you and I
wrap a lot off the air, and so I know
you're a guy who's you know, complex and and have
depth and can have these types of conversations as well.
I think one I wanted to have was Hawk Hogan,
who died at the age of seventy one today cardiac arrest.
And I found it just really interesting how people have
(12:34):
to go about their posts in twenty twenty five. Here's
what I mean. If you're around our age, you grew
up with Hawk Hogan being you're a three year old
running around the house, five year oldruning around the house
in your little onesies, you know, our little underwear doing
wrestling moves, watching him as the sport was taken off.
That was me, you know, walking and walking watching him.
(12:57):
You know, what are you gonna do when the hawks
comes out of you? And ripping tank tops and like
that era? Listen up, brother, Yeah, that era was lit
right for me. You had him and in a little
bit later Ultimate Warriors, Ultimate Warrior, Andre the Giant and
uh Coco Beware and I might be mixing up w
W Rick all this.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
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The eighties was my was my time, you know, Junkyard Dog,
Million Dollar Man again.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I might be mixing up at the point, but thees
I enjoyed it was great. It was fun. Saturday mornings
were a blast.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right then I jumped out pretty early, just because once
you realize it wasn't about twelve eleven ish for me,
I don't know. And a lot of people kept going
and that's their thing. And we and I'm talking Rob g.
There were guys all age maybe five, six, seven years old,
are all in to this day, still go to WrestleManias.
(13:49):
You know, got their podcast dedicated to it, got the merch.
They're there. They're all in. They're locked in, which is
perfectly fine. We all have our things right. And I
found that people had a difficult day today because of
Halkogan's transgessis right. You got sex tape, you got the
use of the N word, you've got other stuff. Maybe
politically shows up to the GOP convention and he's you know,
he's out there ripping shirts then in favor of President Trump,
(14:13):
candidate Trump at the time, but now you know, now
president again for the second term. And I just found
it interesting that people had to let they were nervous
how to post because they're a fan of wrestling and
he means so much to their youth, but because of
all the other stuff over the last ten fifteen years,
they didn't know if they were to just say a
picture of him, oh man, rest in peace to the
(14:36):
great Hawk Hogan. And especially if they're a person of color,
especially if they were black, they knew what was coming.
What you mean the racist, what you mean to this,
what you mean to that? And there were those things.
There's no denying that, sure, but I found it interesting
that people had to press, well, this is all only
wrestler only, I'm only talking about the wrestler. Or and
(14:59):
was there a thing between are we in the day
and age now where we have to separate, you know,
Hawk Hogan from Terry Hogan, you know, like the character.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I loved him, or I was all in on you.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I love the show, I loved wrestling, I loved you know,
the reality showed effect, whatever your thing was. And I'm
not down with the him the person. And I just
found it interesting because if where are we now with sports?
Do you love Cliff Huxtable but not Bill Cosby in sports?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Oh you're going, I see what you're doing in sports?
It is that's not easy.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Some people they h you know, I rock with the Steelers,
but I didn't rock with Ben Roethlisberger what he did
in the you know the young lady. And so where
do you draw that line between the person and the player,
the person and the entertainment, the person and the musician,
whatever it is. And I find this and I don't.
By the way, I don't have the answer. I'll give
(15:56):
you a real world example for me. Okay, a lot
of people tried to come down on Michael Jackson a man.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
For me, it beat.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
It came on right now if remember the Time or thriller.
I'm a jam me too, because for me, he obviously
had the trials.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
And do I think he was a strange dude?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yes, but I can like separate and it's like I
no real evidence and show them anything?
Speaker 9 (16:19):
Then?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Would r Kelly for me just to use these as example?
I start to hear in the music. Now that I'm older,
I can look back like, oh, shoot, R Kelly went
as a dangerous one.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
He was saying.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
He was saying, what the songs, Yeah for too many
in the windows and little things, and I'm like, ooh shoot,
and it hurts because he's one.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
He was one of, you know, my favorite artists. He
was amazing. But that so it doesn't quite feel as
good for me.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I hear, oh, I read that line there, you know,
So show me some id and little things and it's like, ooh,
his moniker changed to the pied piper. Who would the
pie piper do? Play the flute? And lude kids Lord kids,
and just some weird stuff that I'm like, I don't feel.
So my point of saying all this is I don't
have the answers, but it was. It's amazing me to
see people nervous how to post about Hawkkan because their
(17:04):
youth or their fandom for wrestling. Love what he meant.
The sport blew up because he commercialized it to another level.
We wouldn't have you, Rock Stone Coach, Steve Austin under
all these massive stars without him, but they had to
quickly get you.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
But I don't condone the stuff in it. I don't
like commedianes.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I raised it and I was like, Wow, we're at
the place I because of the advent of social media,
because of twenty four hour news cycles and sports shows
and bachel we know everything about people.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
We talk about it. It's on your timeline.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
And I think people were able to get away with
maybe being bad people back in the day, yes, and
we didn't know, yes, the very easy or being complex
people and we didn't know.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Yeah, the very easy way to approach this in this
topic of what you're saying is don't post about it.
I know people want to show their adoration. I know
they want to be in the times with the people
and the masses and show their appreciation or show their
love for whoever it is, or show their disdain for
whoever it is. Right, But why does it have to
go on social media for people to show their appreciation
(18:03):
or disdain to anybody?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Right?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
It's we live in a culture.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Where it's more about the person and the other person
on the other end of the keyboard who has a
chance to dispute it, refute it, or agree with it.
Like we're giving power to those people way too much.
Because if you do have an adoration for Hook Hogan
or Michael Jackson or whoever it is. The world doesn't
(18:27):
have to know about it. That can be your best
friend you talk to about it off air or off
off the sites, off of social media. So I think, yes,
it's a dangerous game while trying to do it on
because everything you do on somebody's going to have something
else to say about it, of course, And so that's
the dangerous game, right, Like you have to give yourself
and allow yourself the space to grieve and to celebrate
(18:47):
and do the things you want to on your own
time and on your own space and your own in
your own little world. Man, Because I think it's dangerous.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Now.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Nobody wants the safeguy. Nobody wants to interact with the
person that's always politically correct either. So it's like, okay,
somebody's on here looking for like somebody went on the
internet today and was like I'm gonna look and see
whoever posted about Holgan today.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Be more specific, like especially a black person like that
part if you're post yeah and they're absolutely waking up.
If you're a black person, you post about it on
your head and again you have the fair I'm talking
about personal people I know, yes on my phage and
timelines who are struggling, like I want to talk about
him because I'm like, I mean, wrestling nerds like I
(19:33):
get it in. Yeah, but they were all I'm gonna
say is he did a lot for the sport and
they kind of jumped off the postal.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Let me just say this, he took the sport to
another level and Harry, you know, but I ain't gonna
say noting else or other people were like, you know,
trying to do deep dive and think pieces. And again
he put a lot of this on himself. Yes, when
you have racist phone calls, when you got sex tapes
out there, when you got other things you've done, when
you start joining in the lining with the group of
(20:01):
people who politically a lot of people feel are mistreating people,
are belittling people, are disrespectful to people, and that's how
you've lined yourself up with them.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
This is what you're gonna get and listen to.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
This, Kevin, and like the thing about Hope, though two
of those incidents were supposedly private, and so this is
the other part about the legacy of us as humans, right,
Like everybody wants everything to be public, and when you
want everything to be public, there's gonna be things about people,
and you're the people you idolize that you don't like.
And that's the part, like stop fishing for the thing
(20:34):
and allow the character, allow the person to be that person,
to stop deep diving.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
And that's where it gets complicated to me because again
I say, for instance, Babe brutes, he's so many people,
the greatest American athlete. He listen, we dive into some
Babe ruthes. So of course we're gonna be like, whoa,
I mean, that's Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Some people, Oh he's got gambling issues some people, No,
he just likes to gamble a little bit, like he
does this. Why didn't Michael Jordan ever speak up about,
you know, black issue, like you can deep dive on
so many people, Tom Brady people was you know, well,
what's the maca hat behind you? You know, and and
other things that you know he's done and trance. So
that's my thing is that it is interesting when you're
(21:12):
an entertainer musician in this case, and an athlete slash
entertainer because wrestling, you know, he is athletic and you know,
some people think it's just drama whatever you want to
call it, when your kind of skeletons are out there,
your things. Now we're going to judge you. Now, we're gonna,
you know, look at you the person. But again, can
we love and respect or idolize or enjoy the character?
(21:33):
I think it's just a great conversation. A lot of
people love John Wayne.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
He was this.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Then you start diving into John Wayne, You're like, right,
I don't really like what John Wayne was about exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
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Speaker 3 (21:54):
There used to be I could be this, you could
be that. We might jab each other real how is?
How can and then we can have lunch at dinner.
Move on, now, put the gloves on, maybe go bare knuckle.
Let's fight like you can't if you're on that side.
On that side, we've lost all civility or civil discourse
on how I might not like this athlete, this thing,
this person, and you know we can talk about it.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Oh those days are long gone. All right?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Thank you again, everybody, You perfect guy to have on
for this conversation. There are reports.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Now that.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Out of Slovenia. By the way, we're international with this. Okay,
we ain't just love it. It's just ain't La just California.
This just ain't America. Okay, we got plugs everywhere we connected.
You got plugs everywhere, Okay, Slovenia a Sylvinian plug.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yes, the national team there, the basketball team.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
The reports basically that it kind of leaked out that
they expect Luca to re sign with the Lakers, which,
talking to you know, I've never envisioned a day that
he wasn't. But but you never know, because he lost
out on all that money by being trade from Dallas.
So maybe he was like, hey, after this, I can
go anywhere I want to try to, you know, restart
there if you will. But I was looking at it
like this, it's supposed to be the next four years
(23:05):
and thinking about it, well, what is success for Luke
and the Lakers in four years? What would you gauge
as successful? And for me real quick, yep, Carrie, huh,
you gotta give me a ring.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Gotta get a ring.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Then I'm gonna tell you why when magic got here
year one year one boom ring. When you fast forward
some year, blah blahh okay, by the time shack here
by a year?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
What was that about? Year three? Ring?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
And another one Kobe and another one, you know, exactly
back to back. And even Kobe when Shaq left, Galvin
gave him a few years three for you back at
it and another one you know, I mean, oh way
he got to the finals. They would lose to the self.
I mean, you're back to the finals, so on and
so over. My point is Lebron comes here after but
year two with it two didn't Yeah, yeah, got in
(24:04):
eighteen twenty twenty, got the ring. The point is, I
think for Luca four years and he and and here's
the key part. He's just that good. We've seen you
drag Dallas a couple of years back now to the finals.
If they do their part, no it's not alone. If
Rob Polinka has to do his part, you bring in
some talent, you know, you gotta DeAndre Ayton. We'll see
(24:26):
if he's able to really step his game up. You know,
I don't think markus smartest part of your long term future.
But you know, but what's the next move if Lebron's
gone next year, what's the next move Because that's fifty
two mil off the books, you know, so then maybe
you go get a really good guy that's relatively young
that you compare with Luca and go, now you got
three years with that guy and see what we can do.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Point being, I think that's realistic.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I didn't rattle off two to three because the West
is crazy exactly. Yeah, but I think that's fair with
knowing Lebron is going to be gone, knowing there's new
opportunity to bring it into another big two to go
with Luca and and then filling with pieces because you'll
have some money and all that. I feel like getting
a ring would be successful for Luca. He's in He's
(25:07):
directly in that prime sweet spot now with a chip
on his shoulder. Yep, you're you're hookah, Doncic, you're out
of shape. You're this you got traded the team, you'd
buying a house in the city. You're closing on the house.
They say, nah, bruh, get out. Yep, this makes sense
to me. Yeah, no, you're I think you're one hundred
percent right. I mean, he has in these next four
years he has to win one. He's already in year eight,
(25:28):
which is just crazy to me. I know, right, yeah,
it's crazy. So time was like four, like the fifth
or so. Right, time's flying.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
So he's like you said, drug a Dallas team to
the Promised Land, couldn't get it done, had some really
successful teams there where you know that he needed help,
and he still got there right in a loaded West.
So you go to La, you go to a team
now that actually has money to spend and they're going
to be, like you said, off of a big contract
(25:54):
next year. I think, well, Lebron, I think this is
it for him. It feels that it feels that way.
Obviously we never don't know, yea, yeah, but we feel
that right, and so you'll be able to assimilate some pieces.
It's gonna be La, It's gonna be Luca. So if
they if he doesn't win one in the next four years,
it will be a failure. And I know I know him.
I've seen him play for eight years. When he's motivated
(26:15):
and when somebody says he can't do something, he does it.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
And so I'm excited to see what he does this year.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
He looks good, he looks like he's in shape. I'm
I'm actually rooting for him until he played Dallas obviously,
but oh all y'all are of course.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Until now. But no, he has to win one for sure.
You saying that now, Well, if y'all didn't get Cooper fly,
you will be still Jersey.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
No, No, because I went to I went to Dallas
because of Dirk. I'm a dirt guy, manzi Uh, never mind,
you're a Clipper fan, rob G. You're the resident Laker here.
I'm looking around maybe Shaye as well, but point being
as well. Four years, what's for you as a Laker fan.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
Well, you got to get at least one, yeah, minimum
minimum in himum one, so you're saying it should be
multiple and for you. Honestly, I don't think people comproment
you guys do because you, especially carry you're a mass fan.
I don't think people understand how great of a start
Luca Dodgess is.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
No career, it's like precedent all.
Speaker 9 (27:17):
Time, like the greatest of the greatest players ever.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Honey, you might have the greatest start ever, like including Mike,
Like I mean, what he's been able to do for
the first six years of give or take him his
career absolutely.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Yeah, his first six years Rookie of the Year, five
time First Team All.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
NBA and then what that next year goes to the finals.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Yes, but you still can't say it's the best because
he didn't win it, right, But I'm just saying individually.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Okay, nobody, I don't think I mean bird, right, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 9 (27:47):
Like, that's crazy and for him, it's not like, you know,
all respect to magic. Magic showed up on a team
that already had the arguably the best player in the
league and added another number one pick.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Like later.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It was loaded Jamal Jamal Wilkes, Storm and Norman Nixon,
uh Kareem maculd wasn't there yet, but it's somebody like
two years later, James Worthy, its worthy Byron Scott.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
You had Michael Thompson coming off the bench just absolutely
load and that's not what Lugo came into. And he
immediately changed the culture, immediately made them legitimate threats. Whatever
you think of how good if they could have actually
wanted or not. So his benchmark is so much higher
than than what you would consider to be a normal expectation,
(28:36):
Like you expect more. It's like you talked about Lebron
You're like, hey, if this guy don't get at least
two or three, then there's something went horribly wrong.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And that was part of an argument or not argument actually,
but the conversation me and Hamon. I was just saying that, well,
we'll tell you more. I say, we got a good
shop talk coming up. Yeah, well I was going to
do that, we got shop talk.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I ain't want to do that. I don't want to
disrespect the talk. Save it, save it. I'll just be
very quick.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Robbgi touched on exactly what I one of the reasons
why when we have the who's better this person? And
I say, lebron is I brought it up yesterday. I
just don't remember anyone from after about year two and
a half three is the expectations were finals, except maybe
like magic because my hates only one. To me, We're
like Kobe when he had down, like the team wasn't great.
(29:26):
You didn't have you like, oh, they don't make it.
They should make it right because he's got Chris mam,
spush part. This person is not a great team. Robert Sakra.
You know, I mean, I mean, I know they catch
a straight sitting there. Yeah, like what I do, right,
but you get what I mean. And and and Jordan
his first seven years or so, he ain't getting past
the Celtic. He ain't getting passive pit. You didn't have
that expectations like no, he's gonna put up number. They'll
be fun, cute, fun, but it ain't getting chanced. Whereas Lebron,
(29:48):
it was like, no, dog, You're supposed to be in
the finals every year. And I was just like, wow,
that's a crazy expectation. And to robb GI's point, Luca's
kind of that good where you're like, uh, why are
you ain'ting in the finals.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Luca, Well, my team I know, but still why didn't
have anything? I know?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
But still well so and so it is hurt, I know,
but still and that's that's to me one of the
separators when I started talking about you know, you gotta
we gotta, you know, thinness of hair between somebody versus
somebody
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