July 31, 2025 • 39 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether it's fair to say that Trey Lance is the biggest bust in NFL history. Plus, USA today columnist Christine Brennan swings by to discuss her new best-selling book, 'On Her Game: Caitlin Clark and the Revolution in Women's Sports'. Later, the Odd Couple Crew shares their proudest professional moments in this week's edition of Shop Talk.
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Her a little shop talk, talk a little bit more
about the SCSU and accomplishments people have made in their
lives and whatnot. We'll all chop it up on that.
So we got a lot of stuff to do here.
And I do want to say the Hall of Fame
game is about to kick off, and this will be
the biggest game the Lions win all year.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I just want to put that out there.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Louisiana rub and some hot honey Wings.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Disappointed like this is this is going to be I
think this is going to be, rob G, more epic
than when Chris went and tried on those Jordans after
the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Took a two nothing lead against the Nationals.
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And putting your foot in the soul is crazy, right, like, well, like,
what what are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah,
putting your foot in the shoe is crazy. Although I
can't I can take the Louisiana rub and hot honey
Wings right now.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah, Okay, rob G, this game is so mean list
that Trey Lance is playing.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I'm just saying, wow, I mean, let's just call it
what we want.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Ain't black quarterbacks, but day I'm just saying what.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
That's right, Trey Lance, the former top three overall pick
in the NFL Draft twenty twenty one, We'll be getting
the start tonight in the Hall of Fame game because.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Just forty nine to brain trust should have been fired
years ago, but they got lucky with the mister irrelevant.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
That's what it's still.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Around because Chargers QB one Justin Herbert will not dress.
Chargers QB two Tyler Heineke is being held out as
just an emergency quarterback, so that means Trey Lance will
be getting the bulk of the snaps tonight. And Guys,
a couple hours ago, I put this tweet out, not
thinking much of it until Martin Weiss retweets it and
friend of the show Daniel Kelly retweets it. Apparently I
was honest something. I put out this tweet and let
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you let me know what you guys think.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I say. Nobody brings it up because he went number three.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Is a number one, but Trey Lance has to be
the front runner for the biggest bust in NFL history.
Two teams didn't even need to really see him play
to decide he couldn't play. That's unheard of for a
first round pick. And here's what I mean, guys, Trey
Lance will be entering his fifth NFL season. He's only
started five games in his NFL career. This despite being
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taken third overall by the forty nine ers and famously,
as you guys mentioned, got unsurped by mister Irrelevant himself,
Brock Party in San Francisco got traded to the Dallas
Cowboys for a fourth round pick and a bag of peanuts,
And you would think, hey, Dak Prescott got hurt last year.
(04:38):
I'm sure we saw plenty of Trey Lance in Dallas. No,
they said, hey, Cooper Rush is the guy we want
to see, not the guy we paid a fourth round
pick to get. So I don't think that it's even
a question. I believe Trey Lance is easily the biggest
bust in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Your thoughts, Calvin he is, so, I don't think he's
the biggest bus.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I'm gonna tell you why. And I thought long and
hard about this. I looked at all scenarios. Here's why
he's the biggest bust. Now he's the quietest bust, and
that is the biggest one. But the reason why he's
so bad that nobody even gives him a chance to play.
And you start digging in some of the other guys,
rob they at least got seasons or another season, two,
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three seasons or sixteen eighteen twenty five starts. He don't
even get to start. And he was a third pick
and they moved all the way up to get him.
And part of the bust part of it is, mister irrelevant,
took your spot. That's that's you, the guy on the block,
and a nerdy little dude comes and takes your girl.
That can't happen. Right, the little lame, nerdy dude in
(05:41):
some nineteen eighties rom com stole your girl, duck Ducky
from what is that sweet? Sixteen or sixteen candles steals
your girl that can't happen. Trey Lance is so bad.
He's so bad we actually forget about him. Because you
remember JaMarcus Russell, you remember A Q. Smith, You for
sure remember Ryan Leaf. We bring these other guys up
when we talk about bus. Trey Lance is so bad,
(06:03):
we actually don't forget about him. He's like the football
version of Anthony Bennett. You don't even remember Anthony Bennett.
You talk about OLAA. Candy or maybe Ben Simmons when
you talk about bus Mark hall Fultz. Anthony Bennet was
so bad you forgot him. And that's what Trey Lance is.
We don't even remember him. So it's disappointing how he
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doesn't even get a chance to play. Teams don't even
want him. And I think that's why for me, because
when I really look at it, other guys at least
got fifteen twenty five stars a few seasons. Usually you
get your chances. You might just suck, but you get
your chances. He's walking up with the clipboard and they're saying, nah,
bro we good. And that's to me why he is
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he has to be. He doesn't even get a shot.
Rob everybody else got a shot.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I disagree with you.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Here's my problem. Trey Lance to me was a was
questionable at best. Okay, he played one college season only
through the ball.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
What he had two hundred and eighty seven attempts, So.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
He wasn't even really you know what I mean, Like
they thought they were geniuses and they saw something because.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
You remember, the talk was he hadn't played enough.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
There wasn't enough tape on him, right, So for him
to be drafted, for them to move up and draft
him third, that's on them. I don't what's his body
of work that you thought, seriously, Kelvin, he was gonna
be something special. He didn't do anything in college. This
was a question mark from Jump Street. That's why he
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can't be the biggest bust. And then you have JaMarcus Russell,
of course, who was the overall number one pick, and
that was just a disaster from day one. But I
still think that it's this guy who is the biggest
bust in NFL history.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Don't talk to me, all right, knock it.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Up right leave, don't talk to me like that. Dude
was like was bonkers. He was terrible and he acted
like a baby.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
He was like he was unhinged because he was terrible
and people were asking questions. He was a guy right
second overall pick and he was like this guy where
people thought you had a quarterback of the future like this.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
This is the thing that's different is that people.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Were like, oh my god, Ryan Leif started only eighteen
games four and fourteen. He was supposed to be the
new hotness. He was supposed to be something special. That's
not what Trey Lance was supposed to be. Nobody. That's
why that's why the forty nine ers people get off
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Scott Freed. It's because he really, if you're honest about it,
and I get it, to be drafted as third and
they moved up. And here's the other part. He didn't
play enough for us to say that he can't play.
He got hurt in his first year. What did he play,
rob g Three games? Remember he played like three games.
One was in the rain. He got hurt and then
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that was it. They really didn't give him a chance.
Like That's why I can't believe that he could be
considered the greatest bust of all time.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
He just did not get a chance to play enough.
Whereas I look at Ryan Leaf, the Ryan.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Leaf has clearly because of all the craziness and the
spiral and the personal life spiral. Now, obviously he's gonna
seem to be in a better place now. If anybody
you know you've seen him speaking, he went off, he
was unhead whiched. Yeah, his life went down as well
some of these guys when you look dive deep into it.
JaMarcus Russell being another. I mean coming in twenty at
two ninety, coming in a camp at two ninety, as
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crazy as a quarterback getting a DVD that has nothing
on it, and then they asked you, Hey, did you
watch the tape? Yeah, I got I watched the tape.
Man that was you know, I saw all the highlights.
Oh Harrison is there that dude? That's embarrassing. But so
I'm not mad at those. But the one thing I'm
saying about Trey Lance is usually in NBA, NFL, it
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would be something when you're a third pick. We're gonna run,
We're gonna exhaust all options with you.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
But he didn't playing college though, Can you at least
acknowledge that he you.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Know, he wasn't Peyton Manning' esque or you know some
guy coming out Andrew Lock coming out of college. But
I'm saying to Zach Wilson, wasn't that guy coming out
like that? But Zack Wilson gets you know, got a
couple of years, he got chances, nobody like he had. No,
he had a better year. But I'm saying, there have
been other guys who come from smaller schools. You've Ben Roethlisberger,
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Joe Flacko, and we can go down the list of
guys who come Josh Allen who come from smaller people.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Was stunned when the forty nine has moved up to
take him.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean, I just like which I'm saying, because they're
trying to be geniuses.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
If I That's why I'm saying, you know, owners love
to prove themselves right, and you had to be so
bad that they went all the way up, gave up
a bunch to get you, get you, and then go no,
we're good and credit them because you and I have
talked about how many times if you make a mistake,
you got to own it. You got to move on. Joe,
what's the quote from Joe Dumars.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
It ain't about being right, it's about getting it right.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Forty nine ers. Because it now here we are, we're
just about a month or so ago. Brock Party just
got a big check. So they got their guy. So
credit them for that, because a lot of teams do
what I'm saying. They hold on, They hold on.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
The Super Bowl Party. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Just to just to keep, just to prove a point.
No no, no, no, we got it right, trust me.
Give him some time. No no no, we got to right.
Let him get healthy. No no, no, we got it right.
He was so bad they said, we're willing to move
on and get mister irrelevant here now to the two
of him getting a big, huge, massive contract. But Ryan Lee,
obviously I'll never be mad at that because the parallels
to him are tied to Peyton Manning too. Like it
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wasn't just he was the guy and he failed. The
guy before you, the one and two punch, if you will,
was Peyton Manning and that and that worked out. A
sneaky name in here is A k Smith if you
remember him, Achille Smith with the Bengals.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
He was a third overall pick back in ninety nine
and he ended up being terrible. And the biggest thing
is the Bengals really were the biggest losers in this
because Mike Dicka was willing to give them uh nine
picks because he wanted to get Ricky Williams so bad.
He was going to give them nine picks if they
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if he would just for that one swap, and they
chose not to do it because they thought Achille Smith
was gonna be the guy. So that's a massive one
because what could have been And had you gotten all
those picks, you know, and you could have changed the
franchise for a decade.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
But didck have made a lot of mistakes? Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
But that but he's lucky at the that the Bengals
didn't take it.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah. So A Kille Smith with the Bengals as a
sleeper one and he.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Got hurt early too, didn't he? I remember him getting.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
He got her. I believe it was his second year.
But but what was.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
The running back from the Bengals on his first snap
from seton. Was it running back who got hurt? Like
the first snap from center was almost like Aaron Rodgers
John Carter?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah, right, like could Johnny Carter?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Like if it was John Carter from Pens State, he
would like it to be it was like his first snap.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, he was supposed to be that. I mean, he
was that guy in college, but then yeah he Yeah,
he didn't work out in the league. That's the crass wire.
Listen that, Troy. That's why Trey Anderson get your money
when you came man, you never know what's gonna happen
in this league in his game?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
All right? Uh?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
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the biggest bust in NFL history? That's where Kelvin is.
I am not in that camp, and if not, who is?
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All right, Rob, taking some coke phone calls. Biggest NFL
bus ever. You got a few options out there, handful.
I think we all kind of have like four or
five that we kind of all rotate as the biggest
uh Ryan leaf you say, Trey Lance, because don't they
might even remember Trey Lance eight seven, seven ninety nine on.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Fox Who we got Eric in Austin, Texas. You're on
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
What's up, Eric?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
What's up?
Speaker 10 (16:31):
Rob?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
What up? Vin?
Speaker 10 (16:32):
Are you guys?
Speaker 11 (16:32):
What up?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
What up? What up?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Rob?
Speaker 10 (16:35):
Welcome back, welcome back? We missed you, Thank you, Hey,
I Rob, I'm with you. I can't put that much
on Trey Lance because you should have been taken in
the first place. Y'all know Ron Metal Cossay shimming five
years ago, I put down the forty nine ers. Now
in terms of the biggest rab buzz anitel history, it
really is sports. Honestly, for me, it has to be
JaMarcus Russell. Do you realize the Raiders took him over.
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Calvin Johnson, Darrell Reeves and Joe Thomas now took him first.
And the biggest thing with JaMarcus Russeller is the talent
was there. So aaren was there, You're in.
Speaker 11 (17:07):
A four, eight forty. Everything was there. He just didn't want.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It, that was your point. He So you know what
I've heard sometimes in life, you name the sports, sometimes
are just big. Some people are just bigger, faster. Marcus
Russell was just big and strong his whole life, and
you could tell he didn't want to be the best,
right He just happened to be bigger and stronger than
everybody's whole life till it came to the pros where
you got to put the work in no doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Jeremy in Washington, you're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
What's up, Jeremy, what's up?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Ron?
Speaker 11 (17:35):
Welcome back, welcome back, Thank you boss. This dude, I've
been waiting see you to come back so I can.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Call him, appreciate it, Thank you, my man.
Speaker 10 (17:43):
Hey.
Speaker 11 (17:44):
Every day, almost every day, I agree with you, Rob,
but I'm gonna have to agree with Kelvin on the Oh, tell.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Me explain, do some explaining, Lucy.
Speaker 11 (17:55):
You got JaMarcus Russell, Okay, who is he linked with?
Like Calvin Johnson I believe in like the last caller
said Darrel Reeves. And you got and then you got
uh who was drafted with Tom Brady. I can't remember
Kelly Smith. And then and then you got Ryan Leef
with Peyton Manning. But man, I get all of that,
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but man, Trey Lance, dude, nobody either want to get
this guy a chance like these other guys got chances
to play, you know, like the dude hasn't showed anything
on the field. That rainy game against the Bears and everything.
That was one game, and yeah, the weather conditions was
out of hand. But this dude with Trey Lance and
Cowboys don't even want to give him a chance. Man,
(18:39):
That ain't that I would have gave Trey Lance a chance.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
That ain't.
Speaker 11 (18:43):
You don't think you don't think that is that rock?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Come, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I just didn't see anything in college that that warranted.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
But that I totally get your point with that, Rob,
But that happens, right, There's always this random player that
skies over everybody like, oh, you don't know about him?
He's the man.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Oh how was somebody that was a reach pick to me?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Listen, it was Tayshawn Pritz. Okay, it was definitely Raison
Rondo Arms. But the fact that he didn't even get chances.
You get chances just because I have to do justify
my as a coach in a GM. I gotta give
you the chances. He didn't even get done.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
How about Darren in North Dakota. You're on the eye
couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Darren, what's up?
Speaker 11 (19:22):
What's up?
Speaker 10 (19:22):
Kelvin?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
How are you.
Speaker 11 (19:25):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (19:26):
I'm gonna be biased, right, I'm a big North Dakota
State fan Bison over here. But you guys, Kelvin, I'm
gonna agree with you on this one. Trey Lance should
not be put on that pedestal of Austin.
Speaker 10 (19:38):
Let me tell you why.
Speaker 13 (19:40):
Dude through one interception in college and it was the
last game he ever played in college. One interception he
played opening game Chicago. It was touring rain YEP, got hurt.
Textra the guy, you know from what I hear all
the you guys say, his fundamentals, he's off his throwing.
Speaker 10 (20:00):
He needs a guy to help him.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (20:03):
JJ McCarthy's been talking for weeks.
Speaker 13 (20:05):
Oh this guy, he's not making good passes.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
And look what he's doing. He's started for the Vikings.
I'm a big Vikings fan.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
So I love that.
Speaker 13 (20:11):
But Trey Lance has never gotten.
Speaker 10 (20:13):
A real opportunity.
Speaker 11 (20:15):
He's been sitting on the bench.
Speaker 13 (20:16):
He's been forgotten about.
Speaker 10 (20:17):
The dude's got leg He's.
Speaker 13 (20:19):
Here one pick in college. I'm trying to find what
these NFL skelets are seeing that.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Well, But David, thank god, I'm gonna say his dad thankful.
The call appreciation sha only thing.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And you notice, Kelvin in the NFL, you practice more
than you play, so they watch you. And that that's
why whenever people are saying they can't figure it out
because they're not practicing, well you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Listen, he is deficient. He's missing something because something that
they're treating. Yeah, they're treating him like they They're like, absolutely,
he's got the plague. They're like, no, we're good. You
ain't gonna see the field. So obviously he'll be out
there tonight, so we'll see what he does tonight. This
is a chance, you never know. This is a chance
to at least maybe be a solid backup in the
league and get a few reps here and there. All right,
we got Christy Brennan on the other side. Right now,
(21:01):
Martin Weiss can get you set on what's trending, what's up?
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Speaker 2 (21:16):
We are joined now by Christine Brennan, has a book
on her game Kaitlyn Clark and the Revolution in Women's Sports.
It is available for purchase now on The book debut
at number two on the New York Times best Seller list.
So congratulations with that, Christine.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Well, thank you. Yeah, you know, we'll have to give
a little credit to the interest in and the power
of Kaitlin Clark. But it's great to be with you guys.
Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Hey, Christine, you should have been number one. I'm number two.
I'm stunned. I know, I'm not trying to be greedy.
How are you not number one?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Debut? Number one on the New York Times bestseller list? Seriously?
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Well, you know, they have meetings and they had everything up,
and there was a book on the assassination attempt on
President Trump called Butler, and that's a really fine journalist. He's,
you know, got a lot of I have not read
the book, but I'm sure she's got a lot of information.
So you know, I'll take number two a New York
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Times bestseller, instant bestseller. It's such an honor because literally,
you guys, a year and two three weeks ago, we
didn't even have a book. You know, this was like
the moment, you know, you're seeing this Kaitlin Clark phenomenon.
I've covered women's sports for my you know, the length
of my career, and men's sports, Super Bowls, Olympics, you know,
you name it, Tiger Woods and having never seen anything
quite like this, and a female athlete, especially a team
(22:38):
sport athlete, you know the magic of Caitlin Clark. You know,
she's an athlete, a basketball player obviously, but she's also
an entertainer, very much like Tiger Woods in terms of
those logo threes and chucking it from the parking lot
and it goes in and I thought, let's get behind this.
You know, I got a chance to ask her forty
to fifty questions, her mindset. You know, she's great. She's
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just so forthcoming, loves to talk about anything, you know,
her all the fun atics on the court, everything about Iowa.
And of course then I was with the Fever traveling
and had some access to exclusive access to some practices too.
So it's really a story of last year and Iowa
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and Title nine and all the girl next door all
grown up. You know, here she is America, you know,
Caitlin Clark. And that's what I tried to do with
this book.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, And her teammate came out, Sophie Caleham, right and
basically said, anybody who doesn't think she's the face of
the league ism sugaw crazy, Christine Brennan. And I don't
understand it. I really don't, And I get it. You've
been covering sports for a long time like me, and
I think sometimes when former athletes are involved and other
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people have skin in the game, it's hard for them
to really want to be honest or objective about somebody
who's in there arena?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Is that the case you see here?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Because from the outside looking in as just a reporter
or a writer, a columnist or analyst, it's just obvious
to me.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
And yet there's still people pushing back on her.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Yeah. Well, the TV ratings, the attendants moving to the
bigger arenas, it's all for Kaitlin Clark, all of it.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
She's a rich is right, does what I say?
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Yeah? Yeah? And the barnstorming in college, you know, when
people were standing in line for hours in January February
and the cold outside of Ohio State and University of
Maryland and Indiana University to pack those huge arenas, you know,
like it's a Taylor Swift concert or Springsteen or Beyonce,
you know, to watch a woman play basketball. I mean,
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I've never been able to say that sentence before.
Speaker 11 (24:43):
And then it's carried over right to the WNBA.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
You know. My favorite set in the book, among many
that tell the story, guys, is that for the Fever's
home average home attendants for last season, Caitlin Clark's rookie year,
so Caitlin and the Fever, the average home attendance for
the Fever was higher than the average home attendants for
five NBA teams. I mean, again, you we've never seen
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anything like this in women's team sports. Usually individual athletes,
female athletes, right, Olympians, tennis players, Serena Venus, Simone Biles,
Katie Ladecki. You know, but we've never seen an athlete
come from a college team sport and just capture the
nation the way she has. And yes, there's been pushback.
I've talked to a lot of people, a lot of
(25:30):
reporting breaking news in the book, the Olympic snub, why
they didn't want her on the team. I broke that
story back in June of last year, and there's more
reporting about just the contradictions of oh she's not playing
well well, she was playing a lot better than Diana Trossi,
who they gave the going away present to at forty
two years old, which was just a terrible mistake at
(25:51):
the time, looks worse today. TV ratings were down, attendance
was down. What could have been with Caitlin Clark, and
then the same thing we see with the WNBA, where
there's just this pushback. She is the economic rocket ship
of this league. She is its financial future, very much
like Tiger with Men's Golf and Men's Golf, I covered
(26:12):
the length of that. I covered every bit of Tiger's
career within a few weeks. The golfers were like, Okay,
we get it. We want to beat them, but we
understand how important he is in the rising tie lists
all boats and the WNBA is still year two. She's
been injured, but we see those numbers plumbt you know,
fall off a cliff well, big TV ratings when she's
(26:33):
not there, and yet there still seems to be this
reluctance to understand the magnitude of Caitlin Clark, Christy.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Brennan, our guests. I wonder if I'm glad you said
that last part there because I wonder do you think
players are associating you can't be the face of the
league if you're not the best. The best is Asia
Wilson or you know, And you think that's part of
where they're saying. They're looking at it from a competitive
player standpoint, the best player. She's not even a top five, six,
seven player. Why is she the face? Do you think
(27:01):
that's a part of it where they can't separate kind
of the marketing, the money that's being brought in versus
the best players.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
Yeah, that's a great point. And yeah sure, and she's
not She's not the best player yet and she may
never be the best player. Right, we have no idea
where this is going with her. Obviously she's terrific, but
she's the most entertaining and she's the most popular. That
is not insignificant, right, And she's an excellent player. I
mean she was obviously, you know, in the old WNBA
first Team for it, in the MVP voting, Rookie of
(27:30):
the Year, runaway Rookie of the Year, and again bringing
what is important I think for the players and the
lack of leadership. I like Kathy Engelbert, but the league
has failed the players time and again, that's not my voice.
That's doctor Harry Edwards, obviously great civil rights leader, grant humanitarian.
I quote him in the book. I've got Tamika catchings,
(27:52):
I've got Brianna Scurry, wonderful black voices, wonderful white voices.
I go there, guys, I go with this my reporting
and on her game. I really in addition to the
magic and the logo, threes jumping off the page, and
sports and fun and Caitlin Clark insight behind the scenes,
but I also want to deal with these issues. It's
a seventy four percent black hole.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Well, let me ask you this. I want to get there, Christine.
That was my next question, and I'm glad you brought
it up.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Is it about race or because I think there's twofold
Because I do believe there's just jealousy.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And we saw this in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Bring it up all the time when players were given
a chance to vote for the All Star Game. Christine,
one hundred and fifty didn't vote for Lebron and one
hundred and eighty five didn't vote for KD.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
So there's a degree of jealousy. But is there racism,
racism as well when it comes to Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
There is no way you can take race out of
this story for sure. And you know it said against
last You know this is I followed the book ends
in April. We got it very very quickly. But you know,
it's as fresh as.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Can be, as a book can be.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
But it's about last season, of course, and it's set
against you know, the backdrop of a political presidential campaign
and a very polarized country. But at seventy four percent,
Black League never got the attention it deserves from the
mainstream sports media. We can all agree on that. You know,
I wish that it happened to Maya more right of course,
young Kaitlyn Clark's favorite player. I wish it would happened
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for Candice Parker, Chryl Swoops. You know that they would
be household names, that they would be being discussed in
the produce section of the way that Caitlin Clark is.
But it didn't happen for them, and it's happening now.
And one point that I make, and I've got again
a lot of reporting on this and talking to other people,
that the spotlight now shining on Caitlin Clark also shines
(29:44):
on all the players who deserved it, never got it,
but now we're getting it. You see it in the
All Star voting, right, Asia Wilson arguably, and we can say,
I think we agree the best player in the league
certainly over the last few years. And if you said
Colliers having a terrific season with Minnesota. We'll see how
that all plays out moving forward. But Asia Wilson didn't
get one hundred thousand votes two years ago for the
(30:05):
All Star voting. Now she's approaching a million votes. The
rising tide lifts all boats. Right, people are watching Kitlin Clark.
They're appreciating Asia Wilson for the first time. They should
have appreciated her before. I mean some did. But the
mass interest the fever are like a men's major league
team now in terms of social media interests, attendance ratings, everything.
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That's the attention they're getting to me. You have those
eyeballs now they're seeing the players that they were missing
all those years. A mass audience interest in women's team
sports has never happened before, and it's happening because of
Caitlyn Clark. But yes, race certainly plays a role in
the WNBA's lack of having conversations about this meeting the moment.
(30:50):
That's doctor Harry Edwards, the great, great civil rights leader, advocate,
super smart man, a good friend. He's saying those words
about what should have been done last year. Not because
the players are damsels in distress, of course they're not.
They're great athletes and they're college graduates, but because nothing
like this had ever happened to any women's league, or
really the magnitude of any league period where you could
(31:11):
have one person bring it from so far down and
bring it up to qualifying as a major league sport.
And that's Caitlin Clark. And that's the storyline that again,
the WNBA, the void that was there, the vacuum because
the leadership of the WNBA and the NBA didn't see
that the moment was going to be this, the magnitude
(31:31):
of this moment, and also so fraught in our polarized society.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
All right, well, hey, the new book on her game,
Kaitlin Clark in The Revolution of Women's Courts, available for
purchase now. Congrats on the book, and Christy Brennan, thank
you so much for model talks.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Yes, good luck, thank you, guys.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Thanks so much, Rob Calvin, take care, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
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(32:36):
It is time now for shop Talk. Ain't nobody's sniping
to bump shop? You know that? Ain't nobody is you
talking about whoever whatever whatever you want to in a box?
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Wait? You know?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Wait? Shop talk?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
That's right?
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Is shop talk a second where we talk about something
happened outside of the world of sports. This week's topic
comes to us from Southern Connecticut State University.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
We got a big deal going on. Everybody golf clap
it up.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
They're gonna name the Just Downfield press Box after the
one the only MLB bro himself, Rob Parker Parker Saturday,
October fourth, two pm. They're gonna rename it the Rob
Parker Press Box. First, Rob, your thoughts on this grand honor?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Definitely, Rob G Humble. And when this all came down,
the first thing I thought about was me and my
mom because we took the greyhound bus Kelvin up to
southern Connecticut for like the journalism orientation and whatnot. And
(33:38):
you're on that bus and you don't know, you don't
know what's gonna happen. You know, my mom wanted me
to take computer science, not because she didn't believe in me,
because she was doing what most parents Kelvin right, the
logical thing back in the eighties early eighties, computers are
gonna be big. You know, they weren't a lot of
black sports writers and whatnot, so that she was saying
(34:03):
what was logical at that point to her. But once
I made it clear that this is the career path
I wanted, she was all the way in. And I
remember taking that bus ride and thinking you know, is
this going to turn into a career? Am I going
to have enough money to finish paying for college? You
know all these question marks, and then here we are
(34:25):
and in October, this building that I used to cover
my first game in and college is now going to
have my name on it outside and inside with a plaque.
And I think it serves as an example of what
you could do when you follow your dreams and your passion.
(34:48):
And the other thing that is just hard to come
to terms with is the idea that it's forever. You
know what I mean, that something's going to be there
and people many years from now, either a students at
Southern Connecticut State University of new Haven or kids who
live in New Haven could look up and see that
and go Rob Parker and maybe google it and figure
(35:09):
out who is that. So I'm humble by it, I'm honored,
and you know, I've always I'm thrilled. I've been a
part of Southern Connecticut for a long time. And I'm
not a Johnny Come lately. I started a scholarship back
in nineteen ninety four years out of college, so I've
been involved in this university for a long time.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Shout out to right, no big shots you congrats.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
We'd love to see it said it before.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Man. That's you know, it's great to get flowers when
you can not then when people are dead or going
through it. It's great to get it now to be
able to enjoy me or smell on me, enjoy it
with your family. That moment coming up in October. So
that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
It's been a great ride for you. So I think
it's awesome that they're honoring you. And I think it's,
you know, great that you again you'll have this moment
that people can look at and you don't cherish man.
So congrats to you, brother, well deserved for sure.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Yeah, and it got me thinking of Rob. This is
a long list of accomogiments you have. Now you have
a whole Wikipedia page of things that you've done and
been celebrated for. But it got me thinking, God for
everyone else on the show, Rob, you'll go last because.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
You have too many.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Yes, what is the single most proud moment of your
professional career? Because I got to imagine licensed ranking pretty
high for you, Robs, You'll go last, double start with you.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Man, that's tough, bro, I'll say that Okay, there's so many,
but one more recent that's kind of a thing is
and I think Rob will be able to relate to this.
We've talked about it being able to bounce back when
you were down and you know, I was at the
other place and you know, moved on from me, and
(36:43):
you're like, all right, what we're gonna do. How A
were gonna bounce back? And I was able to bounce
back better, stronger in all facets, you know, in all
facets that you can think of, in the situation I'm
in now. So to me, it was getting that first
real bump in the role where you're like, dang, I
was just coming up, just making the name, just finally
making a couple of dollars, and you got, you know,
(37:04):
kicked to the curb, if you will, and and able
to bounce back and out, you know, a handful of
years later and being in a much better position.
Speaker 11 (37:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
That for me personally, was was great, A cool, funny one,
I'll say real quick, having somebody you look up to
that you think great and they find out they're a
fan of yours. Subconsciously, I always wanted to do something
like our City on Hall and having him be already up.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
Man.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I watch you every day man, you know, and telling
you you kind of got it. Somebody you were like
that inspired you, that that was awesome. Man.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
All right, let's get to everybody really quickly. Martin Weiss.
When Scott Shapiro kept asking me what I was doing
on Saturday night, and I said, Scott, this is getting weird.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
And then he said, no, you know what, I want
to give you a show Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Because he kept asking me.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
And I was like, Yo, I'm doing you know, I'm
kind of busy, you know, Saturday Night had plans and
I have to cancel the plan. So after a while,
I was like, Yo, are you gonna ask me when
I'm doing this Saturday on a Monday?
Speaker 4 (37:59):
And he's like, actually, what are you doing? Like for
the rest Saturday at ubstensibly and he was like, you know,
I don't want to give you a show.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Here you go, There you go, Rob Ge Alex, let's
go to Alex Alex.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
I don't know if this is really my comics people,
but I'm gonnaim it.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Anyways.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Okay, so when we first launched the Odd Couple six
years ago, now, one of our internal goals was, hey,
we got to pass Doug Gottlieb on the downloads. Yes,
we said we got six months to pass it. I
think we ducked it out like in two and a half.
And because unlike other shows I produced, I do have
some input on this one. There's my fingerprints if you
look at the rundown are on it. So I felt
(38:34):
like that was my own personal accomplisment, like, hey, we
had big goals and I don't need to we get him.
We got them really quickly, no doubt about it, Rob G.
You know that that is definitely the case, Alex quickly.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
So my two, I guess the sports one is working
on one of the biggest national sports shows, The Herd
Colin Cowherd, and I don't even like sports, so that's
pretty cool. Oh that's dope. And then the other one,
real quick is anime. I literally had two years with
my friend went nowhere we started, got three hundred thousand followers,
was seeing anime conventions and it just shows, like like
you said, rom, if you commit to something, it'll commit
to you.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
And for me, you know, there's two.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I mean, obviously this is the biggest, as I said
to you before, because it's forever and The other one was,
of course, being the first black sports columnist at the
Detroit Free Press because the paper was one hundred and
sixty one years old when they hired me. That's crazy, amazing,
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Speaker 4 (01:39):
I know, did you take the family? Are you taking
the family tonight?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
We might go a little bit. We got to plane
to catch in a little bit, so depending on our
time when we get done here. Forgot in the mind time,
but they'll go we're going back to Michigan. You know
they're going to go to DQ. When we get to Michigan,
they're all over the spot. So we'll definitely hit it up.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Don't forget.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Christine Brennan is coming up from USA today. She's a
columnist in about twenty seven minutes to an author.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
We'll talk to.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Her a little shop talk, talk a little bit more
about the SCSU and accomplishments people have made in their
lives and whatnot. We'll all chop it up on that.
So we got a lot of stuff to do here.
And I do want to say the Hall of Fame
game is about to kick off, and this will be
the biggest game the Lions win all year.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I just want to put that out there.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Louisiana rub and some hot honey Wings.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Disappointed like this is this is going to be I
think this is going to be, rob G, more epic
than when Chris went and tried on those Jordans after
the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Took a two nothing lead against the Nationals.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And putting your foot in the soul is crazy, right, like, well, like,
what what are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah,
putting your foot in the shoe is crazy. Although I
can't I can take the Louisiana rub and hot honey
Wings right now.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah, Okay, rob G, this game is so mean list
that Trey Lance is playing.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I'm just saying, wow, I mean, let's just call it
what we want.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Ain't black quarterbacks, but day I'm just saying what.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
That's right, Trey Lance, the former top three overall pick
in the NFL Draft twenty twenty one, We'll be getting
the start tonight in the Hall of Fame game because.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Just forty nine to brain trust should have been fired
years ago, but they got lucky with the mister irrelevant.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
That's what it's still.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Around because Chargers QB one Justin Herbert will not dress.
Chargers QB two Tyler Heineke is being held out as
just an emergency quarterback, so that means Trey Lance will
be getting the bulk of the snaps tonight. And Guys,
a couple hours ago, I put this tweet out, not
thinking much of it until Martin Weiss retweets it and
friend of the show Daniel Kelly retweets it. Apparently I
was honest something. I put out this tweet and let
(03:50):
you let me know what you guys think.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I say. Nobody brings it up because he went number three.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Is a number one, but Trey Lance has to be
the front runner for the biggest bust in NFL history.
Two teams didn't even need to really see him play
to decide he couldn't play. That's unheard of for a
first round pick. And here's what I mean, guys, Trey
Lance will be entering his fifth NFL season. He's only
started five games in his NFL career. This despite being
(04:18):
taken third overall by the forty nine ers and famously,
as you guys mentioned, got unsurped by mister Irrelevant himself,
Brock Party in San Francisco got traded to the Dallas
Cowboys for a fourth round pick and a bag of peanuts,
And you would think, hey, Dak Prescott got hurt last year.
(04:38):
I'm sure we saw plenty of Trey Lance in Dallas. No,
they said, hey, Cooper Rush is the guy we want
to see, not the guy we paid a fourth round
pick to get. So I don't think that it's even
a question. I believe Trey Lance is easily the biggest
bust in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Your thoughts, Calvin he is, so, I don't think he's
the biggest bus.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I'm gonna tell you why. And I thought long and
hard about this. I looked at all scenarios. Here's why
he's the biggest bust. Now he's the quietest bust, and
that is the biggest one. But the reason why he's
so bad that nobody even gives him a chance to play.
And you start digging in some of the other guys,
rob they at least got seasons or another season, two,
(05:21):
three seasons or sixteen eighteen twenty five starts. He don't
even get to start. And he was a third pick
and they moved all the way up to get him.
And part of the bust part of it is, mister irrelevant,
took your spot. That's that's you, the guy on the block,
and a nerdy little dude comes and takes your girl.
That can't happen. Right, the little lame, nerdy dude in
(05:41):
some nineteen eighties rom com stole your girl, duck Ducky
from what is that sweet? Sixteen or sixteen candles steals
your girl that can't happen. Trey Lance is so bad.
He's so bad we actually forget about him. Because you
remember JaMarcus Russell, you remember A Q. Smith, You for
sure remember Ryan Leaf. We bring these other guys up
when we talk about bus. Trey Lance is so bad,
(06:03):
we actually don't forget about him. He's like the football
version of Anthony Bennett. You don't even remember Anthony Bennett.
You talk about OLAA. Candy or maybe Ben Simmons when
you talk about bus Mark hall Fultz. Anthony Bennet was
so bad you forgot him. And that's what Trey Lance is.
We don't even remember him. So it's disappointing how he
(06:23):
doesn't even get a chance to play. Teams don't even
want him. And I think that's why for me, because
when I really look at it, other guys at least
got fifteen twenty five stars a few seasons. Usually you
get your chances. You might just suck, but you get
your chances. He's walking up with the clipboard and they're saying, nah,
bro we good. And that's to me why he is
(06:45):
he has to be. He doesn't even get a shot.
Rob everybody else got a shot.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I disagree with you.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Here's my problem. Trey Lance to me was a was
questionable at best. Okay, he played one college season only
through the ball.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
What he had two hundred and eighty seven attempts, So.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
He wasn't even really you know what I mean, Like
they thought they were geniuses and they saw something because.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
You remember, the talk was he hadn't played enough.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
There wasn't enough tape on him, right, So for him
to be drafted, for them to move up and draft
him third, that's on them. I don't what's his body
of work that you thought, seriously, Kelvin, he was gonna
be something special. He didn't do anything in college. This
was a question mark from Jump Street. That's why he
(07:35):
can't be the biggest bust. And then you have JaMarcus Russell,
of course, who was the overall number one pick, and
that was just a disaster from day one. But I
still think that it's this guy who is the biggest
bust in NFL history.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Don't talk to me, all right, knock it.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Up right leave, don't talk to me like that. Dude
was like was bonkers. He was terrible and he acted
like a baby.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
He was like he was unhinged because he was terrible
and people were asking questions. He was a guy right
second overall pick and he was like this guy where
people thought you had a quarterback of the future like this.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
This is the thing that's different is that people.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Were like, oh my god, Ryan Leif started only eighteen
games four and fourteen. He was supposed to be the
new hotness. He was supposed to be something special. That's
not what Trey Lance was supposed to be. Nobody. That's
why that's why the forty nine ers people get off
(08:48):
Scott Freed. It's because he really, if you're honest about it,
and I get it, to be drafted as third and
they moved up. And here's the other part. He didn't
play enough for us to say that he can't play.
He got hurt in his first year. What did he play,
rob g Three games? Remember he played like three games.
One was in the rain. He got hurt and then
(09:11):
that was it. They really didn't give him a chance.
Like That's why I can't believe that he could be
considered the greatest bust of all time.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
He just did not get a chance to play enough.
Whereas I look at Ryan Leaf, the Ryan.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Leaf has clearly because of all the craziness and the
spiral and the personal life spiral. Now, obviously he's gonna
seem to be in a better place now. If anybody
you know you've seen him speaking, he went off, he
was unhead whiched. Yeah, his life went down as well
some of these guys when you look dive deep into it.
JaMarcus Russell being another. I mean coming in twenty at
two ninety, coming in a camp at two ninety, as
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crazy as a quarterback getting a DVD that has nothing
on it, and then they asked you, Hey, did you
watch the tape? Yeah, I got I watched the tape.
Man that was you know, I saw all the highlights.
Oh Harrison is there that dude? That's embarrassing. But so
I'm not mad at those. But the one thing I'm
saying about Trey Lance is usually in NBA, NFL, it
(10:08):
would be something when you're a third pick. We're gonna run,
We're gonna exhaust all options with you.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
But he didn't playing college though, Can you at least
acknowledge that he you.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Know, he wasn't Peyton Manning' esque or you know some
guy coming out Andrew Lock coming out of college. But
I'm saying to Zach Wilson, wasn't that guy coming out
like that? But Zack Wilson gets you know, got a
couple of years, he got chances, nobody like he had. No,
he had a better year. But I'm saying, there have
been other guys who come from smaller schools. You've Ben Roethlisberger,
(10:38):
Joe Flacko, and we can go down the list of
guys who come Josh Allen who come from smaller people.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Was stunned when the forty nine has moved up to
take him.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean, I just like which I'm saying, because they're
trying to be geniuses.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
If I That's why I'm saying, you know, owners love
to prove themselves right, and you had to be so
bad that they went all the way up, gave up
a bunch to get you, get you, and then go no,
we're good and credit them because you and I have
talked about how many times if you make a mistake,
you got to own it. You got to move on. Joe,
what's the quote from Joe Dumars.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
It ain't about being right, it's about getting it right.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Forty nine ers. Because it now here we are, we're
just about a month or so ago. Brock Party just
got a big check. So they got their guy. So
credit them for that, because a lot of teams do
what I'm saying. They hold on, They hold on.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
The Super Bowl Party. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Just to just to keep, just to prove a point.
No no, no, no, we got it right, trust me.
Give him some time. No no no, we got to right.
Let him get healthy. No no, no, we got it right.
He was so bad they said, we're willing to move
on and get mister irrelevant here now to the two
of him getting a big, huge, massive contract. But Ryan Lee,
obviously I'll never be mad at that because the parallels
to him are tied to Peyton Manning too. Like it
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wasn't just he was the guy and he failed. The
guy before you, the one and two punch, if you will,
was Peyton Manning and that and that worked out. A
sneaky name in here is A k Smith if you
remember him, Achille Smith with the Bengals.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
He was a third overall pick back in ninety nine
and he ended up being terrible. And the biggest thing
is the Bengals really were the biggest losers in this
because Mike Dicka was willing to give them uh nine
picks because he wanted to get Ricky Williams so bad.
He was going to give them nine picks if they
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if he would just for that one swap, and they
chose not to do it because they thought Achille Smith
was gonna be the guy. So that's a massive one
because what could have been And had you gotten all
those picks, you know, and you could have changed the
franchise for a decade.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
But didck have made a lot of mistakes? Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
But that but he's lucky at the that the Bengals
didn't take it.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah. So A Kille Smith with the Bengals as a
sleeper one and he.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Got hurt early too, didn't he? I remember him getting.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
He got her. I believe it was his second year.
But but what was.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
The running back from the Bengals on his first snap
from seton. Was it running back who got hurt? Like
the first snap from center was almost like Aaron Rodgers
John Carter?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah, right, like could Johnny Carter?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Like if it was John Carter from Pens State, he
would like it to be it was like his first snap.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, he was supposed to be that. I mean, he
was that guy in college, but then yeah he Yeah,
he didn't work out in the league. That's the crass wire.
Listen that, Troy. That's why Trey Anderson get your money
when you came man, you never know what's gonna happen
in this league in his game?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
All right? Uh?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
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All right, Rob, taking some coke phone calls. Biggest NFL
bus ever. You got a few options out there, handful.
I think we all kind of have like four or
five that we kind of all rotate as the biggest
uh Ryan leaf you say, Trey Lance, because don't they
might even remember Trey Lance eight seven, seven ninety nine on.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Fox Who we got Eric in Austin, Texas. You're on
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
What's up, Eric?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
What's up?
Speaker 10 (16:31):
Rob?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
What up? Vin?
Speaker 10 (16:32):
Are you guys?
Speaker 11 (16:32):
What up?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
What up? What up?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Rob?
Speaker 10 (16:35):
Welcome back, welcome back? We missed you, Thank you, Hey,
I Rob, I'm with you. I can't put that much
on Trey Lance because you should have been taken in
the first place. Y'all know Ron Metal Cossay shimming five
years ago, I put down the forty nine ers. Now
in terms of the biggest rab buzz anitel history, it
really is sports. Honestly, for me, it has to be
JaMarcus Russell. Do you realize the Raiders took him over.
(16:56):
Calvin Johnson, Darrell Reeves and Joe Thomas now took him first.
And the biggest thing with JaMarcus Russeller is the talent
was there. So aaren was there, You're in.
Speaker 11 (17:07):
A four, eight forty. Everything was there. He just didn't want.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It, that was your point. He So you know what
I've heard sometimes in life, you name the sports, sometimes
are just big. Some people are just bigger, faster. Marcus
Russell was just big and strong his whole life, and
you could tell he didn't want to be the best,
right He just happened to be bigger and stronger than
everybody's whole life till it came to the pros where
you got to put the work in no doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Jeremy in Washington, you're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
What's up, Jeremy, what's up?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Ron?
Speaker 11 (17:35):
Welcome back, welcome back, Thank you boss. This dude, I've
been waiting see you to come back so I can.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Call him, appreciate it, Thank you, my man.
Speaker 10 (17:43):
Hey.
Speaker 11 (17:44):
Every day, almost every day, I agree with you, Rob,
but I'm gonna have to agree with Kelvin on the Oh, tell.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Me explain, do some explaining, Lucy.
Speaker 11 (17:55):
You got JaMarcus Russell, Okay, who is he linked with?
Like Calvin Johnson I believe in like the last caller
said Darrel Reeves. And you got and then you got
uh who was drafted with Tom Brady. I can't remember
Kelly Smith. And then and then you got Ryan Leef
with Peyton Manning. But man, I get all of that,
(18:18):
but man, Trey Lance, dude, nobody either want to get
this guy a chance like these other guys got chances
to play, you know, like the dude hasn't showed anything
on the field. That rainy game against the Bears and everything.
That was one game, and yeah, the weather conditions was
out of hand. But this dude with Trey Lance and
Cowboys don't even want to give him a chance. Man,
(18:39):
That ain't that I would have gave Trey Lance a chance.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
That ain't.
Speaker 11 (18:43):
You don't think you don't think that is that rock?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Come, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I just didn't see anything in college that that warranted.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
But that I totally get your point with that, Rob,
But that happens, right, There's always this random player that
skies over everybody like, oh, you don't know about him?
He's the man.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Oh how was somebody that was a reach pick to me?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Listen, it was Tayshawn Pritz. Okay, it was definitely Raison
Rondo Arms. But the fact that he didn't even get chances.
You get chances just because I have to do justify
my as a coach in a GM. I gotta give
you the chances. He didn't even get done.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
How about Darren in North Dakota. You're on the eye
couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Darren, what's up?
Speaker 11 (19:22):
What's up?
Speaker 10 (19:22):
Kelvin?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
How are you.
Speaker 11 (19:25):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (19:26):
I'm gonna be biased, right, I'm a big North Dakota
State fan Bison over here. But you guys, Kelvin, I'm
gonna agree with you on this one. Trey Lance should
not be put on that pedestal of Austin.
Speaker 10 (19:38):
Let me tell you why.
Speaker 13 (19:40):
Dude through one interception in college and it was the
last game he ever played in college. One interception he
played opening game Chicago. It was touring rain YEP, got hurt.
Textra the guy, you know from what I hear all
the you guys say, his fundamentals, he's off his throwing.
Speaker 10 (20:00):
He needs a guy to help him.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (20:03):
JJ McCarthy's been talking for weeks.
Speaker 13 (20:05):
Oh this guy, he's not making good passes.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
And look what he's doing. He's started for the Vikings.
I'm a big Vikings fan.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
So I love that.
Speaker 13 (20:11):
But Trey Lance has never gotten.
Speaker 10 (20:13):
A real opportunity.
Speaker 11 (20:15):
He's been sitting on the bench.
Speaker 13 (20:16):
He's been forgotten about.
Speaker 10 (20:17):
The dude's got leg He's.
Speaker 13 (20:19):
Here one pick in college. I'm trying to find what
these NFL skelets are seeing that.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Well, But David, thank god, I'm gonna say his dad thankful.
The call appreciation sha only thing.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And you notice, Kelvin in the NFL, you practice more
than you play, so they watch you. And that that's
why whenever people are saying they can't figure it out
because they're not practicing, well you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Listen, he is deficient. He's missing something because something that
they're treating. Yeah, they're treating him like they They're like, absolutely,
he's got the plague. They're like, no, we're good. You
ain't gonna see the field. So obviously he'll be out
there tonight, so we'll see what he does tonight. This
is a chance, you never know. This is a chance
to at least maybe be a solid backup in the
league and get a few reps here and there. All right,
we got Christy Brennan on the other side. Right now,
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Martin Weiss can get you set on what's trending, what's up?
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Speaker 2 (21:16):
We are joined now by Christine Brennan, has a book
on her game Kaitlyn Clark and the Revolution in Women's Sports.
It is available for purchase now on The book debut
at number two on the New York Times best Seller list.
So congratulations with that, Christine.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Well, thank you. Yeah, you know, we'll have to give
a little credit to the interest in and the power
of Kaitlin Clark. But it's great to be with you guys.
Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Hey, Christine, you should have been number one. I'm number two.
I'm stunned. I know, I'm not trying to be greedy.
How are you not number one?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Debut? Number one on the New York Times bestseller list? Seriously?
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Well, you know, they have meetings and they had everything up,
and there was a book on the assassination attempt on
President Trump called Butler, and that's a really fine journalist. He's,
you know, got a lot of I have not read
the book, but I'm sure she's got a lot of information.
So you know, I'll take number two a New York
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Times bestseller, instant bestseller. It's such an honor because literally,
you guys, a year and two three weeks ago, we
didn't even have a book. You know, this was like
the moment, you know, you're seeing this Kaitlin Clark phenomenon.
I've covered women's sports for my you know, the length
of my career, and men's sports, Super Bowls, Olympics, you know,
you name it, Tiger Woods and having never seen anything
quite like this, and a female athlete, especially a team
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sport athlete, you know the magic of Caitlin Clark. You know,
she's an athlete, a basketball player obviously, but she's also
an entertainer, very much like Tiger Woods in terms of
those logo threes and chucking it from the parking lot
and it goes in and I thought, let's get behind this.
You know, I got a chance to ask her forty
to fifty questions, her mindset. You know, she's great. She's
(23:00):
just so forthcoming, loves to talk about anything, you know,
her all the fun atics on the court, everything about Iowa.
And of course then I was with the Fever traveling
and had some access to exclusive access to some practices too.
So it's really a story of last year and Iowa
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and Title nine and all the girl next door all
grown up. You know, here she is America, you know,
Caitlin Clark. And that's what I tried to do with
this book.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, And her teammate came out, Sophie Caleham, right and
basically said, anybody who doesn't think she's the face of
the league ism sugaw crazy, Christine Brennan. And I don't
understand it. I really don't, And I get it. You've
been covering sports for a long time like me, and
I think sometimes when former athletes are involved and other
(23:51):
people have skin in the game, it's hard for them
to really want to be honest or objective about somebody
who's in there arena?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Is that the case you see here?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Because from the outside looking in as just a reporter
or a writer, a columnist or analyst, it's just obvious
to me.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
And yet there's still people pushing back on her.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Yeah. Well, the TV ratings, the attendants moving to the
bigger arenas, it's all for Kaitlin Clark, all of it.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
She's a rich is right, does what I say?
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Yeah? Yeah? And the barnstorming in college, you know, when
people were standing in line for hours in January February
and the cold outside of Ohio State and University of
Maryland and Indiana University to pack those huge arenas, you know,
like it's a Taylor Swift concert or Springsteen or Beyonce,
you know, to watch a woman play basketball. I mean,
(24:41):
I've never been able to say that sentence before.
Speaker 11 (24:43):
And then it's carried over right to the WNBA.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
You know. My favorite set in the book, among many
that tell the story, guys, is that for the Fever's
home average home attendants for last season, Caitlin Clark's rookie year,
so Caitlin and the Fever, the average home attendance for
the Fever was higher than the average home attendants for
five NBA teams. I mean, again, you we've never seen
(25:10):
anything like this in women's team sports. Usually individual athletes,
female athletes, right, Olympians, tennis players, Serena Venus, Simone Biles,
Katie Ladecki. You know, but we've never seen an athlete
come from a college team sport and just capture the
nation the way she has. And yes, there's been pushback.
I've talked to a lot of people, a lot of
(25:30):
reporting breaking news in the book, the Olympic snub, why
they didn't want her on the team. I broke that
story back in June of last year, and there's more
reporting about just the contradictions of oh she's not playing
well well, she was playing a lot better than Diana Trossi,
who they gave the going away present to at forty
two years old, which was just a terrible mistake at
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the time, looks worse today. TV ratings were down, attendance
was down. What could have been with Caitlin Clark, and
then the same thing we see with the WNBA, where
there's just this pushback. She is the economic rocket ship
of this league. She is its financial future, very much
like Tiger with Men's Golf and Men's Golf, I covered
(26:12):
the length of that. I covered every bit of Tiger's
career within a few weeks. The golfers were like, Okay,
we get it. We want to beat them, but we
understand how important he is in the rising tie lists
all boats and the WNBA is still year two. She's
been injured, but we see those numbers plumbt you know,
fall off a cliff well, big TV ratings when she's
(26:33):
not there, and yet there still seems to be this
reluctance to understand the magnitude of Caitlin Clark, Christy.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Brennan, our guests. I wonder if I'm glad you said
that last part there because I wonder do you think
players are associating you can't be the face of the
league if you're not the best. The best is Asia
Wilson or you know, And you think that's part of
where they're saying. They're looking at it from a competitive
player standpoint, the best player. She's not even a top five, six,
seven player. Why is she the face? Do you think
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that's a part of it where they can't separate kind
of the marketing, the money that's being brought in versus
the best players.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
Yeah, that's a great point. And yeah sure, and she's
not She's not the best player yet and she may
never be the best player. Right, we have no idea
where this is going with her. Obviously she's terrific, but
she's the most entertaining and she's the most popular. That
is not insignificant, right, And she's an excellent player. I
mean she was obviously, you know, in the old WNBA
first Team for it, in the MVP voting, Rookie of
(27:30):
the Year, runaway Rookie of the Year, and again bringing
what is important I think for the players and the
lack of leadership. I like Kathy Engelbert, but the league
has failed the players time and again, that's not my voice.
That's doctor Harry Edwards, obviously great civil rights leader, grant humanitarian.
I quote him in the book. I've got Tamika catchings,
(27:52):
I've got Brianna Scurry, wonderful black voices, wonderful white voices.
I go there, guys, I go with this my reporting
and on her game. I really in addition to the
magic and the logo, threes jumping off the page, and
sports and fun and Caitlin Clark insight behind the scenes,
but I also want to deal with these issues. It's
a seventy four percent black hole.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Well, let me ask you this. I want to get there, Christine.
That was my next question, and I'm glad you brought
it up.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Is it about race or because I think there's twofold
Because I do believe there's just jealousy.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And we saw this in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Bring it up all the time when players were given
a chance to vote for the All Star Game. Christine,
one hundred and fifty didn't vote for Lebron and one
hundred and eighty five didn't vote for KD.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
So there's a degree of jealousy. But is there racism,
racism as well when it comes to Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
There is no way you can take race out of
this story for sure. And you know it said against
last You know this is I followed the book ends
in April. We got it very very quickly. But you know,
it's as fresh as.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Can be, as a book can be.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
But it's about last season, of course, and it's set
against you know, the backdrop of a political presidential campaign
and a very polarized country. But at seventy four percent,
Black League never got the attention it deserves from the
mainstream sports media. We can all agree on that. You know,
I wish that it happened to Maya more right of course,
young Kaitlyn Clark's favorite player. I wish it would happened
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for Candice Parker, Chryl Swoops. You know that they would
be household names, that they would be being discussed in
the produce section of the way that Caitlin Clark is.
But it didn't happen for them, and it's happening now.
And one point that I make, and I've got again
a lot of reporting on this and talking to other people,
that the spotlight now shining on Caitlin Clark also shines
(29:44):
on all the players who deserved it, never got it,
but now we're getting it. You see it in the
All Star voting, right, Asia Wilson arguably, and we can say,
I think we agree the best player in the league
certainly over the last few years. And if you said
Colliers having a terrific season with Minnesota. We'll see how
that all plays out moving forward. But Asia Wilson didn't
get one hundred thousand votes two years ago for the
(30:05):
All Star voting. Now she's approaching a million votes. The
rising tide lifts all boats. Right, people are watching Kitlin Clark.
They're appreciating Asia Wilson for the first time. They should
have appreciated her before. I mean some did. But the
mass interest the fever are like a men's major league
team now in terms of social media interests, attendance ratings, everything.
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That's the attention they're getting to me. You have those
eyeballs now they're seeing the players that they were missing
all those years. A mass audience interest in women's team
sports has never happened before, and it's happening because of
Caitlyn Clark. But yes, race certainly plays a role in
the WNBA's lack of having conversations about this meeting the moment.
(30:50):
That's doctor Harry Edwards, the great, great civil rights leader, advocate,
super smart man, a good friend. He's saying those words
about what should have been done last year. Not because
the players are damsels in distress, of course they're not.
They're great athletes and they're college graduates, but because nothing
like this had ever happened to any women's league, or
really the magnitude of any league period where you could
(31:11):
have one person bring it from so far down and
bring it up to qualifying as a major league sport.
And that's Caitlin Clark. And that's the storyline that again,
the WNBA, the void that was there, the vacuum because
the leadership of the WNBA and the NBA didn't see
that the moment was going to be this, the magnitude
(31:31):
of this moment, and also so fraught in our polarized society.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
All right, well, hey, the new book on her game,
Kaitlin Clark in The Revolution of Women's Courts, available for
purchase now. Congrats on the book, and Christy Brennan, thank
you so much for model talks.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Yes, good luck, thank you, guys.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Thanks so much, Rob Calvin, take care, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Hey. Shop talk on the way It is the A
couple Robin Kelvin on the TV themes on Thursday, Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
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Speaker 2 (32:10):
The TV themes on Thursdays for your boys Day Couple,
Rob Parker Kelvin Washington. It is Miracle Treat Day as
well at DQ, which means one dollar or more from
every Blizzard treat is donated to your local member hospital
of Children's Miracle Network Hospitals. Blizzard treats are even sweeter
when they support kids DQ. Happy taste good? All right, Rob,
(32:36):
It is time now for shop Talk. Ain't nobody's sniping
to bump shop? You know that? Ain't nobody is you
talking about whoever whatever whatever you want to in a box?
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Wait? You know?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Wait? Shop talk?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
That's right?
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Is shop talk a second where we talk about something
happened outside of the world of sports. This week's topic
comes to us from Southern Connecticut State University.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
We got a big deal going on. Everybody golf clap
it up.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
They're gonna name the Just Downfield press Box after the
one the only MLB bro himself, Rob Parker Parker Saturday,
October fourth, two pm. They're gonna rename it the Rob
Parker Press Box. First, Rob, your thoughts on this grand honor?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Definitely, Rob G Humble. And when this all came down,
the first thing I thought about was me and my
mom because we took the greyhound bus Kelvin up to
southern Connecticut for like the journalism orientation and whatnot. And
(33:38):
you're on that bus and you don't know, you don't
know what's gonna happen. You know, my mom wanted me
to take computer science, not because she didn't believe in me,
because she was doing what most parents Kelvin right, the
logical thing back in the eighties early eighties, computers are
gonna be big. You know, they weren't a lot of
black sports writers and whatnot, so that she was saying
(34:03):
what was logical at that point to her. But once
I made it clear that this is the career path
I wanted, she was all the way in. And I
remember taking that bus ride and thinking you know, is
this going to turn into a career? Am I going
to have enough money to finish paying for college? You
know all these question marks, and then here we are
(34:25):
and in October, this building that I used to cover
my first game in and college is now going to
have my name on it outside and inside with a plaque.
And I think it serves as an example of what
you could do when you follow your dreams and your passion.
(34:48):
And the other thing that is just hard to come
to terms with is the idea that it's forever. You
know what I mean, that something's going to be there
and people many years from now, either a students at
Southern Connecticut State University of new Haven or kids who
live in New Haven could look up and see that
and go Rob Parker and maybe google it and figure
(35:09):
out who is that. So I'm humble by it, I'm honored,
and you know, I've always I'm thrilled. I've been a
part of Southern Connecticut for a long time. And I'm
not a Johnny Come lately. I started a scholarship back
in nineteen ninety four years out of college, so I've
been involved in this university for a long time.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Shout out to right, no big shots you congrats.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
We'd love to see it said it before.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Man. That's you know, it's great to get flowers when
you can not then when people are dead or going
through it. It's great to get it now to be
able to enjoy me or smell on me, enjoy it
with your family. That moment coming up in October. So
that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
It's been a great ride for you. So I think
it's awesome that they're honoring you. And I think it's,
you know, great that you again you'll have this moment
that people can look at and you don't cherish man.
So congrats to you, brother, well deserved for sure.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Yeah, and it got me thinking of Rob. This is
a long list of accomogiments you have. Now you have
a whole Wikipedia page of things that you've done and
been celebrated for. But it got me thinking, God for
everyone else on the show, Rob, you'll go last because.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
You have too many.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Yes, what is the single most proud moment of your
professional career? Because I got to imagine licensed ranking pretty
high for you, Robs, You'll go last, double start with you.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Man, that's tough, bro, I'll say that Okay, there's so many,
but one more recent that's kind of a thing is
and I think Rob will be able to relate to this.
We've talked about it being able to bounce back when
you were down and you know, I was at the
other place and you know, moved on from me, and
(36:43):
you're like, all right, what we're gonna do. How A
were gonna bounce back? And I was able to bounce
back better, stronger in all facets, you know, in all
facets that you can think of, in the situation I'm
in now. So to me, it was getting that first
real bump in the role where you're like, dang, I
was just coming up, just making the name, just finally
making a couple of dollars, and you got, you know,
(37:04):
kicked to the curb, if you will, and and able
to bounce back and out, you know, a handful of
years later and being in a much better position.
Speaker 11 (37:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
That for me personally, was was great, A cool, funny one,
I'll say real quick, having somebody you look up to
that you think great and they find out they're a
fan of yours. Subconsciously, I always wanted to do something
like our City on Hall and having him be already up.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
Man.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I watch you every day man, you know, and telling
you you kind of got it. Somebody you were like
that inspired you, that that was awesome. Man.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
All right, let's get to everybody really quickly. Martin Weiss.
When Scott Shapiro kept asking me what I was doing
on Saturday night, and I said, Scott, this is getting weird.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
And then he said, no, you know what, I want
to give you a show Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Because he kept asking me.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
And I was like, Yo, I'm doing you know, I'm
kind of busy, you know, Saturday Night had plans and
I have to cancel the plan. So after a while,
I was like, Yo, are you gonna ask me when
I'm doing this Saturday on a Monday?
Speaker 4 (37:59):
And he's like, actually, what are you doing? Like for
the rest Saturday at ubstensibly and he was like, you know,
I don't want to give you a show.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Here you go, There you go, Rob Ge Alex, let's
go to Alex Alex.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
I don't know if this is really my comics people,
but I'm gonnaim it.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Anyways.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Okay, so when we first launched the Odd Couple six
years ago, now, one of our internal goals was, hey,
we got to pass Doug Gottlieb on the downloads. Yes,
we said we got six months to pass it. I
think we ducked it out like in two and a half.
And because unlike other shows I produced, I do have
some input on this one. There's my fingerprints if you
look at the rundown are on it. So I felt
(38:34):
like that was my own personal accomplisment, like, hey, we
had big goals and I don't need to we get him.
We got them really quickly, no doubt about it, Rob G.
You know that that is definitely the case, Alex quickly.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
So my two, I guess the sports one is working
on one of the biggest national sports shows, The Herd
Colin Cowherd, and I don't even like sports, so that's
pretty cool. Oh that's dope. And then the other one,
real quick is anime. I literally had two years with
my friend went nowhere we started, got three hundred thousand followers,
was seeing anime conventions and it just shows, like like
you said, rom, if you commit to something, it'll commit
to you.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
And for me, you know, there's two.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I mean, obviously this is the biggest, as I said
to you before, because it's forever and The other one was,
of course, being the first black sports columnist at the
Detroit Free Press because the paper was one hundred and
sixty one years old when they hired me. That's crazy, amazing,
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