August 8, 2025 • 41 mins
Aaron Torres and former NFL offensive tackle Ephraim Salaam (in for Rob and Kelvin) open hour 2 with a discussion on how college football's preseason needs a revamp here in the NIL era. NFL insider Adam Caplan joins the show to share what he's been hearing throughout his training camp tour. Plus, what are the expectations for Drake Maye in year 2?
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preseason well underway, as de Segre just told you, three
games in progress three last night. We'll get back to
the NFL in just a minute, and Adam Kaplan, of
course from Inside the Birds podcast, will join us to
give us plenty of updates on what he has learned
in camp so far. You know, Ephraim, I do want
to switch gears briefly to college football, and I don't
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want to talk necessarily about a specific player or stat
or news item because there essentially are none. And it
really struck me today, Ephraim, is that I listen. I
think you and I and most of the audience we
love the NFL. We also love college football. But I
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was thinking today college football, of every major sport, has
to have the worst lead up to the season. Oh yeah,
Like it's unbelievable. So put us out like credit, the NFL.
Fans get in, fans get to watch. There's clearly a
higher degree of media availability because every day I wake up,
(02:21):
there's a new Caleb Williams story. There's a new Aaron
Rodgers story, there's a new whatever, there's a new Shore
Sanders story. And I was thinking about this with college football.
The SEGA did just mention throughout the show that Garrett Nussmeyer,
the LSU starting quarterback, has a little bit of a
banged up knee, but there is literally no news about
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college football. It's unbelievable to me. And I'll just say
this really quick. I'm not going crazy. I went and
looked at espn dot com today. The number three trending
story on ESPN's college football page was the coaches pulled
got released on Monday. And so I'm opening the floor
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up to you from me. If you were the dubious,
elusive college football commissioner that everybody is demanding one, would
you do anything to change the lead up to the season,
because I am blown away how there is literally nothing
to talk about and no major news. And by the way,
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and I'll just be really quick and I'll get it
to you. When I say major news, I don't mean
like God forbid an injury or something bad happens. Like
I said, every day there's a new Aaron Rodgers story.
Every day, there's a new Shadoor Sanders story. And with
college football, it is freaking crickets. As we are now
three saturdays away from the first full weekend of college football.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I think the lead up to it is there's no preseason,
so teams you don't know these teams, nope, until they
actually start playing. So many new kids are theirs players
have left? You're not, you don't. I don't know if
there's a way to ramp up the beginning of college football.
(04:11):
It kind of just happens, right. It does have zero weekend,
right uh And and those games are are usually okay,
But the impact of college football when it starts, it's
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like no other. So I just think because you're dealing
with student athletes and no one really knows what what
you have, we don't have any inside looks. There are
there are no you know, like for training camp, there
will be a look in at training camp for each
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NFL team. Are there is none of at on the
college campus because there I mean their students as well.
And I don't know if there's a fix to get
people pumped up leading into the season. I just know
when the season starts, it starts with a rocket ship.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It does.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
And what we've seen now more than anything, big games
are happening early. Sure, I think that's the change that
people enjoy because you could get you know, Alabama versus
Wisconsin Tech.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
You can get you know.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Ssconsin Tech is going to be good this year, by
the way, just let the.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
There are so many of those type of games. Earlier,
it used to be those type of games early in
the season that it's like, but now the way college
football can really ramp this thing up. It start with
marquee matchups like they're doing this year. Yeah, Tech, Oklahoma, Texas,
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Ohio STATEOWA. That's huge, huge, Clemson LSU by the way,
week one as.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Well, That's that's how you do it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And that and and that I will defend college football
is that that opening weekend is great. And it's funny
now with this expanded playoff, everyone's just trying to figure
out the calendar. And I even saw Dan Lanning actually
say he thinks that we should move up the season.
That's one thing I actually disagree with. I think that
Labor Day weekend everybody has it off. You know, you
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have a three day weekend. You have basically five straight
days of college football because you start on that Thursday
and then you go all the way through Labor Day
Night on Monday. By the way, this game this this
year's Labor Day the Monday Night game is TCU at
the North Carolina tar Heels. Jordan Hudson's North Carolina tar Heels.
So plenty of intrigue there. Uh, and so I agree
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with you one hundred percent is that Week one is
good and zero. To your point, there's usually a marquee game.
This year, not marquee, but a noteworthy game. At least
this year it's Iowa State, Kansas State, it's overseas whatever.
I think both those teams will probably be on the
fringes of the top twenty five. So I guess once
you get to week zero it's okay. I And one
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thing I will say, we're having Adam Kaplan on the
show here in about ten minutes from now, and I
do want to ask him about the media availability because
it does feel like all of these players, all these
coaches are let me ask you, you played in the league,
I should probably just ask you what is media availability?
Are our players? Are fans allowed in every day?
Speaker 5 (07:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
No, it's just like that one day a week or whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
No, they have designated days where fans are part of
the practicing and can come. Because once you open it
to fans, you're opening to everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Well that's yeah, and that's the argument against college football.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, like you don't want just everybody in there. Now,
They'll have days set aside where you know, fans are there,
they may have a little live scrimmage, like fans just
watching the regular practice.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
It's not yeah, there's not much going on. It is
not a lot going on the pook on that day.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
No, so when they set things up, we're gonna have
a live team period or we're gonna do you know,
just to give the fans something to look forward to,
and so on and so forth. But every day is
not open for fans, and they and it shouldn't be
sure because now it becomes something other than what it is.
And what it is is we're putting this install in
these playbooks, these plays. We want effort, we want this,
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and that a lot of custom from the coaches, like
you you know, there's a lot of things that that
coaches don't even want that that level of accessibility to
their program because especially kids, they you get distracted easy. Sure,
you know your girlfriend her friends are up in oh yeah,
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you know, gammafy gammas over here and they got the
whole like it's just you know, so it's training camp
in preseason for football.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
It's for business.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Sure, it's your job. College football. You're trying to hit
the ground running.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
You mentioned Wisconsin Tech. Would you have a problem with
preseason game even if it's just one in college?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Full No, I don't think they should do that, really,
I don't think. So what are your benefits? What are
you getting?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I could be what are the benefits of playing preseason
NFL games to.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Fill out your roster? There are no cuts in college?
Are with the portal now? But no, I know what
you're saying. You know what I'm saying, Like there you
go to camp with eighty eight guys, ninety guys, you
gotta get down to fifty three. Sure, you need training camp,
you need preseason. You need to see if young players
can step up and playing game like situations.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
There's no need for that in college.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
You don't need to know if young players can step
up in game likes it.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
No, you'll find out, like you'll find out.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
But the pract this is are set up to where
you know, me having a preseason game against Oklahoma if
I'm Oklahoma State that I don't know the benefit of
that right now. It's up to colleges. And you got
to remember most colleges have these players in place, right like,
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so if you have a quarterback that's coming back, Okay,
quarterbacks coming back. If you lost a receiver, you the
guy behind him last year is normally going to be
that guy this year. Right, Like there's a feeder system
in college already, sure, right, Like, it's already there. You've
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been living with these players and watching these players and
playing with these players since they've been at your program.
Now a portal throws a little wrench in there, but
there's a body of work of that player that you
got from the portal that you can you already know
what you're getting. You draft a kid in the NFL.
Can he play at the next level?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
You need to find out.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
That's the question for every single draft pick. Two hundred
and however many draft picks will Can he play at
the next level? That is the question that training camp
in preseason answers. Yeah, I'll be curious. We're gonna welcome
in Adam Kaplan here in just a few minutes. I'd
actually be curious his thoughts because.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
It's just it's incredible to me how little again information
is out there. But again to your point, once we
start that season, we do hit the ground running, and
to the credit of college football, and I think the
twelve team playoff helps, you know, one loss doesn't submarine
your season. So we can't get a Texas Ohio State
in week one, Clemson LSU actually Notre Dame Miami in
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week one.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Teams are are willing to take those shots. And before
it's like now we're gonna play Citadel we won. We're
gonna play Wichita Tech or Wichita Southwest. Then when you know,
you have five weeks of just huh huh, and then
you'll get into conference play.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
No start with the bang. We will start with the bank.
Three saturdays from now is Week one, two saturdays, so
this tomorrow is the last Saturday without college football week zero,
not tomorrow, but a week from tomorrow. So that is exciting.
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Kelvin and Rob are out air trus E from salam
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Yous as directed, so don't want to do go straight
to the phone lines. One of the best NFL insiders
on the planet, Adam Kaplan. Of course, you can follow
him on Twitter at Kaplan NFL. He is our Fox
Sports Radio NFL insider host of Inside the Birds Adam One,
(14:29):
How are you too? Where in the world are you
right now? I know you're a busy man this time.
Here are you traveling? Where you at?
Speaker 7 (14:35):
Yeah, guys, I am in my office watching the Detroit
Atlanta game, and I'm gonna flip to a couple of
these other games here and then. Yeah, so next week
and niphram could relate to this with the joint practices,
I'll probably see like ten teams working with each other
next week.
Speaker 8 (14:49):
If if weather.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
Holds up and travel holds up, Jets, Giants, Eagles, Browns, Bucks, Steelers,
probably gonna hit at one more by the end of
the week. So you're looking forward to getting on the road.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I was just gonna ask you real quick, and I
was curious. Before the break, Adam, we were talking about
how every day seemingly there is new information coming out
of these camps and new Caleb Williams take or video
or whatever.
Speaker 8 (15:18):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And I was telling Ephraim it's like college football is
unbelievable because there it's just state secrets everywhere, and then
it's week one and it's awesome, but you don't really
get any information this time here. I was just curious,
how much are you guys? Are you and the media
we in the media. I've never covered in an NFL camp,
but how much are the Is the media able to
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see be around? Are you limited? Is it unlimited? Our
players and coaches available every question?
Speaker 7 (15:45):
So it varies by camp. So I typically will only
go to a camp where I get good access, whether
I know I'm gonna get in front of the coaches
and executives, you know, because you text people hey man,
I want to want to catch up if you got time,
and then yeah, because I'm not, you know, I'm to
beat reporter, so I don't care. You know, I'm not
coming with a mic trying to interview a player that
doesn't That does nothing for me. I'm looking for information,
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trying to learn about a club, get a good feel
for them, and get you FaceTime. Getting in front of people,
getting the truth is what I'm after doing. This is
my twenty first training camp tour, and that's you know,
it's why I do it.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
I travel, I try to this. This tour won't be.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
As long as it I mean, I've done one where
it's twenty four teams in like thirty days, which is insane.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
That's not something I want to do again. But it's
a hustle.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
I mean, I really do enjoy it and getting in front,
in front of people, getting access. So there's some teams
that you know, the problem is where you you know
you want to watch practice and you're you're too far away.
Well that doesn't you know, it doesn't interest me. So
on your question, it's where I could get a good
view and get in front of people. Well, let me
ask you this.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Out of the views that you have had, has there
has anything stood out that was different than you your
expectation going into a certain team.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Well, okay, see from this is a this is a
great one. I go back to my first two in
two thousand and five. So I'd heard the Raiders you
were in Napa, and I'm like, okay, you Napa, Marriott,
don't know where like the Raiders pr that was awful,
Like they didn't tell you where the field was. So
I'm walking around, you know, I find it off of
Solano Road.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
I bet you know.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
I know everything about it because I've been there so
many times. So I see what it looks to be
a tennis court because it's covered with tarp. So I'm like, well,
this can't be it. So I'm walking around. I asked
the uh. I asked the security to going, hey, do
you have any idea where the field days goes? You're
looking at him like, what do you mean, I'm looking
at it? He goes, you don't look inside. I'm like,
I look inside. I'm like, oh my god. So what
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it is is they ripped up the parking lot and
they put three fields down there. It's just the crazy
you got like the pools in front of it where
the hotel guests are, and then you've got three football fields.
It's it's And by the way, going there from five
through twenty nineteen, it never rained one day, not one
day fifteen years going there. Think about that. It's incredible.
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That's my favorite camp of all time. By the way,
not nothing will come closer now Texans. For a team
that you played for, you know, it's bad. So I
went to their their coming out of the lockout of
twenty eleven. So they set a national record most thirty
straight one hundred degree days. You know it's bad when
the PR staff emails you and said, hey, you probably
want to bring another T shirt?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Wow, thirty straight?
Speaker 8 (18:21):
Yeah, it was awful in one of those days.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Are you not in that? It is awful? And that's
why I I'm sitting here talking about it. And every
time I see teams going to training camp, I get
anxiety because I remember what those days are. Just going
into the season. Is there a team that didn't reach,
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you know, their potential or expectations last year that you
see going into this season they can make some noise.
Every year there's a couple of teams I want to
be the first I know from you.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
I know, and you never know which It's hard to
project at and like like Denver last year, I completely
missed on I You know this as a former player,
you can never underestimate the value of coaching. I just
didn't see it with bo Nicks. And I'd heard for
the draft that this was Sean Payton's guy. But Knicks
played pretty well by rookie standards. But so, who's going
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to be that team that nobody's talking about that comes
out of nowhere? So I have a team now, they
didn't make the playoffs. They were ten and seven last year.
Seattle Seahawks, I think had a really good offseason and
I really Sam Donald played great in the in the
West Coast offense.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
I know, I think you were in it. Were you
in Kobeak's offense?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Of course? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Yeah, so you know that offense, and Donald's going to
play it in it. Ironically, Clink Kobyaks offense, who coached
with New Orleans lasts and did a pretty good job
for Derek Carr got hurt. So I feel like that
and their defense is young and very talented. I think
that's a team that can make the playoffs. I'm not
buying the Chicago hype now. I'm a Ben Johnson enthusiast.
I believe he'll do a good job. I don't think
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they're going to be good enough on defense with their
past rush, but I'm hoping he got there before their
their training camp ends. They were five and twelve. They
were they were disaster and total chaos. Coaches fired in
season and they were just they had a lot of
discipline talking to people there. I don't see them getting
in there this season, but I think they will improve.
I would probably say, Seattle will be one of them.
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I think New England will be way better than people think.
They're ford to thirteen last season, not very competitive, had
a very tough schedule last season. Drake may Is talking
to the Patriots. It was probably better than they anticipated
when when they drafted him. And he's had a schedule,
he's doing pretty well. They're gonna be an Remember Mike
Rabel's the head coach. They're gonna be like eight or
nine wins and they're not gonna make the playoffs, but
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theyre gonna much better than people think.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Adam Kaplan joining us our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider,
host of Inside the Birds at Kaplan NFL on Twitter,
and let me ask you this. You know you mentioned
Ben Johnson. I actually asked you a question a few
weeks ago about kind of everything surrounding both the and
the Bears.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
But oh, yeah, yeah, this is a great one.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Ahead.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah you said it was quote a great question and
you meant it. You know, sometimes people say it's a
great question, they don't mean it. But all I said
was will the impact be felt more positively for Chicago
or negatively in Detroit? But I will. I do want
to ask you negatively.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
For Detroit, by the way, it is absolutely the way
they're thinking about it. John Morton's their offense coordinator. He
was a coordinator he called the place for the Jets,
and I remember putting a report out that the players
just didn't buy into a system. Oh yeah, I got.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
I mean it was true.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
I mean that's got to from two people who were
with the team then, so it's you know, it's definitely true.
Some people thought I was out on my mind, but
it was true. But now he's a Sean Payton guy.
He's a really sharp guy. You know, look, this is
eight years ago, so everybody, we grow and evolve. But
Ben Johnson is brilliant and he he is and and
he coaches hard, and you know, they the players kind
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of saw immediately with the Bears that he's going to
be He's on them all the time. And now they've
accepted it so far. But we he from knows this
as a former player. They haven't coached the game yet,
so real game yet, so we'll see how much it
really matters.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Can I follow? I was gonna ask really quick the
Caleb Williams stuff. Is it just because he's the number
one pick in a lightning rod. Do we think that
he's like, you know, there's a report about him every day,
but you know, if he was Caleb Williams' twenty sixth
overall pick playing for the Saints, is the coverage the same,
(22:29):
Like is it concerning or is it just he's Caleb
Williams or both?
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Well, he's a lightning rod because he was the first
pick overall. He is very talented, but needs what we
call hard coaching and he's gonna get it from Ben Johnson.
The thing with Caleb Williams is a lack of discipline
in his play, not very structured. You know, he needs
more structure and that's coming with Ben Johnson and he
gets on him. But man, Caleb Williams, I know it
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wasn't good. He didn't have a good rookie season.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
But if you.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
Isolate throws, there are some plays last year we go wow,
But he just played with a lack of discipline and
that's going to come here. And you know, by the way,
they are very talent on offense. The problem is on
defense where they've like no pass rush at all.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Let me ask you a question about this game we're
watching here. Cleveland has six quarterbacks on the roster. Obviously,
they're depending on Joe Flacco to start this thing off.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Is there a spot, are a way.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
That Shadua Sanders can supersede that and play himself into
an opening day starter.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
It'll be hard, It'll be hard, but listen if now,
depending on how they want to do it, he started
tonight at Carolina. He'll be in Philly this week. They
have two joint practices, and you know, I'll be at
least at one of them, and I'll talk to Kevin Stefanski.
I'll get and I know if Joe flackwef couvert him
since seven, so I'll get a lot of pinions on
how Shoudur has done. And he's doing well tonight, by
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the way. Now, Carolina, by the way, played some starters
on defense, so that that's I like that. And Shoulder's
playing with a bunch of backups, which is not easy
to do, by the way, you know, because a lot
of these guys won't be on the football team this fall.
But I like that he's gotten off to a fairly
decent start. You know, could he do it? I don't
see Dylan Gabriel being a starter. Cann he Pickett has
(24:12):
heard he's not a starter. They got the wrong guy there.
What they should have gotten is Tanner McKee, But I
don't think he would have done it. Tanner McKee, as
you saw last night twenty for twenty five, who's really talented,
one of the better backups in the NFL. But Flacco. Look,
Flacco put the team on his back two years ago
with Cleveland. That was incredible. Last year not so good
with Indy. But it depends from how good of a
(24:34):
start that they get off to. If Joe starts like
I think he will and they're two and five, you
have to have yourself what's the point, Like, what are
you playing for here?
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Go to the kid now?
Speaker 7 (24:44):
One thing I will tell you, if they don't think
the kid's ready, they're not going to just throw him
in there.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
That's not going to happen.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Kevin's got his extension, but they're going to be smart
about now. Jimmy has them. The owner is involved. He's
an involved owner. He made the call to go against
Kyle Shannan and play. He told Ray Farmer. Then he's hey, Ray,
put we want we want Johnny manziel In. And that's
not what Kyle Shanahan wanted. So Jimmy Haslm's got to
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be careful here. He cannot get involved here with what
happens with playing decisions.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Adam Kaplan joining us, host of Inside the Birds at
Adam at Kaplan NFL on Twitter. Let me ask you
a question now, Adam. It's a little water under the
bridge at this point. But I am curious in your reporting,
what was the biggest or what was the reason for
Shodor's fall? Was it being misevaluated? Was it really bad interviews?
(25:39):
We've heard so much yours.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Plugged in the truth?
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Go ahead, Yeah, I mean, I'm just going to tell
you what I got. I got three things not prepared
for interviews. I would say that like he was asked
to do certain things, like what happens is his interviews
with quarterbacks. Okay, hey, listen, we're gonna give you these
We're going to run through them, and we want you
to come. We're going to talk to you later. After
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you go through the playbook or the film. You're going
to look at your this iPad and we're going to
come back and bring you back in an hour. And
he either didn't study or was indifferent, and that that's
just not right, and he seemed unprepared and didn't care.
And that was that was true, that that I talked
to the right people that that.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
This isn't made up. I don't do that stuff.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
And I when when the stuff started to come out
before the draft, I was like, Wow, why is this
coming out? Like what's how much is the truth? And
I just was surprised, Uh, people I really trust. Uh.
The quarterback coach I've known forever said he was very
disappointed because he liked his tape.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
He said off tape, he gave him a third round grade.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
And then when they got him in their building, uh
or whoever the interviewed, I don't know if it was
a combine in their building. Just was not impressed with
and very disappointed with his attitude. So that that stuff's real.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
To be honest with you, Wow, that's uh, it is.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
What it is.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah, But you know I was telling earlier, I was
saying that all of that doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Now it's gone.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
Yeah, he's a profered but it does matter in this case.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
If he acts the same way from as he did
before the draft, then it matters. If it's he takes
it as a new beginning, that's behind me. I'm a baller,
I'm gonna prepare. I'm a quarterback. He takes it the
right way, then he's got a chance because he's a
very talented quarterback.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And that's why I mean, that's what I mean by
it doesn't matter, because now you'll be graded on what
you do on the.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Field, not a preseason in the classroom.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
In the classroom, right, yeah, Well you're not gonna get
on the field if you don't do it in the classroom.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
They just knows as alignment that that ain't gonna work.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Yeah, they're not. We're not about to go out there,
just roll the dice.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
If you can't get plays together in the classroom, you
won't be playing. And the fact that he is starting
today bodes well that he has a firm grasp and
understanding of of the playbook. He's looked well, like you said,
eleven for eighteen, one hundred and three yards, two touchdowns,
four rushes and twenty yards. So for me, all of
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the speeding tickets, of the batched interviews, the dropping in
the draft, it doesn't matter. What matters now is what
you put on tape. If you come out here and
you play well, you command the team, you lead the team.
All of that's forgotten because now when ro football is played,
what you did to get here is it is?
Speaker 5 (28:29):
What it is? What are you going to do to
stay here? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:32):
I would agree. Now we'll see how he handles himself. Yeah,
I'll find out what the tape looked like, because you know,
we're only seeing numbers here. I need to get a
better grasp of what it really looked like.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
But I was looking good. He missed some open throws,
but he scrambled. He hasn't looked rattled. He's you know,
not watching the plays at the line of scrimmage, no fumble, snaps,
all the roads. Yeah, so you know, for me, just
watching the first half, and I'm not sure he'll play
in the second half. It's it's I'm I'm pleased with
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what with with what he did.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
Because by the way, and they don't have a future quarterback,
so this, this is very important.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
They have no idea. We said that they don't have
a quarterback.
Speaker 8 (29:17):
They have no idea.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
They had six on the roster and no starting quarterback.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Watson the forest transaction in NFL history, right, that's and
I mean it is, it's it's the worst move I've seen.
And it's funny thing is he would have been an Eagle.
I feel strongly had he wanted to be an Eagle.
But that's another that's a that's a thirty for thirty.
They were the Eagles pursued. I mean, they were really
in again and trying to get Watson, but you know,
just they didn't go far enough. But Cleveland now has
(29:43):
got to figure it out. But you know, they have
an interesting roster. That they have a good roster. People
don't realize that because they were so bad last season.
But it's been about the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Adam Kaplan, host of Inside the Birds Are Fox Sports Radio,
NFL insider, Adam, we got to let you go real
quick where you headed to this week. I know you
said eight would you say eight teams?
Speaker 7 (30:01):
Yeah, if it all works out and weather, you know,
weather and whatever the case may be. But I got
a joint. I got a night practice in Philly at
their stadium. They have one practice where the fans get
to go and they usually get forty or fifty thousand.
So that's at the Lincoln Financial Stadium Sunday night. And
then if all goes to all Washington and the Giants
Jets joint, Brown's Eagles joint, Bucks Steelers joint. And then
(30:28):
the following week. See I go week by week. So
that's what I got for next week?
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Are you I drive?
Speaker 8 (30:33):
This is a drive.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
It's funny. I live in the Philly area, so this
is a driving trip. And then the last the eighteenth
or the twenty second, I'm hoping to fly out west
if all works out, I I do. I'm not going
to I'm not going to Henders. I'm not going to
Nevada because I've refused to be in that weather.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
But you did thirty straight days of one hundred degrees
in Houston.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
Yeah, I know, but I'd rather be You know where
I'd like to go is La. I'd see the Rams
and Elsagundo.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
With the Choges, the Jetan Adam kaplanan, we appreciate your time.
Thank you for your time, and again follow Adam on
Twitter at Kaplan NFL and of course the hosted the
Inside the Birds podcast.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Thank you, Adam, appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
That was Adam Kaplan, host of Inside the Birds and
our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider. Let's not waste any
more time. News Desk Steve Desager, what is trending. We
got three NFL exhibitions to update. Cleveland as the halftime
lead fourteen to seven at Carolina. Shador Sanders the rookie
starting tonight, eleven of eighteen, one hundred three yards, two touchdowns.
(31:34):
One of those was a short TD right after Cleveland
recovered a muff punt. It was Bryce Young with a
TD pass for the Panther scoring New England up twenty
to three on Washington.
Speaker 9 (31:45):
In the second quarter. The Patriots rookie Trevion Henderson returned
the opening kickoff one hundred yards for a touchdown. Drake
May did have a fumble as he was sacked. He
only has twelve yards passing in the first half, but
he does have a five yard touchdown run for the
Pats halftime. At Atlanta, it's ten to seven Falcons over
Detroit Falcons with a fifty seven yard field goal and
(32:08):
late first half and Easton Stick touchdown pass Stick the
former Charger preseason quarterback fifteen of eighteen through the air
one hundred and forty nine yards and the TD to
Major League Baseball. Houston still leads two nothing at the
Yankees in the bottom of the fifth on a two
run homer in the first from Jose Altuve Orioles over
the A's three to one bottom of the six. The
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Angels have taken the lead at Detroit four to three,
top of the six, getting back to back homers off
Trek Scooble, who's out after allowing the four runs in
four and two third innings. Marlins lead five nothing at
the Braves bottom of the six. Reds a two to
one leader at Pittsburgh bottom of the seventh. It's the
Guardian seven to one at the White Sox top of
the fourth. Philadelphia star Kyle Schwarber with his forty first
(32:53):
homer of the season. The Phillies at Rangers game is
tied one to one in the second. Twins lead the
Royals three to one in the second. The Mets are
up two to nothing after two at Milwaukee. Cubs scoreless
at Saint Louis, bottom of the second in the NL Central,
the Brewers are first place, four games up on the Cubs.
The Celtics gave coach Joseph Missoula and extension the NBA's
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Christmas slate. Five games should include Houston at the Lakers,
Dallas at Golden State, three w NBA games tonight, including
New York up in the third quarter fifty two thirty
eight at Dallas for Dallas, Page Beckers out with a
bad back, and for New York Breonna Stewart due to
return in late August from a bow and Bruce in
(33:36):
her knee. Tommy Fleetwood leads by four strokes in Memphis.
Dustin Johnson tied for the livegolf lead in Chicago with
Sergio Garcia.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
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should be. Three NFL preseason games currently going on. Cleveland
up fourteen to seven. Uh here, yeah, that's darn right,
Alex Tycher to you, there's a new king of Cleveland.
You know, there's a new chosen one in Cleveland. Schador
Sanders two touchdown passes in the first half for the
(35:00):
Cleveland Browns. We'll talk about that game at about nine
o'clock Eastern time. Also, New England up seventeen. Nothing on
the Washington Commanders. Let me ask you this, Drake May
actually getting a few series for the New England Patriots.
Are you at all surprised? I mean, he's clearly the
starter year two. It is a new coaching staff under
(35:22):
Mike Vrabel. Are you at all surprised that Drake May
was New England's starter here in their preseason opener.
Speaker 10 (35:31):
No.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
I think.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Mike wants to see for himself what he has and
what he needs to work on. And that's understandable. You
coming in, you're taking over a program, Your expectations are
extremely high. We know that, So what do you bringing
to this, what is this guy?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
What do I have? What did I inherit?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
And so you just want to see him in action,
so you can get to feel yourself as a coach
of of what this feels like.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
And I understand that, I get that.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
What do you think of his year one performance, Drake May,
who of course drafted in that famous class with Jydon
Daniels and all those guys. Sixty seven percent completion percentage,
fifteen touchdowns, ten interceptions on a team that was very
good without very much help around.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
I thought it was silient. I thought he did a
good job. I thought he.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Stepped into an organization and was kind of in disarray,
and they were still in disarray last year. Would have
coached it didn't last very long. And so now we
know the stability and the force that is Mike Rabel,
and I think this would be great for Drake May
(36:46):
coming in and having a real offensive coordinator and just
getting back to the Patriots way right, No more experiment,
Let's just get back to football and and instilling some
of the things that uh, you know, McDaniel's and Vraibel
(37:09):
grew up under Belichick.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
With I'll say this, we're gonna lead next hour with
Shdor Sanders, but he is back in to start the
third quarter.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
You could say whatever you want about whatever. They are
giving him a chance to show what he is capable
of doing.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
They don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
They need to know.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I'm telling you, they really are, Like if Kenny is
not healthy, if you know, of course Dashaun is off
the table. They know Joe Flacco, so they're really trying
to figure out what these three young players. Who's gonna
be the guy who can we go to and who's
gonna warrant a roster spot. The more experience that you
(37:55):
can get, the better you'll be in the regular season.
More experiencing pre season, the better you be in regular season.
I don't care who you going against, choose ones, whatever,
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
So you're impressed. I'm impressed. We do have a listener
who I have a feeling might not be. Rob Parker
has texted Alex tyser W about Shador Sanders' debut. Alex Teischer,
please read this is by the way, this is live
on air, and I have not heard this.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
I don't know. Go ahead.
Speaker 10 (38:29):
So Rob Parker apparently doesn't know he's not on the
clock is texting our group chat religiously seeing that he
is a Magic City guy. I don't know why he's
doing this. So he says, and I quote, apparently Sanders
just won the super Bowl. Too much made out of
a first preseason game. I refuse to be a part
of it. Hashtag Tim Tebow two point zero. I mean
(38:50):
Tim Tebow won games in the regular season. Winn was
won game. What are we talking about?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So I'm saying, yeah, there's probably a good example. There's
probably a lot of good examples of quarterbacks that looked
great in the preseason that never amounted to much. I
don't think Tim Tebow is one of them. But but yeah,
where you say something, Ian.
Speaker 11 (39:10):
I'm just gonna say, I remember Daniel Jones, Like I
remember his first preseason game and being really impressed by it,
and then he just didn't do anything, you know, in
the regular season. That was so high point. That was
yeah the high point.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Well, for a team that doesn't have a quarterback and
hasn't had a quarterback since Bernie Cozar, they gotta be thrilled. Yeah,
this is a viable option. Yep, let's see if this
thing now what they need to do is nurture this
and cultivate it and really pour into it to help
(39:48):
him maximize his abilities. Uh, and what he can do
for this team. If they don't do that, then you know,
and I don't know if they can. They're like we've
seen them, Yeah, they've and they gave up on Baker
Mayfield and he's scorching the earth right now in Tampa.
So I just and I don't know, Man, it is
(40:10):
the Browns.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
It is the Browns. So I'll say this, you know,
if it somehow works out, if he becomes a serviceable
started quarterback, goes down as like one of the great
draft picks of all time. Now, it'll be interesting to
see who takes credit for the draft pick, because of
course Jimmy has them says it wasn't him. But we've
all seen the video of the draft room.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
And it wasn't any of the coaches. I can tell
you that well.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
And I was gonna say they also took Dylan Gabriel
two rounds before. So if they were that fired up
about Shador easily was available in the first round, the
second round, the third round, and the fourth round. Shador
sanders two touchdown passes in the first half. Third quarter
has just started in Carolina. This is the odd couple
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(40:55):
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(01:13):
preseason well underway, as de Segre just told you, three
games in progress three last night. We'll get back to
the NFL in just a minute, and Adam Kaplan, of
course from Inside the Birds podcast, will join us to
give us plenty of updates on what he has learned
in camp so far. You know, Ephraim, I do want
to switch gears briefly to college football, and I don't
(01:36):
want to talk necessarily about a specific player or stat
or news item because there essentially are none. And it
really struck me today, Ephraim, is that I listen. I
think you and I and most of the audience we
love the NFL. We also love college football. But I
(01:58):
was thinking today college football, of every major sport, has
to have the worst lead up to the season. Oh yeah,
Like it's unbelievable. So put us out like credit, the NFL.
Fans get in, fans get to watch. There's clearly a
higher degree of media availability because every day I wake up,
(02:21):
there's a new Caleb Williams story. There's a new Aaron
Rodgers story, there's a new whatever, there's a new Shore
Sanders story. And I was thinking about this with college football.
The SEGA did just mention throughout the show that Garrett Nussmeyer,
the LSU starting quarterback, has a little bit of a
banged up knee, but there is literally no news about
(02:42):
college football. It's unbelievable to me. And I'll just say
this really quick. I'm not going crazy. I went and
looked at espn dot com today. The number three trending
story on ESPN's college football page was the coaches pulled
got released on Monday. And so I'm opening the floor
(03:05):
up to you from me. If you were the dubious,
elusive college football commissioner that everybody is demanding one, would
you do anything to change the lead up to the season,
because I am blown away how there is literally nothing
to talk about and no major news. And by the way,
(03:26):
and I'll just be really quick and I'll get it
to you. When I say major news, I don't mean
like God forbid an injury or something bad happens. Like
I said, every day there's a new Aaron Rodgers story.
Every day, there's a new Shadoor Sanders story. And with
college football, it is freaking crickets. As we are now
three saturdays away from the first full weekend of college football.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I think the lead up to it is there's no preseason,
so teams you don't know these teams, nope, until they
actually start playing. So many new kids are theirs players
have left? You're not, you don't. I don't know if
there's a way to ramp up the beginning of college football.
(04:11):
It kind of just happens, right. It does have zero weekend,
right uh And and those games are are usually okay,
But the impact of college football when it starts, it's
(04:35):
like no other. So I just think because you're dealing
with student athletes and no one really knows what what
you have, we don't have any inside looks. There are
there are no you know, like for training camp, there
will be a look in at training camp for each
(04:56):
NFL team. Are there is none of at on the
college campus because there I mean their students as well.
And I don't know if there's a fix to get
people pumped up leading into the season. I just know
when the season starts, it starts with a rocket ship.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It does.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
And what we've seen now more than anything, big games
are happening early. Sure, I think that's the change that
people enjoy because you could get you know, Alabama versus
Wisconsin Tech.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
You can get you know.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Ssconsin Tech is going to be good this year, by
the way, just let the.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
There are so many of those type of games. Earlier,
it used to be those type of games early in
the season that it's like, but now the way college
football can really ramp this thing up. It start with
marquee matchups like they're doing this year. Yeah, Tech, Oklahoma, Texas,
(06:01):
Ohio STATEOWA. That's huge, huge, Clemson LSU by the way,
week one as.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Well, That's that's how you do it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And that and and that I will defend college football
is that that opening weekend is great. And it's funny
now with this expanded playoff, everyone's just trying to figure
out the calendar. And I even saw Dan Lanning actually
say he thinks that we should move up the season.
That's one thing I actually disagree with. I think that
Labor Day weekend everybody has it off. You know, you
(06:32):
have a three day weekend. You have basically five straight
days of college football because you start on that Thursday
and then you go all the way through Labor Day
Night on Monday. By the way, this game this this
year's Labor Day the Monday Night game is TCU at
the North Carolina tar Heels. Jordan Hudson's North Carolina tar Heels.
So plenty of intrigue there. Uh, and so I agree
(06:55):
with you one hundred percent is that Week one is
good and zero. To your point, there's usually a marquee game.
This year, not marquee, but a noteworthy game. At least
this year it's Iowa State, Kansas State, it's overseas whatever.
I think both those teams will probably be on the
fringes of the top twenty five. So I guess once
you get to week zero it's okay. I And one
(07:17):
thing I will say, we're having Adam Kaplan on the
show here in about ten minutes from now, and I
do want to ask him about the media availability because
it does feel like all of these players, all these
coaches are let me ask you, you played in the league,
I should probably just ask you what is media availability?
Are our players? Are fans allowed in every day?
Speaker 5 (07:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
No, it's just like that one day a week or whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
No, they have designated days where fans are part of
the practicing and can come. Because once you open it
to fans, you're opening to everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Well that's yeah, and that's the argument against college football.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, like you don't want just everybody in there. Now,
They'll have days set aside where you know, fans are there,
they may have a little live scrimmage, like fans just
watching the regular practice.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
It's not yeah, there's not much going on. It is
not a lot going on the pook on that day.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
No, so when they set things up, we're gonna have
a live team period or we're gonna do you know,
just to give the fans something to look forward to,
and so on and so forth. But every day is
not open for fans, and they and it shouldn't be
sure because now it becomes something other than what it is.
And what it is is we're putting this install in
these playbooks, these plays. We want effort, we want this,
(08:34):
and that a lot of custom from the coaches, like
you you know, there's a lot of things that that
coaches don't even want that that level of accessibility to
their program because especially kids, they you get distracted easy. Sure,
you know your girlfriend her friends are up in oh yeah,
(08:54):
you know, gammafy gammas over here and they got the
whole like it's just you know, so it's training camp
in preseason for football.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
It's for business.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Sure, it's your job. College football. You're trying to hit
the ground running.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
You mentioned Wisconsin Tech. Would you have a problem with
preseason game even if it's just one in college?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Full No, I don't think they should do that, really,
I don't think. So what are your benefits? What are
you getting?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I could be what are the benefits of playing preseason
NFL games to.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Fill out your roster? There are no cuts in college?
Are with the portal now? But no, I know what
you're saying. You know what I'm saying, Like there you
go to camp with eighty eight guys, ninety guys, you
gotta get down to fifty three. Sure, you need training camp,
you need preseason. You need to see if young players
can step up and playing game like situations.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
There's no need for that in college.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
You don't need to know if young players can step
up in game likes it.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
No, you'll find out, like you'll find out.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
But the pract this is are set up to where
you know, me having a preseason game against Oklahoma if
I'm Oklahoma State that I don't know the benefit of
that right now. It's up to colleges. And you got
to remember most colleges have these players in place, right like,
(10:24):
so if you have a quarterback that's coming back, Okay,
quarterbacks coming back. If you lost a receiver, you the
guy behind him last year is normally going to be
that guy this year. Right, Like there's a feeder system
in college already, sure, right, Like, it's already there. You've
(10:46):
been living with these players and watching these players and
playing with these players since they've been at your program.
Now a portal throws a little wrench in there, but
there's a body of work of that player that you
got from the portal that you can you already know
what you're getting. You draft a kid in the NFL.
Can he play at the next level?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
You need to find out.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
That's the question for every single draft pick. Two hundred
and however many draft picks will Can he play at
the next level? That is the question that training camp
in preseason answers. Yeah, I'll be curious. We're gonna welcome
in Adam Kaplan here in just a few minutes. I'd
actually be curious his thoughts because.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
It's just it's incredible to me how little again information
is out there. But again to your point, once we
start that season, we do hit the ground running, and
to the credit of college football, and I think the
twelve team playoff helps, you know, one loss doesn't submarine
your season. So we can't get a Texas Ohio State
in week one, Clemson LSU actually Notre Dame Miami in
(11:52):
week one.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Teams are are willing to take those shots. And before
it's like now we're gonna play Citadel we won. We're
gonna play Wichita Tech or Wichita Southwest. Then when you know,
you have five weeks of just huh huh, and then
you'll get into conference play.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
No start with the bang. We will start with the bank.
Three saturdays from now is Week one, two saturdays, so
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Speaker 3 (13:46):
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio. This is the Odd Couple.
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to the phone lines. One of the best NFL insiders
on the planet, Adam Kaplan. Of course, you can follow
him on Twitter at Kaplan NFL. He is our Fox
Sports Radio NFL insider host of Inside the Birds Adam One,
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How are you too? Where in the world are you
right now? I know you're a busy man this time.
Here are you traveling? Where you at?
Speaker 7 (14:35):
Yeah, guys, I am in my office watching the Detroit
Atlanta game, and I'm gonna flip to a couple of
these other games here and then. Yeah, so next week
and niphram could relate to this with the joint practices,
I'll probably see like ten teams working with each other
next week.
Speaker 8 (14:49):
If if weather.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
Holds up and travel holds up, Jets, Giants, Eagles, Browns, Bucks, Steelers,
probably gonna hit at one more by the end of
the week. So you're looking forward to getting on the road.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I was just gonna ask you real quick, and I
was curious. Before the break, Adam, we were talking about
how every day seemingly there is new information coming out
of these camps and new Caleb Williams take or video
or whatever.
Speaker 8 (15:18):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And I was telling Ephraim it's like college football is
unbelievable because there it's just state secrets everywhere, and then
it's week one and it's awesome, but you don't really
get any information this time here. I was just curious,
how much are you guys? Are you and the media
we in the media. I've never covered in an NFL camp,
but how much are the Is the media able to
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see be around? Are you limited? Is it unlimited? Our
players and coaches available every question?
Speaker 7 (15:45):
So it varies by camp. So I typically will only
go to a camp where I get good access, whether
I know I'm gonna get in front of the coaches
and executives, you know, because you text people hey man,
I want to want to catch up if you got time,
and then yeah, because I'm not, you know, I'm to
beat reporter, so I don't care. You know, I'm not
coming with a mic trying to interview a player that
doesn't That does nothing for me. I'm looking for information,
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trying to learn about a club, get a good feel
for them, and get you FaceTime. Getting in front of people,
getting the truth is what I'm after doing. This is
my twenty first training camp tour, and that's you know,
it's why I do it.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
I travel, I try to this. This tour won't be.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
As long as it I mean, I've done one where
it's twenty four teams in like thirty days, which is insane.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
That's not something I want to do again. But it's
a hustle.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
I mean, I really do enjoy it and getting in front,
in front of people, getting access. So there's some teams
that you know, the problem is where you you know
you want to watch practice and you're you're too far away.
Well that doesn't you know, it doesn't interest me. So
on your question, it's where I could get a good
view and get in front of people. Well, let me
ask you this.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Out of the views that you have had, has there
has anything stood out that was different than you your
expectation going into a certain team.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Well, okay, see from this is a this is a
great one. I go back to my first two in
two thousand and five. So I'd heard the Raiders you
were in Napa, and I'm like, okay, you Napa, Marriott,
don't know where like the Raiders pr that was awful,
Like they didn't tell you where the field was. So
I'm walking around, you know, I find it off of
Solano Road.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
I bet you know.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
I know everything about it because I've been there so
many times. So I see what it looks to be
a tennis court because it's covered with tarp. So I'm like, well,
this can't be it. So I'm walking around. I asked
the uh. I asked the security to going, hey, do
you have any idea where the field days goes? You're
looking at him like, what do you mean, I'm looking
at it? He goes, you don't look inside. I'm like,
I look inside. I'm like, oh my god. So what
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it is is they ripped up the parking lot and
they put three fields down there. It's just the crazy
you got like the pools in front of it where
the hotel guests are, and then you've got three football fields.
It's it's And by the way, going there from five
through twenty nineteen, it never rained one day, not one
day fifteen years going there. Think about that. It's incredible.
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That's my favorite camp of all time. By the way,
not nothing will come closer now Texans. For a team
that you played for, you know, it's bad. So I
went to their their coming out of the lockout of
twenty eleven. So they set a national record most thirty
straight one hundred degree days. You know it's bad when
the PR staff emails you and said, hey, you probably
want to bring another T shirt?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Wow, thirty straight?
Speaker 8 (18:21):
Yeah, it was awful in one of those days.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Are you not in that? It is awful? And that's
why I I'm sitting here talking about it. And every
time I see teams going to training camp, I get
anxiety because I remember what those days are. Just going
into the season. Is there a team that didn't reach,
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you know, their potential or expectations last year that you
see going into this season they can make some noise.
Every year there's a couple of teams I want to
be the first I know from you.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
I know, and you never know which It's hard to
project at and like like Denver last year, I completely
missed on I You know this as a former player,
you can never underestimate the value of coaching. I just
didn't see it with bo Nicks. And I'd heard for
the draft that this was Sean Payton's guy. But Knicks
played pretty well by rookie standards. But so, who's going
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to be that team that nobody's talking about that comes
out of nowhere? So I have a team now, they
didn't make the playoffs. They were ten and seven last year.
Seattle Seahawks, I think had a really good offseason and
I really Sam Donald played great in the in the
West Coast offense.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
I know, I think you were in it. Were you
in Kobeak's offense?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Of course? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Yeah, so you know that offense, and Donald's going to
play it in it. Ironically, Clink Kobyaks offense, who coached
with New Orleans lasts and did a pretty good job
for Derek Carr got hurt. So I feel like that
and their defense is young and very talented. I think
that's a team that can make the playoffs. I'm not
buying the Chicago hype now. I'm a Ben Johnson enthusiast.
I believe he'll do a good job. I don't think
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they're going to be good enough on defense with their
past rush, but I'm hoping he got there before their
their training camp ends. They were five and twelve. They
were they were disaster and total chaos. Coaches fired in
season and they were just they had a lot of
discipline talking to people there. I don't see them getting
in there this season, but I think they will improve.
I would probably say, Seattle will be one of them.
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I think New England will be way better than people think.
They're ford to thirteen last season, not very competitive, had
a very tough schedule last season. Drake may Is talking
to the Patriots. It was probably better than they anticipated
when when they drafted him. And he's had a schedule,
he's doing pretty well. They're gonna be an Remember Mike
Rabel's the head coach. They're gonna be like eight or
nine wins and they're not gonna make the playoffs, but
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theyre gonna much better than people think.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Adam Kaplan joining us our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider,
host of Inside the Birds at Kaplan NFL on Twitter,
and let me ask you this. You know you mentioned
Ben Johnson. I actually asked you a question a few
weeks ago about kind of everything surrounding both the and
the Bears.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
But oh, yeah, yeah, this is a great one.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Ahead.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah you said it was quote a great question and
you meant it. You know, sometimes people say it's a
great question, they don't mean it. But all I said
was will the impact be felt more positively for Chicago
or negatively in Detroit? But I will. I do want
to ask you negatively.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
For Detroit, by the way, it is absolutely the way
they're thinking about it. John Morton's their offense coordinator. He
was a coordinator he called the place for the Jets,
and I remember putting a report out that the players
just didn't buy into a system. Oh yeah, I got.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
I mean it was true.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
I mean that's got to from two people who were
with the team then, so it's you know, it's definitely true.
Some people thought I was out on my mind, but
it was true. But now he's a Sean Payton guy.
He's a really sharp guy. You know, look, this is
eight years ago, so everybody, we grow and evolve. But
Ben Johnson is brilliant and he he is and and
he coaches hard, and you know, they the players kind
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of saw immediately with the Bears that he's going to
be He's on them all the time. And now they've
accepted it so far. But we he from knows this
as a former player. They haven't coached the game yet,
so real game yet, so we'll see how much it
really matters.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Can I follow? I was gonna ask really quick the
Caleb Williams stuff. Is it just because he's the number
one pick in a lightning rod. Do we think that
he's like, you know, there's a report about him every day,
but you know, if he was Caleb Williams' twenty sixth
overall pick playing for the Saints, is the coverage the same,
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Like is it concerning or is it just he's Caleb
Williams or both?
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Well, he's a lightning rod because he was the first
pick overall. He is very talented, but needs what we
call hard coaching and he's gonna get it from Ben Johnson.
The thing with Caleb Williams is a lack of discipline
in his play, not very structured. You know, he needs
more structure and that's coming with Ben Johnson and he
gets on him. But man, Caleb Williams, I know it
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wasn't good. He didn't have a good rookie season.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
But if you.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
Isolate throws, there are some plays last year we go wow,
But he just played with a lack of discipline and
that's going to come here. And you know, by the way,
they are very talent on offense. The problem is on
defense where they've like no pass rush at all.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Let me ask you a question about this game we're
watching here. Cleveland has six quarterbacks on the roster. Obviously,
they're depending on Joe Flacco to start this thing off.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Is there a spot, are a way.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
That Shadua Sanders can supersede that and play himself into
an opening day starter.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
It'll be hard, It'll be hard, but listen if now,
depending on how they want to do it, he started
tonight at Carolina. He'll be in Philly this week. They
have two joint practices, and you know, I'll be at
least at one of them, and I'll talk to Kevin Stefanski.
I'll get and I know if Joe flackwef couvert him
since seven, so I'll get a lot of pinions on
how Shoudur has done. And he's doing well tonight, by
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the way. Now, Carolina, by the way, played some starters
on defense, so that that's I like that. And Shoulder's
playing with a bunch of backups, which is not easy
to do, by the way, you know, because a lot
of these guys won't be on the football team this fall.
But I like that he's gotten off to a fairly
decent start. You know, could he do it? I don't
see Dylan Gabriel being a starter. Cann he Pickett has
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heard he's not a starter. They got the wrong guy there.
What they should have gotten is Tanner McKee, But I
don't think he would have done it. Tanner McKee, as
you saw last night twenty for twenty five, who's really talented,
one of the better backups in the NFL. But Flacco. Look,
Flacco put the team on his back two years ago
with Cleveland. That was incredible. Last year not so good
with Indy. But it depends from how good of a
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start that they get off to. If Joe starts like
I think he will and they're two and five, you
have to have yourself what's the point, Like, what are
you playing for here?
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Go to the kid now?
Speaker 7 (24:44):
One thing I will tell you, if they don't think
the kid's ready, they're not going to just throw him
in there.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
That's not going to happen.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Kevin's got his extension, but they're going to be smart
about now. Jimmy has them. The owner is involved. He's
an involved owner. He made the call to go against
Kyle Shannan and play. He told Ray Farmer. Then he's hey, Ray,
put we want we want Johnny manziel In. And that's
not what Kyle Shanahan wanted. So Jimmy Haslm's got to
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be careful here. He cannot get involved here with what
happens with playing decisions.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Adam Kaplan joining us, host of Inside the Birds at
Adam at Kaplan NFL on Twitter. Let me ask you
a question now, Adam. It's a little water under the
bridge at this point. But I am curious in your reporting,
what was the biggest or what was the reason for
Shodor's fall? Was it being misevaluated? Was it really bad interviews?
(25:39):
We've heard so much yours.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Plugged in the truth?
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Go ahead, Yeah, I mean, I'm just going to tell
you what I got. I got three things not prepared
for interviews. I would say that like he was asked
to do certain things, like what happens is his interviews
with quarterbacks. Okay, hey, listen, we're gonna give you these
We're going to run through them, and we want you
to come. We're going to talk to you later. After
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you go through the playbook or the film. You're going
to look at your this iPad and we're going to
come back and bring you back in an hour. And
he either didn't study or was indifferent, and that that's
just not right, and he seemed unprepared and didn't care.
And that was that was true, that that I talked
to the right people that that.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
This isn't made up. I don't do that stuff.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
And I when when the stuff started to come out
before the draft, I was like, Wow, why is this
coming out? Like what's how much is the truth? And
I just was surprised, Uh, people I really trust. Uh.
The quarterback coach I've known forever said he was very
disappointed because he liked his tape.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
He said off tape, he gave him a third round grade.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
And then when they got him in their building, uh
or whoever the interviewed, I don't know if it was
a combine in their building. Just was not impressed with
and very disappointed with his attitude. So that that stuff's real.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
To be honest with you, Wow, that's uh, it is.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
What it is.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah, But you know I was telling earlier, I was
saying that all of that doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Now it's gone.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
Yeah, he's a profered but it does matter in this case.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
If he acts the same way from as he did
before the draft, then it matters. If it's he takes
it as a new beginning, that's behind me. I'm a baller,
I'm gonna prepare. I'm a quarterback. He takes it the
right way, then he's got a chance because he's a
very talented quarterback.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And that's why I mean, that's what I mean by
it doesn't matter, because now you'll be graded on what
you do on the.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Field, not a preseason in the classroom.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
In the classroom, right, yeah, Well you're not gonna get
on the field if you don't do it in the classroom.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
They just knows as alignment that that ain't gonna work.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Yeah, they're not. We're not about to go out there,
just roll the dice.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
If you can't get plays together in the classroom, you
won't be playing. And the fact that he is starting
today bodes well that he has a firm grasp and
understanding of of the playbook. He's looked well, like you said,
eleven for eighteen, one hundred and three yards, two touchdowns,
four rushes and twenty yards. So for me, all of
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the speeding tickets, of the batched interviews, the dropping in
the draft, it doesn't matter. What matters now is what
you put on tape. If you come out here and
you play well, you command the team, you lead the team.
All of that's forgotten because now when ro football is played,
what you did to get here is it is?
Speaker 5 (28:29):
What it is? What are you going to do to
stay here? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:32):
I would agree. Now we'll see how he handles himself. Yeah,
I'll find out what the tape looked like, because you know,
we're only seeing numbers here. I need to get a
better grasp of what it really looked like.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
But I was looking good. He missed some open throws,
but he scrambled. He hasn't looked rattled. He's you know,
not watching the plays at the line of scrimmage, no fumble, snaps,
all the roads. Yeah, so you know, for me, just
watching the first half, and I'm not sure he'll play
in the second half. It's it's I'm I'm pleased with
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what with with what he did.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
Because by the way, and they don't have a future quarterback,
so this, this is very important.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
They have no idea. We said that they don't have
a quarterback.
Speaker 8 (29:17):
They have no idea.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
They had six on the roster and no starting quarterback.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Watson the forest transaction in NFL history, right, that's and
I mean it is, it's it's the worst move I've seen.
And it's funny thing is he would have been an Eagle.
I feel strongly had he wanted to be an Eagle.
But that's another that's a that's a thirty for thirty.
They were the Eagles pursued. I mean, they were really
in again and trying to get Watson, but you know,
just they didn't go far enough. But Cleveland now has
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got to figure it out. But you know, they have
an interesting roster. That they have a good roster. People
don't realize that because they were so bad last season.
But it's been about the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Adam Kaplan, host of Inside the Birds Are Fox Sports Radio,
NFL insider, Adam, we got to let you go real
quick where you headed to this week. I know you
said eight would you say eight teams?
Speaker 7 (30:01):
Yeah, if it all works out and weather, you know,
weather and whatever the case may be. But I got
a joint. I got a night practice in Philly at
their stadium. They have one practice where the fans get
to go and they usually get forty or fifty thousand.
So that's at the Lincoln Financial Stadium Sunday night. And
then if all goes to all Washington and the Giants
Jets joint, Brown's Eagles joint, Bucks Steelers joint. And then
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the following week. See I go week by week. So
that's what I got for next week?
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Are you I drive?
Speaker 8 (30:33):
This is a drive.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
It's funny. I live in the Philly area, so this
is a driving trip. And then the last the eighteenth
or the twenty second, I'm hoping to fly out west
if all works out, I I do. I'm not going
to I'm not going to Henders. I'm not going to
Nevada because I've refused to be in that weather.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
But you did thirty straight days of one hundred degrees
in Houston.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
Yeah, I know, but I'd rather be You know where
I'd like to go is La. I'd see the Rams
and Elsagundo.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
With the Choges, the Jetan Adam kaplanan, we appreciate your time.
Thank you for your time, and again follow Adam on
Twitter at Kaplan NFL and of course the hosted the
Inside the Birds podcast.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Thank you, Adam, appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
That was Adam Kaplan, host of Inside the Birds and
our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider. Let's not waste any
more time. News Desk Steve Desager, what is trending. We
got three NFL exhibitions to update. Cleveland as the halftime
lead fourteen to seven at Carolina. Shador Sanders the rookie
starting tonight, eleven of eighteen, one hundred three yards, two touchdowns.
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One of those was a short TD right after Cleveland
recovered a muff punt. It was Bryce Young with a
TD pass for the Panther scoring New England up twenty
to three on Washington.
Speaker 9 (31:45):
In the second quarter. The Patriots rookie Trevion Henderson returned
the opening kickoff one hundred yards for a touchdown. Drake
May did have a fumble as he was sacked. He
only has twelve yards passing in the first half, but
he does have a five yard touchdown run for the
Pats halftime. At Atlanta, it's ten to seven Falcons over
Detroit Falcons with a fifty seven yard field goal and
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late first half and Easton Stick touchdown pass Stick the
former Charger preseason quarterback fifteen of eighteen through the air
one hundred and forty nine yards and the TD to
Major League Baseball. Houston still leads two nothing at the
Yankees in the bottom of the fifth on a two
run homer in the first from Jose Altuve Orioles over
the A's three to one bottom of the six. The
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Angels have taken the lead at Detroit four to three,
top of the six, getting back to back homers off
Trek Scooble, who's out after allowing the four runs in
four and two third innings. Marlins lead five nothing at
the Braves bottom of the six. Reds a two to
one leader at Pittsburgh bottom of the seventh. It's the
Guardian seven to one at the White Sox top of
the fourth. Philadelphia star Kyle Schwarber with his forty first
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homer of the season. The Phillies at Rangers game is
tied one to one in the second. Twins lead the
Royals three to one in the second. The Mets are
up two to nothing after two at Milwaukee. Cubs scoreless
at Saint Louis, bottom of the second in the NL Central,
the Brewers are first place, four games up on the Cubs.
The Celtics gave coach Joseph Missoula and extension the NBA's
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Christmas slate. Five games should include Houston at the Lakers,
Dallas at Golden State, three w NBA games tonight, including
New York up in the third quarter fifty two thirty
eight at Dallas for Dallas, Page Beckers out with a
bad back, and for New York Breonna Stewart due to
return in late August from a bow and Bruce in
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her knee. Tommy Fleetwood leads by four strokes in Memphis.
Dustin Johnson tied for the livegolf lead in Chicago with
Sergio Garcia.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
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should be. Three NFL preseason games currently going on. Cleveland
up fourteen to seven. Uh here, yeah, that's darn right,
Alex Tycher to you, there's a new king of Cleveland.
You know, there's a new chosen one in Cleveland. Schador
Sanders two touchdown passes in the first half for the
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Cleveland Browns. We'll talk about that game at about nine
o'clock Eastern time. Also, New England up seventeen. Nothing on
the Washington Commanders. Let me ask you this, Drake May
actually getting a few series for the New England Patriots.
Are you at all surprised? I mean, he's clearly the
starter year two. It is a new coaching staff under
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Mike Vrabel. Are you at all surprised that Drake May
was New England's starter here in their preseason opener.
Speaker 10 (35:31):
No.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
I think.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Mike wants to see for himself what he has and
what he needs to work on. And that's understandable. You
coming in, you're taking over a program, Your expectations are
extremely high. We know that, So what do you bringing
to this, what is this guy?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
What do I have? What did I inherit?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
And so you just want to see him in action,
so you can get to feel yourself as a coach
of of what this feels like.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
And I understand that, I get that.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
What do you think of his year one performance, Drake May,
who of course drafted in that famous class with Jydon
Daniels and all those guys. Sixty seven percent completion percentage,
fifteen touchdowns, ten interceptions on a team that was very
good without very much help around.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
I thought it was silient. I thought he did a
good job. I thought he.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Stepped into an organization and was kind of in disarray,
and they were still in disarray last year. Would have
coached it didn't last very long. And so now we
know the stability and the force that is Mike Rabel,
and I think this would be great for Drake May
(36:46):
coming in and having a real offensive coordinator and just
getting back to the Patriots way right, No more experiment,
Let's just get back to football and and instilling some
of the things that uh, you know, McDaniel's and Vraibel
(37:09):
grew up under Belichick.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
With I'll say this, we're gonna lead next hour with
Shdor Sanders, but he is back in to start the
third quarter.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
You could say whatever you want about whatever. They are
giving him a chance to show what he is capable
of doing.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
They don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
They need to know.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I'm telling you, they really are, Like if Kenny is
not healthy, if you know, of course Dashaun is off
the table. They know Joe Flacco, so they're really trying
to figure out what these three young players. Who's gonna
be the guy who can we go to and who's
gonna warrant a roster spot. The more experience that you
(37:55):
can get, the better you'll be in the regular season.
More experiencing pre season, the better you be in regular season.
I don't care who you going against, choose ones, whatever,
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
So you're impressed. I'm impressed. We do have a listener
who I have a feeling might not be. Rob Parker
has texted Alex tyser W about Shador Sanders' debut. Alex Teischer,
please read this is by the way, this is live
on air, and I have not heard this.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
I don't know. Go ahead.
Speaker 10 (38:29):
So Rob Parker apparently doesn't know he's not on the
clock is texting our group chat religiously seeing that he
is a Magic City guy. I don't know why he's
doing this. So he says, and I quote, apparently Sanders
just won the super Bowl. Too much made out of
a first preseason game. I refuse to be a part
of it. Hashtag Tim Tebow two point zero. I mean
(38:50):
Tim Tebow won games in the regular season. Winn was
won game. What are we talking about?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So I'm saying, yeah, there's probably a good example. There's
probably a lot of good examples of quarterbacks that looked
great in the preseason that never amounted to much. I
don't think Tim Tebow is one of them. But but yeah,
where you say something, Ian.
Speaker 11 (39:10):
I'm just gonna say, I remember Daniel Jones, Like I
remember his first preseason game and being really impressed by it,
and then he just didn't do anything, you know, in
the regular season. That was so high point. That was
yeah the high point.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Well, for a team that doesn't have a quarterback and
hasn't had a quarterback since Bernie Cozar, they gotta be thrilled. Yeah,
this is a viable option. Yep, let's see if this
thing now what they need to do is nurture this
and cultivate it and really pour into it to help
(39:48):
him maximize his abilities. Uh, and what he can do
for this team. If they don't do that, then you know,
and I don't know if they can. They're like we've
seen them, Yeah, they've and they gave up on Baker
Mayfield and he's scorching the earth right now in Tampa.
So I just and I don't know, Man, it is
(40:10):
the Browns.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
It is the Browns. So I'll say this, you know,
if it somehow works out, if he becomes a serviceable
started quarterback, goes down as like one of the great
draft picks of all time. Now, it'll be interesting to
see who takes credit for the draft pick, because of
course Jimmy has them says it wasn't him. But we've
all seen the video of the draft room.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
And it wasn't any of the coaches. I can tell
you that well.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
And I was gonna say they also took Dylan Gabriel
two rounds before. So if they were that fired up
about Shador easily was available in the first round, the
second round, the third round, and the fourth round. Shador
sanders two touchdown passes in the first half. Third quarter
has just started in Carolina. This is the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio aratorus E from salam In for
(40:55):
Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington. We'll come back, We'll continue
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