August 20, 2025 • 30 mins
Former NFL offensive lineman Ephraim Salaam is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin explain why it's not crazy for Von Miller to suggest that Peyton Manning - not Tom Brady - is the greatest quarterback in NFL history, and tell us why it's entirely possible that Patrick Mahomes eventually surpasses both of them.
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Speaker 5 (01:36):
So.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Von Miller had some interesting things to say about some
of the all time great quarterbacks, and a lot of
people think Tom Brady TV twelve is the greatest of
all time, the goat.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Von Miller has something to say about that, you know.
Speaker 6 (01:47):
So there's gonna be a debate between Peyton Manning and
Tom Brady. Who's the best?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know?
Speaker 6 (01:51):
For me, it'll always be Peyton Manning. He changed the
quarterback position from Chicky Chicky.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You know this more than me. You can quarterback from
cheke you check.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
You change the play, come on, Chicken's play changed to
play again, go over top.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He wasn't scrambling and doing all of that stuff. He
did it all with his arm and it was beautiful.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Man.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
And people say the guys are humble, but like Bro,
he's so humble. He knew every single guy in the
facility where it's the janitors, all the coaches. He had
a personal relationship with everybody. He was the first person
and truly the first person in the building.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Whenever you pulled up. You see his music because he
drove for Buick, because he had the Buick deal. I
had a fundraiser event for Bum's vision. He was there, man,
he was. He was all about his guys, all about
his teammates.
Speaker 7 (02:28):
And ringing endorsement for Peyton Manning there. You may be
shocked to hear. What Well, that's why I'm gonna let
you go first. I'm gonna I'm gonna throw it over
to you. You played in the league. You were good
according to Charlie Weiss.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Uh see he said you were good.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
No, I was good enough, man. I had a good career.
It was fun, you know, for someone who came to
football as late as I did. I end up, you know,
having fun and playing in the league a long time alone.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Dorouble did you years long time?
Speaker 7 (03:00):
One hundred and fifty nine games on hundred fifty six
games something like that.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You won. Seriously, you know what I mean? You got
to lead.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's one thing to get there is another thing to
play a handful of is you played fourteen to fifteen
however many years.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
That's remarkable.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
So that being said, this is my take, and I've
always had this take because I was a part of
the era where this was happening. Huh, Vaughan isn't off right,
this isn't crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
I don't think that. And this is why I say that.
I was an offensive lineman offensive side of the ball.
They're both quarterbacks offensive side of the ball. I've played
against Tom Brady a bunch, played against Peyton Manning more
than I would have wanted to Peyton Manning and whatever
team he was the Colts. When we played against Peyton,
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that is the only time the defensive coordinator came into
the offensive ends and told us what we needed to
do to help them stop Peyton. No other quarterback garnered
that level of specialty. No other quarterback could make you
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guess wrong every single play. And I played against him
a bunch. I've been in the division with him, and
Vaughn is right. When he says he changed the quarterback
position because he was the one calling the plays and
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checking out of things, and you thought you had him
the defense would do this, and he wouldn't make you
check out of something into what he wanted you to
check into and then exploit that. And so, for my money,
and I know the accolades didn't follow like it did
with Tom Brady. And I'm not taking any thing from
Tom Brady, okay, but for my money, Tom B Peyton
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Manning was a more feared quarterback than Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I'll say it like that.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I like the way you put that, because at the end,
I think Tom Brady was more feared winner, meaning somehow
he's gonna find a way to win this. But actual
quarterback position in and of itself is different today because
of Tom Brady Peyton. Excuse me, yes, a few examples
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of this. So first, and let me say this. This
is why me and Rob Parker getting arguments about this phrase.
I'm gonna say I think me and you even argued
about this before because it's hard to have these conversations
to me without having the greatest and also the best.
Sometimes they are one of the same, sometimes they're not
to me, and sometimes you can be the better quarterback,
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Peyton Manning, but the greater quarterback is Tom Brady. And
some of that is brother where you land, because there's
a person right now who if he was sitting here,
he probably y'all want to throw my name. And if
we're talking about pure just simple talent throwing the ball,
Dan Marino. But because he wasn't in a situation to
win enough to have the titles, then you kind of
just go, excuse me, Dan, get out the way. But
if you're just talking about pure talent, Dan Marino would
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probably say, hey, don't forget your boy.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Right, there's a handful of other people.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Steve Young might say, hey, don't forget your boy if
you're talking just talent. But Tom Brady wasn't that with Peyton.
He didn't come in with that. Peyton came in with
that expectation you're supposed to be the guy, and after
year or so year and a half he became the
guy pretty much until his neck was broken and the
last year so with the ball. So Peyton Manning to
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me is when I close my eyes and I think
of just quarterback position and I'm drawing it up, who's throwing,
it's him. But because we judge quarterbacks by what wins. More,
we don't judge offensive linemen by wins. We don't drugg safeties, linebackers.
Quarterbacks are the only position in football that plays outside
of coach that we judge on the wins. And this
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is where Tom Brady finding the way to win, the
will to win, the comebacks twenty eight to three, and
he just has the greater story, the greater arc, and
that's to me why he's the greatest quarterback of all time.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
I've lost to Tom Brady up by thirteen with two
and a half minutes left in the game and we
had the ball, like, seriously, got detail.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
How did this happen? It's out of control, man, I
don't need.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And that's what I mean. So it's crazy you feared Peyton.
The duration of the game right zero to sixty minutes.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
The first time the Houston Texans beat the Indianapolis Colts,
I was a part of that for the first time.
And our game plan and this is what I mean
by they came in and told us what we needed
to do. We were just gonna run the ball. Ron
Dayne had one hundred and thirty five yards rushing a
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couple touchdowns. It was third and nine, we're handing the
ball off. So he put the on this on the
offensive line quick passes because they had Dwight Freeney and
Robert Mathis and they'd love to get you behind. And
so they put the onus on us and we just
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ate up time. We won the time of possession. And
Chris Brown the kicker, not the singer. I mean, he
sounded he can play basketball. Didn't know he played for
Chris with the.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
K not a c.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Kick a fifty five yard field goal at the end
of the game on Christmas Eve and the announcer was like,
it's a Christmas miracle. I think that was in two
thousand and seven. And so just being a part of
those level of games and game planning and preparing for
Peyton it for my money, he was the most feared
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quarterback at that time.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Also a couple of other things you're talking about Peyton.
Tom Brady is still I still believe he's to go
the greatest when you encompass everything. But he didn't necessarily
revolutionize the game. No Manning revolutionized Allah Shack. Nobody's saying
Shack's the best ever but sometimes you're talking about the
most dominant ever. You have to give him credit because
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they stopped. You can't do this. We had to change
the rim, put the stanchion up because he's bringing down rims.
You had to have an extra wed in the arena,
but another rim in the arena in case he breaks one.
Like that's crazy. Peyton was doing that revolutionizing game, the
way you mentioned, the way he was calling things at
the line, the way he was changing in audible. Also,
Daggett John Madden Football had to add the quarterback vision,
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and he was the only one whose vision was.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
The entire field. If you remember that.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
That's probably like the O four to five ish era
or something like that. He would be the entire field.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Everybody else will be a slipper or whatever they were.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You know, like if you had Anthony richardson right now,
it would be like, uh, it'd be yeah, it'd be
like a strip of bacon.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
No, he was a dominant, dominant quarterback in a very
scary player to give the ball to. Sure, he just
made you guess wrong. Man, I've seen an offensive lineman
get beat at the snap of the ball and before
he can even get the ball is gone to someone
wide open, and I'm like, how so I want to throw.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Some numbers out here. Those guys kind of how they
went up against each other, all right, So in terms
I had to have matchups. This is Brady all day.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Brady's teams posted an eleven and six record against Manning's teams.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Manning, however, was three and one against Brady in AFC
championship games. Now he won both of those AFC titles.
Matt at games when he was with the Broncos and
Miller played von Miller of course played a role because
listen to his game, he had to get them there.
In twenty fifteen, the man had two and a half
sacks in the interception, five tackles, two for a loss
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in a pass breakup in four quarterback hits.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Yeah, that'll do it.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, that's why he's gonna get a jacket to go
jacket at some point here. So that's interesting. So I
want to open it up. Let's open it up eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox. I believe there are a
handful of people that you could say maybe play the
position better than Tom Brady, And I'm okay with that.
If you said Joe Montana played the position, and I
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argua believe if you said he's the goat, there's like
two or three.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
If you said John Elway was just a better natural
talent than Tom Brady, especially because he could run to
not mad at that. Peyton Manning is in that category
for me as well, and Aaron Rodgers just pure quarterbacking talent.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
They were better at that. I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
But I still believe Tom Brady is the golt goat
when you encompass it all. So that's for me, he
is still the goat despite everything we mentioned, because the
will to win, the finding ways to win comebacks that
didn't make sense seven freaking rings. I mean, he's just
the standard in that regard, But just quarterbacking, I do
believe there are a handful of guys who are better
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at the position, but not the greatest when you campus
at all. Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox is
Von Miller crazy?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Is it? Simply? Tom Brady is the goat. There's no other?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Joe Montana is it? John Elways, Den ma Reno is it?
Peyton Manning is Von Miller? And ain't from believe? Eight
seven seven ninety nine on Fox. I still believe TV
twelve is just the greatest quarterback of all time. I
liking it to Muhammad Ali. Boxing officionados. There's some say
Sugar Ray Robinson. They have a couple other people they
may say better boxer just pure the art of it.
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But when you're talking the greatest all that it encompassed,
it's Muhammad Ali. That's how I viewed Tom Brady eight
seven seven ninety Let me be clarified before the streets
that he ain't Muhammad Ali. As far as the social
justice stuff, let me settle down because people get carried away.
Let me look into the YouTube camera. Settle down, all right.
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Speaker 4 (14:34):
Here we go, suck.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Speaking of telephone, let's get to these phone calls, Ephraim.
So we just had a conversation von Miller, who played
with Peyton with the Broncos. Von Miller said that he
believes Peyton Manning is the goat greatest quarterback of all time.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
TB twelve is one.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You got Joe Montana up there as well handful of
other people. Maybe you want to consider says it is
Peyton Manning just from what you saw going up against him,
being around the day to day, you know, year to year,
I should say, and I said, I totally get that.
I think he played the quarterback position even better than Tom.
But Tom Brady is the greatest. Win encompasses every single thing.
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Like right now, if you told me you have one
game you have to win this between Peyton and Tom,
give me Tom. If you're saying this season I want
to go thirteen and three, give me, Peyton, that's what
you get what I'm saying. It's just that little hair.
It's kind of the Jordan Lebron thing right there, right, Okay,
But I.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
Don't know any scenario where you would say give me
Lebron over Jordan, like I don't. There's not in the
game series. I don't know what that is. We have
full I'll tell you this snare see now you open this. No, no, no,
let's do the people first.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I was ready. I was ready. No no, no, no, seven
seven ninety nine on Fox. All right, let's go out
to Iowa, Nate. In Iowa Nate, you're all with the
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Speaker 9 (16:00):
Tom Brady? Is it post to Bate Manny? I put
all those guys up there. But I mean, if you
watch Tom Brady, and I hate when people say this,
but like the team around him. The one time he
has Randy Moss, he says all sorts of records, he's
the only eighteen to one. Yes, it was a super
role because Tyree makes the catch of his life. But
I think that Tom Brady played the quarterback position better
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than anybody. I think he was the more polished. He
had a much christal throw. He didn't miss those little throws.
And he did everything he's supposed to and that does
credit your offensive line. Don't you know he had a lot,
he had a lot of time to throw the football.
But in my opinion, I still think he's the top.
And then you put everybody else second, third, and fourth.
However you want to go.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
May listen, I'm not mad at you. This is Tom Brady.
We're talking about. Thank you, Nate, appreciate it. Let's go
to New Orleans. Baby, Let's go to MJ and New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
You're over with the ond couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 10 (16:49):
It's going off, it's going on. Oh man, I'm not
have the second on this man. I am going with
my quarter bet babe, man over the Peter tom Bridge.
I'm not gonna do this. He's the great. It's because
of seven law if not seven and oh and he
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didn't have to be seven and oh what those three
video Sampson shifts. You got to discus staff. You gotta
discuss cell phone gate. All that no no mind sign
is the goat.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I'm not that man.
Speaker 10 (17:23):
It's my goat. Four and O beat seven and three.
It beats it every day.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
It's not seventy three is kind of crazy, MJ.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
Like if you just said four and oh, beats five
and two, seven and three is kind of crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
And the two that he lost.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
When you talk about the Giants, Dave Tyree has to
catch it off the helmet and Mario Manningham's gets crazy.
Thank you, MJ. Appreciate it. We'll come get some Beigne's
down in New Orleans again at some point. Let's go
out to Florida. Chris and Florida. You are on with
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Speaker 11 (17:54):
How you guys doing. I appreciate taking my call. If
I sound funny, it's because my MG is chicking in
bad tonight. But you know, I as a as a
Bronco fan, I feared Manning much more than I feared
Tom Brady. But you get paid to win games. The
quarterbacks job is to win games, and you know I
give it to TB as the goat. But let me
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say something. The all time greatest talent I think at
QB that I ever saw John o a drag three
teams to the Super Bowl. And you can't even tell
me who was on any of his teammates where he
came in eyelash from taking a four team. He lost
a heartbreaker in Buffalo and fridgid temperatures by a return
a long return fumble for a touchdown.
Speaker 12 (18:34):
The guy.
Speaker 11 (18:35):
You finally give him a decent o line and a
good running back, average receivers and average defense. And he
went to and Oh, Elway was a study. He could
throw it deep, he could throw it hard, he could run.
Elwi was quite a study. He was a competitor, and
he checked down quite a bit. So I don't think
he gets loved. I don't think he gets enough, but I.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Got to think I think he gets the proper love.
I appreciate it. John, I told you there's like four
guys for me. If you say Joe Montana, I'm not mad.
If you say Tom Brady, clear, I'm not mad. I
you say John l Well, I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
And then that fourth can maybe be a peyton or
if you even you know, maybe for you as Dan Marino.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Just wins aside. That's just the best quarterback I ever seen.
I get that.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Let's go to Massachusetts, Andre Dre, you're onre couple of
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (19:16):
How you doing.
Speaker 12 (19:17):
Thanks for taking the call.
Speaker 13 (19:18):
Listen. I can give Tom Brady the greatest of all time.
But he's not winning by a country miles. All right,
there's others that are right there in this conversation. I
think of the Joe Montanas, I think of the Terry bradshows.
I think it, frankly, the Dan Marinos. If you want
to talk about somebody that did it without having the
system and the infrastructure. Would separate Tom Brady from me.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Though.
Speaker 13 (19:35):
Is the seventh championship that he got with the Tampa
Bay Bucks. Well, he was essentially the general manager. Right
the year before in New England, he was saying, we
need to give Antonio Brown time. You know he's gonna
make mistakes, Bill bel No, No, we got to get
rid of him. You know, he can't be around here.
And what was the results, right, Patrick Boss? The last
game and the Dolphins end up losing the Tech Tennessee
in the first round, and you know him throw an
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interception that the era the Brady errors over. My point
is he was the GM of that team. Broddy Bronkowski,
Brody Antonio Brown, he caught lightning in the bottle for
him to win his seven championship in his forty That's
what distinguishes him.
Speaker 12 (20:09):
But he's the others are.
Speaker 13 (20:10):
Close Montana's, Marino's, Peyton Maine, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I don't think it's a gap. I'm agree with you, Drean.
I don't think whoever you said, I don't think there's like
a huge gap. All right, let's go to Vegas with Tony. Tony,
you're over the odd couple. Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Tony?
Speaker 6 (20:25):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Guys?
Speaker 12 (20:26):
Thanks for taking a call. Hey, listen, listen, man. Anybody
who thinks Tom Brady that anybody, then Tom Brady is delusional.
I'm gonna give you some stats, but before I give
the stack, I want try to do me a favorite
and talk about it when i'm when I'm when I
hang up. Okay, go compare tom Brady's number to Marino,
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to John Alway and to your boy Peyton Manning, and
then talk about what you see. Tom Brady holds the
record for the most passing yards eighty nine thousand, two
hundred fourteen passing touchdown, six hundred forty nine, record season
wins two hundred and fifty one, and seven Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
All right, so, Tony, I'm about to catch you off.
You wanted us, Tony, you wanted us to talk about it, Tony,
thank you for the call. Let me tell you what
we're gonna say. Tom Brady is that guy without a doubt.
But let's not act like he didn't play. He was
sixty three, Okay, he played till he was sixty three.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
And you gotta remember, Tom Brady played long enough to
beat those records that Drew Brees had and Paydon Manning.
So he played three four years longer than those guys
to eclipse those records. So if you look at that
body of work that they had during the same amount
of years that they're played, tom Brady's not close to
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Drew Brees are paid Manny. Just so you understand, Tony,
I get it. The longevity thing, like, no one is
going to eclipse Lebron James's scoring title because he's still
playing in your twenty two.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
And probably gonna average at least twenty two.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Right, and he may play another year, So that's things
gonna get up to fifty thousand points. No one's coming
close to that. But that's that doesn't make him the
greatest player ever in my opinion, it makes him the
great having the greatest career ever, the greatest longevity of
an athlete ever, and those are two different things.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
In my opinion.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
One more real question to California. Well, we are in California.
You go to Chris in California. Chris, you are with
the id couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 10 (22:27):
What's up, guys, Good brother, Good to hear you.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
Brother.
Speaker 10 (22:33):
You was just saying about Tom Brady about his stats.
Speaker 9 (22:36):
He played a long time.
Speaker 10 (22:37):
You got to think about if he actually could get weapons. Bilichick,
he sucked at drafting players.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Did you ain't wrong about that? You know what I wrong
about that?
Speaker 10 (22:45):
Imagine if he was Sean p with a Sean Payton
or with a Andy Reid and actually got weapons.
Speaker 11 (22:51):
So you can't say that right there.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Tom Drew Brees made more seventh round and sixth round
draft pick receivers to top tier receivers than anybody.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, oh yeah, he got a whole list of Listen,
Peyton had all the receivers.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, if Peyton didn't have nothing, he had some receivers,
and he had Edrian James for a gang of years
as well. But but to you know, when you're looking
at what TV twelve was even able to do, you
got to look at the other side of the all,
Peyton feels like, man, if I had a better defense
a handful of years, I would have won some rings,
more rings. So it's you're never gonna have the perfect team,
you know what I mean? Because Tom would imagine he
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wanted some more weapons, but he always had a great
special teams and a really good defenses. And then Peyton
always had good offenses, was struggling on the defensive end.
So otherwise somebody would run off seven straight if they
had the perfect team. Like that, great conversation, appreciate it.
If I do want to throw one more at you.
As week before we get to Monci, we named a
bunch of guys we all kind of agree they're right
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all in that mix whoever you want to choose, whatever
you're liking is. But where is Patrick Mahomes and all this?
I want you to answer that. On the other side,
if we have a shot in all of this, Mancey
is gonna get a set on what's trending MONSI.
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Speaker 3 (24:14):
Patrick Mahomes probably halfway mark of his career. He can,
you know, have another eight, nine, ten years. Where is
he in all of this? I think he's nipping at
the heels. I think he has the ability to surpass
even Tom Brady. You know, as long as Andy Reid
and he sticked together. The defense billed him out last year,
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for sure, he has to recover.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Like last year was a down year for him, even
though they were fifteen and two. It surely wasn't because
of him and so, and that's to be expected. He's
played a lot of football. They've been in a lot
of Super Bowls, a lot of NFC Championship games pretty
much his whole career, even when he didn't start, but
even when he was on the bench, they were playing
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like that with Alex Smith. So he went to the
right situation, the right program, and they're maximizing that. I
look for him to have a bounce back year. They
shored up that offensive line, took care of my guy
Big Tray, and brought some pieces in there. So I'm
looking for Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes to bounce back.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Now.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
You know, I think he's clearly one of the if
not the top quarterback in the league. Now, other quarterbacks
bring a little other dimension in terms of running. With
Lamar and Josh they have something else. But Patrick Mahomes
is a murderer with that football man. Yeah, he'll cut
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your head off.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
And he I think the adds to the allure of
it all is too Sometimes. I talk about this all
the time when Rob and I are going at different conversations.
Sometimes it isn't just numbers. Sometimes it even even just wins.
Sometimes it's something has to be magical. Right if Jordan
had all the same numbers and that, but he was
Tim Duncan, like you kind of view it a little different.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, right, But he was balled.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
He had to, you know, early on the chain when
he was doing dump contests and he's got the bag
of your shorts, he's ball head. He's got the tongue
on like all of these things in his layup package
was something we'd never seen before. He if he was
doing the same effectiveness but just normal layups, you'd be like, okay,
it's the asset. It just was something unique. I mentioned
Muhammad Ali. There been dozens of great fighters, but his style,
(26:29):
the dancing, the talking, smack in the ring out the
ring and just his something to it. He had the face,
he had the looks. It was just sometimes to me,
you have to have that. Patrick Mahomes kind of came
in with that. He had the haircut, He's throwing behind
the back passes, throwing left handed passes cross the body
of the looks. It was just like, Okay, not only
are you good, but you're making it fun to watch
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as well. And I think sometimes you know, that has
to be an element to it as well. And Lennox Lewis,
nobody likes to bring him up because it was just
kind of boring.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Jab jab jab and I won the fight. Mike Tyson
was taking heads off.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, so you think highly of him when in reality,
I don't know, maybe Lennox Lewis was. I mean, I
know they fought, but maybe even if they fought when
pre Mike Tyson going to prison, maybe Lennox low still
wins because he was just maybe a better fighter. But
you think highly of Mike because the aesthetics of it
all as well set out that to say, I think
that's another thing that bodes well for Patrick Mahomes. Those
first five years or so, it was a blast to
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just watch him play. Oh yeah, must see TV. You
never knew what you were about to see. And I
think that plays a role into it too. But yeah,
he's got a shot, though he absolutely has to shot.
Now what he has to avoid or or replicate that
Tom Brady had, So he either has to avoid it
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or he's gonna have to do it. Tom didn't have
that and didn't have another run of like, I don't
see him having a lull. That's why I put him
up there. That's why, because you know, look, they're gonna
get that thing right. It's a well run organization, and
so it's.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I don't see there. They draft better.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Than the Belichick and and and the Patriots did, So
I think he has an opportunity to really do something
special and I'm here for it. The excitement of that
and where we are quarterback wise in this league. I
played in, in my opinion, the greatest era of quarterbacks
with all the aforementioned Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, all right,
(28:31):
Philip Rivers, Philip Rivers.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
So it was it was NonStop, like you were yeah, man,
hold on me.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
That's that's the sweet, sweet era of of because that's
why the league became a passing league, right, that became
It became a passing league because of these great quarterbacks
and their ability to just shred defenses and take control
over offenses. So we're in the dynamic era now then,
(28:57):
oh yeah, if that was a passing era, we're in
the dynam's it's we're in the Oh cool, I didn't
know y'all had another offensive lineman. No, that's our quarterback,
Josh Allen, Like, you know, what is this six six
ginormous running over people but can pass, but can just
jump through people like Superman.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
I mean, then Lamar Jackson is phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Jalen hurts his passing just when you're you're out on
the passing for him. He outplays Patrick Mahomes and through
the air in two Super Bowls and lost one. But
and so we're in this just we're in a good space,
right Chick Mahomes as we mentioned there too, Bo Knicks
get out there. Had four hundred plus yards rushing as well.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
Yeah, and the quarterback class coming up this year to
see what they can do and then next year. So
the NFL is in a good spot. Quarterback position, in
a quarterback lead is in the league, is in a
good spot.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Hey Daniels, Shoot, oh man, we got some CJ. Strauss.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
We got one last dinosaur who's having as having a
really nice career and still what's more, he left to
be desired. If you're asking him, that would be Jared
Goff kind of just I just be there. Yeah, I
just don't ask me to run. Matthew Stafford same way.
Matthew Stafford adn't run at this no one.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
But I only didn't mention him because he's older.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I was saying like this, Yeah, I get younger matth
Staffords almost for Izzy forty almost forty, so thirty seven.
So yeah, I'm thinking more of the younger guys because
I can't. Is there anyone else who's just I'm a
statue when I pass?
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Yeah, those days of looking for that guy, because even
justin Herbert, he'll get out there and move, he's got to.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
I don't think there's any a great running quarterback at
Oregon too, like he would take off and give it
to you.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Lamar Jackson is the best player in football though, of course,
of course, and this goes to the conversation. Yet, if
you said it was third and six, who am I
giving the ball to anybody in the NFL give the
ball to Patrick Mahomes.
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Speaker 5 (01:36):
So.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Von Miller had some interesting things to say about some
of the all time great quarterbacks, and a lot of
people think Tom Brady TV twelve is the greatest of
all time, the goat.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Von Miller has something to say about that, you know.
Speaker 6 (01:47):
So there's gonna be a debate between Peyton Manning and
Tom Brady. Who's the best?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know?
Speaker 6 (01:51):
For me, it'll always be Peyton Manning. He changed the
quarterback position from Chicky Chicky.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You know this more than me. You can quarterback from
cheke you check.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
You change the play, come on, Chicken's play changed to
play again, go over top.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He wasn't scrambling and doing all of that stuff. He
did it all with his arm and it was beautiful.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Man.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
And people say the guys are humble, but like Bro,
he's so humble. He knew every single guy in the
facility where it's the janitors, all the coaches. He had
a personal relationship with everybody. He was the first person
and truly the first person in the building.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Whenever you pulled up. You see his music because he
drove for Buick, because he had the Buick deal. I
had a fundraiser event for Bum's vision. He was there, man,
he was. He was all about his guys, all about
his teammates.
Speaker 7 (02:28):
And ringing endorsement for Peyton Manning there. You may be
shocked to hear. What Well, that's why I'm gonna let
you go first. I'm gonna I'm gonna throw it over
to you. You played in the league. You were good
according to Charlie Weiss.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Uh see he said you were good.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
No, I was good enough, man. I had a good career.
It was fun, you know, for someone who came to
football as late as I did. I end up, you know,
having fun and playing in the league a long time alone.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Dorouble did you years long time?
Speaker 7 (03:00):
One hundred and fifty nine games on hundred fifty six
games something like that.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You won. Seriously, you know what I mean? You got
to lead.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's one thing to get there is another thing to
play a handful of is you played fourteen to fifteen
however many years.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
That's remarkable.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
So that being said, this is my take, and I've
always had this take because I was a part of
the era where this was happening. Huh, Vaughan isn't off right,
this isn't crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
I don't think that. And this is why I say that.
I was an offensive lineman offensive side of the ball.
They're both quarterbacks offensive side of the ball. I've played
against Tom Brady a bunch, played against Peyton Manning more
than I would have wanted to Peyton Manning and whatever
team he was the Colts. When we played against Peyton,
(03:52):
that is the only time the defensive coordinator came into
the offensive ends and told us what we needed to
do to help them stop Peyton. No other quarterback garnered
that level of specialty. No other quarterback could make you
(04:20):
guess wrong every single play. And I played against him
a bunch. I've been in the division with him, and
Vaughn is right. When he says he changed the quarterback
position because he was the one calling the plays and
(04:40):
checking out of things, and you thought you had him
the defense would do this, and he wouldn't make you
check out of something into what he wanted you to
check into and then exploit that. And so, for my money,
and I know the accolades didn't follow like it did
with Tom Brady. And I'm not taking any thing from
Tom Brady, okay, but for my money, Tom B Peyton
(05:05):
Manning was a more feared quarterback than Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I'll say it like that.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I like the way you put that, because at the end,
I think Tom Brady was more feared winner, meaning somehow
he's gonna find a way to win this. But actual
quarterback position in and of itself is different today because
of Tom Brady Peyton. Excuse me, yes, a few examples
(05:32):
of this. So first, and let me say this. This
is why me and Rob Parker getting arguments about this phrase.
I'm gonna say I think me and you even argued
about this before because it's hard to have these conversations
to me without having the greatest and also the best.
Sometimes they are one of the same, sometimes they're not
to me, and sometimes you can be the better quarterback,
(05:53):
Peyton Manning, but the greater quarterback is Tom Brady. And
some of that is brother where you land, because there's
a person right now who if he was sitting here,
he probably y'all want to throw my name. And if
we're talking about pure just simple talent throwing the ball,
Dan Marino. But because he wasn't in a situation to
win enough to have the titles, then you kind of
just go, excuse me, Dan, get out the way. But
if you're just talking about pure talent, Dan Marino would
(06:16):
probably say, hey, don't forget your boy.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Right, there's a handful of other people.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Steve Young might say, hey, don't forget your boy if
you're talking just talent. But Tom Brady wasn't that with Peyton.
He didn't come in with that. Peyton came in with
that expectation you're supposed to be the guy, and after
year or so year and a half he became the
guy pretty much until his neck was broken and the
last year so with the ball. So Peyton Manning to
(06:40):
me is when I close my eyes and I think
of just quarterback position and I'm drawing it up, who's throwing,
it's him. But because we judge quarterbacks by what wins. More,
we don't judge offensive linemen by wins. We don't drugg safeties, linebackers.
Quarterbacks are the only position in football that plays outside
of coach that we judge on the wins. And this
(07:02):
is where Tom Brady finding the way to win, the
will to win, the comebacks twenty eight to three, and
he just has the greater story, the greater arc, and
that's to me why he's the greatest quarterback of all time.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
I've lost to Tom Brady up by thirteen with two
and a half minutes left in the game and we
had the ball, like, seriously, got detail.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
How did this happen? It's out of control, man, I
don't need.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And that's what I mean. So it's crazy you feared Peyton.
The duration of the game right zero to sixty minutes.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
The first time the Houston Texans beat the Indianapolis Colts,
I was a part of that for the first time.
And our game plan and this is what I mean
by they came in and told us what we needed
to do. We were just gonna run the ball. Ron
Dayne had one hundred and thirty five yards rushing a
(07:56):
couple touchdowns. It was third and nine, we're handing the
ball off. So he put the on this on the
offensive line quick passes because they had Dwight Freeney and
Robert Mathis and they'd love to get you behind. And
so they put the onus on us and we just
(08:16):
ate up time. We won the time of possession. And
Chris Brown the kicker, not the singer. I mean, he
sounded he can play basketball. Didn't know he played for
Chris with the.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
K not a c.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Kick a fifty five yard field goal at the end
of the game on Christmas Eve and the announcer was like,
it's a Christmas miracle. I think that was in two
thousand and seven. And so just being a part of
those level of games and game planning and preparing for
Peyton it for my money, he was the most feared
(08:52):
quarterback at that time.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Also a couple of other things you're talking about Peyton.
Tom Brady is still I still believe he's to go
the greatest when you encompass everything. But he didn't necessarily
revolutionize the game. No Manning revolutionized Allah Shack. Nobody's saying
Shack's the best ever but sometimes you're talking about the
most dominant ever. You have to give him credit because
(09:15):
they stopped. You can't do this. We had to change
the rim, put the stanchion up because he's bringing down rims.
You had to have an extra wed in the arena,
but another rim in the arena in case he breaks one.
Like that's crazy. Peyton was doing that revolutionizing game, the
way you mentioned, the way he was calling things at
the line, the way he was changing in audible. Also,
Daggett John Madden Football had to add the quarterback vision,
(09:36):
and he was the only one whose vision was.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
The entire field. If you remember that.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
That's probably like the O four to five ish era
or something like that. He would be the entire field.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Everybody else will be a slipper or whatever they were.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You know, like if you had Anthony richardson right now,
it would be like, uh, it'd be yeah, it'd be
like a strip of bacon.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
No, he was a dominant, dominant quarterback in a very
scary player to give the ball to. Sure, he just
made you guess wrong. Man, I've seen an offensive lineman
get beat at the snap of the ball and before
he can even get the ball is gone to someone
wide open, and I'm like, how so I want to throw.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Some numbers out here. Those guys kind of how they
went up against each other, all right, So in terms
I had to have matchups. This is Brady all day.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Brady's teams posted an eleven and six record against Manning's teams.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Manning, however, was three and one against Brady in AFC
championship games. Now he won both of those AFC titles.
Matt at games when he was with the Broncos and
Miller played von Miller of course played a role because
listen to his game, he had to get them there.
In twenty fifteen, the man had two and a half
sacks in the interception, five tackles, two for a loss
(10:53):
in a pass breakup in four quarterback hits.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Yeah, that'll do it.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, that's why he's gonna get a jacket to go
jacket at some point here. So that's interesting. So I
want to open it up. Let's open it up eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox. I believe there are a
handful of people that you could say maybe play the
position better than Tom Brady, And I'm okay with that.
If you said Joe Montana played the position, and I
(11:18):
argua believe if you said he's the goat, there's like
two or three.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
If you said John Elway was just a better natural
talent than Tom Brady, especially because he could run to
not mad at that. Peyton Manning is in that category
for me as well, and Aaron Rodgers just pure quarterbacking talent.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
They were better at that. I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
But I still believe Tom Brady is the golt goat
when you encompass it all. So that's for me, he
is still the goat despite everything we mentioned, because the
will to win, the finding ways to win comebacks that
didn't make sense seven freaking rings. I mean, he's just
the standard in that regard, But just quarterbacking, I do
believe there are a handful of guys who are better
(11:58):
at the position, but not the greatest when you campus
at all. Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox is
Von Miller crazy?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Is it? Simply? Tom Brady is the goat. There's no other?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Joe Montana is it? John Elways, Den ma Reno is it?
Peyton Manning is Von Miller? And ain't from believe? Eight
seven seven ninety nine on Fox. I still believe TV
twelve is just the greatest quarterback of all time. I
liking it to Muhammad Ali. Boxing officionados. There's some say
Sugar Ray Robinson. They have a couple other people they
may say better boxer just pure the art of it.
(12:30):
But when you're talking the greatest all that it encompassed,
it's Muhammad Ali. That's how I viewed Tom Brady eight
seven seven ninety Let me be clarified before the streets
that he ain't Muhammad Ali. As far as the social
justice stuff, let me settle down because people get carried away.
Let me look into the YouTube camera. Settle down, all right.
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Speaker 3 (14:38):
Speaking of telephone, let's get to these phone calls, Ephraim.
So we just had a conversation von Miller, who played
with Peyton with the Broncos. Von Miller said that he
believes Peyton Manning is the goat greatest quarterback of all time.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
TB twelve is one.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You got Joe Montana up there as well handful of
other people. Maybe you want to consider says it is
Peyton Manning just from what you saw going up against him,
being around the day to day, you know, year to year,
I should say, and I said, I totally get that.
I think he played the quarterback position even better than Tom.
But Tom Brady is the greatest. Win encompasses every single thing.
(15:15):
Like right now, if you told me you have one
game you have to win this between Peyton and Tom,
give me Tom. If you're saying this season I want
to go thirteen and three, give me, Peyton, that's what
you get what I'm saying. It's just that little hair.
It's kind of the Jordan Lebron thing right there, right, Okay,
But I.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
Don't know any scenario where you would say give me
Lebron over Jordan, like I don't. There's not in the
game series. I don't know what that is. We have
full I'll tell you this snare see now you open this. No, no, no,
let's do the people first.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I was ready. I was ready. No no, no, no, seven
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Speaker 9 (16:00):
Tom Brady? Is it post to Bate Manny? I put
all those guys up there. But I mean, if you
watch Tom Brady, and I hate when people say this,
but like the team around him. The one time he
has Randy Moss, he says all sorts of records, he's
the only eighteen to one. Yes, it was a super
role because Tyree makes the catch of his life. But
I think that Tom Brady played the quarterback position better
(16:20):
than anybody. I think he was the more polished. He
had a much christal throw. He didn't miss those little throws.
And he did everything he's supposed to and that does
credit your offensive line. Don't you know he had a lot,
he had a lot of time to throw the football.
But in my opinion, I still think he's the top.
And then you put everybody else second, third, and fourth.
However you want to go.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
May listen, I'm not mad at you. This is Tom Brady.
We're talking about. Thank you, Nate, appreciate it. Let's go
to New Orleans. Baby, Let's go to MJ and New Orleans.
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Speaker 10 (16:49):
It's going off, it's going on. Oh man, I'm not
have the second on this man. I am going with
my quarter bet babe, man over the Peter tom Bridge.
I'm not gonna do this. He's the great. It's because
of seven law if not seven and oh and he
(17:11):
didn't have to be seven and oh what those three
video Sampson shifts. You got to discus staff. You gotta
discuss cell phone gate. All that no no mind sign
is the goat.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I'm not that man.
Speaker 10 (17:23):
It's my goat. Four and O beat seven and three.
It beats it every day.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
It's not seventy three is kind of crazy, MJ.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
Like if you just said four and oh, beats five
and two, seven and three is kind of crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
And the two that he lost.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
When you talk about the Giants, Dave Tyree has to
catch it off the helmet and Mario Manningham's gets crazy.
Thank you, MJ. Appreciate it. We'll come get some Beigne's
down in New Orleans again at some point. Let's go
out to Florida. Chris and Florida. You are on with
the ocauple Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (17:54):
How you guys doing. I appreciate taking my call. If
I sound funny, it's because my MG is chicking in
bad tonight. But you know, I as a as a
Bronco fan, I feared Manning much more than I feared
Tom Brady. But you get paid to win games. The
quarterbacks job is to win games, and you know I
give it to TB as the goat. But let me
(18:15):
say something. The all time greatest talent I think at
QB that I ever saw John o a drag three
teams to the Super Bowl. And you can't even tell
me who was on any of his teammates where he
came in eyelash from taking a four team. He lost
a heartbreaker in Buffalo and fridgid temperatures by a return
a long return fumble for a touchdown.
Speaker 12 (18:34):
The guy.
Speaker 11 (18:35):
You finally give him a decent o line and a
good running back, average receivers and average defense. And he
went to and Oh, Elway was a study. He could
throw it deep, he could throw it hard, he could run.
Elwi was quite a study. He was a competitor, and
he checked down quite a bit. So I don't think
he gets loved. I don't think he gets enough, but I.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Got to think I think he gets the proper love.
I appreciate it. John, I told you there's like four
guys for me. If you say Joe Montana, I'm not mad.
If you say Tom Brady, clear, I'm not mad. I
you say John l Well, I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
And then that fourth can maybe be a peyton or
if you even you know, maybe for you as Dan Marino.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Just wins aside. That's just the best quarterback I ever seen.
I get that.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Let's go to Massachusetts, Andre Dre, you're onre couple of
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (19:16):
How you doing.
Speaker 12 (19:17):
Thanks for taking the call.
Speaker 13 (19:18):
Listen. I can give Tom Brady the greatest of all time.
But he's not winning by a country miles. All right,
there's others that are right there in this conversation. I
think of the Joe Montanas, I think of the Terry bradshows.
I think it, frankly, the Dan Marinos. If you want
to talk about somebody that did it without having the
system and the infrastructure. Would separate Tom Brady from me.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Though.
Speaker 13 (19:35):
Is the seventh championship that he got with the Tampa
Bay Bucks. Well, he was essentially the general manager. Right
the year before in New England, he was saying, we
need to give Antonio Brown time. You know he's gonna
make mistakes, Bill bel No, No, we got to get
rid of him. You know, he can't be around here.
And what was the results, right, Patrick Boss? The last
game and the Dolphins end up losing the Tech Tennessee
in the first round, and you know him throw an
(19:56):
interception that the era the Brady errors over. My point
is he was the GM of that team. Broddy Bronkowski,
Brody Antonio Brown, he caught lightning in the bottle for
him to win his seven championship in his forty That's
what distinguishes him.
Speaker 12 (20:09):
But he's the others are.
Speaker 13 (20:10):
Close Montana's, Marino's, Peyton Maine, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I don't think it's a gap. I'm agree with you, Drean.
I don't think whoever you said, I don't think there's like
a huge gap. All right, let's go to Vegas with Tony. Tony,
you're over the odd couple. Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Tony?
Speaker 6 (20:25):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Guys?
Speaker 12 (20:26):
Thanks for taking a call. Hey, listen, listen, man. Anybody
who thinks Tom Brady that anybody, then Tom Brady is delusional.
I'm gonna give you some stats, but before I give
the stack, I want try to do me a favorite
and talk about it when i'm when I'm when I
hang up. Okay, go compare tom Brady's number to Marino,
(20:48):
to John Alway and to your boy Peyton Manning, and
then talk about what you see. Tom Brady holds the
record for the most passing yards eighty nine thousand, two
hundred fourteen passing touchdown, six hundred forty nine, record season
wins two hundred and fifty one, and seven Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
All right, so, Tony, I'm about to catch you off.
You wanted us, Tony, you wanted us to talk about it, Tony,
thank you for the call. Let me tell you what
we're gonna say. Tom Brady is that guy without a doubt.
But let's not act like he didn't play. He was
sixty three, Okay, he played till he was sixty three.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
And you gotta remember, Tom Brady played long enough to
beat those records that Drew Brees had and Paydon Manning.
So he played three four years longer than those guys
to eclipse those records. So if you look at that
body of work that they had during the same amount
of years that they're played, tom Brady's not close to
(21:44):
Drew Brees are paid Manny. Just so you understand, Tony,
I get it. The longevity thing, like, no one is
going to eclipse Lebron James's scoring title because he's still
playing in your twenty two.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
And probably gonna average at least twenty two.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Right, and he may play another year, So that's things
gonna get up to fifty thousand points. No one's coming
close to that. But that's that doesn't make him the
greatest player ever in my opinion, it makes him the
great having the greatest career ever, the greatest longevity of
an athlete ever, and those are two different things.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
In my opinion.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
One more real question to California. Well, we are in California.
You go to Chris in California. Chris, you are with
the id couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 10 (22:27):
What's up, guys, Good brother, Good to hear you.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
Brother.
Speaker 10 (22:33):
You was just saying about Tom Brady about his stats.
Speaker 9 (22:36):
He played a long time.
Speaker 10 (22:37):
You got to think about if he actually could get weapons. Bilichick,
he sucked at drafting players.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Did you ain't wrong about that? You know what I wrong
about that?
Speaker 10 (22:45):
Imagine if he was Sean p with a Sean Payton
or with a Andy Reid and actually got weapons.
Speaker 11 (22:51):
So you can't say that right there.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Tom Drew Brees made more seventh round and sixth round
draft pick receivers to top tier receivers than anybody.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, oh yeah, he got a whole list of Listen,
Peyton had all the receivers.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, if Peyton didn't have nothing, he had some receivers,
and he had Edrian James for a gang of years
as well. But but to you know, when you're looking
at what TV twelve was even able to do, you
got to look at the other side of the all,
Peyton feels like, man, if I had a better defense
a handful of years, I would have won some rings,
more rings. So it's you're never gonna have the perfect team,
you know what I mean? Because Tom would imagine he
(23:28):
wanted some more weapons, but he always had a great
special teams and a really good defenses. And then Peyton
always had good offenses, was struggling on the defensive end.
So otherwise somebody would run off seven straight if they
had the perfect team. Like that, great conversation, appreciate it.
If I do want to throw one more at you.
As week before we get to Monci, we named a
bunch of guys we all kind of agree they're right
(23:49):
all in that mix whoever you want to choose, whatever
you're liking is. But where is Patrick Mahomes and all this?
I want you to answer that. On the other side,
if we have a shot in all of this, Mancey
is gonna get a set on what's trending MONSI.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
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Speaker 3 (24:14):
Patrick Mahomes probably halfway mark of his career. He can,
you know, have another eight, nine, ten years. Where is
he in all of this? I think he's nipping at
the heels. I think he has the ability to surpass
even Tom Brady. You know, as long as Andy Reid
and he sticked together. The defense billed him out last year,
(24:35):
for sure, he has to recover.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Like last year was a down year for him, even
though they were fifteen and two. It surely wasn't because
of him and so, and that's to be expected. He's
played a lot of football. They've been in a lot
of Super Bowls, a lot of NFC Championship games pretty
much his whole career, even when he didn't start, but
even when he was on the bench, they were playing
(24:58):
like that with Alex Smith. So he went to the
right situation, the right program, and they're maximizing that. I
look for him to have a bounce back year. They
shored up that offensive line, took care of my guy
Big Tray, and brought some pieces in there. So I'm
looking for Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes to bounce back.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Now.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
You know, I think he's clearly one of the if
not the top quarterback in the league. Now, other quarterbacks
bring a little other dimension in terms of running. With
Lamar and Josh they have something else. But Patrick Mahomes
is a murderer with that football man. Yeah, he'll cut
(25:42):
your head off.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
And he I think the adds to the allure of
it all is too Sometimes. I talk about this all
the time when Rob and I are going at different conversations.
Sometimes it isn't just numbers. Sometimes it even even just wins.
Sometimes it's something has to be magical. Right if Jordan
had all the same numbers and that, but he was
Tim Duncan, like you kind of view it a little different.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, right, But he was balled.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
He had to, you know, early on the chain when
he was doing dump contests and he's got the bag
of your shorts, he's ball head. He's got the tongue
on like all of these things in his layup package
was something we'd never seen before. He if he was
doing the same effectiveness but just normal layups, you'd be like, okay,
it's the asset. It just was something unique. I mentioned
Muhammad Ali. There been dozens of great fighters, but his style,
(26:29):
the dancing, the talking, smack in the ring out the
ring and just his something to it. He had the face,
he had the looks. It was just sometimes to me,
you have to have that. Patrick Mahomes kind of came
in with that. He had the haircut, He's throwing behind
the back passes, throwing left handed passes cross the body
of the looks. It was just like, Okay, not only
are you good, but you're making it fun to watch
(26:49):
as well. And I think sometimes you know, that has
to be an element to it as well. And Lennox Lewis,
nobody likes to bring him up because it was just
kind of boring.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Jab jab jab and I won the fight. Mike Tyson
was taking heads off.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, so you think highly of him when in reality,
I don't know, maybe Lennox Lewis was. I mean, I
know they fought, but maybe even if they fought when
pre Mike Tyson going to prison, maybe Lennox low still
wins because he was just maybe a better fighter. But
you think highly of Mike because the aesthetics of it
all as well set out that to say, I think
that's another thing that bodes well for Patrick Mahomes. Those
first five years or so, it was a blast to
(27:22):
just watch him play. Oh yeah, must see TV. You
never knew what you were about to see. And I
think that plays a role into it too. But yeah,
he's got a shot, though he absolutely has to shot.
Now what he has to avoid or or replicate that
Tom Brady had, So he either has to avoid it
(27:44):
or he's gonna have to do it. Tom didn't have
that and didn't have another run of like, I don't
see him having a lull. That's why I put him
up there. That's why, because you know, look, they're gonna
get that thing right. It's a well run organization, and
so it's.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I don't see there. They draft better.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Than the Belichick and and and the Patriots did, So
I think he has an opportunity to really do something
special and I'm here for it. The excitement of that
and where we are quarterback wise in this league. I
played in, in my opinion, the greatest era of quarterbacks
with all the aforementioned Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, all right,
(28:31):
Philip Rivers, Philip Rivers.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
So it was it was NonStop, like you were yeah, man,
hold on me.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
That's that's the sweet, sweet era of of because that's
why the league became a passing league, right, that became
It became a passing league because of these great quarterbacks
and their ability to just shred defenses and take control
over offenses. So we're in the dynamic era now then,
(28:57):
oh yeah, if that was a passing era, we're in
the dynam's it's we're in the Oh cool, I didn't
know y'all had another offensive lineman. No, that's our quarterback,
Josh Allen, Like, you know, what is this six six
ginormous running over people but can pass, but can just
jump through people like Superman.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
I mean, then Lamar Jackson is phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Jalen hurts his passing just when you're you're out on
the passing for him. He outplays Patrick Mahomes and through
the air in two Super Bowls and lost one. But
and so we're in this just we're in a good space,
right Chick Mahomes as we mentioned there too, Bo Knicks
get out there. Had four hundred plus yards rushing as well.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
Yeah, and the quarterback class coming up this year to
see what they can do and then next year. So
the NFL is in a good spot. Quarterback position, in
a quarterback lead is in the league, is in a
good spot.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Hey Daniels, Shoot, oh man, we got some CJ. Strauss.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
We got one last dinosaur who's having as having a
really nice career and still what's more, he left to
be desired. If you're asking him, that would be Jared
Goff kind of just I just be there. Yeah, I
just don't ask me to run. Matthew Stafford same way.
Matthew Stafford adn't run at this no one.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
But I only didn't mention him because he's older.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I was saying like this, Yeah, I get younger matth
Staffords almost for Izzy forty almost forty, so thirty seven.
So yeah, I'm thinking more of the younger guys because
I can't. Is there anyone else who's just I'm a
statue when I pass?
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Yeah, those days of looking for that guy, because even
justin Herbert, he'll get out there and move, he's got to.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
I don't think there's any a great running quarterback at
Oregon too, like he would take off and give it
to you.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Lamar Jackson is the best player in football though, of course,
of course, and this goes to the conversation. Yet, if
you said it was third and six, who am I
giving the ball to anybody in the NFL give the
ball to Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
There in lines of difference right there
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