September 12, 2025 • 33 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us what Canelo Alvarez has to gain by taking this fight against Terence Crawford, debate if the latest developments coming out of Cleveland prove that Shedeur Sanders just a starting-caliber NFL quarterback and argue whether Rob Gronkowski is wrong when he says that the Philadelphia Eagles have proven that the Kansas City Chiefs will fold if you punch them in the mouth.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Rob Gene.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It was a story that came out today or was
it earlier today? Yeah, about Chador Sanders. And this was
interesting for all the people who bought us just Shador
Sanders jerseys, Browns jerseys.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
You mean Barry Sanders, Yeah, Barry Sanders Sanders.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
After reading this story, I'm figuring that they could wear
the jersey with their Baller Big Baller brand.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
That's neverloss.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Those two go together now loggy at least appairly, that's
what it sounded like for me.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yet it's not looking good if you're a shaduor Sanders
fan right now, because, as you guys know, it's been
well reported that he ended up being the QB three
in Cleveland right after they traded away Kenny Pickett. Dylan
Gabriel was instilled at the backup. Schaduur was at number three,
which meant that they could prevent him from going to
the practice squad and getting claimed for another team. But
more than anything, the reason why you have a guy
(01:27):
your third string quarterback historically is so that he can
run your scout team.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
He's gonna get reps upon reps upon reps.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
It might not be your system, but he's getting live
reps in practice that he wouldn't ordinarily get as the backup. Well,
on Thursday, reporters in Cleveland notice that hey, this week
they're preparing for the Baltimore Ravens and newcomer Bailey Zappi,
he's only been here about two weeks, is running the scout.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Team Bailey's and Queam Zappi.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
According to at least one reporter, shaduor Sander did not
take a single rep in any team drill whatsoever. Well,
once that became a talking point, reporters asked Bill Musgrave
about it, and here's how he justified Shador not getting
scouting reps.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah, I'd say it's a little bit, it's a little
bit different, and it's it's exciting because those guys do
take pride in getting the defense ready. They want to
do a good job of replicating the opponent's offense, and
at the same time, they want to try to relate
any play that they get to our game plan for
that week too, so they can feel like they can
get a little double duty there.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
All right, there's the explanation. Does it make sense to you,
because none of it makes sense to me. But you know,
I haven't really understood what they've been doing since the
beginning of this. I mean, I do, well, would you
like to go?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well, I just they they're telling you without telling you
that they don't view him as a starting quarterback in
the NFL. I mean, what else could it be if
you really thought you had something, even a diamond in
a row of why wouldn't you give him some reps?
They wouldn't give him reps during the preseason right camp,
(03:07):
they wouldn't give the reps there with the first team.
They didn't give him reps during training camp. Like, like what,
it doesn't make sense? It does it hurt you to
give somebody reps? Is at the end of the world.
To give them some first team reps with the first team.
I don't understand it. To hold on to a guy
that obviously you don't believe really is going to be
(03:31):
a starting quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
See, that's why I jump in and say, and I
totally get what you're saying, Like because just on the optics,
if you fail from Mars and I told you what
was happening, you'd be like, oh, they must not like
the guy. But what makes it strength? A few things
make it strength For me? Still round, like why won't
they release them? And maybe it's coming, maybe you know
two three, four weeks from now he does?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Who knows? But maybe can I give you one reason?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You hold on to him and wait for somebody to
get hurt, like a quarterback or some situation, and then
he becomes a little more valuable.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Well, you're making him unvaluable while you keep you keep
demoting him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And he's not this Alex Third, which wasn't.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
But there's always some one man's chicken is another man's gumbo.
I mean, like you know what I'm saying, Like, he's
still the unknown, right, but I holding onto that one
preseason game that dangle out there.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
For you ignore the other one.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
Yes, uh So one reason why I say that is
I'm glad you brought that up from an outside looking
in everything we're we hear he's supposed to be doing
as far as he's good in practice. We had the
coach come out, Oh man Keve Svanski, Oh he's he's
just a great guy. I love this kid. GM's come out.
Some of the older Vets have come out braved about right.
But I'm saying, so check it might even mad at that.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Check. They've said that we.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
Saw him in the preseason game when he actually had
players who might be in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
He looked good, in fact, he looked really good.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Then we saw him with a bunch of guys who
are about to be working at All State Insurance in
a minute, and he looked bad, which a lot of
guys might. And so my thing is, and he's done
what he's supposed to do to be in a position now.
The way things work, we know in the NFL, Dylan
Gabriel is our third round pick, and they're too close
neck and neck. We're going with our third round pick.
I'm not even mad at that. No, if you're neck
(05:14):
and neck, that's what they're what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
If you really believe that he's better I've given you
plenty of examples. You could skip over Dylan Gabriel if
you door's real.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
That's what I'm saying. He would have had to been
headed up, shoulders above him.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
He wasn't.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Dylan Gabriel looked really good his game out there in
the preseason. So if I picked you, I feel you're
a little older, maybe a little more mature, and you
and you looked good out there, then you're gonna get
that spot. I'm not even mad, but collectively, I just
don't get what that quarterback room is doing. Again, go back,
you give de Sean Watson all the money and all
the bagage to boom. That doesn't work out, Okay, Then
(05:50):
you go and draft for Kenny Pickins, which was like, okay,
that's your saying that that mean got right? I mean trade,
I'm sorry, trade for Kenny Pickins. You're like, that's the
guy you're going to get.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But what happened They got dead draft capital back because
a quarterback got injured, right, so now you had an
extra quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
And then they were like, whoa, all right, if we
have uh, if.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
We're gonna go with Flacco and we got the young guy, whatever,
now we can get our fifth round pick back right, and.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Kenny Pickett was hurt.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
He didn't even play right, But you're speaking proactive like later,
I'm sorry, in real time, they got Kenny Pickett like
that's our guy, Like that was the first guy.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Then once he got hurt and then he didn't play.
But I'm saying you brought him in as if that
was the answer. No, he was going to know that guy,
That's what I'm saying. He wouldn't answer. And if he.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Played enough, and when they saw him, they said, once
he gets back injury, we got our guys.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
He didn't play. He didn't play.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
You know, I'm saying if he would have done enough
that they saw practice in the film once, they would
be like, that's our guess.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
They decided where they're going, which is to me.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Joe Flacco, They're like, we're not throwing a toweling on
the season. Okay, coaches and GM's their future rides on
on the team as well. They had a bad year
last year. The worst thing they could do is put
a rookie quarterback out there. Get their heads handed to them.
Nobody wants to hear about DeShawn Watson getting healthy and
all that and the elephant in the room is that
(07:16):
you see video of DeShawn Watson moving around now and
eventually he is going to play with all the money
they still owe him. So that's why I think in
reality they're they're doing what they're doing saying the Shawn's
going to play, and maybe that's after Joe Flacco holds
it down for this year and they hold on to
(07:39):
Shador until somebody comes knocking. That's what I think because
I don't see you're playing for the Browns, but I
don't see it and I.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
Hear you because they have so many quarterbacks. Now, they
got this other guy, zippy Zippity do dies zippity a.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Now's it? My?
Speaker 7 (07:54):
Oh my, what a wonderful day your son.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Quarterbacks coming your way, zippity dude.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So they got blue birreing the whole sauce should into fists.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Okay, what's that? Could you find that? A?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Well?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
What is that? I guess that is a funky flashback Friday. Man.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
My whole point is that cored that Brown's culture quarterback room.
They don't know what they're doing. And I told you
that anytime they think they're about to do something, you
need to do the opposite because they had a quarterback
since Bernie Czar.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's been a long time. Whatever they about, whatever you
know we should do. Actually did want a playoffs and
they know they did. They got away from him, which
is again what they shouldn't have done.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
They blew it. They made a mistake.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
They stayed blowing it like it's birthday candle. They always
blowing them out. K K Cake Cake, what is that
with you?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
What is this power one oh six? What is this
real ninety two three? What is this hot ninety seven?
Whenever I hear cake I can't help.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
But because we know where you are when you hear
that song, mentally, yes, it puts you back in the
magic city mode, which maybe that that what you need.
Speaker 8 (09:07):
Get you cheered up, don't get fired, you need.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
You need three home runs in a in a game
from Aaron Aaron Judge.
Speaker 8 (09:15):
Caution, what was that?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Got some new drops for you?
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Rob Caution?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Who's that? Karen? Don't worry about it? Your SII acting crazy?
Speaker 8 (09:27):
Don't get fired?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
You want to hear my new favorite one?
Speaker 8 (09:30):
Sexist? What you say about the w NBA row sexist?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
What did you watch the women's finals of the US Open?
Trying to sabotage my career. What is this they're listening
back at headquarters of women? What about the United States
Women's National team?
Speaker 8 (09:51):
Sexist?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
What about laundry night at the w n.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
B A sexist? Don't get fired?
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Mayback music? Oh my gosh, you guys are nuts. Steven
Brown's They're terrible. Didn't know what they're doing it.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I think they know exactly exactly what they're doing, which
is Chadors not in our plans. Will hold on to him.
Maybe some team will come calling and they have some
quarterback issue and they go, hey, you know Chador, Yeah,
let's let's give him a shot. Hey, we'll give you
this or that or whatever. Just the idea that Bailey
(10:29):
Zappi's getting more reps than him.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Rogerie, do you know anything about it? Is he fast? Bailey?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Well, I'm saying, is he he might be faster than
Shador because I'm saying the Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yes, that's what I'm thinking. He's just being meeting. We
go back to Shador. We just need to be jack.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
In general, he mentioned it. It's a tipical. This doesn't
happen on other teams. Other teams do not have multiple guys,
and everybody doesn't have Lamar Jackson. Dang it, we gotta
get ready for Lamar Jackson. Okay, Door Sanders will play
He's and they was gonna say something. I don't want
Alex hit to drop on me. The new one, No,
the old one. Okay, we're about I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
They already got a black quarterback, like, did you push
the door back there?
Speaker 8 (11:11):
Racist?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
He is racist. He's racist.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
That's gotta be racist to Door is not the stereotypes
of all black dudes are fast Mexican. Not all black
dudes are fast. Okay, Rob, sure Door ain't taken off.
All right, let's get out of there, so we keep
our Robbed by the way. Fun fact you know Rob,
you knows as a baseball fan. The reason why in
Major League all the.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Wesley snipe see or him and slow motion because they
said he was really slow as a runner. Really yep,
he ain't Tom Cruise, Nope. They said he was extremely slow.
So they if we played it in full speed and
he wouldn't look good. Everything in slow motion, so.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
He looked like he look good in a white man
can't jump, but he wasn't running. It was just a
short racist. He wasn't racist. He was good at men
can't jump. It was good in those movies, those sports.
But that is snipe.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
He's up underrated like nineteen eighty eight to ninety six run.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Oh no he did. He had a good run. But
the irs thing I think right here, and people don't.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
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movies a year, still trying to play off his taxes.
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Speaker 3 (13:01):
We got a big fight happening tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
The cool thing about it, Canelo and Crawford, is that
we've been talking about the fights we don't want to
see that have landed on Netflix, but this one is
actually on Netflix. So I think a lot of people
are gonna be able to take advantage of that and
enjoy Robberie.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Ya know you're all in on this one, right, No,
he can't wait.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yeah, I'm pumped up. I'm gonna watch a big fight party,
probably at the end loss. I gotta clean up. After
eighty inch TV said we'll not be shut that down.
I was trying to sell on my eighty inch TV
set up man up. His wife was like, Nope, you're
not bringing that. This is how I know you ain't
married to a Mexican. I know you ever woke up dead, Kevin.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Hey, this is this is how you know I'm actually
lying because I would never have done.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
You say all that, but no, but we're very excited
about this fight. Right to fight that people say the
fight can save boxing. Right, it ain't same, but Yeah,
here's my question for you guys leading into this fighter.
We talked about it months ago when it was first
even speculating before he's even announced. We talked about this,
and my belief coming into it was I I never thought,
as much as Crawford wanted this fight, it was ever
(14:03):
going to happen because I believed that Canelo Alvarez has
nothing to gain in this one other than a boatload
of money. Obviously, he'll do anything with a lot of money.
But if you just look at his resume and his history,
you go down the list, and the guy's already beaten
Glovekin twice. He's being Covid lab, he's being the American,
he's been Miguel Koto like. He's run through divisions over
and over and over. He challenged himself by going up
(14:25):
a division he shouldn't have, which is something that Crawford's
going to do here because he wanted to test himself
against the bigger man, the better man, so on and
so forth. And my question has always been, he's already
the top draw on the sport, he's already making a
ton of money.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
His legacy is basically cemented. What does he have to gain.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
By taking on a guy who is at a minimum
two way classes lighter, and with all due respect to
Bud Crawford, I think he's a great fighter. His only
real notable fight that anybody ever talks about is the
one against Spence, because as great as he is, he
doesn't have that same mark key fight that everyone knows
and talks about. So my question was why would he
(15:05):
take this fight? Because if he wins, he's supposed to win.
He's the bigger guys, the more experienced guy. But if
he loses, then that changes everything.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It is And I'm just gonna do we know the
persons like what they're getting because now people are motivated
by these big paydays and money Because I'm with you,
Rob G, like, like, it only hurts you if you lose,
like winning, well are you supposed to win?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Right?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So you don't get anything out of it other than
the financial terms, Rob G. So I just wonder what
the payday is to make him say, yeah, I gotta
take this fight.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I disagree.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
I think it's exactly the opposite. I think this is
a separation between him and Floyd. I think this is
where he can say Floyd, I am emulating his business model, right,
I got with the zone. I'm doing all these big fights.
I'm kind of handling my own career like Floyd. And
now I do think Floyd has become the blueprint for
a lot of backs in that regarding really and a
lot of other sports as well. But I think he
(16:03):
is saying when people say, and even though it's you know,
ten twelve year difference, whatever the age is, but they
can say the best of the generation, people are gonna
say Floyd, but people can maybe say Canelo, because why
what's the thing we say about Floyd? He didn't fight anybody,
or he didn't fight him at the right times. He waited,
And I think Canelo has that in his favor. You
just listed off some of those some really good fights
he fought Floyd, he fought others, you know, and now
(16:24):
he's fighting the only other person someone could say he's
been the best during his reign. And so to me,
this is a differentiator. You know what else, He had
a chance to fight Jake Paul, Remember that was coming out,
and everybody's like, oh man, why Canelly could have made
crazy money? N scratch that. I want to fight a
real fighter who's still in his prime. Is still one
of the best. The guy people say, you know, if
you look out of eye, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It's close.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
And so I think he's trying to say I have
respect for the sport integrity. With the sport integrity, I
have been a fighter. I fought everybody, and I want
to now continue to fight the best and maybe I
can try to save the sport. If it doesn't happen,
at least you can't say I didn't try. And then
that can be a differentiator, right, because that's if he's
gonna make stupid money.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
But if Rob do you got the money?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Yeah, this is reported on the Sporting News. So according
to this report, Canelo is going to make anywhere between
one hundred hundred and fifty million dollars for this fight, dude,
and by comparison, and this goes to show you about
how it's a one sided affair in terms of marketability.
Bud Crawford said on a podcast he's only making about
ten million for this fight.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
That's that's what he said. He's doing that for family,
so they don' sweat him. Yeah, could it be like
that one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
To two To your point, the Spence fight that everyone
was so excited about that we went to that fight
only got made because Bud Crawford said, Spence, you're the
big dog, You're the guy that wants to see you
take the majority. I want the opportunity to fight you.
Because he didn't have any Marquis fights before he was
fighting on ESPN. He wasn't getting papid. He why he
(17:56):
is for eight, nine, ten years. But that money sound
low though, doesn't it?
Speaker 7 (18:01):
The only thing I'll say he may have And y'all
know how these goes, all these incentives, he may have
some all the incentives. If the fight goes over fifty
million viewed at the same time, you get ba hey
on the back end between the ticket sales and the
promotion sale by like he'll so he might end up
at the end of it all making thirty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
You know.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
I'm just here is what you're peeing paid ten million
straight cash. However on the backup, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
And then we'll mention too. Canelo was promised a minimum
of four hundred million dollars by Turkey the Shah or
if he for a four fight deal or a five
fight deal, so minimum no matter who he fights. He
fought Williams School. Rob, if Williams School delivered a pizza
to your house, you have no idea who he was. No,
you got eighty million dollars for that fight, I would say,
(18:47):
skull brother all that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
So money, the money was going to be there regardless,
So why take this fight?
Speaker 7 (18:53):
That's what I think. That's why. And here's the other
part of this. Guess what if he were to lose
the Crawford There's not a single person that would be like,
that's a bad loss. You might be shocked, like I
thought he would win because he's heavier. It's not a
bad loss. And some people I talk today, they're all
about Crawford. They think that he's gonna win because Crawford
has been too Rob G's point, I'm not gonna act
(19:14):
like I watched every one of his fights, but I've
watched definitely a the vast majority, and I watched him
like I feel like the only his dude is incredible
technician power, you know, uh focus, I mean defensively, counter
also can be an off. I'm like, dude, this dude
is amazing, and I think this is his shot. That's
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why for him it'sus huge to finally be on the
main stage, if you will, not just being a great
guy who never got the big shot. But I think
for for again going back to Canelo, even if he loses,
he loses to Crawford, they both win because guess whoever
want to see the rematch? Everybody as long as Canelo
don't drop him in the first round, some crazy you know,
he just overpowered him. This thing goes past eight rounds,
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It doesn't matter who wins, and it's a good fight,
and they're fighting each other. This is gonna be a
good win for both of them and for Crawford, especially
this ten million guaranteed part.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
And then obviously we.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Know the back end that might go to twenty five
the next time with more on the back end.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Does the fact that Crawford is already thirty seven? How
much is that we get to this because Canalo even
though Canelo's much more experienced, much more thirty thirty five
two years younger. So is this Crawford saying, Hey, I'm
already on my way out the door. Yeah, I mean
this is my last best chance to get sure from Crawford.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
That makes total sense, right?
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Oh yeah, I didn't I thought you were asking the skill. No,
this is him absolutely, I've got to get me a
paydat So okay.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
So then quickly with whether it no, what're up against it?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Why is this different where you're saying, hey, Alpharez is
fighting Crawford and you know the knock on Floyd when
you fight everybody too late, it's basically the same ages
as when Floyd fought Manny and they'll knock on that
was well, you know, he fought him when he was
laid and his shoulder was messed up. The idea, why
is that not a conversation with this fight?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
A great question.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
I answered that it's because we didn't clamor for this
individual fight for five six years, that specific fight waiting
for millions of years.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Or is it just that there aren't any good fights
out there? You know what I mean? Like like there
aren't any good fights. Like the biggest headlines for boxing
have been Jake Paul and Mike Tyson fighting at sixty.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Think about that. I covered boxing.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
For years at heyday, yeah, and during the Heyday and
when I was with the Free Press in Detroit and
I was in Vegas all the time, all these big
fights and you just don't have the same feel because
they just aren't that many good fights that you're looking
forward to. And then the ones that when Mayweather, even
when he was winning, they were so boring and all
(21:38):
tomato cans, and you just said to yourself, I think
I told you we used to watch it at the barbershop.
I stopped for free, Like you know, I was like,
I can't watch another one of these.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
That's how bad. You weren't missing anything because you knew
the outcome.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
They're gonna give it everything they have for the first
round and a half, get Floyd once or twice, and
then Floyd's gonna go defense mode and just science him
to death for the for the next ten to eleven rounds.
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Speaker 4 (22:13):
We talked about this quickly yesterday talking about the Jalen
Hurts Mahomes rivalry conversation. Patrockholmes has never lost three games
in a row in his career period.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Point blank crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
If they lose on Sunday, it will be his third
straight loss as a starting quarterback. Two of those will
have been to Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles. Well.
Rob Grunkowsi, super Bowl champion Fox NFL analyst was on
the Upp and Adams Podcast earlier this week on FanDuel,
and he discussed what's gone wrong, especially recently with the
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Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Take a listen.
Speaker 10 (22:44):
The Philadelphia he Goles open the floodgates last year in
the Super Bowl versus the Kansas City Chiefs, like, Hey,
we're not afraid of this super you know of the
super team Kansas City Chiefs that are very very well known.
I feel like a lot of teams like last year
had that fear. Oh I can't swing on the Chiefs,
you know, we can't give them our best shot because
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they're so well known and everyone is you know, is
talking about them. So the Kansas City the Philadelphia Eagles
punch them in the face. The Chiefs didn't know how
to react to that because no one else was doing
that while going into this year. Now the Los Angeles
Chargers punched them in the face. The Chiefs were like, whoa,
They're coming at us. How do we react? Well, they
didn't know how to react because no one was doing
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that before. So the Philadelphia Eagles opened that floodgate of hey,
if you punch these guys in the face, you take
it to him, you come out swinging, They're gonna fold
and they're not gonna be the team that you've been
seeing all last year.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
I absolutely disagree. I think it's the opposite. I think
for now, maybe four or five years, they get the best.
They get everybody's best punch. This is most teams super
Bowl rob everybody doesn't make it to the postseasons.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Some teams who do barely making it not that great.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
I think every team every week they come in, they're
getting what each team has. And sometimes you might get
a decent punch. It might be a Floyd Mayweather where
you punch me up a few times in the first round,
then I come back and dominate you the second half
of the fight. Or sometimes people just ain't got to
punch at all, and I'm Muhammad ad Lee dodging that thing.
So to me, they've been able to take everybody's punch
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for years now, whether it was they were an explosive
team and they were scoring a bunch of points, whether
they're more decon dunk the last couple of years tall
the way to the Super Bowl. Now they get smacked
up by the Eagles. I think the Eagles just absolutely
dominated the front line on both sides of the ball.
They had the bigger, stronger, faster, hungrier guys. We already
know the Kansas City Chiefs offensive line was terrible. Mahomes
was running for his life, they were injured, they were
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missing players. So I just think that's what you got.
The Eagles were just a flat out better team studgs
on both sides of the front line, offensively and defensively.
So that's how I see that. And also a couple
of years ago, all the way to the Super Bowl win,
the Chiefs went every game down ten at some point
and still came back every game. Every game in a
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superw Dave, we got down ten most teams, Oh man,
maybe you come back from one, maybe two. Every single
game they were down ten, including the Super Bowl, and
they came back and won. I think they know how
to find a way back. So I don't agree with
Gronk on that one, just because again history has shown
they've taken people's punches and come back and one and
two and again the last year fifteen to two you
don't think everybody else was trying to Mike Tyson them
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and knock them out throughout the season. They just withstood
those punches until they finally went into the Ultimate Bully
and the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, I think what Gronk is saying is and I
think even with the record that they're not that team.
They're not that team that you thought you couldn't be,
Like a lot of teams had them in that spot,
couldn't finish the deal. They don't look as powerful as
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they did. It's not the same Patrick Mahomes that you're
afraid of that he's gonna do something. There's something like
like the like, uh, the armor has been beaten down
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I think that's really what he was saying.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I hear your point on what teams have done and
they get up for the Chiefs and all that, but
I do believe like the Chiefs are wounded, and I
think that you saw last year when they played a
really good team.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
They look mortal.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
They did like like you know, we talked about it, yeah,
like like a lot of people. I mean, I did
pick them, but was I surprised that how bad they
looked and how bad they got throttled. That was different,
and I think that's what Gronk is talking about, because
they did get punched in their mouth in that game
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by the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
But it was more than that. It was that the
Eagles were a really good team.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
And they keep skating getting by and a team shooting
themselves in the foot and making a key turnover or
missing a field goal. You know, so you look and go, well,
don't matter. All they got to do is win. And
that's that I gave you. Was remarkable, It really was.
With percentage of throws over twenty five yards and the
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other teams that were right there in the same way,
they were three and fifteen where they should be because
they can't advance the ball down place right, and yet
they were exact out there were fifteen and three like
it just didn't even. It doesn't compute, like all those
teams should be down at the bottom right. If you
can't convert those things, you can't stretch the field. You
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have to become one dimensional as far as Dnking and
duncan and there's no big play over the top, you
know that can change the game in a minute.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It was very interesting to me.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
I just think but again, that's to me. We've known
for years now. We have seen the Chiefs. They're the
tea you know, they're like the Lakers when the Lakers
are rolling, or the Warriors. My team sucks. We ain't
going to postseings. But dangett, the Warriors are in town.
I'm going to the game. We gotta beat them. This
is our NBA Finals. Here comes Shaq and Kobe. We
have no shot, but danget, I'm going to the game.
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Be fun if we can beat them. This is our
NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
This is to me.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Teams for years we can beat Tom Brady, the Patriots, Dange.
We had a good season. It was fun, you know.
And so I think they've been People have been trying
to punch them in the off. They just can't because
they have a variety of ways to win. They've won
historically putting up a bunch of points. Not the last
couple of years. They're just dink and dunky and get
all the way to Super Bowl. Win, won a couple
of years ago, last year, get right back there. So
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I just think I don't agree with this point. I
think they've taken everybody's punches and they keep finding a
way to keep marching along and they just got beat
by a better team, the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I just don't think they're the same.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Rob You gotta know, I actually agree with Gronk a
little bit on this one, and that's because situations obviously,
like Buffalo and Baltimore, they're different, right because they're the
only two teams, I guess you would say the Burrows
Bengals as well, where they would play them and they
would be like, hey, not only are we eye level,
we're a better team than you.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
And it just something would go.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Sideways, or Patrick Muwans would happen and a.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Missfield goal whatever, or Jay Flowers at the one one,
things that didn't ordinarily happen right like that.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
That changed again.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
But these other teams, like my Raiders, like the Broncos,
like the Chargers, on certain occasions, they would get into
these points where even if they got ahead, rather than
trying to win the game, they'd be like, we just
got to hang on, had to hang on. We got
them right, they're up ten, there's nine minutes left. We
hang on, we play field position, we're gonna win this game.
And they get tight because they're waiting for that Chiefs
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Avalanche to come like, hey, we've got to hold on.
And you guys know this, as you guys been covering
sports forever, not just in football, but a sport. When
you're playing not to lose instead of trying.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
To win is usually when you lose. And what the.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Philadelphia Eagles did in that Super Bowl is they came out,
they smacked them in the mouth and instead of saying,
all right, here comes the retaliation, here comes the haymaker
coming back. We're gonna hit him again, and we're gonna
hit him again, and we hit him again and then
we'll see what happens. And then that's the Chargers, not
as talented obviously upfront as Philadelphia, did the exact same thing.
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Because when Patrick Mahos finally got going in the second
half of that game last Friday, justin Herbert in that offense,
they're not gonna run the ball. They came out on
the last drive and he throws the ball on first down,
and on second down they do a playack and he
runs for the first down.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
They went ahead, won that game. They were gonna wait
and what's gonna come out. I'm glad you said that,
and congrats to them, and you're right. What we have
seen could change this year, but I'm all by the history.
What we have seen is everything you just mentioned is
not what happens in the postseason. Justin Herbert scrabbles, scrabbles,
runs for it like he did, and he gets tripped
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up three yards short of the first down. They go
for it on fourth or something. Crazy, Chiefs get the ball,
they win. So everything you're saying is right, I hear you,
except for the Chiefs still find a way to win it.
Even in that game you just mentioned, Justin Herbert doesn't
get that first down, we all go the Chiefs are
about to find a way to win, and that's why
everybody was like, wow, finally look at Justin Herbert because
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he had been two and seven against them beforehand. So
to me, I think it's almost like again Floyd Mayweather,
ignoring the fact that, like they've taken everybody's best shot.
I can't help it if I just, you know, sometimes
the fight's gonna be a little boring. But the fact
is I keep winning, and that's just what they've done.
And I think, aside from the Eagles, they never just
really gotten beat down like that.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
That was telling, though, as as bad as it was,
and I told you all year you noticed that they
weren't gonna win a Super Bowl because I was like, dude,
they're getting away with it. They're winning games, but they
really haven't played what they need to do in order
to win a super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
This throw both of you, Robs. Their offensive line is good?
Is what happens in that game? You can still say
they can win. I'm just because Patrick mahone's running for
his life every play. If that offensive line is how
it had been historically.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
What do you think? So you say no, Still, what
do you think, Roger?
Speaker 4 (31:51):
If their offensive line was as good as they had
been like earlier in their line?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, like you know, just what they normally have.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
They still lose. But it's not that bad. It's a game,
and they lose. I'm with you, and the only reason why.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
So I bring it up to say to you that's
where it gets interesting because if he's in that game,
oh my, and they're down ten, like I've stated, we
all go, oh shoot, hold on, here they come, because
that's all they need. But that offensive line was beaten,
battered and they just got That's cool.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But that's called football, like like, and that's why I
got smoked.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
But they've taken advantage of other teams that don't have
staff or or they miss up an interception or drop
it or whatever, you know what I mean, Like we
could see here all day, Like there's plenty of opportunities.
That to me, the Chiefs got it, you know, had
something work in their favor, the offensive line when they
lost to Tampa Bay. Remember they got steamroll than that.
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Patrick has had a couple of really bad Super Bowls, like.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Oh he hasn't made spect Those are the games where
he would say, look at my highlight reel that ain't
Those aren't the games.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Even in this wins rob g At one point he
had like eight touchdowns and six picks in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
You think he's what's his headens?
Speaker 7 (33:01):
I think it's ten and seven is a tennant in
his career, in his career, you know what I mean, Like, no, listen,
and two of them were garbage time touch Jalen Hurts
is definitely looking like I'm the superrit even in the
Super
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Bowl, the last one, remember that with the long touchdown
throw like in a blowout
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Rob Gene.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It was a story that came out today or was
it earlier today? Yeah, about Chador Sanders. And this was
interesting for all the people who bought us just Shador
Sanders jerseys, Browns jerseys.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
You mean Barry Sanders, Yeah, Barry Sanders Sanders.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
After reading this story, I'm figuring that they could wear
the jersey with their Baller Big Baller brand.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
That's neverloss.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Those two go together now loggy at least appairly, that's
what it sounded like for me.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yet it's not looking good if you're a shaduor Sanders
fan right now, because, as you guys know, it's been
well reported that he ended up being the QB three
in Cleveland right after they traded away Kenny Pickett. Dylan
Gabriel was instilled at the backup. Schaduur was at number three,
which meant that they could prevent him from going to
the practice squad and getting claimed for another team. But
more than anything, the reason why you have a guy
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your third string quarterback historically is so that he can
run your scout team.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
He's gonna get reps upon reps upon reps.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
It might not be your system, but he's getting live
reps in practice that he wouldn't ordinarily get as the backup. Well,
on Thursday, reporters in Cleveland notice that hey, this week
they're preparing for the Baltimore Ravens and newcomer Bailey Zappi,
he's only been here about two weeks, is running the scout.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Team Bailey's and Queam Zappi.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
According to at least one reporter, shaduor Sander did not
take a single rep in any team drill whatsoever. Well,
once that became a talking point, reporters asked Bill Musgrave
about it, and here's how he justified Shador not getting
scouting reps.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah, I'd say it's a little bit, it's a little
bit different, and it's it's exciting because those guys do
take pride in getting the defense ready. They want to
do a good job of replicating the opponent's offense, and
at the same time, they want to try to relate
any play that they get to our game plan for
that week too, so they can feel like they can
get a little double duty there.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
All right, there's the explanation. Does it make sense to you,
because none of it makes sense to me. But you know,
I haven't really understood what they've been doing since the
beginning of this. I mean, I do, well, would you
like to go?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well, I just they they're telling you without telling you
that they don't view him as a starting quarterback in
the NFL. I mean, what else could it be if
you really thought you had something, even a diamond in
a row of why wouldn't you give him some reps?
They wouldn't give him reps during the preseason right camp,
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they wouldn't give the reps there with the first team.
They didn't give him reps during training camp. Like, like what,
it doesn't make sense? It does it hurt you to
give somebody reps? Is at the end of the world.
To give them some first team reps with the first team.
I don't understand it. To hold on to a guy
that obviously you don't believe really is going to be
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a starting quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
See, that's why I jump in and say, and I
totally get what you're saying, Like because just on the optics,
if you fail from Mars and I told you what
was happening, you'd be like, oh, they must not like
the guy. But what makes it strength? A few things
make it strength For me? Still round, like why won't
they release them? And maybe it's coming, maybe you know
two three, four weeks from now he does?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Who knows? But maybe can I give you one reason?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You hold on to him and wait for somebody to
get hurt, like a quarterback or some situation, and then
he becomes a little more valuable.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Well, you're making him unvaluable while you keep you keep
demoting him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And he's not this Alex Third, which wasn't.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
But there's always some one man's chicken is another man's gumbo.
I mean, like you know what I'm saying, Like, he's
still the unknown, right, but I holding onto that one
preseason game that dangle out there.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
For you ignore the other one.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
Yes, uh So one reason why I say that is
I'm glad you brought that up from an outside looking
in everything we're we hear he's supposed to be doing
as far as he's good in practice. We had the
coach come out, Oh man Keve Svanski, Oh he's he's
just a great guy. I love this kid. GM's come out.
Some of the older Vets have come out braved about right.
But I'm saying, so check it might even mad at that.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Check. They've said that we.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
Saw him in the preseason game when he actually had
players who might be in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
He looked good, in fact, he looked really good.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Then we saw him with a bunch of guys who
are about to be working at All State Insurance in
a minute, and he looked bad, which a lot of
guys might. And so my thing is, and he's done
what he's supposed to do to be in a position now.
The way things work, we know in the NFL, Dylan
Gabriel is our third round pick, and they're too close
neck and neck. We're going with our third round pick.
I'm not even mad at that. No, if you're neck
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and neck, that's what they're what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
If you really believe that he's better I've given you
plenty of examples. You could skip over Dylan Gabriel if
you door's real.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
That's what I'm saying. He would have had to been
headed up, shoulders above him.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
He wasn't.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Dylan Gabriel looked really good his game out there in
the preseason. So if I picked you, I feel you're
a little older, maybe a little more mature, and you
and you looked good out there, then you're gonna get
that spot. I'm not even mad, but collectively, I just
don't get what that quarterback room is doing. Again, go back,
you give de Sean Watson all the money and all
the bagage to boom. That doesn't work out, Okay, Then
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you go and draft for Kenny Pickins, which was like, okay,
that's your saying that that mean got right? I mean trade,
I'm sorry, trade for Kenny Pickins. You're like, that's the
guy you're going to get.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But what happened They got dead draft capital back because
a quarterback got injured, right, so now you had an
extra quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
And then they were like, whoa, all right, if we
have uh, if.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
We're gonna go with Flacco and we got the young guy, whatever,
now we can get our fifth round pick back right, and.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Kenny Pickett was hurt.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
He didn't even play right, But you're speaking proactive like later,
I'm sorry, in real time, they got Kenny Pickett like
that's our guy, Like that was the first guy.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Then once he got hurt and then he didn't play.
But I'm saying you brought him in as if that
was the answer. No, he was going to know that guy,
That's what I'm saying. He wouldn't answer. And if he.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Played enough, and when they saw him, they said, once
he gets back injury, we got our guys.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
He didn't play. He didn't play.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
You know, I'm saying if he would have done enough
that they saw practice in the film once, they would
be like, that's our guess.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
They decided where they're going, which is to me.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Joe Flacco, They're like, we're not throwing a toweling on
the season. Okay, coaches and GM's their future rides on
on the team as well. They had a bad year
last year. The worst thing they could do is put
a rookie quarterback out there. Get their heads handed to them.
Nobody wants to hear about DeShawn Watson getting healthy and
all that and the elephant in the room is that
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you see video of DeShawn Watson moving around now and
eventually he is going to play with all the money
they still owe him. So that's why I think in
reality they're they're doing what they're doing saying the Shawn's
going to play, and maybe that's after Joe Flacco holds
it down for this year and they hold on to
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Shador until somebody comes knocking. That's what I think because
I don't see you're playing for the Browns, but I
don't see it and I.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
Hear you because they have so many quarterbacks. Now, they
got this other guy, zippy Zippity do dies zippity a.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Now's it? My?
Speaker 7 (07:54):
Oh my, what a wonderful day your son.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Quarterbacks coming your way, zippity dude.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So they got blue birreing the whole sauce should into fists.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Okay, what's that? Could you find that? A?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Well?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
What is that? I guess that is a funky flashback Friday. Man.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
My whole point is that cored that Brown's culture quarterback room.
They don't know what they're doing. And I told you
that anytime they think they're about to do something, you
need to do the opposite because they had a quarterback
since Bernie Czar.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's been a long time. Whatever they about, whatever you
know we should do. Actually did want a playoffs and
they know they did. They got away from him, which
is again what they shouldn't have done.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
They blew it. They made a mistake.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
They stayed blowing it like it's birthday candle. They always
blowing them out. K K Cake Cake, what is that
with you?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
What is this power one oh six? What is this
real ninety two three? What is this hot ninety seven?
Whenever I hear cake I can't help.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
But because we know where you are when you hear
that song, mentally, yes, it puts you back in the
magic city mode, which maybe that that what you need.
Speaker 8 (09:07):
Get you cheered up, don't get fired, you need.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
You need three home runs in a in a game
from Aaron Aaron Judge.
Speaker 8 (09:15):
Caution, what was that?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Got some new drops for you?
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Rob Caution?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Who's that? Karen? Don't worry about it? Your SII acting crazy?
Speaker 8 (09:27):
Don't get fired?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
You want to hear my new favorite one?
Speaker 8 (09:30):
Sexist? What you say about the w NBA row sexist?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
What did you watch the women's finals of the US Open?
Trying to sabotage my career. What is this they're listening
back at headquarters of women? What about the United States
Women's National team?
Speaker 8 (09:51):
Sexist?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
What about laundry night at the w n.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
B A sexist? Don't get fired?
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Mayback music? Oh my gosh, you guys are nuts. Steven
Brown's They're terrible. Didn't know what they're doing it.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I think they know exactly exactly what they're doing, which
is Chadors not in our plans. Will hold on to him.
Maybe some team will come calling and they have some
quarterback issue and they go, hey, you know Chador, Yeah,
let's let's give him a shot. Hey, we'll give you
this or that or whatever. Just the idea that Bailey
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Zappi's getting more reps than him.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Rogerie, do you know anything about it? Is he fast? Bailey?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Well, I'm saying, is he he might be faster than
Shador because I'm saying the Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yes, that's what I'm thinking. He's just being meeting. We
go back to Shador. We just need to be jack.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
In general, he mentioned it. It's a tipical. This doesn't
happen on other teams. Other teams do not have multiple guys,
and everybody doesn't have Lamar Jackson. Dang it, we gotta
get ready for Lamar Jackson. Okay, Door Sanders will play
He's and they was gonna say something. I don't want
Alex hit to drop on me. The new one, No,
the old one. Okay, we're about I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
They already got a black quarterback, like, did you push
the door back there?
Speaker 8 (11:11):
Racist?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
He is racist. He's racist.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
That's gotta be racist to Door is not the stereotypes
of all black dudes are fast Mexican. Not all black
dudes are fast. Okay, Rob, sure Door ain't taken off.
All right, let's get out of there, so we keep
our Robbed by the way. Fun fact you know Rob,
you knows as a baseball fan. The reason why in
Major League all the.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Wesley snipe see or him and slow motion because they
said he was really slow as a runner. Really yep,
he ain't Tom Cruise, Nope. They said he was extremely slow.
So they if we played it in full speed and
he wouldn't look good. Everything in slow motion, so.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
He looked like he look good in a white man
can't jump, but he wasn't running. It was just a
short racist. He wasn't racist. He was good at men
can't jump. It was good in those movies, those sports.
But that is snipe.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
He's up underrated like nineteen eighty eight to ninety six run.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Oh no he did. He had a good run. But
the irs thing I think right here, and people don't.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
People do not like Nicholas Cage's been doing one hundred
movies a year, still trying to play off his taxes.
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Speaker 3 (13:01):
We got a big fight happening tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
The cool thing about it, Canelo and Crawford, is that
we've been talking about the fights we don't want to
see that have landed on Netflix, but this one is
actually on Netflix. So I think a lot of people
are gonna be able to take advantage of that and
enjoy Robberie.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Ya know you're all in on this one, right, No,
he can't wait.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yeah, I'm pumped up. I'm gonna watch a big fight party,
probably at the end loss. I gotta clean up. After
eighty inch TV said we'll not be shut that down.
I was trying to sell on my eighty inch TV
set up man up. His wife was like, Nope, you're
not bringing that. This is how I know you ain't
married to a Mexican. I know you ever woke up dead, Kevin.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Hey, this is this is how you know I'm actually
lying because I would never have done.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
You say all that, but no, but we're very excited
about this fight. Right to fight that people say the
fight can save boxing. Right, it ain't same, but Yeah,
here's my question for you guys leading into this fighter.
We talked about it months ago when it was first
even speculating before he's even announced. We talked about this,
and my belief coming into it was I I never thought,
as much as Crawford wanted this fight, it was ever
(14:03):
going to happen because I believed that Canelo Alvarez has
nothing to gain in this one other than a boatload
of money. Obviously, he'll do anything with a lot of money.
But if you just look at his resume and his history,
you go down the list, and the guy's already beaten
Glovekin twice. He's being Covid lab, he's being the American,
he's been Miguel Koto like. He's run through divisions over
and over and over. He challenged himself by going up
(14:25):
a division he shouldn't have, which is something that Crawford's
going to do here because he wanted to test himself
against the bigger man, the better man, so on and
so forth. And my question has always been, he's already
the top draw on the sport, he's already making a
ton of money.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
His legacy is basically cemented. What does he have to gain.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
By taking on a guy who is at a minimum
two way classes lighter, and with all due respect to
Bud Crawford, I think he's a great fighter. His only
real notable fight that anybody ever talks about is the
one against Spence, because as great as he is, he
doesn't have that same mark key fight that everyone knows
and talks about. So my question was why would he
(15:05):
take this fight? Because if he wins, he's supposed to win.
He's the bigger guys, the more experienced guy. But if
he loses, then that changes everything.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It is And I'm just gonna do we know the
persons like what they're getting because now people are motivated
by these big paydays and money Because I'm with you,
Rob G, like, like, it only hurts you if you lose,
like winning, well are you supposed to win?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Right?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So you don't get anything out of it other than
the financial terms, Rob G. So I just wonder what
the payday is to make him say, yeah, I gotta
take this fight.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I disagree.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
I think it's exactly the opposite. I think this is
a separation between him and Floyd. I think this is
where he can say Floyd, I am emulating his business model, right,
I got with the zone. I'm doing all these big fights.
I'm kind of handling my own career like Floyd. And
now I do think Floyd has become the blueprint for
a lot of backs in that regarding really and a
lot of other sports as well. But I think he
(16:03):
is saying when people say, and even though it's you know,
ten twelve year difference, whatever the age is, but they
can say the best of the generation, people are gonna
say Floyd, but people can maybe say Canelo, because why
what's the thing we say about Floyd? He didn't fight anybody,
or he didn't fight him at the right times. He waited,
And I think Canelo has that in his favor. You
just listed off some of those some really good fights
he fought Floyd, he fought others, you know, and now
(16:24):
he's fighting the only other person someone could say he's
been the best during his reign. And so to me,
this is a differentiator. You know what else, He had
a chance to fight Jake Paul, Remember that was coming out,
and everybody's like, oh man, why Canelly could have made
crazy money? N scratch that. I want to fight a
real fighter who's still in his prime. Is still one
of the best. The guy people say, you know, if
you look out of eye, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It's close.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
And so I think he's trying to say I have
respect for the sport integrity. With the sport integrity, I
have been a fighter. I fought everybody, and I want
to now continue to fight the best and maybe I
can try to save the sport. If it doesn't happen,
at least you can't say I didn't try. And then
that can be a differentiator, right, because that's if he's
gonna make stupid money.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
But if Rob do you got the money?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Yeah, this is reported on the Sporting News. So according
to this report, Canelo is going to make anywhere between
one hundred hundred and fifty million dollars for this fight, dude,
and by comparison, and this goes to show you about
how it's a one sided affair in terms of marketability.
Bud Crawford said on a podcast he's only making about
ten million for this fight.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
That's that's what he said. He's doing that for family,
so they don' sweat him. Yeah, could it be like
that one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
To two To your point, the Spence fight that everyone
was so excited about that we went to that fight
only got made because Bud Crawford said, Spence, you're the
big dog, You're the guy that wants to see you
take the majority. I want the opportunity to fight you.
Because he didn't have any Marquis fights before he was
fighting on ESPN. He wasn't getting papid. He why he
(17:56):
is for eight, nine, ten years. But that money sound
low though, doesn't it?
Speaker 7 (18:01):
The only thing I'll say he may have And y'all
know how these goes, all these incentives, he may have
some all the incentives. If the fight goes over fifty
million viewed at the same time, you get ba hey
on the back end between the ticket sales and the
promotion sale by like he'll so he might end up
at the end of it all making thirty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
You know.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
I'm just here is what you're peeing paid ten million
straight cash. However on the backup, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
And then we'll mention too. Canelo was promised a minimum
of four hundred million dollars by Turkey the Shah or
if he for a four fight deal or a five
fight deal, so minimum no matter who he fights. He
fought Williams School. Rob, if Williams School delivered a pizza
to your house, you have no idea who he was. No,
you got eighty million dollars for that fight, I would say,
(18:47):
skull brother all that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
So money, the money was going to be there regardless,
So why take this fight?
Speaker 7 (18:53):
That's what I think. That's why. And here's the other
part of this. Guess what if he were to lose
the Crawford There's not a single person that would be like,
that's a bad loss. You might be shocked, like I
thought he would win because he's heavier. It's not a
bad loss. And some people I talk today, they're all
about Crawford. They think that he's gonna win because Crawford
has been too Rob G's point, I'm not gonna act
(19:14):
like I watched every one of his fights, but I've
watched definitely a the vast majority, and I watched him
like I feel like the only his dude is incredible
technician power, you know, uh focus, I mean defensively, counter
also can be an off. I'm like, dude, this dude
is amazing, and I think this is his shot. That's
(19:34):
why for him it'sus huge to finally be on the
main stage, if you will, not just being a great
guy who never got the big shot. But I think
for for again going back to Canelo, even if he loses,
he loses to Crawford, they both win because guess whoever
want to see the rematch? Everybody as long as Canelo
don't drop him in the first round, some crazy you know,
he just overpowered him. This thing goes past eight rounds,
(19:55):
It doesn't matter who wins, and it's a good fight,
and they're fighting each other. This is gonna be a
good win for both of them and for Crawford, especially
this ten million guaranteed part.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
And then obviously we.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Know the back end that might go to twenty five
the next time with more on the back end.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Does the fact that Crawford is already thirty seven? How
much is that we get to this because Canalo even
though Canelo's much more experienced, much more thirty thirty five
two years younger. So is this Crawford saying, Hey, I'm
already on my way out the door. Yeah, I mean
this is my last best chance to get sure from Crawford.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
That makes total sense, right?
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Oh yeah, I didn't I thought you were asking the skill. No,
this is him absolutely, I've got to get me a
paydat So okay.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
So then quickly with whether it no, what're up against it?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Why is this different where you're saying, hey, Alpharez is
fighting Crawford and you know the knock on Floyd when
you fight everybody too late, it's basically the same ages
as when Floyd fought Manny and they'll knock on that
was well, you know, he fought him when he was
laid and his shoulder was messed up. The idea, why
is that not a conversation with this fight?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
A great question.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
I answered that it's because we didn't clamor for this
individual fight for five six years, that specific fight waiting
for millions of years.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Or is it just that there aren't any good fights
out there? You know what I mean? Like like there
aren't any good fights. Like the biggest headlines for boxing
have been Jake Paul and Mike Tyson fighting at sixty.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Think about that. I covered boxing.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
For years at heyday, yeah, and during the Heyday and
when I was with the Free Press in Detroit and
I was in Vegas all the time, all these big
fights and you just don't have the same feel because
they just aren't that many good fights that you're looking
forward to. And then the ones that when Mayweather, even
when he was winning, they were so boring and all
(21:38):
tomato cans, and you just said to yourself, I think
I told you we used to watch it at the barbershop.
I stopped for free, Like you know, I was like,
I can't watch another one of these.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
That's how bad. You weren't missing anything because you knew
the outcome.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
They're gonna give it everything they have for the first
round and a half, get Floyd once or twice, and
then Floyd's gonna go defense mode and just science him
to death for the for the next ten to eleven rounds.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
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Speaker 4 (22:13):
We talked about this quickly yesterday talking about the Jalen
Hurts Mahomes rivalry conversation. Patrockholmes has never lost three games
in a row in his career period.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Point blank crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
If they lose on Sunday, it will be his third
straight loss as a starting quarterback. Two of those will
have been to Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles. Well.
Rob Grunkowsi, super Bowl champion Fox NFL analyst was on
the Upp and Adams Podcast earlier this week on FanDuel,
and he discussed what's gone wrong, especially recently with the
(22:43):
Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Take a listen.
Speaker 10 (22:44):
The Philadelphia he Goles open the floodgates last year in
the Super Bowl versus the Kansas City Chiefs, like, Hey,
we're not afraid of this super you know of the
super team Kansas City Chiefs that are very very well known.
I feel like a lot of teams like last year
had that fear. Oh I can't swing on the Chiefs,
you know, we can't give them our best shot because
(23:06):
they're so well known and everyone is you know, is
talking about them. So the Kansas City the Philadelphia Eagles
punch them in the face. The Chiefs didn't know how
to react to that because no one else was doing
that while going into this year. Now the Los Angeles
Chargers punched them in the face. The Chiefs were like, whoa,
They're coming at us. How do we react? Well, they
didn't know how to react because no one was doing
(23:26):
that before. So the Philadelphia Eagles opened that floodgate of hey,
if you punch these guys in the face, you take
it to him, you come out swinging, They're gonna fold
and they're not gonna be the team that you've been
seeing all last year.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
I absolutely disagree. I think it's the opposite. I think
for now, maybe four or five years, they get the best.
They get everybody's best punch. This is most teams super
Bowl rob everybody doesn't make it to the postseasons.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Some teams who do barely making it not that great.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
I think every team every week they come in, they're
getting what each team has. And sometimes you might get
a decent punch. It might be a Floyd Mayweather where
you punch me up a few times in the first round,
then I come back and dominate you the second half
of the fight. Or sometimes people just ain't got to
punch at all, and I'm Muhammad ad Lee dodging that thing.
So to me, they've been able to take everybody's punch
(24:16):
for years now, whether it was they were an explosive
team and they were scoring a bunch of points, whether
they're more decon dunk the last couple of years tall
the way to the Super Bowl. Now they get smacked
up by the Eagles. I think the Eagles just absolutely
dominated the front line on both sides of the ball.
They had the bigger, stronger, faster, hungrier guys. We already
know the Kansas City Chiefs offensive line was terrible. Mahomes
was running for his life, they were injured, they were
(24:38):
missing players. So I just think that's what you got.
The Eagles were just a flat out better team studgs
on both sides of the front line, offensively and defensively.
So that's how I see that. And also a couple
of years ago, all the way to the Super Bowl win,
the Chiefs went every game down ten at some point
and still came back every game. Every game in a
(24:59):
superw Dave, we got down ten most teams, Oh man,
maybe you come back from one, maybe two. Every single
game they were down ten, including the Super Bowl, and
they came back and won. I think they know how
to find a way back. So I don't agree with
Gronk on that one, just because again history has shown
they've taken people's punches and come back and one and
two and again the last year fifteen to two you
don't think everybody else was trying to Mike Tyson them
(25:21):
and knock them out throughout the season. They just withstood
those punches until they finally went into the Ultimate Bully
and the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, I think what Gronk is saying is and I
think even with the record that they're not that team.
They're not that team that you thought you couldn't be,
Like a lot of teams had them in that spot,
couldn't finish the deal. They don't look as powerful as
(25:49):
they did. It's not the same Patrick Mahomes that you're
afraid of that he's gonna do something. There's something like
like the like, uh, the armor has been beaten down
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I think that's really what he was saying.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I hear your point on what teams have done and
they get up for the Chiefs and all that, but
I do believe like the Chiefs are wounded, and I
think that you saw last year when they played a
really good team.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
They look mortal.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
They did like like you know, we talked about it, yeah,
like like a lot of people. I mean, I did
pick them, but was I surprised that how bad they
looked and how bad they got throttled. That was different,
and I think that's what Gronk is talking about, because
they did get punched in their mouth in that game
(26:42):
by the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
But it was more than that. It was that the
Eagles were a really good team.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
And they keep skating getting by and a team shooting
themselves in the foot and making a key turnover or
missing a field goal. You know, so you look and go, well,
don't matter. All they got to do is win. And
that's that I gave you. Was remarkable, It really was.
With percentage of throws over twenty five yards and the
(27:08):
other teams that were right there in the same way,
they were three and fifteen where they should be because
they can't advance the ball down place right, and yet
they were exact out there were fifteen and three like
it just didn't even. It doesn't compute, like all those
teams should be down at the bottom right. If you
can't convert those things, you can't stretch the field. You
(27:28):
have to become one dimensional as far as Dnking and
duncan and there's no big play over the top, you
know that can change the game in a minute.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It was very interesting to me.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
I just think but again, that's to me. We've known
for years now. We have seen the Chiefs. They're the
tea you know, they're like the Lakers when the Lakers
are rolling, or the Warriors. My team sucks. We ain't
going to postseings. But dangett, the Warriors are in town.
I'm going to the game. We gotta beat them. This
is our NBA Finals. Here comes Shaq and Kobe. We
have no shot, but danget, I'm going to the game.
(28:00):
Be fun if we can beat them. This is our
NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
This is to me.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Teams for years we can beat Tom Brady, the Patriots, Dange.
We had a good season. It was fun, you know.
And so I think they've been People have been trying
to punch them in the off. They just can't because
they have a variety of ways to win. They've won
historically putting up a bunch of points. Not the last
couple of years. They're just dink and dunky and get
all the way to Super Bowl. Win, won a couple
of years ago, last year, get right back there. So
(28:24):
I just think I don't agree with this point. I
think they've taken everybody's punches and they keep finding a
way to keep marching along and they just got beat
by a better team, the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I just don't think they're the same.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Rob You gotta know, I actually agree with Gronk a
little bit on this one, and that's because situations obviously,
like Buffalo and Baltimore, they're different, right because they're the
only two teams, I guess you would say the Burrows
Bengals as well, where they would play them and they
would be like, hey, not only are we eye level,
we're a better team than you.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
And it just something would go.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Sideways, or Patrick Muwans would happen and a.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Missfield goal whatever, or Jay Flowers at the one one,
things that didn't ordinarily happen right like that.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
That changed again.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
But these other teams, like my Raiders, like the Broncos,
like the Chargers, on certain occasions, they would get into
these points where even if they got ahead, rather than
trying to win the game, they'd be like, we just
got to hang on, had to hang on. We got
them right, they're up ten, there's nine minutes left. We
hang on, we play field position, we're gonna win this game.
And they get tight because they're waiting for that Chiefs
(29:24):
Avalanche to come like, hey, we've got to hold on.
And you guys know this, as you guys been covering
sports forever, not just in football, but a sport. When
you're playing not to lose instead of trying.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
To win is usually when you lose. And what the.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Philadelphia Eagles did in that Super Bowl is they came out,
they smacked them in the mouth and instead of saying,
all right, here comes the retaliation, here comes the haymaker
coming back. We're gonna hit him again, and we're gonna
hit him again, and we hit him again and then
we'll see what happens. And then that's the Chargers, not
as talented obviously upfront as Philadelphia, did the exact same thing.
(29:59):
Because when Patrick Mahos finally got going in the second
half of that game last Friday, justin Herbert in that offense,
they're not gonna run the ball. They came out on
the last drive and he throws the ball on first down,
and on second down they do a playack and he
runs for the first down.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
They went ahead, won that game. They were gonna wait
and what's gonna come out. I'm glad you said that,
and congrats to them, and you're right. What we have
seen could change this year, but I'm all by the history.
What we have seen is everything you just mentioned is
not what happens in the postseason. Justin Herbert scrabbles, scrabbles,
runs for it like he did, and he gets tripped
(30:33):
up three yards short of the first down. They go
for it on fourth or something. Crazy, Chiefs get the ball,
they win. So everything you're saying is right, I hear you,
except for the Chiefs still find a way to win it.
Even in that game you just mentioned, Justin Herbert doesn't
get that first down, we all go the Chiefs are
about to find a way to win, and that's why
everybody was like, wow, finally look at Justin Herbert because
(30:53):
he had been two and seven against them beforehand. So
to me, I think it's almost like again Floyd Mayweather,
ignoring the fact that, like they've taken everybody's best shot.
I can't help it if I just, you know, sometimes
the fight's gonna be a little boring. But the fact
is I keep winning, and that's just what they've done.
And I think, aside from the Eagles, they never just
really gotten beat down like that.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
That was telling, though, as as bad as it was,
and I told you all year you noticed that they
weren't gonna win a Super Bowl because I was like, dude,
they're getting away with it. They're winning games, but they
really haven't played what they need to do in order
to win a super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
This throw both of you, Robs. Their offensive line is good?
Is what happens in that game? You can still say
they can win. I'm just because Patrick mahone's running for
his life every play. If that offensive line is how
it had been historically.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
What do you think? So you say no, Still, what
do you think, Roger?
Speaker 4 (31:51):
If their offensive line was as good as they had
been like earlier in their line?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, like you know, just what they normally have.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
They still lose. But it's not that bad. It's a game,
and they lose. I'm with you, and the only reason why.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
So I bring it up to say to you that's
where it gets interesting because if he's in that game,
oh my, and they're down ten, like I've stated, we
all go, oh shoot, hold on, here they come, because
that's all they need. But that offensive line was beaten,
battered and they just got That's cool.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But that's called football, like like, and that's why I
got smoked.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
But they've taken advantage of other teams that don't have
staff or or they miss up an interception or drop
it or whatever, you know what I mean, Like we
could see here all day, Like there's plenty of opportunities.
That to me, the Chiefs got it, you know, had
something work in their favor, the offensive line when they
lost to Tampa Bay. Remember they got steamroll than that.
(32:46):
Patrick has had a couple of really bad Super Bowls, like.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Oh he hasn't made spect Those are the games where
he would say, look at my highlight reel that ain't
Those aren't the games.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Even in this wins rob g At one point he
had like eight touchdowns and six picks in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
You think he's what's his headens?
Speaker 7 (33:01):
I think it's ten and seven is a tennant in
his career, in his career, you know what I mean, Like, no, listen,
and two of them were garbage time touch Jalen Hurts
is definitely looking like I'm the superrit even in the
Super
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Bowl, the last one, remember that with the long touchdown
throw like in a blowout
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