September 18, 2025 • 32 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether Josh Allen was out of bounds for basically downplaying the importance of winning a Super Bowl, argue over whether Mike McDaniel’s player-friendly approach to coaching is conducive to winning, and tell us if they’d rather have the career of Clayton Kershaw or Eli Manning.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Rob g.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
We talked about the Monday Night Football and there was
a conversation with Josh Allen, of course, the reigning MVP
in the National Football League, and he had some comments
that were very interesting.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
So for the last few years now, it seems like
every off season or at the conclusion of every regular season,
the conversation to Josh Allen the Buffalo Bills is always
is this the year? Is this the year you're gonna
finally break through? You can finally get in that super
You've been knocking on the door for so long, You're
finally gonna get there. Right. A porter asked him about
it earlier this week once again, and this time, apparently,
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according to ESPN, Josh Allen seemed exasperated because he rolled
his eyes and then he said, I think if I
knew how to get over that hump, we've ever gotten over.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That hump already.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
And then later on they're discussing his whole, you know,
reception in Buffalo and his mindset. Everyone's talking about he's
more at ease, he's more comfortable, he just got married.
His perspective on life has totally changed. And he said
something that got Rob Parker's panties all in a bunch,
double bunch. Here's what he said talking to double bunches.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
But we won't go there.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
How life away from football has changed his perspective on things.
Here we go quote. It's never been a goal of
mine to win the MVP. If anything's been to win
Super Bowl MVP. I think that's the better of the
two awards anyway, Make no mistake, it's a cool honor.
Really do appreciate it, but it doesn't change my life.
Doesn't change you who I am, and to that point,
it probably when he was a Super Bowl wouldn't change
who I am or to find my life either. But
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it is something the city's wanted for a long time,
and it feel like I can help be a piece
that brings it here. Something it's very important for excuse me.
It's more important to me than a singular trophy.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
All right, there was one right answer and he gave
the wrong one. Playing and simple.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Of course, I want to win a super Bowl for
the city.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
No one's just saying it's going to change you and
you're gonna be some different person and turn into something
this or that.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It's such an easy answer.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Hey, this is a great football town, Buffalo, man, they
had great teams back in the nineties. Couldn't get there.
More than anything I ever want to do, I would
love to win a championship for the city. All the
other stuff about him and changing him, and I'm happy
to win the MVP. Nobody really, no, most people would
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tell you this is why you play. Okay, we talk
about it all the time, all the accolades. If Aaron
Judge wins another MVP, none of it, none of it. Okay,
Aaron Judge knows. What does he want to do? Kelvin,
he wants to win a World Series for the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I just think that's an easy answer, And I think
that was the easy answer in that case, is to
just forget about This isn't about me. How about if
you're a fan and you were listening and that question
was asked, and he said, dude, this isn't about me.
This is about this great city of Buffalo and this
storied football tradition in the National Football League, and the
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idea that I'm here and I have a chance to
try to finally get this city to where it belongs
or give it a memory that they'll never forget. Like
that's all people want to hear about. Nobody's trying to
say you're gonna oh, it's not gonna change me if
I well, because basically, you know what that sounds like.
It's kind of like a cop out, like, well, I
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don't have to win one to be this or that.
I don't think Charles Barkley played his NBA career with
the idea of well, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I don't have to He wanted to win.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I think everybody wants to win, and so I just
when I heard that, it just sounded like a cop
out to me, like a, well, you know, whether I
win or I don't win, I'm not gonna be a
different person.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Okay, thanks, thanks for coming.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Yeah, so here's where I push back and get your
sentiment right. Just yo, I'm doing this for Buffalo. Always
love football, love the city.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
We mean the word. I get that.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
A couple of things happen here, in my opinion, Number one,
starting with the obvious.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
To Robgi's point, he's tired of it.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Probably Lamar Jackson's probably given another two years or so,
justin Herbert will be.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Tired of when are you gonna win? When are you
gonna break through?
Speaker 6 (04:38):
So I think we initially heard the fatigue of that question,
because I don't think anyone asked himselves that question more
than he asked himself.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
But here's where I'm wanna break it down a little
bit further.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
So you were talking about, you know, showing that you
want to do it, showing that you're all in and
telling them that. Well, I think he has shown the
city of Buffalo that with this play, the man literally
the team. No, it is exactly all him. He does
everything for that team. He dives over the place, he's
jumping over stuff, he's putting his way, body in harms, way,
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he's playing through injuries. I mean, he couldn't get any
tougher in how he plays for the city, a tough
city of Buffalo. So I think the fans actually hear
that and they are okay with it in the standpoint
of you could sell me a.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Bunch of woop tickets. Gee, Gotti sucks. I'm trying. I'm
out here, but then maybe not play that way.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
But I think they get to see him night and
night out, every Sunday, every Thursday, every Monday, and he's
playing all out, so they don't question that from their leader.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And I think that's a good thing with the fans. Now.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
I think what we heard was approach. He just got married,
he's obviously a little older than he was when he
first got it, and I think he's answering it from
a broader approach of life, meaning I play so wound
up and tight.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I've been thinking it's all I think about it.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
I can't and it's probably been part of why he
feels let me just go out.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And he talked about it further Raji in it.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
He said, let me just go out and play and
play my absolute hardest, but let the chips fall where
they mean. I can't be so high strung where I'm
thinking of every single play, every single pass. And I
think he's talk about approach. And I had Robert or
talk about this. He wanted the more clutch shooters of
all time as we know, big shot Bob, and he
talked about Man, everybody always asked me what happens? What
goes do your mind? He said, Man, I just let
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that thing fly. Because his point was similar to what
Josh said. He said, Man, I absolutely want to make it.
I want to win this big game. He said, But man,
if I miss it, I'm still me. I'm still the
same player. I still wanted to take the shot. I
just missed it, and I'm you know, and what life's
gonna go on?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
And I think.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Josh for breaking news. Life is going to go on
whether you win or not. But I think ain't breaking news.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
But it's an approach.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Some people play too tight, and you see that.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
We all know.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Nobody's asking him about playing too tight. And just the
idea for him to honestly say that nothing would change
if he won a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Do you really believe that if he won a super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (06:58):
And that's what I'm he's take it from, does it
change his life?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Does it does his life change?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'm asking you, does this life change if he wins
a super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
He says, he said it wouldn't change. So that's why what.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
I'm saying, he's trying to answer philosophically from a humanistic standpoint,
not talking football.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Come on, man, nobody's talking about your wife and your
family and the existence of life. It's about football. It's
about winning. It's why you play. That's all I'm saying.
Nobody's asking him to be a philosopher. No, that's not
what we're asking you about. What is the essence of life?
What will happen to the atmosphere if you win a
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Super Bowl? Will the sky turn black? Will it be
sunny for the next forty years? Nobody's asking him that
it's just about winning and winning a Super Bowl, which
is the reason you play.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's a simple and that's why I say there's one answer,
and he answered it wrong.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
And that's why I would disagree because I think for him,
what he's realizing is operating what truly matters in his
life may help him on the field, as opposed to
having his priority.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Is it not being so high strung.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
That's what I gathered from that, saying, Man, let me
go out there and ball out and do what I
do and understand that I don't have to be like
my life is over because I didn't win.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
And I think he's trying.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
He's separating the two and that's why he's given getting
to this place in his life and his career. But
I never you can't watch him if you're a Buffalo
Bills fan every single play, never question does he out
there getting.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Nobody says that that. It wasn't a question about effort,
it was about winning. It's a big difference, but nobody
had answer. If I had no answer to the test,
then I would a to test. That's what he if
I already what's it gonna take to win? What's it
gonna take to win? All it's gonna take?
Speaker 6 (08:47):
He I'm going out there, I'm trying to win every
year and none of y'all think I'm not. So how
can I answer, what's it gonna take to win this year?
I don't know me doing it. I'm doing the same thing.
I'm trying every week every year, and eventually, like you said,
we're gonna crack that thing. If we'll crack it this year,
we're gonna crack it next year. What else can he say? Well,
I'm gonna go out there and give it my best player.
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Speaker 5 (09:51):
ESPN, as I would say, did a full feature on
these Miami Dolphins, and the point of it was apparently
last season they had what they would call a culture
problem in Miami, specifically as it relates to at least
two of their on the record star players, one of
them being Jalen Ramsey who got traded. One of them
with Tyreek Hill, who asked to be traded ultimately was not,
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and according to an anonymous player who was on that team,
I don't think he's on this current team. He said
that Dolphins players, specifically those two and other players on
the team had a quote lack of respect from Mike McDaniel.
In fact, that player went on record as saying that
McDaniel trying to be open and vulnerable and being a
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player's coach and allowing guys to come late and miss
meetings or skip meetings and only get fined but never
really get reprimanded in the media or reprimanded in front
of the team, according to that player, was misconstrued as
him being quote soft. So all the things he was
doing when they were winning, no problem. They started losing.
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The walls are caving in on Mike McDaniel big time.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
And to me, this is a couple of examples.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
To me, Rob, of while coaching is not a one
size fit all thing, and I think he's learning the
hard way. So when you're coaching these guys, first of all, Rob,
if your team is set up with captains of Tyreek
Hill and Jalen Ramsey and those are you know, maybe two,
three or four captains, you're in for a bad situation.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
And a couple of reasons why.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Your captains are supposed to be the ones that set
the tone right, the guys who are there that are
working the hardest, and when we read this report, they're
not ro Not only are they maybe showing up to
meetings a little late.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Okay, I can understand things happen.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
They're missing meetings or just flat out leaving meetings or
leaving practice. You got multiple guys doing that. Tyreek Hill
is the same guy that's sending out flirtations. I want
to go back to Kansas City. I don't want to
be here. Trade me and these guys are supposed to
be your leaders. And one of the things that when
you're being a coach you have to understand is I'm
a manager of personalities and I have to manage like
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this with this guy. I gotta be hard on this guy.
This guy works hard and all he needs is a
pat on the back. This guy, I ain't gotta say
much because he here to play, he's here to practice,
he's here to perform, and you have to be feeling,
you know, being able to manage those personalities. He came
in being the cool guy, being the funny guy, and
trying to be the players coach, and it seems as
though it's backfired where they're treating him like little bru
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he's already a small guy, he's already young, and from
this report, they're treating him like little bruh, ignoring him,
they have no respect for him. And you know what
makes it worse, Robin, We talk about this all the time.
When he won twenty of his first thirty three games
and was making the postseason and putting a seventy piece
on people's.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Heads, it was all right.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
But now that he's losing, and now that the team
is struggling, they tune them out. They're not listening. And
this is the challenge when you're trying to overly be
a friend coach player friendly coach. You gotta set the
tone first. You have to set the expectation first. You
have to set the standard first, and then you can
scale back. You can scale back then and again, I
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think this is what's happening. He's getting backfired on on
trying to be too cool, trying to be too hip,
coming in wearing you know, look at me, look at that,
and not that they're losing, and because they don't have
the respect for him. This is what he's dealing with,
and he might ultimately lose his job. Here we were
just talking about Deshaun foster. He might be in the
same situation, whether it be today or over the next
game or two.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Here's mony issue, and I just think this is what happens.
It's easy to throw arrows once things go bad. And
he was a younger, hipper coach. This is why they thought. So.
Now you're saying, basically, he was getting credit for being
able to relate to younger players because he's younger and
not a sixty five year old man set in his
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ways and it was working. Now, I'm not saying he's
a great coach or any of that, but now to
use that against him after he did have success, and
he did have a seventy piece at one point, they
would call him a boy genius. It's easy for people
to when things go bad, that's when people come out
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of the woodworks, and now they're going to point out
all the laws and everything.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
It just comes with the territory.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I don't think that that means that he's not the
same guy, or his style doesn't work, or if you're
winning and you're doing that, winning covers up everything.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
It's like makeup. I say it all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
If you win, you can get away with everything, right,
You get away with calling people out and being gruff
and and and all that. Bill Belichick did it right,
and as soon as things didn't go that way, Oh
they're tuning him out.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
He's been around too long.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Or Greg Popovich, same thing, you know, when he was
winning in those championships. But yeah, now he's old and
now people are tired of hearing pop and he's outdated.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Do you see what I'm saying? Like it's the same guy,
Just things change.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And so I don't know if I could put it
all on McDaniel and say that it's it's his fault
or he's the one, or he's the reason, and I'm
not exolving him, not at all, because that's how you're judged.
We talked all the time, wins and losses. That's how
you judge it, whether it's your fault or not. When
players perform right, you get credit for that, and when
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they don't perform, you get blame.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's the same way. If I'm going to give you
a new contract.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Because you won twenty of your first thirty three games right,
and the players performed then did what you asked them
to do, then I'm gonna have to let I'm to
let you go when you lose your life, you know,
ten of your last thirteen and you look bad doing it.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Here's here's where I.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
I understand what you're saying. But the challenge I have
is one of the things that I think you have
to come in there and do is one thing that's
factual to me and anything.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
It's set accountability.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
When you read this report, is that guys have been
running them up from day one. It's just they It
just they were talented. Tyreek Hill comes straight off to
I want to prove everybody wrong. Kansas City doesn't want
to sign me. Remember he talked, oh two is better
than Patrick Mahomes. And he's going crazy with with the
with the offense and the receiving yards and all of that.
So it looks good. But the problem is when you
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don't have accountability. When you don't have you're not holding
those leaders to those standards. And they and maybe that's
some GM too. They're calling for Grier to they're flying
for their turn real quick. They're flying airplanes round that
have fire uh Grier as well the general manage. So so
maybe he brought in the wrong guys coupled with it,
so he's not exolted of this as well, But go ahead, w.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
You talked about team captain some most of the time
those are voted on by players. Players didn't vote Tyreek
Kill team captain. That's not that's usually the locker room
and the players, not the coach.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
So and so I said, the coach has to hold
those players.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
I can't have my star player when you read this,
I can't have my star players Rob leaving practice, not
showing up to meetings, and even Tyreek Hill even that minute,
he said, well, I'm on time this time this year.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I missed no practice this year. I've been on time
everything this year.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Yeah, well, you creating a toxic coature where guys are
taking this year as we always saw, talk about this
the best of the best. You know, if i'm if
I'm a middlely player and I see Lamar Jackson is
the first two here practicing harder, watching films, I'm like, oh, shoot,
if Lamar doing it, I know I gotta do it.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
We already know the late great Kobe Bryant. They're setting
a standard.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
And if you're letting guys you know, the the uh
you know the guy the prisoners running asylum run the prison,
then then this is what you get toxicity and it
ends up happening. We've seen where they they just had
a player's only meeting after week one, Rob, you know
it's all bad and you know things aren't good when
after week everybody.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Anybody would say about a guy like Pop or or
somebody like that before he stepped down, did Pop hadn't
won in like ten years or whatever?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And people will just bring up I hope you I hope.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
My point is, I hope is that it's easy to
say that after when things go bad.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I'm just saying winning changes the way you love.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
No, no, no, and I'm gonna give you Terry Francona
in Boston, they won World Series and then all of
a sudden they became the Chicken and Biscuits guys and
drinking beer and all that in the clubhouse, right, and
then Terry wound up getting fired and then he was
running a loose ship. No, he was running a loose
ship with the Chicken and the Biscuits in the video
game when they were winning championships too. But once they
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started losing, then all of a sudden, that ain't cool.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And that's all My point is. I'm not trying to
make it, coach.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Let me go back to your pop. Sure, you brought
up pop, and I think the difference is pop. We
know what the Spurs way was. We all know what
that is. You brought up Bill Belchick, the Patriots way.
You look at Sean McVay. Sean McVay has proven whether
it's Jared Goff, whether it's Matthew Stafford, I've had you know,
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I've been around that organization a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
They have a way about them. And that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
You have to create some type of systematic way, some
type of culture and excy. And I think Michael McDaniel
does not have that right now, and you can't have
it where your players don't.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Like I just I just think I'm just gonna be
when you have unnamed people talking about respect and all
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I'm just saying it's easy to say that when you lose.
That's all I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Be careful not to take that stuff as gospel, because
things have.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Turned bad and when you lose people, this is what
people do. That's evidence. That's my only part.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Here's the evidence too.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
If they Buffalo to Night, then what would be your
like said they beat Buffalo Okay, they turn the season around,
then then what has happened? Have they got respect for him? Now,
I'm just saying then it would be one, oh, they
just won.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
So here's the thing that we have. The evidence is
in the reason why they traded Jaylen Ramsey. They got
rid of him because they according to the former players,
former coaches, former people within the organization, he was toxic
to that locker room. The reason why they Tyree care
Love being a captain talks it to that locker room.
The reason why they had to have a player's only
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meeting in Getro gay one.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
So we have evidence. This isn't just losing.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Andy Reid could end up going six and eleven this season,
you know, and none of us would necessarily question that.
You can have other teams that have You're not gonna
win every year. Winning is not that's not that's not it.
But you can't have you can't be bad.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I'm just saying every question argument to you is just
I think it's it's very easy to just point out
stuff once you start losing that that that's all.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I think you gotta be very careful with that. It's
an easy way out for the players to not take
accountability or blame that they haven't played up to expectations.
You're it's easy to point to one guy rather than
the look around the room.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I'm not Mike McDaniel doesn't do anything for me in
a positive way or a negative way. I don't think
he's the greatest coach since Light's bread. But I can
tell you this, players do this all the time. As
somebody who's covered sports for a long time is to
take the blame away from them.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
That's all they Yeah, it's the coach. Oh yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Doesn't do this, he doesn't do that. No, maybe you
don't tackle right, maybe you don't catch third down throws.
Maybe you know what I mean. Like, there's a there's
a responsibility that comes from the players as well.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
I heard that, and I don't disagree with that, but
I definitely think it's his responsibility to call them out
about that. And that's another thing they talk about is
that he never did that. He only find them and
they all used to laugh at the fines that he
would post up uh on the on you know about
guys who were like guys who weren't doing this, Guys
who weren't doing that.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
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Speaker 1 (21:51):
But Rob g we got big news today in Major
League Baseball, and the Dodgers made did the right thing
in announcing it because h one of their legendary pictures,
and they've had many in this organization's history, is calling
it quit.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Now you beat your nice Robin. I'm really upset about
this news. You know why?
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Why is the personal reason. We had just recorded the
Inside the Parker MLB podcast. It had gone live yea
seven minutes before this news came down. So now we
look dated and we looked like you don't know what
we're doing because Clayton Kershaw had to get this news
out at two o seven Empacific.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
You're right, I thought you knew you were gonna do it.
Why did you do it in the morning?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Do it?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
He should have done it in the morning for the
East coast. Do it released?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
But an even spectful to you man, how much you
know you've you've you've been dealing with him over the years.
He should have did that for you, Rob part he
should have threw you that out of you. He should
have matter of fact, broke you with you exclusive Rob,
you know what I mean. You've been covering baseball since
Moby Dick was a guppy, and I'm gonna break this
news with you first.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I've always been a big fan of MLB bro dot com.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
And you know, even though I even though I needed
to know, y'all wouldn't let me know, I've still been
a fan.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But yeah, you mentioned that.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Clayton Kershaw has announced that at the end of this
twenty twenty five Dodger season, he will be retiring from
the game of baseball. Clayton Kershaw, of course, twenty fourteen
and l MVP two hundred and twenty two victories, second
only to Don Sutton in Dodgers franchise history. In July,
became the twentieth pitcher in baseball history to accumulate three
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thousand career strikeouts. Here's the best one. His two point
five to four era the lowest of any pitcher in
the live ball era. Clayton Kershaw flat out stood.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
No doubt, the best picture of our generation. There's no
doubt about it. Has done everything you could do. Wanted
to only wear the Dodgers' uniform. They have been the
last couple of years. Kelvin, you know this where they
thought he was going to play for the Texas Rangers.
He's from outside of Dallas, and they figured that he would,
you know, call a career. A lot of great pictures
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have gone on to play somewhere else, and he didn't
want to do that. He wanted to be a Dodger
and that and the Dodgers allowed him, even through his
struggles and all the injuries or whatever, to still remain.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
And this right here makes sense to me at this time.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
And the Dodgers make this announcement because he's starting tomorrow
night against the Giants, and.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
That that's the reason.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
You know, they wanted to make sure people wanted to
be there that could be And you don't know how
the playoffs work out, who's starting, you know, if they
get knocked out, if they're in a wild card. You
don't know if you'll ever get to pitch a Dodger
state him again. The only thing they're sure of is
that he's going to start tomorrow night.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
One, correct, Robert, I remember I was on the I
did pre and post game last Saturday, and he was pitching.
I believe that he pitched that day and we were
talking about it on the air.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
It was it was he was pitching that that we
kept saying about how this could be his last time
up in the Bay Area. This could be the last time,
because you know, to your point, just you gotta appreciate
these moments for a guy that legendary. And I like
that they said that because you never know the injuries,
you never know a thing how things go. This might
be his last one tomorrow, So you're right about that.
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Gun to announce that now.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But now when we look at his career, Okay, curse
Shaw for a long time struggling in the postseason. He did,
and he finally broke through in twenty twenty when they
won the COVID Championship in Arlington. I was there. I
covered that with fourteen thousand people. You know, it had
to be weird, yep, And it was very weird. And
they did win the World Series finally, but he pitched
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well in that series. He didn't play last year when
the Dodgers beat the Yankees in the World Series in
twenty twenty four, so he has two World Series rings,
but he did get the one you know, in twenty
twenty and now so people always thinking about But he
had a great regular season career. And then the flip
side would be Eli Manning, who and I'm not saying
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he had terror Well, he was the greatest quarterback during
the regular season, but he top ten in touchdowns and
completions top ten.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
But the question would be which career would you rather have?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And of course Eli came through big time, beat the
Patriots and Tom Brady twice, MVP twice.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I mean he excelled.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I mean being at the eighteen and old Patriots team, right,
I mean that was huge, That's legendary. He has two
signature throws in that would you rather have Clayton Kershaw's
total body of work which includes championships but a lot
of failure though in the postseason leading up to that championship,
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but spectacular regular seasons or good regular seasons and great
postseason Like Eli Manning?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Where are you?
Speaker 6 (26:49):
I thought about this when you know we were coming
up with this, because they both have kind of the
other thing. Eli, You almost think of nothing else but
a couple of clutch throws, you know what I mean?
So when you think of him, immediately go to the
great things, where unfortunately, for some people, not a lot,
and I don't think it's the vast majority, but for
some when they think of Clayton Kershaw, they might think
of seventh innings, like, oh God, so he comes to
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seventh inning.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Think of some of those bad home runs he gave up.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And that's what I'm saying. A lot of that was
seventh inning.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
But I thought about it, and I'm going with Clayton
Kershaw for a couple of reasons. Rob Number one, the
chance for you to be deemed many might say the
best of your era, or some might even say the
best of the last you know, fifty years or what
have you, and that generation for sure. And you think
of the guys in his duration, the Schurzers and the
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Verlanders and depending on you know what, how far back
we go. But there's a handful of other guys that
could be considered in his generation.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
That's a compliment of the utmost for him.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
So I'd rather have Clayton Kershaw, where I'm absolutely considered
one of the best of all time, and a sport
that's been around for like one hundred and fifty sixty
years and that is a huge accomplishment.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Also, you and I talk about this.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
There's the one benefit baseball players have and then is
that we don't necessarily deem winning has to be associated
with you. Right, If you're Mike Trout for dag near
a decade, he was the best player.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, this teams won winning normally, You're right.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
The only thing is and that's usually with like position
pitch players like a Barry Bonds who can't pitch, so
you can't blame him when when the Giants couldn't hold
the lead in the world.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Kershaw's different because he's the pitcher and he could pitch
a no hitter, he could pitch a complete game.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
He could stemy the other team and win the game.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Little.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I will grant you, right, normally, normally with a position player.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
But the only reason so I will grant you that.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
But the other part of it is I could pitch
amazing six and then the bullpen, as we've seen the
Dodgers do for the last two three weeks, bullpen blow
it up as well and give it up. So it's
just difficult in baseball because we don't have to hold
you to that standard of you know, you won seventeen championships,
but I'm going Clayton Kerscharld to be considered one of
the best ever at Something is an amazing feat And
I got to be privy a part of multiple World
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Series appearances, but specifically two wins and titles.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I just think that's remarkable.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
And he's kind of been one of those guys you
never question is his will, You never questioned his desire.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
He gives you it is all and that's been part
of his makeup.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
And I think he's enjoyed the ride the last go
round to kind of be the guy who'd help the
young guys up. I can help the walker Buelers who
came up clutch for them to get that win last season.
I can help these guys out, these young guys. I
could be a part of that and kind of change
his attitude because you know, he's been known for being
a little tightly wound when it comes to his start
days and all those kinds of things. So at the
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end of it, give me the guy who had one
of the greatest careers ever at Something. The heart one
of the hardest positions in all the sports, and I
have two World Series rings to boot.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I'm gonna take that.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, I mean, I get it in Clerkshaw's numbers, and
you were talking about the bullpen blowing it, but his
he alays four point.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Four to nine.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It ain't good.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I mean, you couldn't be any worse than that, you know,
and which is way higher than his two five four lifetime.
Imagine that from four two five four regular season of
four point four to nine, so it's a big jump,
and his playoff record is only thirteen and thirteen.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
He's a much better picture than that.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yes, but it would be hard for me to argue
as great as Eli's moments were, and they were great.
I mean to throw to Manningham the ti H David
Tyree helmet thing, and that wasn't even a win the
game winner, you know. He also had to throw the
ball of Plexico here to win the game. So as
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as great as those moments were, it's hard to pick
Eli in this moment because of that. But but Eli
makes a strong case from the standpoint of the Patriots
were undefeated.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
He beat that team. A lot of people, not me,
considered you know.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Uh uh, Tom Brady to beat the goat, he beat
Tom Brady twice, you know what I mean, Like during
that time when Tom Brady had that nine year drought,
it was because of Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
So but the overall it would be different.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I think we would have a different conversation because if
Kershaw didn't win twenty twenty and I'm not counting last
year because he didn't pitch right, right, but if he
didn't win twenty twenty, I would have taken Eli.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
And I get that because he had some huge moments.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
He even came out the bullpen in twenty twenty, uh
basically doing whatever they wanted.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
No, he did, he did his thing, he did, he won,
just whatever they want.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
To get my point though, right, if he didn't win that,
you know what Eli was able to do in those
moments was incredible.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
And you know what else to me would also to
add to Clay Kershaw.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
I do think that's the beauty of his journey was
that it wasn't easy. I didn't just walk right in
and win a bunch of championships, and you know, I
wasn't maybe that part of that ninety six run with
the Yankees where we just boom boom, boom boom. We
ran out four straight and like he had great performances,
horrible performances, things you wish you had back, the ups,
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the downs, you know, going to the World Series and losing,
you got the whole Houston trashtros oops, I mean Astro's thing.
And so like, that's part of the beauty of twenty
twenty for him being participating and being participatory in that win,
and then even twenty twenty four, just like, look at
the culmination. Now I'm the old wilely vet getting to
be around these young guys and mentor them up. So
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I think the full ride, the full spectrum of a
professional career is also what Clayton Kershaw had
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Rob g.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
We talked about the Monday Night Football and there was
a conversation with Josh Allen, of course, the reigning MVP
in the National Football League, and he had some comments
that were very interesting.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
So for the last few years now, it seems like
every off season or at the conclusion of every regular season,
the conversation to Josh Allen the Buffalo Bills is always
is this the year? Is this the year you're gonna
finally break through? You can finally get in that super
You've been knocking on the door for so long, You're
finally gonna get there. Right. A porter asked him about
it earlier this week once again, and this time, apparently,
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according to ESPN, Josh Allen seemed exasperated because he rolled
his eyes and then he said, I think if I
knew how to get over that hump, we've ever gotten over.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That hump already.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
And then later on they're discussing his whole, you know,
reception in Buffalo and his mindset. Everyone's talking about he's
more at ease, he's more comfortable, he just got married.
His perspective on life has totally changed. And he said
something that got Rob Parker's panties all in a bunch,
double bunch. Here's what he said talking to double bunches.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
But we won't go there.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
How life away from football has changed his perspective on things.
Here we go quote. It's never been a goal of
mine to win the MVP. If anything's been to win
Super Bowl MVP. I think that's the better of the
two awards anyway, Make no mistake, it's a cool honor.
Really do appreciate it, but it doesn't change my life.
Doesn't change you who I am, and to that point,
it probably when he was a Super Bowl wouldn't change
who I am or to find my life either. But
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it is something the city's wanted for a long time,
and it feel like I can help be a piece
that brings it here. Something it's very important for excuse me.
It's more important to me than a singular trophy.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
All right, there was one right answer and he gave
the wrong one. Playing and simple.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Of course, I want to win a super Bowl for
the city.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
No one's just saying it's going to change you and
you're gonna be some different person and turn into something
this or that.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It's such an easy answer.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Hey, this is a great football town, Buffalo, man, they
had great teams back in the nineties. Couldn't get there.
More than anything I ever want to do, I would
love to win a championship for the city. All the
other stuff about him and changing him, and I'm happy
to win the MVP. Nobody really, no, most people would
(02:49):
tell you this is why you play. Okay, we talk
about it all the time, all the accolades. If Aaron
Judge wins another MVP, none of it, none of it. Okay,
Aaron Judge knows. What does he want to do? Kelvin,
he wants to win a World Series for the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I just think that's an easy answer, And I think
that was the easy answer in that case, is to
just forget about This isn't about me. How about if
you're a fan and you were listening and that question
was asked, and he said, dude, this isn't about me.
This is about this great city of Buffalo and this
storied football tradition in the National Football League, and the
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idea that I'm here and I have a chance to
try to finally get this city to where it belongs
or give it a memory that they'll never forget. Like
that's all people want to hear about. Nobody's trying to
say you're gonna oh, it's not gonna change me if
I well, because basically, you know what that sounds like.
It's kind of like a cop out, like, well, I
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don't have to win one to be this or that.
I don't think Charles Barkley played his NBA career with
the idea of well, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I don't have to He wanted to win.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I think everybody wants to win, and so I just
when I heard that, it just sounded like a cop
out to me, like a, well, you know, whether I
win or I don't win, I'm not gonna be a
different person.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Okay, thanks, thanks for coming.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Yeah, so here's where I push back and get your
sentiment right. Just yo, I'm doing this for Buffalo. Always
love football, love the city.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
We mean the word. I get that.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
A couple of things happen here, in my opinion, Number one,
starting with the obvious.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
To Robgi's point, he's tired of it.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Probably Lamar Jackson's probably given another two years or so,
justin Herbert will be.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Tired of when are you gonna win? When are you
gonna break through?
Speaker 6 (04:38):
So I think we initially heard the fatigue of that question,
because I don't think anyone asked himselves that question more
than he asked himself.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
But here's where I'm wanna break it down a little
bit further.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
So you were talking about, you know, showing that you
want to do it, showing that you're all in and
telling them that. Well, I think he has shown the
city of Buffalo that with this play, the man literally
the team. No, it is exactly all him. He does
everything for that team. He dives over the place, he's
jumping over stuff, he's putting his way, body in harms, way,
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he's playing through injuries. I mean, he couldn't get any
tougher in how he plays for the city, a tough
city of Buffalo. So I think the fans actually hear
that and they are okay with it in the standpoint
of you could sell me a.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Bunch of woop tickets. Gee, Gotti sucks. I'm trying. I'm
out here, but then maybe not play that way.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
But I think they get to see him night and
night out, every Sunday, every Thursday, every Monday, and he's
playing all out, so they don't question that from their leader.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And I think that's a good thing with the fans. Now.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
I think what we heard was approach. He just got married,
he's obviously a little older than he was when he
first got it, and I think he's answering it from
a broader approach of life, meaning I play so wound
up and tight.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I've been thinking it's all I think about it.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
I can't and it's probably been part of why he
feels let me just go out.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And he talked about it further Raji in it.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
He said, let me just go out and play and
play my absolute hardest, but let the chips fall where
they mean. I can't be so high strung where I'm
thinking of every single play, every single pass. And I
think he's talk about approach. And I had Robert or
talk about this. He wanted the more clutch shooters of
all time as we know, big shot Bob, and he
talked about Man, everybody always asked me what happens? What
goes do your mind? He said, Man, I just let
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that thing fly. Because his point was similar to what
Josh said. He said, Man, I absolutely want to make it.
I want to win this big game. He said, But man,
if I miss it, I'm still me. I'm still the
same player. I still wanted to take the shot. I
just missed it, and I'm you know, and what life's
gonna go on?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
And I think.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Josh for breaking news. Life is going to go on
whether you win or not. But I think ain't breaking news.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
But it's an approach.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Some people play too tight, and you see that.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
We all know.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Nobody's asking him about playing too tight. And just the
idea for him to honestly say that nothing would change
if he won a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Do you really believe that if he won a super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (06:58):
And that's what I'm he's take it from, does it
change his life?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Does it does his life change?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'm asking you, does this life change if he wins
a super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
He says, he said it wouldn't change. So that's why what.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
I'm saying, he's trying to answer philosophically from a humanistic standpoint,
not talking football.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Come on, man, nobody's talking about your wife and your
family and the existence of life. It's about football. It's
about winning. It's why you play. That's all I'm saying.
Nobody's asking him to be a philosopher. No, that's not
what we're asking you about. What is the essence of life?
What will happen to the atmosphere if you win a
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Super Bowl? Will the sky turn black? Will it be
sunny for the next forty years? Nobody's asking him that
it's just about winning and winning a Super Bowl, which
is the reason you play.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's a simple and that's why I say there's one answer,
and he answered it wrong.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
And that's why I would disagree because I think for him,
what he's realizing is operating what truly matters in his
life may help him on the field, as opposed to
having his priority.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Is it not being so high strung.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
That's what I gathered from that, saying, Man, let me
go out there and ball out and do what I
do and understand that I don't have to be like
my life is over because I didn't win.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
And I think he's trying.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
He's separating the two and that's why he's given getting
to this place in his life and his career. But
I never you can't watch him if you're a Buffalo
Bills fan every single play, never question does he out
there getting.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Nobody says that that. It wasn't a question about effort,
it was about winning. It's a big difference, but nobody
had answer. If I had no answer to the test,
then I would a to test. That's what he if
I already what's it gonna take to win? What's it
gonna take to win? All it's gonna take?
Speaker 6 (08:47):
He I'm going out there, I'm trying to win every
year and none of y'all think I'm not. So how
can I answer, what's it gonna take to win this year?
I don't know me doing it. I'm doing the same thing.
I'm trying every week every year, and eventually, like you said,
we're gonna crack that thing. If we'll crack it this year,
we're gonna crack it next year. What else can he say? Well,
I'm gonna go out there and give it my best player.
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Speaker 5 (09:51):
ESPN, as I would say, did a full feature on
these Miami Dolphins, and the point of it was apparently
last season they had what they would call a culture
problem in Miami, specifically as it relates to at least
two of their on the record star players, one of
them being Jalen Ramsey who got traded. One of them
with Tyreek Hill, who asked to be traded ultimately was not,
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and according to an anonymous player who was on that team,
I don't think he's on this current team. He said
that Dolphins players, specifically those two and other players on
the team had a quote lack of respect from Mike McDaniel.
In fact, that player went on record as saying that
McDaniel trying to be open and vulnerable and being a
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player's coach and allowing guys to come late and miss
meetings or skip meetings and only get fined but never
really get reprimanded in the media or reprimanded in front
of the team, according to that player, was misconstrued as
him being quote soft. So all the things he was
doing when they were winning, no problem. They started losing.
(10:51):
The walls are caving in on Mike McDaniel big time.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
And to me, this is a couple of examples.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
To me, Rob, of while coaching is not a one
size fit all thing, and I think he's learning the
hard way. So when you're coaching these guys, first of all, Rob,
if your team is set up with captains of Tyreek
Hill and Jalen Ramsey and those are you know, maybe two,
three or four captains, you're in for a bad situation.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
And a couple of reasons why.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Your captains are supposed to be the ones that set
the tone right, the guys who are there that are
working the hardest, and when we read this report, they're
not ro Not only are they maybe showing up to
meetings a little late.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Okay, I can understand things happen.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
They're missing meetings or just flat out leaving meetings or
leaving practice. You got multiple guys doing that. Tyreek Hill
is the same guy that's sending out flirtations. I want
to go back to Kansas City. I don't want to
be here. Trade me and these guys are supposed to
be your leaders. And one of the things that when
you're being a coach you have to understand is I'm
a manager of personalities and I have to manage like
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this with this guy. I gotta be hard on this guy.
This guy works hard and all he needs is a
pat on the back. This guy, I ain't gotta say
much because he here to play, he's here to practice,
he's here to perform, and you have to be feeling,
you know, being able to manage those personalities. He came
in being the cool guy, being the funny guy, and
trying to be the players coach, and it seems as
though it's backfired where they're treating him like little bru
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he's already a small guy, he's already young, and from
this report, they're treating him like little bruh, ignoring him,
they have no respect for him. And you know what
makes it worse, Robin, We talk about this all the time.
When he won twenty of his first thirty three games
and was making the postseason and putting a seventy piece
on people's.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Heads, it was all right.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
But now that he's losing, and now that the team
is struggling, they tune them out. They're not listening. And
this is the challenge when you're trying to overly be
a friend coach player friendly coach. You gotta set the
tone first. You have to set the expectation first. You
have to set the standard first, and then you can
scale back. You can scale back then and again, I
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think this is what's happening. He's getting backfired on on
trying to be too cool, trying to be too hip,
coming in wearing you know, look at me, look at that,
and not that they're losing, and because they don't have
the respect for him. This is what he's dealing with,
and he might ultimately lose his job. Here we were
just talking about Deshaun foster. He might be in the
same situation, whether it be today or over the next
game or two.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Here's mony issue, and I just think this is what happens.
It's easy to throw arrows once things go bad. And
he was a younger, hipper coach. This is why they thought. So.
Now you're saying, basically, he was getting credit for being
able to relate to younger players because he's younger and
not a sixty five year old man set in his
(13:36):
ways and it was working. Now, I'm not saying he's
a great coach or any of that, but now to
use that against him after he did have success, and
he did have a seventy piece at one point, they
would call him a boy genius. It's easy for people
to when things go bad, that's when people come out
(13:57):
of the woodworks, and now they're going to point out
all the laws and everything.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
It just comes with the territory.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I don't think that that means that he's not the
same guy, or his style doesn't work, or if you're
winning and you're doing that, winning covers up everything.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
It's like makeup. I say it all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
If you win, you can get away with everything, right,
You get away with calling people out and being gruff
and and and all that. Bill Belichick did it right,
and as soon as things didn't go that way, Oh
they're tuning him out.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
He's been around too long.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Or Greg Popovich, same thing, you know, when he was
winning in those championships. But yeah, now he's old and
now people are tired of hearing pop and he's outdated.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Do you see what I'm saying? Like it's the same guy,
Just things change.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And so I don't know if I could put it
all on McDaniel and say that it's it's his fault
or he's the one, or he's the reason, and I'm
not exolving him, not at all, because that's how you're judged.
We talked all the time, wins and losses. That's how
you judge it, whether it's your fault or not. When
players perform right, you get credit for that, and when
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they don't perform, you get blame.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's the same way. If I'm going to give you
a new contract.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Because you won twenty of your first thirty three games right,
and the players performed then did what you asked them
to do, then I'm gonna have to let I'm to
let you go when you lose your life, you know,
ten of your last thirteen and you look bad doing it.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Here's here's where I.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
I understand what you're saying. But the challenge I have
is one of the things that I think you have
to come in there and do is one thing that's
factual to me and anything.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
It's set accountability.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
When you read this report, is that guys have been
running them up from day one. It's just they It
just they were talented. Tyreek Hill comes straight off to
I want to prove everybody wrong. Kansas City doesn't want
to sign me. Remember he talked, oh two is better
than Patrick Mahomes. And he's going crazy with with the
with the offense and the receiving yards and all of that.
So it looks good. But the problem is when you
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don't have accountability. When you don't have you're not holding
those leaders to those standards. And they and maybe that's
some GM too. They're calling for Grier to they're flying
for their turn real quick. They're flying airplanes round that
have fire uh Grier as well the general manage. So so
maybe he brought in the wrong guys coupled with it,
so he's not exolted of this as well, But go ahead, w.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
You talked about team captain some most of the time
those are voted on by players. Players didn't vote Tyreek
Kill team captain. That's not that's usually the locker room
and the players, not the coach.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
So and so I said, the coach has to hold
those players.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
I can't have my star player when you read this,
I can't have my star players Rob leaving practice, not
showing up to meetings, and even Tyreek Hill even that minute,
he said, well, I'm on time this time this year.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I missed no practice this year. I've been on time
everything this year.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Yeah, well, you creating a toxic coature where guys are
taking this year as we always saw, talk about this
the best of the best. You know, if i'm if
I'm a middlely player and I see Lamar Jackson is
the first two here practicing harder, watching films, I'm like, oh, shoot,
if Lamar doing it, I know I gotta do it.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
We already know the late great Kobe Bryant. They're setting
a standard.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
And if you're letting guys you know, the the uh
you know the guy the prisoners running asylum run the prison,
then then this is what you get toxicity and it
ends up happening. We've seen where they they just had
a player's only meeting after week one, Rob, you know
it's all bad and you know things aren't good when
after week everybody.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Anybody would say about a guy like Pop or or
somebody like that before he stepped down, did Pop hadn't
won in like ten years or whatever?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And people will just bring up I hope you I hope.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
My point is, I hope is that it's easy to
say that after when things go bad.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I'm just saying winning changes the way you love.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
No, no, no, and I'm gonna give you Terry Francona
in Boston, they won World Series and then all of
a sudden they became the Chicken and Biscuits guys and
drinking beer and all that in the clubhouse, right, and
then Terry wound up getting fired and then he was
running a loose ship. No, he was running a loose
ship with the Chicken and the Biscuits in the video
game when they were winning championships too. But once they
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started losing, then all of a sudden, that ain't cool.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And that's all My point is. I'm not trying to
make it, coach.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Let me go back to your pop. Sure, you brought
up pop, and I think the difference is pop. We
know what the Spurs way was. We all know what
that is. You brought up Bill Belchick, the Patriots way.
You look at Sean McVay. Sean McVay has proven whether
it's Jared Goff, whether it's Matthew Stafford, I've had you know,
(18:51):
I've been around that organization a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
They have a way about them. And that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
You have to create some type of systematic way, some
type of culture and excy. And I think Michael McDaniel
does not have that right now, and you can't have
it where your players don't.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Like I just I just think I'm just gonna be
when you have unnamed people talking about respect and all
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I'm just saying it's easy to say that when you lose.
That's all I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Be careful not to take that stuff as gospel, because
things have.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Turned bad and when you lose people, this is what
people do. That's evidence. That's my only part.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Here's the evidence too.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
If they Buffalo to Night, then what would be your
like said they beat Buffalo Okay, they turn the season around,
then then what has happened? Have they got respect for him? Now,
I'm just saying then it would be one, oh, they
just won.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
So here's the thing that we have. The evidence is
in the reason why they traded Jaylen Ramsey. They got
rid of him because they according to the former players,
former coaches, former people within the organization, he was toxic
to that locker room. The reason why they Tyree care
Love being a captain talks it to that locker room.
The reason why they had to have a player's only
(20:05):
meeting in Getro gay one.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
So we have evidence. This isn't just losing.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Andy Reid could end up going six and eleven this season,
you know, and none of us would necessarily question that.
You can have other teams that have You're not gonna
win every year. Winning is not that's not that's not it.
But you can't have you can't be bad.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I'm just saying every question argument to you is just
I think it's it's very easy to just point out
stuff once you start losing that that that's all.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I think you gotta be very careful with that. It's
an easy way out for the players to not take
accountability or blame that they haven't played up to expectations.
You're it's easy to point to one guy rather than
the look around the room.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I'm not Mike McDaniel doesn't do anything for me in
a positive way or a negative way. I don't think
he's the greatest coach since Light's bread. But I can
tell you this, players do this all the time. As
somebody who's covered sports for a long time is to
take the blame away from them.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
That's all they Yeah, it's the coach. Oh yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Doesn't do this, he doesn't do that. No, maybe you
don't tackle right, maybe you don't catch third down throws.
Maybe you know what I mean. Like, there's a there's
a responsibility that comes from the players as well.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
I heard that, and I don't disagree with that, but
I definitely think it's his responsibility to call them out
about that. And that's another thing they talk about is
that he never did that. He only find them and
they all used to laugh at the fines that he
would post up uh on the on you know about
guys who were like guys who weren't doing this, Guys
who weren't doing that.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
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Speaker 1 (21:51):
But Rob g we got big news today in Major
League Baseball, and the Dodgers made did the right thing
in announcing it because h one of their legendary pictures,
and they've had many in this organization's history, is calling
it quit.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Now you beat your nice Robin. I'm really upset about
this news. You know why?
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Why is the personal reason. We had just recorded the
Inside the Parker MLB podcast. It had gone live yea
seven minutes before this news came down. So now we
look dated and we looked like you don't know what
we're doing because Clayton Kershaw had to get this news
out at two o seven Empacific.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
You're right, I thought you knew you were gonna do it.
Why did you do it in the morning?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Do it?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
He should have done it in the morning for the
East coast. Do it released?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
But an even spectful to you man, how much you
know you've you've you've been dealing with him over the years.
He should have did that for you, Rob part he
should have threw you that out of you. He should
have matter of fact, broke you with you exclusive Rob,
you know what I mean. You've been covering baseball since
Moby Dick was a guppy, and I'm gonna break this
news with you first.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I've always been a big fan of MLB bro dot com.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
And you know, even though I even though I needed
to know, y'all wouldn't let me know, I've still been
a fan.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But yeah, you mentioned that.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Clayton Kershaw has announced that at the end of this
twenty twenty five Dodger season, he will be retiring from
the game of baseball. Clayton Kershaw, of course, twenty fourteen
and l MVP two hundred and twenty two victories, second
only to Don Sutton in Dodgers franchise history. In July,
became the twentieth pitcher in baseball history to accumulate three
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thousand career strikeouts. Here's the best one. His two point
five to four era the lowest of any pitcher in
the live ball era. Clayton Kershaw flat out stood.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
No doubt, the best picture of our generation. There's no
doubt about it. Has done everything you could do. Wanted
to only wear the Dodgers' uniform. They have been the
last couple of years. Kelvin, you know this where they
thought he was going to play for the Texas Rangers.
He's from outside of Dallas, and they figured that he would,
you know, call a career. A lot of great pictures
(23:55):
have gone on to play somewhere else, and he didn't
want to do that. He wanted to be a Dodger
and that and the Dodgers allowed him, even through his
struggles and all the injuries or whatever, to still remain.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
And this right here makes sense to me at this time.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
And the Dodgers make this announcement because he's starting tomorrow
night against the Giants, and.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
That that's the reason.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
You know, they wanted to make sure people wanted to
be there that could be And you don't know how
the playoffs work out, who's starting, you know, if they
get knocked out, if they're in a wild card. You
don't know if you'll ever get to pitch a Dodger
state him again. The only thing they're sure of is
that he's going to start tomorrow night.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
One, correct, Robert, I remember I was on the I
did pre and post game last Saturday, and he was pitching.
I believe that he pitched that day and we were
talking about it on the air.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
It was it was he was pitching that that we
kept saying about how this could be his last time
up in the Bay Area. This could be the last time,
because you know, to your point, just you gotta appreciate
these moments for a guy that legendary. And I like
that they said that because you never know the injuries,
you never know a thing how things go. This might
be his last one tomorrow, So you're right about that.
(25:10):
Gun to announce that now.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But now when we look at his career, Okay, curse
Shaw for a long time struggling in the postseason. He did,
and he finally broke through in twenty twenty when they
won the COVID Championship in Arlington. I was there. I
covered that with fourteen thousand people. You know, it had
to be weird, yep, And it was very weird. And
they did win the World Series finally, but he pitched
(25:34):
well in that series. He didn't play last year when
the Dodgers beat the Yankees in the World Series in
twenty twenty four, so he has two World Series rings,
but he did get the one you know, in twenty
twenty and now so people always thinking about But he
had a great regular season career. And then the flip
side would be Eli Manning, who and I'm not saying
(25:59):
he had terror Well, he was the greatest quarterback during
the regular season, but he top ten in touchdowns and
completions top ten.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
But the question would be which career would you rather have?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And of course Eli came through big time, beat the
Patriots and Tom Brady twice, MVP twice.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I mean he excelled.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I mean being at the eighteen and old Patriots team, right,
I mean that was huge, That's legendary. He has two
signature throws in that would you rather have Clayton Kershaw's
total body of work which includes championships but a lot
of failure though in the postseason leading up to that championship,
(26:39):
but spectacular regular seasons or good regular seasons and great
postseason Like Eli Manning?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Where are you?
Speaker 6 (26:49):
I thought about this when you know we were coming
up with this, because they both have kind of the
other thing. Eli, You almost think of nothing else but
a couple of clutch throws, you know what I mean?
So when you think of him, immediately go to the
great things, where unfortunately, for some people, not a lot,
and I don't think it's the vast majority, but for
some when they think of Clayton Kershaw, they might think
of seventh innings, like, oh God, so he comes to
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seventh inning.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Think of some of those bad home runs he gave up.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And that's what I'm saying. A lot of that was
seventh inning.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
But I thought about it, and I'm going with Clayton
Kershaw for a couple of reasons. Rob Number one, the
chance for you to be deemed many might say the
best of your era, or some might even say the
best of the last you know, fifty years or what
have you, and that generation for sure. And you think
of the guys in his duration, the Schurzers and the
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Verlanders and depending on you know what, how far back
we go. But there's a handful of other guys that
could be considered in his generation.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
That's a compliment of the utmost for him.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
So I'd rather have Clayton Kershaw, where I'm absolutely considered
one of the best of all time, and a sport
that's been around for like one hundred and fifty sixty
years and that is a huge accomplishment.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Also, you and I talk about this.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
There's the one benefit baseball players have and then is
that we don't necessarily deem winning has to be associated
with you. Right, If you're Mike Trout for dag near
a decade, he was the best player.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, this teams won winning normally, You're right.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
The only thing is and that's usually with like position
pitch players like a Barry Bonds who can't pitch, so
you can't blame him when when the Giants couldn't hold
the lead in the world.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Kershaw's different because he's the pitcher and he could pitch
a no hitter, he could pitch a complete game.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
He could stemy the other team and win the game.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Little.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I will grant you, right, normally, normally with a position player.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
But the only reason so I will grant you that.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
But the other part of it is I could pitch
amazing six and then the bullpen, as we've seen the
Dodgers do for the last two three weeks, bullpen blow
it up as well and give it up. So it's
just difficult in baseball because we don't have to hold
you to that standard of you know, you won seventeen championships,
but I'm going Clayton Kerscharld to be considered one of
the best ever at Something is an amazing feat And
I got to be privy a part of multiple World
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Series appearances, but specifically two wins and titles.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I just think that's remarkable.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
And he's kind of been one of those guys you
never question is his will, You never questioned his desire.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
He gives you it is all and that's been part
of his makeup.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
And I think he's enjoyed the ride the last go
round to kind of be the guy who'd help the
young guys up. I can help the walker Buelers who
came up clutch for them to get that win last season.
I can help these guys out, these young guys. I
could be a part of that and kind of change
his attitude because you know, he's been known for being
a little tightly wound when it comes to his start
days and all those kinds of things. So at the
(29:42):
end of it, give me the guy who had one
of the greatest careers ever at Something. The heart one
of the hardest positions in all the sports, and I
have two World Series rings to boot.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I'm gonna take that.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, I mean, I get it in Clerkshaw's numbers, and
you were talking about the bullpen blowing it, but his
he alays four point.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Four to nine.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It ain't good.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I mean, you couldn't be any worse than that, you know,
and which is way higher than his two five four lifetime.
Imagine that from four two five four regular season of
four point four to nine, so it's a big jump,
and his playoff record is only thirteen and thirteen.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
He's a much better picture than that.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yes, but it would be hard for me to argue
as great as Eli's moments were, and they were great.
I mean to throw to Manningham the ti H David
Tyree helmet thing, and that wasn't even a win the
game winner, you know. He also had to throw the
ball of Plexico here to win the game. So as
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as great as those moments were, it's hard to pick
Eli in this moment because of that. But but Eli
makes a strong case from the standpoint of the Patriots
were undefeated.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
He beat that team. A lot of people, not me,
considered you know.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Uh uh, Tom Brady to beat the goat, he beat
Tom Brady twice, you know what I mean, Like during
that time when Tom Brady had that nine year drought,
it was because of Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
So but the overall it would be different.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I think we would have a different conversation because if
Kershaw didn't win twenty twenty and I'm not counting last
year because he didn't pitch right, right, but if he
didn't win twenty twenty, I would have taken Eli.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
And I get that because he had some huge moments.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
He even came out the bullpen in twenty twenty, uh
basically doing whatever they wanted.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
No, he did, he did his thing, he did, he won,
just whatever they want.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
To get my point though, right, if he didn't win that,
you know what Eli was able to do in those
moments was incredible.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
And you know what else to me would also to
add to Clay Kershaw.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
I do think that's the beauty of his journey was
that it wasn't easy. I didn't just walk right in
and win a bunch of championships, and you know, I
wasn't maybe that part of that ninety six run with
the Yankees where we just boom boom, boom boom. We
ran out four straight and like he had great performances,
horrible performances, things you wish you had back, the ups,
(32:13):
the downs, you know, going to the World Series and losing,
you got the whole Houston trashtros oops, I mean Astro's thing.
And so like, that's part of the beauty of twenty
twenty for him being participating and being participatory in that win,
and then even twenty twenty four, just like, look at
the culmination. Now I'm the old wilely vet getting to
be around these young guys and mentor them up. So
(32:34):
I think the full ride, the full spectrum of a
professional career is also what Clayton Kershaw had
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