September 24, 2025 • 31 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain why Tom Brady is wrong for suggesting that anybody questioning his ability to serve as both as a minority owner and television broadcaster simultaneously is being ‘paranoid and distrustful’, and take Terry Bradshaw to task for his series of very public (and often, personal) criticisms of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Plus, author Rich Podolsky swings by to discuss the legacies of John Madden and Pat Summerall as NFL broadcasters.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Brady posted a lengthy response to that whole situation, and
people are complaining that he can't have both. He can't
be a broadcaster and an owner. It's a conflict of interest.
Here's what he said in part quote. I love football
at its core. It's a game of principles, and with
all the success that has given me, I feel I
have a moral and ethical duty to the sport, which
is why the point where my roles intersect is not
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actually a point of conflict, despite what the paranoid and
distrustful might believe. Rather, it's the place from which my
ethical duty emerges to grow, evolve, and improve the game
that is given me everything.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
What do he say? Call people again?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
He called you, Rob Parker, paranoid and distressful.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Thank you and Tom Brady, is this on. I hope
you're listening loud and clear. There's a reason that people
don't trust you in this circumstance because along with being
a great quarterback, you're a great cheater and you come
from an organization that did nothing but cheat. The flake Gate,
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spy gait. What was the other gate? It was one
more all the gates. I got a couple gates for you,
all right, Like there's just so many things out there.
And Tom Brady, you're the one who was suspended by
the National Football League. Do you remember when you destroyed
your phone rather than cooperate all Tom Brady had to do.
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I'll never forget this moment in NFL history when Peter
Alexander from NBC News looked you straight in the face
and said, is Tom Brady at cheater? He shrugged his shoulders,
threw his hands up and said.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
What do you mean, I don't think so, That's what
he said. I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
But he destroyed his phone rather than cooperate with the NFL.
Somehow he had three hundred text messages with a guy
he said he didn't know anything about. Either they were
having a relationship or something else.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I mean, you have three hundred text messages and you
don't know He.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Claims, you don't know the guy personally, and his nickname
was the deflator in those Texas.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Can you help me? You don't know who that guy is.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Come on, Tom, this is why people don't trust you.
Your history, your legacy is filled with cheating. Why would
you stop now? And you could say, oh, I didn't
know what was going on. Oh g golly with I
don't know stop it. You knew what was going on
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with the deflated footballs.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I have no knowledge of anything.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Respect him. Robbie said he had no knowledge. So my
point is simple.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
People don't think this is a good idea and it
is a conflict of interest and you can't see it
because you want what you want. You want the high
paying television job, yet you want to be an owner.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Nobody else is doing that.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Nobody else because it doesn't go together for the fellow coaches,
and people go, oh, they're.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
A big deal. They just like you.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
In reality, if they were asked an honest question where
maybe they didn't have to be counted, they'd have a
different response.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Look, I mean you already touched the we we've talked
about that, and then you touched on some of the
things that I'm gonna add to it. So Tom Brady
went from deflating and scrubbing balls to scrubbing calls, right,
he went to, you know, hey, scrubbing them calls out
the call log. And we know about the deflate gate,
Tampa Gate. Don't forget Tampa Gate with Tampa Wine with
the Dolphins. And this is what I think he's misconstruing.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
Tom.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Let's say you've turned a new leaf. Nobody's saying you're
going to but Daggin people say you can. And I
don't think I don't understand how he can have an
issue with people saying there's a possibility when you had
the track record. But also we've known in sports people
try to find a competitive edge. Let me add another
one that he did wasn't illegal, but it was him
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and somebody else trying to find a competitive edge. Remember
when he and his fellow great who had found out
now they're like best of buzz.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
They didn't want us to know when they were playing
Peyton Manny.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Remember they went and talked to the league about stop
hitting us low and we don't want to hit us here,
and they're hitting us like that, and then Tom Brady
a few years back.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Man, they got to take hits.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
I was out there to take It's Tom easy, Tom,
You and Peyton Manning were the main two going about,
we're getting hit too hard, we're getting hit too low,
and get you here.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Also the ones who went to the league to ask
that they have their own balls every time they were quarterbacking,
their balls came in and that's how and that's.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
The whole thing. Came back with something else. Just be
one game ball, right.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
So so again, what he's misconstruing is nobody is walking.
I think he's taking it as if people were saying, oh,
you're going to repairanoid. No, we're saying what we've learned
about sports, people are going to find a competitive edge,
whether they're gonna be habitual line steppers and right there
on the line, or if they're gonna cross it a bit,
whether it's steroids and track. We know how flunny that
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was throughout the eighties and nineties, early two thousands. We
know about it in baseball, we know about we just
got all this stuff with the Clippers allegedly. Point is
people teams are gonna take full advantage opportunities, Tom, you
have a track record of it, or at least being
a line stepper. So the idea that if there is
a competitive edge to be had, you wouldn't take it,
stop it. All you gotta do is say, hey, man,
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I ain't here for none of that. I'm here to
play ball, help you know, or help my team win.
But you don't have to act like we're crazy. That's
the part that you don't act like we're crazy, like,
oh my god, who would have should distrustful and paranoid?
Come on, Tom, paranoid is if the aliens are coming
on this day, then we got Timpleka. They were paranoid.
I'm in my sleep, somebody's breaking in my house, and
that's paranoid. This is just a proven track record that
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you have, improven track record that people have oftentimes in
professional sports trying to find a competitive edge. It happens annually.
Look at the what Michigan did, look at what other
teams have done in other things. So don't act like
we're crazy, we're distrustful, or we're paranoid. That's the part
that I him me if he defended himself like, man,
I'm not gonna be I'm gonna be on the up
and up and I'm ready to help the Raiders. Cool,
that's what he believes, But don't put it on us
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like we're crazy or naive.
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Speaker 6 (08:03):
Right now, however, we're joined by Rich Podowski. He's an author,
Madden and some are all how they revolutionize NFL broadcasting.
It is out and out, so make sure you go
and grab that.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Rich. Appreciate you taking some time with us.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Man, Hey, great to be with you.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Guys, Absolutely appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
We'll start there with just how great that tandem is
and how they did change the game of broadcasting.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
They absolutely did. There's been nobody liked them before them.
They were put together in nineteen eighty one, almost by accident.
They were together twenty one years. Madden won sixteen Emmys
and was unbelievable. Nobody liked them during those twenty one
years and nobody has come close since. So I worked
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with them at CBS Sports. I knew Madden even before
he came to broadcasting. I used to cover the Dolphins
in the seven, and I knew what unusual guy he was.
It turned out that Summer All was quite an unusual
guy too. And even though they were friendly, but they
were not friends. Away from the red light, they went
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their separate ways. But boy were they great when that
red light was on. It was like peanut butter and
jelly meeting for the first time.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
So wait a minute, So which is was it?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Why do you think they they didn't have a relationship
outside of broadcasting, especially with the football. Pat Sumroll was
a former NFL player, You know what I mean? Like,
I'm surprised that they didn't see what was they got. No,
I'm just saying, like outside, I'm not saying that there
was a that a beef, but it's just weird that
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they didn't have a relationship.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Really, Tombroll had a relationship prior with Tom Brookshire. They
worked together for six and a half years.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Now, that's who I remember as a kid, Brookshire, Right.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
They started drinking margariteas two days before they got to
the event, and they never stopped. And that was the problem.
They were great and had too much fun on the
air and off the air, and some of the stories
got back to the home office and the new president
in nineteen eighty decided to split them up, and he
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said he wanted John Matten to be his analyst, and
he was a favor of Vin Scully to be the
play by play guy, and he got out voted.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
How about Tom Brady's now broadcasting for Fox and now
a part owner. I'm just curious about John Madden was
a great young coach who gave up coaching and got
into broadcast and became a great broadcaster.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
But tom Brady's trying to do both.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
People look at it and say it's a conflict of
interest because you're a broadcast you get to go in
and talk to players and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Where are you on this?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Can he effectively be a fair, honest broadcast and be
a part owner and have access on both levels?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
You know? Let me just back up a second and say,
what you're talking about These production meetings where the announcers
and the producer and director go in and talk to
the coaches and the star players and find out what
the strategies are for the game and the inside stories
about the players. That all started with Madden and summer
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All and their producer Terry O'Neal in nineteen eighty one.
Nobody ever did that before. They would just go into town,
meet with the pr guys, get the three deep roster,
find out who was injured. Then they go out and
have the margaritas. Madden really started all that, and after
he got all, they did those meetings and they had
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a production meeting in the back of the hotel for
the crew. Madden and Terrio the Know drew up a
whiteboard and showed them film and the cameraman knew what
plays were coming. I mean, if you were going to
have a test and the questions ahead of time, you
do better too. Well. That changed everything. Now everybody does it,
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and as you said, Brady wanted to do it also.
At first the NFL said that's not okay because you
are a part owner. Then they relented. I guess too
many owners said he's good for the game, don't I
don't get it. Don't. I don't think it's fair. Even
though Brady was one of the first people to recommend
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my book. I still have to say, I sn't see
where it's really fair to the other team.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
I love your honesty, I love your honesty.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Tom Brady's a certified cheat or two in his history.
I'm just saying I say you said that, Rich, But
I'm just saying, like he was suspended four games. You
remember that for the Flaygate and all that. Okay, I'm
just saying, I think Rich knows Rich. I do have
one criticism.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Of John Mann, and I'll wait out. I definitely go ahead.
Now you can't bring it up.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Now, go ahead, Rich, I did think the one thing
I did not like, and he was fantastic.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
He was not very critical of coaching. Every coach was great,
like our coach is.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Sometimes it'd be a terrible game where to wonder about
the game plan. And the only thing that he used
to criticize and bang on were always the officials, like,
not players, not coaches.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Am I being unfair?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And I've watched every game and listen, But he really
wasn't critical of players or coaches.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
That's a fair point. You know, nobody ever brought that
up to me before.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I'm that kind of reporter.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I just want you to know, Rich and I you know,
I've been covering the NFL since nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Rich Well, listen, listen. John was an unbelievably unusual guy.
He had this insane appetite for knowing things about people.
He had this ability when he would meet with the
players to get their mannerisms, their slang, all these little
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knickknacked things about them, tell the stories. And then while
he was telling those stories, he could coach both teams
on the field better than they were being coached by
their own coaches. He was America's nutty professor. And when
he got the CBS chalkboard and he could show all
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twenty two players at the same time, he had a
ball with that, and America really loved him for it.
Sembrell was a renaissance guy. He was the first guy
to go from the field to the broadcast book to
play by play, and he gave himself up when he
was a pair with Madden to give Madden enough room
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the beach on Madden and have it sound effects and
tell us stories. Otherwise they would not have been nearly
as great as they were. When Summer All died, Madden
said at the funeral, there were great voices before Pat summer.
All there'll be great voices after Pat, but Pat's was
the voice of the NFL.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Well out there. We hear so many highlights now and
I just hear his voice. You just hear right there.
Rich Pondowski is our guests have the new book. It's
titled Madden in Some are all how they revolutionize NFL Broadcasting.
It's in stores now and a couple other things for us. Rich,
I'm looking at this. You know, Madden didn't start off
so great. It was almost fired the early portions of this.
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So how does that work? You know, when we're looking
at broadcasters, they're coming from, as you mentioned, playing or coaching.
How do you kind of know when to give someone grace.
We're let them grow into this. Maybe they'll get better.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Every once in a while. I mean, somebody is so
good doing interviews, you know after a game or you know,
during the week. Brady was pretty damn good at it.
He was clip Don Shull was great at it, and
he never went into broadcasting. I covered Schoula and that's
why I brought him up. But Madden, Madden didn't know
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what he wanted to do. He quit after ten years
because of bleeding ulcers. He was only forty two years old,
and the CBS came to him and made him an
offer of four or five games that first year in
nineteen seventy nine, and he said to the agent, Barry Frank,
He said, Barry, I don't know if I want to
do it now. Maybe in a few years. And Barry said,
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you know, John, in a few years they might not
want you. And he thought about that and he said, yeah,
there'll be other coaches then, and there were the other
star players. I'll try it. I'll do it now, and
he said, I got nothing to lose. So that first year,
nobody get any help. He had games that none of
them went back to New York. They gave him a
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different play by play guy, a different producer, a different
director all those games that he did that first season,
and he couldn't get a rhythm. And he knew from
watching his own tapes that he had to cut down
on his stories, but he still had to learn how
to do it. And it wasn't until the middle of
the second season, when they paired him with Gary Bender,
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that he started to get it. But at the end
of that first season, there are a lot of executives
at CBS that said, there's nothing special about this guy,
and we could let him go. And then he did something.
Had a pre Super Bowl lunch that had everyone in stitches,
five hundred people in the ballroom of the Beverly Wilshire Hotel.
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He started telling stories on the daist there and he
had Pete Roselle cracked up. The entire audience was in
the palm of his hands, and the CBS execut He
came to the conclusion, he's just not another ex coach
that wants to be a broadcaster, and they now saw
him for what he could be.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Wow, what a great story. One last one? Real quick
to tell me?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Uh, the story or the legend at least, is that
the way he got on Madden is that these guys
waited outside the entrance from where he comes in for
a Raiders games and were like, we try to develop
this video game or whatever, and you know what I mean,
we want to put your name on it or something.
And he exchanges car and that's really how Madden got on.
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This got on his video but he talked to some
guys standing outside.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Did you ever hear that story? Rich? Is that how
it went down?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I did the part of the story that that sounds accurate.
Every story that I know is he invited the guy
to come on the train with him, he was taking
the train then, and to show him what he had.
So he showed him a mock up and it was
seven on seven And then said, well, wait, wait a minute,
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where's the lineman?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Right?
Speaker 4 (19:07):
You got to eleven?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Right?
Speaker 5 (19:09):
This is all I got? He said, well, I was
enough offensive lineman, and I'm not going to put my
name on any game. Wow. I did not hear.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
And that's a great story right there, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
And real quick, Uh, the miller like commercials first offered
to Hal Davis, Uh, the owner of the Raiders, and
Al said, you're using a bunch of retired guys for
your commercials. John just retired. Why you offer it to him?
He'd be much better than me.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
So they offer it to John, and John at the
dinner table with his two sons and his wife says,
I don't know if I want to do that. I
don't even like beer that much. And his wife said,
what the heck else do you have to do?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Exactly? Well, I'll tell you what. Congrats on the book.
Good luck with the book, Rich Podowski, thank you, so
I also turned down to George Forman Grill.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
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Speaker 4 (20:03):
Kidding in the forest.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
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Speaker 4 (20:11):
It is out now. Good look Mozzel tof thank you.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
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Speaker 1 (20:28):
But I do want to finish up on the on
this last topic here and do some NFL. Yeah, Rob
g let's bring you in on this. Terry Bradshaw. You know,
Terry and I have had some issues going back. It's like,
but yes, going back, but he's got other issues. Terry Bradshaw,
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you know Steelers legend YEP. It's well documented now going
back several years that despite being a Steeler's legend, he
doesn't really think too highly of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He
famously called Mike Tomlin a cheerleader, even though Mike Tomlins
never had to lose the season a head coach. Could
you imagine calling a coach they can't be they can't
be more disrespectful with that a cheerleader.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
He has openly criticized Aaron Rodgers, who for all his
fault is currently second in the NFL and touchdown passes.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And Aaron Rodgers took the high role and he did
remember that he did.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
He handled it the right way.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
And despite Pittsburgh being two and one on the young season,
first in that AFC North Division, Terry Bradshaw told Yahoo
Sports he's not a fan of what he's seeing in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Take a listen.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
They're not ever going to fire Mike Tomlins if they continue.
They made the playoffs eighteen years and he wins it,
he'll go again nineteen years. They don't have the team.
He takes offensive defense, takes it all, takes coaching every time.
They get great players and they do really well. You
had Brown, Antonio Brown. They had to run Beck to
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actually signed with the Jets. Can't think of his name.
He's just golling.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
He I don't know where he is.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
All these guys are on their way to the Hall
of Fame. They're playing so great for Pittsburgh. I want
my money, so they'll get their money in they're out
of there. That's what happens.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
That's why I.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
Wasn't opposed to Dallas's move.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
For your guy going to fifth year. I want my money.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
They say, look, I've already paid such and such, we're
gonna we can wait another year. And then then finally
I said, look, you'll send you out of here.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
It's not a bad way to do it.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
If you can pick up a lot of first round
draft picks, and maybe there's a quarterback you think you
might need, or a great lineman or something whatever. I
don't know, but they're always competitive with their their past
being a contender.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
They're not a contender.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
They're just they're just not from what I've seen, they're
not a contender, and they haven't been in a while
that had been a contender in five years.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
This is my issue. I don't have an issue with
him saying they're not contenders. I don't expect them to
go to Super Bowl. I don't expect and they haven't.
They haven't had what a playoff for within a non's
but Terry Bradshaw is a perfect example of sticking around
too long. When you stick around too long and you
become a bitter old man. I'm dead serious, and this
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is the danger of staying around too long.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Nothing's good enough.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You complain about everybody, every situation. You feel you can
say and do anything because you're an older person. What
they gonna do to you, They can't touch you, you
know what I mean? And you feel like I live
my life. I don't care what they think. And I
don't think that's the way you really want to go out.
You don't want to go out in that fashion. That's
why I would rather retire three years early than three
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years too late. I'm dead serious. And I've said this
to you because how would Cosell went out like that?
If you remember Howould co Sell is one of the
greatest broadcasters and his stamp on American sports announcing and
his uh where he fit into the culture at that time,
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and whatever his stuff with Muhammad Ali. If you've never
seen Howard Kosel or never heard of any of his broadcasts.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Am I right?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Kelvit like like he is my nice standard, the standard
back in the seventies on ABC Monday Night Football, Monday
Night Baseball, all the stuff, boxing, the Muhammad Ali stuff,
just great, great stuff. But he got out as a
he went out as a retired as a as a
bitter old man, and and and went after everybody, and
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nobody was any good that's just not the way you
want to go out. And why why would the Steelers,
why would you have people? You won four Super Bowls,
you have a great connection with it.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You could criticize Mike Tomlin. Calling him a cheerleader is
like crossing the line. To me. You want to say
he doesn't do X, Y and Z well, or he's
not able to win a playoff game. He's only won one,
hasn't won a playoff game in ten that's all fair game.
It feels like something happened there where they don't value
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his opinion. He went in and tried to get Tomlin fired,
and the Rooneyes don't want to hear from him, like
there's something there that makes him this guy. He attacked
Aaron Rodgers before he even got there. Aaron Rodgers said, Hey,
he's a legend. I don't know, Terry. I wish we
could meet and talk or what you know or whatever
(25:28):
it is. And I think there's a way to go
out with some grace when you've had such a distinguished
career and it doesn't mean and you know me, I'm
about keeping it real and being honest. Okay, but there's
a difference between the two and especially when you were
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a part of something and now you want to burn
down everything on your way out, you know what I mean?
And I think that people remember that stuff. And I
don't know, if you're a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, are you
listening to Terry Bradshaw and thinking, yeah, there's Terry tell
it like it is either great quarterback of won four
Super Bowls or they go, look at this old dude,
(26:10):
who's you know, going out in a blaze of a
reckless just being reckless and destroying everything and trampling over
the organization and whatnot. Why do you want to hear
your hero go out like that? I don't know. It
doesn't feel good to me.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Listen, two things can be true, right, So I think
you just stated it. They have been a middling franchise
for a handful of years now. There are no expectations
for them to go to Super Bowl. I'm sure within
their building they absolutely believe they are. They ain't going
to the super Bowl. And it looks like to me
they're going to be a very similar team at best,
at best than what they were last I don't think
they'll even be that successful. So yes, if someone ask
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him what is your analysis of this team this season?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
He gives it.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
I understand this, but to your point, taking personal shots
and calling a first of all man, a man who's
been really good most of the time in his profession,
Mike Tomlin a cheerleader. It is kind of crazy and
calling me that when we're in the same organization, calling
me that when we're trying to build something, and can
you know we are all part of this organization. You're
(27:14):
a legacy person, I'm in my front, I'm run a
part of my career. Help me build. Also, he's just
in his no fs to give phase of life. And
when old people get like that, you got a grandfather
who gonna tell you he's that boy out in that
behad Why you bring that girl up in here looking
like that. You're like, who oh, graps, listen to my
girlfriend or that's my friend or that's my you know,
he's in that place of life and somebody has to
(27:37):
kind of reel them in a little bit, because one
thing you would want from him someone like that is
to be constructive with the franchise, meaning come on back,
be a part of it, help us build this thing up.
We're open to your criticism We're open to talk to us.
What do you see Listen, you played the position. What
are you seeing that we can do differently? And that's
why I'm wondering. Is there some fracture with the with
(27:57):
the organization. Is there some beef that I don't know about.
I think is there something that he wanted? And he
even said that they'll never fire him.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I think that he went to them to get tom
and they've kept their guy, and they kept their guy
and said, no, Terry, we're not doing had three coaches
in fifty years, Terry, why do you think the Rudie's
gonna do something different?
Speaker 6 (28:19):
And that's kept them a good team. Now they want
to get over the top. They want to get back
to winning Super Bowls. But in order to do that,
you at least got to be competitive, and they've been that.
So again, I don't have a problem with him giving
him analysis of the team where they are what he expects.
But when you take shots at Aaron Rodgers just kind
of coming in, you take shots of the organization, you
take shots at Mike Tomlin, it kind of becomes what's
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really going on, what's the motive, what's the impetus, what's
the genesis of this is the something more derooted?
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Is there something again we don't know about it? Is
there some beef with the family? Is just beef?
Speaker 6 (28:50):
What he wanted to be part I make This is
me speculating, you know you part of ownership?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Like what what's going on?
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Because typically what you see is guys being a part
of that welcome back. They're always you know, you look
at out Jerry Jones. Despite what I may say, you
may say, he may say, all the guys come back,
and they love being a part of Cowboy Nation, right,
they love being it's part of the franchise. The organizations
have that thing. He seems like maybe kind of slightly
on the outside. And again this is Kel Washington to speculator.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
He was a minority owner, but he sold his interests
back twenty years ago and was sitting there in the NFL.
This guy rocket, That's what I'm saying. And you missed it.
Why y'all maybe it's some beat. Why y'all ain't tell me.
Why didn't y'all tell me that this was about to happen.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
So I don't know, I just I feel like when
you're in a position to be more helpful to be
more of a of a part of the constructive buildings.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You don't have to be I want to say that,
you don't have to be rock guy. You don't have
to be Tiki Barb. But when the giants can do
no wrong, like if you listen to the radio show
in New York like that, like he is died in
the wall. Whatever the giants do. He wants to get
the goodie bag. He wants to be able to sweep
in the Swede, you know what, the with the owner
and all that. Like he is like on the other side.
(30:03):
So I'm not talking about you gotta be that because
you know what the.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Middle to your point, I think Troy Aikman is critical.
He's critical. Yeah, I don't think Jerry Jones did that right. No,
but he you know, he'll show up at the Ring
of Honor. So he's like, hey, my job is to
keep it a buck. I'm not gonna make anything personal.
I'm not gonna take any jabs as you're not. But
I'm gonna just tell the truth and where I am
with it. And and it's no love loss. Pull up
(30:27):
on me, come see me. Still be there with my
when the triplets come in town and him and Michael
Irvan and m Smith. I think Troy Aikman's kind of
find a great middle ground of that over his years
in my opinion. But yeah, I just like Terry. Terry
is in his no blanks to give era of life
and the Steelers can get some of this.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
That's why I brought up to Howard Cosell, because guys
go out like this.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Who was my man, Jimmy the Greek. Yeah, he went
out kind of just saying some wild stuff. There's some
other people who went a little too long. There was
health issues, like when Dick Clark.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
But a lot of these guys wind up getting fired
to like Brett Muspro like you know, like they think
that they're bulletproof and they can say they haven't read the.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Run era whatever they want.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
And you notice at Michigan, Frank Beckman was a long
time Michigan played by play guy for the Football and
then making He wrote a column about Tiger Woods and
fried chicken and Colla Greens or whatever, you know what
I mean and lost the radio.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
John.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Sometimes when you've been doing something so long, rob as
you know, not only I mean literally just from you
covering it like you're stuck in the air where you
can say things.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
And then you think, like you really think you're bulletproof.
I'm serious that you've been here that long.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
I see the difference just even between me sitting with
other anchors who were, you know, maybe fifteen to twenty
twenty five years my senior. They will say some stuff
that I'm like because they're from that era of the
eighties and nineties where I'm like, we can't say that anymore, y'all.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Brady posted a lengthy response to that whole situation, and
people are complaining that he can't have both. He can't
be a broadcaster and an owner. It's a conflict of interest.
Here's what he said in part quote. I love football
at its core. It's a game of principles, and with
all the success that has given me, I feel I
have a moral and ethical duty to the sport, which
is why the point where my roles intersect is not
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actually a point of conflict, despite what the paranoid and
distrustful might believe. Rather, it's the place from which my
ethical duty emerges to grow, evolve, and improve the game
that is given me everything.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
What do he say? Call people again?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
He called you, Rob Parker, paranoid and distressful.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Thank you and Tom Brady, is this on. I hope
you're listening loud and clear. There's a reason that people
don't trust you in this circumstance because along with being
a great quarterback, you're a great cheater and you come
from an organization that did nothing but cheat. The flake Gate,
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spy gait. What was the other gate? It was one
more all the gates. I got a couple gates for you,
all right, Like there's just so many things out there.
And Tom Brady, you're the one who was suspended by
the National Football League. Do you remember when you destroyed
your phone rather than cooperate all Tom Brady had to do.
(01:58):
I'll never forget this moment in NFL history when Peter
Alexander from NBC News looked you straight in the face
and said, is Tom Brady at cheater? He shrugged his shoulders,
threw his hands up and said.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
What do you mean, I don't think so, That's what
he said. I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
But he destroyed his phone rather than cooperate with the NFL.
Somehow he had three hundred text messages with a guy
he said he didn't know anything about. Either they were
having a relationship or something else.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I mean, you have three hundred text messages and you
don't know He.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Claims, you don't know the guy personally, and his nickname
was the deflator in those Texas.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Can you help me? You don't know who that guy is.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Come on, Tom, this is why people don't trust you.
Your history, your legacy is filled with cheating. Why would
you stop now? And you could say, oh, I didn't
know what was going on. Oh g golly with I
don't know stop it. You knew what was going on
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with the deflated footballs.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I have no knowledge of anything.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Respect him. Robbie said he had no knowledge. So my
point is simple.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
People don't think this is a good idea and it
is a conflict of interest and you can't see it
because you want what you want. You want the high
paying television job, yet you want to be an owner.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Nobody else is doing that.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Nobody else because it doesn't go together for the fellow coaches,
and people go, oh, they're.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
A big deal. They just like you.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
In reality, if they were asked an honest question where
maybe they didn't have to be counted, they'd have a
different response.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Look, I mean you already touched the we we've talked
about that, and then you touched on some of the
things that I'm gonna add to it. So Tom Brady
went from deflating and scrubbing balls to scrubbing calls, right,
he went to, you know, hey, scrubbing them calls out
the call log. And we know about the deflate gate,
Tampa Gate. Don't forget Tampa Gate with Tampa Wine with
the Dolphins. And this is what I think he's misconstruing.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
Tom.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Let's say you've turned a new leaf. Nobody's saying you're
going to but Daggin people say you can. And I
don't think I don't understand how he can have an
issue with people saying there's a possibility when you had
the track record. But also we've known in sports people
try to find a competitive edge. Let me add another
one that he did wasn't illegal, but it was him
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and somebody else trying to find a competitive edge. Remember
when he and his fellow great who had found out
now they're like best of buzz.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
They didn't want us to know when they were playing
Peyton Manny.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Remember they went and talked to the league about stop
hitting us low and we don't want to hit us here,
and they're hitting us like that, and then Tom Brady
a few years back.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Man, they got to take hits.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
I was out there to take It's Tom easy, Tom,
You and Peyton Manning were the main two going about,
we're getting hit too hard, we're getting hit too low,
and get you here.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Also the ones who went to the league to ask
that they have their own balls every time they were quarterbacking,
their balls came in and that's how and that's.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
The whole thing. Came back with something else. Just be
one game ball, right.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
So so again, what he's misconstruing is nobody is walking.
I think he's taking it as if people were saying, oh,
you're going to repairanoid. No, we're saying what we've learned
about sports, people are going to find a competitive edge,
whether they're gonna be habitual line steppers and right there
on the line, or if they're gonna cross it a bit,
whether it's steroids and track. We know how flunny that
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was throughout the eighties and nineties, early two thousands. We
know about it in baseball, we know about we just
got all this stuff with the Clippers allegedly. Point is
people teams are gonna take full advantage opportunities, Tom, you
have a track record of it, or at least being
a line stepper. So the idea that if there is
a competitive edge to be had, you wouldn't take it,
stop it. All you gotta do is say, hey, man,
(06:01):
I ain't here for none of that. I'm here to
play ball, help you know, or help my team win.
But you don't have to act like we're crazy. That's
the part that you don't act like we're crazy, like,
oh my god, who would have should distrustful and paranoid?
Come on, Tom, paranoid is if the aliens are coming
on this day, then we got Timpleka. They were paranoid.
I'm in my sleep, somebody's breaking in my house, and
that's paranoid. This is just a proven track record that
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you have, improven track record that people have oftentimes in
professional sports trying to find a competitive edge. It happens annually.
Look at the what Michigan did, look at what other
teams have done in other things. So don't act like
we're crazy, we're distrustful, or we're paranoid. That's the part
that I him me if he defended himself like, man,
I'm not gonna be I'm gonna be on the up
and up and I'm ready to help the Raiders. Cool,
that's what he believes, But don't put it on us
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like we're crazy or naive.
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Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, you blubber list name in me.
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Speaker 6 (08:03):
Right now, however, we're joined by Rich Podowski. He's an author,
Madden and some are all how they revolutionize NFL broadcasting.
It is out and out, so make sure you go
and grab that.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Rich. Appreciate you taking some time with us.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Man, Hey, great to be with you.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Guys, Absolutely appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
We'll start there with just how great that tandem is
and how they did change the game of broadcasting.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
They absolutely did. There's been nobody liked them before them.
They were put together in nineteen eighty one, almost by accident.
They were together twenty one years. Madden won sixteen Emmys
and was unbelievable. Nobody liked them during those twenty one
years and nobody has come close since. So I worked
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with them at CBS Sports. I knew Madden even before
he came to broadcasting. I used to cover the Dolphins
in the seven, and I knew what unusual guy he was.
It turned out that Summer All was quite an unusual
guy too. And even though they were friendly, but they
were not friends. Away from the red light, they went
(09:16):
their separate ways. But boy were they great when that
red light was on. It was like peanut butter and
jelly meeting for the first time.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
So wait a minute, So which is was it?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Why do you think they they didn't have a relationship
outside of broadcasting, especially with the football. Pat Sumroll was
a former NFL player, You know what I mean? Like,
I'm surprised that they didn't see what was they got. No,
I'm just saying, like outside, I'm not saying that there
was a that a beef, but it's just weird that
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they didn't have a relationship.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Really, Tombroll had a relationship prior with Tom Brookshire. They
worked together for six and a half years.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Now, that's who I remember as a kid, Brookshire, Right.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
They started drinking margariteas two days before they got to
the event, and they never stopped. And that was the problem.
They were great and had too much fun on the
air and off the air, and some of the stories
got back to the home office and the new president
in nineteen eighty decided to split them up, and he
(10:20):
said he wanted John Matten to be his analyst, and
he was a favor of Vin Scully to be the
play by play guy, and he got out voted.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
How about Tom Brady's now broadcasting for Fox and now
a part owner. I'm just curious about John Madden was
a great young coach who gave up coaching and got
into broadcast and became a great broadcaster.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
But tom Brady's trying to do both.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
People look at it and say it's a conflict of
interest because you're a broadcast you get to go in
and talk to players and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Where are you on this?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Can he effectively be a fair, honest broadcast and be
a part owner and have access on both levels?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
You know? Let me just back up a second and say,
what you're talking about These production meetings where the announcers
and the producer and director go in and talk to
the coaches and the star players and find out what
the strategies are for the game and the inside stories
about the players. That all started with Madden and summer
(11:31):
All and their producer Terry O'Neal in nineteen eighty one.
Nobody ever did that before. They would just go into town,
meet with the pr guys, get the three deep roster,
find out who was injured. Then they go out and
have the margaritas. Madden really started all that, and after
he got all, they did those meetings and they had
(11:55):
a production meeting in the back of the hotel for
the crew. Madden and Terrio the Know drew up a
whiteboard and showed them film and the cameraman knew what
plays were coming. I mean, if you were going to
have a test and the questions ahead of time, you
do better too. Well. That changed everything. Now everybody does it,
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and as you said, Brady wanted to do it also.
At first the NFL said that's not okay because you
are a part owner. Then they relented. I guess too
many owners said he's good for the game, don't I
don't get it. Don't. I don't think it's fair. Even
though Brady was one of the first people to recommend
(12:38):
my book. I still have to say, I sn't see
where it's really fair to the other team.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
I love your honesty, I love your honesty.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Tom Brady's a certified cheat or two in his history.
I'm just saying I say you said that, Rich, But
I'm just saying, like he was suspended four games. You
remember that for the Flaygate and all that. Okay, I'm
just saying, I think Rich knows Rich. I do have
one criticism.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Of John Mann, and I'll wait out. I definitely go ahead.
Now you can't bring it up.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Now, go ahead, Rich, I did think the one thing
I did not like, and he was fantastic.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
He was not very critical of coaching. Every coach was great,
like our coach is.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Sometimes it'd be a terrible game where to wonder about
the game plan. And the only thing that he used
to criticize and bang on were always the officials, like,
not players, not coaches.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Am I being unfair?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And I've watched every game and listen, But he really
wasn't critical of players or coaches.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
That's a fair point. You know, nobody ever brought that
up to me before.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I'm that kind of reporter.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I just want you to know, Rich and I you know,
I've been covering the NFL since nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Rich Well, listen, listen. John was an unbelievably unusual guy.
He had this insane appetite for knowing things about people.
He had this ability when he would meet with the
players to get their mannerisms, their slang, all these little
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knickknacked things about them, tell the stories. And then while
he was telling those stories, he could coach both teams
on the field better than they were being coached by
their own coaches. He was America's nutty professor. And when
he got the CBS chalkboard and he could show all
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twenty two players at the same time, he had a
ball with that, and America really loved him for it.
Sembrell was a renaissance guy. He was the first guy
to go from the field to the broadcast book to
play by play, and he gave himself up when he
was a pair with Madden to give Madden enough room
(15:00):
the beach on Madden and have it sound effects and
tell us stories. Otherwise they would not have been nearly
as great as they were. When Summer All died, Madden
said at the funeral, there were great voices before Pat summer.
All there'll be great voices after Pat, but Pat's was
the voice of the NFL.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Well out there. We hear so many highlights now and
I just hear his voice. You just hear right there.
Rich Pondowski is our guests have the new book. It's
titled Madden in Some are all how they revolutionize NFL Broadcasting.
It's in stores now and a couple other things for us. Rich,
I'm looking at this. You know, Madden didn't start off
so great. It was almost fired the early portions of this.
(15:41):
So how does that work? You know, when we're looking
at broadcasters, they're coming from, as you mentioned, playing or coaching.
How do you kind of know when to give someone grace.
We're let them grow into this. Maybe they'll get better.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Every once in a while. I mean, somebody is so
good doing interviews, you know after a game or you know,
during the week. Brady was pretty damn good at it.
He was clip Don Shull was great at it, and
he never went into broadcasting. I covered Schoula and that's
why I brought him up. But Madden, Madden didn't know
(16:17):
what he wanted to do. He quit after ten years
because of bleeding ulcers. He was only forty two years old,
and the CBS came to him and made him an
offer of four or five games that first year in
nineteen seventy nine, and he said to the agent, Barry Frank,
He said, Barry, I don't know if I want to
do it now. Maybe in a few years. And Barry said,
(16:39):
you know, John, in a few years they might not
want you. And he thought about that and he said, yeah,
there'll be other coaches then, and there were the other
star players. I'll try it. I'll do it now, and
he said, I got nothing to lose. So that first year,
nobody get any help. He had games that none of
them went back to New York. They gave him a
(17:01):
different play by play guy, a different producer, a different
director all those games that he did that first season,
and he couldn't get a rhythm. And he knew from
watching his own tapes that he had to cut down
on his stories, but he still had to learn how
to do it. And it wasn't until the middle of
the second season, when they paired him with Gary Bender,
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that he started to get it. But at the end
of that first season, there are a lot of executives
at CBS that said, there's nothing special about this guy,
and we could let him go. And then he did something.
Had a pre Super Bowl lunch that had everyone in stitches,
five hundred people in the ballroom of the Beverly Wilshire Hotel.
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He started telling stories on the daist there and he
had Pete Roselle cracked up. The entire audience was in
the palm of his hands, and the CBS execut He
came to the conclusion, he's just not another ex coach
that wants to be a broadcaster, and they now saw
him for what he could be.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Wow, what a great story. One last one? Real quick
to tell me?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Uh, the story or the legend at least, is that
the way he got on Madden is that these guys
waited outside the entrance from where he comes in for
a Raiders games and were like, we try to develop
this video game or whatever, and you know what I mean,
we want to put your name on it or something.
And he exchanges car and that's really how Madden got on.
(18:34):
This got on his video but he talked to some
guys standing outside.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Did you ever hear that story? Rich? Is that how
it went down?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I did the part of the story that that sounds accurate.
Every story that I know is he invited the guy
to come on the train with him, he was taking
the train then, and to show him what he had.
So he showed him a mock up and it was
seven on seven And then said, well, wait, wait a minute,
(19:06):
where's the lineman?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Right?
Speaker 4 (19:07):
You got to eleven?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Right?
Speaker 5 (19:09):
This is all I got? He said, well, I was
enough offensive lineman, and I'm not going to put my
name on any game. Wow. I did not hear.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
And that's a great story right there, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
And real quick, Uh, the miller like commercials first offered
to Hal Davis, Uh, the owner of the Raiders, and
Al said, you're using a bunch of retired guys for
your commercials. John just retired. Why you offer it to him?
He'd be much better than me.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
So they offer it to John, and John at the
dinner table with his two sons and his wife says,
I don't know if I want to do that. I
don't even like beer that much. And his wife said,
what the heck else do you have to do?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Exactly? Well, I'll tell you what. Congrats on the book.
Good luck with the book, Rich Podowski, thank you, so
I also turned down to George Forman Grill.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
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Speaker 4 (20:03):
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Speaker 1 (20:28):
But I do want to finish up on the on
this last topic here and do some NFL. Yeah, Rob
g let's bring you in on this. Terry Bradshaw. You know,
Terry and I have had some issues going back. It's like,
but yes, going back, but he's got other issues. Terry Bradshaw,
(20:49):
you know Steelers legend YEP. It's well documented now going
back several years that despite being a Steeler's legend, he
doesn't really think too highly of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He
famously called Mike Tomlin a cheerleader, even though Mike Tomlins
never had to lose the season a head coach. Could
you imagine calling a coach they can't be they can't
be more disrespectful with that a cheerleader.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
He has openly criticized Aaron Rodgers, who for all his
fault is currently second in the NFL and touchdown passes.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And Aaron Rodgers took the high role and he did
remember that he did.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
He handled it the right way.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
And despite Pittsburgh being two and one on the young season,
first in that AFC North Division, Terry Bradshaw told Yahoo
Sports he's not a fan of what he's seeing in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Take a listen.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
They're not ever going to fire Mike Tomlins if they continue.
They made the playoffs eighteen years and he wins it,
he'll go again nineteen years. They don't have the team.
He takes offensive defense, takes it all, takes coaching every time.
They get great players and they do really well. You
had Brown, Antonio Brown. They had to run Beck to
(22:00):
actually signed with the Jets. Can't think of his name.
He's just golling.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
He I don't know where he is.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
All these guys are on their way to the Hall
of Fame. They're playing so great for Pittsburgh. I want
my money, so they'll get their money in they're out
of there. That's what happens.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
That's why I.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
Wasn't opposed to Dallas's move.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
For your guy going to fifth year. I want my money.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
They say, look, I've already paid such and such, we're
gonna we can wait another year. And then then finally
I said, look, you'll send you out of here.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
It's not a bad way to do it.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
If you can pick up a lot of first round
draft picks, and maybe there's a quarterback you think you
might need, or a great lineman or something whatever. I
don't know, but they're always competitive with their their past
being a contender.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
They're not a contender.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
They're just they're just not from what I've seen, they're
not a contender, and they haven't been in a while
that had been a contender in five years.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
This is my issue. I don't have an issue with
him saying they're not contenders. I don't expect them to
go to Super Bowl. I don't expect and they haven't.
They haven't had what a playoff for within a non's
but Terry Bradshaw is a perfect example of sticking around
too long. When you stick around too long and you
become a bitter old man. I'm dead serious, and this
(23:13):
is the danger of staying around too long.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Nothing's good enough.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You complain about everybody, every situation. You feel you can
say and do anything because you're an older person. What
they gonna do to you, They can't touch you, you
know what I mean? And you feel like I live
my life. I don't care what they think. And I
don't think that's the way you really want to go out.
You don't want to go out in that fashion. That's
why I would rather retire three years early than three
(23:43):
years too late. I'm dead serious. And I've said this
to you because how would Cosell went out like that?
If you remember Howould co Sell is one of the
greatest broadcasters and his stamp on American sports announcing and
his uh where he fit into the culture at that time,
(24:03):
and whatever his stuff with Muhammad Ali. If you've never
seen Howard Kosel or never heard of any of his broadcasts.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Am I right?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Kelvit like like he is my nice standard, the standard
back in the seventies on ABC Monday Night Football, Monday
Night Baseball, all the stuff, boxing, the Muhammad Ali stuff,
just great, great stuff. But he got out as a
he went out as a retired as a as a
bitter old man, and and and went after everybody, and
(24:32):
nobody was any good that's just not the way you
want to go out. And why why would the Steelers,
why would you have people? You won four Super Bowls,
you have a great connection with it.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You could criticize Mike Tomlin. Calling him a cheerleader is
like crossing the line. To me. You want to say
he doesn't do X, Y and Z well, or he's
not able to win a playoff game. He's only won one,
hasn't won a playoff game in ten that's all fair game.
It feels like something happened there where they don't value
(25:07):
his opinion. He went in and tried to get Tomlin fired,
and the Rooneyes don't want to hear from him, like
there's something there that makes him this guy. He attacked
Aaron Rodgers before he even got there. Aaron Rodgers said, Hey,
he's a legend. I don't know, Terry. I wish we
could meet and talk or what you know or whatever
(25:28):
it is. And I think there's a way to go
out with some grace when you've had such a distinguished
career and it doesn't mean and you know me, I'm
about keeping it real and being honest. Okay, but there's
a difference between the two and especially when you were
(25:49):
a part of something and now you want to burn
down everything on your way out, you know what I mean?
And I think that people remember that stuff. And I
don't know, if you're a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, are you
listening to Terry Bradshaw and thinking, yeah, there's Terry tell
it like it is either great quarterback of won four
Super Bowls or they go, look at this old dude,
(26:10):
who's you know, going out in a blaze of a
reckless just being reckless and destroying everything and trampling over
the organization and whatnot. Why do you want to hear
your hero go out like that? I don't know. It
doesn't feel good to me.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Listen, two things can be true, right, So I think
you just stated it. They have been a middling franchise
for a handful of years now. There are no expectations
for them to go to Super Bowl. I'm sure within
their building they absolutely believe they are. They ain't going
to the super Bowl. And it looks like to me
they're going to be a very similar team at best,
at best than what they were last I don't think
they'll even be that successful. So yes, if someone ask
(26:50):
him what is your analysis of this team this season?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
He gives it.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
I understand this, but to your point, taking personal shots
and calling a first of all man, a man who's
been really good most of the time in his profession,
Mike Tomlin a cheerleader. It is kind of crazy and
calling me that when we're in the same organization, calling
me that when we're trying to build something, and can
you know we are all part of this organization. You're
(27:14):
a legacy person, I'm in my front, I'm run a
part of my career. Help me build. Also, he's just
in his no fs to give phase of life. And
when old people get like that, you got a grandfather
who gonna tell you he's that boy out in that
behad Why you bring that girl up in here looking
like that. You're like, who oh, graps, listen to my
girlfriend or that's my friend or that's my you know,
he's in that place of life and somebody has to
(27:37):
kind of reel them in a little bit, because one
thing you would want from him someone like that is
to be constructive with the franchise, meaning come on back,
be a part of it, help us build this thing up.
We're open to your criticism We're open to talk to us.
What do you see Listen, you played the position. What
are you seeing that we can do differently? And that's
why I'm wondering. Is there some fracture with the with
(27:57):
the organization. Is there some beef that I don't know about.
I think is there something that he wanted? And he
even said that they'll never fire him.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I think that he went to them to get tom
and they've kept their guy, and they kept their guy
and said, no, Terry, we're not doing had three coaches
in fifty years, Terry, why do you think the Rudie's
gonna do something different?
Speaker 6 (28:19):
And that's kept them a good team. Now they want
to get over the top. They want to get back
to winning Super Bowls. But in order to do that,
you at least got to be competitive, and they've been that.
So again, I don't have a problem with him giving
him analysis of the team where they are what he expects.
But when you take shots at Aaron Rodgers just kind
of coming in, you take shots of the organization, you
take shots at Mike Tomlin, it kind of becomes what's
(28:41):
really going on, what's the motive, what's the impetus, what's
the genesis of this is the something more derooted?
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Is there something again we don't know about it? Is
there some beef with the family? Is just beef?
Speaker 6 (28:50):
What he wanted to be part I make This is
me speculating, you know you part of ownership?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Like what what's going on?
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Because typically what you see is guys being a part
of that welcome back. They're always you know, you look
at out Jerry Jones. Despite what I may say, you
may say, he may say, all the guys come back,
and they love being a part of Cowboy Nation, right,
they love being it's part of the franchise. The organizations
have that thing. He seems like maybe kind of slightly
on the outside. And again this is Kel Washington to speculator.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
He was a minority owner, but he sold his interests
back twenty years ago and was sitting there in the NFL.
This guy rocket, That's what I'm saying. And you missed it.
Why y'all maybe it's some beat. Why y'all ain't tell me.
Why didn't y'all tell me that this was about to happen.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
So I don't know, I just I feel like when
you're in a position to be more helpful to be
more of a of a part of the constructive buildings.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You don't have to be I want to say that,
you don't have to be rock guy. You don't have
to be Tiki Barb. But when the giants can do
no wrong, like if you listen to the radio show
in New York like that, like he is died in
the wall. Whatever the giants do. He wants to get
the goodie bag. He wants to be able to sweep
in the Swede, you know what, the with the owner
and all that. Like he is like on the other side.
(30:03):
So I'm not talking about you gotta be that because
you know what the.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Middle to your point, I think Troy Aikman is critical.
He's critical. Yeah, I don't think Jerry Jones did that right. No,
but he you know, he'll show up at the Ring
of Honor. So he's like, hey, my job is to
keep it a buck. I'm not gonna make anything personal.
I'm not gonna take any jabs as you're not. But
I'm gonna just tell the truth and where I am
with it. And and it's no love loss. Pull up
(30:27):
on me, come see me. Still be there with my
when the triplets come in town and him and Michael
Irvan and m Smith. I think Troy Aikman's kind of
find a great middle ground of that over his years
in my opinion. But yeah, I just like Terry. Terry
is in his no blanks to give era of life
and the Steelers can get some of this.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
That's why I brought up to Howard Cosell, because guys
go out like this.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Who was my man, Jimmy the Greek. Yeah, he went
out kind of just saying some wild stuff. There's some
other people who went a little too long. There was
health issues, like when Dick Clark.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
But a lot of these guys wind up getting fired
to like Brett Muspro like you know, like they think
that they're bulletproof and they can say they haven't read the.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Run era whatever they want.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
And you notice at Michigan, Frank Beckman was a long
time Michigan played by play guy for the Football and
then making He wrote a column about Tiger Woods and
fried chicken and Colla Greens or whatever, you know what
I mean and lost the radio.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
John.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Sometimes when you've been doing something so long, rob as
you know, not only I mean literally just from you
covering it like you're stuck in the air where you
can say things.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
And then you think, like you really think you're bulletproof.
I'm serious that you've been here that long.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
I see the difference just even between me sitting with
other anchors who were, you know, maybe fifteen to twenty
twenty five years my senior. They will say some stuff
that I'm like because they're from that era of the
eighties and nineties where I'm like, we can't say that anymore, y'all.
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