October 1, 2025 • 35 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us why they had a problem with Shedeur Sanders’ mime act in the locker room in the wake of the Cleveland Browns latest quarterback change, debate whether a strong postseason run would cement Shohei Ohtani as the greatest player in MLB history, and argue whether it’s worth it for Lamar Jackson to try and play through his current hamstring injury.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, it was an interesting day in Cleveland. First thing
that happened was we found out officially that Joe Flacker
was being benched. His days are done there in Cleveland.
Dylan Gabriel will be the QB one. But what's surprising
about the move is that even though Flacco's getting benched,
he is still the backup. Shador Sanders did not get elevated.
(00:48):
He's still QB three. Incidentally, Chador spoke to the media
before this went public, so they didn't know yet that
he we're going to happen with the quarterback situation, And
if you believe what he said or didn't say, certainly
sounds like he listens to the Odd Couple. Because recall
what Kelvin Washington told him to do last Friday with
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the microwave take time to rehit.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
An old contake that's gone cool on the outside. I
just go in the medal. It's microwave take with the
odd cup.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Of It's okay to be sh Door, Okay, it's all right.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Nothing wrong with you being Shdor. I like that you
can keep it down. Sometimes he didn't just keep it down.
He didn't talk at all. He acted like a mine
for about a minute and a half for the reporter
to do. They won't get anything from him, Shador Sanders
QB three. Still nothing changes, Dylan Gabriel starting in Cleveland,
and Shador had nothing to say, nothing to add to
the conversation. First of all, let me say it is
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Rob's I appreciate Shadoor listening to the odd couple.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
That means a lot to me. I'm sure it means
a lot to you, Rob.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
We always appreciate our fans, We appreciate everybody's supports the
show and listen.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And is a part of it. But DA gets your doing.
You took it too far.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
I didn't mean Shdor as in now all of a
sudden you are a.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Trade, world class trained mind. I didn't mean that you had.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
A show coming up where you're gonna be part of
the blue man group, maybe the browner or orange man
group in Cleveland. What this is what I mean when
you tell somebody to do something and they go too far.
You tell them to take an inch, they take a mile.
All I was simply saying, Rob's.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
For your door. You don't have to always give us
what's on your mind.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
That's what the group chat is for, right, That's what
you jump in and you say, man, these quarterbacks playing
like bums, or I told you I think I'm better
than cam Ward or Dylan Gabriel or BOWNICKX or some
of the younger quarterbacks. That's what that's for. The group chat.
You got like four or five brothers. Hit your brothers up,
hit your pops up. Hit Tom Bradio. I don't care
hit somebody, but you don't always have to present yourself
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like that at all times. And Rob, you know I've
defended them at times. I said, look better's a young man.
I still believe in the skill set. But man, you
ain't making it easy when you are a fifth round pick,
You're the third string guy on this team and you
do things like that.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Within now they got to come in and ignore it.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Sefanski doesn't want to answer questions about the team, doesn't
want to talk about you, and then now you're miming
and they're being asked a questions about your miming. So
these are the fast thing a fifth rounder, a third
stream backup guy needs to be doing, and he's doing it.
And you can do that if you're Patrick Mahomes and
you're having a phone with the media about something because
you're just blowing it off.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Hated, took too far.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Okay, you've earned that right, you have that equity, you've
built up that rapport with the city, the team, the
franchise and the community. You don't have that right now,
and so to be doing these types.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Of things, it's.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Probably frustrating, probably annoying for them, and to me it
is damaging. At last point, let me tell you a
little something about Joe Flacco. Rod Parker, I told you
I thought they should start Dylan Gabriel or Shador and
that you're trying to find your guy they want with
Joe flaccoh we get it. Joe Flacco's approving guy, veteran
super Bowl champ, but we knew what this was gonna be.
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Joe Flacco has six interceptions, in their first four games,
He's been sacked nine times. He has two touchdowns. That's
terrible football, but that's to be expected with the Browns
right now where they are. And the point of bringing
up Joe Flacco is because Schadur isn't back up to
Dylan Gabriel, probably a large part because of the antics
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and all the other stuff. They now have him third
string when this was what I told you. If you're Chador,
this is what you wanted. I told you Joe Flacco
was gonna play his way out just because he's Joe
Flacco at this point in his career, and Dylan Gabriel,
because he's a third rounder, is gonna be the starter,
and you could bump up the second and there's a
lot of football to be had. Maybe Dylan Gabriel is
a great, or maybe hurts himself and you're in. But
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now Joe Flacco's the backup, even though he's been trash.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Rob Well, it speaks volumes about Chadour.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
If anything, I mean, what in the world would you
do going back to a forty year old quarterback unless
you just don't believe Shador is ready to be And
if what it's the other reason it doesn't even make sense.
I didn't think it, maighe any sense to have two
rookie quarterbacks on the staff anyway. It doesn't make You
got to make a decision. You can't have two of them.
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It doesn't.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It just doesn't.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
That's why it can't be the backup. So, uh, you know,
if Dylan Gabriel has a couple of rough starts, then
you put in the other quarterback for a couple of
rough starts, it could be could be ugly either way.
I don't even understand what they're doing from that standpoint,
but it speaks volumes about Shador that they're not even
interested in seeing what this guy could do in an
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NFL game, And and uh, you know, I'm just it's strange.
It really is strange because none of it makes sense.
I don't think it has anything to do with the
antics and the other stuff. I don't believe that that
it has more to do with just him, uh and
his ability, because what else.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Could it be.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
And I don't know, Maybe they're just holding on to him.
Maybe they think somebody will be death brit and come
around and they could get a draft pick. Because that
is obvious that they're not interested in, and you know
how quarterbacks get hurt and things are happening, somebody might go, man,
we need a spark, we need something. Let's do something.
Let's let's get energizing, franchised. Let's just go for it.
Let's just throw.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Caution against the wind right and go get your door.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
And then the fan base, oh my god, you know
we're owing for but you're the Jets and you just decided, hey,
let's let's give.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Your door the reins.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
You know you're not gonna get anythings going with Justin Fields,
or you realize maybe he's just.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He is what he is, you know what I mean,
and he's not going to.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Be anything long term, and maybe you make a decision
like that, and that's something that could happen, and they say, hey,
we need a third round pick or fourth or a
couple of picks or something, and then that fifth round pick.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Turns into tou capital, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
For Cleveland, that could be the only reason, because they
keep them there. They let Zappie Bailey Zapi on the
practice splitting reps with Shador, which you don't see that happen,
and none of it makes any sense to me.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So also it has to be.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
And I do want to bring one last thing up.
I think you were part of it. You know Eric
Dickerson and all his conspiracy about the NFL, and I
think you guys were all wrong with the reporting that
says that the Eagles and the Ravens were both interested
and told not to draft him, that he didn't want
to go there. So there was all this, and you know,
Eric Dickerson had a reporter that he talked to people
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and they blackballed them and the league didn't We're gonna
show him. I never bought into that, and I think
the reporting points that out that this was Shador. Schador
was the one who did not want, you know what,
I mean, to go to the Ravens or go to
some other the Eagles where they have two star quarterbacks,
and he didn't want to go there. So this is
where we are. That makes more sense on why he
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dropped to me when you add that reporting.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
But I'll still say this, talent wise, I absolutely believe
that he was not a fifth round pick.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I'll I'll die on that.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Heels They say, could it be again his meetings or
some other things that very.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Wasn't a sixth round pick. It wasn't great. Tom Brady
wasn't great college. Tom Brady played quarterback at Michigan.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
He was I saw every one of his snaps. He was,
he was good, he was hitting great.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Okay, But you make it like you make it like
it's like Joe Montana was a fourth round pick. You
make it like, oh my god, how about uh what
the Rams quarterback wasn't even drafted?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Kurt Warner?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Wait, what do you what? You're throwing me off? What
do you I don't even get what you're saying. My
point is you make it.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
You make it as if like it's an exact science,
and guys like a Kurt Warner wasn't drafted or Tom
Brady was there making it like oh no, but no.
My point is that you're talking about, oh, for sure
he was this, or that I don't believe that.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
It's nobody knows. Nobody knows.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
But the reason why this was a big deal and
you had guys who've been doing this for thirty forty
years losing their minds, it's because we've never seen this.
Rob You gotta at least admit that we always have
a sleeper. A guy comes out the blue, a fifth round,
fourth round, sixth round, undrafted.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
That happens all the time you get your rock parties.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
But we don't have guys who are projected as a
first rounder drop to the fifth round unless there's something
that happens, some violent thing in their past or something
like that comes up.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
That's what made this unusual.
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Speaker 5 (10:06):
With that being said, I was watching going into this
series having the thought process I mean, and you've talked
about it.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Shoe Otani, who I believe is so great.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
I feel like he's actually understated just because of his
personality baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Maybe there's a slight language barrier.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
He hasn't been propped up to me as much as
you would if I told you what he did. But
going into this series Rob, I was thinking what's left
to be desired?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
What's left for him to do?
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Before you know, we really start to strongly have these
considers greatest ever. But I won't also just say ever,
because baseball been around one hundred and fifty years whatever
it is, so you know, I don't know what guys
are doing in nineteen eleven, but at least in the
relative last forty to fifty sixty years, because it's just
been remarkable what he's been able to do. Rob, and
I started to think, what is actually left for him
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to be done? Right, you start to dig into all
of the things that he's already done.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
When you look at the awards.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
When you look at the accolades, it's actually insane what
he has. So if you look at the MVPs, we
know how many, we know he looks like he's gonna
win another one, which would be just be absolutely incredible.
And then you start to look at now, he's always
a three time MVP, probably gonna be four, five time
All Star, three times Silver Slugger, Rookie of the Year,
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World Series title last year with the Dodgers, and I
was thinking, if he goes into this postseason in the
run that you know the Dodgers are hoping to have.
To me, Rob, this will be one of the biggest
things left for him to last season they win the
World Series.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
He was solid. You and I talked about it wasn't great,
was solid?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Okay, if he can go into this world, this postseason
run and potentially World Series run, and he's a main
cog kind of how Freddie Freeman was for them and
started off last night two home runs, if he has
one of those Barry Bonds, even though Barry Bonds didn't
win the World Series. But you know, he's just hitting
home runs. They're pitching around him. He's just dominant. And
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then OHSOEO. Tony has a couple of games where he
pitched six seven great innings, one run or shutout innings.
At a certain point, to me, Rob start to have
the conversation of where is he in the greatest of
all time?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Because what won't be left to be done. MVP's All Star.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
He's pitching at a high level, could be starting on
any and every team win the World Series, potentially when
a couple have a huge role in the World Series.
I'm seriously asking you. You've been covering baseball since nineteen
eighty six. I've enjoyed the game my whole life. It's
just been remarkable. And I think we're taking for granted
what we're witness team because we celebrated for one hundred
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years what Babe Ruth did and now he's doing it
at an even higher level.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
And it's just like we're almost like, oh, it's normal.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Stealing fifty bases, fifty innings, you know, fifty strikeouts, a
fifty five home runs?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Like what can he do? And it's just been incredible
to me.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Walk me off the ledge because I think I'm looking
at the best baseball player I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Tell me I'm crazy. I think you're crazy.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
And basically it's because baseball, unlike some other sports, how
there's a longevity that goes with baseball. And it's not
that he hasn't excelled. Okay, and I'll give you the
perfect example.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
You don't even need to go far and lost.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Everybody told me Mike Trout was going to be the
greatest player ever with his start to his career. Am
I wrong on that?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
No? He was right there.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
And now Mike Trout is not considered that anymore because
what of his health. Because it's great how you start,
it depends on how you finish. There's a there's a
long road to go in Major League Baseball. You don't
you don't have an eight year career and that's all
you look at. You just talked about he made five
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All Star Games. Hank Aaron made twenty five All Star Games.
You hear me, twenty five. And so it's not that
I'm discounting him. I don't think he's a great player.
What makes me pump the brakes on him is I
think he's not the greatest pitcher and he's not the
greatest hitter.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
This year, go look at.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
His numbers, and you could just look at the fifty
five homewards he batted under three hundred. Right after last
year he batted above three hundred. He had fifty stolen
bas last year, not as many this year. Obviously, he
pitched this year, didn't pitch last year. So I get
that there were things that were involved, and then we
have to see where his pitching leads him. He's had
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numerous injuries. Correct, right, what if he's shelved again and
has to have another surgery on his arm, then that
takes him out of the mix of the pitching thing.
As long as that's a thing, and that's a part
of his equation, Calvin, I'll give you that that He's
always going to be looked that way without the pitching,
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and it's just him as a hitter, think that other
people are in play. He's not the best hitter in baseball.
He's not Aaron Judges power and average. Aaron Judge is
a better hitter than show Hal.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Tim disagree.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
I will give you that Aaron Judges, but I do
feel like when I need a hit, I would probably
take show Hal. If you told me this game game seven,
you know bat, I'm gonna take shows.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
But I'm just saying off the numbers. I mean you're
talking about situational.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
I'm talking about Yeah, I'll give you the numbers, just
year to year, hit to hit, back to at bat.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
I'll give you that with Aaron Judge, but you don't know.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
What I'm saying that doesn't mean that he's a because
that No, no, no, I'm just saying, you know, and
then how many you don't.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Have to and hey Aaron, No, no, no, yeah, three hitter? No.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
But the idea is, if you're gonna say somebody is
the greatest of all time, did I? There's gotta be
more to it. There are other players we can't discount. Yes,
they didn't pitch, and get I get the pitching part.
If he wins a cy Young and an MVP, I'll
put my microphone down and I'll be quiet, okay, because
then then is there a debate or a question to that. No,
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he's been very good as a pitcher, not great. He's
not the greatest pitcher.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
He's not. He's very good.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Here's the thing where you can said he's not the
best hitter. If you say he's not the best. Uh,
if you say he's not the best pitcher. I get that.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
We just talked about Schoob, there's Skins, there's other guys.
We know that. The thing that makes this interesting, though, Rob,
is what.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
If he were just like meaning, if the Dodger just
rolled him up, he just got off injury, you know,
and they rolled him out this year. I don't know
what he might be next year. He might actually be
the best pitcher.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
He might be.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Considered a Siye Young candidate next year. That is not
even far fetch. And when you look at what he's
been able to do this year, so we're well into
the possibility that he could be the best pitcher in
a particular league in this case NL next year. That's
not crazy. And then you keep saying he's not the
best hitter, Well, he's arguably the best situational hitter, and
he's right there for the best hitter and overall in baseball.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
So to me, if you're right there in both those positions.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Oh and by the way, he could play outfield if
they needed him in a pinch any moment. And oh,
by the way, if he really wanted to get still
fifty bases, that's incredible. That's remarkable. And that's to me
why this guy is a freaking unicorn. And that what
do you need me? I need you still basis to
night for the next couple of weeks. Right now, we
need want to produce some runs, gotcha? Oh, we need you,
as a matter of fact, go six seven to night.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
We need you to pitch. Oh okay, gotcha, Hey, damn man,
we've had any two home runs?
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Okay, so you just you said a situational hitting he's
great or whatever. This past year with runners in scoring position,
he batted two forty seven. It's not great that those
were no numbers for twenty twenty five. So so when
you you know, like I get it, like the numbers
are glossed over because you can see the fifty five
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home runs he's batting two eighty five. He has one
hundred RBIs, but that's not a great number, two forty
seven with rudders in scoring position. All I'm saying is
he's a phenomenal player. And if he's able to maintain
and pitch, do I think he's gonna have pitch his
entire career? I do not.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
I really don't.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Given that he's been injured two or three times already,
I think that there's a chance that he won't be
able to do that. Well, I think they are he
stops pitching, he stops pitching. You still wouldn say he
stops pitching after this year, just say or next year? Okay,
And you know it doesn't amount to like big time stats.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
But he stopped.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
He did it, but he did, he stops doing it,
becomes Babe Bruce who became just a hit her. Would
you still look at him the same way, say it's
a great player. Ever, if his pitching.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Career got I will have seen enough.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Meaning I saw the dude pitch for six seven years,
however long it would have been at that point you
were playing the game hypothetical anywhere from six to eight
years in MLB at an extremely high level. Then I've
seen him still bases. Then I've seen him play center
field at times. Then I've seen him hit obviously home
runs and sading dodge her.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
That Dodgers setting Dodger records.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Dude, Yeah, I don't know. He probably That's why I'm saying.
The only other thing I want to see him have
a great playoff rung where he was just on fire,
which could happen this year, would.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Be amazing to see.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You know what it is?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
What's his pitching? I couldn't. I didn't hear you. Here's
what now?
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Pitching record? What's his record when he pitches? Do you
know what it is?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I put no, I'll pull it up right now.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Thirty nine and twenty so he's nineteen games over five hundred,
and he's got a three.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Earra lifetop good really good.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Since the greatest ever noh is not and that that.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
That's where, but that's the bar said he's Sandy KOFACTX.
I didn't say he was Sandy Cofax. I didn't say
he was Barry Bonds. He is the hybrid of those
two almost, which just makes it incredible. If he was
just like a they throw key k her Nanda's out there,
Hey man, we need somebody to go throw, you know,
a few pitchures we're getting blown out to that Roore
blowing the other team and KK because he pitched, you know,
(20:19):
he could throw a little bit.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Okay, Hi, I'd be cute if that was show.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Hey. No, he's a legitimate starter who's gonna start potentially
in the World Series if they get that is crazy.
And he also might hit a home run in the
World Series. And the fact that what I'm saying is
not far fetch is incredible. And the fact that he
could maybe still a base in a World Series game
as well, and dad going and if somebody tweaked.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
The knee or a hand, and if they need him
in center field, he can do it. That is insane
to me, Rob, And I'm again because it's twenty twenty five.
We have a million things going on in our lives.
We have a million social media apps and this going on.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
If this word circa nineteen ninety two, we would be
talking about they would lead every conversation all day with
this guy does. But because we have a million things
even there's just too much going on in the world,
we're kind of like, oh yeah, by the way, Shohy
is like incredible.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
But we kind of just move on.
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Speaker 4 (21:17):
All right, Rob g.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Lamar Jackson obviously one of the best players in the NFL,
having a really good season even though the team isn't
and he's missed a few plays. He had a bad
game against the Chiefs before we ultimately pulled out. Right now,
that hamstring has him down, still questionable if he is
going to play, and therein lies the conversation of well
(21:40):
what do you do with Lamar Jackson coming up into
this next week as they get ready to face the Texans,
so they'll be hosting the Texans. Texans coming off a
win finally. Texans been struggling throughout the season, and a
lot of people are saying, you know, and I'll start
with me, Rob.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
G One thing we learn in sports, things aren't a guarantee, right.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Things all will have this next year, will be good
next year, the schedule will be easy, next year, will
have our health next year?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
You never really know.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
And so to me, I look at the game like
this for the Ravens, a team that sit at one
and three, as are the Texans, a team that, ultimately
I believe are the team that's kind of usually built
to come back. Rob and I both believe last year
they were zeroing to they'll be fine, and they were
getting and got to the postseason. But this season feels different.
The defense has been given up way too many points.
(22:35):
You can score thirty on them easily, no matter who
you are. You got injuries all up and down the
defensive side of the ball. You got obviously a nicked
up Lamar Jackson. So what I'm gonna say, I am
gonna preface with a little bit of great assault of
the only person who knows how injured he is is
Lamar Jackson, you get what I mean? And if Lamar
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Jackson is looking at John Harbud he's like, Yo, I'm
really hurt right now.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Then it's changes the conversation.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
But if it's a hamstring that he can play through,
that he can push through to me, rob G, I'm
gonna make that effort if I'm Lamar Jackson, because you're
sitting at one in three. They're not built with Huntley
as their backup, with any other backup coming in, They're
not built to win without him. This team, this system,
this offense is run through him. Simply put, it's how
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dynamic he is that makes this team go. It's the
ability to run, it's the ability to pass, it's the
ability to even the thought that gives the.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Defense to hesitate one to one millisecond.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
That then makes them great because guys get open, Zayflowers open,
Andrews is open, then you can hand them off to
Derrick Henry.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I can't do that without him, and I can't lose.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
This game to the Texans who may be feeling themselves
feeling like they can write the ship a little bit.
And we know what else If the Texans haven't been
anything else. Robb g one thing they've been over the
last couple of years, two three years is good. Defensively,
you look at the season so far. The Rams barely
beat them, the Rams, who some field could be the
best team in the NFC, they barely beat them fourteen
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to nine. The Bucks beat them by one and held
them to twenty. The Jags only had seventeen last week.
There are two weeks ago, and then the Titans don't
score at all. So my point is, without Lamar is
a very winnable game for the Texans, specifically how well
their defense is, and also for them feeling like maybe
they can find they found a little thing or two offensively.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
So I don't want to go down one four.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
And then all of a sudden from the Ravens, you
start to look at the rest of your schedule right
where you're like, oh, shoot, this gets a little tough
for us. The Ravens have aspirations for Super Bowls for postseasons,
and then you don't want to go up against Then
you got the Rams. The Bears seemed like, you know,
a tougher team, Dolphins could be easy, but then you
got the Vikings, a tougher team. Then you got a
division of one with the good defensive team, the Browns
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who held you up earlier. You beat them earlier, but
you never know defensively. And then you'll got some other teams.
The Steelers look like you know their quality. You got
the Packers as well, so you don't want to get
too far behind. To me, so if he looks at
me and he feeling seventy percent, is I want to
go for this because I want to go two and
three and start to turn this thing around. Because to me,
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with Lamar Jackson, every season as a potential super Bowl
season and I don't want to waste it and waste
an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
That's me.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
You could not be more wrong, k Devi because to
your point, if Lamar Jackson is only seventy percent, and
that might be generous, right because they've said as soon
as he injured his hamstring through reports for multiple weeks,
you know, two to three weeks he could miss. It
wasn't until Wednesday morning that Tom Pelacero float out the
idea that he could try to play, because as you mentioned,
they're so far behind the eight ball and they got
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to get some wins as much as they can.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
But if he's only seventy.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Percent, and let's say he plays against Houston, he gets
out unscathed, not further injury. He gets to the Rams game,
and he again avoids further injury. He just kind of
hangs on.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
The chance.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
The thing about hamstrings is they don't get better, right
like you don't. The only way those kind of soft
tinged tissue injuries ever heal is with rest. You cannot
heal a hamstring by playing on it and throttling down
to fifty percent sixty percent, because number one, you're more
likely to get hurt playing that way by not playing
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full speed, and number two, when you do try to
push it, you just physically can't because your hamster's gonna
tuget you and pull at you. And especially if you're
a running quarterback or a mobile quarterback like Lamar Jackson
is the greatest in NFL history, you run the risk
of re injuring yourself again. So even if he hypothetically
is able to avoid injuring himself further by playing on it,
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the fact remains is the Baltimore Ravens, to your point,
are not good enough around Lamar Jackson where they can
make any noise with him at seventy percent point playing period,
they cannot compete in the AFC with Buffalo and Kansas
City and the Chargers, or how maybe even Aaron Rodgers
is dude, I don't think that's gonna happen, but you
cannot compete in the AFC with Lamar is not healthy,
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Which is why I believe you sit him this Sunday,
no matter what he tells you. If he says, Coach,
I'm ready to go. I know I can't really run
that much, but I'm ready to give you all I can.
I'm gonna win here against Houston. I believe from what
we've seen with Houston the last year or so that
as bad as that Baltimore defense is, they can do
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enough to shut down CJ. Stroud and company. We talked
about it up until last week when they were only
have six to nothing at half. Then this offensive explosion
there in the second half, aided by a lot of
really poor play by Tennessee. They hadn't crossed the twenty
point threshold in seven of their previous nine games. So
I believe with Cooper Rush under center and his career
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two to one interception to touchdown, ratio or touchdown interception
like you have that backwards, they can win that game.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
They can get to two and three.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Now, obviously, playing the Rams is a whole different monster.
Not only would they be a problem with Lamar jacksony
obviously be a problem without Lamar Jackson because that wars
nasty Jared Versus on the edge, and those guys like
they can really bring the pass rushing away, and not
a lot of teams can across the NFL. But if
you can sit Lamar through those two games, and let's
say you split, you head into your bye week at
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two and four, you come out of it ideally with
the healthy Lamar Jackson three weeks rested. You got the
Bears at home, the Dolphins on the road, which you're
not scared of them at all. You got the Vikings,
which could be plucky. Obviously that could be a tough team.
Then you got the Browns, the Jets, the Bengals, the Steelers,
the Bengals, the Patriots. None of those teams make me
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nervous if I'm a Baltimore Ravens fan, because coming into
this season, they were the popular pick for popular people
to win the Super Bowl. So even if they don't
have all their horses defensively, or even if they don't
have the peak Baltimore Ravens, we thought they're getting even
eighty percent of them is good enough to run the
table pretty well down the second half of the season.
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So if you rest Lamar, get him to one hundred
percent and let him carry you the rest of the way,
the same way Joe Burrow did last season. I know
it didn't really work out the even to get to
the playoffs caause what happened on the tie breakers. But
if you get to two and four into the bye week,
Lamar Jackson, get you to ten wins, and ten wins
will be enough to get in the posty in the AFC.
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And then and then you hope that you have enough
there where he's good enough on any given Sunday to
be the difference.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Between you winning and losing. So that was cute.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Here's the thing, all right, I'm looking at a team
where defensively, if I'm Lamar Jackson, right, you put up
the forty bill, say that's cute. We put up forty
one the Browns. Obviously you beat them Browns of the Browns.
Obviously that Rounds have a good defense. But they're struggling
right now. Dalen Gabriel, we don't know what that experiment's
going to be. You put up thirty you still, Lion,
say that's cute.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
We got thirty eight. The Chiefs put up thirty seven
on your head.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
The reason I say this is because you talk about
the Texans, but the Texans are licking their chop at
the Ravens defense. The Texans and said, let me tell
you who I'm looking forward to playing this week. If
I could pick a team, you would think, historically surely
wouldn't be the Ravens. They're like, let us pick the
Ravens because even with Lamar, okay, he's gonna score, but
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we got a chance to score because they're giving up
big points. In fact, again the last couple of games
thirty seven points, thirty eight points, and even a forty
one piece two weeks before that. So the Texans feel like,
if there's anyone that we can put up some points
against rob g it would be the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Now.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Also, you talk about soft tissue handstrings all that, well,
guess what he's gonna be dealing with the remainder of
the year a hamstring issue. Because there's no such thing
as well. I gave it two to three weeks ahead
and bye a week and a Hamstreet print. No hamstrings
are gonna bother you are gonna bother you are gonna
bother you.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Now, Yes, that's why I said. There's degrees right, there's
I don't there's full really really pulled.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
And doctor's like, yo, you're absolutely gonna shred this thing.
Then there's all right. It's gonna hurt, and to be
honest with you, is probably gonna hurt for a very
long time.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
But we can manage it.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
You can. We can put some tape on it, give
you some payments. It's gonna be a bothersome thing throughout
the season. I have a feeling that's what this is
gonna be. So the idea that I rest them a
week or so isn't really gonna do much because what
you said, anybody who's had a bad back, anybody who's
had a hamstring, anybody who's had these certain types of issues.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I'm about to deal with this until I can sit
my butt down for six eight weeks and really rest it.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
And again I hear what you're saying, I really do, like,
why wouldn't I want to rest my best player, the guy,
the franchise player.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
My concern is you lose to the Texans.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Now you're one and four, you surely like now to
your point, oh well, then maybe we wrestling with the Rams.
I can't wrestle with the Ram because Rams doesn't for
sure loss. If Lamar ain't playing, now you're one in
five season is done. So to me, these next two
weeks are critical and the only chance I have of
winning is with Lamar Jackson, even if I hand it
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off the ball, God forbid. By the way John Harmon
right hand the ball off twenty five thirty. You have
the most built forward guy in the NFL, and Dereck
Henry if I just showed you him, if you fell
from Mars, I said, look at this specimen, and you say, yeah,
let's give him five carries. Look, that's crazy. So point
being Lamar Jackson being out there wink wink, kind of
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sort of being a decoy and we run the heck
out of the ball could change things a little bit
for them where he doesn't have to be so dynamic
as you mentioned. But I can't sit him and lose
to the Texans, and I can't lose sen him and
lose to the Rams. Now my season is done and
you just don't want to wait seasons.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
With a guy like Okay, humor me.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Do you believe even after what we see with their
defense do the first month of the season, do you
believe with the healthy Lamar Jackson that the Ravens you
still make a run in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yes? Because Lamar literally like him and with Henry, they're
that dynamic. Again.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
You put up thirty on the lines, you put a
forty on the bills, you know what I mean? You
put you can win a shoot at the ball? Yes, Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Do you think with a seventy sixty five percent Lamar
Jackson they can win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Make the Super Bowl? Likely?
Speaker 7 (33:05):
No?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
So then what are we doing here? Are we gonna
race to go eight to eight?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
No, eight and seven?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Seventeen games? Gosh, eight and nine?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I know, right, Louise, Like, if the goal is to
win a Super Bowl, which is where they are in Baltimore,
They're not in the business of just being solid. They
are not my Raiders. We're like, hey, if we make
the playoffs, that's a good year for us. Like, no,
they are in the business of winning, and they have
what I believe in. You believe a lot of people
believe to be the best player in football, point blank
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in Lamar Jackson. And when you have that kind of
guy on your team, the expectation is if we're not
gonna win the Super Bowl, we're at least competing for
it year in and year out. And if Lamar Jackson
is not healthy, you are not competing for a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
So what are we doing? Are we just trying to
be relevant? Would we like to be the Utah Jazz
of football? No, we want to win the whole damn thing,
and we can't win the thing if he's not he's
not help.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Here's the thing, though, I hear you and another normal
circumstances unders saying what you're getting, And again I don't
think you're I don't think you're crazy for this. But
my thought process is, and we're watching this right now
with the Eagles. Who was the best running back in
the NFL last year, Kwon Barkley, who is the most
mid running back right now in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Not Bolling wise, per se.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
But it just isn't working right now right Maybe he
lost the step, Maybe the offensive line isn't as great.
Maybe it's all the above. Maybe it's generally hurts and
they don't know exactly how they want to run into.
My point is, I can't come into it next year
knowing Zay Flowers.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Maybe I have to pick. Maybe he wants more.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Maybe Andrews is a year he starts to getting his
Travis Kelsey bag where he ain't what he used to be.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Right.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Also, maybe Dereck Henry finally has the decline. He will
be what thirty two is or something like that by
the next year. So my point is, I hear what
you're saying, but I can't go, oh, next year will
be low. You just never simply know. And that's the
dangerous thing when you're playing the the You know, in
a sport where it's not a baseball season, what do
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I do?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Man?
Speaker 5 (35:03):
You go on an eye up and down on the
ile all the year long, right because we got a
long season basketball, Man, take a month off. We got
a long season football. You miss four or five six games,
it can change things. So I don't think what you're
saying is crazy, and I don't think it's asinine, and
I think a lot of people might feel that way.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
I just feel if Lamar gives me a look like
he's ready to go. Dang it.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
I can win a couple of games, kind of get
get some things going, because again, I don't want to
waste the season with Lamar Jackson. And I look up
and it's another season where he was incredibly talented and
blah blah blah, and we have nothing to show for it.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, it was an interesting day in Cleveland. First thing
that happened was we found out officially that Joe Flacker
was being benched. His days are done there in Cleveland.
Dylan Gabriel will be the QB one. But what's surprising
about the move is that even though Flacco's getting benched,
he is still the backup. Shador Sanders did not get elevated.
(00:48):
He's still QB three. Incidentally, Chador spoke to the media
before this went public, so they didn't know yet that
he we're going to happen with the quarterback situation, And
if you believe what he said or didn't say, certainly
sounds like he listens to the Odd Couple. Because recall
what Kelvin Washington told him to do last Friday with
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the microwave take time to rehit.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
An old contake that's gone cool on the outside. I
just go in the medal. It's microwave take with the
odd cup.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Of It's okay to be sh Door, Okay, it's all right.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Nothing wrong with you being Shdor. I like that you
can keep it down. Sometimes he didn't just keep it down.
He didn't talk at all. He acted like a mine
for about a minute and a half for the reporter
to do. They won't get anything from him, Shador Sanders
QB three. Still nothing changes, Dylan Gabriel starting in Cleveland,
and Shador had nothing to say, nothing to add to
the conversation. First of all, let me say it is
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Rob's I appreciate Shadoor listening to the odd couple.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
That means a lot to me. I'm sure it means
a lot to you, Rob.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
We always appreciate our fans, We appreciate everybody's supports the
show and listen.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And is a part of it. But DA gets your doing.
You took it too far.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
I didn't mean Shdor as in now all of a
sudden you are a.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Trade, world class trained mind. I didn't mean that you had.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
A show coming up where you're gonna be part of
the blue man group, maybe the browner or orange man
group in Cleveland. What this is what I mean when
you tell somebody to do something and they go too far.
You tell them to take an inch, they take a mile.
All I was simply saying, Rob's.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
For your door. You don't have to always give us
what's on your mind.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
That's what the group chat is for, right, That's what
you jump in and you say, man, these quarterbacks playing
like bums, or I told you I think I'm better
than cam Ward or Dylan Gabriel or BOWNICKX or some
of the younger quarterbacks. That's what that's for. The group chat.
You got like four or five brothers. Hit your brothers up,
hit your pops up. Hit Tom Bradio. I don't care
hit somebody, but you don't always have to present yourself
(02:52):
like that at all times. And Rob, you know I've
defended them at times. I said, look better's a young man.
I still believe in the skill set. But man, you
ain't making it easy when you are a fifth round pick,
You're the third string guy on this team and you
do things like that.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Within now they got to come in and ignore it.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Sefanski doesn't want to answer questions about the team, doesn't
want to talk about you, and then now you're miming
and they're being asked a questions about your miming. So
these are the fast thing a fifth rounder, a third
stream backup guy needs to be doing, and he's doing it.
And you can do that if you're Patrick Mahomes and
you're having a phone with the media about something because
you're just blowing it off.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Hated, took too far.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Okay, you've earned that right, you have that equity, you've
built up that rapport with the city, the team, the
franchise and the community. You don't have that right now,
and so to be doing these types.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Of things, it's.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Probably frustrating, probably annoying for them, and to me it
is damaging. At last point, let me tell you a
little something about Joe Flacco. Rod Parker, I told you
I thought they should start Dylan Gabriel or Shador and
that you're trying to find your guy they want with
Joe flaccoh we get it. Joe Flacco's approving guy, veteran
super Bowl champ, but we knew what this was gonna be.
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Joe Flacco has six interceptions, in their first four games,
He's been sacked nine times. He has two touchdowns. That's
terrible football, but that's to be expected with the Browns
right now where they are. And the point of bringing
up Joe Flacco is because Schadur isn't back up to
Dylan Gabriel, probably a large part because of the antics
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and all the other stuff. They now have him third
string when this was what I told you. If you're Chador,
this is what you wanted. I told you Joe Flacco
was gonna play his way out just because he's Joe
Flacco at this point in his career, and Dylan Gabriel,
because he's a third rounder, is gonna be the starter,
and you could bump up the second and there's a
lot of football to be had. Maybe Dylan Gabriel is
a great, or maybe hurts himself and you're in. But
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now Joe Flacco's the backup, even though he's been trash.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Rob Well, it speaks volumes about Chadour.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
If anything, I mean, what in the world would you
do going back to a forty year old quarterback unless
you just don't believe Shador is ready to be And
if what it's the other reason it doesn't even make sense.
I didn't think it, maighe any sense to have two
rookie quarterbacks on the staff anyway. It doesn't make You
got to make a decision. You can't have two of them.
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It doesn't.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It just doesn't.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
That's why it can't be the backup. So, uh, you know,
if Dylan Gabriel has a couple of rough starts, then
you put in the other quarterback for a couple of
rough starts, it could be could be ugly either way.
I don't even understand what they're doing from that standpoint,
but it speaks volumes about Shador that they're not even
interested in seeing what this guy could do in an
(05:36):
NFL game, And and uh, you know, I'm just it's strange.
It really is strange because none of it makes sense.
I don't think it has anything to do with the
antics and the other stuff. I don't believe that that
it has more to do with just him, uh and
his ability, because what else.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Could it be.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
And I don't know, Maybe they're just holding on to him.
Maybe they think somebody will be death brit and come
around and they could get a draft pick. Because that
is obvious that they're not interested in, and you know
how quarterbacks get hurt and things are happening, somebody might go, man,
we need a spark, we need something. Let's do something.
Let's let's get energizing, franchised. Let's just go for it.
Let's just throw.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Caution against the wind right and go get your door.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
And then the fan base, oh my god, you know
we're owing for but you're the Jets and you just decided, hey,
let's let's give.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Your door the reins.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
You know you're not gonna get anythings going with Justin Fields,
or you realize maybe he's just.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He is what he is, you know what I mean,
and he's not going to.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Be anything long term, and maybe you make a decision
like that, and that's something that could happen, and they say, hey,
we need a third round pick or fourth or a
couple of picks or something, and then that fifth round pick.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Turns into tou capital, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
For Cleveland, that could be the only reason, because they
keep them there. They let Zappie Bailey Zapi on the
practice splitting reps with Shador, which you don't see that happen,
and none of it makes any sense to me.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So also it has to be.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
And I do want to bring one last thing up.
I think you were part of it. You know Eric
Dickerson and all his conspiracy about the NFL, and I
think you guys were all wrong with the reporting that
says that the Eagles and the Ravens were both interested
and told not to draft him, that he didn't want
to go there. So there was all this, and you know,
Eric Dickerson had a reporter that he talked to people
(07:29):
and they blackballed them and the league didn't We're gonna
show him. I never bought into that, and I think
the reporting points that out that this was Shador. Schador
was the one who did not want, you know what,
I mean, to go to the Ravens or go to
some other the Eagles where they have two star quarterbacks,
and he didn't want to go there. So this is
where we are. That makes more sense on why he
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dropped to me when you add that reporting.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
But I'll still say this, talent wise, I absolutely believe
that he was not a fifth round pick.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I'll I'll die on that.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Heels They say, could it be again his meetings or
some other things that very.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Wasn't a sixth round pick. It wasn't great. Tom Brady
wasn't great college. Tom Brady played quarterback at Michigan.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
He was I saw every one of his snaps. He was,
he was good, he was hitting great.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Okay, But you make it like you make it like
it's like Joe Montana was a fourth round pick. You
make it like, oh my god, how about uh what
the Rams quarterback wasn't even drafted?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Kurt Warner?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Wait, what do you what? You're throwing me off? What
do you I don't even get what you're saying. My
point is you make it.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
You make it as if like it's an exact science,
and guys like a Kurt Warner wasn't drafted or Tom
Brady was there making it like oh no, but no.
My point is that you're talking about, oh, for sure
he was this, or that I don't believe that.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
It's nobody knows. Nobody knows.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
But the reason why this was a big deal and
you had guys who've been doing this for thirty forty
years losing their minds, it's because we've never seen this.
Rob You gotta at least admit that we always have
a sleeper. A guy comes out the blue, a fifth round,
fourth round, sixth round, undrafted.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
That happens all the time you get your rock parties.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
But we don't have guys who are projected as a
first rounder drop to the fifth round unless there's something
that happens, some violent thing in their past or something
like that comes up.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
That's what made this unusual.
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Speaker 5 (10:06):
With that being said, I was watching going into this
series having the thought process I mean, and you've talked
about it.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Shoe Otani, who I believe is so great.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
I feel like he's actually understated just because of his
personality baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Maybe there's a slight language barrier.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
He hasn't been propped up to me as much as
you would if I told you what he did. But
going into this series Rob, I was thinking what's left
to be desired?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
What's left for him to do?
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Before you know, we really start to strongly have these
considers greatest ever. But I won't also just say ever,
because baseball been around one hundred and fifty years whatever
it is, so you know, I don't know what guys
are doing in nineteen eleven, but at least in the
relative last forty to fifty sixty years, because it's just
been remarkable what he's been able to do. Rob, and
I started to think, what is actually left for him
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to be done? Right, you start to dig into all
of the things that he's already done.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
When you look at the awards.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
When you look at the accolades, it's actually insane what
he has. So if you look at the MVPs, we
know how many, we know he looks like he's gonna
win another one, which would be just be absolutely incredible.
And then you start to look at now, he's always
a three time MVP, probably gonna be four, five time
All Star, three times Silver Slugger, Rookie of the Year,
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World Series title last year with the Dodgers, and I
was thinking, if he goes into this postseason in the
run that you know the Dodgers are hoping to have.
To me, Rob, this will be one of the biggest
things left for him to last season they win the
World Series.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
He was solid. You and I talked about it wasn't great,
was solid?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Okay, if he can go into this world, this postseason
run and potentially World Series run, and he's a main
cog kind of how Freddie Freeman was for them and
started off last night two home runs, if he has
one of those Barry Bonds, even though Barry Bonds didn't
win the World Series. But you know, he's just hitting
home runs. They're pitching around him. He's just dominant. And
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then OHSOEO. Tony has a couple of games where he
pitched six seven great innings, one run or shutout innings.
At a certain point, to me, Rob start to have
the conversation of where is he in the greatest of
all time?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Because what won't be left to be done. MVP's All Star.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
He's pitching at a high level, could be starting on
any and every team win the World Series, potentially when
a couple have a huge role in the World Series.
I'm seriously asking you. You've been covering baseball since nineteen
eighty six. I've enjoyed the game my whole life. It's
just been remarkable. And I think we're taking for granted
what we're witness team because we celebrated for one hundred
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years what Babe Ruth did and now he's doing it
at an even higher level.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
And it's just like we're almost like, oh, it's normal.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Stealing fifty bases, fifty innings, you know, fifty strikeouts, a
fifty five home runs?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Like what can he do? And it's just been incredible
to me.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Walk me off the ledge because I think I'm looking
at the best baseball player I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Tell me I'm crazy. I think you're crazy.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
And basically it's because baseball, unlike some other sports, how
there's a longevity that goes with baseball. And it's not
that he hasn't excelled. Okay, and I'll give you the
perfect example.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
You don't even need to go far and lost.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Everybody told me Mike Trout was going to be the
greatest player ever with his start to his career. Am
I wrong on that?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
No? He was right there.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
And now Mike Trout is not considered that anymore because
what of his health. Because it's great how you start,
it depends on how you finish. There's a there's a
long road to go in Major League Baseball. You don't
you don't have an eight year career and that's all
you look at. You just talked about he made five
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All Star Games. Hank Aaron made twenty five All Star Games.
You hear me, twenty five. And so it's not that
I'm discounting him. I don't think he's a great player.
What makes me pump the brakes on him is I
think he's not the greatest pitcher and he's not the
greatest hitter.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
This year, go look at.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
His numbers, and you could just look at the fifty
five homewards he batted under three hundred. Right after last
year he batted above three hundred. He had fifty stolen
bas last year, not as many this year. Obviously, he
pitched this year, didn't pitch last year. So I get
that there were things that were involved, and then we
have to see where his pitching leads him. He's had
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numerous injuries. Correct, right, what if he's shelved again and
has to have another surgery on his arm, then that
takes him out of the mix of the pitching thing.
As long as that's a thing, and that's a part
of his equation, Calvin, I'll give you that that He's
always going to be looked that way without the pitching,
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and it's just him as a hitter, think that other
people are in play. He's not the best hitter in baseball.
He's not Aaron Judges power and average. Aaron Judge is
a better hitter than show Hal.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Tim disagree.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
I will give you that Aaron Judges, but I do
feel like when I need a hit, I would probably
take show Hal. If you told me this game game seven,
you know bat, I'm gonna take shows.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
But I'm just saying off the numbers. I mean you're
talking about situational.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
I'm talking about Yeah, I'll give you the numbers, just
year to year, hit to hit, back to at bat.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
I'll give you that with Aaron Judge, but you don't know.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
What I'm saying that doesn't mean that he's a because
that No, no, no, I'm just saying, you know, and
then how many you don't.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Have to and hey Aaron, No, no, no, yeah, three hitter? No.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
But the idea is, if you're gonna say somebody is
the greatest of all time, did I? There's gotta be
more to it. There are other players we can't discount. Yes,
they didn't pitch, and get I get the pitching part.
If he wins a cy Young and an MVP, I'll
put my microphone down and I'll be quiet, okay, because
then then is there a debate or a question to that. No,
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he's been very good as a pitcher, not great. He's
not the greatest pitcher.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
He's not. He's very good.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Here's the thing where you can said he's not the
best hitter. If you say he's not the best. Uh,
if you say he's not the best pitcher. I get that.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
We just talked about Schoob, there's Skins, there's other guys.
We know that. The thing that makes this interesting, though, Rob,
is what.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
If he were just like meaning, if the Dodger just
rolled him up, he just got off injury, you know,
and they rolled him out this year. I don't know
what he might be next year. He might actually be
the best pitcher.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
He might be.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Considered a Siye Young candidate next year. That is not
even far fetch. And when you look at what he's
been able to do this year, so we're well into
the possibility that he could be the best pitcher in
a particular league in this case NL next year. That's
not crazy. And then you keep saying he's not the
best hitter, Well, he's arguably the best situational hitter, and
he's right there for the best hitter and overall in baseball.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
So to me, if you're right there in both those positions.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Oh and by the way, he could play outfield if
they needed him in a pinch any moment. And oh,
by the way, if he really wanted to get still
fifty bases, that's incredible. That's remarkable. And that's to me
why this guy is a freaking unicorn. And that what
do you need me? I need you still basis to
night for the next couple of weeks. Right now, we
need want to produce some runs, gotcha? Oh, we need you,
as a matter of fact, go six seven to night.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
We need you to pitch. Oh okay, gotcha, Hey, damn man,
we've had any two home runs?
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Okay, so you just you said a situational hitting he's
great or whatever. This past year with runners in scoring position,
he batted two forty seven. It's not great that those
were no numbers for twenty twenty five. So so when
you you know, like I get it, like the numbers
are glossed over because you can see the fifty five
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home runs he's batting two eighty five. He has one
hundred RBIs, but that's not a great number, two forty
seven with rudders in scoring position. All I'm saying is
he's a phenomenal player. And if he's able to maintain
and pitch, do I think he's gonna have pitch his
entire career? I do not.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
I really don't.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Given that he's been injured two or three times already,
I think that there's a chance that he won't be
able to do that. Well, I think they are he
stops pitching, he stops pitching. You still wouldn say he
stops pitching after this year, just say or next year? Okay,
And you know it doesn't amount to like big time stats.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
But he stopped.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
He did it, but he did, he stops doing it,
becomes Babe Bruce who became just a hit her. Would
you still look at him the same way, say it's
a great player. Ever, if his pitching.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Career got I will have seen enough.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Meaning I saw the dude pitch for six seven years,
however long it would have been at that point you
were playing the game hypothetical anywhere from six to eight
years in MLB at an extremely high level. Then I've
seen him still bases. Then I've seen him play center
field at times. Then I've seen him hit obviously home
runs and sading dodge her.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
That Dodgers setting Dodger records.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Dude, Yeah, I don't know. He probably That's why I'm saying.
The only other thing I want to see him have
a great playoff rung where he was just on fire,
which could happen this year, would.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Be amazing to see.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You know what it is?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
What's his pitching? I couldn't. I didn't hear you. Here's
what now?
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Pitching record? What's his record when he pitches? Do you
know what it is?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I put no, I'll pull it up right now.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Thirty nine and twenty so he's nineteen games over five hundred,
and he's got a three.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Earra lifetop good really good.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Since the greatest ever noh is not and that that.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
That's where, but that's the bar said he's Sandy KOFACTX.
I didn't say he was Sandy Cofax. I didn't say
he was Barry Bonds. He is the hybrid of those
two almost, which just makes it incredible. If he was
just like a they throw key k her Nanda's out there,
Hey man, we need somebody to go throw, you know,
a few pitchures we're getting blown out to that Roore
blowing the other team and KK because he pitched, you know,
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he could throw a little bit.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Okay, Hi, I'd be cute if that was show.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Hey. No, he's a legitimate starter who's gonna start potentially
in the World Series if they get that is crazy.
And he also might hit a home run in the
World Series. And the fact that what I'm saying is
not far fetch is incredible. And the fact that he
could maybe still a base in a World Series game
as well, and dad going and if somebody tweaked.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
The knee or a hand, and if they need him
in center field, he can do it. That is insane
to me, Rob, And I'm again because it's twenty twenty five.
We have a million things going on in our lives.
We have a million social media apps and this going on.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
If this word circa nineteen ninety two, we would be
talking about they would lead every conversation all day with
this guy does. But because we have a million things
even there's just too much going on in the world,
we're kind of like, oh yeah, by the way, Shohy
is like incredible.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
But we kind of just move on.
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Speaker 4 (21:17):
All right, Rob g.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Lamar Jackson obviously one of the best players in the NFL,
having a really good season even though the team isn't
and he's missed a few plays. He had a bad
game against the Chiefs before we ultimately pulled out. Right now,
that hamstring has him down, still questionable if he is
going to play, and therein lies the conversation of well
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what do you do with Lamar Jackson coming up into
this next week as they get ready to face the Texans,
so they'll be hosting the Texans. Texans coming off a
win finally. Texans been struggling throughout the season, and a
lot of people are saying, you know, and I'll start
with me, Rob.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
G One thing we learn in sports, things aren't a guarantee, right.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Things all will have this next year, will be good
next year, the schedule will be easy, next year, will
have our health next year?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
You never really know.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
And so to me, I look at the game like
this for the Ravens, a team that sit at one
and three, as are the Texans, a team that, ultimately
I believe are the team that's kind of usually built
to come back. Rob and I both believe last year
they were zeroing to they'll be fine, and they were
getting and got to the postseason. But this season feels different.
The defense has been given up way too many points.
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You can score thirty on them easily, no matter who
you are. You got injuries all up and down the
defensive side of the ball. You got obviously a nicked
up Lamar Jackson. So what I'm gonna say, I am
gonna preface with a little bit of great assault of
the only person who knows how injured he is is
Lamar Jackson, you get what I mean? And if Lamar
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Jackson is looking at John Harbud he's like, Yo, I'm
really hurt right now.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Then it's changes the conversation.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
But if it's a hamstring that he can play through,
that he can push through to me, rob G, I'm
gonna make that effort if I'm Lamar Jackson, because you're
sitting at one in three. They're not built with Huntley
as their backup, with any other backup coming in, They're
not built to win without him. This team, this system,
this offense is run through him. Simply put, it's how
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dynamic he is that makes this team go. It's the
ability to run, it's the ability to pass, it's the
ability to even the thought that gives the.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Defense to hesitate one to one millisecond.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
That then makes them great because guys get open, Zayflowers open,
Andrews is open, then you can hand them off to
Derrick Henry.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I can't do that without him, and I can't lose.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
This game to the Texans who may be feeling themselves
feeling like they can write the ship a little bit.
And we know what else If the Texans haven't been
anything else. Robb g one thing they've been over the
last couple of years, two three years is good. Defensively,
you look at the season so far. The Rams barely
beat them, the Rams, who some field could be the
best team in the NFC, they barely beat them fourteen
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to nine. The Bucks beat them by one and held
them to twenty. The Jags only had seventeen last week.
There are two weeks ago, and then the Titans don't
score at all. So my point is, without Lamar is
a very winnable game for the Texans, specifically how well
their defense is, and also for them feeling like maybe
they can find they found a little thing or two offensively.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
So I don't want to go down one four.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
And then all of a sudden from the Ravens, you
start to look at the rest of your schedule right
where you're like, oh, shoot, this gets a little tough
for us. The Ravens have aspirations for Super Bowls for postseasons,
and then you don't want to go up against Then
you got the Rams. The Bears seemed like, you know,
a tougher team, Dolphins could be easy, but then you
got the Vikings, a tougher team. Then you got a
division of one with the good defensive team, the Browns
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who held you up earlier. You beat them earlier, but
you never know defensively. And then you'll got some other teams.
The Steelers look like you know their quality. You got
the Packers as well, so you don't want to get
too far behind. To me, so if he looks at
me and he feeling seventy percent, is I want to
go for this because I want to go two and
three and start to turn this thing around. Because to me,
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with Lamar Jackson, every season as a potential super Bowl
season and I don't want to waste it and waste
an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
That's me.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
You could not be more wrong, k Devi because to
your point, if Lamar Jackson is only seventy percent, and
that might be generous, right because they've said as soon
as he injured his hamstring through reports for multiple weeks,
you know, two to three weeks he could miss. It
wasn't until Wednesday morning that Tom Pelacero float out the
idea that he could try to play, because as you mentioned,
they're so far behind the eight ball and they got
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to get some wins as much as they can.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
But if he's only seventy.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Percent, and let's say he plays against Houston, he gets
out unscathed, not further injury. He gets to the Rams game,
and he again avoids further injury. He just kind of
hangs on.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
The chance.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
The thing about hamstrings is they don't get better, right
like you don't. The only way those kind of soft
tinged tissue injuries ever heal is with rest. You cannot
heal a hamstring by playing on it and throttling down
to fifty percent sixty percent, because number one, you're more
likely to get hurt playing that way by not playing
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full speed, and number two, when you do try to
push it, you just physically can't because your hamster's gonna
tuget you and pull at you. And especially if you're
a running quarterback or a mobile quarterback like Lamar Jackson
is the greatest in NFL history, you run the risk
of re injuring yourself again. So even if he hypothetically
is able to avoid injuring himself further by playing on it,
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the fact remains is the Baltimore Ravens, to your point,
are not good enough around Lamar Jackson where they can
make any noise with him at seventy percent point playing period,
they cannot compete in the AFC with Buffalo and Kansas
City and the Chargers, or how maybe even Aaron Rodgers
is dude, I don't think that's gonna happen, but you
cannot compete in the AFC with Lamar is not healthy,
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Which is why I believe you sit him this Sunday,
no matter what he tells you. If he says, Coach,
I'm ready to go. I know I can't really run
that much, but I'm ready to give you all I can.
I'm gonna win here against Houston. I believe from what
we've seen with Houston the last year or so that
as bad as that Baltimore defense is, they can do
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enough to shut down CJ. Stroud and company. We talked
about it up until last week when they were only
have six to nothing at half. Then this offensive explosion
there in the second half, aided by a lot of
really poor play by Tennessee. They hadn't crossed the twenty
point threshold in seven of their previous nine games. So
I believe with Cooper Rush under center and his career
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two to one interception to touchdown, ratio or touchdown interception
like you have that backwards, they can win that game.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
They can get to two and three.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Now, obviously, playing the Rams is a whole different monster.
Not only would they be a problem with Lamar jacksony
obviously be a problem without Lamar Jackson because that wars
nasty Jared Versus on the edge, and those guys like
they can really bring the pass rushing away, and not
a lot of teams can across the NFL. But if
you can sit Lamar through those two games, and let's
say you split, you head into your bye week at
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two and four, you come out of it ideally with
the healthy Lamar Jackson three weeks rested. You got the
Bears at home, the Dolphins on the road, which you're
not scared of them at all. You got the Vikings,
which could be plucky. Obviously that could be a tough team.
Then you got the Browns, the Jets, the Bengals, the Steelers,
the Bengals, the Patriots. None of those teams make me
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nervous if I'm a Baltimore Ravens fan, because coming into
this season, they were the popular pick for popular people
to win the Super Bowl. So even if they don't
have all their horses defensively, or even if they don't
have the peak Baltimore Ravens, we thought they're getting even
eighty percent of them is good enough to run the
table pretty well down the second half of the season.
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So if you rest Lamar, get him to one hundred
percent and let him carry you the rest of the way,
the same way Joe Burrow did last season. I know
it didn't really work out the even to get to
the playoffs caause what happened on the tie breakers. But
if you get to two and four into the bye week,
Lamar Jackson, get you to ten wins, and ten wins
will be enough to get in the posty in the AFC.
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And then and then you hope that you have enough
there where he's good enough on any given Sunday to
be the difference.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Between you winning and losing. So that was cute.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Here's the thing, all right, I'm looking at a team
where defensively, if I'm Lamar Jackson, right, you put up
the forty bill, say that's cute. We put up forty
one the Browns. Obviously you beat them Browns of the Browns.
Obviously that Rounds have a good defense. But they're struggling
right now. Dalen Gabriel, we don't know what that experiment's
going to be. You put up thirty you still, Lion,
say that's cute.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
We got thirty eight. The Chiefs put up thirty seven
on your head.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
The reason I say this is because you talk about
the Texans, but the Texans are licking their chop at
the Ravens defense. The Texans and said, let me tell
you who I'm looking forward to playing this week. If
I could pick a team, you would think, historically surely
wouldn't be the Ravens. They're like, let us pick the
Ravens because even with Lamar, okay, he's gonna score, but
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we got a chance to score because they're giving up
big points. In fact, again the last couple of games
thirty seven points, thirty eight points, and even a forty
one piece two weeks before that. So the Texans feel like,
if there's anyone that we can put up some points
against rob g it would be the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Now.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Also, you talk about soft tissue handstrings all that, well,
guess what he's gonna be dealing with the remainder of
the year a hamstring issue. Because there's no such thing
as well. I gave it two to three weeks ahead
and bye a week and a Hamstreet print. No hamstrings
are gonna bother you are gonna bother you are gonna
bother you.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Now, Yes, that's why I said. There's degrees right, there's
I don't there's full really really pulled.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
And doctor's like, yo, you're absolutely gonna shred this thing.
Then there's all right. It's gonna hurt, and to be
honest with you, is probably gonna hurt for a very
long time.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
But we can manage it.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
You can. We can put some tape on it, give
you some payments. It's gonna be a bothersome thing throughout
the season. I have a feeling that's what this is
gonna be. So the idea that I rest them a
week or so isn't really gonna do much because what
you said, anybody who's had a bad back, anybody who's
had a hamstring, anybody who's had these certain types of issues.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I'm about to deal with this until I can sit
my butt down for six eight weeks and really rest it.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
And again I hear what you're saying, I really do, like,
why wouldn't I want to rest my best player, the guy,
the franchise player.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
My concern is you lose to the Texans.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Now you're one and four, you surely like now to
your point, oh well, then maybe we wrestling with the Rams.
I can't wrestle with the Ram because Rams doesn't for
sure loss. If Lamar ain't playing, now you're one in
five season is done. So to me, these next two
weeks are critical and the only chance I have of
winning is with Lamar Jackson, even if I hand it
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off the ball, God forbid. By the way John Harmon
right hand the ball off twenty five thirty. You have
the most built forward guy in the NFL, and Dereck
Henry if I just showed you him, if you fell
from Mars, I said, look at this specimen, and you say, yeah,
let's give him five carries. Look, that's crazy. So point
being Lamar Jackson being out there wink wink, kind of
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sort of being a decoy and we run the heck
out of the ball could change things a little bit
for them where he doesn't have to be so dynamic
as you mentioned. But I can't sit him and lose
to the Texans, and I can't lose sen him and
lose to the Rams. Now my season is done and
you just don't want to wait seasons.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
With a guy like Okay, humor me.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Do you believe even after what we see with their
defense do the first month of the season, do you
believe with the healthy Lamar Jackson that the Ravens you
still make a run in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yes? Because Lamar literally like him and with Henry, they're
that dynamic. Again.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
You put up thirty on the lines, you put a
forty on the bills, you know what I mean? You
put you can win a shoot at the ball? Yes, Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Do you think with a seventy sixty five percent Lamar
Jackson they can win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Make the Super Bowl? Likely?
Speaker 7 (33:05):
No?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
So then what are we doing here? Are we gonna
race to go eight to eight?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
No, eight and seven?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Seventeen games? Gosh, eight and nine?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I know, right, Louise, Like, if the goal is to
win a Super Bowl, which is where they are in Baltimore,
They're not in the business of just being solid. They
are not my Raiders. We're like, hey, if we make
the playoffs, that's a good year for us. Like, no,
they are in the business of winning, and they have
what I believe in. You believe a lot of people
believe to be the best player in football, point blank
(33:33):
in Lamar Jackson. And when you have that kind of
guy on your team, the expectation is if we're not
gonna win the Super Bowl, we're at least competing for
it year in and year out. And if Lamar Jackson
is not healthy, you are not competing for a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
So what are we doing? Are we just trying to
be relevant? Would we like to be the Utah Jazz
of football? No, we want to win the whole damn thing,
and we can't win the thing if he's not he's
not help.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Here's the thing, though, I hear you and another normal
circumstances unders saying what you're getting, And again I don't
think you're I don't think you're crazy for this. But
my thought process is, and we're watching this right now
with the Eagles. Who was the best running back in
the NFL last year, Kwon Barkley, who is the most
mid running back right now in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Not Bolling wise, per se.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
But it just isn't working right now right Maybe he
lost the step, Maybe the offensive line isn't as great.
Maybe it's all the above. Maybe it's generally hurts and
they don't know exactly how they want to run into.
My point is, I can't come into it next year
knowing Zay Flowers.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Maybe I have to pick. Maybe he wants more.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Maybe Andrews is a year he starts to getting his
Travis Kelsey bag where he ain't what he used to be.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Right.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Also, maybe Dereck Henry finally has the decline. He will
be what thirty two is or something like that by
the next year. So my point is, I hear what
you're saying, but I can't go, oh, next year will
be low. You just never simply know. And that's the
dangerous thing when you're playing the the You know, in
a sport where it's not a baseball season, what do
(35:02):
I do?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Man?
Speaker 5 (35:03):
You go on an eye up and down on the
ile all the year long, right because we got a
long season basketball, Man, take a month off. We got
a long season football. You miss four or five six games,
it can change things. So I don't think what you're
saying is crazy, and I don't think it's asinine, and
I think a lot of people might feel that way.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
I just feel if Lamar gives me a look like
he's ready to go. Dang it.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
I can win a couple of games, kind of get
get some things going, because again, I don't want to
waste the season with Lamar Jackson. And I look up
and it's another season where he was incredibly talented and
blah blah blah, and we have nothing to show for it.
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