October 8, 2025 • 29 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us why the latest report detailing the disfunction at North Carolina is further proof that they need to dump Bill Belichick immediately, debate whether the Indianapolis Colts would be making a mistake if they decide to offer Daniel Jones a contract extension before this season is even over, and argue with Super Producer Rob G about whether the Arizona Cardinals erred in fining head coach Jonathan Gannon $100k after he put his hands on running back Emari Demercado,
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Bill Belichick, Oh my goodness, gracious, just let's get to it.
More stuff coming out now as even talk Rob g
that maybe there's something could happen here.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Yes, sir Olie Connelly from The Guardian. If you don't
know who that is, you should know because we talked
about it on this show. He had Bill Belichick to
North Carolina a full week bit before anybody else did.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
My man is if he's.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Not plugged it everywhere, he's definitely plugged in in this
situation with Bill Belichick with North Carolina. He reported about
one and two hours ago, this is I want to
read this verbatim because this is some gnarly information courtin
of sources, Belichick has discussed buy out options with North Carolina.
He's signaled a willingness to trigger his own one million
(01:12):
dollar buyout if he can find a soft landing with
either another team or in the media. But it gets worse, guys,
members of Milichick. Of Belichick's coaching staff have already spoken
to other schools that are expected to be in the
playoff hunt about taking on roles during the postseason. Courting
to one anonymous coach quote, the rats are leaving the ship.
(01:36):
Some staffers believe the change will come within two weeks.
There's also been reports of serious recruiting violations that are
currently under investigation at UNC. Recruiting and practice violations have
already been proven by the school, according to multiple sources.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
And here's another one.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Belichick's communication with this staff in the past two weeks
has been described as quote weird and distant by multiple
members of the current coaching staff. Multiple coaches were actually
unable to get a hold of him during their recent
bye week. One UNC defensive assistant said, quote, what we've
done to these kids is fed up.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
My goodness. I said this, and you could go look
it up on YouTube. Seriously, that this was gonna end
badly and that this was a mistake from Jump. I
was never with it, and then even yesterday I said
that they should move on from him because there's no
long term plan here. This is a terrible car wreck.
(02:36):
We knew that was happening. We knew with the nepotism
and the cronyism and the girlfriend in the mix, and
a seventy three year old coach trying to coach college
kids and North Carolina not being a football school getting
your butts kicked up and down the field. Right, it's
just been a total disaster. I don't know how at
(02:58):
any point any situation that Bill Belichick really thought this
was gonna work or this was a good idea. I
never bought into it. I'm not surprised. And they should
come to some sort of agreement so that Bill Belichick
can get on, you know, with going to Denny's and
the early Bird Special and whatever else he wants to
(03:18):
do during the day. But this whole idea of pretending
that this is gonna work or you have to, you know,
go through the entire year of this for it to
be cool, I'm not with it.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Well, look, you know, I call him unc.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
North Carolina is now just unk, because that's what I'm
saying to him, unk this.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
We knew this was never gonna work.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Me and you talked about it from beginning, what was
the gain in this, what was the who's going to
be the big winner in this?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
And ultimately here we are with his decline, And to me, this.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Was just UNC was used as a rebound Bill Billimachick
because he's billing him a check. He used him as
a rebound. The NFL is where he wanted to be.
You talked about it then, how he wants to break
the all time coaching record.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
He's a handful of games away from that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
He wanted to obviously prove that I could be a
coach without Robert Craft, without Tom Brady, and it ended
up not working out for him. So then the rebound
was you and C. The problem is you can't rebound
in college like that. You get rebound in the NFL
because guys are professionals. Guys know what to do, they've
been in the league, and you can implement your system
over the offseason and boom, we can move on programs.
(04:23):
In college, you gotta recruit, You gotta go in mom
and dad's living rooms. You gotta sell guys on what
you're gonna do. You gotta build up your coaching staff.
It's a whole thing. That's why it's called a program.
And the idea of he could just march on up
in their half. Senate got your girlfriend.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
You're doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Mind you, you're doing a book tour. Mice, you're doing
a book tour. You're beefing with Robert Craft. He was
never in this for the long haul, so it makes
it strange. And then you and c they got all
getting because ooh, we get a big name and we'll
get popularity, we'll get on all the shows. The odd
couple's gonna talk about us. But ultimately, like what happens
most times in college sports, the kids are the ones
that get used up because you didn't have You knew
(05:00):
this was terrible, This wasn't gonna work.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
He was never serious. He was just looking for a
rebound date. You were that.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And ultimately, the kids, because you got you know what,
you got robbed. You got kids who decommitted from other schools.
You got kids who left and you know went there.
You got kids who maybe in high school right now, who.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Changed the way. They're gonna go all of that for it.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It's something that's gonna end badly, and we're hearing all
the negative things that's gonna come. So this was just
a bad idea from the jump. Never bought into it.
And no offense, no agism. He's seventy three, college is approached.
This takes time and.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
He's the oldest coach in college.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, and it just takes time and signs just something
that he didn't have, Like he wasn't built for this.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
He's not locked into it.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So that and most importantly, he completely changed his ideology
and ethos. He's no distractions, he's locked in. He's wor
on the Cincinnati and that's completely what he hasn't been
in UNC. And that's why you want to know what
they're defensive rankings. What was Bill Belichick known for defense?
Right when they won all those Super Bowls?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Go, look, they had the top five defense every year
like people talk about, Oh, it's only Tom Brady.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Stop defensive special teams was incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You know, if you know what UNC is rank rob
one hundred and twenty eighth in the nation in opponent's
points per game. People score all up and down on them,
opponents yards a game. They're ranked one hundred and thirty second.
Oh and by the way, sacks all out one hundred
and twenty six. So what Yeah, so not SAX, meaning
and they give up the most they're not getting SAX.
(06:25):
So you look it up offensively one hundred and twenty third,
passing yards one hundred and twenty eighth at points per game,
like they're not doing anything. Well, there's not a single
thing you can come in and hang your hat on,
and that's what's disappointing as well.
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Speaker 4 (07:27):
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for ESPN, and this week they one of the questions
they posed out was who's going to be the next
big extension. You'll get extensions throughout the season, usually before
the trade deadline is when we get the last of
the of the calendar year, and Fowler says, well, first
eight and Hutchinson is probably the most likely.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Now that makes sense. Yeah, he's healthy this year to
do them. Well, sure that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It's their guy that they drafted, right, So I get
all that, and then the very next sentence he says,
but the real answer might be the Indianapolis quarterback, who
we just discussed in the previous portion.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Graziano follows up to say, I'm fascinated to see whether
the Colts would do something with Jones in season. This
one is complicated because the rules say you must wait
a year after signing a guy if you want to
adjust his contract in a way that makes his cap
number go up. But there are certainly ways the Colts
could do that if they choose. They also add people
around the league have been very impressed by Indiana Jones
(08:26):
so far with the Colts, say, the only question market
right now is can he stay healthy?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And I got news is this Mike going hello, This
is going out to the Indianapolis Colts, their ownership, management,
general manager, all that kind of stuff. The guy who
sells in the ticket window. I hope everybody Indianapolis is listening.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Don't do it, do it, don't do it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Do not sign Daniel Jones off of premature, way too
or early. Havn't beaten anybody, Uh, you know, kind of.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Start to the season. We've seen this before.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Do you remember the New York Football Giants picked Daniel
Jones over Saquon Barkley after they beat the bad defensively,
the bad defensive team, the Minnesota Vikings in the playoffs.
You remember that, Oh he's arrived, he won a playoff game,
and then they went outside him and said, oh, you know,
I'm not gonna sign Saquon, We'll sign Daniel Jones. And
(09:33):
they realized they made a mistake right away. Dude, what
are you doing? They've beaten the Dolphins, bron Ghost, Titans,
and Raiders.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Really, don't do that.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Don't do it, Daniel Jones. No, can I give you
old TV reference. I'd rather have Barnaby Jones than Daniel
Jones and he's dead. No, do not do it, don't
fall forward, don't go for the okie doke.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
This is smoking mirrors.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Something's fishy here because they're not playing any good teams.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Daniel Jones has plenty of tape and it never went
straight to the movies.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Theater went to Blockbuster first. Yes, that's the kind of
quarterback he is. Don't fool yourself and I know what
you're saying. Well, Baker maybe will win somewhere else. And
then it turned out to be great for every Baker Mayfield.
There's a Geno Smith, a justin Field. There's a pluthorah
(10:46):
of quarterbacks who moved to other places and things didn't
work out, So don't give me.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
It's just a change of scene to read.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And they got a better offensive coordinator and they had
more weapons and that's all Daniel Jones needed. And once
he left the Giants and he wan to be this guy. No,
what happened with Minnesota last year? Sam Donald Right, they
didn't want they saw in the biggest games of the year.
(11:15):
He melted down. He turned to go, no, thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
I bet they wish they had him. Yes they do.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, nobody cares about the regular season. They're trying to win.
All I'm saying is, if you're the Indianapolis coach, do
not fall for the okie dok Look at Daniel Jones.
He hasn't beat anyone. I'm not giving this guy a
new contract.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I'm not in a rush to sign Daniel Jones. I
don't think this is a to me. I don't view
this as a Daniel Jones thing. I think this is
more of a Shane Steichen thing. I think the head
coach there, former offensive coordinator for the Eagles, former offensive
coordinator for the Chargers. I think this is a similar
to a Kyle Shanahan thing, where he believes what he
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does when I get my guy, we're going to produce
when I get the guy that I need along with
this offense, you got one of the best running backs
in Jonathan Taylor, who's been going crazy this year. By
the way, we don't talk about him. You got a
good receiving corps, and you got a mobile Daniel Jones.
I think it's him saying, let I like this guy.
And again this is a report, so we don't know
if they're gonna do it this year. We don't know
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how that'll work out. But I think the bank is
on him saying this is what I do. I'm able
to beat and had this coach team compete in the
last couple of years better than they really should have
been with some of the wins that they've had. So
I think he's looking at him and says he fits
the system. I like, like Sho Kyle Shanahan. When you
get me my guy, I'm able to produce. When you
give you my guy, I get the best out of you.
And that's what we're seeing out of Daniel Jones right now.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But my issue is they haven't beaten anybody, like seriously,
look at the team that they've beaten.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Well, so that's my issue.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
They beat the Broncos, which is a good team, and
they should have beaten the Rams.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
If the receiver runs.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
At the enzo, like we talked about a couple of
days ago, when I had to say, ain't nobody got
time for everybody dropping the ball at the enzo, could
have won that game. So they have some quality wins
and should have been wins on their resumes. Should have
been Yeah, I mean that game was. I mean, dudes
in the end zone. You know, I don't know what
what the epidemic of dropping the ball is, but I
just believe that's what it is. And again that's why
(13:13):
I said, I understand your hesitation. Daniel Jones has not
been doing this for two three four years. If they
did this so already.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
The New York Football Giants gave him a deal after
they beat Minnesota in the playoffs, thinking that that he
had arrived.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I know, but I think that team does not have
the offensive.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
No, but they won a playoff game, is what I'm
trying to tell you.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
So they go on the road. They beat the Vikings
game a handful of years ago too. And when I
was out in Mayfield, that was Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Right, And I'm saying, sometimes you gotta go and go
somewhere else and find something. So I get, I get
the idea that stike in Mayfield. I found a guy
that I can work with. And I'll say this, the
reason why you have these conversations now is because you
can mess around and get them for the low. As
they say in the streets. You can get him for
the low because if I gotta wait, he has enough.
(14:03):
Let's say this for he being a clearance Ben and
I'll pass.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I've seen you at Ross. I know how you get busy.
You ain't turn it down though, seven ninety nine. If fuss,
if it's my son, Yeah, let's say he has a
really good season, they end up twelve and five, eleven
and six.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
He's, you know, really good. He got a cupcake schedule.
I didn't realize they're all bad teams they're playing.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
And let's say he mess around and has a good
season and it does it again. Now that cost goes up.
They got some heathcakes on that schedule. I got a
toothache just looking at the schedule.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
He would fit around some guys.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
And you know, if you got your to us getting
to us getting fifty three million dollars, I think you'd
rather have that one back. There's a haldful of other
guys getting some money around that.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, but those are people that you drafted, and you
have to make a commitment to Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
You didn't draft. It's not this same.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
But that's why I'm saying so if he's a guy
that you get and you believe in for thirty two
thirty four million dollars.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I don't believe in them, is what I'm trying to sell.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I know Snik and does Stikeen believes and not only
does he believe in him, he believes in himself. That's
the biggest part for me. He believes in him, saying
I got the guy just like I brought up Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
You give me Jimmy g So it's funny of the
guy that was mister irrelevant Brock Party isn't playing in
there four and one.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
That's what I'm saying. So do you really did you
really need to sign Brock the party?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
But when you get a guy like you, like I
still think Brock Purdy is the better player. Mac Jones
is absolutely having a lot of success right now, and
that's part of being in that system is the success
opportunities will be there because of the way their system
is set up and they're and they're able to manipulate
and move the game to fit you. That's a compliment
to Kyle Shanahan and a couple of other coaches who
are able to do that. But I think brock Party
(15:43):
is a better complete ceiling is higher than Mac Jones.
But yeah, so that's why I think this is. I
think it's a Daniel Jones is playing well. He's my
type of guy. But it's more about me stiking what
I believe I can do.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
I'm not touching Daniel Jones with a ten football.
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Speaker 1 (16:12):
Rob z So Cardinals. We were talking about the play
that the coach made that you know the receiver dropped
the ball. Well, that happened again obviously this past Sunday
as well. Was frustrated to head coach. And now a
lot of people saw the video that came out all
over to social media, right, and then now it's the
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team has come down on the coach.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
That's right now.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Amarri de Mercado, who you wouldn't expect to know his name,
were not for this play, right, he breaks free, he's
a four string running back, seventy yard touchdown. Right as
he's crossing the end zone plane, he dropped the ball.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Touch back. Titans get the ball back. They eventually win
the game.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Which is just a bonup, so it was already he
was persona on grounded there for about twenty four hours,
and then someone on social media league the video of
the sideline interaction between he and Jonathan Gannon. Now de
Marcartero looks like he's about to cry, like his offensive lineman's.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Holding him up.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
He's really being consoled, and Gannon runs up on him
in a fit of rage, yelling in his face, which
he's entitled to, and then on his way past him,
it looks almost like either he slaps or he punches
De Marcado's arm, and that's what set things into a tizzy,
and it ultimately led to the Arizona Cardinals dropping a
(17:28):
one hundred thousand dollars fine on their head coach. Well,
once that news became public, we have seen a slew
of NFL players. Former players mostly chime in on the situation,
most notably Yeh des Bryant said, I don't agree with
the fine whatsoever, says quote. I believe it only happened
(17:48):
because of the soft ass world we live in today.
If you're an athlete with any kind of integrity and
respect for the game. You'll understand this situation that's led
to a bunch of different responses from a few notable players,
including Marcus Spears. I believe he's on ESPN. Yeah, says no,
little brody, keep your hands off people. If you thought
a coach costs you a game and you hemmed him up,
(18:09):
they cruciank you, thank you. And Lurice Jones Drew, former
pro bowler now I think works with the rams said
to hell with the fine. He should be fired immediately
for putting his hands on it. And you know what,
thank god for those players. I'm serious Kelvin who spoke
out because.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
If the roles were reverse and somebody joked up Pete
Carroll for having that call to cast from the Super Bowl, right,
Richard Sherman's mad or whatever, they went up and pimp
slap Pete Carroll around, like what was that. You wouldn't
be in the league, right, You would be suspended, you
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would be all that. You could be yell at people.
That's a part of coaching. You can't be physical. Remember
tom Izzo was physical with a player I think got
people came down on him. It ain't about well h
the warsification of America. Everybody's soft. No, it's not acceptable.
(19:08):
None used to beat the crap out of kids. Okay,
you can't do that anymore. Parents are for that. That's
not edgic. That's not teaching anybody anything. You could get
your point across without being physical, right, that's all your parent.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
There's a way of doing it.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I'm not saying that kids don't deserve to get spanked
for certain situations, but you're not coming upside the kid's
head every time they do miss take a misstep, and
the same thing La Troulle's free well yoked up. PJ
called Listenmo, go look and see right, don't drummed out
the league. If that was PJ doing it to call Listenmo,
(19:51):
it would have been all these guys are solved. They
can't take hard coaching. That was with Isozo's a yeller.
Don't touch the kid, don't don't care. I care about
these cats. I'm trying to get them to be man. No,
don't be physical because if somebody yoked.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
You, it would be a problem. Yep, stop with this.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Every time somebody don't want to get yoked up, it's
because everything's soft. Now, that's not true. We're smarter than
we ever have been. We're more educated. We understand on
how these things are, and stuff that was doing done
in the past isn't necessarily the best way, and things
have evolved.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
We don't do the same things we used to do.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Stop it, No, listen, there's a couple of things you
just mentioned, you touched on it. Things evolve, right, I'm
gonna give you example Bobby Knight. The stuff Bobby Knight
did back in the seventies and eighties, rapping for players up,
you know, hemming them up, choking and got away with it,
got throwing chairs on the court. All that would never
(20:59):
fly into an in twenty twenty five. So things do evolve.
I'm gonna give you another one. A legendary coach who
back in nineteen seventy eight went over and himmed up
and punched the op tosing player, Woody Hayes.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Do you remember that, yep?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
On the sideline Woody Hayes went up to the clips
of player, hemmed him up, punched him up.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
My point is again, and I get it. I understand
some people say, man, Woody Hayes paid the price for that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Did it?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Never never caught coach again? And all that.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
So I bring up those instances to say, I understand
back in the day things happen, this is how it was.
But to me, you can't put yourself in a position again.
Where now if Demcardo reacts what it Rob G said.
If you look at the video, he's emotional. He's got
like a lineman consoling them. I'm going through it. I'm embarrassed,
I'm upset, I'm frustrated myself. I feel guilty, I'm shameful.
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And you come over here and make matters worse, and
then you put your hands on me. What if I
swing on you now, just as I'm already in that
bad emotional state, Now you come put your head all
in my chest, swing on me like that, and now
I punch just out of natural reaction. Now I'm the
bad guy. Now maybe the league comes down on me.
The league would come down on now as two game,
three games, four games, to spend whatever it would be.
(22:11):
So yeah, I think I think coaches have to be
you have to be the bigger person. You have to say,
all right, he's already going through it. The play already happened.
There's still game left. I see a lineman trying to
work with him, console him, talk to him, you know,
coach him up, teach him up. Let me let that
moment be because when you start getting physical again, you
open the door for a response. People always say this,
you'll see this happen. Man, Why he pushed him. All
(22:33):
he did was slap him. Well you can if you
slap me and then not tell me how to then respond.
If I slap somebody, they very well may punch me.
You get what I'm saying you The coach now opens
the door for a response from the mercado. That could
have went bad. Now they over here rumbling on the sideline,
So be upset, hit him on the shoulder pads or something.
Come on, baby, stay in the game. Come on, baby.
(22:54):
I understand that's smacking the butt, that's part of the game.
We all know that. But once you start coming over
you let me barking at me and you hit me
though too. I just it's just it can lead to
something bad.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
It should it shouldn't be physical, right.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I think we all come to those too, many great
coaches who had successful without it. Tony Dungee very successful coach.
He didn't have to be going him and up players
punching on you know, hitting on players.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Coach Kate was hitting people. Know what I'm saying, No,
that's what I'm saying. One of the abod That's what
I'm saying. I'm trying to say, like that is not
the only way to do it. Andy Reid and Travis Kelsey,
I don't know what they got going on. It's like
they can't get fired up to their chest bump. He's like, man,
look at him. He looked like he ate good to that.
Let me go run into him and jump on his
(23:38):
belly real quick. I don't know what they got. It's
like they gotta they can't get fired up till they
yell at each other.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
But yeah, I just you could absolutely coach me up,
yell at me, cuss me out, bark at me. You
don't have to get physical because my last point on
this to rop, hey, man, you don't know what people
have been through, meaning their triggers and their trauma and
hands raised up to people all you know what I mean,
Like I'm about to swing up man people.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
You don't know where people are from.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
What they've been through, and maybe with abuses, you don't
just raise up your hand and swing.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
On anybody grown man let it on the kid.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But I'm just saying, because you don't know where they've
been and what triggers them and Tiger, you might get
Tiger up a cut real quick.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Dou can rob? Are you can rob? Gu Where are
you on this?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Because we were pretty much in lockstep that the physical
part just does not work and and uh, players can't
do it, So why would you allow coaches? I think
the team had no choice. To be honest.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I only got.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
One word for y'all, to quote the late great Kobe Bryant. Soft,
y'all are soft? You know damn well? This happens three
times a week in the NFL. Where never the head
coach because usually the head coaches like the CEO.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
He's off to the side.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
There is a defensive line coach, there is a offensive
line coach.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Jerry, show me that stop it, Rob, it doesn't happen.
Show me video of somebody being hit by I can't
record the sidelines.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
The only reason that they did in this case because
Dean Marcado made the dumbest possible play you could in
a professional.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Football Patriots got video of sidelines. They stopped that. They
stopped it.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Everybody who has played sports beyond eighth grade has had
a situation You.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Fries.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I wouldn't say roughed up like a burger and fries,
but yes, I've been smacked in the back of the helmet.
I have been punched in the chest on wearing pads.
Of course, the worst one, which doesn't sound bad until
you've actually had to happen, is getting hit with the
whistle while you're wearing a helmet, because it vibrates throughout
your ears and it gives you like a headache. Yes,
this happens in sports everywhere. It is not personal. I
(25:50):
don't give a damn about your trauma. If you're a
professional athlete, you are here to do a job. You
are here to help our team win, and what you
did was selfish. And if you weren't embarrassed enough by
what you did, I'm gonna make sure you know how
upset I am because you cost us the game. De mercado,
And I don't care that you're crying to the left
(26:10):
tackle because you're the guy who had to show ball
on his way into the end zone. I am not
a buset coach knocked out the fact that you are
trying to.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Head coaches toothless.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Why is it that Jonathan Gannon is getting more of
a punishment than De Marcato?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
With great question, I'll answer that because you know where
players happened on the field, good or bad. That's the
what I do. I'm the player. I make the plays.
It happens. You, coach, you don't get physical. Do you
have pads on? Do you have a helmet? Do you
come through every night with the pains of the ages
that we do? How many times are you and I
talk about every NFL player we know. Fingers are twisted,
going that way, walk with a limp, back is broken,
(26:48):
They've gone through it. I'm out here, blessed and tears.
Made a stupid mistake. Cuts me out, find me. You
can find me. Hey, how they of the game?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Yo were finding you? Twenty five thousand be working on turnovers.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I watched this the first when he came over you
because it's back is turn you can but you can
see he kind of hit him.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
All right, all right, coach? Got it?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
You hit me yelling at me, you barking to me,
that last little extra hit. Don't get your last little
extra hit on me. I'm a grown man.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I don't even if he would rather have been whatever,
slapped in the arm like he was, or cut.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Tell me, I mean that, but that's no because you
took away my livelihood.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Those are.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You have a fourth string running back making error like
that and guess what, guess what a guess what, guess
what a possible response is getting cut?
Speaker 5 (27:33):
That's part of the game.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Told him that, told Rob that when when they cut
the Jets cut the kickoff return?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Who two of them? Two of them?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
That's just part of the game. Four stream running back
you do, that's a part of the game. Guess was
not part of the game.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
And you want to say, hey, you can't play here.
That's a part of the game. I get that cut
release side copping people around and beating people up.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
It's just funny that they're all up in arms about
what happened with Gann and everything like that. Like you
mentioned Kelvin, like we did not see Travis Kelce do
the exact same thing in reverse, Andy Reid. Did anybody
say we need to find Travis Kelce one hundred thousand dollars?
How dare he get in Andy Reech's personal mace? No,
they said he got fired up, he was out of line.
I'm sure they talked about it later.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Well, here's why though they have rapport that they literally
have done this for years now.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
This was what black and white situation where you can
put hands on me.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
This is what they do and they chest bump and
they getting each other's face and chest bump. I said,
your first little slap, coach, all right, I get it.
You punched me in you know, a little come on,
hit me in the chest.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I understand it. That second slap you was getting too much.
You was getting off a little too much on that
second slap. Now I mess around, slapped you in the
back of your head when you walked away. Now I'm
looking bad now I got the anger issues. Why the
slapped the coach?
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Let me fired. I'm about to slap rob d when
we get to break here, all right?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox, Did you have
a problem with the Cardinals finding their head coach for
putting hands on a play?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And I just wonder, just upon a thousand, there's a
lot of money. I wonder if there's like more of
a history, cause one hundred th was in this. That
ain't no trump change for coach,
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Bill Belichick, Oh my goodness, gracious, just let's get to it.
More stuff coming out now as even talk Rob g
that maybe there's something could happen here.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Yes, sir Olie Connelly from The Guardian. If you don't
know who that is, you should know because we talked
about it on this show. He had Bill Belichick to
North Carolina a full week bit before anybody else did.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
My man is if he's.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Not plugged it everywhere, he's definitely plugged in in this
situation with Bill Belichick with North Carolina. He reported about
one and two hours ago, this is I want to
read this verbatim because this is some gnarly information courtin
of sources, Belichick has discussed buy out options with North Carolina.
He's signaled a willingness to trigger his own one million
(01:12):
dollar buyout if he can find a soft landing with
either another team or in the media. But it gets worse, guys,
members of Milichick. Of Belichick's coaching staff have already spoken
to other schools that are expected to be in the
playoff hunt about taking on roles during the postseason. Courting
to one anonymous coach quote, the rats are leaving the ship.
(01:36):
Some staffers believe the change will come within two weeks.
There's also been reports of serious recruiting violations that are
currently under investigation at UNC. Recruiting and practice violations have
already been proven by the school, according to multiple sources.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
And here's another one.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Belichick's communication with this staff in the past two weeks
has been described as quote weird and distant by multiple
members of the current coaching staff. Multiple coaches were actually
unable to get a hold of him during their recent
bye week. One UNC defensive assistant said, quote, what we've
done to these kids is fed up.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
My goodness. I said this, and you could go look
it up on YouTube. Seriously, that this was gonna end
badly and that this was a mistake from Jump. I
was never with it, and then even yesterday I said
that they should move on from him because there's no
long term plan here. This is a terrible car wreck.
(02:36):
We knew that was happening. We knew with the nepotism
and the cronyism and the girlfriend in the mix, and
a seventy three year old coach trying to coach college
kids and North Carolina not being a football school getting
your butts kicked up and down the field. Right, it's
just been a total disaster. I don't know how at
(02:58):
any point any situation that Bill Belichick really thought this
was gonna work or this was a good idea. I
never bought into it. I'm not surprised. And they should
come to some sort of agreement so that Bill Belichick
can get on, you know, with going to Denny's and
the early Bird Special and whatever else he wants to
(03:18):
do during the day. But this whole idea of pretending
that this is gonna work or you have to, you know,
go through the entire year of this for it to
be cool, I'm not with it.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Well, look, you know, I call him unc.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
North Carolina is now just unk, because that's what I'm
saying to him, unk this.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
We knew this was never gonna work.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Me and you talked about it from beginning, what was
the gain in this, what was the who's going to
be the big winner in this?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
And ultimately here we are with his decline, And to me, this.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Was just UNC was used as a rebound Bill Billimachick
because he's billing him a check. He used him as
a rebound. The NFL is where he wanted to be.
You talked about it then, how he wants to break
the all time coaching record.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
He's a handful of games away from that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
He wanted to obviously prove that I could be a
coach without Robert Craft, without Tom Brady, and it ended
up not working out for him. So then the rebound
was you and C. The problem is you can't rebound
in college like that. You get rebound in the NFL
because guys are professionals. Guys know what to do, they've
been in the league, and you can implement your system
over the offseason and boom, we can move on programs.
(04:23):
In college, you gotta recruit, You gotta go in mom
and dad's living rooms. You gotta sell guys on what
you're gonna do. You gotta build up your coaching staff.
It's a whole thing. That's why it's called a program.
And the idea of he could just march on up
in their half. Senate got your girlfriend.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
You're doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Mind you, you're doing a book tour. Mice, you're doing
a book tour. You're beefing with Robert Craft. He was
never in this for the long haul, so it makes
it strange. And then you and c they got all
getting because ooh, we get a big name and we'll
get popularity, we'll get on all the shows. The odd
couple's gonna talk about us. But ultimately, like what happens
most times in college sports, the kids are the ones
that get used up because you didn't have You knew
(05:00):
this was terrible, This wasn't gonna work.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
He was never serious. He was just looking for a
rebound date. You were that.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And ultimately, the kids, because you got you know what,
you got robbed. You got kids who decommitted from other schools.
You got kids who left and you know went there.
You got kids who maybe in high school right now, who.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Changed the way. They're gonna go all of that for it.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It's something that's gonna end badly, and we're hearing all
the negative things that's gonna come. So this was just
a bad idea from the jump. Never bought into it.
And no offense, no agism. He's seventy three, college is approached.
This takes time and.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
He's the oldest coach in college.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, and it just takes time and signs just something
that he didn't have, Like he wasn't built for this.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
He's not locked into it.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So that and most importantly, he completely changed his ideology
and ethos. He's no distractions, he's locked in. He's wor
on the Cincinnati and that's completely what he hasn't been
in UNC. And that's why you want to know what
they're defensive rankings. What was Bill Belichick known for defense?
Right when they won all those Super Bowls?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Go, look, they had the top five defense every year
like people talk about, Oh, it's only Tom Brady.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Stop defensive special teams was incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You know, if you know what UNC is rank rob
one hundred and twenty eighth in the nation in opponent's
points per game. People score all up and down on them,
opponents yards a game. They're ranked one hundred and thirty second.
Oh and by the way, sacks all out one hundred
and twenty six. So what Yeah, so not SAX, meaning
and they give up the most they're not getting SAX.
(06:25):
So you look it up offensively one hundred and twenty third,
passing yards one hundred and twenty eighth at points per game,
like they're not doing anything. Well, there's not a single
thing you can come in and hang your hat on,
and that's what's disappointing as well.
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Speaker 4 (07:27):
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for ESPN, and this week they one of the questions
they posed out was who's going to be the next
big extension. You'll get extensions throughout the season, usually before
the trade deadline is when we get the last of
the of the calendar year, and Fowler says, well, first
eight and Hutchinson is probably the most likely.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Now that makes sense. Yeah, he's healthy this year to
do them. Well, sure that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It's their guy that they drafted, right, So I get
all that, and then the very next sentence he says,
but the real answer might be the Indianapolis quarterback, who
we just discussed in the previous portion.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Graziano follows up to say, I'm fascinated to see whether
the Colts would do something with Jones in season. This
one is complicated because the rules say you must wait
a year after signing a guy if you want to
adjust his contract in a way that makes his cap
number go up. But there are certainly ways the Colts
could do that if they choose. They also add people
around the league have been very impressed by Indiana Jones
(08:26):
so far with the Colts, say, the only question market
right now is can he stay healthy?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And I got news is this Mike going hello, This
is going out to the Indianapolis Colts, their ownership, management,
general manager, all that kind of stuff. The guy who
sells in the ticket window. I hope everybody Indianapolis is listening.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Don't do it, do it, don't do it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Do not sign Daniel Jones off of premature, way too
or early. Havn't beaten anybody, Uh, you know, kind of.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Start to the season. We've seen this before.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Do you remember the New York Football Giants picked Daniel
Jones over Saquon Barkley after they beat the bad defensively,
the bad defensive team, the Minnesota Vikings in the playoffs.
You remember that, Oh he's arrived, he won a playoff game,
and then they went outside him and said, oh, you know,
I'm not gonna sign Saquon, We'll sign Daniel Jones. And
(09:33):
they realized they made a mistake right away. Dude, what
are you doing? They've beaten the Dolphins, bron Ghost, Titans,
and Raiders.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Really, don't do that.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Don't do it, Daniel Jones. No, can I give you
old TV reference. I'd rather have Barnaby Jones than Daniel
Jones and he's dead. No, do not do it, don't
fall forward, don't go for the okie doke.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
This is smoking mirrors.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Something's fishy here because they're not playing any good teams.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Daniel Jones has plenty of tape and it never went
straight to the movies.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Theater went to Blockbuster first. Yes, that's the kind of
quarterback he is. Don't fool yourself and I know what
you're saying. Well, Baker maybe will win somewhere else. And
then it turned out to be great for every Baker Mayfield.
There's a Geno Smith, a justin Field. There's a pluthorah
(10:46):
of quarterbacks who moved to other places and things didn't
work out, So don't give me.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
It's just a change of scene to read.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And they got a better offensive coordinator and they had
more weapons and that's all Daniel Jones needed. And once
he left the Giants and he wan to be this guy. No,
what happened with Minnesota last year? Sam Donald Right, they
didn't want they saw in the biggest games of the year.
(11:15):
He melted down. He turned to go, no, thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
I bet they wish they had him. Yes they do.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, nobody cares about the regular season. They're trying to win.
All I'm saying is, if you're the Indianapolis coach, do
not fall for the okie dok Look at Daniel Jones.
He hasn't beat anyone. I'm not giving this guy a
new contract.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I'm not in a rush to sign Daniel Jones. I
don't think this is a to me. I don't view
this as a Daniel Jones thing. I think this is
more of a Shane Steichen thing. I think the head
coach there, former offensive coordinator for the Eagles, former offensive
coordinator for the Chargers. I think this is a similar
to a Kyle Shanahan thing, where he believes what he
(11:58):
does when I get my guy, we're going to produce
when I get the guy that I need along with
this offense, you got one of the best running backs
in Jonathan Taylor, who's been going crazy this year. By
the way, we don't talk about him. You got a
good receiving corps, and you got a mobile Daniel Jones.
I think it's him saying, let I like this guy.
And again this is a report, so we don't know
if they're gonna do it this year. We don't know
(12:19):
how that'll work out. But I think the bank is
on him saying this is what I do. I'm able
to beat and had this coach team compete in the
last couple of years better than they really should have
been with some of the wins that they've had. So
I think he's looking at him and says he fits
the system. I like, like Sho Kyle Shanahan. When you
get me my guy, I'm able to produce. When you
give you my guy, I get the best out of you.
And that's what we're seeing out of Daniel Jones right now.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But my issue is they haven't beaten anybody, like seriously,
look at the team that they've beaten.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Well, so that's my issue.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
They beat the Broncos, which is a good team, and
they should have beaten the Rams.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
If the receiver runs.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
At the enzo, like we talked about a couple of
days ago, when I had to say, ain't nobody got
time for everybody dropping the ball at the enzo, could
have won that game. So they have some quality wins
and should have been wins on their resumes. Should have
been Yeah, I mean that game was. I mean, dudes
in the end zone. You know, I don't know what
what the epidemic of dropping the ball is, but I
just believe that's what it is. And again that's why
(13:13):
I said, I understand your hesitation. Daniel Jones has not
been doing this for two three four years. If they
did this so already.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
The New York Football Giants gave him a deal after
they beat Minnesota in the playoffs, thinking that that he
had arrived.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I know, but I think that team does not have
the offensive.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
No, but they won a playoff game, is what I'm
trying to tell you.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
So they go on the road. They beat the Vikings
game a handful of years ago too. And when I
was out in Mayfield, that was Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Right, And I'm saying, sometimes you gotta go and go
somewhere else and find something. So I get, I get
the idea that stike in Mayfield. I found a guy
that I can work with. And I'll say this, the
reason why you have these conversations now is because you
can mess around and get them for the low. As
they say in the streets. You can get him for
the low because if I gotta wait, he has enough.
(14:03):
Let's say this for he being a clearance Ben and
I'll pass.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I've seen you at Ross. I know how you get busy.
You ain't turn it down though, seven ninety nine. If fuss,
if it's my son, Yeah, let's say he has a
really good season, they end up twelve and five, eleven
and six.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
He's, you know, really good. He got a cupcake schedule.
I didn't realize they're all bad teams they're playing.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
And let's say he mess around and has a good
season and it does it again. Now that cost goes up.
They got some heathcakes on that schedule. I got a
toothache just looking at the schedule.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
He would fit around some guys.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
And you know, if you got your to us getting
to us getting fifty three million dollars, I think you'd
rather have that one back. There's a haldful of other
guys getting some money around that.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, but those are people that you drafted, and you
have to make a commitment to Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
You didn't draft. It's not this same.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
But that's why I'm saying so if he's a guy
that you get and you believe in for thirty two
thirty four million dollars.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I don't believe in them, is what I'm trying to sell.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I know Snik and does Stikeen believes and not only
does he believe in him, he believes in himself. That's
the biggest part for me. He believes in him, saying
I got the guy just like I brought up Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
You give me Jimmy g So it's funny of the
guy that was mister irrelevant Brock Party isn't playing in
there four and one.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
That's what I'm saying. So do you really did you
really need to sign Brock the party?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
But when you get a guy like you, like I
still think Brock Purdy is the better player. Mac Jones
is absolutely having a lot of success right now, and
that's part of being in that system is the success
opportunities will be there because of the way their system
is set up and they're and they're able to manipulate
and move the game to fit you. That's a compliment
to Kyle Shanahan and a couple of other coaches who
are able to do that. But I think brock Party
(15:43):
is a better complete ceiling is higher than Mac Jones.
But yeah, so that's why I think this is. I
think it's a Daniel Jones is playing well. He's my
type of guy. But it's more about me stiking what
I believe I can do.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
I'm not touching Daniel Jones with a ten football.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
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Speaker 1 (16:12):
Rob z So Cardinals. We were talking about the play
that the coach made that you know the receiver dropped
the ball. Well, that happened again obviously this past Sunday
as well. Was frustrated to head coach. And now a
lot of people saw the video that came out all
over to social media, right, and then now it's the
(16:32):
team has come down on the coach.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
That's right now.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Amarri de Mercado, who you wouldn't expect to know his name,
were not for this play, right, he breaks free, he's
a four string running back, seventy yard touchdown. Right as
he's crossing the end zone plane, he dropped the ball.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Touch back. Titans get the ball back. They eventually win
the game.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Which is just a bonup, so it was already he
was persona on grounded there for about twenty four hours,
and then someone on social media league the video of
the sideline interaction between he and Jonathan Gannon. Now de
Marcartero looks like he's about to cry, like his offensive lineman's.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Holding him up.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
He's really being consoled, and Gannon runs up on him
in a fit of rage, yelling in his face, which
he's entitled to, and then on his way past him,
it looks almost like either he slaps or he punches
De Marcado's arm, and that's what set things into a tizzy,
and it ultimately led to the Arizona Cardinals dropping a
(17:28):
one hundred thousand dollars fine on their head coach. Well,
once that news became public, we have seen a slew
of NFL players. Former players mostly chime in on the situation,
most notably Yeh des Bryant said, I don't agree with
the fine whatsoever, says quote. I believe it only happened
(17:48):
because of the soft ass world we live in today.
If you're an athlete with any kind of integrity and
respect for the game. You'll understand this situation that's led
to a bunch of different responses from a few notable players,
including Marcus Spears. I believe he's on ESPN. Yeah, says no,
little brody, keep your hands off people. If you thought
a coach costs you a game and you hemmed him up,
(18:09):
they cruciank you, thank you. And Lurice Jones Drew, former
pro bowler now I think works with the rams said
to hell with the fine. He should be fired immediately
for putting his hands on it. And you know what,
thank god for those players. I'm serious Kelvin who spoke
out because.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
If the roles were reverse and somebody joked up Pete
Carroll for having that call to cast from the Super Bowl, right,
Richard Sherman's mad or whatever, they went up and pimp
slap Pete Carroll around, like what was that. You wouldn't
be in the league, right, You would be suspended, you
(18:46):
would be all that. You could be yell at people.
That's a part of coaching. You can't be physical. Remember
tom Izzo was physical with a player I think got
people came down on him. It ain't about well h
the warsification of America. Everybody's soft. No, it's not acceptable.
(19:08):
None used to beat the crap out of kids. Okay,
you can't do that anymore. Parents are for that. That's
not edgic. That's not teaching anybody anything. You could get
your point across without being physical, right, that's all your parent.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
There's a way of doing it.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I'm not saying that kids don't deserve to get spanked
for certain situations, but you're not coming upside the kid's
head every time they do miss take a misstep, and
the same thing La Troulle's free well yoked up. PJ
called Listenmo, go look and see right, don't drummed out
the league. If that was PJ doing it to call Listenmo,
(19:51):
it would have been all these guys are solved. They
can't take hard coaching. That was with Isozo's a yeller.
Don't touch the kid, don't don't care. I care about
these cats. I'm trying to get them to be man. No,
don't be physical because if somebody yoked.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
You, it would be a problem. Yep, stop with this.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Every time somebody don't want to get yoked up, it's
because everything's soft. Now, that's not true. We're smarter than
we ever have been. We're more educated. We understand on
how these things are, and stuff that was doing done
in the past isn't necessarily the best way, and things
have evolved.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
We don't do the same things we used to do.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Stop it, No, listen, there's a couple of things you
just mentioned, you touched on it. Things evolve, right, I'm
gonna give you example Bobby Knight. The stuff Bobby Knight
did back in the seventies and eighties, rapping for players up,
you know, hemming them up, choking and got away with it,
got throwing chairs on the court. All that would never
(20:59):
fly into an in twenty twenty five. So things do evolve.
I'm gonna give you another one. A legendary coach who
back in nineteen seventy eight went over and himmed up
and punched the op tosing player, Woody Hayes.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Do you remember that, yep?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
On the sideline Woody Hayes went up to the clips
of player, hemmed him up, punched him up.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
My point is again, and I get it. I understand
some people say, man, Woody Hayes paid the price for that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Did it?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Never never caught coach again? And all that.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
So I bring up those instances to say, I understand
back in the day things happen, this is how it was.
But to me, you can't put yourself in a position again.
Where now if Demcardo reacts what it Rob G said.
If you look at the video, he's emotional. He's got
like a lineman consoling them. I'm going through it. I'm embarrassed,
I'm upset, I'm frustrated myself. I feel guilty, I'm shameful.
(21:49):
And you come over here and make matters worse, and
then you put your hands on me. What if I
swing on you now, just as I'm already in that
bad emotional state, Now you come put your head all
in my chest, swing on me like that, and now
I punch just out of natural reaction. Now I'm the
bad guy. Now maybe the league comes down on me.
The league would come down on now as two game,
three games, four games, to spend whatever it would be.
(22:11):
So yeah, I think I think coaches have to be
you have to be the bigger person. You have to say,
all right, he's already going through it. The play already happened.
There's still game left. I see a lineman trying to
work with him, console him, talk to him, you know,
coach him up, teach him up. Let me let that
moment be because when you start getting physical again, you
open the door for a response. People always say this,
you'll see this happen. Man, Why he pushed him. All
(22:33):
he did was slap him. Well you can if you
slap me and then not tell me how to then respond.
If I slap somebody, they very well may punch me.
You get what I'm saying you The coach now opens
the door for a response from the mercado. That could
have went bad. Now they over here rumbling on the sideline,
So be upset, hit him on the shoulder pads or something.
Come on, baby, stay in the game. Come on, baby.
(22:54):
I understand that's smacking the butt, that's part of the game.
We all know that. But once you start coming over
you let me barking at me and you hit me
though too. I just it's just it can lead to
something bad.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
It should it shouldn't be physical, right.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I think we all come to those too, many great
coaches who had successful without it. Tony Dungee very successful coach.
He didn't have to be going him and up players
punching on you know, hitting on players.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Coach Kate was hitting people. Know what I'm saying, No,
that's what I'm saying. One of the abod That's what
I'm saying. I'm trying to say, like that is not
the only way to do it. Andy Reid and Travis Kelsey,
I don't know what they got going on. It's like
they can't get fired up to their chest bump. He's like, man,
look at him. He looked like he ate good to that.
Let me go run into him and jump on his
(23:38):
belly real quick. I don't know what they got. It's
like they gotta they can't get fired up till they
yell at each other.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
But yeah, I just you could absolutely coach me up,
yell at me, cuss me out, bark at me. You
don't have to get physical because my last point on
this to rop, hey, man, you don't know what people
have been through, meaning their triggers and their trauma and
hands raised up to people all you know what I mean,
Like I'm about to swing up man people.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
You don't know where people are from.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
What they've been through, and maybe with abuses, you don't
just raise up your hand and swing.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
On anybody grown man let it on the kid.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But I'm just saying, because you don't know where they've
been and what triggers them and Tiger, you might get
Tiger up a cut real quick.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Dou can rob? Are you can rob? Gu Where are
you on this?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Because we were pretty much in lockstep that the physical
part just does not work and and uh, players can't
do it, So why would you allow coaches? I think
the team had no choice. To be honest.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I only got.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
One word for y'all, to quote the late great Kobe Bryant. Soft,
y'all are soft? You know damn well? This happens three
times a week in the NFL. Where never the head
coach because usually the head coaches like the CEO.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
He's off to the side.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
There is a defensive line coach, there is a offensive
line coach.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Jerry, show me that stop it, Rob, it doesn't happen.
Show me video of somebody being hit by I can't
record the sidelines.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
The only reason that they did in this case because
Dean Marcado made the dumbest possible play you could in
a professional.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Football Patriots got video of sidelines. They stopped that. They
stopped it.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Everybody who has played sports beyond eighth grade has had
a situation You.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Fries.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I wouldn't say roughed up like a burger and fries,
but yes, I've been smacked in the back of the helmet.
I have been punched in the chest on wearing pads.
Of course, the worst one, which doesn't sound bad until
you've actually had to happen, is getting hit with the
whistle while you're wearing a helmet, because it vibrates throughout
your ears and it gives you like a headache. Yes,
this happens in sports everywhere. It is not personal. I
(25:50):
don't give a damn about your trauma. If you're a
professional athlete, you are here to do a job. You
are here to help our team win, and what you
did was selfish. And if you weren't embarrassed enough by
what you did, I'm gonna make sure you know how
upset I am because you cost us the game. De mercado,
And I don't care that you're crying to the left
(26:10):
tackle because you're the guy who had to show ball
on his way into the end zone. I am not
a buset coach knocked out the fact that you are
trying to.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Head coaches toothless.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Why is it that Jonathan Gannon is getting more of
a punishment than De Marcato?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
With great question, I'll answer that because you know where
players happened on the field, good or bad. That's the
what I do. I'm the player. I make the plays.
It happens. You, coach, you don't get physical. Do you
have pads on? Do you have a helmet? Do you
come through every night with the pains of the ages
that we do? How many times are you and I
talk about every NFL player we know. Fingers are twisted,
going that way, walk with a limp, back is broken,
(26:48):
They've gone through it. I'm out here, blessed and tears.
Made a stupid mistake. Cuts me out, find me. You
can find me. Hey, how they of the game?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Yo were finding you? Twenty five thousand be working on turnovers.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I watched this the first when he came over you
because it's back is turn you can but you can
see he kind of hit him.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
All right, all right, coach? Got it?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
You hit me yelling at me, you barking to me,
that last little extra hit. Don't get your last little
extra hit on me. I'm a grown man.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I don't even if he would rather have been whatever,
slapped in the arm like he was, or cut.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Tell me, I mean that, but that's no because you
took away my livelihood.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Those are.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You have a fourth string running back making error like
that and guess what, guess what a guess what, guess
what a possible response is getting cut?
Speaker 5 (27:33):
That's part of the game.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Told him that, told Rob that when when they cut
the Jets cut the kickoff return?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Who two of them? Two of them?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
That's just part of the game. Four stream running back
you do, that's a part of the game. Guess was
not part of the game.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
And you want to say, hey, you can't play here.
That's a part of the game. I get that cut
release side copping people around and beating people up.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
It's just funny that they're all up in arms about
what happened with Gann and everything like that. Like you
mentioned Kelvin, like we did not see Travis Kelce do
the exact same thing in reverse, Andy Reid. Did anybody
say we need to find Travis Kelce one hundred thousand dollars?
How dare he get in Andy Reech's personal mace? No,
they said he got fired up, he was out of line.
I'm sure they talked about it later.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Well, here's why though they have rapport that they literally
have done this for years now.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
This was what black and white situation where you can
put hands on me.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
This is what they do and they chest bump and
they getting each other's face and chest bump. I said,
your first little slap, coach, all right, I get it.
You punched me in you know, a little come on,
hit me in the chest.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I understand it. That second slap you was getting too much.
You was getting off a little too much on that
second slap. Now I mess around, slapped you in the
back of your head when you walked away. Now I'm
looking bad now I got the anger issues. Why the
slapped the coach?
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Let me fired. I'm about to slap rob d when
we get to break here, all right?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox, Did you have
a problem with the Cardinals finding their head coach for
putting hands on a play?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And I just wonder, just upon a thousand, there's a
lot of money. I wonder if there's like more of
a history, cause one hundred th was in this. That
ain't no trump change for coach,
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