December 13, 2018 • 31 mins
It's The Best of the Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob debate whether or not there really is a 'deterioration' coming from Tom Brady as Warren Moon has suggested, and explain why they both think that the 2001 Lakers lead by Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryan would beat the 2018 Warriors led by Kevin Durant and Steph Curry. And, the Odd Couple crew shares the items on their bucket lists in the latest episode of Shop Talk
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s R. You're listening to the Best of The Odd
Couple with Chris Bruchard and Rod Harker. You heard something
this week that put joy in your heart? Oh, don't
come on, man. You heard something this week that made
you feel like you have been ahead of the curve.
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You mean like I felt like having a pack of
cigarettes or something like I was sold for you exactly,
no question. And this is what it was, from none
other than Hall of Famer Warren Moon. This was to
bleach your report, he says, quote, the numbers are starting
this show about Tom Brady. There's a deterioration coming. Look
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at that, Warren Moon calling it like he sees it.
I love guys who are honest in this business. I
love it. I do too, And I give Warren Moon
all the credit in the world because he could just
be politically correct and just be like Tom Brady's a
great quarterback, and I still put him on my team
no matter what. He's just telling people what people might
not want to hear. But we all know what do
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we always say, Chris fall the time is undefeated. It's nothing.
That's nothing against Tom Brady. That's my thing is I
don't think this is some With all due respect to
Warren Moon, I don't think this is a huge revelation.
I've been saying, well, but but here's my point. He's
forty one. Is he what he was two three? Five
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years ago? No, how about six months? But he's still
a very good quarterback and his team is nine and four.
But they still have a chance to win the Super Bowl.
They don't have a chance to win the Super Bowl.
They don't. Does the world beat there in the AFC,
It doesn't matter that is. But I'm gonna tell it
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that team is not the same team a on the road,
which is probably where they gotta go to. Chris, the
defense is not good. I didn't say Tom Brady's good.
I'm just telling the cities. I'm just telling you. You
believe I told you that, But I'm telling you their defense.
Tom can't defense. Tom's not that good. Their defense is
no worse than most of these defenses. And good. There
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are a few teams out there that play there. And
first notice they are not. They're not winning the super Bowl.
I'm stop putting that out favorite. Why because they're not.
I'm not saying they're a favorite. You you cannot sing it.
You sat here a week two and said they were done.
They're done. I'm telling you that they're nine and four.
They have I would you watch the game against the Dolphins?
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Did you watch that game? I watched New Orleans against
Dallas too. Does that mean I'm writing off the Saints?
But the but the Cowboys didn't scoring the second half?
So what they won the game? You played to win
the game? You played to win the game. I mean,
Rob you can. I'm telling you, I don't care that
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Tom Brady is not what he was not an MVP
this year. He is still a winner, He is still
a leader, and he still is an incredibly smart quarterback
to win the day. He still has that team believing
in him, and he still is capable of getting this
team to the super Bowl. And there is no world
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beat out there. When I picked them to be the
favorites in the AFC or the super Bowl. No, but
you cannot see here and tell me they have no chance.
That's just not telling you they're not going to the
super Bowl. That that I'm thinking that out, just like
you win the Super Bowl. I picked the Eagles to
win better. I'm just telling you. I'm just if you're
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gonna get a you're gonna get my call wrong. At
least get the right Philadelphia, the right, right, wrong call,
the right. No, you cannot say I can't they don't
have a chance. That's just not who's the team you're
so confident that doesn't matter. It's about them. It's not
about any other team. It's about them. Everybody. Tom Brady
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can't cover up there. No, tom Brady's not the same guy.
This is a guy who went almost two full games
or three games with one touchdown tom Brady this year.
Look at the games he had where he had like
three games where he scored on it. It's been bad
the last three games. You're gonna you're gonna is he
done now? I mean, come on, it has been Did
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Drew Brees have one touchdown and three games? Let me
tell you about tom Brady's last game. So you wanted
to bring up Miami. I mean because because you can't
have it both ways. If you're just gonna look at
the wins and losses, then he's spectacular nine and four.
If we're gonna if you want to look at stats,
all they won, but he was bad. Okay, let me
give you some stats in a loss to Miami, twenty
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seven of forty three. Really, it's sixty three percent completion.
I'll take that. That's not what you call people complete.
I'll take that. What did he have? What's his best day?
Seventy five percent? No, seventy seven percent. What I'm saying,
sixty three Probably it's still a good day. The reason
these dudes throw seventy five percent completions is because they're
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throwing little dump passes. All that he had three hundred
and fifty eight yards fifty probably was a dump off,
and somebody ran ninety yards, three touchdowns and zero interceptions.
He's thrown for over three hundred yards the last two weeks.
He's thrown for at least two hundred and fifty yards
in it. I don't know what this is the last
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ten games. Two hundred fifty yards in the NFL nowadays,
that's nothing. Drew Brees hasn't hit that mark in like
seven games, and he hasn't hit it in the last week.
Oh but when I bring up winning, you you want
to point out the individual stats. I'm telling you, man,
Tom Brady is still a live wire, and he's still
got a chance to win a live wire. He's Rob.
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You don't nobody else's with you. Let nobody else if
if you would to ask people right now, do you
think that the Patriots could make it will make it
to the super Bowl with Tom Buddy, nobody's on that
bus with you. Oh no, you don't know. Nobody will
barely get a seat on that bus. Nobody believes because
Kansas City's not a world beater, Sandy or Los Angeles
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Chargers are not a world beater, Pittsburgh is not a
world beater, Houston is not a world beater. And Dab
Carson is on my bus. Dad, give Rob a little
taste of something. I am on that bus. I'll take
Tom Brady at seventy five or about twenty six. Ye yes,
I have, I have. But as you say about the
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NBA season, it doesn't start until Christmas. Tom Brady's season
doesn't start until about week sixteen. Preach Week seventeen rolling
into the playoffs, even if he doesn't have a bye week.
I would put my money on Tom Brady and whoever's
playing with him, whatever Island of Misfit Toys or on
his team. This season, you talked about, you know what
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he's done. You talked about a little three game stretch
in November that didn't matter. Oh, it didn't matter. How
about this three game stretch. He's last three, six touchdowns,
one interception, averaging well over three hundred yards a game.
The dude, he's not done now, war move may be right.
There may be a little deterioration. Oh, he may be still.
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He's still good enough to the Super Bowl. He's not
the same quarterback that people think he is that you're
living in the past. Wow, he just threw for three
hundred and sixties. That's the same still the one between
the ears. He's still the same guy. Right, He's got
the intangibles. Brady Brady has deteriorated. Father time, we'll catch
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up with Tom Brady. This will be the year to
go on the road. And when they go on the
road and they're not the home team in the playoffs,
I will bet anybody who comes along that they'll lose.
He's four, what is he? Three and four? Lifetime on
the road. They don't play the same That's what that
was the good Tom Brady, and they don't. They don't
win on the road again, goody I'm talking about was
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the outstanding time. And there were three and there were
three and four in the road. He's say, good Brady, Well,
let's see how the path sets up and where he
would have to go to. Let's wait until till we
get there. But he's still I would still put my
money on him. Like at this point, I would still say, yeah,
they're the favorites to go. I mean, again, the Chiefs
look ridiculously good, but they've had some bumps too. But
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they're still you know, you know, they're still gonna probably
be in the AFC Championship Game. And I'm not even
going as far as I'm not even saying they're the
favorite in the ASC. But when you tell me, Rob
they have no chance, that that's hogwash, that's poppycock, that's
googly gook. Thank you, you know, that's that's way out there,
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this balder dash. I mean to say that they have
no chance. Come on, I just when I look at
that team and the things that have happened this year,
and what's going on with Tom Brady. This dude's in
the super Bowl every other year. That's he lives in
the super Bowl and loses in the super Bowl too,
because he's lost three now, but he's won five. Yeah,
but he's lost three. I'd rather be let me ask
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you this, mister, smart, smart, smart Alec. Would you rather
be five and three in the super Bowl or four
and oh, four and oh any day? No, not me.
I don't need to I don't need to go eight times.
If you told me I was perfect and I was
four and oh, I would love it. Four and oh
is great. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Odd Couple with Chris Brussar then Rob Parker weekdays at
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seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the iHeart Radio appin Nobody Ain't still been a
ball shop? You know that? Ain't nobody? Isn't it? You
talk about whoever it whatever, whatever you want to No,
it's I'm talking, Yes, sir, it is sho I'll talk.
We do this every Thursday at this time where we
take a segment to take a look around outside the
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world of sports because we have other interests, as you know.
And this is one story that went viral this week.
Irene O'sheay celebrated a hundred and second birthday. Congratulations Society.
The best way to do it was to go skydiving,
becoming the oldest person ever to do so. So had
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me thinking, guys, what's one thing on your bucket list
and you want to do before you die? First of all,
that woman, that's incredible. That is incredible, and I'm actually
surprised that there's not an age limit to you know,
who can sky die. But that's impressive. I know. What
was the best part is that she already had to
depend on. I was waiting to see what Alex was
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gonna give that man. You're testing me to see a
woman's one hundred and two years old, it should be
all of rob c see somebody was driving in their
car then left. They sound rang right right. I'm just
saying my bucket list. First of all, we're blessed in
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this field. I mean I've been to the Major League
Baseball game in the World Series, NBA, NBA All Star Games,
super like, We've been to all that so sports stuff.
We've been pretty much done all that. But I like
to travel. My wife and I we like to travel.
I've been to Africa, been to all different parts of Europe,
obviously Canada, um. I I would like to go to Asia,
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and I would like to go to other parts of Africa.
I want to go to Ethiopia, especially in Nubia. Uh.
In Ethiopia, you know they have Ethiopia is the oldest
Christian nation in the world and it has over fifteen
hundred churches that are built into rock like the mountains,
and a lot of archaeologists say that should be the
eighth Wonder of the world. I like to go see that.
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There's all also talked that the Ark of the Covenant
is in Ethiopia actually, so I think I'd like to
go there. Mine is traveling as well. You know, I'm
a world travel I love to travel see stuff. So
I am going to answer one of my scratch off
one of my bucket lists. This come in March or April,
when I go on vacation to an Arctica. Wow, it
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will make it wow. All seven continents that I've been
a seven Yeah, that'll be. That'll be that'll be my
last one. Wow. And I'm really really excited about it.
You get to see the penguins and the whales, and
you know a lot of people say, oh, you went
to the other ones. You shouldn't have, you shouldn't go.
But I'm just close. I don't want to go to
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be able to travel to all of them. I'm oppressed
about quite too, but I'm not. I don't think an Arctica.
But you guys, got something quick, dab you? What's you
on your bucket list? I think because I'm on the
go constantly, I would love to go to Provence, France,
or to the south of France and just stay for
like one week in a villa with a fully stocked
kitchen and maybe a few bottles of wine and just
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relax and write and look out at the green grass
in the hills. That's beautiful. That's nice. Now, I'm I'm
guessing you've been somewhere where you were able to relax.
Maybe not quite to that degree, but right. Yeah. The
thing is, whenever we've had the opportunity, it's always easier
to just let's book a flight to Kawhi, Let's book
a flight to Maui, let's go. I went to Bermuda.
You know, it's it's usually been somewhere closer than that,
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So I'd like to just take some time and be
able to do that. So Rob, gee, what do you got?
I want to slam dunk of basketball? Well, I've never
done like a real one. Me tell you what it's like. Whatever, Alex,
what about you want to go to a soccer game
at Wembley Stadium and host a New York like the
New York party they do. Ryan seacrests, I want to
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do that one year, the New Year's Eve party. Okay.
He also said he wants to eat a Kobe beef
steak one day. Right. I want to see al eat
a state no one. That's That's one thing I wanted
to Hamburger. I want us to go to a Dodger
game and then having met the big Dodger. Oh no,
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now he really you almost made him throw up. I'll
be back. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Odd Couple with Chris Brussar then Rob Parker week days
at seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific. Shaquille O'Neill shock
made some comments this week. He said his famous Kobe
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shack Lakers who won three in a row. You mean
the team that the Pistons two thousand and four Pistons
beat Yeah, because it was all that turmoil going on.
And would you get that that's that champion team to
win the championship. And I don't you know what you
need to stop all those guys? Were they not? No?
They were? Who were they? What team that was the
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quit a team? Maybe the you know what, I will
give you that. I think the Dallas team that beat
the Heat was worse than well. I means that. That's
why that was career time. That was his word. Give
the two thousands and the pitchers they gotta five give
I give them what. It's not a sweep. You you
think every five game series is a sweep. It was
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a five game I give them credit. Those guys have hearty,
they played together. They were really good teams. I remember
the media. You know what, when the Pistons won Game one,
they go all right, okay, they got one. This is
the center. Then then the Lakers won Game two, and
everybody's like, oh, that's it that the Lakers are gonna now,
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you know, run over them. This is it. Then they
went to Detroit. Pitts won the next game. All right,
when the Lakers will win the next game, and then
we know what happened, man, and then the next man.
I mean, god like that. That Lakers team was falling apart.
On that team, I know, Malone and Peyton were basically done. Uh,
Peyton was having trouble. Peyton didn't like playing in the triangle.
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That Phil Jackson. Yeah, Chauncey, I love Chauncey's more power
to them. I don't. I love them, but not that
Laker team. The Laker team before in two thousand, two
thousand and one, and two thousand and two, particularly two
thousand and one where they went sixteen and one in
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the playoffs. That wasn't fifteen and one whatever it was.
They swept the first three rounds fifteen and one. They
swept the first three rounds and then beat Philadelphia for
the first team to do sixteen and one. Yes, because
they changed the fourmatch Yes, but anyway, Shock said that
team would crush the Golden State Warriors. These Golden State
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Warriors of Steph Kirry, Kevin Durant, play Thompson and Draymond Green.
And it's a tough one, Rob, It's very tough to compare.
Eras about a month ago, an NBA player who was
a good player, not a Hall of Famer, but he
played in the finals and all that couple time times
and play with some Hall of famers. He called me
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once a month ago and was like, it's over. I
was like, what what you're talking about. It might have
been two months right early in the season. He said,
the days of comparing eras are over. You can no
longer compare to day's players to when he played, which
was in the nineties for the most part. Like the
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game has changed. And that's what I told him. But
he was, you know, was like, man, these dudes, they
don't post up, they don't play physical, they shoot a
ton of threes. He was like, and you know what
else he said, before we get to Lakers versus Warriors,
He actually said, and all these coaches, when you take
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coaches from my era, he said, when you're gonna take
coaches from that played with me, And I'll just draw
out some of the names from that era, Mark Jackson,
Jason Kinn. Now this is just his opinion. He said,
they're all gonna be struggle because they're gonna coach the
game like we played it, and like we coach. They're
gonna want to you know defense and you know uh
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mid range shot, I know physical and he said they're
gonna struggle, so it's tough to compare it. But you're right,
that's what we do. And so I'm going to say,
gonna remember we got three hours to kill every night, right,
But I'm gonna say I would take the shot, Kobe Lakers.
I say it with a little bit of trepidation, but
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I'm gonna say I would take the shot. I don't
disagree with you. I just because for all the greatness
that is the Warriors, who guards or defend shock? I
just that's the answer you can't give me. And I
know you watch Shack on TNT now and these four
hundred pounds and and and you probably go up, was
he really that good? Dude? He was a dominating player
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for years in that league and he was unstoppable. Am
I right? He's completely unstoppable for those three finals, I believe. Yeah,
average thirty six and fifteen for the three years. Right.
And here's the thing the Warriors, Now they start Damon
Jones in the middle right now, he would get annihilated
by Shaquille O'Neill. But they've been able to get away
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their death lineup. Of course it's Draymond at the center, okay,
And they've been able to get away with that even
when they face seven footers because there are no and
I say no, as good as Joel mbat is and
he's legit, but there are no seven footers that are
going to punish you, punish you like their word back
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in the day. And so I know that analytics guys
from nowadays will say, well, you're gonna trade two for three. Yeah,
Shot gonna get his, but you're gonna trade two for three.
We're gonna hit threes and SHOT's gonna get two. Shock
will put fifty or sixty on you. That's the difference.
Shaquille O'Neill would put fifty or six the points on
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those Golden State Warriors, and that's what the Warriors would
have to deal with. That's what I'm saying. No, I
agree with that. Draymond Green, Garden, Shock, Damian Damon Jones
Garden Shock, No, No, No, JaVale McGee from last year,
Andrew Bogett from years ago, come on. That's what I'm saying,
is like, there's no answer for him. So you would
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be hard pressed to stop Shack and that's the reason
why I would give the Lakers the advantage as well.
I just I'm with you. I give a few more reasons. One,
Kobe you know he's gonna get his. And I think
because Shock would be so dominant, you would be able
to control the tempo of the game. It wouldn't be
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all this just high flying, flinging it all over the
place because you would control tempo. Now, those Lakers, their
athleticism was not up to spar with the Warriors. But
also what rules are we playing? Are we playing where
you can't touch anybody defensively? Or were playing where I
could touch you with one hand. Even if we go
back to when the Cavaliers beat the Warriors in twenty
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sixteen or twenty fifteen, when they gave him a pretty
good series without Kyrie and Kevin Love, they got physical
with the Warriors. Memphis played the Warriors fairly well in
the in the past couple of years because they would
get physical with them. Those Lakers, Derek Fisher, Garden, Steph Curry,
Rick Fox, probably Garden, Durant, Horace Grant, Garden, Dreamer, they
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would get physical. Kobe, of course, Garden play times and
they would get physical and when steps running off screens,
they're bumping them, they're elbowing them to do right, and
you could slow even now. They would do that, and
I think they would get away with it and you
could slow them down. So look, I love these Warriors,
and the fact is this, if these Warriors win like
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four straight, five out of six orders, I'm gonna have
to give them props that they arguably the best team
of all times. Well, if they for right now, I
would take the shot, Kobe. I agree with you. They've
won the three. It was a different game. Shack was
the most dominant player in the entire league. It's hard
to argue Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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search f s R to listen live. Now it's time
to bring in the guests we've been telling you about
our show long. It's none other than Hall of Fame
quarterback Warren Moon. You can follow him on Twitter at
w Moon one, W Moon one. Warren. Welcome to the
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Eye Couple. How you doing, what's up? I'm doing great, guys.
Congratulations on your new show. Thank you so much. We
appreciate it. You're as bitter as always. Hey, Warren, something's
never change you don't. Consistency is what keeps you going,
no doubt. Well, i'll tell you what you can tell.
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He listens. I appreciate Thank you, and Warren, he was
so overjoyed by your comments about time he was literally
dancing in the studio. I didn't say anything derogatory that See.
That's what I want to ask you, because I look,
I think anybody that's gonna be honest is gonna agree
with you that, Yes, there is deterioration in Tom Brady
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this year from last year. But my question to you
is is there too much deterioration for him to lead
the New England to the super Bowl. No, I don't
think that. I think he's still playing good enough to
to lead him to the super Bowl, but he he
might need some more help more than usual. They can't
just use his arm to carry him all the way
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there like he did last year in an MVP season.
But I think this year, with Sunny Michelle and some
of the running game that they have, I think that's
gonna give him a little bit more of a balance
where he doesn't have to carry the football team each
and every week. Yeah, that's that's the big part. I
just I look at it the same way that the
defense isn't that great as other issues. And Brady's just
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if you look at his numbers, everybody was ripping Aaron
Rodgers what a bad year is having. Aaron Rodgers has
more touchdowns and less interceptions than Brady, but everybody said
Aaron Rodgers is having no But I'm just saying I'm
talking about the quarterback numbers, you know what I mean? Warren, Yeah,
is different standard for different guys. There is a different standard,
and I think a lot of people are are comparing
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what he did last year when he won the MVP
compared to where he is right now, and then how
he's handling certain situations, you know, going against the blitz
things like that, where he's always had a lot of success,
now starting not to have as much success against those situations.
Some of that has to do with personnel, but some
of it has to do with I think your body
just sometimes doesn't react the way your mind wants it too,
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because you are starting to get a little bit older,
and it's just it's nothing that he can guard against.
It's just something that happens with time. Your last year,
I mean, you played till you were forty four, your
last eight year. You're a pro bowler at forty one.
What age do you think? I mean, I think these
guys he says he wants to play till forty five,
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but that just seems virtually impossible. Well, I don't know
if it's impossible. It just depends on the level that
he continues to want to play at. If he sees
his skills starting to diminish, does he still want to
stay out there or does he want to stay at
a certain level before he actually leaves the game. Given
everything that he's accomplished in the game, there's no reason
for him to keep playing that long. But you know,
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for me it was different because I was still chasing
something that I didn't have, where he's got five of
them already and it's been the eighth, So I think
the reason for staying in is a little bit different.
But I just don't think he's gonna play the forty
five either. Like I said that an article, I felt
like if he would have won the Super Bowl last
year against Philadelphia, he might have retired last year, leaving
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with the super Bowl title behind him his six one,
and he would have been a way ahead of everybody else.
But because of that, I think that's what brought him
back that he didn't win in he had that bitter
taste in his mouth and he wanted to come back
and try it again. You know what, I'm glad you
brought up the number of chances at the Super Bowl,
and of course the number of wins. I'm always telling people,
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I consider Joe Montana the greatest quarterback with the four
and eleven touchdowns, no picks in the Super Bowl, three MVPs,
two game winning touchdowns to win super Bowls. People point
to Brady because he's been to eight, but he's lost
three times, twice to Eli Manning and once to a
backup quarterback in Nick Foles. Would you rather be if
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you had either one, four and oh being perfect or
it's five and three. That that much of a difference
to you by going to more even though you lost three. Well,
you know, Joe Montana was my goat up until a
couple of years ago when Tom brought him back from
twenty twenty five points back in the Super Bowl and
won that. I mean, when Atlanta showed Warren, I mean
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that game, whatever happened, Rob Brunnibag and they won the game,
and that kind of calapulted him, you know, over Joe
to me because it was his fifth one and the
way he did it really was impressive because they did
come back from twenty five points. But yeah, what Joe
did as impressive and nobody else think will ever do
what he's done, because nobody's even close to that right now.
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So you still have to put Joe up there and
at least one A if not, if not one B.
It's the eye couple of Christmassar and Rob Parkerwood, joined
by Hall of Fame quarterback Warren Moon. Warren Rob mentioned
Aaron Rodgers earlier. He's for him, he's having a down year.
What do you see when you watch him? Does he
look as sharp as normal off off year or do
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you think there's some decline even in Aaron Rodgers. Now, No,
I don't think there's any decline. You gotta remember he uh,
I forgot exactly what he did to his knee, but
I'm sure he stretched some ligaments or whatever early in
the seasons game and he played with that pretty much
for the next five or six weeks before he got
to his bye week and had a chance to maybe
heal up, you know, all the way. And I still
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don't know if he's one hundred percent. I know he's
not wearing the brace anymore. But he still played relatively
good throughout that period with a bad knee. So that
was very, very impressive. But I think a lot of
people were judging him on his season because of not
playing as well as he normally did. But you got
to remember why he wasn't playing that way, because he
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was playing basically on a leg and a half and
and still did a pretty good job without a running
game at that time, Warren, who do you like out
of the young new quarterbacks in the league? Obviously, this
is Patrick Mahomes second year, didn't play really played that
much his first year. He's lighting it up. What he
got forty three touchdown? Noah, because he's got two more tonight. Um,
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what do you think of him? And who else do
you like? As far as the young guys? God, he's
obviously you know right up there. I knew he had
great ability coming out of college. I watched him play
a lot of Texas Tech. I just was wondering if
he would you make some of the same mistakes that
he made in college, like throwing the ball up for grabs,
and he's done a little bit of that in the NFL,
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but not as much, and has really been impressive in
his first year. So he's the guy that I really
look at. You know, as you look around the league,
you know, some of these young guys who came in
h not as impressed with them so far. I think
Baker Mayfield starting to play better since they've made the
coaching change. I think they're starting to not make him
throw the ball as much. You look at his attempts,
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there's somewhere around twenty two to twenty five a game,
so he's being more efficient not having to put it
all on his shoulders. And they're relying more on Nick
Chubb in the running game in their defense to win
football games. And there was a new confidence there in Cleveland.
So those are two guys that just came into the
league that are a really good quarterback. So there's a
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lot of other ones around the league, but I think
those two right now are two of the more impressive
ones because one is in his second year and one
as a rookie. We have about thirty second left war
we had another debate, if if if you, if you
had to pick between the two quarterbacks you would want
your career to Mira, Would it be Philip Rivers, who's
had really good, consistent years for a long time, or
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Eli Manning who hasn't had really good regular seasons but
one two super bowls, beat the Patriots twice, the eighteen
and old Patriots. Which one would you choose if you
had a choice between Philip Rivers being Philip Rivers or
Eli Manning man That's a that's a tough comparison. You
gave me right there, because I love Philip Rivers. I've
loved him for a long time. He's a great quarterback,
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and he's been so productive and just hasn't had the
total team around him. He's been doing AFC Championship game
and even in that game, I think he had a
torn mother was torn ligament in his knee and still
played in the game. And La Damien Thomas and missed
that game as well. But you know, Eli, you just
can't you play this game to win championships. And Eli
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has two Super Bowls, So I'd have to say that
because that's why you play the game of football, That's
why you play a team sport to win a championship,
and he's got two of them. Is he a Hall
of Famer? Yah? Eli, I think because of the two championships,
you'd have to say that. You know, if you looked
at everything else, it would be it would be tough.
But but if because of those championships, so much has
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weighed on that. Today everybody looks at how many Super
Bowls do you have, especially with quarterbacks. That's how you
judged a lot, and he's got two, so you'd have
to say he's a Hall of famer. All right, Warren,
thank you so much. All Right, guys, thanks for having
me on. A good luck with the rest of the show.
Happy holidays, Thank you, Holidays to you as well.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of The Odd
Couple with Chris Bruchard and Rod Harker. You heard something
this week that put joy in your heart? Oh, don't
come on, man. You heard something this week that made
you feel like you have been ahead of the curve.
(00:41):
You mean like I felt like having a pack of
cigarettes or something like I was sold for you exactly,
no question. And this is what it was, from none
other than Hall of Famer Warren Moon. This was to
bleach your report, he says, quote, the numbers are starting
this show about Tom Brady. There's a deterioration coming. Look
(01:07):
at that, Warren Moon calling it like he sees it.
I love guys who are honest in this business. I
love it. I do too, And I give Warren Moon
all the credit in the world because he could just
be politically correct and just be like Tom Brady's a
great quarterback, and I still put him on my team
no matter what. He's just telling people what people might
not want to hear. But we all know what do
(01:29):
we always say, Chris fall the time is undefeated. It's nothing.
That's nothing against Tom Brady. That's my thing is I
don't think this is some With all due respect to
Warren Moon, I don't think this is a huge revelation.
I've been saying, well, but but here's my point. He's
forty one. Is he what he was two three? Five
(01:52):
years ago? No, how about six months? But he's still
a very good quarterback and his team is nine and four.
But they still have a chance to win the Super Bowl.
They don't have a chance to win the Super Bowl.
They don't. Does the world beat there in the AFC,
It doesn't matter that is. But I'm gonna tell it
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that team is not the same team a on the road,
which is probably where they gotta go to. Chris, the
defense is not good. I didn't say Tom Brady's good.
I'm just telling the cities. I'm just telling you. You
believe I told you that, But I'm telling you their defense.
Tom can't defense. Tom's not that good. Their defense is
no worse than most of these defenses. And good. There
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are a few teams out there that play there. And
first notice they are not. They're not winning the super Bowl.
I'm stop putting that out favorite. Why because they're not.
I'm not saying they're a favorite. You you cannot sing it.
You sat here a week two and said they were done.
They're done. I'm telling you that they're nine and four.
They have I would you watch the game against the Dolphins?
(02:57):
Did you watch that game? I watched New Orleans against
Dallas too. Does that mean I'm writing off the Saints?
But the but the Cowboys didn't scoring the second half?
So what they won the game? You played to win
the game? You played to win the game. I mean,
Rob you can. I'm telling you, I don't care that
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Tom Brady is not what he was not an MVP
this year. He is still a winner, He is still
a leader, and he still is an incredibly smart quarterback
to win the day. He still has that team believing
in him, and he still is capable of getting this
team to the super Bowl. And there is no world
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beat out there. When I picked them to be the
favorites in the AFC or the super Bowl. No, but
you cannot see here and tell me they have no chance.
That's just not telling you they're not going to the
super Bowl. That that I'm thinking that out, just like
you win the Super Bowl. I picked the Eagles to
win better. I'm just telling you. I'm just if you're
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gonna get a you're gonna get my call wrong. At
least get the right Philadelphia, the right, right, wrong call,
the right. No, you cannot say I can't they don't
have a chance. That's just not who's the team you're
so confident that doesn't matter. It's about them. It's not
about any other team. It's about them. Everybody. Tom Brady
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can't cover up there. No, tom Brady's not the same guy.
This is a guy who went almost two full games
or three games with one touchdown tom Brady this year.
Look at the games he had where he had like
three games where he scored on it. It's been bad
the last three games. You're gonna you're gonna is he
done now? I mean, come on, it has been Did
(04:44):
Drew Brees have one touchdown and three games? Let me
tell you about tom Brady's last game. So you wanted
to bring up Miami. I mean because because you can't
have it both ways. If you're just gonna look at
the wins and losses, then he's spectacular nine and four.
If we're gonna if you want to look at stats,
all they won, but he was bad. Okay, let me
give you some stats in a loss to Miami, twenty
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seven of forty three. Really, it's sixty three percent completion.
I'll take that. That's not what you call people complete.
I'll take that. What did he have? What's his best day?
Seventy five percent? No, seventy seven percent. What I'm saying,
sixty three Probably it's still a good day. The reason
these dudes throw seventy five percent completions is because they're
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throwing little dump passes. All that he had three hundred
and fifty eight yards fifty probably was a dump off,
and somebody ran ninety yards, three touchdowns and zero interceptions.
He's thrown for over three hundred yards the last two weeks.
He's thrown for at least two hundred and fifty yards
in it. I don't know what this is the last
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ten games. Two hundred fifty yards in the NFL nowadays,
that's nothing. Drew Brees hasn't hit that mark in like
seven games, and he hasn't hit it in the last week.
Oh but when I bring up winning, you you want
to point out the individual stats. I'm telling you, man,
Tom Brady is still a live wire, and he's still
got a chance to win a live wire. He's Rob.
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You don't nobody else's with you. Let nobody else if
if you would to ask people right now, do you
think that the Patriots could make it will make it
to the super Bowl with Tom Buddy, nobody's on that
bus with you. Oh no, you don't know. Nobody will
barely get a seat on that bus. Nobody believes because
Kansas City's not a world beater, Sandy or Los Angeles
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Chargers are not a world beater, Pittsburgh is not a
world beater, Houston is not a world beater. And Dab
Carson is on my bus. Dad, give Rob a little
taste of something. I am on that bus. I'll take
Tom Brady at seventy five or about twenty six. Ye yes,
I have, I have. But as you say about the
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NBA season, it doesn't start until Christmas. Tom Brady's season
doesn't start until about week sixteen. Preach Week seventeen rolling
into the playoffs, even if he doesn't have a bye week.
I would put my money on Tom Brady and whoever's
playing with him, whatever Island of Misfit Toys or on
his team. This season, you talked about, you know what
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he's done. You talked about a little three game stretch
in November that didn't matter. Oh, it didn't matter. How
about this three game stretch. He's last three, six touchdowns,
one interception, averaging well over three hundred yards a game.
The dude, he's not done now, war move may be right.
There may be a little deterioration. Oh, he may be still.
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He's still good enough to the Super Bowl. He's not
the same quarterback that people think he is that you're
living in the past. Wow, he just threw for three
hundred and sixties. That's the same still the one between
the ears. He's still the same guy. Right, He's got
the intangibles. Brady Brady has deteriorated. Father time, we'll catch
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up with Tom Brady. This will be the year to
go on the road. And when they go on the
road and they're not the home team in the playoffs,
I will bet anybody who comes along that they'll lose.
He's four, what is he? Three and four? Lifetime on
the road. They don't play the same That's what that
was the good Tom Brady, and they don't. They don't
win on the road again, goody I'm talking about was
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the outstanding time. And there were three and there were
three and four in the road. He's say, good Brady, Well,
let's see how the path sets up and where he
would have to go to. Let's wait until till we
get there. But he's still I would still put my
money on him. Like at this point, I would still say, yeah,
they're the favorites to go. I mean, again, the Chiefs
look ridiculously good, but they've had some bumps too. But
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they're still you know, you know, they're still gonna probably
be in the AFC Championship Game. And I'm not even
going as far as I'm not even saying they're the
favorite in the ASC. But when you tell me, Rob
they have no chance, that that's hogwash, that's poppycock, that's
googly gook. Thank you, you know, that's that's way out there,
(09:00):
this balder dash. I mean to say that they have
no chance. Come on, I just when I look at
that team and the things that have happened this year,
and what's going on with Tom Brady. This dude's in
the super Bowl every other year. That's he lives in
the super Bowl and loses in the super Bowl too,
because he's lost three now, but he's won five. Yeah,
but he's lost three. I'd rather be let me ask
(09:22):
you this, mister, smart, smart, smart Alec. Would you rather
be five and three in the super Bowl or four
and oh, four and oh any day? No, not me.
I don't need to I don't need to go eight times.
If you told me I was perfect and I was
four and oh, I would love it. Four and oh
is great. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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(09:45):
seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the iHeart Radio appin Nobody Ain't still been a
ball shop? You know that? Ain't nobody? Isn't it? You
talk about whoever it whatever, whatever you want to No,
it's I'm talking, Yes, sir, it is sho I'll talk.
We do this every Thursday at this time where we
take a segment to take a look around outside the
(10:08):
world of sports because we have other interests, as you know.
And this is one story that went viral this week.
Irene O'sheay celebrated a hundred and second birthday. Congratulations Society.
The best way to do it was to go skydiving,
becoming the oldest person ever to do so. So had
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me thinking, guys, what's one thing on your bucket list
and you want to do before you die? First of all,
that woman, that's incredible. That is incredible, and I'm actually
surprised that there's not an age limit to you know,
who can sky die. But that's impressive. I know. What
was the best part is that she already had to
depend on. I was waiting to see what Alex was
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gonna give that man. You're testing me to see a
woman's one hundred and two years old, it should be
all of rob c see somebody was driving in their
car then left. They sound rang right right. I'm just
saying my bucket list. First of all, we're blessed in
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this field. I mean I've been to the Major League
Baseball game in the World Series, NBA, NBA All Star Games,
super like, We've been to all that so sports stuff.
We've been pretty much done all that. But I like
to travel. My wife and I we like to travel.
I've been to Africa, been to all different parts of Europe,
obviously Canada, um. I I would like to go to Asia,
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and I would like to go to other parts of Africa.
I want to go to Ethiopia, especially in Nubia. Uh.
In Ethiopia, you know they have Ethiopia is the oldest
Christian nation in the world and it has over fifteen
hundred churches that are built into rock like the mountains,
and a lot of archaeologists say that should be the
eighth Wonder of the world. I like to go see that.
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There's all also talked that the Ark of the Covenant
is in Ethiopia actually, so I think I'd like to
go there. Mine is traveling as well. You know, I'm
a world travel I love to travel see stuff. So
I am going to answer one of my scratch off
one of my bucket lists. This come in March or April,
when I go on vacation to an Arctica. Wow, it
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will make it wow. All seven continents that I've been
a seven Yeah, that'll be. That'll be that'll be my
last one. Wow. And I'm really really excited about it.
You get to see the penguins and the whales, and
you know a lot of people say, oh, you went
to the other ones. You shouldn't have, you shouldn't go.
But I'm just close. I don't want to go to
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be able to travel to all of them. I'm oppressed
about quite too, but I'm not. I don't think an Arctica.
But you guys, got something quick, dab you? What's you
on your bucket list? I think because I'm on the
go constantly, I would love to go to Provence, France,
or to the south of France and just stay for
like one week in a villa with a fully stocked
kitchen and maybe a few bottles of wine and just
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relax and write and look out at the green grass
in the hills. That's beautiful. That's nice. Now, I'm I'm
guessing you've been somewhere where you were able to relax.
Maybe not quite to that degree, but right. Yeah. The
thing is, whenever we've had the opportunity, it's always easier
to just let's book a flight to Kawhi, Let's book
a flight to Maui, let's go. I went to Bermuda.
You know, it's it's usually been somewhere closer than that,
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So I'd like to just take some time and be
able to do that. So Rob, gee, what do you got?
I want to slam dunk of basketball? Well, I've never
done like a real one. Me tell you what it's like. Whatever, Alex,
what about you want to go to a soccer game
at Wembley Stadium and host a New York like the
New York party they do. Ryan seacrests, I want to
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do that one year, the New Year's Eve party. Okay.
He also said he wants to eat a Kobe beef
steak one day. Right. I want to see al eat
a state no one. That's That's one thing I wanted
to Hamburger. I want us to go to a Dodger
game and then having met the big Dodger. Oh no,
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now he really you almost made him throw up. I'll
be back. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Odd Couple with Chris Brussar then Rob Parker week days
at seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific. Shaquille O'Neill shock
made some comments this week. He said his famous Kobe
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shack Lakers who won three in a row. You mean
the team that the Pistons two thousand and four Pistons
beat Yeah, because it was all that turmoil going on.
And would you get that that's that champion team to
win the championship. And I don't you know what you
need to stop all those guys? Were they not? No?
They were? Who were they? What team that was the
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quit a team? Maybe the you know what, I will
give you that. I think the Dallas team that beat
the Heat was worse than well. I means that. That's
why that was career time. That was his word. Give
the two thousands and the pitchers they gotta five give
I give them what. It's not a sweep. You you
think every five game series is a sweep. It was
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a five game I give them credit. Those guys have hearty,
they played together. They were really good teams. I remember
the media. You know what, when the Pistons won Game one,
they go all right, okay, they got one. This is
the center. Then then the Lakers won Game two, and
everybody's like, oh, that's it that the Lakers are gonna now,
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you know, run over them. This is it. Then they
went to Detroit. Pitts won the next game. All right,
when the Lakers will win the next game, and then
we know what happened, man, and then the next man.
I mean, god like that. That Lakers team was falling apart.
On that team, I know, Malone and Peyton were basically done. Uh,
Peyton was having trouble. Peyton didn't like playing in the triangle.
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That Phil Jackson. Yeah, Chauncey, I love Chauncey's more power
to them. I don't. I love them, but not that
Laker team. The Laker team before in two thousand, two
thousand and one, and two thousand and two, particularly two
thousand and one where they went sixteen and one in
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the playoffs. That wasn't fifteen and one whatever it was.
They swept the first three rounds fifteen and one. They
swept the first three rounds and then beat Philadelphia for
the first team to do sixteen and one. Yes, because
they changed the fourmatch Yes, but anyway, Shock said that
team would crush the Golden State Warriors. These Golden State
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Warriors of Steph Kirry, Kevin Durant, play Thompson and Draymond Green.
And it's a tough one, Rob, It's very tough to compare.
Eras about a month ago, an NBA player who was
a good player, not a Hall of Famer, but he
played in the finals and all that couple time times
and play with some Hall of famers. He called me
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once a month ago and was like, it's over. I
was like, what what you're talking about. It might have
been two months right early in the season. He said,
the days of comparing eras are over. You can no
longer compare to day's players to when he played, which
was in the nineties for the most part. Like the
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game has changed. And that's what I told him. But
he was, you know, was like, man, these dudes, they
don't post up, they don't play physical, they shoot a
ton of threes. He was like, and you know what
else he said, before we get to Lakers versus Warriors,
He actually said, and all these coaches, when you take
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coaches from my era, he said, when you're gonna take
coaches from that played with me, And I'll just draw
out some of the names from that era, Mark Jackson,
Jason Kinn. Now this is just his opinion. He said,
they're all gonna be struggle because they're gonna coach the
game like we played it, and like we coach. They're
gonna want to you know defense and you know uh
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mid range shot, I know physical and he said they're
gonna struggle, so it's tough to compare it. But you're right,
that's what we do. And so I'm going to say,
gonna remember we got three hours to kill every night, right,
But I'm gonna say I would take the shot, Kobe Lakers.
I say it with a little bit of trepidation, but
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I'm gonna say I would take the shot. I don't
disagree with you. I just because for all the greatness
that is the Warriors, who guards or defend shock? I
just that's the answer you can't give me. And I
know you watch Shack on TNT now and these four
hundred pounds and and and you probably go up, was
he really that good? Dude? He was a dominating player
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for years in that league and he was unstoppable. Am
I right? He's completely unstoppable for those three finals, I believe. Yeah,
average thirty six and fifteen for the three years. Right.
And here's the thing the Warriors, Now they start Damon
Jones in the middle right now, he would get annihilated
by Shaquille O'Neill. But they've been able to get away
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their death lineup. Of course it's Draymond at the center, okay,
And they've been able to get away with that even
when they face seven footers because there are no and
I say no, as good as Joel mbat is and
he's legit, but there are no seven footers that are
going to punish you, punish you like their word back
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in the day. And so I know that analytics guys
from nowadays will say, well, you're gonna trade two for three. Yeah,
Shot gonna get his, but you're gonna trade two for three.
We're gonna hit threes and SHOT's gonna get two. Shock
will put fifty or sixty on you. That's the difference.
Shaquille O'Neill would put fifty or six the points on
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those Golden State Warriors, and that's what the Warriors would
have to deal with. That's what I'm saying. No, I
agree with that. Draymond Green, Garden, Shock, Damian Damon Jones
Garden Shock, No, No, No, JaVale McGee from last year,
Andrew Bogett from years ago, come on. That's what I'm saying,
is like, there's no answer for him. So you would
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be hard pressed to stop Shack and that's the reason
why I would give the Lakers the advantage as well.
I just I'm with you. I give a few more reasons. One,
Kobe you know he's gonna get his. And I think
because Shock would be so dominant, you would be able
to control the tempo of the game. It wouldn't be
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all this just high flying, flinging it all over the
place because you would control tempo. Now, those Lakers, their
athleticism was not up to spar with the Warriors. But
also what rules are we playing? Are we playing where
you can't touch anybody defensively? Or were playing where I
could touch you with one hand. Even if we go
back to when the Cavaliers beat the Warriors in twenty
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sixteen or twenty fifteen, when they gave him a pretty
good series without Kyrie and Kevin Love, they got physical
with the Warriors. Memphis played the Warriors fairly well in
the in the past couple of years because they would
get physical with them. Those Lakers, Derek Fisher, Garden, Steph Curry,
Rick Fox, probably Garden, Durant, Horace Grant, Garden, Dreamer, they
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would get physical. Kobe, of course, Garden play times and
they would get physical and when steps running off screens,
they're bumping them, they're elbowing them to do right, and
you could slow even now. They would do that, and
I think they would get away with it and you
could slow them down. So look, I love these Warriors,
and the fact is this, if these Warriors win like
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four straight, five out of six orders, I'm gonna have
to give them props that they arguably the best team
of all times. Well, if they for right now, I
would take the shot, Kobe. I agree with you. They've
won the three. It was a different game. Shack was
the most dominant player in the entire league. It's hard
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to bring in the guests we've been telling you about
our show long. It's none other than Hall of Fame
quarterback Warren Moon. You can follow him on Twitter at
w Moon one, W Moon one. Warren. Welcome to the
(22:38):
Eye Couple. How you doing, what's up? I'm doing great, guys.
Congratulations on your new show. Thank you so much. We
appreciate it. You're as bitter as always. Hey, Warren, something's
never change you don't. Consistency is what keeps you going,
no doubt. Well, i'll tell you what you can tell.
(22:58):
He listens. I appreciate Thank you, and Warren, he was
so overjoyed by your comments about time he was literally
dancing in the studio. I didn't say anything derogatory that See.
That's what I want to ask you, because I look,
I think anybody that's gonna be honest is gonna agree
with you that, Yes, there is deterioration in Tom Brady
(23:21):
this year from last year. But my question to you
is is there too much deterioration for him to lead
the New England to the super Bowl. No, I don't
think that. I think he's still playing good enough to
to lead him to the super Bowl, but he he
might need some more help more than usual. They can't
just use his arm to carry him all the way
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there like he did last year in an MVP season.
But I think this year, with Sunny Michelle and some
of the running game that they have, I think that's
gonna give him a little bit more of a balance
where he doesn't have to carry the football team each
and every week. Yeah, that's that's the big part. I
just I look at it the same way that the
defense isn't that great as other issues. And Brady's just
(24:05):
if you look at his numbers, everybody was ripping Aaron
Rodgers what a bad year is having. Aaron Rodgers has
more touchdowns and less interceptions than Brady, but everybody said
Aaron Rodgers is having no But I'm just saying I'm
talking about the quarterback numbers, you know what I mean? Warren, Yeah,
is different standard for different guys. There is a different standard,
and I think a lot of people are are comparing
(24:26):
what he did last year when he won the MVP
compared to where he is right now, and then how
he's handling certain situations, you know, going against the blitz
things like that, where he's always had a lot of success,
now starting not to have as much success against those situations.
Some of that has to do with personnel, but some
of it has to do with I think your body
just sometimes doesn't react the way your mind wants it too,
(24:48):
because you are starting to get a little bit older,
and it's just it's nothing that he can guard against.
It's just something that happens with time. Your last year,
I mean, you played till you were forty four, your
last eight year. You're a pro bowler at forty one.
What age do you think? I mean, I think these
guys he says he wants to play till forty five,
(25:08):
but that just seems virtually impossible. Well, I don't know
if it's impossible. It just depends on the level that
he continues to want to play at. If he sees
his skills starting to diminish, does he still want to
stay out there or does he want to stay at
a certain level before he actually leaves the game. Given
everything that he's accomplished in the game, there's no reason
for him to keep playing that long. But you know,
(25:31):
for me it was different because I was still chasing
something that I didn't have, where he's got five of
them already and it's been the eighth, So I think
the reason for staying in is a little bit different.
But I just don't think he's gonna play the forty
five either. Like I said that an article, I felt
like if he would have won the Super Bowl last
year against Philadelphia, he might have retired last year, leaving
(25:53):
with the super Bowl title behind him his six one,
and he would have been a way ahead of everybody else.
But because of that, I think that's what brought him
back that he didn't win in he had that bitter
taste in his mouth and he wanted to come back
and try it again. You know what, I'm glad you
brought up the number of chances at the Super Bowl,
and of course the number of wins. I'm always telling people,
(26:14):
I consider Joe Montana the greatest quarterback with the four
and eleven touchdowns, no picks in the Super Bowl, three MVPs,
two game winning touchdowns to win super Bowls. People point
to Brady because he's been to eight, but he's lost
three times, twice to Eli Manning and once to a
backup quarterback in Nick Foles. Would you rather be if
(26:36):
you had either one, four and oh being perfect or
it's five and three. That that much of a difference
to you by going to more even though you lost three. Well,
you know, Joe Montana was my goat up until a
couple of years ago when Tom brought him back from
twenty twenty five points back in the Super Bowl and
won that. I mean, when Atlanta showed Warren, I mean
(26:57):
that game, whatever happened, Rob Brunnibag and they won the game,
and that kind of calapulted him, you know, over Joe
to me because it was his fifth one and the
way he did it really was impressive because they did
come back from twenty five points. But yeah, what Joe
did as impressive and nobody else think will ever do
what he's done, because nobody's even close to that right now.
(27:20):
So you still have to put Joe up there and
at least one A if not, if not one B.
It's the eye couple of Christmassar and Rob Parkerwood, joined
by Hall of Fame quarterback Warren Moon. Warren Rob mentioned
Aaron Rodgers earlier. He's for him, he's having a down year.
What do you see when you watch him? Does he
look as sharp as normal off off year or do
(27:45):
you think there's some decline even in Aaron Rodgers. Now, No,
I don't think there's any decline. You gotta remember he uh,
I forgot exactly what he did to his knee, but
I'm sure he stretched some ligaments or whatever early in
the seasons game and he played with that pretty much
for the next five or six weeks before he got
to his bye week and had a chance to maybe
heal up, you know, all the way. And I still
(28:07):
don't know if he's one hundred percent. I know he's
not wearing the brace anymore. But he still played relatively
good throughout that period with a bad knee. So that
was very, very impressive. But I think a lot of
people were judging him on his season because of not
playing as well as he normally did. But you got
to remember why he wasn't playing that way, because he
(28:27):
was playing basically on a leg and a half and
and still did a pretty good job without a running
game at that time, Warren, who do you like out
of the young new quarterbacks in the league? Obviously, this
is Patrick Mahomes second year, didn't play really played that
much his first year. He's lighting it up. What he
got forty three touchdown? Noah, because he's got two more tonight. Um,
(28:49):
what do you think of him? And who else do
you like? As far as the young guys? God, he's
obviously you know right up there. I knew he had
great ability coming out of college. I watched him play
a lot of Texas Tech. I just was wondering if
he would you make some of the same mistakes that
he made in college, like throwing the ball up for grabs,
and he's done a little bit of that in the NFL,
(29:09):
but not as much, and has really been impressive in
his first year. So he's the guy that I really
look at. You know, as you look around the league,
you know, some of these young guys who came in
h not as impressed with them so far. I think
Baker Mayfield starting to play better since they've made the
coaching change. I think they're starting to not make him
throw the ball as much. You look at his attempts,
(29:30):
there's somewhere around twenty two to twenty five a game,
so he's being more efficient not having to put it
all on his shoulders. And they're relying more on Nick
Chubb in the running game in their defense to win
football games. And there was a new confidence there in Cleveland.
So those are two guys that just came into the
league that are a really good quarterback. So there's a
(29:50):
lot of other ones around the league, but I think
those two right now are two of the more impressive
ones because one is in his second year and one
as a rookie. We have about thirty second left war
we had another debate, if if if you, if you
had to pick between the two quarterbacks you would want
your career to Mira, Would it be Philip Rivers, who's
had really good, consistent years for a long time, or
(30:14):
Eli Manning who hasn't had really good regular seasons but
one two super bowls, beat the Patriots twice, the eighteen
and old Patriots. Which one would you choose if you
had a choice between Philip Rivers being Philip Rivers or
Eli Manning man That's a that's a tough comparison. You
gave me right there, because I love Philip Rivers. I've
loved him for a long time. He's a great quarterback,
(30:35):
and he's been so productive and just hasn't had the
total team around him. He's been doing AFC Championship game
and even in that game, I think he had a
torn mother was torn ligament in his knee and still
played in the game. And La Damien Thomas and missed
that game as well. But you know, Eli, you just
can't you play this game to win championships. And Eli
(30:57):
has two Super Bowls, So I'd have to say that
because that's why you play the game of football, That's
why you play a team sport to win a championship,
and he's got two of them. Is he a Hall
of Famer? Yah? Eli, I think because of the two championships,
you'd have to say that. You know, if you looked
at everything else, it would be it would be tough.
But but if because of those championships, so much has
(31:20):
weighed on that. Today everybody looks at how many Super
Bowls do you have, especially with quarterbacks. That's how you
judged a lot, and he's got two, so you'd have
to say he's a Hall of famer. All right, Warren,
thank you so much. All Right, guys, thanks for having
me on. A good luck with the rest of the show.
Happy holidays, Thank you, Holidays to you as well.
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