On today’s episode, Jason discusses how the Buffalo Bills were able to force Patrick Mahomes into one of the worst performances of his NFL career, why it's so hard to figure out which NFL teams are actually good on a week-to-week basis, which two teams he'd pick to make the Super Bowl if he had to decide today (Bills and Philadelphia Eagles), what the NFL needs to change to ensure that we don't see more injuries to quarterbacks like Jayden Daniels and CJ Stroud, and why the Chicago Bears win over the Cincinnati Bengals was the most awesomely bad game of the weekend. Finally, J-Mac closes the show by dispelling the notion that the Los Angeles Dodgers winning the World Series is somehow bad for Major League Baseball.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up? Straight Fire? I am HiT's me Jason McIntyre,
Straight baw Yer for Monday, November, the third Halloween is
in the rearview mirror. Hope everybody had a safe, fun,
awesome Halloween weekend. I've eaten a lot of my kids candy, uh,
to the point that like I basically hand picked all
the good stuff. It was a phenomenal weekend just all around,
(00:35):
except for the time change. I hate that. I cannot
stand it. Hit some Halloween parties watched I think the
greatest World Series Game seven of my life. I'm sure
there have been other ones that were comparable, but I
certainly don't remember them. This one was riveting. We'll talk
about it at length. Obviously, we'll do NFL first. We're
not gonna get into the college football stuff. I know
(00:55):
another coach got fired. I think it was the guy
at Auburn. He got canned. They're just everybody in college football.
It's like, hey, you're not delivering. Get the hell out
of dodge. But we'll start with the NFL. And obviously
we're going to go to the Game of this Century
as it usually is called Buffalo twenty eight, KC twenty one.
(01:15):
I don't know why everybody loved Kansas City here, all
the sharp betters were all over all you got to
take Kansas Study best team in the league on the
herd this past week, I said, cowhard, I'm so confident
in Buffalo. If the Chiefs win, I will not say
a negative word about them again this regular season. And
then the Bills won, and the Bills handled it. This
was not particularly close. Guys. Listen, I'm not going to
(01:39):
be out here bashing Patrick Mahomes. He's obviously a great
quarterback that's undeniable. But Patrick Mahomes just had the worst
game of his career against the defense that's been kind
of pushed around by a lot of teams in this league.
I mean, we saw Drake may have his way with
the Buffalo Bills defense less than a month ago. We
(02:00):
saw Michael Pennox carve up the Buffalo Bill's defense. Okay,
I mean Lamar Jackson. In the opening, when everybody was
healthy up and down the field, they scored forty points.
Patrick Mahomes, I think it was like, with six minutes up,
they were still stuck on thirteen points. Mahomes fifteen of
thirty four. Maybe the stat of Sunday, the first time
(02:22):
in his career he's had under fifty percent completions. It
was staggering. I'm not saying nobody's saying Mahomes is a
terrible quarterback. It's okay to say, man Patrick Mahomes had
the worst game of his career in a weirdly big spot.
And then you know, that's when the cheese fans get
all worked up and it said, well, wait a minute,
we didn't have but check. Oh, it's always somebody's missing. Well,
(02:46):
you know, let me see Rashe Rice was there. Yeah,
he didn't do much for my fantasy team, but Race
Rice did play. Let me see Hollywood Brown. Yeah he played.
He played, Xavier Worthy, he he showed up yep, yep.
Three catches on seven targets. Travis Kelsey, yes he played.
Oh so, basically they had everyone except Isaiah Pacheco. Now,
the offensive line, which hasn't been great, was missing Simmons again,
(03:08):
the young rookie left tackle, and then Trey Smith sat out,
and I think someone else got hurt, so they got
dinged up. They sacked Mahomes three times. It felt like
they hit him a ton I'm seeing fifteen in the
ESPN box spoor score. Bosa and Russo dominated the edges.
It wasn't quite like Mahomes struggling in the Super Bowl
against Tampa or in the Super Bowl against the Eagles,
(03:30):
where he was literally on his back every play. But
Mahomes was clearly flustered and rattled in office spot and
wasn't the same Mahomes magic outside of you know, a
fourth and seventeen completion. Fun stats for those who care
for this mighty Kansas City defense, which everybody thought was
good because they smoked Rob G's raiders right and they
(03:51):
shut down Marcus Mariota. Last week, the Bills went seven
for twelve on third down. You know, math majors out there,
that's pretty damn good. Above fifty percent, three for three
in the red zone. Chiefs had not allowed a one
hundred yard rusher in twenty seven games. James Cook, who
I was upset did not get carries inside the five
for my fantasy team, did have one hundred and fourteen
(04:12):
yards on the ground, and Josh Allen twenty three of
twenty six. Just listen, I'm not doing the MVP thing.
I'm not, you know, at Fox. They always are like, oh, well,
what about Baker Rayfield for the VP, let's talk about that,
or who's your VP leader? I'm like, who cares. It's
week seven, it's week nine, it doesn't really matter. But
if you insist on an MVP discussion, only if you insist,
(04:34):
you start with Josh Allen. He's your new leader because
he beat Patrick Mahomes and the alleged best team in
the league. I didn't have them as the best, but
virtually everyone else did a lot of the power rankings
from the gamblers and had the Chiefs as the number
one team. They were favored in the spot. And so
for Alan to absolutely carve up this Bagnolo defense, I
(04:55):
think he's got to be your MVP leader if you
want to talk about that. Now. One interesting set that
I saw, and this goes to an overarching theme that
I think we've been talking about here on the pod
for the last few years. The NFL has been super
pass heavy, right. It's you've got to pass the win.
You have passings more efficient than running. It's just a
(05:16):
smarter move to pass the football than running into the
line scrip. It just is. It's that's just how the
NFL has become it's a passing league. So this season,
as defenses have adjusted to the passing league, Hey, we're
taking away the big play, nothing over the top. We
double dog dare you to go eleven plays down the
field without committing penalties that turnover. We're betting you're gonna
(05:39):
mess up, so we're gonna keep everything in front of us.
So the smart teams have pivoted and gone heavier. They
are now passing out of two and three tight end
sets way more than they used to. Remember McVeigh in
the London game against the Jags, McVeigh went with like
three tight end sets almost all the time. He never
(06:00):
has done that in his career. The Jags were totally
caught off guard and they were able to pass, to
do whatever they want run pass, And yesterday somebody pulled
the numbers. The Bills in you know, the Alan versus
Mahomes battles usually are passing more than they run, sixty
two percent to thirty eight percent. They completely changed that yesterday,
(06:22):
going fifty two percent run, forty eight percent pass. So
they had thirty five rushes twenty six pass attempts. So
they're lining up heavy and passing out of it sometimes,
but also they're just running the ball down your throat,
and with the soft boxes and the two deep safeties
to keep everything in front of you, there's a lot
(06:44):
of room to run. Cook had a good I didn't
think he was particularly great. Alan of course had his
clutch carries. But if you looked around the league Sunday,
that was a big trend. We'll talk about the Packers
losing to the Panthers. You can imagine what happened in
that game, and I'll tell you right now. Bryce Young
threw for under one hundred and fifteen yards, Okay, And
you look around some of these other big games and
(07:04):
it's like, oh, really the Bears rushed. Wait, the Bear's
go forty seven points, but rush for one hundred and
seventy five yards. It's like, Wow. The Colts when they
can't run as they couldn't with Jonathan Taylor, they get smashed.
They have to throw the football and there's you know,
five turnovers from Daniel Jones and company. It is it's
just a really fascinating subplot. Did you see Jared goff
(07:24):
rob no run game? The Vikings choked it out and
all of a sudden, Jared's got Gough has enough dropped
back and passed a lot. He's getting pressured, he's getting rattled,
he's committing turnovers, he's taken sacks. It's a weird league
right now, and you know, betting it is obviously very risky.
I will say I had a pop positive Sunday thanks
(07:45):
to the Seattle blowout Sunday night. Saturday was incredible. I
think it was eight and two in college, just a
banner weekend. Only two and three in the contest, but
the Rams did get home in Survivor. Now next week's Survivor,
we may have to do a whole podcast on it
because it's a really freaking tough slate. But Rob, I'm
just curious your thoughts on Bills taking down the Chiefs
(08:07):
and doing it with the run game. Obviously Allan was
super efficient, but also the overall theme that like, right now,
you want to be able to run the football to
matriculate down the field as opposed to these big chunk
plays which are just not happening.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
When you play the Bengals, you're gonna have chunk plays
down of the field. The worst defense like in the
history of the sport. But overall, it is interesting so
maybe the Raiders, your Raiders were right to draft astro jecty.
They just try to have an offensive line.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
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Speaker 3 (08:41):
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Speaker 4 (08:43):
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But that's how you do it, all right. Now, that
game yesterday between the Bills and the Chiefs was kind
of wild for a number of reasons. You mentioned the
running game. It was the first time all season that
the Chiefs vaunted defense, giving up a running yards rushing
to anybody, and it was James Cooks. And yet to
(09:04):
your point, Josh Allen got the goal line work. So
I could see how that would be frustrating if you're.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
How'd you do in your fantasy?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Oh? I blew everyone out.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
It was great as bad as I was. McCaffrey, right, yes,
A had McCaffrey. Had McCaffrey as bad as I was
last week, I was as good this week.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
So you know, that kind of balanced itself.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Out, but obviously the big story even though Josh Allen
gets to win, and despite having a relatively down season
by his standards, right, one great game.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Against what is perceived to be a great opponent.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
He goes twenty three or twenty six, two seventy three
three total touchdowns and he's.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Suddenly the favorite to winn NFL MVP.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
This despite the fact that you know, Matthew Stafford was
great again. You know, I guess Jonathan Taylor has a
bad game, so he's eliminated completely, right, Like there's been
a it's just a weird the way this MVP race
is going at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if, come,
you know, Christmas time, we're saying, hey, if if Lamar
Jackson finishes stronger last two weeks, what don't watch out
(10:00):
for Lamar Jackson win an MVP again. But it's interesting
to me that Kansas City, who had looked like arguably
the best team in football for the last month or so,
could turn in such a dud of a performance, right
you mentioned it. Patrick Mahomes lowest passing completion rate in
his NFL career, first time ever under fifty percent, but
(10:21):
if you watch the game, it was even worse than that,
right because you mentioned it. He was under pressure a lot,
and it appeared not quite as bad as Super Bowl.
But he looked like, you know, not saying he was
seeing ghosts, but he didn't look comfortable at all. He
looked very skittish back there, like he was seeing ghosts
when the ghosts weren't even there. And in the post game,
(10:42):
I don't remember which defensive player they asked, but they
asked him like, Hey, what was the key to slowing
down past Mahomes that offense? And in his answer, he says,
we wanted to give him the illusion that there were
running lanes for him to escape through, and then we
would close it immediately so he'd be stuck in the
pocket and then things would go haywire from there. And
(11:03):
when I read that quote, I wanted to try to
find the audio or the video. I couldn't find it
on Twitter. But it's like, are we talking about like
Jalen Hurts right now? Are we talking about early career?
Like this is Patrick freaking Mahomes. You mean to tell
me the key to slowing him down is, hey, let
him think he can run but he can't, and let's
make him beat it from the pocket.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
And I was like that that kind of blew my mind.
And then you look at the advanced.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Stats when pressured, Patrick Mahomes was three of sixteen for
sixty one yards and a pick like that is incredible.
And I'm not saying incredibly bad exactly. I'm not saying
the Buffalo Bills have found the magic elixir and that's
the key to beating Batrick Mahomes moving forward, of course not.
But it was illustrative of a bigger problem that Kansas
(11:46):
City has had basically all season, and that is inconsistency.
Like they start off the season bad, back to back losses.
They look ugly in a win against the Giants, they
look great against.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Baltimore, Lamar Jackson gets knocked. They were great, They're gonna
win the game. Anyways.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
They follow that up with a dot of a performance
on primetime against Trevor Lawrence. They bounce back in a
big way against the Detroit Lions, and then they beat
up on the lowly Raiders and the injury depleted Washington Commanders.
So you think, hey, now they got Rashid Rice back,
all their weapons are back. Watch Out, Here Come Homes.
He's the MVP favorite, they're the Super Bowl favorite again,
(12:23):
and then they just get blitz creaged by a Buffalo
Bills team that had looked mediocre coming into this game.
So it's just it's to your point of the podcast,
I don't know who's good right now. Like trying to
predict week to week what team is gonna show up
is a fool's errand and I guarantee you, coming out
of the buy in a huge AFC West clash between
(12:44):
Kansas City and Denver, that.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Kansasy is probably gonna blow doors off of them.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, shoot, Rob, damn it. So I already bet one
game for Week ten, and that is the Thursday night
game Denver against the Raiders, your Raiders. The game is
in Denver, obviously a very tough spot for the Raiders
coming off an overtime game, being on the field, blah
blah blah. I didn't look to see that the Broncos
have the Chiefs after that. So just as we saw
(13:10):
in Green Bay, remember Packers had Aaron Rodgers Carolina and
then next week they got the Eagles in a big,
big game that obviously national TV and teams are prone
to letdowns, and like you said, we've been on this
since side what week three or four? Who? Who the
hell's good in this league? No, everybody's got more than
one loss, I mean, everybody had. The Chiefs is the
best team in the league. So what do you automatically
(13:32):
put Buffalo back there?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Now?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I don't know. I mean, is how dangerous is Baltimore?
Like you said, Lamar is gonna be in the MVP
mix pretty soon. I just I don't know what to do.
I'll tell you right now though, Like Pittsburgh Steelers, they're
not good guys. I don't care what you're telling about
to tell you they're not a good football team. The
Chargers lost Joe alt I'm sure you guys saw that
they're a different team without them. And by the way,
(13:55):
Harball was sacked six times in that game against the
lowly Titans, who didn't have their best defensive lineman in
Jeffy's So, like all around, the league's just absolute craziness.
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Speaker 2 (14:16):
Let's see Rob if we if we were trying to
project who's in the Super Bowl. I don't know. I mean,
the Packers can play up or down to anybody. I'm
sure the Packers will beat the Eagles next week. Right,
let's see here, maybe maybe when the Niners get healthy,
if they ever do. I don't know if you saw
the news, so Bryce Huff missed the game, right, and
(14:40):
their other best rusher boss out Mickel Williams, the guy
that got out of Georgia. Oh no, wait, I think
he's on the Is he on the Falcon?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
No, mikeel mckel Williams is on the forty nine ers
edge rusher and now he's out, uh and probably a
season ender. So I don't exactly know what's gonna happen
with with the Niners. Like, I mean, is Brandon per
what's his name? Brandon? And Yuke Ever gonna come back?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Is King piercill Ever coming back?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Piercel I put him on, ir guys. He's chewing up
space on my freaking fantasy roster. I mean, I just
I don't know if the forty nine ers could ever
get healthy. So if you pressed me, j Mac definitely
need a fantasy uh not a fantasy, I definitely need
a Super Bowl pick out of you right now. I
(15:27):
guess I would go Bill's Eagles. Is that is that
boring predictable?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
No?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I mean what you're banking on is like water leveling
itself out, that the good teams are going to become
good Buffalo Egans all year, that they have an easy schedule,
and you're banking on the Eagles talent that it's going
to figure itself out at some point, even if they
haven't actually looked good throughout the season. If you would
have asked me coming into Sunday who the best team
in football is, I would have said the Detroit Lions,
(15:59):
who looked whole in their loss to JJ McCarthy and
co JK. McCarthy would have played one good quarter in
his NFL career, marched up and down the field, now
obviously aided by turnovers and things of that nature. But
if you watch that game, and I watched a lot
of that one, you saw exactly why teams nowadays the
(16:19):
prototype is get you a guy who can move around
in the pocket. Because Jared Goff, as soon as he
felt a little bit of pressure, was either going down
in a heap or throwing horrible balls. Yeah, and it's like, well,
that's how you have a team that's explosive as Detroit
going against a wounded, you know, quite honestly a mediocre
(16:41):
Minnesota Vikings team and gets smacked at home. And I
would say, Okay, if I'm gonna go in the AFC,
the team that has been the best throughout the season,
not just recently would have been the Indianapolis Colts, and
six turnovers later, I would have looked freaking stupid because
Daniel Jones, even though he's been great throughout most of
this year, looked like the Daniel Jones that we would
(17:01):
have saw on a Sunday night prime time with the
New York Giants, Like, how was this guy even in
the league at this point?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Like that's what he looked like on Sunday He.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Basically yeah, we knew he turned into a pumpkin at
some point. Yeah, so I don't. I mean, are the
Colts good? Like, yeah, if they can run the football,
play indoors, sure they're great. Let's quickly touch on the
quarterback injuries, rob two obviously significant ones. We'll start with C. J. Stroud.
I mean, I was on the Texans that was a
tough loss when you lose CJ. Stroud early to what
(17:32):
looked like one of the nastiest hits. His head hit
the ground so hard. I will be shocked if he
plays this coming week. I mean, he looked so woozy,
he was down for a while. Just a tough, tough
one for the Texans and they were in that until
the end. You know it's but the Houston Texans are
just a rotten football team. I don't think they're going
to the playoffs this year. I think the Jags are better.
(17:54):
The Stroud one hurts, the one of the Jayden Daniels
injury obviously pretty grotesque. Dan Quinn's gonna catch a lot
of heat today for having his quarterback in the game
running for his life all night up thirty eight to seven.
I mean, the Seattle defense was just prowling and drilling people,
and Daniels kind of put his arm down there in
(18:15):
the red zone and it bent backwards. It's pretty gross.
I don't think they showed the replay on TV. They
you probably won't see it, but if you go online
you can see it. It's really nasty. I'm praying that
they were able to just pop it back in elbow
hyper extended. But it may be way worse than that.
And I think we covered this last week. Washington is
not a is not a team. I don't want to
say they quit out there, Rob, but dropping into three
(18:37):
and six, Jayden Daniels hurt, gonna miss time again. I
think they got the Lions this week with Mariota. You know,
it smells like probably a beat down, as the Lions
will want to bounce back and win. But the Stroud
one is pretty bad. Listen, man, these young quarterbacks, we've
got to protect them. And I know there was no
(18:58):
flag and on the Stroud hit, and I don't know
if you saw the video. Rob. The coach, Jamiico Ryans
is upset and all these jibbroni's online are like, oh
he's slid, he's fair game. Just lay off the freaking quarterbacks, guys.
I mean, you can't put Washington in primetime without Daniels.
You can't put Houston in primetime with Davis Mills as
(19:19):
a starter. You just can't do that. And you start
losing these quarterbacks and it's like, just you know, these
teams are unwatchable. I'm sorry, that's how it is. You've
got to protect these guys. And you know, I don't know, Rob,
They're both well. Stroud is in year three, Daniels is
in year two, but we both saw similar situations. Amazing
(19:40):
rookie year and then come back to earth a little
bit the next year and health is becoming an issue.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Yeah, And obviously I know you didn't say this or suggested,
but just for anyone who's listening, we're not comparing the CJ.
Stroud injury and the Jayden Daniels injury. Right, Jayden Daniels
was a football play. It just was freaky and it
was unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Well, should he have been in the game.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
No, that's the bigger question. That's the bigger question. He
should have been out of the game, of course. And
to be quite honest with you, when when I was
watching that game and in the Lakers records, I had
to watch Ja Laavia Cook, right, but what I saw
at halftime that it was a blowout. Because I'm watching
the game, right, of course, and I see the stat
that at halftime Sam Donald was sixteen or sixteen, two
(20:20):
eighty two, four touchdowns then a perfect one fifty eight
passer rating. I'm like, well, let's put that game now
on my phone and let's put the Lakers on the
big TV, like that's what we'll do. And so I'm
only looking glancing back and forth at the Washington Seattle game,
and it's like, well it's getting out of Hampston.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Is Jim Damsel in there? Nah?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
No, I just go back at Lakers and it's like, anyway,
is he still in there? Like he's still really they're
still playing him. And then of course you see that
fluke nasty injuries. To your point, hopefully it's as simple
as pop it back in air casting.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Probably not, I'm just I'm not sure it's not.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
But that you know, that's what you're hoping because of
how bad the instant replay was. But it's just like,
I don't know what the NFL can do more than
what they are do to protect these quarterbacks, especially when
so many of them, like Patrick Mahomes, like Josh Allen,
like Lamar Jackson, like the best guys Justin Herbert, live
(21:12):
on this edge where if you think they're gonna slide,
they'll run you over. If you think they're gonna go
out of bounds, they're dip their shoulder to get another
three or four yards and unless you police that out
of it completely, where you say quarterbacks cannot run or
if you two haven't touched them past the tackle box
or out past the line of scrimmage, then he's down. Like,
(21:34):
I don't know what you can do realistically to prevent
these kind of injuries.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So you and I like the NFL, well, we love it,
you know, of course, Santa See, we do gambling. Okay,
here's the dirty little secret. Just one game usually angry. Okay.
These are the scores of the most recent Island games, right,
so Sunday night, Monday night, Thursday night, London. This was
blowout Seattle, blowout City Ravens waxed the Dolphin. On Thursday,
(22:01):
Chiefs beat Marcus Mariotto buy a million. On Monday, Packers
come back to beat the Steelers, and again it was
interesting for a half, maybe three quarters. They still one
by ten. Chargers stomp out Carson Wentz by twenty five.
The Texans Seahawks game was just total trash. That one Monday,
and I think it was Monday night. There was Lions
Bucks which was awful. Monday night Niners beat the Falcons
(22:23):
in a really slow, boring Sunday night game. Rams In
their international visit versus the Jags, Like, we can't get
good primetime games, and Rob, that's the thing. Sunday thrilling,
six games happening, bears this that it's fun. And then
you go an Island game and you're like, shit, can
I turn on Wemby versus the Suns here? Where's the
(22:45):
Laker game? It's just the NF And I get it
the ratings, you know, I get I'm not arguing against
the NFL. We love it. But the reality is a
lot of these games, Rob just not competitive. I mean,
if this injury to Daniels is serious, I'm looking at
their schedule. I mean, they had they were supposed to
have a big time game against the Lions next week
on Fox Sunday. Then they had the I don't know
(23:07):
where's this game Madrid somewhere Lion against the Dolphins November sixteenth.
I just see six thirty am. Then they had the
Broncos on Sunday and Night Football. Good. That's got to
get flexed out, right. If Jayden Daniels isn't there against Bronix, sure, yeah,
I just it's in Christmas Day Cowboys Washington. So Marcus
(23:29):
Mariotta on Christmas Day, like Geese, just cancel Christmas. Any
other NFL stuff we missed, rob that is worthy of
discussion before we go to the World Series.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Real quick, I mean just quickly.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
If you didn't get to watch Bears Bengals, you know,
apologies to you, because I will go on record.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
The football itself was not great. Okay.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
It was a defense, defense optional game. It reminded me
of the old Big twelve when it was Baker Mayfield
was just Patrick Mahomes and each guy through for seven
hundred yards. Like it was one of those kind of
games where nobody could tackle. Coverage was bad, the defensive
play calls were horrible. But if you like offense and
you like drama, this was the game of the century
(24:14):
because again, the football wasn't good, but the cinema was incredible.
Joe Flacco does everything he can to march his team back.
Should have been a three touchdown game when he threw
a pick at the goal line and they somehow ruled
the defender down by contact, which gave the Bengals, you know,
just a little bit of life. They forced it three
and out to get the ball back touchdown, they go
(24:36):
for the on side kick, which never gets conforted evermore
because of the way.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
That the rules are.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
They recovered the on side kick, they've marched right down.
They score another touchdown, and because they had gone for
two in the previous score, they're up by one with
under a minute left. He said, hey, Cincinnati, all you
gotta do is hold them, hold them one stop. You're
gonna get one stop at all in this game. Now's
the time to get it. Of course they don't do.
They not give up like a winning field goal. They
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give up like a fifty yard touchdown as a guy
running an untouched for the last forty And it was
so bad that after the game. And these are veteran players,
like Jamar Chase is a veteran player. He knows what
he can say and not say when the cameras are round.
Chase Brown is a veteran player. He knows what he
can say and not say when the cameras around. I
think he's actually a captain on there, both of them,
one of them is, at least Jamar Chase is caught
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on the caught on cameras.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
And we can't get one fucking stop, Chase. Chase Brown
says to reporters.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Like after they had been questioning him on what In
the same asage, if you can watch the video, he says,
you know, the key is we're not going to turn
on each other because the defense was carrying us there
in the beginning of the season, you know, and now
the offense is doing much better now here in the
last couple of weeks. And in the same course of
the answer, well, how about you guys in the fucking game,
why couldn't you guys do that? Like they was so
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bad and it was so much drama, both on the
field and off the field that if you didn't get
to catch the Navid I feel sorry for you.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I have a past. All this stat floating around social media.
Then the last three years, teams that score thirty eight
points eighty seven, six and two. That's for everyone except
the Bengals. The Bengals are one and four. That's right,
So like, if you score thirty eight, you should automatically
get the dub. The Bengals are one and four because
the defense is just abhorrent. It'll be interesting, like we'll
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do some trade stuff, I'm sure this week, but like
after that, do they just say, you know what, ef it,
We're done. Let's just trade Hendrickson, get what we can.
We don't need this offseason drama. I think some teams
are going to be looking at cornerbacks, defense, pass rushers.
It should be a busy week. I know we always
say that it never really is.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
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Speaker 2 (26:52):
All right, let's go to the World Series, because you
know we don't do a ton on baseball. I readily
admit that I'm a casual baseball fan. And if you say, hey,
J Mack, I got Dodgers tickets, do you want to go? Yeah,
sure I'll go. We go with the family. It's fun.
I'm not like watching game ninety seven of the season.
I'm not tuned in. I don't know what's going on
with middle relief. Then when the playoffs come around, yeah,
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I'll watch closer. Try to go to a game. I
definitely have the game on. This World Series was unbelievable,
But I don't even know what the best World Series
of my lifetime? Any any that the Yankees won? But
did Dodgers go back to Toronto down three to two.
They gotta throw Yama Monroo. He's lights out again. You
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go to game seven still you're like, oh, we got Otani,
were in great shape. And then Otani gives up the
three run homer to bishit and it's like, oh, Dodgers
are playing catch up the whole game. It's just not
really happening. They keep clawing back, and then this guy Rojas,
who I don't even really know, I'm not familiar with
his game, he goes yard like the most unlikely hitter.
The whole all we were talking about heading into the
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ninth thinning is yeah, so Tani gets to bat, yes,
oh my gosh, we have a chest and Rojas comes
up and he's like pop Hi game, Like wow, and
then to win it in extra innings and Yamamoto came
in the day after pitching ninety six pitches, seals the deal,
gets a third win, gets the MVP. It was thrilling.
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And now obviously I was at a Halloween party, you know,
with the wife or celebrating. Everybody's going crazy. It's awesome.
And then you know, I'm largely unaware of what's going
on on social media outside of the games. I don't
know if that's because the algorithm or what. But Rob
tells me, you know, a lot of people are pissed
off that this is bad for baseball, and I'm like, huh,
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how is this bad for him? I mean, like, you know,
in the NBA, dynasties are amazing for the sport. In
the NFL, the Chiefs dynasty, the Patriots dodynasty, great for
the sport. And it's like, why would the Dodgers dynasty
be bad?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Well, you know, there's no salary caps, so they spend
the most money and get all the best players. If
you don't like that, then why blame the Dodgers? Why
not change the rules? Well, that's not happening, right, They're
not gonna all of a sudden, but in a salary cap. Okay, Well,
is it unfair that Otani hit the market after leaving
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the Angels and landed with the Dodgers? What's unfair about that?
Is it unfair that Yamamotor decided he was coming to
the US and the Dodgers were like, okay, we'll give
you three hundred and twenty five million dollars. People laughed
at the Dodgers for that. Oh, this guy's never pitched
in the BIGS. Oh that's insane. I mean, well, I
don't see what he did in the World Series. He
definitely worth every penny. So again, maybe it's just that
(29:40):
I'm unaware, Rob, but I found the Dodgers. Now. Listen,
I'm out here in LA. It's exciting. You know, everybody's
into the Dodgers. I thought it was exciting. I don't
think it's bad at all. If anything, I'm where I
think the Dodgers need to go out this offseason and
get some more bats. I mean, they really couldn't deliver
in the postseason, and that's I guess It's good and
a further piss off Major League Baseball. Huh.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
J Back to your point, the Dodgers batted two oh
three in the World Series, the first mark by a
champion since nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Over the last two seasons which the Daughters have the
Dodgers have went back to back World Series championships, they
have batted a combined two oh four in the World Series. Okay,
so this is not some juggernaut team. This is not
Oh my gosh, can you imagine anybody else other than
these guys winning it? No, what they have obviously, they
have several great players, but what they have more than
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anything else, is they have guys who have come up
big in the biggest moments. And that's all you can
really ask for in the sport of baseball, Because baseball,
especially in the postseason, how many times have you said
coming in like, oh, well, this team is loaded, they
should win, and you know, the number seven hitter on
the other team comes up with a three one blast
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out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah, Like, that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
The Dodgers win this World Series trailing by one down
to their last two outs, and a guy who hadn't
hit a home run in over a month and a half,
who wasn't even playing in the series until a game
and a half ago, hits the game time home run
that flips it right. The Dodgers, who again had been
struggling batting the entire World Series, have one guy in
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one game, Shoe Aotani, accounts for nine total bases or
reaches base nine times, walk five times, goes four to
four to two doubles, two home runs. Like one guy
flipped that whole thing. Yeah, Yamamoto, I believe historically, I
think it's only like six guys have won at least
three road games in the World Series. Like three pitchers
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or six pitchers have won at least three road games.
He did three has three wins in one World Series, right, Like,
I don't understand how anybody can look at the Dodgers.
And I'm not saying this I live in LA because
my whole family Dodger fans. I'm saying, as I'm saying
as an objective sports fan, what they do is something
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that every team should aspire to be. You should be
pissed off right now. If you're a Detroit Tigers fan
and we got reports saying, hey, it's a good chance
they're gonna trade schoobl who might be the best pitcher
in baseball, because they don't want to pay him the
money he's looking for.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Like, you should be pissed off with that.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You should be pissed off who's in the mix for him?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
By the way, everybody anybody who has money. That's all
the elites, the coastal elites, and the Blue Jays.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
So what the Mets, the Yankees, right, blue Jays, probably
the Red Sox.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
If it was as simple as who has the biggest payroll,
then why haven't the Yankees won in thirty years? Why
have the Mets haven't won the last five Because they've
been spending money like it's going out of style. The Dodgers,
unlike a lot of these other teams. Yes, they have
big paychecks and big wallets, big bank accounts. What they
also have is a great farm system. What they also
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have is they find discarded guys like a Max Muncy,
like a Tommy Edmin from other teams that just fit
what they're trying to do. They're able to tap in
and take risks that other teams necessarily aren't gonna take,
like some of the trades that they made as started
this whole run a couple of years ago, Like they
took on a terrible David Price contract so they can
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get some better players, right, They, to your point, signed
Yamamoto three hundred and twenty five million, had never pitched
in a big league game and never likes.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Basically side unseen. Right.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, and you had current pitchers at the time. I
think Dallas Braden was one of them. It's like, how
the hell are you gonna do that. That's a terrible decision.
That's just throwing money away. Like I haven't we learned anything.
It's like, no, they get the right guys at the
right time, and and more importantly, they get these guys
who seem to have a grittiness that most superstars just
do not have. Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts, shoe A Otani
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Yamamoto saying I'm gonna give you ninety plus pitches the
night before, then I'm gonna come and give you another
thirty to close the game.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Like that, let me ask Rob, Like, here's the thing.
So the Dodgers went out and got I'm sorry. The
Angels went out and got Otani, right yep. And they
couldn't really spend money to get anyone else. Well, I mean,
I guess technically you could, but I guess the owner
was like, hey, it's not profitable if I spend.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
And we also spent on the wrong guys before that,
right Hams and Albert Pooholes.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So the Dodgers, you're right, have more wiggle room for
swing and miss when you're spending a ton of money.
The Angels don't. The Mets were like, basically, what's that team?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Like North Carolina's Belichick, Hey, let's just go hit the portal.
Let's get everybody, let's spend all the money and they
just whip it together and it didn't work. But I
just I do wonder if do you think the rest
of the owners around the league would be upset enough that, hey, man,
we just can't hang. Let's all vote to have a
salary captay. Is there any chance of that happening?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Absolutely? You think that so freaking lotly?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Yes, because all of these guys, I mean, you know
this working in sports, the teams that are actually interested
in winning is maybe like a third in any league,
and then more than half if not the rest of
the league. It's just like, hey, how do we make money?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
We make money?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
How do we stay profitable? How do we stay in
the black.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
And there's been reports even before the season what the
Dodgers are doing is unfair from the Rockies manager, from
the Yankees, this is unfair what they're doing, the way
they're spending this money. Like, are you kidding me, Brian Cashman,
you're gonna say that the yank the Dodgers are spending
too much money when the Yankees historically have wanted in
the highest spinning teams ever. And if you watch this
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past World Series, Yes, the Dodgers won, but you cannot
say with a straight face that the Blue Jays did
not look like the better team throughout the series.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, they were right there.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
They had them dead to rights and just couldn't close
the door. The Blue Jays in this World Series had
twenty two more hits, scored eight more runs, and batted
over sixty points higher as a team and still lost.
So if the blue Jays.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Win, are the Dodgers still baff for baseball?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Could they just freaking lost?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, it's then narrative switched a goll goofy. Let me
ask you this. So I don't know enough about the
Blue Jays. So was this just an ultra charmed year
and they were that close they could just come back
and do it again, or two years ago were they
just not anywhere close to this? And this was just
kind of sort of I don't want to use the
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word lucky. But everything went their way. I mean, the
guy who set the record for major League hits at
a postseason, I'd never heard of him in my life.
I mean, he just every time he came in to play,
he was like, oh he was like the eighth or nine,
ten or do you know what I'm talking about Clement.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes, well j Mack.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Just to give you some context, the Toronto Blue Jays
had the fifth highest payroll in baseball, So they're not
just some plucky team out of nowhere. That kind of
is someth The difference that they spent money exactly is
that Vlad was awesome and he and he just got
rewarded with the found mind of other contract. But he
played like a five hundred million dollar guy we should play. Yeah,
George Springer finally rounded in the form after a couple
of years with the team, like he finally looked like
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the George Springer from Houston.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
He's starting to break down though, It sounded like right.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Yeah, I mean he got hurt there at the end.
But they have a lot of really good players, Like
they may not have the star power where like the
household names because the Dodgers are the Dodgers. But you
cannot say, if you know anything about baseball that the
Blue Jays are just happy to be there. They're just
a lucky team.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Like, no, they are a really really.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Good baseball team and they should have won the World Series.
It just didn't work out for them.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Would you say that the correct way to assess the
salary cap situation is it doesn't guarantee you victory, obviously,
but the more you spend, the better chance you have
of making in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
The more you spend should theoretically give you a better
chance to make the playoffs. The problem is, if you
look historically since two thousand and one, the team would
the biggest payroll has only.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Run it four times. If it was just about spending, then.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
No, but I would, I would. I think a better
analysis would be And you know what, I'll dig into
chat GPT on this this week. Sure so among so
there's thirty teams in baseball, right, yes, among the bottom
ten spenders for the last decade, how many have made
the playoffs versus the top ten spenders the last ten years?
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How many have made the playoffs? I would guess it's
probably two to one, maybe three to one, That is
just a guess. But like you know, I know some
of these teams at the bottom. Sure you'll have a
breakthrough and maybe catch lightning in a bottle and get through, right,
wasn't I forget? Was it the Tigers? I mean?
Speaker 4 (38:43):
I mean, like you had the Rays make the World Series?
A couple of raised the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Like you get these one offs.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
The Diamondbacks, I think last year or two years ago,
made a run at the World Series. They didn't win it,
but yeah, I mean, like, the thing is is that
what you see with a lot of these teams, And
it goes back to the other conversation is the worst teams,
like the team that don't spend anything. If you look
usually at their roster, it's loaded with these young rookie
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contract you know, they were great in the minors and
they're just they're really ascending, and then when it's time
to pay them, well suddenly they don't.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
They can't afford it.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Yeah, like, well you absolutely can. You're just choosing not
to because you have all these guys in the building.
Like Moneyball, if you watch that move, everyone loves the
movie with a rap pit, the focus is on like Hadiberg,
and its focus is on David Justice and the like
these other players.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Anybody who knows anything about baseball.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Is like, well, they also had like three of the
best pictures in the league at that point, who were
all young guys. And we don't want to talk about
that part because that.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Vez like Veto and Molder like that doesn't work with
the narrative.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
The narrative was, well, we can't afford anybody, so our
team must be terrible. It's like, no, you had great pictures,
just eventually when it was time to pay them, you
were like, nah, not fan, can't do that.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I don't have any play on Monday Night football. Kyler
Murray's out. It feels like a soft benching. We may
have to talk talk about that this week. Jacoby Bresett
against DAK I got nothing on the game. I have
nobody in fantasy. I just don't need Trey McBride and
Aubrey to go off. I'm facing them. But I'm real
curious how much Lakers have you ingested? Now World Series
is over, you got a lot more time to take
(40:15):
in the Dalton connect, Jake la Ravia. I mean, the
Lakers can almost drought out an all white lineup, you know,
led by Luca. Now Luca's back from injury.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
They're the real exciting Whites.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I'll just say there's a lot of fun stuff happening
in the league right now. I mean, again, we don't
have time to get into it. But like the Indiana
Pacers have fallen off a cliff without Haliburton and Miles
Turner and company. Lakers look plucky even without Lebron. Obviously,
Wemby and Company look really, really, really good. There's just
so much happening in the league. Like there's guys coming
(40:49):
out of nowhere doing incredible things. Had you ever heard
of Ryan Rollins.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I've heard of him, but I wasn't familiar with his game.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
But I know, oh, me look like an All star
out there. There's so many The league is amazing and
and you know we'll start to get into it more. Also,
college basketball tips this week. I got to figure out
how to like start to dig into those teams. You
guys know, I love me some college basketball. But so yeah,
no play on Monday night football. Did bet the Thursday
game Denver against the Raiders, already regretting it because you know,
(41:19):
this is what I do. I bet games and then
I think about it and I'm like, oh, I get
in my own head. Anyways, So yeah, back tomorrow, we'll
probably talk some hoops a little Cowboy. Now. The Cowboys
got to win this game tonight against the Cardinals, Like
I can't see them losing. Yeah, they should be fine.
I would expect fireworks if you asked me, Jake, I
got fifty bucks, you know, for for my birthday. Who
(41:42):
should I put it on? I would just say bet
the over. I think we'll see a lot of points
back tomorrow
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up? Straight Fire? I am HiT's me Jason McIntyre,
Straight baw Yer for Monday, November, the third Halloween is
in the rearview mirror. Hope everybody had a safe, fun,
awesome Halloween weekend. I've eaten a lot of my kids candy, uh,
to the point that like I basically hand picked all
the good stuff. It was a phenomenal weekend just all around,
(00:35):
except for the time change. I hate that. I cannot
stand it. Hit some Halloween parties watched I think the
greatest World Series Game seven of my life. I'm sure
there have been other ones that were comparable, but I
certainly don't remember them. This one was riveting. We'll talk
about it at length. Obviously, we'll do NFL first. We're
not gonna get into the college football stuff. I know
(00:55):
another coach got fired. I think it was the guy
at Auburn. He got canned. They're just everybody in college football.
It's like, hey, you're not delivering. Get the hell out
of dodge. But we'll start with the NFL. And obviously
we're going to go to the Game of this Century
as it usually is called Buffalo twenty eight, KC twenty one.
(01:15):
I don't know why everybody loved Kansas City here, all
the sharp betters were all over all you got to
take Kansas Study best team in the league on the
herd this past week, I said, cowhard, I'm so confident
in Buffalo. If the Chiefs win, I will not say
a negative word about them again this regular season. And
then the Bills won, and the Bills handled it. This
was not particularly close. Guys. Listen, I'm not going to
(01:39):
be out here bashing Patrick Mahomes. He's obviously a great
quarterback that's undeniable. But Patrick Mahomes just had the worst
game of his career against the defense that's been kind
of pushed around by a lot of teams in this league.
I mean, we saw Drake may have his way with
the Buffalo Bills defense less than a month ago. We
(02:00):
saw Michael Pennox carve up the Buffalo Bill's defense. Okay,
I mean Lamar Jackson. In the opening, when everybody was
healthy up and down the field, they scored forty points.
Patrick Mahomes, I think it was like, with six minutes up,
they were still stuck on thirteen points. Mahomes fifteen of
thirty four. Maybe the stat of Sunday, the first time
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in his career he's had under fifty percent completions. It
was staggering. I'm not saying nobody's saying Mahomes is a
terrible quarterback. It's okay to say, man Patrick Mahomes had
the worst game of his career in a weirdly big spot.
And then you know, that's when the cheese fans get
all worked up and it said, well, wait a minute,
we didn't have but check. Oh, it's always somebody's missing. Well,
(02:46):
you know, let me see Rashe Rice was there. Yeah,
he didn't do much for my fantasy team, but Race
Rice did play. Let me see Hollywood Brown. Yeah he played.
He played, Xavier Worthy, he he showed up yep, yep.
Three catches on seven targets. Travis Kelsey, yes he played.
Oh so, basically they had everyone except Isaiah Pacheco. Now,
the offensive line, which hasn't been great, was missing Simmons again,
(03:08):
the young rookie left tackle, and then Trey Smith sat out,
and I think someone else got hurt, so they got
dinged up. They sacked Mahomes three times. It felt like
they hit him a ton I'm seeing fifteen in the
ESPN box spoor score. Bosa and Russo dominated the edges.
It wasn't quite like Mahomes struggling in the Super Bowl
against Tampa or in the Super Bowl against the Eagles,
(03:30):
where he was literally on his back every play. But
Mahomes was clearly flustered and rattled in office spot and
wasn't the same Mahomes magic outside of you know, a
fourth and seventeen completion. Fun stats for those who care
for this mighty Kansas City defense, which everybody thought was
good because they smoked Rob G's raiders right and they
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shut down Marcus Mariota. Last week, the Bills went seven
for twelve on third down. You know, math majors out there,
that's pretty damn good. Above fifty percent, three for three
in the red zone. Chiefs had not allowed a one
hundred yard rusher in twenty seven games. James Cook, who
I was upset did not get carries inside the five
for my fantasy team, did have one hundred and fourteen
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yards on the ground, and Josh Allen twenty three of
twenty six. Just listen, I'm not doing the MVP thing.
I'm not, you know, at Fox. They always are like, oh, well,
what about Baker Rayfield for the VP, let's talk about that,
or who's your VP leader? I'm like, who cares. It's
week seven, it's week nine, it doesn't really matter. But
if you insist on an MVP discussion, only if you insist,
(04:34):
you start with Josh Allen. He's your new leader because
he beat Patrick Mahomes and the alleged best team in
the league. I didn't have them as the best, but
virtually everyone else did a lot of the power rankings
from the gamblers and had the Chiefs as the number
one team. They were favored in the spot. And so
for Alan to absolutely carve up this Bagnolo defense, I
(04:55):
think he's got to be your MVP leader if you
want to talk about that. Now. One interesting set that
I saw, and this goes to an overarching theme that
I think we've been talking about here on the pod
for the last few years. The NFL has been super
pass heavy, right. It's you've got to pass the win.
You have passings more efficient than running. It's just a
(05:16):
smarter move to pass the football than running into the
line scrip. It just is. It's that's just how the
NFL has become it's a passing league. So this season,
as defenses have adjusted to the passing league, Hey, we're
taking away the big play, nothing over the top. We
double dog dare you to go eleven plays down the
field without committing penalties that turnover. We're betting you're gonna
(05:39):
mess up, so we're gonna keep everything in front of us.
So the smart teams have pivoted and gone heavier. They
are now passing out of two and three tight end
sets way more than they used to. Remember McVeigh in
the London game against the Jags, McVeigh went with like
three tight end sets almost all the time. He never
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has done that in his career. The Jags were totally
caught off guard and they were able to pass, to
do whatever they want run pass, And yesterday somebody pulled
the numbers. The Bills in you know, the Alan versus
Mahomes battles usually are passing more than they run, sixty
two percent to thirty eight percent. They completely changed that yesterday,
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going fifty two percent run, forty eight percent pass. So
they had thirty five rushes twenty six pass attempts. So
they're lining up heavy and passing out of it sometimes,
but also they're just running the ball down your throat,
and with the soft boxes and the two deep safeties
to keep everything in front of you, there's a lot
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of room to run. Cook had a good I didn't
think he was particularly great. Alan of course had his
clutch carries. But if you looked around the league Sunday,
that was a big trend. We'll talk about the Packers
losing to the Panthers. You can imagine what happened in
that game, and I'll tell you right now. Bryce Young
threw for under one hundred and fifteen yards, Okay, And
you look around some of these other big games and
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it's like, oh, really the Bears rushed. Wait, the Bear's
go forty seven points, but rush for one hundred and
seventy five yards. It's like, Wow. The Colts when they
can't run as they couldn't with Jonathan Taylor, they get smashed.
They have to throw the football and there's you know,
five turnovers from Daniel Jones and company. It is it's
just a really fascinating subplot. Did you see Jared goff
(07:24):
rob no run game? The Vikings choked it out and
all of a sudden, Jared's got Gough has enough dropped
back and passed a lot. He's getting pressured, he's getting rattled,
he's committing turnovers, he's taken sacks. It's a weird league
right now, and you know, betting it is obviously very risky.
I will say I had a pop positive Sunday thanks
(07:45):
to the Seattle blowout Sunday night. Saturday was incredible. I
think it was eight and two in college, just a
banner weekend. Only two and three in the contest, but
the Rams did get home in Survivor. Now next week's Survivor,
we may have to do a whole podcast on it
because it's a really freaking tough slate. But Rob, I'm
just curious your thoughts on Bills taking down the Chiefs
(08:07):
and doing it with the run game. Obviously Allan was
super efficient, but also the overall theme that like, right now,
you want to be able to run the football to
matriculate down the field as opposed to these big chunk
plays which are just not happening.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
When you play the Bengals, you're gonna have chunk plays
down of the field. The worst defense like in the
history of the sport. But overall, it is interesting so
maybe the Raiders, your Raiders were right to draft astro jecty.
They just try to have an offensive line.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
No, no, no, and quick aside America. If you want
to know how you can afford to own a La
Liga Nakoxa soccer, it's because you go eight and two
ben college football, all right.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
That's how you do it. That's how you snack up
the chips.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
So you can be a part owner and be on
uh with a Hulu document whatever document you guys run.
But that's how you do it, all right. Now, that
game yesterday between the Bills and the Chiefs was kind
of wild for a number of reasons. You mentioned the
running game. It was the first time all season that
the Chiefs vaunted defense, giving up a running yards rushing
to anybody, and it was James Cooks. And yet to
(09:04):
your point, Josh Allen got the goal line work. So
I could see how that would be frustrating if you're.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
How'd you do in your fantasy?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Oh? I blew everyone out.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
It was great as bad as I was. McCaffrey, right, yes,
A had McCaffrey. Had McCaffrey as bad as I was
last week, I was as good this week.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
So you know, that kind of balanced itself.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Out, but obviously the big story even though Josh Allen
gets to win, and despite having a relatively down season
by his standards, right, one great game.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Against what is perceived to be a great opponent.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
He goes twenty three or twenty six, two seventy three
three total touchdowns and he's.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Suddenly the favorite to winn NFL MVP.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
This despite the fact that you know, Matthew Stafford was
great again. You know, I guess Jonathan Taylor has a
bad game, so he's eliminated completely, right, Like there's been
a it's just a weird the way this MVP race
is going at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if, come,
you know, Christmas time, we're saying, hey, if if Lamar
Jackson finishes stronger last two weeks, what don't watch out
(10:00):
for Lamar Jackson win an MVP again. But it's interesting
to me that Kansas City, who had looked like arguably
the best team in football for the last month or so,
could turn in such a dud of a performance, right
you mentioned it. Patrick Mahomes lowest passing completion rate in
his NFL career, first time ever under fifty percent, but
(10:21):
if you watch the game, it was even worse than that,
right because you mentioned it. He was under pressure a lot,
and it appeared not quite as bad as Super Bowl.
But he looked like, you know, not saying he was
seeing ghosts, but he didn't look comfortable at all. He
looked very skittish back there, like he was seeing ghosts
when the ghosts weren't even there. And in the post game,
(10:42):
I don't remember which defensive player they asked, but they
asked him like, Hey, what was the key to slowing
down past Mahomes that offense? And in his answer, he says,
we wanted to give him the illusion that there were
running lanes for him to escape through, and then we
would close it immediately so he'd be stuck in the
pocket and then things would go haywire from there. And
(11:03):
when I read that quote, I wanted to try to
find the audio or the video. I couldn't find it
on Twitter. But it's like, are we talking about like
Jalen Hurts right now? Are we talking about early career?
Like this is Patrick freaking Mahomes. You mean to tell
me the key to slowing him down is, hey, let
him think he can run but he can't, and let's
make him beat it from the pocket.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
And I was like that that kind of blew my mind.
And then you look at the advanced.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Stats when pressured, Patrick Mahomes was three of sixteen for
sixty one yards and a pick like that is incredible.
And I'm not saying incredibly bad exactly. I'm not saying
the Buffalo Bills have found the magic elixir and that's
the key to beating Batrick Mahomes moving forward, of course not.
But it was illustrative of a bigger problem that Kansas
(11:46):
City has had basically all season, and that is inconsistency.
Like they start off the season bad, back to back losses.
They look ugly in a win against the Giants, they
look great against.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Baltimore, Lamar Jackson gets knocked. They were great, They're gonna
win the game. Anyways.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
They follow that up with a dot of a performance
on primetime against Trevor Lawrence. They bounce back in a
big way against the Detroit Lions, and then they beat
up on the lowly Raiders and the injury depleted Washington Commanders.
So you think, hey, now they got Rashid Rice back,
all their weapons are back. Watch Out, Here Come Homes.
He's the MVP favorite, they're the Super Bowl favorite again,
(12:23):
and then they just get blitz creaged by a Buffalo
Bills team that had looked mediocre coming into this game.
So it's just it's to your point of the podcast,
I don't know who's good right now. Like trying to
predict week to week what team is gonna show up
is a fool's errand and I guarantee you, coming out
of the buy in a huge AFC West clash between
(12:44):
Kansas City and Denver, that.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Kansasy is probably gonna blow doors off of them.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, shoot, Rob, damn it. So I already bet one
game for Week ten, and that is the Thursday night
game Denver against the Raiders, your Raiders. The game is
in Denver, obviously a very tough spot for the Raiders
coming off an overtime game, being on the field, blah
blah blah. I didn't look to see that the Broncos
have the Chiefs after that. So just as we saw
(13:10):
in Green Bay, remember Packers had Aaron Rodgers Carolina and
then next week they got the Eagles in a big,
big game that obviously national TV and teams are prone
to letdowns, and like you said, we've been on this
since side what week three or four? Who? Who the
hell's good in this league? No, everybody's got more than
one loss, I mean, everybody had. The Chiefs is the
best team in the league. So what do you automatically
(13:32):
put Buffalo back there?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Now?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I don't know. I mean, is how dangerous is Baltimore?
Like you said, Lamar is gonna be in the MVP
mix pretty soon. I just I don't know what to do.
I'll tell you right now though, Like Pittsburgh Steelers, they're
not good guys. I don't care what you're telling about
to tell you they're not a good football team. The
Chargers lost Joe alt I'm sure you guys saw that
they're a different team without them. And by the way,
(13:55):
Harball was sacked six times in that game against the
lowly Titans, who didn't have their best defensive lineman in
Jeffy's So, like all around, the league's just absolute craziness.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
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Speaker 2 (14:16):
Let's see Rob if we if we were trying to
project who's in the Super Bowl. I don't know. I mean,
the Packers can play up or down to anybody. I'm
sure the Packers will beat the Eagles next week. Right,
let's see here, maybe maybe when the Niners get healthy,
if they ever do. I don't know if you saw
the news, so Bryce Huff missed the game, right, and
(14:40):
their other best rusher boss out Mickel Williams, the guy
that got out of Georgia. Oh no, wait, I think
he's on the Is he on the Falcon?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
No, mikeel mckel Williams is on the forty nine ers
edge rusher and now he's out, uh and probably a
season ender. So I don't exactly know what's gonna happen
with with the Niners. Like, I mean, is Brandon per
what's his name? Brandon? And Yuke Ever gonna come back?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Is King piercill Ever coming back?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Piercel I put him on, ir guys. He's chewing up
space on my freaking fantasy roster. I mean, I just
I don't know if the forty nine ers could ever
get healthy. So if you pressed me, j Mac definitely
need a fantasy uh not a fantasy, I definitely need
a Super Bowl pick out of you right now. I
(15:27):
guess I would go Bill's Eagles. Is that is that
boring predictable?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
No?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I mean what you're banking on is like water leveling
itself out, that the good teams are going to become
good Buffalo Egans all year, that they have an easy schedule,
and you're banking on the Eagles talent that it's going
to figure itself out at some point, even if they
haven't actually looked good throughout the season. If you would
have asked me coming into Sunday who the best team
in football is, I would have said the Detroit Lions,
(15:59):
who looked whole in their loss to JJ McCarthy and
co JK. McCarthy would have played one good quarter in
his NFL career, marched up and down the field, now
obviously aided by turnovers and things of that nature. But
if you watch that game, and I watched a lot
of that one, you saw exactly why teams nowadays the
(16:19):
prototype is get you a guy who can move around
in the pocket. Because Jared Goff, as soon as he
felt a little bit of pressure, was either going down
in a heap or throwing horrible balls. Yeah, and it's like, well,
that's how you have a team that's explosive as Detroit
going against a wounded, you know, quite honestly a mediocre
(16:41):
Minnesota Vikings team and gets smacked at home. And I
would say, Okay, if I'm gonna go in the AFC,
the team that has been the best throughout the season,
not just recently would have been the Indianapolis Colts, and
six turnovers later, I would have looked freaking stupid because
Daniel Jones, even though he's been great throughout most of
this year, looked like the Daniel Jones that we would
(17:01):
have saw on a Sunday night prime time with the
New York Giants, Like, how was this guy even in
the league at this point?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Like that's what he looked like on Sunday He.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Basically yeah, we knew he turned into a pumpkin at
some point. Yeah, so I don't. I mean, are the
Colts good? Like, yeah, if they can run the football,
play indoors, sure they're great. Let's quickly touch on the
quarterback injuries, rob two obviously significant ones. We'll start with C. J. Stroud.
I mean, I was on the Texans that was a
tough loss when you lose CJ. Stroud early to what
(17:32):
looked like one of the nastiest hits. His head hit
the ground so hard. I will be shocked if he
plays this coming week. I mean, he looked so woozy,
he was down for a while. Just a tough, tough
one for the Texans and they were in that until
the end. You know it's but the Houston Texans are
just a rotten football team. I don't think they're going
to the playoffs this year. I think the Jags are better.
(17:54):
The Stroud one hurts, the one of the Jayden Daniels
injury obviously pretty grotesque. Dan Quinn's gonna catch a lot
of heat today for having his quarterback in the game
running for his life all night up thirty eight to seven.
I mean, the Seattle defense was just prowling and drilling people,
and Daniels kind of put his arm down there in
(18:15):
the red zone and it bent backwards. It's pretty gross.
I don't think they showed the replay on TV. They
you probably won't see it, but if you go online
you can see it. It's really nasty. I'm praying that
they were able to just pop it back in elbow
hyper extended. But it may be way worse than that.
And I think we covered this last week. Washington is
not a is not a team. I don't want to
say they quit out there, Rob, but dropping into three
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and six, Jayden Daniels hurt, gonna miss time again. I
think they got the Lions this week with Mariota. You know,
it smells like probably a beat down, as the Lions
will want to bounce back and win. But the Stroud
one is pretty bad. Listen, man, these young quarterbacks, we've
got to protect them. And I know there was no
(18:58):
flag and on the Stroud hit, and I don't know
if you saw the video. Rob. The coach, Jamiico Ryans
is upset and all these jibbroni's online are like, oh
he's slid, he's fair game. Just lay off the freaking quarterbacks, guys.
I mean, you can't put Washington in primetime without Daniels.
You can't put Houston in primetime with Davis Mills as
(19:19):
a starter. You just can't do that. And you start
losing these quarterbacks and it's like, just you know, these
teams are unwatchable. I'm sorry, that's how it is. You've
got to protect these guys. And you know, I don't know, Rob,
They're both well. Stroud is in year three, Daniels is
in year two, but we both saw similar situations. Amazing
(19:40):
rookie year and then come back to earth a little
bit the next year and health is becoming an issue.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Yeah, And obviously I know you didn't say this or suggested,
but just for anyone who's listening, we're not comparing the CJ.
Stroud injury and the Jayden Daniels injury. Right, Jayden Daniels
was a football play. It just was freaky and it
was unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Well, should he have been in the game.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
No, that's the bigger question. That's the bigger question. He
should have been out of the game, of course. And
to be quite honest with you, when when I was
watching that game and in the Lakers records, I had
to watch Ja Laavia Cook, right, but what I saw
at halftime that it was a blowout. Because I'm watching
the game, right, of course, and I see the stat
that at halftime Sam Donald was sixteen or sixteen, two
(20:20):
eighty two, four touchdowns then a perfect one fifty eight
passer rating. I'm like, well, let's put that game now
on my phone and let's put the Lakers on the
big TV, like that's what we'll do. And so I'm
only looking glancing back and forth at the Washington Seattle game,
and it's like, well it's getting out of Hampston.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Is Jim Damsel in there? Nah?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
No, I just go back at Lakers and it's like, anyway,
is he still in there? Like he's still really they're
still playing him. And then of course you see that
fluke nasty injuries. To your point, hopefully it's as simple
as pop it back in air casting.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Probably not, I'm just I'm not sure it's not.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
But that you know, that's what you're hoping because of
how bad the instant replay was. But it's just like,
I don't know what the NFL can do more than
what they are do to protect these quarterbacks, especially when
so many of them, like Patrick Mahomes, like Josh Allen,
like Lamar Jackson, like the best guys Justin Herbert, live
(21:12):
on this edge where if you think they're gonna slide,
they'll run you over. If you think they're gonna go
out of bounds, they're dip their shoulder to get another
three or four yards and unless you police that out
of it completely, where you say quarterbacks cannot run or
if you two haven't touched them past the tackle box
or out past the line of scrimmage, then he's down. Like,
(21:34):
I don't know what you can do realistically to prevent
these kind of injuries.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So you and I like the NFL, well, we love it,
you know, of course, Santa See, we do gambling. Okay,
here's the dirty little secret. Just one game usually angry. Okay.
These are the scores of the most recent Island games, right,
so Sunday night, Monday night, Thursday night, London. This was
blowout Seattle, blowout City Ravens waxed the Dolphin. On Thursday,
(22:01):
Chiefs beat Marcus Mariotto buy a million. On Monday, Packers
come back to beat the Steelers, and again it was
interesting for a half, maybe three quarters. They still one
by ten. Chargers stomp out Carson Wentz by twenty five.
The Texans Seahawks game was just total trash. That one Monday,
and I think it was Monday night. There was Lions
Bucks which was awful. Monday night Niners beat the Falcons
(22:23):
in a really slow, boring Sunday night game. Rams In
their international visit versus the Jags, Like, we can't get
good primetime games, and Rob, that's the thing. Sunday thrilling,
six games happening, bears this that it's fun. And then
you go an Island game and you're like, shit, can
I turn on Wemby versus the Suns here? Where's the
(22:45):
Laker game? It's just the NF And I get it
the ratings, you know, I get I'm not arguing against
the NFL. We love it. But the reality is a
lot of these games, Rob just not competitive. I mean,
if this injury to Daniels is serious, I'm looking at
their schedule. I mean, they had they were supposed to
have a big time game against the Lions next week
on Fox Sunday. Then they had the I don't know
(23:07):
where's this game Madrid somewhere Lion against the Dolphins November sixteenth.
I just see six thirty am. Then they had the
Broncos on Sunday and Night Football. Good. That's got to
get flexed out, right. If Jayden Daniels isn't there against Bronix, sure, yeah,
I just it's in Christmas Day Cowboys Washington. So Marcus
(23:29):
Mariotta on Christmas Day, like Geese, just cancel Christmas. Any
other NFL stuff we missed, rob that is worthy of
discussion before we go to the World Series.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Real quick, I mean just quickly.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
If you didn't get to watch Bears Bengals, you know,
apologies to you, because I will go on record.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
The football itself was not great. Okay.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
It was a defense, defense optional game. It reminded me
of the old Big twelve when it was Baker Mayfield
was just Patrick Mahomes and each guy through for seven
hundred yards. Like it was one of those kind of
games where nobody could tackle. Coverage was bad, the defensive
play calls were horrible. But if you like offense and
you like drama, this was the game of the century
(24:14):
because again, the football wasn't good, but the cinema was incredible.
Joe Flacco does everything he can to march his team back.
Should have been a three touchdown game when he threw
a pick at the goal line and they somehow ruled
the defender down by contact, which gave the Bengals, you know,
just a little bit of life. They forced it three
and out to get the ball back touchdown, they go
(24:36):
for the on side kick, which never gets conforted evermore
because of the way.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
That the rules are.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
They recovered the on side kick, they've marched right down.
They score another touchdown, and because they had gone for
two in the previous score, they're up by one with
under a minute left. He said, hey, Cincinnati, all you
gotta do is hold them, hold them one stop. You're
gonna get one stop at all in this game. Now's
the time to get it. Of course they don't do.
They not give up like a winning field goal. They
(25:02):
give up like a fifty yard touchdown as a guy
running an untouched for the last forty And it was
so bad that after the game. And these are veteran players,
like Jamar Chase is a veteran player. He knows what
he can say and not say when the cameras are round.
Chase Brown is a veteran player. He knows what he
can say and not say when the cameras around. I
think he's actually a captain on there, both of them,
one of them is, at least Jamar Chase is caught
(25:25):
on the caught on cameras.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
And we can't get one fucking stop, Chase. Chase Brown
says to reporters.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Like after they had been questioning him on what In
the same asage, if you can watch the video, he says,
you know, the key is we're not going to turn
on each other because the defense was carrying us there
in the beginning of the season, you know, and now
the offense is doing much better now here in the
last couple of weeks. And in the same course of
the answer, well, how about you guys in the fucking game,
why couldn't you guys do that? Like they was so
(25:53):
bad and it was so much drama, both on the
field and off the field that if you didn't get
to catch the Navid I feel sorry for you.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I have a past. All this stat floating around social media.
Then the last three years, teams that score thirty eight
points eighty seven, six and two. That's for everyone except
the Bengals. The Bengals are one and four. That's right,
So like, if you score thirty eight, you should automatically
get the dub. The Bengals are one and four because
the defense is just abhorrent. It'll be interesting, like we'll
(26:22):
do some trade stuff, I'm sure this week, but like
after that, do they just say, you know what, ef it,
We're done. Let's just trade Hendrickson, get what we can.
We don't need this offseason drama. I think some teams
are going to be looking at cornerbacks, defense, pass rushers.
It should be a busy week. I know we always
say that it never really is.
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Speaker 2 (26:52):
All right, let's go to the World Series, because you
know we don't do a ton on baseball. I readily
admit that I'm a casual baseball fan. And if you say, hey,
J Mack, I got Dodgers tickets, do you want to go? Yeah,
sure I'll go. We go with the family. It's fun.
I'm not like watching game ninety seven of the season.
I'm not tuned in. I don't know what's going on
with middle relief. Then when the playoffs come around, yeah,
(27:13):
I'll watch closer. Try to go to a game. I
definitely have the game on. This World Series was unbelievable,
But I don't even know what the best World Series
of my lifetime? Any any that the Yankees won? But
did Dodgers go back to Toronto down three to two.
They gotta throw Yama Monroo. He's lights out again. You
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go to game seven still you're like, oh, we got Otani,
were in great shape. And then Otani gives up the
three run homer to bishit and it's like, oh, Dodgers
are playing catch up the whole game. It's just not
really happening. They keep clawing back, and then this guy Rojas,
who I don't even really know, I'm not familiar with
his game, he goes yard like the most unlikely hitter.
The whole all we were talking about heading into the
(27:57):
ninth thinning is yeah, so Tani gets to bat, yes,
oh my gosh, we have a chest and Rojas comes
up and he's like pop Hi game, Like wow, and
then to win it in extra innings and Yamamoto came
in the day after pitching ninety six pitches, seals the deal,
gets a third win, gets the MVP. It was thrilling.
(28:18):
And now obviously I was at a Halloween party, you know,
with the wife or celebrating. Everybody's going crazy. It's awesome.
And then you know, I'm largely unaware of what's going
on on social media outside of the games. I don't
know if that's because the algorithm or what. But Rob
tells me, you know, a lot of people are pissed
off that this is bad for baseball, and I'm like, huh,
(28:39):
how is this bad for him? I mean, like, you know,
in the NBA, dynasties are amazing for the sport. In
the NFL, the Chiefs dynasty, the Patriots dodynasty, great for
the sport. And it's like, why would the Dodgers dynasty
be bad?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Well, you know, there's no salary caps, so they spend
the most money and get all the best players. If
you don't like that, then why blame the Dodgers? Why
not change the rules? Well, that's not happening, right, They're
not gonna all of a sudden, but in a salary cap. Okay, Well,
is it unfair that Otani hit the market after leaving
(29:16):
the Angels and landed with the Dodgers? What's unfair about that?
Is it unfair that Yamamotor decided he was coming to
the US and the Dodgers were like, okay, we'll give
you three hundred and twenty five million dollars. People laughed
at the Dodgers for that. Oh, this guy's never pitched
in the BIGS. Oh that's insane. I mean, well, I
don't see what he did in the World Series. He
definitely worth every penny. So again, maybe it's just that
(29:40):
I'm unaware, Rob, but I found the Dodgers. Now. Listen,
I'm out here in LA. It's exciting. You know, everybody's
into the Dodgers. I thought it was exciting. I don't
think it's bad at all. If anything, I'm where I
think the Dodgers need to go out this offseason and
get some more bats. I mean, they really couldn't deliver
in the postseason, and that's I guess It's good and
a further piss off Major League Baseball. Huh.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
J Back to your point, the Dodgers batted two oh
three in the World Series, the first mark by a
champion since nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Over the last two seasons which the Daughters have the
Dodgers have went back to back World Series championships, they
have batted a combined two oh four in the World Series. Okay,
so this is not some juggernaut team. This is not
Oh my gosh, can you imagine anybody else other than
these guys winning it? No, what they have obviously, they
have several great players, but what they have more than
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anything else, is they have guys who have come up
big in the biggest moments. And that's all you can
really ask for in the sport of baseball, Because baseball,
especially in the postseason, how many times have you said
coming in like, oh, well, this team is loaded, they
should win, and you know, the number seven hitter on
the other team comes up with a three one blast
(30:56):
out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah, Like, that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
The Dodgers win this World Series trailing by one down
to their last two outs, and a guy who hadn't
hit a home run in over a month and a half,
who wasn't even playing in the series until a game
and a half ago, hits the game time home run
that flips it right. The Dodgers, who again had been
struggling batting the entire World Series, have one guy in
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one game, Shoe Aotani, accounts for nine total bases or
reaches base nine times, walk five times, goes four to
four to two doubles, two home runs. Like one guy
flipped that whole thing. Yeah, Yamamoto, I believe historically, I
think it's only like six guys have won at least
three road games in the World Series. Like three pitchers
(31:46):
or six pitchers have won at least three road games.
He did three has three wins in one World Series, right, Like,
I don't understand how anybody can look at the Dodgers.
And I'm not saying this I live in LA because
my whole family Dodger fans. I'm saying, as I'm saying
as an objective sports fan, what they do is something
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that every team should aspire to be. You should be
pissed off right now. If you're a Detroit Tigers fan
and we got reports saying, hey, it's a good chance
they're gonna trade schoobl who might be the best pitcher
in baseball, because they don't want to pay him the
money he's looking for.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Like, you should be pissed off with that.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You should be pissed off who's in the mix for him?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
By the way, everybody anybody who has money. That's all
the elites, the coastal elites, and the Blue Jays.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
So what the Mets, the Yankees, right, blue Jays, probably
the Red Sox.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
If it was as simple as who has the biggest payroll,
then why haven't the Yankees won in thirty years? Why
have the Mets haven't won the last five Because they've
been spending money like it's going out of style. The Dodgers,
unlike a lot of these other teams. Yes, they have
big paychecks and big wallets, big bank accounts. What they
also have is a great farm system. What they also
(32:59):
have is they find discarded guys like a Max Muncy,
like a Tommy Edmin from other teams that just fit
what they're trying to do. They're able to tap in
and take risks that other teams necessarily aren't gonna take,
like some of the trades that they made as started
this whole run a couple of years ago, Like they
took on a terrible David Price contract so they can
(33:22):
get some better players, right, They, to your point, signed
Yamamoto three hundred and twenty five million, had never pitched
in a big league game and never likes.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Basically side unseen. Right.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, and you had current pitchers at the time. I
think Dallas Braden was one of them. It's like, how
the hell are you gonna do that. That's a terrible decision.
That's just throwing money away. Like I haven't we learned anything.
It's like, no, they get the right guys at the
right time, and and more importantly, they get these guys
who seem to have a grittiness that most superstars just
do not have. Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts, shoe A Otani
(33:56):
Yamamoto saying I'm gonna give you ninety plus pitches the
night before, then I'm gonna come and give you another
thirty to close the game.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Like that, let me ask Rob, Like, here's the thing.
So the Dodgers went out and got I'm sorry. The
Angels went out and got Otani, right yep. And they
couldn't really spend money to get anyone else. Well, I mean,
I guess technically you could, but I guess the owner
was like, hey, it's not profitable if I spend.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
And we also spent on the wrong guys before that,
right Hams and Albert Pooholes.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So the Dodgers, you're right, have more wiggle room for
swing and miss when you're spending a ton of money.
The Angels don't. The Mets were like, basically, what's that team?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Like North Carolina's Belichick, Hey, let's just go hit the portal.
Let's get everybody, let's spend all the money and they
just whip it together and it didn't work. But I
just I do wonder if do you think the rest
of the owners around the league would be upset enough that, hey, man,
we just can't hang. Let's all vote to have a
salary captay. Is there any chance of that happening?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Absolutely? You think that so freaking lotly?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Yes, because all of these guys, I mean, you know
this working in sports, the teams that are actually interested
in winning is maybe like a third in any league,
and then more than half if not the rest of
the league. It's just like, hey, how do we make money?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
We make money?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
How do we stay profitable? How do we stay in
the black.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
And there's been reports even before the season what the
Dodgers are doing is unfair from the Rockies manager, from
the Yankees, this is unfair what they're doing, the way
they're spending this money. Like, are you kidding me, Brian Cashman,
you're gonna say that the yank the Dodgers are spending
too much money when the Yankees historically have wanted in
the highest spinning teams ever. And if you watch this
(35:39):
past World Series, Yes, the Dodgers won, but you cannot
say with a straight face that the Blue Jays did
not look like the better team throughout the series.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, they were right there.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
They had them dead to rights and just couldn't close
the door. The Blue Jays in this World Series had
twenty two more hits, scored eight more runs, and batted
over sixty points higher as a team and still lost.
So if the blue Jays.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Win, are the Dodgers still baff for baseball?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Could they just freaking lost?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, it's then narrative switched a goll goofy. Let me
ask you this. So I don't know enough about the
Blue Jays. So was this just an ultra charmed year
and they were that close they could just come back
and do it again, or two years ago were they
just not anywhere close to this? And this was just
kind of sort of I don't want to use the
(36:30):
word lucky. But everything went their way. I mean, the
guy who set the record for major League hits at
a postseason, I'd never heard of him in my life.
I mean, he just every time he came in to play,
he was like, oh he was like the eighth or nine,
ten or do you know what I'm talking about Clement.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes, well j Mack.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Just to give you some context, the Toronto Blue Jays
had the fifth highest payroll in baseball, So they're not
just some plucky team out of nowhere. That kind of
is someth The difference that they spent money exactly is
that Vlad was awesome and he and he just got
rewarded with the found mind of other contract. But he
played like a five hundred million dollar guy we should play. Yeah,
George Springer finally rounded in the form after a couple
of years with the team, like he finally looked like
(37:06):
the George Springer from Houston.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
He's starting to break down though, It sounded like right.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Yeah, I mean he got hurt there at the end.
But they have a lot of really good players, Like
they may not have the star power where like the
household names because the Dodgers are the Dodgers. But you
cannot say, if you know anything about baseball that the
Blue Jays are just happy to be there. They're just
a lucky team.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Like, no, they are a really really.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Good baseball team and they should have won the World Series.
It just didn't work out for them.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Would you say that the correct way to assess the
salary cap situation is it doesn't guarantee you victory, obviously,
but the more you spend, the better chance you have
of making in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
The more you spend should theoretically give you a better
chance to make the playoffs. The problem is, if you
look historically since two thousand and one, the team would
the biggest payroll has only.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Run it four times. If it was just about spending, then.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
No, but I would, I would. I think a better
analysis would be And you know what, I'll dig into
chat GPT on this this week. Sure so among so
there's thirty teams in baseball, right, yes, among the bottom
ten spenders for the last decade, how many have made
the playoffs versus the top ten spenders the last ten years?
(38:26):
How many have made the playoffs? I would guess it's
probably two to one, maybe three to one, That is
just a guess. But like you know, I know some
of these teams at the bottom. Sure you'll have a
breakthrough and maybe catch lightning in a bottle and get through, right,
wasn't I forget? Was it the Tigers? I mean?
Speaker 4 (38:43):
I mean, like you had the Rays make the World Series?
A couple of raised the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Like you get these one offs.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
The Diamondbacks, I think last year or two years ago,
made a run at the World Series. They didn't win it,
but yeah, I mean, like, the thing is is that
what you see with a lot of these teams, And
it goes back to the other conversation is the worst teams,
like the team that don't spend anything. If you look
usually at their roster, it's loaded with these young rookie
(39:10):
contract you know, they were great in the minors and
they're just they're really ascending, and then when it's time
to pay them, well suddenly they don't.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
They can't afford it.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Yeah, like, well you absolutely can. You're just choosing not
to because you have all these guys in the building.
Like Moneyball, if you watch that move, everyone loves the
movie with a rap pit, the focus is on like Hadiberg,
and its focus is on David Justice and the like
these other players.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Anybody who knows anything about baseball.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Is like, well, they also had like three of the
best pictures in the league at that point, who were
all young guys. And we don't want to talk about
that part because that.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Vez like Veto and Molder like that doesn't work with
the narrative.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
The narrative was, well, we can't afford anybody, so our
team must be terrible. It's like, no, you had great pictures,
just eventually when it was time to pay them, you
were like, nah, not fan, can't do that.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I don't have any play on Monday Night football. Kyler
Murray's out. It feels like a soft benching. We may
have to talk talk about that this week. Jacoby Bresett
against DAK I got nothing on the game. I have
nobody in fantasy. I just don't need Trey McBride and
Aubrey to go off. I'm facing them. But I'm real
curious how much Lakers have you ingested? Now World Series
is over, you got a lot more time to take
(40:15):
in the Dalton connect, Jake la Ravia. I mean, the
Lakers can almost drought out an all white lineup, you know,
led by Luca. Now Luca's back from injury.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
They're the real exciting Whites.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I'll just say there's a lot of fun stuff happening
in the league right now. I mean, again, we don't
have time to get into it. But like the Indiana
Pacers have fallen off a cliff without Haliburton and Miles
Turner and company. Lakers look plucky even without Lebron. Obviously,
Wemby and Company look really, really, really good. There's just
so much happening in the league. Like there's guys coming
(40:49):
out of nowhere doing incredible things. Had you ever heard
of Ryan Rollins.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I've heard of him, but I wasn't familiar with his game.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
But I know, oh, me look like an All star
out there. There's so many The league is amazing and
and you know we'll start to get into it more. Also,
college basketball tips this week. I got to figure out
how to like start to dig into those teams. You
guys know, I love me some college basketball. But so yeah,
no play on Monday night football. Did bet the Thursday
game Denver against the Raiders, already regretting it because you know,
(41:19):
this is what I do. I bet games and then
I think about it and I'm like, oh, I get
in my own head. Anyways, So yeah, back tomorrow, we'll
probably talk some hoops a little Cowboy. Now. The Cowboys
got to win this game tonight against the Cardinals, Like
I can't see them losing. Yeah, they should be fine.
I would expect fireworks if you asked me, Jake, I
got fifty bucks, you know, for for my birthday. Who
(41:42):
should I put it on? I would just say bet
the over. I think we'll see a lot of points
back tomorrow
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