January 30, 2019 • 26 mins
Chris and Rob says Roger Goodell's explanation for the no-call pass interference that sent the Rams to the Super Bowl is "too little, too late." Three time Super Bowl Champ Willie McGinest jins The Odd Couple to preview Super Bowl LIII. The guys also commend Pelicans GM Dell Demps for not answering call about trading Anthony Davis before they rip into Lonzo Ball for not wanting to compete with the established guards in New Orleans if he were to be traded there.
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You're listening to the Best of The Odd Couple with
Chris Brush and Rod Harker. It has been hot and
everybody's been wondering why is Roger Goodell not spoken out?
He was a silent about the horrible no call in
the NFC Championship game, and today he spoke. He had
no choice. He met with the media as he always
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does at the Super Bowl, and he spoke, and of
course he was asked about the no call. Here's what
he's said. We will look again at instant replay, should
replay be expanded. It does not cover judgment calls. This
was a judgment call. The other complication is this was
a no call and our coaches and clubs have been
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very resistant and there has not been support to date
of having a replay assistant or somebody in New York
throw a flag when there has not been a flag
on the field. What do you think about bs and
poppy cock? That's what I said. Yeah, from this standpoint,
that's not what we wanted to hear, and that's not
what NFL America wanted to hear. What NFL America wanted
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to hear. Roger Goodell say, it was a lousy call,
a terrible call, and we will work to get the
best referees out on the field, and we're gonna hold
them accountable the way general managers are held accountable, the
way coaches are held accountable, the way players are held accountable.
And if you don't do your job correctly, you will
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not an ot be an official in the NFL. That's all.
No one else is asking for anything special. Everybody's accountable
for their job, Chris. If we don't do our job
and we don't get ratings, you know what happens. We
get fired. Right. If you're a coach and your team
doesn't win, what happens, you get fired. If you're a
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player and you can't make it happen, you get fired.
These officials, they blew in. Why are we afraid to
say that they did not choose their jobs? Did they
have been fired? They wouldn't work a big game. If
I'm like, if you don't want to fire them for
their first defense, it should be a three strikes you know,
or something. And if you make three bad call, I'm
talking about bad calls like we saw here. Well that
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haven't been not a question. But if you have something
like this, I can't have you work a big game.
You're not good enough to work a big game. And
to act like it doesn't matter is not right. You're
talking about, Well, it's human and people may we know that.
We do know that. Hey, Roger Goodell, that's why they
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put a race was on pencils because people make mistakes.
But that's not what I wanted to hear today from him.
First of all, you took way too long to say anything,
and then you give me something, Well, people are human.
I don't want to hear that. That's not what the
people in New Orleans want to hear. And that's not
what football fans want the people in New Orleans want
to hear. You know what, we push back the super
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Bowl for a week. But now you know what, I
agree with you. You're right, he could have came out
and if he had been assertive, yes, strong, concise clear
like you stated, then I think a lot of people
would have just backed up and Okay, White, what could
you respond to that, because you know they're not nothing
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else was gonna happen. As you said, there's nothing he
would have said that could have really satisfied everybody. But
but if if he had made a strong statement about
the accountability of officials, then that would have a lot
of people would have liked that. I agree, that's that's all.
I mean. You don't have to uh rip those guys
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personally and all that, but say we're going to get
the best officials to get the calls right. That was
not a hard call to make, and we didn't get
it right. And that's not what the National Football League
is gonna be about. We're never gonna have all playoffs
where we're talking about officiating. That's not what we want.
We want to talk about football, not officiating. Well, what
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do you think he mentioned that they're going to look
again at instant replay. What are your thoughts on that?
I just I'm I'm against every every judgment call and all.
You know, when you get into that, so you open
up a can of worms. Are we're gonna really do
that where it's like, and I heard your plan where
you keep the number the same, let me say my plan.
Don't don't say all right, but you've said it, but
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you know. But but my my issue is I don't
want them like somebody throws a game winning touchdown, we're
gonna challenge. But it's already I mean, we already have
to review every touchdown. I know, I know, flight bit
anti climax, no, no no, no, But you don't go in
and go, hey, look there was a holding and then
you throw the flag and say, let's bring that back.
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I don't want them to start taking touchdowns off the
field and go, oh yeah, we just we played it.
Look there's a holding there that that was a holding
call that was missed. Let's bring that touchdown back. I
don't want that kind of I don't think anybody wants.
I don't want to review every single every play and
to see if there's a holding. But you could look,
I'm in favor of allowing things like I think that
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play should have been reviewable, and maybe you just say, look,
it has to be like if there's a pass, it
has to be with the receiver and the defensive back.
But can't you can't look at the offensive line. If
no flag was thrown on the offensive line or defensive line,
you can't look at that, That's what I'm saying that.
But you can look at the pass, you can look
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at the defensive play, you know, the defensive back like
like it's but you don't add challenges. As long as
you keep the same we don't need the game to
go long. No, it wouldn't because coaches would be hesitant,
you know, in the second quarter to throw a flag,
you know, to throw the challenge flag when they know
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they won't have him at the end of the game. Okay,
now here, here's my here's my pushback to you. So
imagine that, uh that they had already used their challenges
well and and then Sean Payton didn't have one at
the end of the game. Then right then what gotten
ripped by his own fame? Okay, but but but but
we haven't been as much the league. It would have
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been the coach. But then I'm just saying that you
would have the same result. And then they would have said, well,
he didn't have enough challenges. We need to have more
of challenges. Watch it, you know what I mean. You're
gonna get into that only from the standpoint of what
if there were two or three really bad plays earlier
in the game that he thought, well, he needed for
his team in a situation, so he used them, thinking
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I need to get these points or whatever it is,
and then that horrible play happens and he can't challenge
it because he think a lot of people would look
at him. You're right, you're never gonna please everybody, but
there is the human element. You're never going to please everybody.
But I do think plays like that have to be reviewable.
I just want those guys, And you're right, you don't
want guys, you know, holding penalties old that nobody ever
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even saw originally one team that that was zeroing in
on it. You don't want that. So take away the
line of scrimmage unless something's called. But receivers, defensive back,
something like that, and coaches, that's why the game wouldn't
be lengthened, because coaches have to be deliberate about saving
their flags, maybe for the last two minutes or whatever,
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but but you're still in a dilemma. You can't save
if a play happens in the third quarter. You don't
even know this going to decide. You don't even know
if there's gonna be in the fourth quarter that matters.
But that's gonna be part of the coaching. That's that's
the big thing. But people still gonna be upset if
I mean, it's just like this Cuba turn. You know,
you got sixty four teams you know or whatever it
is now? Know? Yeah, I mean you why not a hundred?
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So you're never going to satisfy everybody. The college football playoff?
You know you got four? Why not six? So there
was no playoff? They aren't happy. Now you're gonna playoff,
they're not happying. So nothing's going to be perfect. But
I do think rob that that would go a long
way and making things better. And I also wish they
could do something that just the idea of officials not
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being full time. It's strange to me at this level,
but the NFL is cheap, and they don't want to
pay those guys because it's only sixteen games that they
can avoid having to pay them in full benefits and
all that other stuff that comes with They should get
full benefits. They should be and then you know what
you're doing. They don't have to work anything else, and
the off season is that they should be working on
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their craft, right, they should be studying films like The
Full Joy, the Football whatever. You know. You could work
some other league and some what. But you're right, like,
I get it. Yeah, No, the offseason is not that
long where you can't work during offseason and you know what,
I'm on football, No, but I'm off football. That's a
full time job, all right, all right, I get it. Yeah,
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I think that's a good I like your point though. Man.
You came out strong. You came out slamming every day. Man,
I'm actually surprised. I was taking a back. I was
all ready to call me down exactly, and you actually
came with a You do it every two and a
half three weeks. Yeah. Thanks for listening to The Odd
Couple podcasts. Be sure to catch us live every weekday
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from seven pm to ten pm Eastern four to seven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station
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by searching f s R. Now, we're joined by three
times Super Bowl champion, NFL Network analyst and somebody that's
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got a bone to pick. Parker Patriots. Great. Willie mcginnon, Willie,
what's going on you? I'm great, man. Your accident changed
a little bit that base, that base is way. How
to change this accident has changed? Man told me, well,
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charge your media fast is different address. It's a little
different different down. Man. I got your team, former team
all worked up. Did you what happened? I don't. I
got what was with Colin. We were talking about, you know,
the playoffs, and the Patriots came up and before I
know it, you lost. It was like Mexico, Mexico and
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he'll build a wall. You know what I mean. It's
a second job. Wow, man, it's incredible. Man. You know
the power of motivation, you know they do They really
use absolutely used it. We used it in this same
game seventeen years ago. You just remember when we played,
when we played the Greatest Show on Turf. Nobody gave
us no, no, no. We were fourteen point underdogs in
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this game. Nobody Madden said we'd be losing by thirty
thirty points at a halftime, like we didn't have a
shot in hill to play in this game. And all
we heard all week was about the Rams. When we
sat down for interviews is about the Rams. Everything we
did was about the Rams and how great they were
and how we're going to be able to keep up.
And you know, this team, they're so special, they're you know,
they're already working on the second ring to back to
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back rings and all the different things. And do you
know how much that infuriated us as a team and
as players, and the disrespect that we felt going into
this game and how that made this feel and how
the coaches us it that to their advantage. We had
clippings on our lockers and things that media personality said
and X players ex players said about us and what
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would happen and we had to we had to just
bottle that up all week long. We couldn't say nothing,
We couldn't talk to them about it. And when we
got on that field, man, we at least we let
it hear you hear guys say, well, you don't need
extra motivation. We don't care about the media. There is
another level you don't. I mean you don't if you're
a competitor and you're a player, you don't need it.
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But when you feel it and you take it as disrespect,
that's different. That's when somebody telling you what you can't
do and what you want do. I don't care what
sports you play or who you are. If you're a
competitor and I'm in the locker room with you and
somebody saying that about you, that doesn't bother you. I
don't want to be a teammate. I want I want
that to be personal. Now becomes personal, you know. And
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I think when you've had so much success, and you
can guys can relate to this. You guys been around
the game of basketball, football, or whatever forever, When you
had a level of success for so long, I think
it's it's natural to become complacent, right, It's natural to
become like this is the norm, this is how things
supposed to happen. And sometimes you need a spark. Sometimes
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you need something just to put a chip on your
shoulder or reset the engine and re get you going again.
And that was it. And they hadn't been playing well,
so some of them was true. The players haven't been
playing well. So they were three and five on the road.
They wasn't playing great football, they wasn't playing championship football.
But was they're done? That was the question where they're done? Right? Right?
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So basically, you're you're endorsing my rant that I was right,
that I was right when you when you heard you
went overboard. I was sitting there like, man, not only
has robbed disrespected me in my face on the show.
When I was on a disputed did you did? You
said we cheated, we count, we need to help. We
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had all this stuff. I'm sitting there and saying, look
at it, look at what he's doing. I'm they're taking
all this right here, and all this is going on
the big old college. It's gonna get played in front
of the team. He's like the coach and you read
this dark empires over it ends right here in Kansas.
Oh man, you was going you should you should have
got an award for your performance, man, for your performance,
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because we know it wasn't real. You know that it's
not real. Man, that was crazy. And then when they
put it on Instagram that's he wasn't the only one.
I know that. The only one is another guy who right.
We were like, remember, we were like, what are you
talking about? He's like, right, Cliff, it's funny, man, But Willie,
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what what is Belichick? Like? I hear stuff like, oh,
he's funny. I hear ex players say that, but we
can't from the outside. You can't picture any of that
because what is he really like when you're on the
team and all that. Yes, I mean he's protective of
his team and his players, and I think we pay
more attention to him at the podium than we do
on the players. So I think it's masterful how he
takes that. You know that whatever he takes at the
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podium and now it's about him versus the players and
what's going on. But I think you know to be
able to be around players for a number of decades
because the player changes, right, The player has changed so
much from when I came in till now. The way
they digest information, the way they communicate, the social media,
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everything has changed about the player. So to get these
players to buy in, you got to be able to
understand where they come from, how they communicate, how they
are now, how they're wired. And I think he does
a great job of being old schooling being now like
in the now with the millenniums, and being able to
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get guys to buy in and play at a certain
level consistently. You know, it's powerful when you can get
a group of men to buy into team versus individualism,
and when you can do that and to play unselfish,
to be unselfish and do that, I think it's a
powerful thing, and I think it creates for consistency and success.
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It's the eye couple joined by three time Super Bowl
champion Willie McGinnis. And you can see Willie throughout the
week on NFL Networks NFL Total Access at even pm
Eastern from Atlanta, and on Super Bowl Sunday, NFL Network
will provide eight and a half hours of pregame coverage
from Atlantic. Gonna been making some big money starting at
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nine am Eastern. Now, really, here's the one thing about
Bill Belichick. I don't understand when they talk about the
Patriot way and the philosophy that he has, how come
it hasn't been able to transfer over to those assistants
who were there who went on to go take, you know,
other jobs. Is it more about just Bill and and
(16:32):
Brady and maybe not something that you could take elsewhere
and succeed with because none of his guys from his
tree have been able to duplicate any kind of success
away from Bill. Sure, Billy O'Brien has won a division
three times other than him, There's been a lot of
other guys. Well what I'm saying, there's a lot of
other guys too. Is Josh mc daniels, right, No, Josh
mc daniels from Woman couldn't know what about what's Charlie,
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Charlie Wi Charlie Weiss was there? Everybody here, everybody and
you look, you look at a lot of different coaching trees,
whether it's the Andy Reid coaching tree or or or
the Don Shoela coaching tree or Bill wash Okay, right,
like everybody's not everybody can't be a head coach. Like
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there's a lot of coordinators that go out and they fail, right, everybody.
There's more to being a head coach of just x's
and those and lining up guys and having a whistle
on the clipboard. There's a lot of things that go
into that. And when you go into different situations, everybody
wants the next Sean mcvayh right, that coaching tree now
a two year old tree. But body who had a
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cup of coffee and a sweet role with him they're hiring.
But look at what he went into. Sean McVeigh is
brilliant and his ability to connect with players and his
his his knowledge and he's a student of the game. Right,
But look into the system he went into. You know,
you had less need as a gym. You had Kevin Dimoff,
You have structure. You had a hell of a roster, right,
you had a hell of a rosteral, So you had
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a lot of a lot of support and structure around you.
Some of these other coaches don't go into that. They
don't have the power of the fifty three man roster.
They don't have the power to manipulate and move the
cap and make those type of decisions. There's other people
in the way. So you got to have that power
if you go into another system. All those coaches don't
have that. They all try to find it, they all
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try to emulate it, but everybody's not doesn't have that
from top to bottom. So when you look at some
of these coaches, Ma Patricia, he's in Detroit, he's trying
to create that. He's got the gym on his side,
New England, right, So they got guys that they got.
Peli's in Atlanta too. He was in the Super Bowl
two years ago, so you know he's an assistant gym
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over there. So he was in the Super Bowl. So
you gotta understand, man, there's a lot of coaches that
are not meant to be head coaches, regardless of what
tree they come from. And there's other guys that don't
have the support group or the structure that Bill has
earned in New England. Should we not waste thirty seconds
and ask you who you picking in the game. I'm not,
I don't. I'm still I'm still watching tape. I don't.
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I don't watch you. You don't just I'm eight No,
I'm ain't. No. This year, from when the playoffs started,
I picked every team. I don't do spred Okay, yeah
see I like that. I'm the same. I'm talking a
regular season. I don't when when when the when? The when?
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We when the playoff teams? When all the teams were picked,
I have not lost the game. The only the only
game I did you pick the soup like the only
tam I lost was the Bears. I didn't pick. I
picked the Bears to be filling if the dude makes
the field goal. Before the playoffs started, did you pick
a Super Bowl champion? Because yeah, we had Tom we
had to, But I picked I picked Patriots Saints two
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months out and then after uh, the Rams beat the Cowboys,
I switched my pick to the to the Rams being
in the Super Bowl because I took them because I
saw the adjustments they meet against the Cowboys, and I
agree with you. I did the same exact thing, and
I didn't like the way the Saints were playing right right,
so I took them. Thank you, great stuff, man, you
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do a great job. Man. Come man, we all when
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There's a report rob that Dell Dimps, the GM general
manager for the New Orleans Pelicans. Of course, the embattled
Dale Dimps, now that his best player, Anthony Davis, wants out.
Remember this happened to the Pelicans a few years ago.
Chris Paul wanted out, and now Anthony Davis does. But
the report is that he's not answering the phone for
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trade calls. You know what, more power to Dale Demps.
If Anthony Davis doesn't want to play fair, then why
should Dell dimp Right, I don't I think he'd be
idiotic to trade Anthony Davis before February seventh, the trade deadline.
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I agree with you, Chris, and I also think that
people don't understand this is a multi million dollar business,
right and you have people to answer to, not just
the people buy tickets. You have sponsorships and people who
are paid money. You know who answers to who, who
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deals with you when they're not happy? Yes, your owner,
your president, whoever, Absolutely no, no question. But and and honestly,
this may very well, I might even say probably cost
Dale Demps's job. Might probably will about to lose your
best player. He's got a year left on his deal,
and so I'm fine with Dell Dimp's doing this. Look,
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Boston may be able to make you the best offer,
and you should Why wait till they can get involved
and then you'll know where their picks are too. Also
wait because maybe the Knicks have that pick. So you
need to let the season whatever it is. And then Chris,
you could go, Okay, this is bad. We're not ever
gonna get fit equal value for a guy like that,
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But I need to make sure we get another star
to replace, right right, central young star who we're gonna
have for the next five or six years. Worst comes
the worst, and you don't deal with Boston or New York,
you can always go back to the Lakers. Lebron James
is not about to sit by for another year of mediocric, right,
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and he's going to demand you get Davis whatever it takes.
And those guys are still gonna be there, right, So
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Sources close to Linzo Ball say he doesn't want to
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get traded to the New Orleans Pelicans. He would rather
get traded to Chicago or New York because in New
Orleans he doesn't want to go to a place where
their point guard situation is already established. Now, let me
run down the backcourt the point guard. Let me hear
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these players, Let me hear these players that that Linzo
doesn't want to compete again. Let me hear this for
playing time. These are these old guys who made All
NBA last year or something. I don't know. Far from it.
Alfred Peyton, who e Twine Moore, who Ian Clark who
You're right, who Linzo? If you can't compete with them,
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if you don't want to compete with them, then I'm
sorry you're not a starter in this league. Can I
say this, Chris to Lonzo hasn't played well enough to
be worried about anybody else. Worry about your own game,
and you should. You should be willing to take on
a challenge to prove yourself, get an opportunity to get
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back out there and be worried about improving your game
and not who else is on the team right, And
it looks terrible because again, Elfred Payton would be in
the bottom ten of point guards in this thirty team league.
And if you are afraid to compete with him, then
I'm sorry. Something's wrong. Now here's the thing. I don't
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think it's just, if at all, a fear of competing
with those three guys I name, because the Pelicans have said,
according to sources, that they view Linso as a future starter,
that they would like to give him thirty five minutes
a game next to Drew Holliday, who they think is
more of a two guard. I think it's really about
the market, you know, because the teams he mentioned he'd
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like to go to New York Chicago. Now, granted they
don't really have point guards either, but they're big markets.
So that's what Linzo and Lavarre and his camp is
thinking about getting to a big market. They don't want
to be in the small market of New Orleans. But
to your point, dude, you're not good enough yet. If
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you have to play in freaking Oklahoma City, Sacramento, the
La Clippett, whatever market, it may be the worst market
in the league, you better go do it, absolutely and
you better be careful about wishing to go play in
New York as well. You don't know that, and I
know that because we've both written for New York papers.
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It ain't an easy play. You shoot forty five percent
from the free throw, ain't gonna let you hear about.
You're gonna be you. You will be booed. You're absolutely right,
absolutely right. So Lions, don't think about that when you
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You're listening to the Best of The Odd Couple with
Chris Brush and Rod Harker. It has been hot and
everybody's been wondering why is Roger Goodell not spoken out?
He was a silent about the horrible no call in
the NFC Championship game, and today he spoke. He had
no choice. He met with the media as he always
(00:43):
does at the Super Bowl, and he spoke, and of
course he was asked about the no call. Here's what
he's said. We will look again at instant replay, should
replay be expanded. It does not cover judgment calls. This
was a judgment call. The other complication is this was
a no call and our coaches and clubs have been
(01:06):
very resistant and there has not been support to date
of having a replay assistant or somebody in New York
throw a flag when there has not been a flag
on the field. What do you think about bs and
poppy cock? That's what I said. Yeah, from this standpoint,
that's not what we wanted to hear, and that's not
what NFL America wanted to hear. What NFL America wanted
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to hear. Roger Goodell say, it was a lousy call,
a terrible call, and we will work to get the
best referees out on the field, and we're gonna hold
them accountable the way general managers are held accountable, the
way coaches are held accountable, the way players are held accountable.
And if you don't do your job correctly, you will
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not an ot be an official in the NFL. That's all.
No one else is asking for anything special. Everybody's accountable
for their job, Chris. If we don't do our job
and we don't get ratings, you know what happens. We
get fired. Right. If you're a coach and your team
doesn't win, what happens, you get fired. If you're a
(02:14):
player and you can't make it happen, you get fired.
These officials, they blew in. Why are we afraid to
say that they did not choose their jobs? Did they
have been fired? They wouldn't work a big game. If
I'm like, if you don't want to fire them for
their first defense, it should be a three strikes you know,
or something. And if you make three bad call, I'm
talking about bad calls like we saw here. Well that
(02:37):
haven't been not a question. But if you have something
like this, I can't have you work a big game.
You're not good enough to work a big game. And
to act like it doesn't matter is not right. You're
talking about, Well, it's human and people may we know that.
We do know that. Hey, Roger Goodell, that's why they
(02:59):
put a race was on pencils because people make mistakes.
But that's not what I wanted to hear today from him.
First of all, you took way too long to say anything,
and then you give me something, Well, people are human.
I don't want to hear that. That's not what the
people in New Orleans want to hear. And that's not
what football fans want the people in New Orleans want
to hear. You know what, we push back the super
(03:22):
Bowl for a week. But now you know what, I
agree with you. You're right, he could have came out
and if he had been assertive, yes, strong, concise clear
like you stated, then I think a lot of people
would have just backed up and Okay, White, what could
you respond to that, because you know they're not nothing
(03:44):
else was gonna happen. As you said, there's nothing he
would have said that could have really satisfied everybody. But
but if if he had made a strong statement about
the accountability of officials, then that would have a lot
of people would have liked that. I agree, that's that's all.
I mean. You don't have to uh rip those guys
(04:04):
personally and all that, but say we're going to get
the best officials to get the calls right. That was
not a hard call to make, and we didn't get
it right. And that's not what the National Football League
is gonna be about. We're never gonna have all playoffs
where we're talking about officiating. That's not what we want.
We want to talk about football, not officiating. Well, what
(04:25):
do you think he mentioned that they're going to look
again at instant replay. What are your thoughts on that?
I just I'm I'm against every every judgment call and all.
You know, when you get into that, so you open
up a can of worms. Are we're gonna really do
that where it's like, and I heard your plan where
you keep the number the same, let me say my plan.
Don't don't say all right, but you've said it, but
(04:47):
you know. But but my my issue is I don't
want them like somebody throws a game winning touchdown, we're
gonna challenge. But it's already I mean, we already have
to review every touchdown. I know, I know, flight bit
anti climax, no, no no, no, But you don't go in
and go, hey, look there was a holding and then
you throw the flag and say, let's bring that back.
(05:08):
I don't want them to start taking touchdowns off the
field and go, oh yeah, we just we played it.
Look there's a holding there that that was a holding
call that was missed. Let's bring that touchdown back. I
don't want that kind of I don't think anybody wants.
I don't want to review every single every play and
to see if there's a holding. But you could look,
I'm in favor of allowing things like I think that
(05:34):
play should have been reviewable, and maybe you just say, look,
it has to be like if there's a pass, it
has to be with the receiver and the defensive back.
But can't you can't look at the offensive line. If
no flag was thrown on the offensive line or defensive line,
you can't look at that, That's what I'm saying that.
But you can look at the pass, you can look
(05:55):
at the defensive play, you know, the defensive back like
like it's but you don't add challenges. As long as
you keep the same we don't need the game to
go long. No, it wouldn't because coaches would be hesitant,
you know, in the second quarter to throw a flag,
you know, to throw the challenge flag when they know
(06:15):
they won't have him at the end of the game. Okay,
now here, here's my here's my pushback to you. So
imagine that, uh that they had already used their challenges
well and and then Sean Payton didn't have one at
the end of the game. Then right then what gotten
ripped by his own fame? Okay, but but but but
we haven't been as much the league. It would have
(06:37):
been the coach. But then I'm just saying that you
would have the same result. And then they would have said, well,
he didn't have enough challenges. We need to have more
of challenges. Watch it, you know what I mean. You're
gonna get into that only from the standpoint of what
if there were two or three really bad plays earlier
in the game that he thought, well, he needed for
his team in a situation, so he used them, thinking
(06:58):
I need to get these points or whatever it is,
and then that horrible play happens and he can't challenge
it because he think a lot of people would look
at him. You're right, you're never gonna please everybody, but
there is the human element. You're never going to please everybody.
But I do think plays like that have to be reviewable.
I just want those guys, And you're right, you don't
want guys, you know, holding penalties old that nobody ever
(07:22):
even saw originally one team that that was zeroing in
on it. You don't want that. So take away the
line of scrimmage unless something's called. But receivers, defensive back,
something like that, and coaches, that's why the game wouldn't
be lengthened, because coaches have to be deliberate about saving
their flags, maybe for the last two minutes or whatever,
(07:43):
but but you're still in a dilemma. You can't save
if a play happens in the third quarter. You don't
even know this going to decide. You don't even know
if there's gonna be in the fourth quarter that matters.
But that's gonna be part of the coaching. That's that's
the big thing. But people still gonna be upset if
I mean, it's just like this Cuba turn. You know,
you got sixty four teams you know or whatever it
is now? Know? Yeah, I mean you why not a hundred?
(08:08):
So you're never going to satisfy everybody. The college football playoff?
You know you got four? Why not six? So there
was no playoff? They aren't happy. Now you're gonna playoff,
they're not happying. So nothing's going to be perfect. But
I do think rob that that would go a long
way and making things better. And I also wish they
could do something that just the idea of officials not
(08:32):
being full time. It's strange to me at this level,
but the NFL is cheap, and they don't want to
pay those guys because it's only sixteen games that they
can avoid having to pay them in full benefits and
all that other stuff that comes with They should get
full benefits. They should be and then you know what
you're doing. They don't have to work anything else, and
the off season is that they should be working on
(08:55):
their craft, right, they should be studying films like The
Full Joy, the Football whatever. You know. You could work
some other league and some what. But you're right, like,
I get it. Yeah, No, the offseason is not that
long where you can't work during offseason and you know what,
I'm on football, No, but I'm off football. That's a
full time job, all right, all right, I get it. Yeah,
(09:16):
I think that's a good I like your point though. Man.
You came out strong. You came out slamming every day. Man,
I'm actually surprised. I was taking a back. I was
all ready to call me down exactly, and you actually
came with a You do it every two and a
half three weeks. Yeah. Thanks for listening to The Odd
Couple podcasts. Be sure to catch us live every weekday
(09:39):
from seven pm to ten pm Eastern four to seven
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times Super Bowl champion, NFL Network analyst and somebody that's
(10:04):
got a bone to pick. Parker Patriots. Great. Willie mcginnon, Willie,
what's going on you? I'm great, man. Your accident changed
a little bit that base, that base is way. How
to change this accident has changed? Man told me, well,
(10:25):
charge your media fast is different address. It's a little
different different down. Man. I got your team, former team
all worked up. Did you what happened? I don't. I
got what was with Colin. We were talking about, you know,
the playoffs, and the Patriots came up and before I
know it, you lost. It was like Mexico, Mexico and
(10:50):
he'll build a wall. You know what I mean. It's
a second job. Wow, man, it's incredible. Man. You know
the power of motivation, you know they do They really
use absolutely used it. We used it in this same
game seventeen years ago. You just remember when we played,
when we played the Greatest Show on Turf. Nobody gave
us no, no, no. We were fourteen point underdogs in
(11:11):
this game. Nobody Madden said we'd be losing by thirty
thirty points at a halftime, like we didn't have a
shot in hill to play in this game. And all
we heard all week was about the Rams. When we
sat down for interviews is about the Rams. Everything we
did was about the Rams and how great they were
and how we're going to be able to keep up.
And you know, this team, they're so special, they're you know,
they're already working on the second ring to back to
(11:33):
back rings and all the different things. And do you
know how much that infuriated us as a team and
as players, and the disrespect that we felt going into
this game and how that made this feel and how
the coaches us it that to their advantage. We had
clippings on our lockers and things that media personality said
and X players ex players said about us and what
(11:54):
would happen and we had to we had to just
bottle that up all week long. We couldn't say nothing,
We couldn't talk to them about it. And when we
got on that field, man, we at least we let
it hear you hear guys say, well, you don't need
extra motivation. We don't care about the media. There is
another level you don't. I mean you don't if you're
a competitor and you're a player, you don't need it.
(12:16):
But when you feel it and you take it as disrespect,
that's different. That's when somebody telling you what you can't
do and what you want do. I don't care what
sports you play or who you are. If you're a
competitor and I'm in the locker room with you and
somebody saying that about you, that doesn't bother you. I
don't want to be a teammate. I want I want
that to be personal. Now becomes personal, you know. And
(12:37):
I think when you've had so much success, and you
can guys can relate to this. You guys been around
the game of basketball, football, or whatever forever, When you
had a level of success for so long, I think
it's it's natural to become complacent, right, It's natural to
become like this is the norm, this is how things
supposed to happen. And sometimes you need a spark. Sometimes
(12:58):
you need something just to put a chip on your
shoulder or reset the engine and re get you going again.
And that was it. And they hadn't been playing well,
so some of them was true. The players haven't been
playing well. So they were three and five on the road.
They wasn't playing great football, they wasn't playing championship football.
But was they're done? That was the question where they're done? Right? Right?
(13:20):
So basically, you're you're endorsing my rant that I was right,
that I was right when you when you heard you
went overboard. I was sitting there like, man, not only
has robbed disrespected me in my face on the show.
When I was on a disputed did you did? You
said we cheated, we count, we need to help. We
(13:41):
had all this stuff. I'm sitting there and saying, look
at it, look at what he's doing. I'm they're taking
all this right here, and all this is going on
the big old college. It's gonna get played in front
of the team. He's like the coach and you read
this dark empires over it ends right here in Kansas.
Oh man, you was going you should you should have
got an award for your performance, man, for your performance,
(14:03):
because we know it wasn't real. You know that it's
not real. Man, that was crazy. And then when they
put it on Instagram that's he wasn't the only one.
I know that. The only one is another guy who right.
We were like, remember, we were like, what are you
talking about? He's like, right, Cliff, it's funny, man, But Willie,
(14:25):
what what is Belichick? Like? I hear stuff like, oh,
he's funny. I hear ex players say that, but we
can't from the outside. You can't picture any of that
because what is he really like when you're on the
team and all that. Yes, I mean he's protective of
his team and his players, and I think we pay
more attention to him at the podium than we do
on the players. So I think it's masterful how he
takes that. You know that whatever he takes at the
(14:48):
podium and now it's about him versus the players and
what's going on. But I think you know to be
able to be around players for a number of decades
because the player changes, right, The player has changed so
much from when I came in till now. The way
they digest information, the way they communicate, the social media,
(15:09):
everything has changed about the player. So to get these
players to buy in, you got to be able to
understand where they come from, how they communicate, how they
are now, how they're wired. And I think he does
a great job of being old schooling being now like
in the now with the millenniums, and being able to
(15:30):
get guys to buy in and play at a certain
level consistently. You know, it's powerful when you can get
a group of men to buy into team versus individualism,
and when you can do that and to play unselfish,
to be unselfish and do that, I think it's a
powerful thing, and I think it creates for consistency and success.
(15:51):
It's the eye couple joined by three time Super Bowl
champion Willie McGinnis. And you can see Willie throughout the
week on NFL Networks NFL Total Access at even pm
Eastern from Atlanta, and on Super Bowl Sunday, NFL Network
will provide eight and a half hours of pregame coverage
from Atlantic. Gonna been making some big money starting at
(16:11):
nine am Eastern. Now, really, here's the one thing about
Bill Belichick. I don't understand when they talk about the
Patriot way and the philosophy that he has, how come
it hasn't been able to transfer over to those assistants
who were there who went on to go take, you know,
other jobs. Is it more about just Bill and and
(16:32):
Brady and maybe not something that you could take elsewhere
and succeed with because none of his guys from his
tree have been able to duplicate any kind of success
away from Bill. Sure, Billy O'Brien has won a division
three times other than him, There's been a lot of
other guys. Well what I'm saying, there's a lot of
other guys too. Is Josh mc daniels, right, No, Josh
mc daniels from Woman couldn't know what about what's Charlie,
(16:57):
Charlie Wi Charlie Weiss was there? Everybody here, everybody and
you look, you look at a lot of different coaching trees,
whether it's the Andy Reid coaching tree or or or
the Don Shoela coaching tree or Bill wash Okay, right,
like everybody's not everybody can't be a head coach. Like
(17:18):
there's a lot of coordinators that go out and they fail, right, everybody.
There's more to being a head coach of just x's
and those and lining up guys and having a whistle
on the clipboard. There's a lot of things that go
into that. And when you go into different situations, everybody
wants the next Sean mcvayh right, that coaching tree now
a two year old tree. But body who had a
(17:41):
cup of coffee and a sweet role with him they're hiring.
But look at what he went into. Sean McVeigh is
brilliant and his ability to connect with players and his
his his knowledge and he's a student of the game. Right,
But look into the system he went into. You know,
you had less need as a gym. You had Kevin Dimoff,
You have structure. You had a hell of a roster, right,
you had a hell of a rosteral, So you had
(18:03):
a lot of a lot of support and structure around you.
Some of these other coaches don't go into that. They
don't have the power of the fifty three man roster.
They don't have the power to manipulate and move the
cap and make those type of decisions. There's other people
in the way. So you got to have that power
if you go into another system. All those coaches don't
have that. They all try to find it, they all
(18:23):
try to emulate it, but everybody's not doesn't have that
from top to bottom. So when you look at some
of these coaches, Ma Patricia, he's in Detroit, he's trying
to create that. He's got the gym on his side,
New England, right, So they got guys that they got.
Peli's in Atlanta too. He was in the Super Bowl
two years ago, so you know he's an assistant gym
(18:44):
over there. So he was in the Super Bowl. So
you gotta understand, man, there's a lot of coaches that
are not meant to be head coaches, regardless of what
tree they come from. And there's other guys that don't
have the support group or the structure that Bill has
earned in New England. Should we not waste thirty seconds
and ask you who you picking in the game. I'm not,
I don't. I'm still I'm still watching tape. I don't.
(19:06):
I don't watch you. You don't just I'm eight No,
I'm ain't. No. This year, from when the playoffs started,
I picked every team. I don't do spred Okay, yeah
see I like that. I'm the same. I'm talking a
regular season. I don't when when when the when? The when?
(19:26):
We when the playoff teams? When all the teams were picked,
I have not lost the game. The only the only
game I did you pick the soup like the only
tam I lost was the Bears. I didn't pick. I
picked the Bears to be filling if the dude makes
the field goal. Before the playoffs started, did you pick
a Super Bowl champion? Because yeah, we had Tom we
had to, But I picked I picked Patriots Saints two
(19:49):
months out and then after uh, the Rams beat the Cowboys,
I switched my pick to the to the Rams being
in the Super Bowl because I took them because I
saw the adjustments they meet against the Cowboys, and I
agree with you. I did the same exact thing, and
I didn't like the way the Saints were playing right right,
so I took them. Thank you, great stuff, man, you
(20:10):
do a great job. Man. Come man, we all when
we'll bring the family man. You know, Fox Sports Radio
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(20:32):
There's a report rob that Dell Dimps, the GM general
manager for the New Orleans Pelicans. Of course, the embattled
Dale Dimps, now that his best player, Anthony Davis, wants out.
Remember this happened to the Pelicans a few years ago.
Chris Paul wanted out, and now Anthony Davis does. But
the report is that he's not answering the phone for
(20:54):
trade calls. You know what, more power to Dale Demps.
If Anthony Davis doesn't want to play fair, then why
should Dell dimp Right, I don't I think he'd be
idiotic to trade Anthony Davis before February seventh, the trade deadline.
(21:15):
I agree with you, Chris, and I also think that
people don't understand this is a multi million dollar business,
right and you have people to answer to, not just
the people buy tickets. You have sponsorships and people who
are paid money. You know who answers to who, who
(21:36):
deals with you when they're not happy? Yes, your owner,
your president, whoever, Absolutely no, no question. But and and honestly,
this may very well, I might even say probably cost
Dale Demps's job. Might probably will about to lose your
best player. He's got a year left on his deal,
and so I'm fine with Dell Dimp's doing this. Look,
(21:58):
Boston may be able to make you the best offer,
and you should Why wait till they can get involved
and then you'll know where their picks are too. Also
wait because maybe the Knicks have that pick. So you
need to let the season whatever it is. And then Chris,
you could go, Okay, this is bad. We're not ever
gonna get fit equal value for a guy like that,
(22:20):
But I need to make sure we get another star
to replace, right right, central young star who we're gonna
have for the next five or six years. Worst comes
the worst, and you don't deal with Boston or New York,
you can always go back to the Lakers. Lebron James
is not about to sit by for another year of mediocric, right,
(22:42):
and he's going to demand you get Davis whatever it takes.
And those guys are still gonna be there, right, So
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Sources close to Linzo Ball say he doesn't want to
(23:05):
get traded to the New Orleans Pelicans. He would rather
get traded to Chicago or New York because in New
Orleans he doesn't want to go to a place where
their point guard situation is already established. Now, let me
run down the backcourt the point guard. Let me hear
(23:25):
these players, Let me hear these players that that Linzo
doesn't want to compete again. Let me hear this for
playing time. These are these old guys who made All
NBA last year or something. I don't know. Far from it.
Alfred Peyton, who e Twine Moore, who Ian Clark who
You're right, who Linzo? If you can't compete with them,
(23:52):
if you don't want to compete with them, then I'm
sorry you're not a starter in this league. Can I
say this, Chris to Lonzo hasn't played well enough to
be worried about anybody else. Worry about your own game,
and you should. You should be willing to take on
a challenge to prove yourself, get an opportunity to get
(24:14):
back out there and be worried about improving your game
and not who else is on the team right, And
it looks terrible because again, Elfred Payton would be in
the bottom ten of point guards in this thirty team league.
And if you are afraid to compete with him, then
I'm sorry. Something's wrong. Now here's the thing. I don't
(24:38):
think it's just, if at all, a fear of competing
with those three guys I name, because the Pelicans have said,
according to sources, that they view Linso as a future starter,
that they would like to give him thirty five minutes
a game next to Drew Holliday, who they think is
more of a two guard. I think it's really about
the market, you know, because the teams he mentioned he'd
(25:02):
like to go to New York Chicago. Now, granted they
don't really have point guards either, but they're big markets.
So that's what Linzo and Lavarre and his camp is
thinking about getting to a big market. They don't want
to be in the small market of New Orleans. But
to your point, dude, you're not good enough yet. If
(25:24):
you have to play in freaking Oklahoma City, Sacramento, the
La Clippett, whatever market, it may be the worst market
in the league, you better go do it, absolutely and
you better be careful about wishing to go play in
New York as well. You don't know that, and I
know that because we've both written for New York papers.
(25:44):
It ain't an easy play. You shoot forty five percent
from the free throw, ain't gonna let you hear about.
You're gonna be you. You will be booed. You're absolutely right,
absolutely right. So Lions, don't think about that when you
talk about teams you want to go to. Fox Sports
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