Robert Kraft's Not So Happy Ending

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has been charged and arrested on charges of soliciting a
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as I said, Olden, we got to talk about mister
Robert Craft. Everything was going great for the Patriots. They
defied all the odds, they shut up all the naysayers,
and they won their sixth Super Bowl. They've been to
nine now, more than any franchise in history. And everything

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was going great until this morning when news broke that
their owner, seventy seven year old seventy seven year old
Robert Craft, has been arrested and faces misdemeanor solicitation of
prostitution charges down in Florida. He was at a massage

(04:53):
parlor getting you know, happy endings. I guess that's the
They say they have him more in film on video.
So he's denying it. We have to throw that in
and of course you're INNOCENTI proven guilty. He has denied
it in no uncertain terms and said he has not

(05:14):
broken the law. In fact, he used they used the
word categorically denies any illegal activity. Yet he has been charged.
So what are your thoughts on this? Old Well? As
much as I hate the Patriots and I would be
the happiest man in the world being a New York
Giants fan. I can't be happy with this only because

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once again we are already, from what I've seen online
and everything else, people already h crise find this man
that he's guilty. Let the thing play out. We don't
know what happened, and if he's denying it, I'm gonna
roll with him until the legal process, you know, finishes.
But my thing is when I was seeing people saying, oh,

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you know, what does this mean for the Patriots and him?
And as an owner, it brings me back to Donald Stirling,
you know. I mean, I don't care what somebody does
in the privacy of the day home. That man should
not have lost his team. Not for that. I've been
on record. He should not have lost. I don't it

(06:19):
did say. There's a lot of sensitivity. There's a lot
of sensitivity out there. I'm just getting too tired of it. Okay,
everybody's sensitive. You can't say anything anymore, you can't do anything, okay.
So but coming back to Robert Kraft, but that's a
strong statement though, because and I feel you Look, I'm
just gonna keep it real. As a black man, I

(06:41):
was glad he lost his team with a league that's
eighty percent black or seventy six percent, whatever it is.
I was glad he lost his team because he was
profiting off of people he didn't seem to respect the
entire racing where I agree with you again, I was
glad to see it happened, but I knew this is

(07:02):
a really shaky precedent, slippery slope. Yeah, I mean we
opened up a Pandora's box, Okay, because the only reason
that I was upset with it he was always cool
with me, so I never you know, there were some
issues here and there, but he never. He was never
racist towards me or ratio or anything like that. So
my point was the man's in his home, in the

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privacy of it. I don't care if he said he
hates all black people. I don't get if he called
everybody d N word. It doesn't make it right. That's
my whole point, based on how everything happened. Now, if
they want to get him for all the other stuff
he's done over the years, I understand that illegal activity. Yes,
I understand all that, but don't get him for this

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one because this was the least of it. Because he
did it in the privacy of his home. So now
you're saying, no one can say anything at home, no
one can do anything. But getting back to Robert Kraft,
it's the same thing. This man is seventy seven years
old and again man, and he's a man. Man have
needs no matter how old you are. So he wants

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to go get a happy end now to poster child
for the dirty old man. Yeah, but he wants to
get a happy Hey, he's been hand with Meek Mill
and everybody else's. He got his chain on and everything.
But at the end of the day, you know what,
it's illegal, but nobody got hurt. It's I mean, come out.
We have bigger fish to fry in this world. Why

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is it that we are always holding sports figures or
people are involving sports to a high standard than they
should be. You know, but yet a politicians, the people
that make all these rules and laws that affect our
daily lies. Nothing Robert Kraft does affects my life except

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you know, I get upset when his patriots win a championship.
Stay upset then whatever. You know, we got him a
couple of times. But my point is it's not he
should not be held to any higher standard than we
should have. For people in office, so to speak. No,

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we have a president that talks about grabbing you know, right,
the coucie and all that stuff, so come by. This
is ridiculous, man, the man did it. It's a mismeter
and it's like a part of a bigger thing because
they had over two hundred arrest so down there and Frauda.
They're just grabbing everybody. It doesn't even matter whether you're
guilty or not. They're just grabbing everybody in these things. No, no,

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no question about it. You make some good points. I
can't stand hypocrisy, and there's a lot of double standards
in hypocrisy going on right now. Now. What he did,
was it illegal? I don't agree with what he did.
I don't agree with that type of lifestyle. However, as
you said, our president who's in office right now, was

(09:58):
called on tape bragging about sexually harassing women, talking about
it openly. A former president, Bill Clinton was in office
and messed around with an intern who was the same
age as my daughters. I would be pissed. I would
be ready to beat somebody down for doing that, sir,

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all right, And he didn't lose the presidency of the
United States so any talk about taking away the team
from Robert Craft for this is ridiculous, and I think
people know that nobody he's not going to lose his team,
and he shouldn't. And you can go further. I mean,
we glorify this type of behavior in movies, in music.

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It's entertainment for us, and they could get get rid
of all that as far as I'm concerned. But as
long as you are promoting stuff like this, as long
as going to a strip club is now just like
going to a restaurant, that's how people view it is
no different than going to Hardy's or McDonald's or something,

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then how are you gonna jump on this man for
doing something like this? All that said, right, all that said,
there does need to be some punishment for this simple fact.
It is illegal. Whether you think it's really that bad
or not, it is against the law. And the NFL
has stated it has a personal conduct policy and players, employees,

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and owners even are subject to it. Some of the
things it says. It says conduct by anyone in the
league that is illegal. This is illegal, violent, dangerous, irresponsible,
you could call this irresponsible, puts innocent victims at risk,
damages the reputation of others in the game. It could
damage a reputation and undercuts public respect and support from

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the NFL. It does undercut public respect for an owner
in the NFL and by extension, maybe the NFL in general.
So he's violated the he has violated the personal conduct policy.
He should suffer some consequences if found guilty. I would
say something like a four game suspension. Robert Ursay got

(12:17):
six games a few years ago for driving under the
influence of drugs. That's worse because you're really putting lives
in danger. So I'll say four games, you're fine. What's
the fine? Gonna do the Robert Craft, Yeah, find him
because you got to. But I think something like that
is appropriate. Well, I guess four games. I was gonna
say if they gave him six games, that would have

(12:39):
been too much. Again because he's not as bad considered illegal.
But again, no one got hurt. We've seen all the videos,
feel you, Yeah, I mean until they changed the law,
you know, yeah, until they changed the law. But to me,
what's gonna happen is the same thing that happened with

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They're gonna hit him based on past transgressions. But you
think they're gonna try to take the team. No, I'm
not saying they're gonna take that, but he will get
hit at least six only because of you know, spygate
and everything else. Possibly, possibly, there's there's no question about that.
Um Hey, like I always say, lad, he is without

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sin cast the first stone. We'll keep reading because then
then Jesus told that woman go ahead and go away
and sit no more? Right, go ahead, and he forget
that part, Yeah, forget the s sitting no more. So
first right, we say to Robert Kraft, We're not judging you, brother,

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but sitting no more. Stop stop hitting the massage parlors.
All right, you seventy seven man, you need to be
getting ready for the next time I come and talk
about the fact that he has a thirty nine year
old girlfriend. Yeah, why is he in massage party? You
got a thirty nine year old girl? Is she a
model or something like that? I mean he on the
actress or something. Yeah, he he don't need to be

(14:06):
like that. But let me say this though, old. The
one thing that that potentially could make it a lot
more serious is the supposedly what the what the officers
are saying the police that this. These massage parlors were
targeted because they were involved in human trafficking and these

(14:28):
girls who were there as the prostitutes, were being held
against their will and forced into this type of behavior.
And so now Robert Craft may have not known that.
I guess chances are he had no idea that was
the case. If it comes out that he knew that,

(14:50):
that takes it to another level, and that would really
be No, That's what I'm saying. He probably didn't. I'm
just saying if it comes out that he did, no,
that's all I'm saying. And again I don't think he did.
But if he did, then it goes to another level.
Would you would agree with that? I do agree with that,

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But because then you're involved in exploitation, Yo, billionaire, Have
him come to your house. Got a Vegas it's legal there. Yeah,
you could accuse him of stupidity. You could definitely do that,
all right. It's Olden Polonie and Chris Bruce are If
Robert Kraft did what the police allege he did, what
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Robert Kraft, one of the most powerful men and really
one of the most respected men in the NFL, has
been charged with misdemeanor solicitation of prostitution. And here is
the sheriff in Florida, South Florida. Can you confirmed for
us that that name is the high profile of individual

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and professional sports franchise owner that we believe it to be.
Could you please speak to that name in that situation, Yes, sir,
he is one of the individuals. He is. That would
be mister Robert Kraft, Robert Crafty, owner of the New
England Patriots. Yes, sir. And what if he being charged
with He's being charged with the same offenses as the others,

(18:49):
and that is soliciting another to commit prostitution. Their video
evidence of different wedge shots, yes, sir, for all the
individuals being charged. All right, there it is. They've got
video evidence. They say, Now Robert Kraft has categorically denied
doing anything illegal, but the sheriff says they've got him

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on videotape. All right, it's your turn to weigh in.
Hed better be careful what he says. All you're turned
away in eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven,
seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. Let's start
with GW in Cincinnati. GW, what's happening man? What's it
going on? Chris? What's going on? Old? And how you
guys going on a Friday? Man? All right? You know

(19:33):
like Chris and oh the God love you man, because
I love your angles that you come from. But what
we just heard from the sheriff. We can play the
innocent to proven guilty? Are we want? Apparently they got
him on tape, and unless he's ready to play the
that's not me. The old man with the gray hair
on the table, black naked, he's a billionaire. He could
have sued him for legal so they obviously got evidence

(19:55):
on him. No, I agree. I mean I'm saying innocent
to improven guilty, old and of course he's sticking by that.
I think he probably did it. I mean I have
no evidence. Of course, I don't know anything nobody else knows,
but they said they have him one tape. He's a
powerful person. I don't think they're bringing these types of
charges without really knowing what they're doing. So yeah, if

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you ask me gut feeling, yeah, I think he got
caught with his pants down. Ter say this oldest behalf.
Now you talked about all the things that he did
prior to this. This is why you go from four
to sixth games. He actually has priors, a whole five gade,
Flay Inflation, Gabe ball Gate, all the other gates and this,

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And there's like the whole idea that these women were
sex flaves and we're dude thinking they were going to
like work at a Chinese restaurant or something, and they
end up into the masage. Probably. So this is an
embarrassment to the league. Of course, players and every advocate
out there is going to be friends. Hey, if a
player had done this and all the other things behind it,
he would have gotten a six game. So all the
things are going to come down on him, and it's

(20:57):
his fault, not anybody else's. That's where I think it
could this. This could really get serious if and again
I would assume he doesn't know or didn't know that
they were sex slaves. But if he did, if he
knew that's what this type of place was, then that's
when it really gets serious and you're talking about a
lot more than a four or six game suspension. Hey.

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But my point was the fact that it was to
the point of everybody saying, oh, he's gonna lose his
team already. You know that was gonna talk, and I'm like,
can we at least let this name play out? You know?
So that's why I was pretty mature for what we know.
All right, let's go to Bob in Los Angeles. Bob,
you're on with Chris and Olden. Hey, Chris, Uh, I

(21:38):
just wanted to say that I listened to Colin Cowherd
every morning, and I just the best part about his
show is when you come on and you make uh,
you start talking and I love your segments. Oh, thank you,
madam Ope. I loved it when you used to play
it for the Clippers. You never took crap from anybody.
I love your style of play. Thank you. But you know,
I just wanted to say, you know, we're all looking

(21:59):
at this a long point of view. You know, I'm
not gonna go into that sixth trade talk. You know,
that's obviously a bad point, but you know, the guys
seventy seven and he's still looking for some action. I mean,
isn't that something that kind of for that? Yeah? Yeah,
I mean I know, if Row Parker is there, he'd
be like, yeah, you know, that's that's something to kind

(22:21):
of kind of look at him. Robert is almost that
dude's age. Rob's almost the same age, and he's still
looking Yeah. Rob Rober I applauded the fact that he
was seventy seven with a thirty nine yearld model girlfriend. Yeah,
that's why I don't understand why he's at a strip mall,
at a massage part right, a strip mall of all places? Yeah,

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a little bit hot. All right, one more call. Let's
go to Billy in Dallas. Billy got about thirty seconds.
All right, what's up, Chris friend? Who's happening? Hey? Bro?
I think real quick man, lead leader guy alone. Look,
if that's what had happened in Vegas, it wouldn't even
be an is It's still what he did is not right.
But if it was in Vegas, it's just a different state.

(23:04):
Different states have different laws, So I mean, the guys
that went to Vegas has away. I mean, he can
do what he want to do. What's the big deal
about that. I don't understand why people are making a
big deal. But if he'd did it in Vegas, we
wouldn't even be talking about it. Bro, But you know why.
But also, Chris, you heard the sheriff right the other

(23:27):
gentleman that they didn't mention anybody else. They got the
one they wanted. They got the name that's gonna get
them to know the rights. They were going after him. Listen,
come on, didn't name everybody else. Don't just say Robert Kraft.
Name all the individuals that got picked up that moment. Well,
Adam Shafter of ESPN, who's one of the most plugged

(23:47):
in NFL reporters, he says, there are bigger names on
the list. Well put them fans want, but look, they
put them my fan. Why is it you singling just
Robert Kraft at this moment because people like you hate
the Patriots. You know, that's why you need to get
on the Patriots bandwagon and start cheering for the chance

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that's never gonna happen. Movie onid Lebron James says he's
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Patriots owner Robert Kraft with two misdimmuners for solicitation of
a prostitute. Crafts People issued a statement saying, quote we
category categorically deny that mister Kraft engaged in any illegal
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how are you doing? My life is easy. I'm having fun,
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out there, George. There could the money. The money must
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your name in a hat. You know, I'm blessed and
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I see the game pretty well. And you know, I'm

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watched a lot of basketball. I probably don't watch as
much as if I was coaching, but I still watch
a lot of basketball. Hey, coaching probably the Tar Hills.
The Tar Hills last night unt like they did well.
Of course without Zion, they still wouldn't won the game.
I still think they would have won. They would have
won the game. It would have been closer, but they

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would have won the game. How would they had a
better team. Come on, stop it better? Really? Yes, I
believe Carolina is better than do coach Carl. Let's start there, then, George.
Everybody's given their opinion on what Zion Williamson should do.
It just seems like it's a minor sprain these day
to day. Uh what do you think? I mean? There
are those that say he should shut it down and

(28:47):
just get ready for the NBA Draft, where will be
the number one pick. What's your opinion on the matter.
I hope he doesn't. I hope he plays. I hope.
I'm old school there, and you know I'm if his
team wins an n H championship, he'll never forget that year.
It'll be a memory in his life that he'll never
never give up. And I know it's not you know,

(29:10):
it's not worth the millions of dollars he's gonna make.
I just have a feeling when you start thinking about injury,
you get injured if you don't think about it, if
you don't think about it and you just play hard.
Like I like his personality, I like his smile. He
has an energy that's good for basketball. And I think
his karment is this is a freak injury it's not

(29:33):
going to be that bad. Get healthy and go back
and get hot in the NSABLE tournament. How coach, how
convinced are you that he'll be a superstar in the NBA. Uh?
I like him because he doesn't really play. He plays

(29:54):
the game very uniquely. He's left handed, which is which
is also more difficult to figure out. So I think
here's a damn good chance of it. The one thing
is I have not been able to see if he
can cover the three man or the two man, if
he could be able to be versatile enough to be

(30:15):
able to play outside very very aggressively, and then of course,
you know I mean a guy like him is it's
basically if they cover him with a big guy, go outside,
and then they cover him with a little guy, go inside.
And that's an easy way to coach. But I love
his personality. I love his grid right now, and I

(30:36):
think what we saw when he got hurt, you know
there's some leadership there because this team was like leaderless
when he went out. A coach, my question kind of
like twofold. I was with you for a couple of
days and Sacramento, watching practices and everything, and I remember
how things were with m Boogie Cousins and you say

(30:59):
that this was an itch to coaching again and that
you wouldn't mind doing it. Do you think that your
style or does anything have to change for you based
on how these young players are today. Well, I've always
felt that as a coach, and I thought earlier in
my career and even later in my career, I changed

(31:21):
a lot. I was changing for sake of the game.
And I also think it's the sake of the business.
You know, the money is so much bigger than it was.
The brand of players is important. What you say in
the in the newspapers now is dynamically engaged by a

(31:41):
news newsday that if you say something wrong, it's going
to blow up on you. And then of course you
throw social networking in there, and it's it's definitely a
changing game. It's always been a changing game, but because
of the situation of Internet and the waste sports is
being covered twenty four hours a day, it's becoming even

(32:04):
a bigger, bigger part of you know, you gotta evolve,
you gotta change, you gotta make, you gotta adapt. Okay, Now,
my my next one, are you pro analytics or con
I love analytics? When it fits my eyes and in
my heart. Hello, thank you. That's what I've been saying.
We've been doing analytics since the beginning of time now,

(32:27):
they just haven't putting it down on paper. No, I
don't think there's any question that my my game is
somewhat an analytic. When I was in h yeah, I mean,
I mean well, I mean we played very fast, and
I think now everybody wants to play fast because it's easy.
It's an easier game. Defensively, I think right now the

(32:49):
league is kind of there's an imbalance going on in
where the offense is has an advantage over the defense.
But someone's going to figure out the defensive end of
the court, and this is always a challenge. I mean,
that's what's great about NBA basketball. It's the best players,
the best referees, and the best coaches trying to figure
out who's the best in the world. It's the eye couple.

(33:11):
We're joined by former NBA Coach of the Year George
Carl George, you had great success in Denver coaching Carmelo Anthony,
and now he's trying to get back in the league.
Nobody seems to want him. Why do you think he
can't get a spot in the league right now, Well,
I really think it's basically his last two or three stops,

(33:34):
his last two or three years in the league, he
has showing a little bit of a resistance to go
to the bench and playoff the bench. And I think
that's where we as most coaches. I said that three
I I sat that probably when I was working in
the ESPN that he would be an unbelievable or good
sixth man. I still think he could be a great

(33:55):
bench player for a very good basketball team. But he's
ever shown that he's adaptable to that personality of his game.
And you know, and I think right now, I don't
think there's any question right now that he's falling into
the old the older player that wants to be a
leader in the locker room. And I think some people

(34:17):
are a little bit afraid that his leadership of you know,
of individuality might be more powerful than being an old
Metro trying to help the young guys figure out the
game of basketball. Last thing, coach, we got about a
minute left. The NBA is now looking at getting rid
of the one and done rule and letting guys come
straight out of high school to the draft. You, of

(34:38):
course coached in the league when that was legal. Do
you would you like to go back to that where
guys can go straight from high school to the pros.
I don't think there's any problem, but my ruin, my
one worries there's a lot of guys that have gone
from high school to the pro ball that have failed
at time and have not have gotten nothing from the

(34:59):
game of basketball. I don't know if we can protect
from those guys, and I don't know if even if
the rule change might be then if you go, if
you go and get cut on the high school, can
you go back to college. I think that would be
a good adaption to the rule because you know, I
think some players, you know, their ego says I can

(35:22):
play and then pretty soon one year, you know, one
month in then they get cut or they they can
definitely see that they should go to college. I think
that avenue should be open to them if possible. Yeah,
I agree, I agree, coach. I think the G League
could be a safety net for these guys that don't
make it, and then you're right, I think they should

(35:44):
be able to go right back to college if they
don't get drafted or something like that. All right, George,
go ahead, go ahead. I just think the student athlete
is a big part of what basketball has been and
if we can continue to have a great relationship with
the hands stub away, I think it's your win wins
for everybody. All right, coach, great stuff, we appreciate and

(36:08):
we hope to see you back on the sidelines at
some point. Okay, go ahead again, I'm available, big Man's coach, George. Thanks.
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In a big game last night in the NBA as
they returned from the All Star break, the Lakers, and
really a must win situation, beat the Houston Rockets. James Harden,
who leads the league in free throw attempts with eleven

(37:15):
a game, only went to the file line seven times.
He also fouled out, as did fellow Houston Rockets superstar
Chris Paul. Now, how often you see one, let alone
two superstars ever foul out of an NBA game. You
never see that. And uh, James thought it was personal.

(37:37):
You see it when they falling. You knows, you know,
I'm joking to get to a bigger point. All right,
Let's let's hear what Let's hear what Harden said first,
and then you weigh in. Give us your take, all right.
Chris Simmer comments Puster last year in the pusseason Lee

(37:58):
and in the Western Commerce funal. I think he afficiated
a couple of our games, and it just is lingering,
and it's something that unastly looked at it. For sure,
you feel like there's a it's a personal, yeah, for sure,
for sure, it's personal for sure. Like I don't think
he should be able to even, you know, officiate our
games anymore. Honestly, those are strong charges old. What do

(38:21):
you think do sometimes referees get personal with players and teams?
Of course they do. I was playing when Scott Foster
came into the League of ninety six, and he's always
been like that, and so they shouldn't take a personally.
But I do see where Harden and Chris Paul are
coming from because and to Harden's point, it was three
games that he refereed and they lost all three, including

(38:42):
games seven in the Western Conference finals. And that's not
just coincidental. Come on, now, you know there's something true
to it, because it's like you're the guy. And also
I don't know, maybe every time they see him, you know,
it might play a psychological game with them. But I
do know that every time Scott us the referees these guys,
you know he's gonna have it out farm. I've seen

(39:03):
it in the past. Tom Chambers was a teammate of
mine in Seattle. He made a comment about a referee
and they went amongst himselves said he will never get
a call again. And so now you can't do that,
you know, you can't predetermine that a guy will not
get calls right and so terrible. Yeah, and so to me,
it's it's it's a tough situation. But you know, we

(39:24):
do have these referees, and he was voted the worst
referee anonymously by you know, a bunch of players when
they did the surveys. So it's not like these guys
are just speaking out, you know, out there is it's like, hey,
we have proof of it, because we have it's consensus
around the league that this guy is one of the
worst referees, only because he's one of those rests you

(39:46):
can't talk to, you know, you can't go to. Yeah,
you know, that's why I got Danny Crawford was voted
the best because Danny Crawford is a guy. He'll make mistakes,
but you can go to him and say, hey, Danny,
I think you missed that one, and he'll be out
you know what the okay, I'll check it, you know
at halftime, right right. Nah, that's important and I agree,
and I think obviously Scott Foster is a veteran official,

(40:09):
but you know, oh, they got a lot of new
officials in the league, and we've seen it over the
past several years. These new officials don't want to hear
it from the players, and they're teeing them up quickly.
They don't let the players engage with them, and I
think you have to find a balance. Of course, the
players shouldn't contest every call, but there also should be
able to be some back and forth where players can

(40:31):
question the call or even it even could be joking.
I'm sure you probably joked at times with Dick Bavetta.
He was really good at at calming down a situation
with his humor. Lesten, I love Dick Bavetta. I remember
my rookie year. He made a mistake, and you know,
he came to me and said, you know why I
missed that one? He said, go to the hole. I'm like,

(40:52):
go to the hole. The next time I went to
the basket, he gave me a call. I wasn't sure
if I got filed or not, but I was like, okay,
they all go to the hold, take it right, right, Nah,
that's good. I'll say this Olden. The Lakers went to
the foul line thirty eight times. That a lot more
than Houston. If stuff like this continues, superstar ponies start

(41:14):
fouling out, people are gonna think the league's trying to
get Lebron in the playoffs. I couple keep it locked.
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quote and old and right after the next day, I believe.
After Zion Williamson injured himself in the Duke North Carolina

(41:56):
game on Wednesday, the NBA a report comes out that
the NBA is looking to drop the age requirement from
nineteen to eighteen, get rid of the one and done
rule in college, and allow players to go straight from
high school into the NBA. What are your feelings on this, Well,

(42:17):
I've always felt that kids should have been able to
come out of high school because you know, you can
die for your country at eighteen, but you can't go
play professional basketball at eighteen. It didn't make sense, and
so this is something that they've been talking about, you know,
changing it for the draft, and you know, I think
Zion getting hurt like really put a focus right back

(42:39):
on it again. But again my point is being the
NBA has you know, we've let guys come out of
high school and then we don't. Then we let them
come out of high Sea and then we don't. Hey,
let it be what it is. The NCAA will continue thriving,
They'll continue making money off of kids, you know, whether
it's one and done or not, because they in doing

(43:00):
it for so many years and they're not willing to
admit the truth that this is professional basketball. Okay, on
the college level, it's still professional ball because somebody's getting
paid and so to me, everybody's getting paid exces and
so to me, let them come out if they want
to do it. It's a it's about choices, you know,

(43:22):
it's not about well, they're not ready, Okay, then if
they're not ready, then they got they got to make
the right choice for themselves. If you're not ready, you
better have great parents, great support systems to let you
know you're not ready. And these teams got to do
their homework and they're scouting as well. Because the last
time we went through this, you know, everybody wanted us

(43:43):
to save them from themselves. You know, as far as
like these gms, because they were making bad decisions, that's
your fault for making a bad decision on the young kid,
you know. You know, you know how long it takes
for guys to get into this NBA lifestyle, and so
if you're not doing your job, that's not on us.
But I do believe these kids got to have an

(44:04):
opportunity to make that decision for themselves. Do I go
to college or do I go to play pro basketball.
Here's what I think, Olden. I think what would be
best for the quality of play at both the collegiate
level and the NBA would be if guys stayed in
school two or three years and learn how to play basketball,

(44:26):
got some good coaching, and then enter the NBA more
ready to play. All that said, though, I think what's
fair in America is that if they're good enough at eighteen,
they should be able to go to the pros. So
I'm with you. I mean again, I think the league
would be better overall quality of play if gods stayed

(44:49):
in college a few more years. But I think what's
fair is that they could go straight out of high school.
I mean, it happens in baseball, It can happen in tennis,
it can happen in golf, so many sports, really, everything
except football and basketball. For the most part, you can
go pro straight out of high school. Football is understandable

(45:10):
because most of these kids would get maimed if they
went to the NFL straight out of high school. But
basketball that's not the case. So I'm with you. I
think one thing they need to do kind of this
time around, because it's gonna happen. They need to create
a safety net for the kids that aren't good enough. Now,
they're gonna be a lot of kids who declare for

(45:33):
the NBA draft they think they're better than they are.
They either won't get drafted or they might go in
the second round where there's no guaranteed money. I think
the G League is a safety net and these kids,
if they don't get drafted, they don't make it to
they don't make their teams, you know, their team. Even
if they are drafted in the second round, they should

(45:54):
be able to go down to the G League, get
paid and perform and try to get back to the NBA.
There should be another option. I believe that you can
go back to college and play, or go to college
and play. Like this rule that, oh, if they declare
for the NBA draft and they don't get drafted, they

(46:14):
can't ever play in college again, that makes no sense.
That's hogwash. When I was in college, I had an
internship at the Cleveland Playing Dealer newspaper, the biggest in Ohio,
and I got paid and it didn't affect my ability
to go back to college the next year. Any college student,
I mean, if you got some special prodigy out there

(46:37):
in engineering who gets a job with a great engineering firm,
he can get that job, get paid, and still be
a college student. Why does it have to be different
with athletes, because, as you said, this is not amateur
basketball or football, because everybody's getting paid except for the players.

(46:58):
You're gonna tell me, Mikesha Chef's he's an amateur basketball coach, Please,
that's what I look at that, you know what I'm saying,
coach for free. I could argue even for that for
that reason alone, the fact that some of these kids
are being exploited to the degree, for that reason alone,

(47:18):
they should be able to go to the NBA. But
I'm with you. Now, you played against in the era
where guys could come out of the league, and as
you said, the rule is gone back and forth. What
obstacles whether it's on the court or in the locker
room or off the court, just the lifestyle or whatever,

(47:39):
what obstacles are there for an eighteen year old who
comes straight out of high school. Everything everything comes into play,
the lifestyle, the traveling, the women, everything comes to play.
The financial aspects of it. You're getting all this money now,
you're not used to that. You know, your family's not used.
Most of the kids that are coming in that are
one and done, their families have always had financial struggles

(48:02):
and they're not used to having a million dollars, five
million dollars, whatever it is. And so to me, it's
everything it comes into play. And then physically you're not ready,
whether you think you are, you're not. You know, a
perfect example, like my son, he's six eleven, he's nowhere
near ready. He's gonna go to college. He's not a
one and done guy. You know, people have to be

(48:22):
honest with themselves. And these parents got to stop pivoting
their kids too. Okay, it's okay. That he goes to
college for a year or two if he's not ready
as supposed to trying to take the quick money. But
one of the things I wanted to say is this,
the NBA and the NCAA are partners. They've whether it's
on paper or not, we know that they're in partnership.

(48:45):
Why don't you guys actually do a partnership with these
one and done guys from a financial standpoint, you know,
you can subsidize it if they go to college. One
of the things I said was this, if a kid
goes to college, right, say he plays one year, pay him.
You put the money in that scrow. Okay, if he
if he leaves after one year, the money goes back
to the school. But if he stays four years and

(49:07):
he graduates and all that stuff, he gets to keep
the money. At least. Now you know everybody's getting something
out of it, you know, right now, Yeah, you know,
you just put the money in that scrow. And so
one thing, one thing I could see olden and you know,
how you pay college kids is a difficult, complicated thing. However,

(49:31):
I think one easy way it's simply to let them
capitalize on their likeness. So if Zion is so well known,
and he was even before he got the Duke. Everybody knew.
You see him on Instagram, you see him on YouTube,
all these dunks basketball people knew about him. He was
largely a superstar already. Okay, And if if he could

(49:54):
have capitalized doing that, and Nike or Adidas wanted to
give him a contract, let him do it. Or if
if you know, he gets if his jersey is selling,
he should get a certain percentage of it. If they
should be able to go out and sign autographs and
sign jerseys and the caps and get paid for it.
I think just that in and of itself that would

(50:16):
cost the college is nothing. The college. You wouldn't have
to say, and you wouldn't and you wouldn't have to
deal with Like let's say you got Zion, Like look
at the Duke team, and let's say Zion and RJ.
Barrett and even were throwing cam reddish. Let's see those
three can capitalize on their likeness. Shoe companies want to
sign them, People want their autographs, and they're willing to

(50:38):
pay for him to come and sign them at a
show or whatever. The other twelve guys on the team,
nobody's offering them a shoe deal. Nobody's offering them money
for their autograph or anything like that. Their jersey's not selling,
so they don't get paid. So now you don't have
to deal with well, should the sixth man make as
much as the team superstar because the team's still making money.

(51:03):
My point okay, Oh you know, my suggestion was to
give the kids the scholarship amount. Whatever that amount. So
if seventy thousand goes into escrow, okay, because you're giving
me the scholars quote unquote, you give me a scholarship
because it's just it's just a word. Because you know,

(51:25):
if you are giving me a scholarship and it's a
seventy thousand dollars scholarship, by one hundred thousand, okay, instead
of saying you're giving me a scholarship, you give me
one hundred thousand dollars, you put it in that scrow.
I still go to crack because I can go to
UCLA right now and get and learn. I just don't
get credit. But I can walk on campus and walk
into a classroom and learn anything I want and it'll

(51:46):
be free. So you know, I just don't get the
credit for So that scholarship is basically for them to
keep track of your you know of your transcript and
so to me put that one hundred thousand dollars in
that scroll. Again, if they leave after one year to
the NBA, they're making millions. The money goes right to
the school. You haven't lost anything. But if they stay

(52:07):
two years, they get two years worth of scholarship. Because
remember now the scholarship is every year. You don't get
a four year scholarship. These kids don't realize that it's
individual years. You gotta re up for your scholarship every
single year. So would you just do that for football
and basketball players? I would, But whoever guests a scholarship,

(52:30):
it doesn't matter if it's if I get a tennis scholarship,
it's the same thing. I'm still bringing kid isn't generating
money for you. Still are are still able to offer
them a scholarship, So you are making money because all
the money goes to the school. But there is something
for kids. For most students, most student athletes, the scholarship

(52:54):
by itself is legitimate. Like most student athletes aren't going
to make it to any time type a pro level,
So for them getting an opportunity to have a free
education is good. Trust me as a as a parent
who's paying for a college tuition for his children who
are not on scholarship, that's a big deal. I think

(53:16):
it really only exploits a handful of superstar players who really,
you know, bring in all the fans and things like that. Hey, Chris,
the NCAA, the amount of money they make starts with
the letter B, not the letter M. I get it, Okay,
So they can they can offset so many scholarships they

(53:38):
can pay because all these schools are getting money. And
so at the end of the day, they're getting money
from the football and the basketball. That's enough to not
the rest of it. That's enough to take care of
all the sports. But why should the swimmer get paid
when they're not bringing in I'm not saying get paid.

(53:59):
I'm saying, if you offer a kid a swimming second,
if you put that seventy thousand dollars in scrow and
I and if I graduate in four years, do I
get to two hundred and eighty thousand dollars? Okay, Well,
then then you can cut it in half. Then you
can figure out a way. There's ways to do this.
They just choosing not to do it because I don't
we don't want to pay the kids. And that's what

(54:19):
I'm upset. I agree with that. I agree with that.
That's where my arguments coming from. You know, it's the
fact that everybody's making money except the young men and women.
No question, no question, All right, it's your turned the way.
In eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox A seven
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(54:42):
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we're talking about the NBA's propose age requirement reduction. You

(55:47):
probably haven't heard it put that way, but that's what
it is. The NBA wants to drop the age limit
to eighteen, allow kids to come straight out of high
school again. And it's time for you guys to weigh in.
The listeners eight having seven ninety nine on Fox eight
seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. Let's

(56:08):
start it off with Mark in Sacramento. Mark, you're on
with the Odd Couple. How you doing? What's going on, gentlemen?
How you doing today? We're great. You guys got some
great ideas. Man, I want to I want to add
a couple of things to that. They are. They are
too relaxed. These spictums on leaving these kids work while
they're in school too, they don't they don't get a
chance to work. They tell them they can't go work,

(56:29):
they can't get a job while they're there. So it's
not you know, not leaving them even try to find
a part time. God, but they can get some money
in their pocket kind of hurts too. So they really
struck his kids. And I think that they should release,
you know, we leave some of those are systems allowing
these kids could work. And the other thing I think
they should do is that the scholarship thing. When I

(56:51):
hear people talk about, you know that they're get a scholarship,
well people don't realize because I had a brother that
happen to my younger brother, is that they can pick
that scholarship over any time they wanted, for any reason
they want to. So it's not guaranteed. So when they
say they get a scholars to them, yeah, well they
can take that at any time and get it to
somebody else at any time. So yeah, that's what Olden
was talking about. Yeah, those things come to playing. And

(57:13):
the last thing I wanted to say is, um, you know,
I'm an older guy and you know, it took us
a while to organize to get all point across the
things that we were protesting back in the day. You
don't kids to text tavvy and they know how to
organize and at some point that then it doesn't do this.
These kids are gonna organize and they're gonna boycott something
that Final four and if they did that, I bet

(57:35):
that they'll get their attention. They happened. Hello, there's no question.
Remember remember a couple of years ago when Missouri's football team,
the president was charged with racism. There was a kid
on campus who was fasting until the uh. The college
did something and the Missouri football team threatened not to

(57:57):
play in the game and then met imediately the president
was fired. Those kids didn't even miss a game. So
if college kids can do that, that that just shows you,
I mean, the power that pro players would have or
these college basketball players. You're right, if they threatened not
to play the Final four, things would change in a hurry.

(58:18):
Let's go to Quincy and Omaha, Quincy. Y're on with
Chris and Old in the odd couple. How you doing,
Fellows great, Thanks for having me on. I just have
a couple of quick comments. First, I think the rule
would be great to lift that and allow the guys
to jump straight from high school to pro. I think

(58:40):
basketball will be fine because a lot of the coaches
that struggle with continuity because they can't keep a kid
longer than the year or two. They'll get their four
year players the three year players, so it'll be strong
enough to compete and they'll be able to field teams
the Dukes North Carolinas. They'll be fine. As far as
the rule, I think the NCAA should have an oversight
committee so basically keep the agent side of the mix,

(59:03):
so there's a safety net or a fallback with these
kids so that they can come in, get the camps,
get raided, possibly, you know, find out if they're going
to cut the mustard and get drafted. That way, if
these kids that don't get drafted have no other options,
they don't have to go overseas to play in Europe,
they don't have to worry about G League. They can
still go back to college because they didn't accept any

(59:26):
contributions from agents. They didn't take any or anything inappropriate.
But I don't know how inappropriate it is. You know
it is right now according to the rules. They want
to keep up the facade that these kids are amateurs.
But you know, I don't know in real life is
it really that bad? And they criminalize these kids. If

(59:48):
a kid accepted some money, you know, he's criminalized when really,
I mean he's just getting you know, I mean, how
many kids are gonna turn that down? Especially if they
need it then they're families needed And a lot of
times the colleges go along with it. Look at the
sus ain't Kansas. He didn't even accept money. He can't

(01:00:09):
play right right. It's so much hypocrisy, it's ridiculous. Let's
go to Tommy Tommy in Florida. Time you're on with
the odd Couple. Tommy is Timmy in Florida? There time,
I guess Tommy, Timmy's gone. Let's go to Let's go

(01:00:32):
to Evan in Minnesota. Evan, you're on with Chris and Olden. Hey, fellas,
thanks so much for taking my call. I want to
say that I think the NBA is doing a huge
disservice to UH kids. I mean that are unable. I
think he had a previous scholar who said that they're
not going to college now, so they're not going to
be educated, They're not going to really have any support

(01:00:55):
going out of the NBA. Uh, there's a huge risk
for these kids to get involved with with big money
not really know what to do with it. And it's
kind of typical for what you see in modern day
America right now. You've seen a bunch of people who
make the upper echelon of society making a bunch of

(01:01:15):
money and they're exploiting the talent, the youth, whatever they
can to try to get more money. And this is
this is gonna You're gonna see a bunch of colleges
kicking back on this. They're not gonna support this um.
But really it's an NBA's decision. It really is. And

(01:01:37):
old and you'll know this, remember in two thousand and
five when they changed the rule back to you know,
one and done and you couldn't go straight out of
high school. There were two factors in that. One, David
Stern did not want NBA scouts in high school gyms.
He just felt that was untoward and at the time
he didn't want that to happen. Secondly, old and you

(01:01:59):
might remember this veterans. Veterans were like, look, these kids
who are coming out of high school right now, they
can't play as well as us they're not as good
as us, and they're taking our jobs just based on
their potential. I'm better than them right now, but I
can't get a job, can't get paid because they're giving
the jobs to these young kids who aren't as good

(01:02:20):
as me. And that's those are reasons that they change
the rule. Now everything's flipped old and these veterans, most
of the players, seem to be in favor of letting
the kids come straight out of high school. And I
understand that, but there was one other point that I
had failed to mention. The organization that has the best

(01:02:40):
system is baseball. You can still do that too. Now
you can use some sense of the baseball system, you know,
working your way up from the minor leagues. I mean, yes,
the G League was started to help guys get better.
So you can still have your young guy coming out
of high school. Hey, if he's not ready for the

(01:03:01):
NBA lifestyle and everything else, run him down to the
G League. Every team should have a team, you know,
that would be another option for them, you know, and
then you just stay that. I mean, in baseball, you
gotta go from single A, double a, triple A and

(01:03:22):
then you come up to the to the big Show.
Now you know that's the thing though, Uh, kid, we've
all grown up, especially our generation olden where college basketball
was king and playing in the NC Double A Tournament
in the pageantry and everything was great. And yeah, but
we were so want to go to the christ saying,

(01:03:47):
but I get it, But do the kid how many?
We'll see what the G League because next year, the
G League is gonna offer these high school kids one
hundred and twenty five thousand dollars and they can go
straight to the G League and they don't have to
go to college. They can get paid. Now, they won't
be on national TV, they won't get off the pub
and but lively, it's a guinea right now. Oposure options.

(01:04:11):
But they'll yeah, they'll have options. They'll have That's all
I'm saying. Give these kids options. All right. The NBA's
new age requirement could ruin college basketball, and that might
be a good thing. FS one basketball analyst Jim Jackson
will explain next, but first let's bring in Deb Carson
for the latest in sports deb All right, we're gonna
start with Major League Baseball. They have a new rule.

(01:04:32):
They're going to implement a twenty second pitch clock to
be used during spring training games in Major League Baseball,
Dodgers are shutting Clayton Kershaw down indefinitely. According to the
LA Times, Dave Roberts said the ace didn't feel right
after throwing a live bullpen session. Ace. Kershaw said, though
it's super early, quote, I just want to make sure

(01:04:52):
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regarding his injury. Twins have signed in fielder Marwin Gonzalas
to a two year, twenty one million dollar contract. Red's
pitcher Sunny Gray's going to miss his spring training start
on Saturday with a sore right elbow and on the
hardwood right now. Carl Anthony Town's not playing tonight for
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(01:05:14):
He's in concussion protocol right now. Te Wolves with the
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(01:05:37):
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(01:05:59):
Patriot owner Robert Kraft with two misdemeanors for solicitation of
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Our next guest is a fourteen year NBA veteran FS
one basketball analysts both college and pro. It's a pleasure
to welcome in. Jim Jackson. Jim, what's happening, man? Bro?

(01:07:04):
You got them read You got the reads down pack
now right. Hey, I've been practicing. I've been practicing. I
was shaky for a while. You got it now. It's like, dude,
you know O d what's up? Man? What's j J Hey?
I know one thing? JJ, we know you got paid

(01:07:25):
about he just worry about. Holy listen, I thought we
gonna ease our way into the company for the next man.
I think it's past the statue of limitations though, So
you get it though. I'll be honest with you though.

(01:07:47):
The way I grew up in Christian the Finnish from
being from Ohio, I worked every summer uh through high
school through college. I wor the dean with the two years,
and then I worked at Value City Furniture my junior year. Okay,
my father told me one thing. He said, listen, man,

(01:08:07):
if somebody give you something, they want something back, but
when there's now or later on. So I always had
a job. I didn't have to worry about that. I
didn't I didn't want to owe anybody anything. So I
never have to worry about that. That's real talk. That's
how Ohio dudes do it. Man. That's how you know
what right the pizza box or something I need to cheese?

(01:08:32):
Oh Man, Listen. I went to the University of Virginia.
Terry Holland slept with the rule buck. All right, Jim,
let's get to it this. The NBA's obviously proposing the
new age requirement letting kids go straight from high school.
Now you feel like this could ruin or you know,
really put a dent in the college basketball and that

(01:08:54):
might not be a bad thing. Well, it's shoot things.
One it's shoot things with the NBA. Keep in mind
the Union teams a couple of rules. The rookie salary
cap was put in place because players, especially veteran players,
wanted to make sure they were protected from slots and
also salary because a lot of rookies came in and

(01:09:15):
now that kind of filtered out and waned out a
lot of veteran players. So that's one of the reasons
why the rookie salary cap came into place. And also
some of the the eat veteran exceptions, so veterans who
still had value could still be able to play and
get paid a reason about an amount of money on
the back end of their careers without being phased out.

(01:09:37):
I'm all for free market a young man, and I
tried not to do this. Chris an op to look
at it from a black and white issue or a
racial issue. But here's the bottom line. Football and basketball
have restrictions on when you can go to the league.
And I understand football is a little bit different because
the body side the amount of physical nature that can happen.

(01:09:59):
But in baseball and hockey and gymnastics and golf, track
and field, at some extent you can go pro, you
can get a tutor, you can go and get your education.
But when it comes to football and basketball, in particular basketball,
it's like, well, these young men need to go to school.
Why because they're able to make millions of dollars right away.

(01:10:23):
What's the difference. They can still get tutors, they can
still get their post education later on. So why do
we put a restriction on these young men and take
away their earning potential at an early age when it's
their decision on what they want to do. That's my
big thing. Now, you're right, you're right now, now, Zion,

(01:10:46):
we saw what happened. He got hurt the other day.
A lot of people have weighed in, and a lot
of former NBA players and even some rookies are saying
he should shut it down, and others are saying, no,
he should play. What's your take on it, Op, You
don't understand that we're old schools. So a lot of
the old school players are gonna say, as you play

(01:11:06):
through injuries, you get back, you do this. It's a
different era. I think, first of all, he should do
what he wants to do. If he comes back and
it's just a spraying and he can play. For me
as a college basketball analyst and will be coover in
March Madness. I would love to see him come back.
But for me as someone that understands the dynamics of

(01:11:28):
college basketball, NBA power control has changed. It's not the seventies,
it's not the eighties. It's not the nineties, it's not
the early two thousands. It's a totally different thing. Look,
i'm gonna tell how to say Nick Bosa when he
got hurt. Okay, he chose not to play anymore. Okay,

(01:11:49):
that hurt our defense, House State football. But I respect.
It's a different era. So whatever he chooses to do,
I respect that. But the mindset is so different than
when old people we came out in prised. It's so different.
So it's older players don't understand it. They want to

(01:12:09):
stick to what it used to be. Why it's not
what it used to be. Jadavian Clowney showed you that
a long time ago when he chose to sit out
the era. That is totally different. If we're going to
be stuck in that mindset of what you got to
do this, you know these young men are thinking totally different, man,
totally different. I think coach kidneys have a consultation with

(01:12:31):
Design and his family and figure out what's best for them,
and the design come back and says, listen, I'm healthy.
I want to play. Let him play if he says,
you know what, for the best interest in my future,
I don't want to play. I want to ensure where
I'm at. I respect that as well. Hey, ja Ja,
I totally agree with you. But I have a question
for you, and it goes back to what you mentioned
earlier about the vets. I remember that, you know, when

(01:12:53):
you know, a lot of veterans were, you know, like
mad about young players coming in. But the question to
you is this, were you ever afraid of a young
fellow coming in and worry about him taking your job?
But you know I wasn't. But at the same time,
what happened is op, we didn't have the players didn't

(01:13:14):
have as much power back then as the players do now. Okay,
so a lot of veterans were getting cut out. They
keep in mind, when I came into the League of
ninety two, I ended up threatening the league with the
lawsuit of collusion, okay, saying I held out the longest ever.

(01:13:34):
I didn't time into February, the longest ever hold out
because it was a collusion case I had against the
NBA that said David Stern came and talk to these
owners and said, stop paying these rookies these long term
and big contracts. That's collusion. So I look at it
from a different business perspective. And when I came in
op and a lot of veterans who could play end

(01:13:58):
up getting pushed out the system because of a salary
system that wasn't allowed a team to pay them because
they paid a little bit more than what a rookie
would make under the cap. You know what I mean? Yeah,
oh no, I trust me, I know. But you know
where that comes from though, right, that's the whole Charlie
Grantham scenario. Yeah, because Charlie Grantham had it, Chris, I

(01:14:22):
don't know if you know about this. When we went
in that lockout, Charlie Grantham had it set up like
the way it was supposed to be. Veterans over ten
plus years were not gonna count against the cap at all.
So that means you can keep a veteran no matter what,
and it would not count against the cap. Well, some
of my brethren, you know, all the guys that were

(01:14:44):
with David Fogg decided, Hey, we're gonna have a coup
and basically get him out of there, and everything went
went to hell. Well we're here. Here's the thing too, though,
think about the ninety eight lockout, A lot of the
top players, true, I believe even I'm gonna say one
hundred percent, but I believe a lot of those guys
had a lot of balloon payments coming in that at

(01:15:06):
that time, so they weren't gonna lose that. So back then,
we older, we were a part of the union, was
the VP at one point. Yeah, we didn't have the
top players like a Chris Paul Lebron, James her Metal,
Amthony at the forefront of the union. Back then. They
always came in on the back end. After all the
stuff was that if we would have had a Michael Jordan,

(01:15:26):
the Patrick Hearing, the David Karl Malone at the beginning, yes,
we didn't. So it was an uphill It was an
uphill fight back then. Right, it's the I couple. We're
joined by fourteen year NBA veteran FS one basketball analyst
Jim Jackson. Jim, we got about a minute left Zion Williams,

(01:15:47):
and let's get back to him. The Knicks, and they
have a great chance to get the number one pick.
They have the worst record in the league. If they
get that number one pick, and presumably it'd be Zion,
would you trade it to New Orleans for Anthony Davis? No,
I would if if you have a cap room. And
I'm listening to what you said, Chris, you a great

(01:16:09):
point if they can get a Kyrie or a KD
about what it does for the league. And I love
a d I love him, but he has a history
of being hurt. Okay, you have a transformational player right
now in Zion that sells tickets. It's going to get
you on TV. That's so Gard's interests like no other

(01:16:29):
player besides Lebron in the last fifteen eighteen years. I
don't nobody else in the draft gives you that. Now,
our deep beard and a bunch of guys may be
a little bit more talented, may be more refined in
their game, but the immediate impact no one has that
So as as tintilating, as pencilating, as ad is. I'm

(01:16:51):
looking at if I got cap space to get these veterans,
these free agents plus a Zion. Come on, man, it's
you can't go wrong with that. If he ends up
not being the player we thought he was gonna be, Bro,
that's a calculator risk. Okay, you know what everybody else,

(01:17:12):
you know what else he looks like from what you
see a duke that he can be productive or highly
productive without the basketball, which would be critical if you
had k D and uh Kyrie with him. Well, he's
under he doesn't need the ball in his hands. He's like,
I mean, the young man understands his wrong how to play.
He loves his teammates. Okay, he's going to get better.

(01:17:35):
People talk about his way. I might listen when he
gets to the league. He'll get a dietician and he'll
get a personal training, all these things. So all that's
going to train and I love allome interview right right,
Rob g is in my ear saying, get him off,
get him off? All right? You know how he is? Man,
all right, Jim, great stuff. Man, We appreciate the time. Okay,

(01:17:59):
all right, man, peace, all right. An NBA Hall of
Famer has some strong words for Zion Williamson. We'll get
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talking to Jim Jackson and he said, how some of
the old school cats, some of the older players, they
got to realize it's a different day, it's a different generation.

(01:19:03):
And your kid just yell at these kids. Of course
you should play. You can win a national championship. Don't
think about shutting it down. And one of the guys
who's done that is the legendary Charles Barkley. Here's what
he had to say about Zion shutting it down. When
we get to the point where all people care about
his money? Shack played college for two years three, Kenny

(01:19:27):
played for four. I played for three, Michael Jordan played
for three. Tim Duncan played for four. David Robinson played
before some of the greatest players ever, Will Chamblin, Larry Bird,
Magic Johnson played. When do we get to the point
where you got clowns on television saying, oh, don't play.
That's what you do, Ernie, that's what we do. We
play basketball, all right? Strong words by Charles Barkley. Look,

(01:19:52):
my feeling on Zion is I would get a second opinion,
all right. I know what Duke's doctors have said, and
they're I'm sure they're great, But go get a second opinion.
If you get that second opinion and you feel one hunder,
I would not come back and play if I'm Zion
Williamson until I feel as good as I felt three

(01:20:14):
or four days ago, until my explosiveness is the same
as it was three or four days ago. I'm not
going out there just because doctors say you can play.
You'll be sore, you won't quite have the same explosiveness
as usual, but it'll come and the soreness will eventually
go the way. No, I'm not playing. When I'm one

(01:20:35):
hundred percent, I'll be out there. If Zion said, look,
my family and I have discussed it and I've decided
to sit out until the NBA Draft, I wouldn't criticize
him one bit. I would understand. What's your take, Olden,
I agree with you. Again. I'm about choices, and so
I understand what Charles was coming from. But it's still
about choices. I want these kids to have the choices.

(01:20:56):
That's a bottom line. Make the right decisions. Okay, if
you feel like playing, you've already started in college, you
might as well finish it out. But if you don't
feel like playing, you should not be obligated to play
just because Duke needs you. Right right, I'm with you.
I'm with you, and I think Chuck, I mean you
talked about choices, all the players he mentioned, including himself,

(01:21:19):
that was a day when players really didn't have choices. Yeah, exactly,
there were no option. It's the evolution of the game.
It's the evolution of the society. Everything things changed, it
should never remain the same, right, right, And I think
that basketball is slowly it's happening slowly, but basketball is

(01:21:42):
headed for a change. You know, we see the NBA
and nc Doublea's partnership with USA Basketball. We see the
G League's gonna offer players one hundred and twenty five
thousand dollars to come out of high school and go
to the G League rather than going overseas. I think
a lot of people in the mirror looking at the
European model and saying that's a good model. I mean,

(01:22:04):
look at the players coming out of there, Luca don Chichen,
you know, Chris Stop, swartz Ingis and others, And I
think we're headed for a change. Maybe Zion's injury could
propel us to get there a little bit faster. But look,
all of us want to see him play selfishly in
Ncuba tournament, but he's got to do what's best for him.

(01:22:24):
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New York Giants fans of course, come on now and
you you you do not like the New England Patriots,

(01:23:07):
and the owner, Robert Craft, gave you one more reason
to dislike the New England Patriots. No, Heen was caught.
He you're not mad at him. I'm not mad at him.
He's being a man. He didn't hurt anybody, he actually,
but he broke the law. Hey, I understand what you're saying.

(01:23:28):
And I gotta to the point of, you know, the trafficking,
the human trafficking, that's a serious issue, that is and
I hope he I mean, look, I hope he didn't
know about that. He broke the law regardless, but that
takes it to a an entirely different level. And to
your point, you're right, he didn't physically hurt anybody. However,

(01:23:51):
if it is human trafficking, and if those girls, as
the police are saying, were forced into that lifestyle, they're
held there beyond, you know, against their will and forced
to do those things, then that is hurting somebody. And
we hope Robert Craft didn't know anything about it. We

(01:24:12):
would assume he didn't, But if he did, that's when
this thing really gets ugly old. Hey, this is gonna
be a good time to, you know, to claim you know, uh,
I didn't know about that. He's gonna have no question play.
He's gonna have to play that that that um not
even amnesia, what is it, um dementia. He's gonna have

(01:24:35):
to claim that one. Well, at seventy seven he actually
might be able to do that. Let's hear what the
sheriff in South Florida said when charging Robert Craft. Can
you confirm force to that name as the high profile individual,
Could you please steak to that name in that situation? Yes, sir,

(01:24:56):
he is one of the individuals. He is that would
be mister Robert Craft, Robert Crafty, owner of the New
England Patriots. Yes, sir, what is he being charged with.
He's being charged with the same offenses as the others,
and that is soliciting another to commit prostitution their video
evidence of the wedge shots. Yes, sir, for all the

(01:25:17):
individuals being charged, see all the individuals two hundred, right,
give me the names. Give me somebody, give me one
more name besides just Robert Kraft. Well, look, first of all,
Robert Kraft is an individual in the public sphere, right,
He's a public figure. And I've said the same thing
this week to Kyrie Irving and last week to Kevin Durant.

(01:25:40):
They've complained about people following them around in the media,
speculating and all this stuff, and people videotaping them talking
in private. And I get the frustration. But when you're
a public figure, this comes with the territory. Nobody cares
if John Williamson that nobody knows was one of the
two hundred Chris, But Robert Kraft, we care. He's I

(01:26:04):
totally agree with you on that as far as that,
you know, you got to choose your profession, you know,
along like with Kyrie Hey, it comes with the territory.
I get that. My point is, don't just name that
one guy because now it looks like a witch hunt. Okay,
if you arrested two hundred people. Come on, there's got
to be one other name you could throw out there.

(01:26:24):
I could, I would, I would them if they send them.
Adam Schefter from ESPN dot com obviously one of the
most pugged in MNFL reporters, he said, there are other
big names on the list. To your point, that's fair.
I would understand and respect them if they said, you know,
along with John Smith, DA that was Patriots owner Robert Kraft. Well,

(01:26:50):
you can't throw out data that. You can't throw out
John Smith that nobody knows. But I'm just saying he's
still you still get the big name in there. But
at least give me one other one. Come on, why
John Smith? Why not you? Why are you picking out
poor John? There is a list, Rob g get in here.

(01:27:10):
Rob Gie's breaking some news, Olden, what's up? Rob? There
is a part of the list available on Twitter that
reporters took a picture of, so you can see at
least fifteen to eighteen names if you look on Twitter. Okay,
are any of them big names beside Robert Craft? No? Okay,
But but Schefter has said he's been told there are
bigger names on there. Yes, that is correct. Okay, let's

(01:27:35):
put this in perspective, Olden. The charge that Craft is
charged with, it's a misdemeanor, and right now it's punishable
up to sixty days in jail, six months probation, and
a five hundred dollars fine. So it's not you know,
he's not he's not gonna go to jail. He probably

(01:27:55):
would do something like one hundred hours of community service
or something like well, being a first timer. Yeah, so
people talking about taking the team away from him that
first time that we know of right that you're right,
you're right because he's seventy seven. If he's doing it
at seventy seven, what was he doing when he was
young and viril at sixty seven? Right, he was very

(01:28:19):
at sixty seven, well, seven seven thirty, I hope, Hey,
that's right. They got new medicine, so you know you
should be But what what do you think. Let's say,

(01:28:42):
if if he is found guilty and the police are
saying they have video of him, Olden, he's categorically denied
it that he did anything illegal, but the police are
saying they have video. If he has found guilty, there
are people going with they should take the team from him.
I think that's going way too far. If he's found guilty,

(01:29:02):
but there's no evidence he knew this was in they
were involved with human trafficking. What do you think the
punishment should be? Six games? And again I say the six.
Yeah I said that. I said the four, but I
know it's gonna end up being six because of his

(01:29:23):
probably describ you know, transgressions. I know that for a
fact because those were football related. But they sall's gonna
come good. Theyll's gonna come in here and say, hey,
you know what, everything that's happened in the past, we're
gonna add a couple more games to it. It should
be like to me personally, if I was commissioning, I'm
getting him two games five hundred thousand. Oh, they depressed

(01:29:46):
would be all over you. Well, you know that's me.
But again, it's just it's crazy. You know, how about this,
How about if they see him right in the video,
if he actually didn't know anything he can win and
that to actually get a massage. No, but well the
video they claimed that he was asking for more than

(01:30:07):
the massage and got more than the massage. You're right.
If he's found innocent and he just went in there
to get a massage, then that's great. I mean, then
he be innocent. I like Robert Krabb, I like what
he did with Meek Mill, and you know, I like him,
so I'd love to for him to be innocent. But
if they say they have video and they're going after

(01:30:28):
a powerful individual, he's one of the most powerful men
in the NFL and one of the one of the
most respected, I don't think they're going after him without
ample evidence. We go after Robert Krabb, but we leave
our president along with all the stuff he's done. I
hear you. Well, to take that point further, in many cases,

(01:30:51):
we are holding actors and athletes and sometimes teenagers and
musician to a higher standard than the president of the
United States. And it's not the first time. I'm not
as Trump's not the first one. When when Bill Clinton

(01:31:12):
was up in the Oval Offense Office doing all sorts
of things, he didn't lose his presidency. So to say
that Robert Kraft should lose his you know, team over this,
I think that's going too far. But I would say this.
I would say this olding and again I doubt he
knew this. But if he did know, if he was

(01:31:34):
going there because it was you know, human trafficking and
he wanted foreign girls and he knew where to get
him and so on and so forth, that's a real problem.
And I do think in that case, I think taking
the team away would be appropriate. Understand if he knew.
That's serious. I'm gonna share something with you. I ended

(01:31:55):
a twenty five year relationship and friendship with somebody, Okay,
we've known each other twenty five years, one of my
closest friends. When I find out that this guy travels
to the you know, to Thailand and all them places
to go have sex with underage kids. Wow, I mean
it is the most and I'm like, dude, as a

(01:32:17):
parent of young kids, it's so offensive to me. I
told this, don't ever call me again. So I get that,
and I have anger with all of this to a
you know, like again with the human trafficking, that part
is like it is what's gonna get my anger. But
at the same time, I do feel that justice has

(01:32:39):
to be served before we start crucifying people. That's all
I'm question. I agree, I totally again, and I'm hoping.
And the reason I'm saying this is because even though
it's Robert Kraft on the owner's side, it has to
be the same way for athletes on the players side
as well. And a lot of times that gets on
my nerve that people get you know, we get tried

(01:33:00):
twice as professional athletes and entertainers. Everybody gets tried twice.
They get tried in the court of law, and then
they get tried in public opinion. No, you're right, You're
absolutely right. And to this point, it doesn't seem like
people have jumped to the conclusion that Robert Craft knew
about the human trafficking. And I hope he didn't know.

(01:33:25):
Like you said earlier, I hope he's innocent. I hope
he just went to getting an innocent massage at a
strip mall in Florida. It might be hard to believe,
but hopefully that's the case. You know, you're supposed to
be celebrating championships and having a good time and then
now this. So it's again, as much as I hate

(01:33:45):
as much as I hate the Patriots, this is still
bad business. No, it is. It is. And so hopefully
Robert Craft or we will the truth will come out.
And I do hate the patron. Well, of course as
a Giants fan. I mean they kick y'all but just

(01:34:08):
about every year. But you didn't get him. You did
get him twice. You're right, you, in fact, you kept
them from being viewed as the best team of all
time in that one season. What was that twenty twenty eleven,
twenty eight, two thousand and eight when they went That
was when they were eighteen to know though, Oh well

(01:34:30):
then you know that would have been the best team
in NFL history. Inflated, they were awesome. Y'all got lucky.
Shout out to my man Date Tyrie. Great catch, lucky
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(01:37:18):
What is your beef with lebron? Well, before I get
to that, who's who in that promo? One is single,
one is married? Who I don't know? Who? He refirmed?
You want to you really don't know? Now you know,
Rob Parker? I know you too, so I know who

(01:37:40):
it is that was. But look, my problem with Lebron
is this, Now you want to go into playoff mode?
Are you serious? You are a professional athlete, you want
the greatest player to ever play this game, and you
have the audascian to marry to to say, nah, I'm
going into playoff mode. Are you serious? You should be
playing in playoff mode twenty for a seven. Okay. My

(01:38:02):
bottom line is, you know, if you put that kind
of effort into making those claims, maybe you guys, you know,
I understand the injury thing at all, but there's a
lot of games that they've lost they shouldn't have lost
with him playing and he was healthy. So stay in
playoff mode. I don't want to hear this crap. So
now you're telling me, well, you have different ways of playing.
Some nights you're ready to play and some nights you're not.

(01:38:25):
That's offensive to a fan. You don't think some players
and teams even take it to another level in the playoffs.
It goes automatically to another level. I know the Warriors
they take it to another level because it's you know,
it's the playoffs. I understand that, but they still come
out there and play hard every night, and they still

(01:38:45):
give it all, but they're not coming out and say, well,
now we're in playoff mode. That's why I love what
Steph Curiola says, you know, before every game, lock in
dub nation, and so to me, he's already locked in.
So I like that. But when you give Lebron on anything,
any sort of pass for look, he's in his sixteenth year,
and whether or not you think at this point he's

(01:39:07):
the best player in the world, nobody to my recollection,
in their sixteenth year has even been in the running
for best player in the world, even if you think
he's you know what I'm saying. So I get what
you're saying, and I think that's legitimate. How about that, Okay,

(01:39:27):
I feel you alone. Man, you know what, I'm focused
on making the playoffs even if he's coasting, don't You
just don't want to hear it exactly. That's my whole
because he is it fair to say you clearly see
him coasting on defense goods and he because at end
his sixteenth year, all the war terry, he's played sixty
more playoff games than Michael Jordan and one hundred and

(01:39:50):
ten more regular season games than Michael Jordan. There's no way.
At his age, in this stage of his career, he
can go full bore, all eighty to plus the playoffs.
Is that fair to say? It's fair to say, and
I'm okay with that. Just don't make that announcement, you know,
keep it to yourself. I feel you. So, how do
you think his teammates are taking this? They just trying

(01:40:14):
to get through the season, man, that they're not gonna
get over to what happened, you know, before the trade
that line? Don't you have to you? You played you,
you were traded when you first heard your name the
first year wherever, whenever it was that you began to
hear your name being bandied about in trade rumors? How

(01:40:37):
long did it take you to get over that? I
never heard my name. It was all surprises every time
I was traded. One time I was shot. I was
shooting pool one night and I saw it on TV.
I'm like, oh snap, I got traded. So the team
didn't call, you know, actually Clippers. It was like I

(01:40:59):
look up under TV. Literally, I was at the pool
hall in Santa Monica and it's like and my friend goes,
yo you on TV, and I looked up, Oh snap,
I got traded to the trade. So I was like, oh, man,
I wish I had known, but I've never experienced that.
So but I've been around guys whose names came up
in trades and it didn't happen. You know, one of

(01:41:20):
the guys I got traded for Dwayne Caswell. We were
traded for each other, and then they took his name
out the trade, and then we ended up being teammates
in Sacramento. And it affected him, you know, knowing that
he was already traded that he came back like, oh,
I'm just an afterthought now, So it affected him the rest,
you know, the rest, you know, at the time he
was in Sacramento. Is it wrong for people like me

(01:41:43):
to say, Look, I get it, You're a human being.
I know it hurts to know that your team was
looking to trade you, but it's a business. Get over it.
If you can't get over it, you might not be
cut out to excel in the national basketball So I
get that it hurts. I mean, all of us would
be hurt. But to play in the NBA at a

(01:42:06):
high level, you have to be able to put that
stuff out of your mind and move on. Is that
unfair for me to say no, it's not unfair. You're
absolutely right. There has to be a sense of the
business side of it to where you say to yourself, here,
you know why, I'm in a business of people getting traded.
I gotta move forward. I get that, and unfortunately a
lot of these young guys they not accustomed to that.

(01:42:28):
You know, this is the society we're in right now.
You know everything, everybody's taking things a little bit personally
more so than they should. It is business. My thing
was always, Hey, somebody wants me. That's how I always
looked at it. Somebody else wants me, and so I'm
okay for that. And it's a new adventure, a new team,

(01:42:49):
you get a fresh start. I love stuff like that.
But it's it's the fact that how it was handled
by the Lakers. I think that's what's going to affect
them as a fact that you know, Magic made the
offer and then Pelicans didn't respond, Okay, I'm gonna up
the offer. You know, they kept negotiating against themselves, and
it's just like first it was a couple of guys,

(01:43:10):
and it was like the whole team. So it's like, yeah,
you know, and these guys are young. Some of them
are immature a little bit, So I'm just saying it's
gonna affect them a little bit. There's gonna be some
residual effect, but I you know, hopefully they'll just you know,
forget it and finish out the year. Do you think
the Lakers will make the playoffs? I had said they

(01:43:30):
would probably be seventh or eighth seed. Well, not that
Lebron's in playoff mode, I guess they're gonna make it now,
you know, seventh or eighth seed. Look, I think he
is shooting for that seventh seed, man, and they need
to get it because obviously the eight seeds. I'll tell
you this, his a take. They have a better chance

(01:43:54):
of advancing against the Warriors before they do against the
Denver Nuggets. Listen, that's a take. I don't think it's
a good one. Know the reason I say, listen, Luke
Walton for some reason, knows a lot of of course,
you know, of course he was there. He these guys
that played really well against the Lakers. And remember Lebron

(01:44:17):
got hurt. Lebron got hurt that game Christmas game, and
they still won that game. I just I just feel
that they get up for the for the Warriors, and
they know most of the ins and outs of the
what the Warriors want to want to do. And so
to me, it's just you know, I mean, hey, I
can make some silly takes. So but I just think

(01:44:38):
that it will be They'll probably lose, but I think
it'll be a better matchup as opposed to you don't
think Denver Denver's lack of experience. I mean, only one
with any that that plays a lot with any significant
playoff experiences, Paul Millsap. When Denver's players they get in
the lakes and they're not that good on the on,

(01:44:58):
they're not that good on the rold. They get but
they get in the Laker's heads. It's something about Murray.
He gets in people's heads, man, especially the Lake. He
does he bothers people. But I gotta take Lebron over
a team full of guys that have never been in
the playoffs. Hey man, you know what, I just wanted
to see what it was like to make one of

(01:45:19):
these absurd comments like rob and you like you didn't
get it at all. Couldn't this great? I'm trying to
just admit, Chris, you couldnvince you right. No again, I
made an observation a La Rob Parker, all right, well

(01:45:42):
you gotta have the bone. You are not the only
one who has a problem with Lebron. La Times columnist
Bill Plashki joins us next, and he's got similar beef.
But first, let's bring in Deb Carson for the latest
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(01:46:04):
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(01:46:25):
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(01:46:46):
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(01:47:31):
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(01:47:53):
Thanks Dad, Old and you want to say something. I
know we got to get the PLASKI, but come on, man,
Jim Beeheim got to the day off. He's got to
take that game off. Man, come on, you killed a man.
Well you know, I know it was an accident and
everything else, but still I don't respect for the family.
You just got to take a night off. Yeah, that's
that's gosh. It's hard to get in a guy's head.

(01:48:16):
But I get where you're coming from. I get where
you're coming from. It's like, oh, say business as usual.
Come on, Yeah, I get it. I get it. That's
a tough that's sad. Yeah, it's I hear you. All right,
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the show. He's the brilliant La Times columnists none other
than Bill Plashky. Bill, Welcome to the Eye Couple. It's
not Rob and Chris, it's Old and Polinie and Chris.

(01:48:59):
How you know that it can't be any odder than rotting.
I'll tell you what, No I gotta I got a
little education last night. Huh. Because I've been I've been
the one. I've been the one out here and you
know this, Chris, and maybe you do told Old and
I've been the one out here criticizing Lebron, saying he
needs to step up, he needs to buy in. He

(01:49:22):
you know, he hasn't been all that. I complimented Jeannie
for laying down the law and keeping Luke for the
rest of the season over, you know, overcoming Lebron's wishes.
I've been pretty down on Lebron. And yesterday before the game,
I'm out there a Staples Center and some people who
are who are very very much insiders, said you know what,
everything you wrote about Lebron, everything you've written about him,

(01:49:45):
we're all in favor of it. You're you're you're exactly correct,
But beware, beware because he still maybe Lebron. And guess
what they were right? He was still Lebron at least
last night he was Lebronic again. And um, it was fascinating. Bill.
Were these people in the Lakers organization inside? You know, Chris,

(01:50:08):
I can't. I can't tell you who they were, but
I but I don't. But I've been around this business
a long time, in this town thirty one years. I
don't write something unless I think that I'm not. I'm
not the only one going out on a limb on
this stuff, right, I know? You know, we know this, Chris,
And you go your book. You guys though this he's
taken over the organization and pretty much taking and people

(01:50:29):
want to see some results from that. They want to
see him. They wanted to see him invested and you know,
engaged and willing to help and willing to mend fences
with his teammates who don't trust them and all that.
They wanted to see that. And the last night, fourth quarter,
we saw that, No question, no question about it. Um

(01:50:51):
is there? I've I've throughout this theory because earlier this week,
I think there was a story about the Lakers being
concerned about Lebron's groin and that he wasn't playing with intensity,
that he wasn't engaged. And I've talked to some people
close to Lebron and they were like, look, he may
have paced himself when he came back from the injury

(01:51:12):
before the All Star break, making sure he doesn't re
injure himself and things like that, but the groin is fine.
And so I'm wondering, was that a purposeful leak that
the Lakers put out there to let Lebron know, look,
we're not pleased with what we see and we're expecting
you to step it up. Was that Is that fair?

(01:51:33):
Is that possible that? I think that. I think that
leak then, and again, we all know journalism, how it
works and who writes the stories and where they come from.
I think that leak came from Lebron. I think Lebron saying, hey,
wait a minute, now, everybody wants so much of me.
I'm not all there yet. I'm not all there. I'm
not all there yet, So where Bill you mentioned Lebron

(01:51:56):
taking over the franchise, and you're right, Um, is there
some frustration within the franchise because Lebron it's not just
like you got a great player. He brings a lot
with him. Yeah, And I don't think any of us
out here really understood that until you live and Kevin Durant.
I was very critical of Kevin Durant. Remember when he

(01:52:18):
complained about the toxicity playing around Lebron. I was very
critical of him. And I now see some of what
he says. I don't why wouldn't use was harsh words
that he said, But I now see what he says.
It's a circus and it's a lot. And I think
they Yes, I think there's definitely some frustration and oh
my goodness, this guy really does either he runs everything

(01:52:39):
or he wants to run everything, and he talks, he
micromanages behind the scenes to try to run everything. So
I think there's a whole lot of that out there.
And I think that, yeah and so and I think
think that that frustration is real. And I think they
the impression is they don't they think Lebron didn't realize
this ain't the Saint the East. He's not an Eastern
Conference anymore. And this team may be as bad as

(01:52:59):
a can as, but it's gonna take more effort. But
then before, and I think people raise their eyebrows when
they said that he's been activated, he said he's activated
himself for the second for the stretch run, Like, how
come he wasn't activated earlier? How come this stuff didn't
start earlier? But then again, we saw him last night
and you can see the greatness there and he literally
carried them to the victor, the victory for nineteen points

(01:53:22):
down in the middle of the third quarter. So now
can he I think he seemed really tired after the game.
He knew what like, he didn't feel good during the game.
He took some timeouts and he you know, he took
him Stuf out of the game on one occasion. So
I'm wondering if I'm wondering about his health and I'm
wondering about that. We'll see if if he can continue
this what happened last night, But it gave them hope.

(01:53:43):
It gave them a lot of hope that hey, maybe
this is a guy we signed. Okay, Hey, Bill, do
you believe the Lakers make the playoffs? And if So
where did they finish. Yeah, twenty four hours ago, I
would say no, But seeing last night, I can't sleep
on this. If this guy's gonna be doing this, they're

(01:54:05):
gonna make the because I think the Clippers are gonna tank.
The Clippers will tell you no, they're not a tank,
and they're winning by a ton tonight in Memphis. But
they're smart. You don't have Jerry West and Lawrence Frank.
We're in an organization that says we'd rather get beat
by Golden State in the first round, getting getting then
get a first round draft pick in June. Okay, there's
just no There's just no way. It's almost dere lection
if they don't tank. So they basically just have to

(01:54:27):
be Sacramento and the Kings are or a good young team,
but they are a young team. I think the Lakers
sneak in there. I mean, I think anything below seven.
I mean, if if they they get in or at eight,
you know they're gonna get beat by Golden State. It'll
be a waste. But if they get to set somehow
get the seventh seed. I don't know how they do that,
but that's possible, then all bets are off for anything

(01:54:49):
I think, and so yes, my answer is, I think
they have a fourth US tougher schedule in the NBA
the rest of the way, But I think they do
get in the playoffs because I saw Lebron's will and
I'm not, at least right now, I'm not betting against that.
It's the eye couple. We're joined by LA Times columnists
Bill Plasky, Bill with Lebron about him running the organization

(01:55:09):
and all that. I mean, Magic Johnson can rival Lebron.
James is legend. You know, magic is magic. I mean,
everybody loves him. He's a legend. He owns LA. Where
is he stays? He just letting Lebron? Do? Is he
cow towing to Lebron? Or why is he kind of
letting this happen? I think he realized the magic knows

(01:55:31):
his legacy, You're right, His legacy as a player here
is established. His letics as an executive is not. And
he's been sensitive to criticism, and I've leveled at him
in the past for you know, not being around enough
as an executive, not being himself, not being engaged enough
as executive. So I think he sees Lebron as the
ticket to getting him the credibility as an executive and

(01:55:53):
as a smart we're always a brilliant To me, he's
a brilliant businessman, but is he a brilliant basketball man businessman?
I think he sees Lebron's his ticket, So I don't
know if it's caltown, but I think he sees things
the way Lebron does, and he listens to Lebron, and
I think he Lebron doesn't quietly. He comes out and
says it where Lebron might think all these guys are
being babies for being upset about trade talker, the magic

(01:56:16):
comes out and says it. You know, while he thinks
Lebron quietly once Walton gone, magic comes out and says it.
So I think he's the vocal point man for Lebron's wishes.
I wouldn't call it cowtown. I think he's it's probably
mutual interest, but I think he says this is this
is my way to get the credibility and to establish

(01:56:38):
my legacy in this town as an executive along the
lines of the Jerry West. And so that's what I
got to do. Last night's game seemed to at least
move you a long way to believing again in Lebron.
Do you think team am I being su am, I
being no mean? This is our first time with him,

(01:56:58):
this is everybody's first time everything, And maybe I'm being
being suckered. Should I stay with my original stance? I
don't know, because it was right? He was great. You're right,
we got about thirty seconds. Do you think it went
a long way and kind of bringing the young guys
to believe, you know, to start following Lebron and believing
in him again. Right there, He's still upset about the

(01:57:19):
chair deadline and stuff. The way he set screens for bi,
the way he found Bullock in the corner, the way
he enabled Josh Harker play defense. Yes, I think that's
a big thing. But it's gonna have to continue, and
Lebron cannot blame them when they have a few losses
down because coming up here like he kind of tends
to do a little bit. But yes, I think it
went a big way to getting the team cohesive together.
All right, he's Bill Plasky, Bill, great stuff. Keep up

(01:57:42):
the great work, man. We're loving reading your columns on them. Thanks, guys,
you guys are great. All right, guys. Later we got
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(01:58:23):
talked earlier about Charles Barkley saying that Zion Williamson shouldn't
even consider shutting it down this season and really castigating
anyone and everyone who even hinted that he should. Well,
Stephen Jackson took it even further, not talking about Zion
but going in on today's player. A lot of these

(01:58:46):
old heads are going in on the day's players now,
and Stephen Jackson basically said they all don't love basketball
here he is. I love the fact that players have
control the way they want to play. By the same time,
guys got to be professional too. I would be the
first say these guys, these ads are they're sporting, A
lot of them are spawn And I was talking to

(01:59:09):
one of the best one of all, the football coach,
and he said one thing he said about basketball from
the outside looking in. More players today are interested in
what the game could do for them. They don't actually
love the game like we did. I'm forty one years old.
I still play the game every day, so and I
can see that the love of the game is not there.
But I'm happy that we had a hand in for
these kids to be able to get the money they're

(01:59:30):
making and the way the game is going. I'm happy that.
But at the same time, they got to be professional
and continue to show fans they love the game too
because they can. You can get away from that. Well,
I can't get with painting all these players with a
broad brush and saying they don't love the game. I
can't either. I mean, you know, I know you and

(01:59:52):
Rob be going against each other, but I'm in agreement
with you. It's ridiculous, and I get tired of veteran
players or REATAI it plays knocking this generation. You know,
there's certain things I will critique, you know, based on
facts and stats, but trying to level that kind of

(02:00:12):
judgment on people about their love of the game and passion,
you can't measure that. That's like asking the analytics people
to you know, figure things out, you know, analytically. That's
why I don't like analytics because it doesn't tell you
what's in the guy's head and in his heart. So
to me, for Stephen Jackson to do that is absurd
because we had people in the past. When I played,

(02:00:36):
came up, I came in before Stephen, there were guys
that didn't love basketball. They were in it for the money,
right and so, but they weren't getting criticized. It's like, hey,
it is what it is. Hey, I gotta make my money,
that's it. We were okay with it. Some lasted, some didn't,
but you know, it's just how it is. You can't

(02:00:57):
all of a sudden say, well, these young guys, they
don't have to love for the game. That's why I
like Michael Michael Jordan's you know, people thought that he
was the only one, you know, they had to love
in the game. Love of the game clause right, Oh,
come on, dude, we all love the game, you know,
not all, but I'm saying most of us love the
game and we enjoyed it for what it was. But

(02:01:20):
you can't just say now, all of a sudden, these
young people don't love the game. That's absurd. You know,
it's a new game. I wish guys would just really
appreciate the game for what it is. You know, when
I came in an eighty seven, I can't go back
and say, well, you know, well, you know, it's a
new game now because the fifties, So it's it's a
different game. It's a better game. It's supposed to be
a better game. Right then the fifties and sixties. We're

(02:01:43):
not shooting underhanded anymore. Only Rick Barry did that, Okay.
So it's like it has to evolve. You know. People
made it possible for us. Oscar Robinson made it possible
for us to enjoy the fruits of our labor, and
so we have to be able to appreciate these young
guys today for what they're doing, because it's a different game.

(02:02:05):
I've always said this my era, the eighties, nineties and
all that, it was WWF wrestling with a basketball, Okay, right,
And to me, I don't think that was pleasing to
the eye. We were more physical. But you know what,
I kind of like this game now, you know, aesthetically
it's a lot better. It's a lot more pleasing to me.

(02:02:28):
So we gotta likely leave these guys alone, man, and
appreciate people for what they all. Right now, I'll take
it even further old. In every field of endeavor, journalism, engineering, accounting, teaching,
whatever it had the clergy, Okay, there are people that

(02:02:48):
love it and there are people that like it, and
there are people that don't like it and just do
it for the benefits. And same thing in sport pro sports.
There are people that love the game. There are people
that just like it, but they love what it brings.
The fame, the fortune, the women, all that. And it
was the case in your day, Steven's day, and today

(02:03:11):
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