November 20, 2025 • 41 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether the new Los Angeles Lakers owners made a mistake by not axing Jeanie Buss when they got rid of her two younger brothers, argue whether Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson is the greatest dual-threat quarterback in NFL history, and tell us if the Minnesota Vikings should feel obligated to keep JJ McCarthy as their QB1 in 2026.
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Speaker 8 (02:36):
Rob?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I don't know who's he going after now?
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Speaker 9 (02:39):
I just every time I opened my eye, somebody getting it,
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I guess not.
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Are you on his list?
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Nah? You good? Yeah?
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I'm ready.
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Yeah, a lot to get to, no doubt about it.
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I know it's all listen. Usually we we overreact in La.
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Speaker 2 (05:03):
There you go. Yep, all right, Kelvin, there was some movement,
some news.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I guess news you could use from the your Los
Angeles Lakers because you're like a Laker fan, you're a
Pistons fan.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Wherever the wind blows.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
That.
Speaker 9 (05:20):
Let's start off on a good foot, Okay. I don't
want to have to come see about you. Yeah, I
want to have to come through this Noah's art, get
in my arc and come see you.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah. Man, But there's some news Lakers are.
Speaker 9 (05:29):
They're basically we knew when owner Mark Walters bought the
team that there could be some changes. When would have happened,
how would have happened, who would it happened to? And
now there's some big changes. So they're reshuffling the deck
there in the basketball department. And they fired executives Joey
and Jesse Buss from their respective front office positions that
they have effective immediately, uh. And they went on to
(05:52):
say that they're extremely honored to have been a part
of this organization for the last twenty years. And they
also said thank you to the Laker nation. Blah blah blah.
But you get expect with that. But I do think
was interesting is they said this Rob and this part
of our conversation. Doctor Buss's idea their father was for
Joey and I to run basketball operations one day.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
That's what Jesse told uh shamp Serani and referring.
Speaker 9 (06:13):
To the father, and he said, but Jeannie has effectively
kept herself in place with her siblings fired, so we
got a little succession going on like the TV show
in real life.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
I'm just gonna say this, the Lakers didn't do enough
for me, because Genie Buss should have been fired with
her brothers as well.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And what yeah, I'm that serious.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Once they've already taken the Bus family took the ten
billion dollars. And people have to understand everybody who owns
a team is not super rich.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And I'm not saying a.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Lot of people don't get that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
They don't get that.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
You think, oh, you own the Lakers. Oh my god,
all of them are your printing money. You got all
this money. No, that was the Bus family fit family business.
Speaker 9 (06:57):
Yep, that's the main They're not Steve Balmer where this
is my fun pet project.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Would a be? And this is just fun something to do.
It puts me out there.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
My name is out there, exactly know the Lakers were
the Buses family business.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
And and I don't I don't know the whole idea
or the whole idea that you sell a team to
somebody and you expect to still have a job there
or work there or collect money as pay. You got paid,
your family got paid, they got the ten billion. If
you want to be in the basketball business, then you
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shouldn't have sold Just like Mark Cuban, I want another
seat at the table.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
What if that doesn't make any sense to me?
Speaker 5 (07:43):
It really doesn't, Dude, what you sell for the Bus
family enough, the people who won the organization, who bought
the team right of the Dodger people, get your own people.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You don't need Genie Bus anymore.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
And it does feel weird. And I'm not siding with
the brothers, but doesn't it feel weird?
Speaker 10 (08:02):
What?
Speaker 9 (08:02):
What?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Why didn't Genie get the red get the pink.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Slip as well?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Seriously?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
So here's my answer to that. I believe Genie Buss.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
Is the singular face of the Lakers outside of you know,
the players, obviously Luca Lebron and you know, God bless
the dead Kobe Scheck. But when you think of it organizationally,
nobody really thinks of Rob Pelinka except obviously Laker fans.
But when you think of it as a whole, like nationwide,
I think even even in LA she's endeared. You've been
the games, You've seen how fans. She's like the one
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person fans are cool with. Even when the team's in
the dumps, she's the one person is like a family member.
She's like, all right, now, this team, they're struggling, but Genie.
Come on, like people have love for her because they
literally have seen her grow up from a teenager being
a part of this team.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
So I think she's there for ceremonial like the heart
of that.
Speaker 9 (08:52):
Come on. But I'm just telling you what you're there
because I don't think she's gonna be part of the
real basketball operations.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I don't. She doesn't need to be there at all.
I don't agree, I don't disagree without need. I'm telling
you what I think they're doing it for.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But not one Laker fan is.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Gonna lose any sleep that Genie Bust doesn't have an
office with the Lakers or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
They understand how business is. They agreed, nobody cares about
Jeanie Bust.
Speaker 9 (09:19):
She's old newsency, tingency of fans who still want a
connection to the good old days, the Bus Family, to
show time Lakers, and they want to have that. She's
not gonna be overly involved in the basketball operations. So
what's the point then, Sarah, it's you wanted to be
a mascot, is what you're telling me. You wanted to
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be a mascot. She will want don't you put a mascot?
Go down there and walk around and throw t shaps
at and you know, and you know people do that
all the time, like Magic Johnson when he was prior
to when he finally when he was a president for
those couple of years.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
He's magic. He is a part of it, but he's madic.
Speaker 9 (09:55):
You feel comfortable, you feel good having around and he,
by the way, is someone there speculating Rodney Pete obviously
a friend of both of ours, who had put out
on his show A M five to seventy out here
in La that you know, he wouldn't be shocked if
Magic has some I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Know what that means. He wouldn't be shocked. Is Magic
gonna do something?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Just tell you what Rodney said? What do you want
from me?
Speaker 9 (10:14):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
That you know? And also Stan Caston, who is the
president Operation.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Stan Casting used to run the Hawks.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Stan Caston knows basketball and stand based up Dodgers, and
he'd been with the Braves. Stan Caston could easily easily
easily handle both because that's what he's done.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
He was I remember Stan Casting from the old days
with the Hawks.
Speaker 9 (10:37):
Yep, he has been all over. He's done a million
different things. So for those who kind of n't familiar
with them. You know, we mentioned it, the Braves, the Hawks,
the Dodgers. He's just really good at putting a team
together day to day, understanding the you know, the the
overall like what you're trying to do and accomplished. So
Stan Casting who was with the part ownership of the Dodgers.
So part owner means he's with Mark Walter and uh
(10:59):
and also Magic our owner the Dodgers with Mark Walter.
It would not surprise me if they start to slowly
bring over the team that has now got three rings
and what five six years has been in the playoffs,
really made this this team a great organization over the
last decade or so, So that would not shock me there.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
But again with the Genie bus.
Speaker 9 (11:15):
Point, I just think there's a hint of familiarity, a
hint of glory days years past, a hint of something
that Laker fans LA fans people can say, I remember that,
as opposed to like a hostile takeover where it's like, hey,
oh hold on now, so I now.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Not longer that lasts had a hostile takeover.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
You dollars, if you're used to the bus, you.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Didn't lose the team.
Speaker 9 (11:38):
I ain't lying the money is great, I'm saying on
the fan base looking at ownership and if everything that
had to do with the Lakers pass was gone, I
could see some Laker fans.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Being who owned the team before the bus Family?
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Do you know? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Okay, there you go. That's what I was gonna say.
Right the bus been on.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
This is nineteen seventy nine. Don't nobody remember all that?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
What do you mean nineteen seventy nine and one hundred
years ago?
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Rock? I wasn't born, Jack, I wasn't born. You don't
have to be born. You know who the president of
the first president of the United States was. You weren't
born then? You know? All right?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
What Barack Obama?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Ball?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I wasn't born.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Jack can't cook and they okay, when when the bus
Family took over, he didn't have to stay on.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
He sold your team.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Come on because the body because he wasn't doing nothing
within it. They wasn't winning.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Did the eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox?
Speaker 9 (12:28):
We're gonna be me and you'll be fired. It's trash
socker too. You want to leave me like a TV team?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So on Thursday, that's all right.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
You see, they knew, they knew the gods knew, God
knew not to have me next to you around. We'd
be rumbling in this dude, to be some furniture moving
up in there?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
All right?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Did the Lakers make a mistake not dumping Genie Bust
today as well?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You hear me, they make a mistake. We'll continue that
conversation next with you.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
You didn't want no Busses in the in the in
crypto no more?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Uh no Genie Bust as in b us T. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
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nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Where are you on this? Genie Buss not showing the
door with a brothers? Or should she have been?
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Is Thanksgiving the worst major holiday of the year.
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Wow?
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Yeah, Rob g wants some smoke today, huh.
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I guess so?
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So we got all of that coming up in our
number two and don't forget to Night Football.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I don't know, I don't, I'll just are.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
You Are you talking about Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Bills Ands and the Texans? Like I don't want to
be a killed joy, but I just are you hyped?
Speaker 9 (16:16):
There is a reason I'm glad you asked me because
you lead us to our topic here. The reason I
think anyone will be high today is specifically.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Josh Allen.
Speaker 9 (16:26):
Josh Allen spectacular raining MVP. Last week did some stuff
that no one else does at the rate he's doing it.
Three touchdowns through the air, three touchdowns on the ground.
It's just been He's spectacular. So if anyone's excited, it's
because he's in it. The Texans are great defensively, but yeah,
you know, don't necessarily bring a bunch of I expect
again to be close because of their defense.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
But leading to our topic, there's.
Speaker 9 (16:49):
A discussion that is Josh Allen the greatest running and
passing the dual threat quarterback ever and he enters tonight
rap Thursday Night Football tied with Cam Newton for the
most regular season rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in NFL history.
Had they both have seventy five, so one more he's
gonna break the record. And then of course you start
(17:10):
to look at the stuff that he's been able to do.
He has ten rushing touchdowns so far this season, trailing
only Jonathan Taylor, who's a running back. In Green Bay's
Josh Jacob who's a running back, So he's doing stuff
at a rate as if he's a running back when
you're talking gonna gett an the Enzo. So the question
becomes is he the greatest dual threat quarterback ever? And
(17:31):
the answer is yes, And it's literally because of what
I just mentioned there. If you're asking me who's the
most exciting, effortless video game looking.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
That is Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
If you're just talking about a guy who can get
the yards because he's a Lamar has way more yards
to him. When you're talking about just total yards rushing,
Lamar Jackson is ahead of him in that ring. But
when you're talking about excitement, I think of Michael Vick.
I think of Lamar Jackson as I mentioned, but productivity
as far as getting your running but in the end zone,
that is Josh Allen jumping over people, running people over
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and then.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Still have the ability to turn around three throw three touchdowns.
Speaker 9 (18:11):
Josh Allen has become that simply edging out Lamar in
a sense of productivity in the end zone. As far
as aesthetically, that's still Lamar for me, Like as far
as just pure when I watch this person play, I go, okay,
this is just he looks like he's playing against college
players of high school players.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Lamar still has that.
Speaker 9 (18:28):
But as far as getting it done on the productivity side,
specifically with the running in the end zone, Lamar just
edges him out for Josh just edges him out for me.
And the stuff that both of them have done. By
the way the ages they are is crazy. It's not
like they're at the end of their career. They're gonna
set records so far ahead of everybody. When it comes
to Lamar with the rushing yards. When it comes to
Josh Allen with the touchdowns for a quarterback, he's gonna
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he's on a dirajectory at the end of the twenty
twenty eight season to have triple digit rushing touchdowns, that's insane.
So that's where I am he's the greatest one. You're
talking about getting the job done in the end zone.
Whether it be passing, whether it be running.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Where are you? I have a feeling you're more Lamar.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Yeah, I don't think it's close, and you're just putting
up The issue I have is to think it's just
about numbers, Okay, And it's not just about numbers, because
that's a style of play that the Bills have decided
they want to go with with Josh Allen, and unlike that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Everybody could criticize.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Lamar when he was running the ball in and he
obviously decided that he didn't have to do that anymore, Right,
he didn't have to give up his body and wind
up getting hurt. And I'll give you a couple of
examples on why Josh Allen isn't the best dual threat.
It's Lamar Jackson and it's not even close. John Stockton
has is the all time assist leader. Nobody thinks he's
(19:52):
the better passor than Magic Johnson. No zero, even though
he has more assists. Right, he's done it better than that.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Oh, he got all the assists.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Nobody thinks he's better passed than Magic Johnson. Another one,
Tom Brady. Tom Brady has all the stats, all the
stuff you want you talk to anybody in the NFL
and take away the Super Bowls because that's what puts
him on everybody's list, and say who's the best quarterback? Skill, arm, strained, accuracy,
(20:23):
all that. Tom Brady is not the best quarterback. He's
the most accomplished quarterback. He would you agree with that
he's not the best quarterback?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Five guys that Aaron Rodgers right, You could pick five
guys easily ahead of Tom Brady.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
He's the most accomplished because when you put the winning
and all those stats, then you could say.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, tom Brady forever.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
People want to say he's their goat or whatever it is,
but it doesn't make him the best quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And the same thing with Josh Allen. I don't think
he's I don't.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Think there's an out that if I stack those two
guys up together, I would take Lamar ten out of
ten out as being a dual threat. Lamar's throwing the
football and where he is with the passing game and
trying to stop that. Dude, I'm not talking about just
from the one yard line or instead of getting it's
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off to the full back or the running back or whatever,
going in yourself rather than giving it to somebody else,
and that's what he does. And a lot of times
you can still run in for more than a yard
or two out. But that's the play that they call
the style of play.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
So I'm I'm not, I don't. I don't believe he's
better than Lamar as far as a dual threat.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I think the difference for me, again is a couple
of things.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
One, his ability is size like that always makes it
where he can just run guys over and get up
like it was nothing and still again go right back
to airing it out and need be Also again, Lamar
has thirty four touchdowns and again we talked about seventy five,
so he has less than half of Josh Allen when
it talks to just getting an enzo, and that to
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me is just a small hair on my chinny chin
chin separator. You know, I think Lamar Jackson is the
best player when everything.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
How do you think he's the best player?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
If you say that Josh Allen is the best dual
threat quarterback in the history of the NFL, how can
Lamar be better than him?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I tell you what, please, because that makes no sense
to me.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I tell you why.
Speaker 9 (22:23):
Because Lamar's speed alone, that portion of it makes him different.
But I'm talking about for me, Josh Allen getting Indian
zone throwing an the Enzo. That's the but I'm telling
you for me, so Lamar.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
But if he's the best dual threat quarterback, ever, how
could he not be better than Lamar? Yh is he
the greatest dual threat quarterback? So if he's the greatest
dual threat quarterback, he's not better than Lamar.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
How No, because Lamar Lamar's passing ability right now, because
because of the way he plays, he's getting we already
talk about it his winning percentage, right talk about the
way Lamar, his style of play, his winning I think
he's at what seventy two percent of his games or
something crazy like that. Lamar, especially the early part of
his career when he was more run century Lamar. Right now,
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both of those guys are video game players, which is
why the last three four years is going to be
pick your choice of who is gonna win a MVP.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
So Lamar makes it look so effortless.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
It looks like a video game, as does Josh, but
Lamar makes it He's a little bit more trickier to
game plan for.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
And he's just a little bit more unique.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
But when I'm saying, just simply do a threat and
it's close if you say Lamar, if I'm not mad
at you, I just think for me, his ability, his
being Josh to get in the end zone both ways
is the small separator for me that that's the only
difference on sidings.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
To logical that then Lamar is a better player because
what Okay, let me respind that.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Let me because it doesn't I don't understand that.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
But see I don't. This is where we're different.
Speaker 9 (23:57):
Patrick Mahomes had been the best player for years and
he's no wing near as dynamic is either. He can run,
but no way near as dynamics. So it's not just
being a great runner doesn't simply make you the best play.
Aaron Rodgers was the best player and he wasn't the
most running quarterback. So rust player doesn't equate to just
simply no.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
But it says the great, all right. I'm just trying
when you say, you know what.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
I'm saying, like lam Lamar being the best doesn't mean
he's that he has to have better legs or like
you can.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Peyton Manny was the best player for some time. He
wasn't running nowhere.
Speaker 10 (24:27):
No.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
But but the the idea that you're talking about the
same two guys, you're saying, You've said Lamar is the
best player in the league, but Josh Allen is the
best duel because they're not because they both do that.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
They both do that, they both.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Know.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
These two guys are both dual.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
Right, yeah, absolutely, okay, but they're probably the best two
edits okay, So, but but you.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Say Lamar is the best quarterback, but he's the best
duel to.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
Because Lamar doesn't Lamar is a capability is more so
maybe getting out the pocket some scrambles.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I'll run around Josh is a lot of times I'm
getting in the end zone.
Speaker 9 (25:12):
So it ends in the results of him getting in
the end zone one way, the one way, or they're
through air or through running. And that's to me when
I'm saying the only that threat of him scoring from it.
He has seventy five rushing Jones House, Lamary has thirty four.
But a massive difference.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Yeah, but it's just not I just gave you the
example of the John Stockton. You think John Stockton is
a better point card than Magic Johnson?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
No, No, no, why not? What I'm saying, but that
goes says he has more as system magic and Magic.
Speaker 9 (25:42):
Johnson was bigger, Magic Johnson was stronger, Magic Johnson was
able to score better and something. But it's more than
just as simple that that's what a dual threat. Both
of them are have gotten really good as fast as
over the years. But they're both pack.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
But would you would you acknowledge that the Ravens have
gone away from a being they got Derek hen Reid,
they had other that that that's not what they want
Lamar to do.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
It, not that he can't do it, is that they
don't want him to do it. And it's a style
of play. That's what I'm trying to say that.
Speaker 9 (26:11):
So if we had that Lamar can doing two years
ago or in two years from now, I might, you know,
change it then. But as of the last two couple
couple of years, we've seen Josh Allen and I told
you that's why I think singularly won him that MVP
last year, and he was running all over the place,
jumping over people in snow doing literally.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Sny buddy, buddy. But he wasn't the NFL All First
Team All Pro quarterback.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Hey, they changed their vote what you want from me, Rob,
what you want from me?
Speaker 7 (26:38):
None?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
None of this makes sense to me, all right?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
They changed their votes.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. Maybe you understand
Kelvin because I don't. I don't know how you get don't.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't get it. I don't know how.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
If Josh Allen is the best duel threat quarterback of
all time, he should be the best player right now.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Oh God, I just think that that's they go hand
in hand.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Is Josh Allen the great? He is dual threat quarterback
of all time? Kelvin says yes. I say hell no,
Oh God, no, p We'll continue that conversation next with you.
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here we are Thursday Night Football, another snoozer, six to three,
thirteen minutes to go in the half of the bull
the Bulls the Buffalo Bills up six to three over
the Texas.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
No CJ. Stroud in this one, missing his third straight game.
Speaker 9 (29:05):
Yeah, I mean, once you knew the Texans were in it,
there was a chance for it to be a snoozer
because they're a good team defensively that keep themselves in games.
Can't squad Just yeah, their games aren't the most exciting.
I mean, they had a couple of decent ones, but
thank for God for their defense.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Again, that's when we knew the Ravens were really bad
on that deep Remember they scored forty.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Let the Ravens looked like that. You mentioned the buffalo
bills of bold or something.
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I'm like, what in the world that was crazy to
me because because they had struggled mightily to try to score.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But I do remember that they got a ton of
points against the Ravens.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Yep, uh, Kelvin, Let's let's go to the Minnesota Vikings
to we have the story.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
Yeah, well, there's just you know, JJ McCarthy obviously has
not had a great season.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
When you kind of jump into the numbers.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
You know what, when I hear that, I'm like, he
saved your season beating the Lions in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That was a huge game from Minnesota begin.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
But rock we said I said season. I didn't say
they have a good game.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
No, But I'm just saying that, like he's only playing
He's only started like five games in his career.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
And he's been bad when that's the problem when you
look at it.
Speaker 9 (30:13):
So, but the drama, let me say it, the drama
for you ka drama k because uh, Chris Carter, one
of the all time great Minnesota Vikings, he he was
called a clown. McCarthy's trainer called him a clown for
criticizing JJ. So essentially, had Chris Carter, Uh, somebody was
saying Aucho was saying that he was playing well, and
then he said did you watch he being Chris Carter,
(30:34):
did you watch the first fifty nine minutes of the game.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
And then he put a little thumbs down emoji.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
And so Greg Holcomb, who was the longtime trainer who's
worked with macarthy, he replied by calling him a blanking clown.
So then he later of course deleted the post, apologized
and you know, did the whole thing that was unprofessional, disrespectful.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
But when you start to the conversation becomes there's some uh,
some thought process or just saying some NFL insiders have
gotten to the point where Mike Florio's claiming a team
could look to bring in Matt Jones, who mac Jones
to compete for QB one next off season, and Diana
Reciding of the Athletics wondering got loud whether McCarthy will
(31:13):
even be on the roster next season. Boyd, things have
escalated quickly and to your point, my gosh, he hasn't
looked great, but dagging, it's been a you know, half
a season for him. I'll throw out the numbers then
you can go ahead, Rob. The numbers are He's completed
only fifty three percent of his pass is lowest among
the forty eight quarterbacks who have made at least one
(31:33):
start this season. His off target rate is twenty two
point one percent, which ranks forty seven, and his eight
total touchdowns, nine turnovers, and his sixty one point seven
passer rating basically everybody's he has him at the bottom
of every metric in the league.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
All right, I just for five starts in his career,
is that where we are? Like, it's just totally with Dick.
It's just not enough of a sample size. He's been
heard twice already. He has to get under his under
his feet. I just don't even understand this.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I just think people they say this about every quarterback.
One quarterback is not winning they want him out. One
quarterback is winning every week, they want him out. Another
quarterback is on his third team in three years, and
he's the next coming of the Messiah, and they make
excuses for that quarter I don't even get it anymore.
(32:26):
I thought that Minnesota could could transform any quarterback into
into into a decent quarterback and play the system.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
It was right?
Speaker 6 (32:36):
That is that?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Does that out the window?
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Now?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I just five games? Is that all you get?
Speaker 5 (32:42):
So when Shador loses on Saturday on Sunday to the Raiders,
he should be done right like like he should be done.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I think this is weird.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
I'm gonna tell you why this is weird for me, Ron,
It's weird because this is the guy you thought so
highly of. You went up to get him for the
tenth pick. He wasn't a guy that was projected to
be that high. You went out of your way to
get him. You had him as a projected starter. He
gets injured, Sam Donald goes in all of a sudden,
ends up having a great season.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
You elected not resigned to him, which was.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
The right move, which was the wrong move.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
He wouldn't be having this, we wouldn't be sitting in
this conversation, Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Could be bad, could be bad too.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
No, he went away and balling out in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
No, but that doesn't mean he would have been balling
out this year.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Why would he regress with the team all the time?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
He would gressed in the postseason. He regressed at the
end of.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
The Yeah, he had a bad to don't disagree. There's
no there's no facts.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
So so he played great, doesn't mean you played great
throughout the entire season. He played.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Game. A bad game means when that kid came back,
he went to Detroit where who had owned the Vikings,
and beat and beat the Lions in Detroit and played
pretty well.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
In that I was a bad loss Lions, okay about that,
But but so here and that's what I'm agreeing in
that this can't be the guy you thought so highly
highly of. That's why I was setting it up that
you went to get him at ten. You didn't sign
San Donald, and he goes out there and he competes
and he's not playing well.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
But now you're like, oh, well we might go elsewhere.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Like you thought that highly of him, Give him a
full year, give him another season, and I've I've as
born and raised in Arbor, was baffled. You heard me
saying for months that I didn't see that type of
quarterback in him. He it was a product of Jim
Harbaugh's running his.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Defense and say that that was his style that does.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
And not that he didn't not that he didn't have
a place in the league. But I was shocked that
they went to get him at tenth. That's why a
lot of people Martin Wise who went to Michigan kind
of like, wait.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Whoa okay, but there's all kinds of other stuff in
intel and whatnot and what kind of guy you.
Speaker 9 (34:49):
But that's what makes this conversation weird. That's why they
would want to possibly, you know, look at us.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I don't I don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
I don't know if it's if it's hearsay or that's
really coming from the people upstairs, you know, like like
you just don't know because we don't throw stuff out
all the time. And this makes no sense to me.
If he hasn't played enough, he had sample sized as
small and that was my.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Thing about him.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
Even in college he didn't play a lot like he
wasn't he got finally a senior year to be or
not his senior I think was junior senior. But he
got to that last year to be the guy like,
all right, it's your team. And yes they won a
national championship, but he didn't do much, which was why
I was always baffled by that. But I do think
what you wanted him to do. Yeah, I'm not mad
at No, I'm not mad at his Michigan career.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
I met him.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
It wasn't like they needed him. He couldn't do it.
Speaker 9 (35:41):
Fine, This was Jim Harball, one of them. Absolutely, he
did that all the time with with his quarterbacks a lot.
So I wasn't He was perfectly fine for that system.
I was just shocked they went up and got him
that high. And now it makes you wonder, is it
Kevin O'Connell, who normally can revise, vitalize.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Cater quarterback whisper is what I was told?
Speaker 9 (36:02):
Yeah, so is he off his rocker right now? Is
he a little off his game? Or is JJ just
not the guy right now? Because I ain't gonna lie.
Fifty two point nine percent of his passes is atrocious
rock a game.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I'll give you that. That happens everybody. Patrick mahomes Lamar anybody.
Speaker 9 (36:21):
Two games, all right, they are for five games, fifty
two point nine percent with those types of weapons, rock
that and that defense, meaning you're gonna get more cracks
at it.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
That is terrible. That is that is really really, really bad.
And then to be off target at.
Speaker 9 (36:38):
Twenty two percent of your passes has you forty seventh,
meaning forty six other guys are higher and better at
that than you.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
That's bad. Six touchdowns, eight interceptions. So he's on the
struggle bus. But they can't act like this isn't the
guy that they brought in and believed in and didn't get.
Speaker 9 (36:54):
Sam Donald for and let some other people go to.
They could have had on what's your boy? Daniel Jones?
He was over there, you know what I mean? They
had options, and this is who you elected to go
in and rod with.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
They could have have They could have had Justin Fields.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Well we might've been having the same conversation right now.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
They could still have Justin Fields. He's available. He's been benched,
you see he.
Speaker 9 (37:18):
Will yeah, he will be after probably after this season.
But so you're you're still in with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I just haven't seen enough for me to make a change.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
He was heard.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I saw him come back from that injury.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
I saw him go to Detroit and win that game
that at that point had saved their season.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
He had a stinker this past week. So whenever it well,
you know, it depends on what week. I don't think
that though, you think that was the conversation after they
beat the Lions in Detroit, like like, we we can't
win with that guy, or we need to look.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
For somebody else. I think I think the problem is
I'm just saying, like I doubt that that was the conversation.
Speaker 9 (37:55):
No, I'm but I'm saying I think the issue with
him is remember that fourth quarter Game one. He looked
awful those first two quarters, four star quarters, terrible, and
then he goes crazy in the fourth to follow that
up and only score six points. And then obviously there's
some injuries and you know, but for him, uh, that
was a great way in versus the Lions. But then
(38:16):
you lose to Baltimore, which is Baltimore's Lamar. But it's
just how bad. He hasn't looked great at all. And
I think that's the challenge. And by now I think
there's an expectation of you should be making progress.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
After five starts.
Speaker 9 (38:29):
I just yeah, you should. I bet you should do it.
It's not that bad if getting a full week.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
But that conversation should have happened after they beat the Lions.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
What conversation you're saying, not that that he's no good
or we.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Need to make a chance. I just don't like it
goes week to week after they beat the Lions.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
By the way, by the way, he wasn't that great
versus the Lions.
Speaker 9 (38:49):
By the way, He's fourteen to twenty five, fifty six
percent completion percent, one hundred and forty three yards, a
couple of touchdown one in exception.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Like it wasn't he wasn't a world beater.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
Yeah, but he still got it done. He got too
touchdowns against the lines to beat them.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah he was. I remember he made a big third
down play that kept that gave him.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
That was that.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That's the game. You saw the game he did.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
He fumbled, he he got sacked five times. I mean,
he wasn't great, rob like they got to win, but
he he made.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
What he had two touchdowns and he had the big throw.
That was the difference in the game. That's all I'm saying.
He doesn't have to be a Picasso every week. Nobody knows.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Can I get a Picasso? Can you give me one?
Bob Ross?
Speaker 9 (39:33):
He's he started five games? Can I can I get?
Can I get some accidental three? He's a beautiful clouds?
Can I get some of those dumbest thing of it?
I told y'all, I told y'all last season, I told
you this.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
I just what you told me.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Justin Fields was a good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
No, I did not do what I said was with him? Right?
You said, you're a journalist.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
You told me right, you said, oh, he won over
he won over the team.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
He did not. He did.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
What do you want from me to man?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
He ain't but win over?
Speaker 5 (40:10):
No team?
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Do you want for me?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
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I told you that too, A.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Six sixty three sixty nine. You also told me it
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should what should the Vikings do with JJ McCarthy? Does
he deserve to be the unquestioned starter again? In twenty
twenty six? We'll continue that conversation next with you. You
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Are you gonna say that every time?
Speaker 10 (03:44):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Cool because it fits. It just fits Alex. It fits
everything that we do. Thank you. Okay, wow, okay, right,
you should have the button for you, Alex?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yes, right, I think what are you doing? Do you
want to start? Stay alert? Alert Alert?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Exactly? There you go.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Rob g is our producer, but Mexican Brandon is also here.
You never heard of that's producing Brandon and he hear that.
But yes, what is that forty nine ers hat you
got on?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Man?
Speaker 5 (04:20):
No, no, Brandon, not that I see what you have
on it obviously means that it's cold out because he's
got on the forty nine ers hat Ski had. Everybody
has the hat on it here.
Speaker 9 (04:31):
I know it's all listen. Usually we we overreact in La.
It actually is cold degrees.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I took my hat off for the show, but I
had a hat on as well as Brandon. Now Manty
Bolanos is at the anchor. She'll keep me dated up
throughout the program. Yeah, and soccer is our social media guru.
He does a great job. Oop soccer.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
He ain't got us no headphones, So there you go.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
We're all good.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Well, Alex got the headphones from Elijah has Steve, he's golden.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
There you go. Yep, all right, Kelvin, there was some movement,
some news.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I guess news you could use from the your Los
Angeles Lakers because you're like a Laker fan, you're a
Pistons fan.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Wherever the wind blows.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
That.
Speaker 9 (05:20):
Let's start off on a good foot, Okay. I don't
want to have to come see about you. Yeah, I
want to have to come through this Noah's art, get
in my arc and come see you.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah. Man, But there's some news Lakers are.
Speaker 9 (05:29):
They're basically we knew when owner Mark Walters bought the
team that there could be some changes. When would have happened,
how would have happened, who would it happened to? And
now there's some big changes. So they're reshuffling the deck
there in the basketball department. And they fired executives Joey
and Jesse Buss from their respective front office positions that
they have effective immediately, uh. And they went on to
(05:52):
say that they're extremely honored to have been a part
of this organization for the last twenty years. And they
also said thank you to the Laker nation. Blah blah blah.
But you get expect with that. But I do think
was interesting is they said this Rob and this part
of our conversation. Doctor Buss's idea their father was for
Joey and I to run basketball operations one day.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
That's what Jesse told uh shamp Serani and referring.
Speaker 9 (06:13):
To the father, and he said, but Jeannie has effectively
kept herself in place with her siblings fired, so we
got a little succession going on like the TV show
in real life.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
I'm just gonna say this, the Lakers didn't do enough
for me, because Genie Buss should have been fired with
her brothers as well.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And what yeah, I'm that serious.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Once they've already taken the Bus family took the ten
billion dollars. And people have to understand everybody who owns
a team is not super rich.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And I'm not saying a.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Lot of people don't get that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
They don't get that.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
You think, oh, you own the Lakers. Oh my god,
all of them are your printing money. You got all
this money. No, that was the Bus family fit family business.
Speaker 9 (06:57):
Yep, that's the main They're not Steve Balmer where this
is my fun pet project.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Would a be? And this is just fun something to do.
It puts me out there.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
My name is out there, exactly know the Lakers were
the Buses family business.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
And and I don't I don't know the whole idea
or the whole idea that you sell a team to
somebody and you expect to still have a job there
or work there or collect money as pay. You got paid,
your family got paid, they got the ten billion. If
you want to be in the basketball business, then you
(07:36):
shouldn't have sold Just like Mark Cuban, I want another
seat at the table.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
What if that doesn't make any sense to me?
Speaker 5 (07:43):
It really doesn't, Dude, what you sell for the Bus
family enough, the people who won the organization, who bought
the team right of the Dodger people, get your own people.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You don't need Genie Bus anymore.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
And it does feel weird. And I'm not siding with
the brothers, but doesn't it feel weird?
Speaker 10 (08:02):
What?
Speaker 9 (08:02):
What?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Why didn't Genie get the red get the pink.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Slip as well?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Seriously?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
So here's my answer to that. I believe Genie Buss.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
Is the singular face of the Lakers outside of you know,
the players, obviously Luca Lebron and you know, God bless
the dead Kobe Scheck. But when you think of it organizationally,
nobody really thinks of Rob Pelinka except obviously Laker fans.
But when you think of it as a whole, like nationwide,
I think even even in LA she's endeared. You've been
the games, You've seen how fans. She's like the one
(08:33):
person fans are cool with. Even when the team's in
the dumps, she's the one person is like a family member.
She's like, all right, now, this team, they're struggling, but Genie.
Come on, like people have love for her because they
literally have seen her grow up from a teenager being
a part of this team.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
So I think she's there for ceremonial like the heart
of that.
Speaker 9 (08:52):
Come on. But I'm just telling you what you're there
because I don't think she's gonna be part of the
real basketball operations.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I don't. She doesn't need to be there at all.
I don't agree, I don't disagree without need. I'm telling
you what I think they're doing it for.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But not one Laker fan is.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Gonna lose any sleep that Genie Bust doesn't have an
office with the Lakers or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
They understand how business is. They agreed, nobody cares about
Jeanie Bust.
Speaker 9 (09:19):
She's old newsency, tingency of fans who still want a
connection to the good old days, the Bus Family, to
show time Lakers, and they want to have that. She's
not gonna be overly involved in the basketball operations. So
what's the point then, Sarah, it's you wanted to be
a mascot, is what you're telling me. You wanted to
(09:40):
be a mascot. She will want don't you put a mascot?
Go down there and walk around and throw t shaps
at and you know, and you know people do that
all the time, like Magic Johnson when he was prior
to when he finally when he was a president for
those couple of years.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
He's magic. He is a part of it, but he's madic.
Speaker 9 (09:55):
You feel comfortable, you feel good having around and he,
by the way, is someone there speculating Rodney Pete obviously
a friend of both of ours, who had put out
on his show A M five to seventy out here
in La that you know, he wouldn't be shocked if
Magic has some I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Know what that means. He wouldn't be shocked. Is Magic
gonna do something?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Just tell you what Rodney said? What do you want
from me?
Speaker 9 (10:14):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
That you know? And also Stan Caston, who is the
president Operation.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Stan Casting used to run the Hawks.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Stan Caston knows basketball and stand based up Dodgers, and
he'd been with the Braves. Stan Caston could easily easily
easily handle both because that's what he's done.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
He was I remember Stan Casting from the old days
with the Hawks.
Speaker 9 (10:37):
Yep, he has been all over. He's done a million
different things. So for those who kind of n't familiar
with them. You know, we mentioned it, the Braves, the Hawks,
the Dodgers. He's just really good at putting a team
together day to day, understanding the you know, the the
overall like what you're trying to do and accomplished. So
Stan Casting who was with the part ownership of the Dodgers.
So part owner means he's with Mark Walter and uh
(10:59):
and also Magic our owner the Dodgers with Mark Walter.
It would not surprise me if they start to slowly
bring over the team that has now got three rings
and what five six years has been in the playoffs,
really made this this team a great organization over the
last decade or so, So that would not shock me there.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
But again with the Genie bus.
Speaker 9 (11:15):
Point, I just think there's a hint of familiarity, a
hint of glory days years past, a hint of something
that Laker fans LA fans people can say, I remember that,
as opposed to like a hostile takeover where it's like, hey,
oh hold on now, so I now.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Not longer that lasts had a hostile takeover.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
You dollars, if you're used to the bus, you.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Didn't lose the team.
Speaker 9 (11:38):
I ain't lying the money is great, I'm saying on
the fan base looking at ownership and if everything that
had to do with the Lakers pass was gone, I
could see some Laker fans.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Being who owned the team before the bus Family?
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Do you know? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Okay, there you go. That's what I was gonna say.
Right the bus been on.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
This is nineteen seventy nine. Don't nobody remember all that?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
What do you mean nineteen seventy nine and one hundred
years ago?
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Rock? I wasn't born, Jack, I wasn't born. You don't
have to be born. You know who the president of
the first president of the United States was. You weren't
born then? You know? All right?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
What Barack Obama?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Ball?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I wasn't born.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Jack can't cook and they okay, when when the bus
Family took over, he didn't have to stay on.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
He sold your team.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Come on because the body because he wasn't doing nothing
within it. They wasn't winning.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Did the eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox?
Speaker 9 (12:28):
We're gonna be me and you'll be fired. It's trash
socker too. You want to leave me like a TV team?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So on Thursday, that's all right.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
You see, they knew, they knew the gods knew, God
knew not to have me next to you around. We'd
be rumbling in this dude, to be some furniture moving
up in there?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
All right?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Did the Lakers make a mistake not dumping Genie Bust
today as well?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You hear me, they make a mistake. We'll continue that
conversation next with you.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
You didn't want no Busses in the in the in
crypto no more?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Uh no Genie Bust as in b us T. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Where are you on this? Genie Buss not showing the
door with a brothers? Or should she have been?
Speaker 5 (13:11):
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Speaker 2 (15:46):
Is Thanksgiving the worst major holiday of the year.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yeah, Rob g wants some smoke today, huh.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I guess so?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
So we got all of that coming up in our
number two and don't forget to Night Football.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I don't know, I don't, I'll just are.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
You Are you talking about Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Bills Ands and the Texans? Like I don't want to
be a killed joy, but I just are you hyped?
Speaker 9 (16:16):
There is a reason I'm glad you asked me because
you lead us to our topic here. The reason I
think anyone will be high today is specifically.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Josh Allen.
Speaker 9 (16:26):
Josh Allen spectacular raining MVP. Last week did some stuff
that no one else does at the rate he's doing it.
Three touchdowns through the air, three touchdowns on the ground.
It's just been He's spectacular. So if anyone's excited, it's
because he's in it. The Texans are great defensively, but yeah,
you know, don't necessarily bring a bunch of I expect
again to be close because of their defense.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
But leading to our topic, there's.
Speaker 9 (16:49):
A discussion that is Josh Allen the greatest running and
passing the dual threat quarterback ever and he enters tonight
rap Thursday Night Football tied with Cam Newton for the
most regular season rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in NFL history.
Had they both have seventy five, so one more he's
gonna break the record. And then of course you start
(17:10):
to look at the stuff that he's been able to do.
He has ten rushing touchdowns so far this season, trailing
only Jonathan Taylor, who's a running back. In Green Bay's
Josh Jacob who's a running back, So he's doing stuff
at a rate as if he's a running back when
you're talking gonna gett an the Enzo. So the question
becomes is he the greatest dual threat quarterback ever? And
(17:31):
the answer is yes, And it's literally because of what
I just mentioned there. If you're asking me who's the
most exciting, effortless video game looking.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
That is Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
If you're just talking about a guy who can get
the yards because he's a Lamar has way more yards
to him. When you're talking about just total yards rushing,
Lamar Jackson is ahead of him in that ring. But
when you're talking about excitement, I think of Michael Vick.
I think of Lamar Jackson as I mentioned, but productivity
as far as getting your running but in the end zone,
that is Josh Allen jumping over people, running people over
(18:08):
and then.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Still have the ability to turn around three throw three touchdowns.
Speaker 9 (18:11):
Josh Allen has become that simply edging out Lamar in
a sense of productivity in the end zone. As far
as aesthetically, that's still Lamar for me, Like as far
as just pure when I watch this person play, I go, okay,
this is just he looks like he's playing against college
players of high school players.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Lamar still has that.
Speaker 9 (18:28):
But as far as getting it done on the productivity side,
specifically with the running in the end zone, Lamar just
edges him out for Josh just edges him out for me.
And the stuff that both of them have done. By
the way the ages they are is crazy. It's not
like they're at the end of their career. They're gonna
set records so far ahead of everybody. When it comes
to Lamar with the rushing yards. When it comes to
Josh Allen with the touchdowns for a quarterback, he's gonna
(18:51):
he's on a dirajectory at the end of the twenty
twenty eight season to have triple digit rushing touchdowns, that's insane.
So that's where I am he's the greatest one. You're
talking about getting the job done in the end zone.
Whether it be passing, whether it be running.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Where are you? I have a feeling you're more Lamar.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Yeah, I don't think it's close, and you're just putting
up The issue I have is to think it's just
about numbers, Okay, And it's not just about numbers, because
that's a style of play that the Bills have decided
they want to go with with Josh Allen, and unlike that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Everybody could criticize.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Lamar when he was running the ball in and he
obviously decided that he didn't have to do that anymore, Right,
he didn't have to give up his body and wind
up getting hurt. And I'll give you a couple of
examples on why Josh Allen isn't the best dual threat.
It's Lamar Jackson and it's not even close. John Stockton
has is the all time assist leader. Nobody thinks he's
(19:52):
the better passor than Magic Johnson. No zero, even though
he has more assists. Right, he's done it better than that.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Oh, he got all the assists.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Nobody thinks he's better passed than Magic Johnson. Another one,
Tom Brady. Tom Brady has all the stats, all the
stuff you want you talk to anybody in the NFL
and take away the Super Bowls because that's what puts
him on everybody's list, and say who's the best quarterback? Skill, arm, strained, accuracy,
(20:23):
all that. Tom Brady is not the best quarterback. He's
the most accomplished quarterback. He would you agree with that
he's not the best quarterback?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Five guys that Aaron Rodgers right, You could pick five
guys easily ahead of Tom Brady.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
He's the most accomplished because when you put the winning
and all those stats, then you could say.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, tom Brady forever.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
People want to say he's their goat or whatever it is,
but it doesn't make him the best quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And the same thing with Josh Allen. I don't think
he's I don't.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Think there's an out that if I stack those two
guys up together, I would take Lamar ten out of
ten out as being a dual threat. Lamar's throwing the
football and where he is with the passing game and
trying to stop that. Dude, I'm not talking about just
from the one yard line or instead of getting it's
(21:21):
off to the full back or the running back or whatever,
going in yourself rather than giving it to somebody else,
and that's what he does. And a lot of times
you can still run in for more than a yard
or two out. But that's the play that they call
the style of play.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
So I'm I'm not, I don't. I don't believe he's
better than Lamar as far as a dual threat.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I think the difference for me, again is a couple
of things.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
One, his ability is size like that always makes it
where he can just run guys over and get up
like it was nothing and still again go right back
to airing it out and need be Also again, Lamar
has thirty four touchdowns and again we talked about seventy five,
so he has less than half of Josh Allen when
it talks to just getting an enzo, and that to
(22:02):
me is just a small hair on my chinny chin
chin separator. You know, I think Lamar Jackson is the
best player when everything.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
How do you think he's the best player?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
If you say that Josh Allen is the best dual
threat quarterback in the history of the NFL, how can
Lamar be better than him?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I tell you what, please, because that makes no sense
to me.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I tell you why.
Speaker 9 (22:23):
Because Lamar's speed alone, that portion of it makes him different.
But I'm talking about for me, Josh Allen getting Indian
zone throwing an the Enzo. That's the but I'm telling
you for me, so Lamar.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
But if he's the best dual threat quarterback, ever, how
could he not be better than Lamar? Yh is he
the greatest dual threat quarterback? So if he's the greatest
dual threat quarterback, he's not better than Lamar.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
How No, because Lamar Lamar's passing ability right now, because
because of the way he plays, he's getting we already
talk about it his winning percentage, right talk about the
way Lamar, his style of play, his winning I think
he's at what seventy two percent of his games or
something crazy like that. Lamar, especially the early part of
his career when he was more run century Lamar. Right now,
(23:11):
both of those guys are video game players, which is
why the last three four years is going to be
pick your choice of who is gonna win a MVP.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
So Lamar makes it look so effortless.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
It looks like a video game, as does Josh, but
Lamar makes it He's a little bit more trickier to
game plan for.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
And he's just a little bit more unique.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
But when I'm saying, just simply do a threat and
it's close if you say Lamar, if I'm not mad
at you, I just think for me, his ability, his
being Josh to get in the end zone both ways
is the small separator for me that that's the only
difference on sidings.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
To logical that then Lamar is a better player because
what Okay, let me respind that.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Let me because it doesn't I don't understand that.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
But see I don't. This is where we're different.
Speaker 9 (23:57):
Patrick Mahomes had been the best player for years and
he's no wing near as dynamic is either. He can run,
but no way near as dynamics. So it's not just
being a great runner doesn't simply make you the best play.
Aaron Rodgers was the best player and he wasn't the
most running quarterback. So rust player doesn't equate to just
simply no.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
But it says the great, all right. I'm just trying
when you say, you know what.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
I'm saying, like lam Lamar being the best doesn't mean
he's that he has to have better legs or like
you can.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Peyton Manny was the best player for some time. He
wasn't running nowhere.
Speaker 10 (24:27):
No.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
But but the the idea that you're talking about the
same two guys, you're saying, You've said Lamar is the
best player in the league, but Josh Allen is the
best duel because they're not because they both do that.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
They both do that, they both.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Know.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
These two guys are both dual.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
Right, yeah, absolutely, okay, but they're probably the best two
edits okay, So, but but you.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Say Lamar is the best quarterback, but he's the best
duel to.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
Because Lamar doesn't Lamar is a capability is more so
maybe getting out the pocket some scrambles.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I'll run around Josh is a lot of times I'm
getting in the end zone.
Speaker 9 (25:12):
So it ends in the results of him getting in
the end zone one way, the one way, or they're
through air or through running. And that's to me when
I'm saying the only that threat of him scoring from it.
He has seventy five rushing Jones House, Lamary has thirty four.
But a massive difference.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Yeah, but it's just not I just gave you the
example of the John Stockton. You think John Stockton is
a better point card than Magic Johnson?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
No, No, no, why not? What I'm saying, but that
goes says he has more as system magic and Magic.
Speaker 9 (25:42):
Johnson was bigger, Magic Johnson was stronger, Magic Johnson was
able to score better and something. But it's more than
just as simple that that's what a dual threat. Both
of them are have gotten really good as fast as
over the years. But they're both pack.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
But would you would you acknowledge that the Ravens have
gone away from a being they got Derek hen Reid,
they had other that that that's not what they want
Lamar to do.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
It, not that he can't do it, is that they
don't want him to do it. And it's a style
of play. That's what I'm trying to say that.
Speaker 9 (26:11):
So if we had that Lamar can doing two years
ago or in two years from now, I might, you know,
change it then. But as of the last two couple
couple of years, we've seen Josh Allen and I told
you that's why I think singularly won him that MVP
last year, and he was running all over the place,
jumping over people in snow doing literally.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Sny buddy, buddy. But he wasn't the NFL All First
Team All Pro quarterback.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Hey, they changed their vote what you want from me, Rob,
what you want from me?
Speaker 7 (26:38):
None?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
None of this makes sense to me, all right?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
They changed their votes.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. Maybe you understand
Kelvin because I don't. I don't know how you get don't.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't get it. I don't know how.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
If Josh Allen is the best duel threat quarterback of
all time, he should be the best player right now.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Oh God, I just think that that's they go hand
in hand.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Is Josh Allen the great? He is dual threat quarterback
of all time? Kelvin says yes. I say hell no,
Oh God, no, p We'll continue that conversation next with you.
We want to hear from you. Eight seven seven ninety
nine on Fox. Oh God, eight seven seven six sixty
three sixty nine. It is the odd couple on a
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here we are Thursday Night Football, another snoozer, six to three,
thirteen minutes to go in the half of the bull
the Bulls the Buffalo Bills up six to three over
the Texas.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
No CJ. Stroud in this one, missing his third straight game.
Speaker 9 (29:05):
Yeah, I mean, once you knew the Texans were in it,
there was a chance for it to be a snoozer
because they're a good team defensively that keep themselves in games.
Can't squad Just yeah, their games aren't the most exciting.
I mean, they had a couple of decent ones, but
thank for God for their defense.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Again, that's when we knew the Ravens were really bad
on that deep Remember they scored forty.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Let the Ravens looked like that. You mentioned the buffalo
bills of bold or something.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
I'm like, what in the world that was crazy to
me because because they had struggled mightily to try to score.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But I do remember that they got a ton of
points against the Ravens.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Yep, uh, Kelvin, Let's let's go to the Minnesota Vikings
to we have the story.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
Yeah, well, there's just you know, JJ McCarthy obviously has
not had a great season.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
When you kind of jump into the numbers.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
You know what, when I hear that, I'm like, he
saved your season beating the Lions in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That was a huge game from Minnesota begin.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
But rock we said I said season. I didn't say
they have a good game.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
No, But I'm just saying that, like he's only playing
He's only started like five games in his career.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
And he's been bad when that's the problem when you
look at it.
Speaker 9 (30:13):
So, but the drama, let me say it, the drama
for you ka drama k because uh, Chris Carter, one
of the all time great Minnesota Vikings, he he was
called a clown. McCarthy's trainer called him a clown for
criticizing JJ. So essentially, had Chris Carter, Uh, somebody was
saying Aucho was saying that he was playing well, and
then he said did you watch he being Chris Carter,
(30:34):
did you watch the first fifty nine minutes of the game.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
And then he put a little thumbs down emoji.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
And so Greg Holcomb, who was the longtime trainer who's
worked with macarthy, he replied by calling him a blanking clown.
So then he later of course deleted the post, apologized
and you know, did the whole thing that was unprofessional, disrespectful.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
But when you start to the conversation becomes there's some uh,
some thought process or just saying some NFL insiders have
gotten to the point where Mike Florio's claiming a team
could look to bring in Matt Jones, who mac Jones
to compete for QB one next off season, and Diana
Reciding of the Athletics wondering got loud whether McCarthy will
(31:13):
even be on the roster next season. Boyd, things have
escalated quickly and to your point, my gosh, he hasn't
looked great, but dagging, it's been a you know, half
a season for him. I'll throw out the numbers then
you can go ahead, Rob. The numbers are He's completed
only fifty three percent of his pass is lowest among
the forty eight quarterbacks who have made at least one
(31:33):
start this season. His off target rate is twenty two
point one percent, which ranks forty seven, and his eight
total touchdowns, nine turnovers, and his sixty one point seven
passer rating basically everybody's he has him at the bottom
of every metric in the league.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
All right, I just for five starts in his career,
is that where we are? Like, it's just totally with Dick.
It's just not enough of a sample size. He's been
heard twice already. He has to get under his under
his feet. I just don't even understand this.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I just think people they say this about every quarterback.
One quarterback is not winning they want him out. One
quarterback is winning every week, they want him out. Another
quarterback is on his third team in three years, and
he's the next coming of the Messiah, and they make
excuses for that quarter I don't even get it anymore.
(32:26):
I thought that Minnesota could could transform any quarterback into
into into a decent quarterback and play the system.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
It was right?
Speaker 6 (32:36):
That is that?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Does that out the window?
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Now?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I just five games? Is that all you get?
Speaker 5 (32:42):
So when Shador loses on Saturday on Sunday to the Raiders,
he should be done right like like he should be done.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I think this is weird.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
I'm gonna tell you why this is weird for me, Ron,
It's weird because this is the guy you thought so
highly of. You went up to get him for the
tenth pick. He wasn't a guy that was projected to
be that high. You went out of your way to
get him. You had him as a projected starter. He
gets injured, Sam Donald goes in all of a sudden,
ends up having a great season.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
You elected not resigned to him, which was.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
The right move, which was the wrong move.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
He wouldn't be having this, we wouldn't be sitting in
this conversation, Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Could be bad, could be bad too.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
No, he went away and balling out in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
No, but that doesn't mean he would have been balling
out this year.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Why would he regress with the team all the time?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
He would gressed in the postseason. He regressed at the
end of.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
The Yeah, he had a bad to don't disagree. There's
no there's no facts.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
So so he played great, doesn't mean you played great
throughout the entire season. He played.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Game. A bad game means when that kid came back,
he went to Detroit where who had owned the Vikings,
and beat and beat the Lions in Detroit and played
pretty well.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
In that I was a bad loss Lions, okay about that,
But but so here and that's what I'm agreeing in
that this can't be the guy you thought so highly
highly of. That's why I was setting it up that
you went to get him at ten. You didn't sign
San Donald, and he goes out there and he competes
and he's not playing well.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
But now you're like, oh, well we might go elsewhere.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Like you thought that highly of him, Give him a
full year, give him another season, and I've I've as
born and raised in Arbor, was baffled. You heard me
saying for months that I didn't see that type of
quarterback in him. He it was a product of Jim
Harbaugh's running his.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Defense and say that that was his style that does.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
And not that he didn't not that he didn't have
a place in the league. But I was shocked that
they went to get him at tenth. That's why a
lot of people Martin Wise who went to Michigan kind
of like, wait.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Whoa okay, but there's all kinds of other stuff in
intel and whatnot and what kind of guy you.
Speaker 9 (34:49):
But that's what makes this conversation weird. That's why they
would want to possibly, you know, look at us.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I don't I don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
I don't know if it's if it's hearsay or that's
really coming from the people upstairs, you know, like like
you just don't know because we don't throw stuff out
all the time. And this makes no sense to me.
If he hasn't played enough, he had sample sized as
small and that was my.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Thing about him.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
Even in college he didn't play a lot like he
wasn't he got finally a senior year to be or
not his senior I think was junior senior. But he
got to that last year to be the guy like,
all right, it's your team. And yes they won a
national championship, but he didn't do much, which was why
I was always baffled by that. But I do think
what you wanted him to do. Yeah, I'm not mad
at No, I'm not mad at his Michigan career.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
I met him.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
It wasn't like they needed him. He couldn't do it.
Speaker 9 (35:41):
Fine, This was Jim Harball, one of them. Absolutely, he
did that all the time with with his quarterbacks a lot.
So I wasn't He was perfectly fine for that system.
I was just shocked they went up and got him
that high. And now it makes you wonder, is it
Kevin O'Connell, who normally can revise, vitalize.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Cater quarterback whisper is what I was told?
Speaker 9 (36:02):
Yeah, so is he off his rocker right now? Is
he a little off his game? Or is JJ just
not the guy right now? Because I ain't gonna lie.
Fifty two point nine percent of his passes is atrocious
rock a game.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I'll give you that. That happens everybody. Patrick mahomes Lamar anybody.
Speaker 9 (36:21):
Two games, all right, they are for five games, fifty
two point nine percent with those types of weapons, rock
that and that defense, meaning you're gonna get more cracks
at it.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
That is terrible. That is that is really really, really bad.
And then to be off target at.
Speaker 9 (36:38):
Twenty two percent of your passes has you forty seventh,
meaning forty six other guys are higher and better at
that than you.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
That's bad. Six touchdowns, eight interceptions. So he's on the
struggle bus. But they can't act like this isn't the
guy that they brought in and believed in and didn't get.
Speaker 9 (36:54):
Sam Donald for and let some other people go to.
They could have had on what's your boy? Daniel Jones?
He was over there, you know what I mean? They
had options, and this is who you elected to go
in and rod with.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
They could have have They could have had Justin Fields.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Well we might've been having the same conversation right now.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
They could still have Justin Fields. He's available. He's been benched,
you see he.
Speaker 9 (37:18):
Will yeah, he will be after probably after this season.
But so you're you're still in with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I just haven't seen enough for me to make a change.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
He was heard.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I saw him come back from that injury.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
I saw him go to Detroit and win that game
that at that point had saved their season.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
He had a stinker this past week. So whenever it well,
you know, it depends on what week. I don't think
that though, you think that was the conversation after they
beat the Lions in Detroit, like like, we we can't
win with that guy, or we need to look.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
For somebody else. I think I think the problem is
I'm just saying, like I doubt that that was the conversation.
Speaker 9 (37:55):
No, I'm but I'm saying I think the issue with
him is remember that fourth quarter Game one. He looked
awful those first two quarters, four star quarters, terrible, and
then he goes crazy in the fourth to follow that
up and only score six points. And then obviously there's
some injuries and you know, but for him, uh, that
was a great way in versus the Lions. But then
(38:16):
you lose to Baltimore, which is Baltimore's Lamar. But it's
just how bad. He hasn't looked great at all. And
I think that's the challenge. And by now I think
there's an expectation of you should be making progress.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
After five starts.
Speaker 9 (38:29):
I just yeah, you should. I bet you should do it.
It's not that bad if getting a full week.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
But that conversation should have happened after they beat the Lions.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
What conversation you're saying, not that that he's no good
or we.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Need to make a chance. I just don't like it
goes week to week after they beat the Lions.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
By the way, by the way, he wasn't that great
versus the Lions.
Speaker 9 (38:49):
By the way, He's fourteen to twenty five, fifty six
percent completion percent, one hundred and forty three yards, a
couple of touchdown one in exception.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Like it wasn't he wasn't a world beater.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
Yeah, but he still got it done. He got too
touchdowns against the lines to beat them.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah he was. I remember he made a big third
down play that kept that gave him.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
That was that.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That's the game. You saw the game he did.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
He fumbled, he he got sacked five times. I mean,
he wasn't great, rob like they got to win, but
he he made.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
What he had two touchdowns and he had the big throw.
That was the difference in the game. That's all I'm saying.
He doesn't have to be a Picasso every week. Nobody knows.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Can I get a Picasso? Can you give me one?
Bob Ross?
Speaker 9 (39:33):
He's he started five games? Can I can I get?
Can I get some accidental three? He's a beautiful clouds?
Can I get some of those dumbest thing of it?
I told y'all, I told y'all last season, I told
you this.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
I just what you told me.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Justin Fields was a good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
No, I did not do what I said was with him? Right?
You said, you're a journalist.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
You told me right, you said, oh, he won over
he won over the team.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
He did not. He did.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
What do you want from me to man?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
He ain't but win over?
Speaker 5 (40:10):
No team?
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Do you want for me?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Come on, man? Jay eight seven seven ninety nine.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
I told you that too, A.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Six sixty three sixty nine. You also told me it
was gonna be Washington. Didn't you tell me that? What
should what should the Vikings do with JJ McCarthy? Does
he deserve to be the unquestioned starter again? In twenty
twenty six? We'll continue that conversation next with you. You
also told me the Pistons were gonna beat the Nicks.
(40:39):
I could go on and on, but we don't have
that much time. It is the odd couple Rob Parker
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