November 24, 2025 • 38 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether Shedeur Sanders showed enough against the Las Vegas Raiders to remain as the Cleveland Browns’ QB1 moving forward, and tell us whether Patrick Mahomes and the underwhelming Kansas City offense will wind up being the reason the Chiefs miss the playoffs. Plus, former Pro Bowl wide receiver and ‘Up on Game’ co-host TJ Houshmandzadeh swings by to discuss Sanders’ big win over the Raiders, his confidence level in Daniel Jones moving forward, and much more!
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Speaker 4 (03:01):
There we go, all right, Rob g U, I think
we talked about this on Friday, that if Shador can't
beat the Raiders, he can't beat anybody.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
And guess that's what I said. Remember I did you? No,
I'm staying with you consistent. Did I not say that Friday?
You did say that? Come on?
Speaker 5 (03:20):
If I said if he can't beat them, then he
really got some issues.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
But go ahead, Rob.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
The thing is he did beat them, beat them pretty sound.
I'll say them us beat us? Yes, there you go,
beat us so bad? Or oh got fired after the game?
I mean, who is who has failed up more than
Chip Kelly Rob Parker.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Of Rock staring into the camera the you two to
let me hear that later ros A good joke.
Speaker 8 (03:50):
What I swear every day for this show disrespect to
come here and get disrespected.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
That was a good joke.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
It was a good God forty years.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Or zero, most guys in this business get a cup
of coffee in this sweet role.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Them up, Robie years. I think you're just rolling a segment.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
No kick going, okay, all right, yeah, schaduor Sander's gotta win.
In his NFL starting debut eleven of twenty two or
nine a touchdown in a pick. He now owns the
two longest completions of the season for the Cleveland Browns
in one season, as he will be starting next week
when they've faced the San Francisco forty nine ers. And
if you ask shaduor Sanders about it, he's not surprised.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Take a listen.
Speaker 9 (04:34):
Everybody's not in the best situation, but it's no excuse.
You gotta go out there and perform like there's no choice,
is no question, nobody cares. If this is when we
could prep, who cares?
Speaker 7 (04:44):
You know?
Speaker 9 (04:44):
So a lot of people wanted to see me feel
and it ain't gonna happen. You know, it ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I just think it really comes down to when you
look at what Dylan Gabriel was doing me and you
talked about it on it wasn't bad.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
It was just eh, you know, it wasn't bad. It
wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It was just kind of enough to keep it round
a couple of two, three weeks. And then I think
the difference with Shadur is Shadure ended up having that
juice something about him, got that juice from his teammates.
Miles Garrett over here falling about his past and you
talk about the the Mona passes he had. He had
ten point four yards per a tent, which was the
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best by any quarterback throughout this season. He had the
longest pass play of the season for at that time
when he completed it. And I just think that extra
bit of juice literally in a physical sense, the ability
to go downfield. And Stefanski talked about it. They say
why now, why him? He said, at the end of
the day, his ability to go downfield. He had a
few plays that were, you know, launched down there thirty
plus yards Dylan Gabriel Henley had won in his handful
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of starts, and I think that was a difference along
with not just the tangible things you see on the field,
the intangibles, what I think people believe in him. I
think his teammates he just gives him an extra spark.
And when you're looking at two quarters back to a
rookies who are not as if they're coming in Andrew Luck,
you know this is you're supposed to be the guy.
That little bit is a separator, and that little bit
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is enough for win you the job for you know,
I'm assuming the rest of the season, We'll have to
see how it all plays out.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And now here we are.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's funny and it's like, after all that we talked
about in the offseason, all up and during the draft,
all to the beginning of preseason. During the season, Shadure
Sanders has a chance to end up starting potentially would
end up being like seven games if he ends up
riding this thing out, which would be a great start.
To a rookie campaign to get those starts and those
legs reps under you, get your legs under you moving
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into next season if he ends up being a starter
or not. But that's what to me. I knew when
we were sitting here that he would have a chance
to start some games this season with Joe Flacco, who
he already knew he was, Kenny Piety, we knew he
wasn't even a part of this, and in Dylan Gabriel
just a rookie we don't know, but we had a
shot of seventeen weeks him not gonna be able to
start off seventeen. So Shaduer got his crack, he made
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the best of it, and now he is for the
projective future.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
So congrats to him.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
So lame and so weak, but that's what I expected
from you, because this was under any if this was
any other quarterback without the name Chador Sanders for a
guy had two hundred yards that and in fact, Geno
Smith had a better quarterback rating that yesterday.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Gino Smith had a better quarterback rating than Shador Sanders.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
And guess what, Gino Smith's offensive coordinator got fired off
of that game. But here's my point, yes, he had
one dump off that went for sixty what was it,
sixty six yards?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It was a dump off.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
They're making it like and Miles Garrett is standing there
like he's never seen anybody throw a ball fifty yards
or whatever, like really like, it's the over drama.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
It's the it's the over drama of the what am
I trying to say.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Over dramatizing, dramatization of a guy as if he walked
off the street and he can't pl football.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Nobody said he can't play.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Can he be a starting quarterback and replicate that week
after week after week? Yes, I expected him to play
pretty well. If he had a bad game. You know
what people would have said today, Well.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Dony his first dart.
Speaker 10 (08:17):
You can't Dony his first dart. And I'm not saying
he played poorly. He played Okay, he played okay. If
this was Dylan Gabriel, you'll be telling me the same thing.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Oh was okay, he had an interception, he dumped off
for a sixty six yard pass, Okay, he played fine.
But now people are trying to justify their narrative for him,
and the same thing. He could sit there all day,
people hoping that our failed. Whatever, go ahead with the
US against the world.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
You have to win games.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
You'll have to continue to play well, so you can
use all of that the same people.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Oh the Cleveland brow, they're shutting him up to fail.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Did they set him up to face yesterday? No, he
got to start against the Raiders. No, that was that
a setup? You still believe that, Oh, absolutely believe. I'm
glad you mentioned that. I'll get you this, Rob.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Do we have any of the sound of Stefanski congratulating him, because,
my guys, that was the worst congratulatory Uh, come.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
On, started to a guy to a guy.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You don't need a guy to a guy who got
You know how many times they go like this, all right,
good gay, we were sixty ten or third downs and
give it up for this guy. You got his first winning, right, crazy?
He didn't get that.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Yeah we did.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
We did this in a real game. Yeah, good game.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
No, they knew they couldn't go back to Dylan gab
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Even make That's what they knew. They could not go
back to.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Dylan Gabriel because in the best about it, nothing nothing
nothing you said, nothing you said had any any change
anything in what I said.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
He's the first quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Dude, a wedding, a wedding starting, come on the start
their first game? What are you talking about? What does
that mean to you? What does that mean that an
organization who never has a quarterback that starts?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Well? What does he just started? Well?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So if Dylan Gabriel won, he should be the quarterback
for the rest of his career.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
If Dylan Gabriel started, If Dylan Gabriel started, won the game.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Went down the field multiple.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Times this see he has a bad game and throws
three picks and it's terrible at his next start.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
What does that mean? That means he had three picks
and look terrible at first start. But if he looks
like the guy that has a higher.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Ceiling game, if he has a higher nelly only saying
that because it should Doe, it's.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
The same.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Lord, if he's got a higher ceiling, you go with
that guy. What I told you was he was gonna start.
That's what I told you. How did he start? What
do you mean he starts? How did he get the start?
How did he get the start? Because he just performed, No,
he did not. How did he get to start? You
answer the question? How did he get to start because
because what Dylan Gabriel got hurt Dylan Gabriel her right
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now because they just he's gonna get the start because
he did not. They say, you clear, now, that's how
we got start who started, That's how we got But
that's not you.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I said that was the case if he was the
guy you're talking about. And how about the Jews and
all that, it's the same nonsense, the same nonsense that
you told me with the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Let me talk. Go ahead, let me talk. Stop interrupting me,
stop interrupting.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Go ahead, the same garment you told me, uh with
the with the Steelers and how what's called took over
the locker room and all the players are behind him
and he had more up the up Jews for everybody
else and they all rallied around him and all that
other stuff. All I'm saying is you're hoping and wishing.
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The results will be the final answer, not what you're
hoping and wishing. And that's what you always do. You
pick a guy.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And you know that told you he would start, he's starting.
Stop told you he was. You did not he had
he already had had started over him. He didn't even
have Tom repped up and up until this week, up
until this week, and he was starting more. That's what
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Lord Gabriel had, all these number one starts. He had
to start because.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
They won a game.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
They beat the Raiders, Big wamp man, stop overreacting.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Till you go.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You all came in cool action you did? I said,
he played pretty ridiculous. The team had like you of
the Year? Now is he should do a Rookie of
the Year losing it over because because it was this
was any.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Other quarterback and without the regular Joe blow name. Ain't
no way you coming in here? Are we even talking
about a guy through for two hundred and nine yards
and sixty six of the with a with a quarterback
rating of seventy seven. A uh two hundred and nine?
You are sixty six on a dump off play.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Come on, man, stop and I'll tell you that you're wrong,
because we did this for Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
No, we did not do the same thing.
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Speaker 3 (13:57):
Rob G.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I was going to say something, but I'm gonna stick
and not say that the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I don't even know where you's going. I'm just I'm good, Okay, Okay,
that's gotta be racist.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
No what the Kansas City Chiefs, Rob G was given
an early Christmas gift. I don't know they they the
Colts had them down, situations looked like they were gonna
beat them, didn't score in the fourth quarter or overtime.
Chiefs are racing eleven point deficit and win. But I
know you thought the offense had taken a turn. They
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had a handful of weeks, but they it's been it's
kind of falling back, rob g. The offense is just
not that not that potent. What hasn't been.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Yeah, the Colts had them dead to right early in
the fourth quarter, up by eleven. The Chiefs had just
fumbled the ball away to them. Right, Hey, the clock's
in your favor. Run the clock down, milk it as
far as you can. They got to score twice with
a two point conversion just to tie. Okay, and somehow,
someway they need to have this. Colts decide to call
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nine Daniel Jones passing plays in the final twelve plays
of the game.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Got Jonathan Taylor, by the way, he wasn't having a
great game, but he.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Was fifty something yard.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
But you still have to run the ball for the clock.
They have to burn their timeouts. Have to do it
right to stop it and keep the defense honest.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
If nothing else, dude, the Colts did not gain a
first down in the fourth quarter overtime. Jones completed three
of nine attens for seventeen yards during that span between
the fourth quarter and overtime.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Is that Daniel Jones again and Chiefs defense? How the
Colts are in total?
Speaker 6 (15:33):
How the Colts the ten first down the two and
fifty five total yards, both season lows for Indianapolis. But
to your point, Rob, offensively for the Chiefs because their
defense play came to play obviously, Yeah, they slammed the door.
Offensively is another uneven performance. Patrick Mahomes another zero touchdown
one in.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
The last three games. Now, Rob, do you go ahead?
Speaker 6 (15:55):
One touchdown, three picks with the passer rating in.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
The seventies, it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
And offensively as a unit, Kansas City, with arguably the
greatest quarterback ever one of the greatest coaches, are averaging
a robust twenty points per game, which if this was
the length of the season, would ranked in the bottom
six in the NFL, which is alongside quarterbacks and teams
such as JJ McCarthy, Justin Fields, Geno Smith, the teams
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of that nature.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And I think this is to me and who would
have thought this.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Their offense will be the reason they don't make the
playoffs because it just hasn't been up to snuff and
when they've played Now, now, the Cults are a good team, right,
they were what eight and three going in. That's a
rare win for them against a good team. And it
took and it took the Colts like not doing what
you should do when you have a lead in a
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fourth quarter, which is running football, eight o'clock whatever, even overtime.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
They didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
And my point is it looked like when they got
some of those receivers back. You saw that for what
was it, three weeks they had three weeks?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
What they look like? Oh, Patrick Mahomes is the MVP.
Where did that go? Remember that conversation?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, unless he they would have to go on a
crazy win every game, and he put up two or
three touchdowns a game for that.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
I don't even I just the three this this three
game stretch right here, one touchdown three in that regard
and that in that regard, And I think that when
you look at it, they easily could have lost that
third this third game, it's a miracle that they won,
kept their season alive.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
What are they six and five? Now? They still got
a hard way to go.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
It ain't like an easy because you got two teams
ahead of them and a whole bunch of teams, so
it's it's not like they're out of the woods. But
I think their offense is what's hurting them more than anything.
And will be the reason why the Chiefs don't make
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And I'm still sticking to that despite the win.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Obviously, if they would have lost Sunday and be five
and six, I mean, they really would have had a hurdle.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
It's still gonna be different.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I think that win saved their season. You know, if
they're gonna make the postseason, that was it. They lose that,
they're out. I don't even care if the mathematically they
still have probability of a chick. They would have been
out had they lost that game at that particular time.
Now we'll see how the rest of the season goes.
They can lose it, you know where they can lose.
They couldn't lose that. That would have been too many games
with too many big games to come. So a couple
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of things. I hear you on the offense the last
handful of games, but when you look at the numbers,
we were all saying, what's wrong with the Chiefs. This
is two years in a row. Last year, Patrick Mahomes
doesn't look right. I was saying he's missing easy passes
he normally doesn't. Here's the crazy part. This season compared
to last season, points per game they're ninth.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Last season.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Fifteenth yards per game they're seventh last season, sixteenth, passing
yards per game they're fifth. Fifth last season they were
fourteen teenth and again rushing yards there sixteenth, and they
were twenty seconds. So in every one of the metrics
that you'd want to go by offensively, they actually are
better than in some cases significantly better, but.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Not not of late.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I'm talking about of late these last three games where
they were one and two.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
What I'm saying, so they went a whole season being
mid literally the definition of mid sixteen, fourteen to fifteenth,
and then we're able to still be fifteen and two
because of that defense and those one of course, the
one score games, which which they haven't.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Been able to struggle, but they finally got that one. Yep.
So the offense, if the offense can be.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
A better hybrid of what they were the beginning of
this season, you know, the first the last four games
prior to the three game stretch, if they can be
closer to that, along with this defense, they're still going
to be a very difficult team to beat. And when
you start to project out a little bit uh things
that hold in their favor, this is the conversation I
was having with you last week about Josh Allen. ROGI
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he's two win seven was the stat when he doesn't
score a touchdown? Josh Allen, if he's two and seven,
if he doesn't put up a touchdown in the game,
and that's the bird in the onus is always on him.
Rois Patrick mahomes to what we were just saying, can
have three hundred and fifty yards in an interception with
no touchdown last he last yesterday and still win a game.
So that's the credit and the luxury he has of
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having a really good defense and having a coaching staff
that can find other ways to win. Also, you start
to look at their schedule down the stretch, they got
a handful of three games that are kind of the
tough games if you will. They got the Cowboys coming
up on Thanksgiving, should be beatable. They obviously got a
big win. No, I agree. That's why I completely agree.
The Cowboys offensively a very difficult team. They put up
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points one hundred percent. So if you're the Chiefs, you're
feeling like, all right, that's a winnable, gonna be tough.
Then they got to play the Texans, a very good
team when it comes to defensively, but they play him
at home. They play the Broncos later in the season,
they play them at home, so a handful of the
game is a tougher one, and the Chargers they play
at home.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
But the only thing is, you know, you're not you
can't split, you know what I mean, Like like, even
though game you can't split where you are at six
and five, flitting is not gonna help you.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
They have a two game max cushion, and depending on
how that works out, that might not be good enough
if the wrong in their case, the wrong team the
right team for the other team, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Win because there's two tie breakers and all that. So
because they've already lost the tie breakers, didn't they to Denver?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well won and there they've lost one with Denver. Now
Denver has a better record, they're not gonna be able
to catch Denver. It's gonna be some other teams in
the AFC because they're not catching them. It'll be the Chargers,
for instance.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
They don't have the tie breakers with the Jags. The
Bills are the two most important ones, and those are
huge for the playoff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
If if they're in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It'll be interesting with the Jacks to how they finish
their season because the Jazski go from minute to not
even close. If they mess around and lose two three straight.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That's the one good shot though.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Where Patrick is though, I'm just you know, because you
thought that they had turned the corner. He got his
receivers back, but he's kind of reverted back to what
we were using seeing.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Disappointing for me is the odd turnovers meaning I don't
expect you always have three four touchdowns, but the odd odd,
untimely turnovers. Not the first quarter, chucked it down the field,
big time up, big time turnovers. Did that last week
where it was a ten point swing, point swing and
he threw it right and Ry, I mean, do it
in the guy's number, the defenders numbers. So that's the
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part to me that's been disappointing is again it ain't
always about just the big numbers. It's the fact that
you're turning it over at uncharacteristically bad times.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
That's what he's been known for not doing. And you know,
not me.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I've been the guy makes the clutch plays and so
that's been one. But when you look there's another couple
of other stats that do both in their favor.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Is the shine off of him?
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Seriously and not not not not for his career.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I'm not talking about he's already he's already established his career.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
He's a Hall of Fame quarterback no matter what he does,
because he won three Super Bowls, two MVP.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Like, like, I get all that, but I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
At one point, and you know, Chris was on the
show it's calling him Jordan Esk. I don't think anybody
could call him that anymore, like like that kind of shine.
Even last year despite the fifteen and one record, when
he was there, you looked and said, yeah, they won,
but his stats weren't that great.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I think there's some shine off of him. The only
I don't disagree with the sentiment.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Where I'll disagree is because no one else is taking
it from him, specifically in his own conference, you get
what I mean, Like, no one's taking it from him.
So if this were the now the Josh Allen era,
I would get it. This was the Lamar era, I
would get it. The only foe he's really had as
of recent is the Jalen Hurts. You know who battle
(23:58):
back and forth. They want both for one and one.
They both one. But that's to me the reason why
he still owns the conference. And if we get into
the postseason, what if what if he ends up getting
right back to like as bad as he was he
went to the super Bowl, Like that's the that's the floor.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Yeah, but you know what I mean, that's the floor,
but it's not. It's not the Patrick Mahomes led to
the super Bowl where you feel invincible, Like like that's
I'm just saying he used to he was at one plateau,
he's he's sixteenth in passer rating. That that's like middle
of the road. He should be in the top five
(24:34):
or the top seven or somewhere of that. The idea
that he's in the middle of the pack, Rob g
who's below him?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And who's above him? I'm just curious as to be sixteenth.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
So in passer rating the guy he's directly ahead of Jackson.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Dark Do you see what I'm saying? And DJ Stroud.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Who had a terrible start to the season, Baker Mayfield
has been struggling recently, and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
This is what I'm saying. And then thirteenth in interceptions
thirteenth interceptions.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Yes, now that's only because my guy Geno Smith is.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Just he's running away with it. Yeah, hold my bag,
you know what? Yeah? I mean, can Jameis Winston You
want him to start playing numbers? Yeah? Just say he's
on the phone saying what you're trying to do. G
you know you're trying to he this is what I
do here.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
But here so Rob, G and Rob the numbers you
gave me, nobody can you know argue with those? Here's
where I still think why you still get that shine?
To what you asked, Rob, He's still third and third
down conversion rate total offense, their seventh, fourth down conversion rate,
(25:42):
he's sixth. So I think the players that ultimately matter,
you know, he still makes those and now if they
get in the posts, he's let's say they end up
getting a wild card. This is where he can be
keep that shine because now it's like he does it
again and he's an a SC championship game, We're gonna.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Be like, how did it happen again?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I just I don't see that because they haven't beaten
good teams this year.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
That's that's.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Closed out that that's the difference this ship Now, yesterday
it was the only time they beat the team, and
and you gotta give him credit, they beat the Colts
at home. That was a big game. That was the
one game. But all the other losses are against good teams,
and all that wins are against teams that normally aren't that good.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
All right.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I just think that's the point of your question about
the shine is somebody else has to take it from
Like it's not anyone else's run yet, Like this isn't
the Josh Allen He hasn't gone to two Super Bowls yet,
you know what I mean, You're like, it's not just.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Saying that shine.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I don't mean like like taking his perch or people
look at him.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
I'm just saying I don't. I don't look at him
the same way when I watch the games, the aura
of him, like he was invincible.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
He's always gonna make some play at the end.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I think I think it's fair that to die down
my last point, we'll again the same thing when we
get in the postseason. That will be the thing when
we get in the postseason. Rob because he ended up
getting back to the Super Bowl. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
After all, me, even me, I'm like, Yo, what's going
on with him? He looks off? He landed right back
in the Super Bowl.
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Thanks Steve appreciated.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I couple Rob Parker kelvin Washington on a Magic City Monday.
And we are joined now by our guy TJ. A
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Speaker 3 (27:30):
Hou'sh eighty four X? What up? TJ? Yo?
Speaker 7 (27:33):
Yo? What Fellows?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
How are you?
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Oh? Man? I'm good? How are y'all?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Man? Good man? Feeling good? This is a Thanksgiving week,
you know what I mean? Holiday weeks fastly approaching. Uh.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I want to start here. So the Giants and Lions
that that game there, Jamis Winston. The Lions were lucky.
I thought it was the early Chris Smiths gift. How
surprised were you that the Lions were able to win
that game? I think the Giants helped even what is
it Malik Neighbors?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Did he did you see his Yeah? He deleted it? Yeah?
Did you see TJ?
Speaker 7 (28:13):
No, I did not, But watching that game, I'll say this,
just run that's doing.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
That's essentially what Malik was saying.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I found to hear it is sometimes I think, uh,
they be making us lose on purpose, because it's no way, bro,
you throw the ball instead of running it to make
them burn two timeouts, then you don't kick the field goal,
then they have to go down the field and score
(28:45):
football common sense.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Am I missing something? And then he deleted it, But
he's right on the money, TJ. You watch the.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Game, Yeah he was told to delete that. But what
he said is a true roof. But if you're the Giants,
why are you trying to win? Like, really, you want
a high draft pick? Now you're not going to the playoffs.
I'm assuming Mike Kafka wants to win so he can
remain the head coach. But it is baffling, man, Like
(29:14):
we as players, you put all this work and time
in and you're like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Look at this?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
You can still lose.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Okay, if you lose a game, that's fine, you play,
but come on there, anybody, you don't even have to
be a football coach, come.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
On, because of those are mental mistakes. Those are mental mistakes?
Those are those are mental mistakes. And then you're gonna
go watch the film and the goh, you got to
do this better. Oh you gotta do this better. Oh no, no,
you just got to coach a little better.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yeah, And well they did.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
One thing they did do right was have Jameis Winston
who knew he was a tight end tj who knew
he was your fellow brother. And as a receiver, as
a pass catcher, what was that out there? Him them
drawing up place for him giving people the stiff arm.
Jameis Winston is a delight to the NFL, But what
is what is.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
It about him?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Me and Rob talk about the time that he just
can't be a starter, like you'll have big offensive days,
but then you're like, he's just not a starter.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
I'll say this, Jami's trains out here with us. He's
seen and I've never played with him, but just from
watching him train and watching them with the teams he's
been on, he is the ultimate teammate. He's a guy
you want on your team. Now, the last two games
he started for the Giants, he ain't the reason they're losing.
(30:27):
He ain't making them He's not playing how he played
with the Bucks, and you might throw the four hundred,
but he's gonna give you four turnovers. He's not doing that,
and so maybe he's learned. But you're not gonna be
the quarterback. You're not the future of the Giants. That
that's Jackson Dartin. So maybe he gets an opportunity. But
if I'm a player, I want Jameis Whinston in the
locker room on my team. I just like his vibe.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
See my only thing is and I hear you because
everything you see about him, even social media, he seemed
like a great guy and all that.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
You know, crab legs aside, uh, I mean sometimes Ago,
sometimes they be hitting rob. You gotta do what you go,
get that crab what I'm gonna do and promise to
bowl of it, you know what, TJ. And ain't too
many people walking out with crab legs. I'm just saying,
(31:17):
I ain't gonna say what I want to say. It's
a certain all right.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
But but my point though is a little bit and
then we'll get to shador Is is maybe maybe he's
not serious enough. I'm just and this is what I
said to Kelvin earlier, because the guy has talent.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
He's a This guy was a baseball player too. He's
a talented athlete. I'm not even sitting here. He should
have been a starting quarterback for a team for a
long time because of his ability.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
What's missing? There's something missing, TJ.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
No, there there this one. There was something that I
think only in his crew. When you're the first pick
coming out of floor, say first pick, obviously the time
they bucks you can throw the ball. He can throw
a great actress. See the ball is gonna be caught
just a lot too many, too many times it's caught
by the defense rus And so he didn't really And
(32:09):
I don't know who was this quarterback coach and his
coordinator early on in Tampa, but it seemed to shift
a little bit when he went to New Orleans with
Sean Payton. It seemed to shift like he wasn't. Yeah,
he was turning the ball over, but not at the
rate that he turned it over in Tampa. And now
you see these two games with the Giants last year.
(32:32):
I believe with Cleveland kind of reverted back.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
At times four touchdowns.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Look what he did with Jerry Judy, Look what he
did with Jerry Judy. And Jerry Judy made a Pro
Bowl because Jameis Winston was this quarterback and was giving
him an opportunity to make plays. I just feel like
early on, when you're a quarterback, that coaching matters so much.
You look at Baker, he goes with McVeigh in the rounds.
(33:01):
Different quarterback. You look at Sam Darnold, he gets with
Shannon hand and he gets a Kevin O'Connell. Different quarterback.
Coaching matters so much. In the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
TJ Hohos was out of our guests on the oct
couple Magic City Monday, Robin Kelvin, let's go to a
Shador Sanders gets a win two hundred yards. Now the
name him the starter moving forward? Just your initial reaction
to how he played and then them calling him the starter.
At least as of now, there's.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
Nothing else you can do but name him as a starter.
He's gonna play against a better team. But the Raiders,
in the National Raiders or NFL team with the NFL
caliber players, they're terrible.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
They're terrible, TJ.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Are terrible, but they're in the NFL. Who's the great
Who's the best team in the AFC?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Real quick, the Patriots.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
Oh yes, the Patriots. That Raiders team beat the best
team in the AFC. I don't care when it was they.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
No one's saying that he didn't. You got to play
who's on the schedule. But I'm but it does matter
who you play TJ. And when evaluating people, that's all.
Speaker 7 (33:57):
To win the game. They took him out a lot
in a wildcat when they got inside to five yard line.
That's I don't know why that is because they never
did it with Dylan Gabra. I have no idea, but
it worked for him. They won the game. I don't
care what you do when you win the game, coach,
you make great decision entire game. I have no problem
with it. I said when he was when we knew
(34:20):
he was gonna start, he needed to have some players
make uncommon plays for him. Harold Fanning made a couple
of uncommon plays. You get to catch a ball eight
yards short of the first down, break a few tackles,
that's an uncommon play. Dylan Sampson gets that screen. That's
an uncommon play. And when you're a rookie, that's what
you need. You need your playmakers to make plays for you,
(34:41):
and they did that, and so for Schador, great job.
Now you're playing a forty nine Ers team next week.
Can you keep it rolling? Because it's gonna be a
better team, better defense. It's gonna be interesting. I'm happy
for him, but it's going to get harder and harder
each week, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Last thing on the Chiefs, I think they got their
season was saved. I mean, I don't know how the
Coats weren't able to to win that game. They had
him in a good spot. Chiefs come back eleven points.
But Patrick Mahomes again struggling offensively? Why are they struggling?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
TJ.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
He has one touchdown, three picks in his last three
games and the and the offense just the middle of
the road.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah, well offense actually the top seven eight in a
lot of the offensive stats.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Yeah, but they've just been struggling the last three weeks.
What's happened with their offense?
Speaker 7 (35:35):
They can't consistently move the ball. They gave the ball
Kareem Hunt had thirty carries. Yeah, thirty carries for one
hundred and four yards. That's just over three yards for carries.
Ridiculous And so to me, that's Andy Reid saying he
doesn't trust the passing game. He doesn't trust that they
(35:56):
can get the job done. But we're gonna need you
when we need you. And they came through or she
Wright made some big plays. I felt like the Coats
like they just needed one or two plays in the
fourth quarter in the game.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
How about how about you what we just talked about
earlier with the Giants TJ nine of their last twelve
plays were passing for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
I'll say this. They weren't running the ball. Jonathan Spetner
could not run the ball effectively. But he's been the
guy you've relied on off seasons, so you say, okay,
the biggest game of the season, let's rely on him.
Let's go back to when Josh down goes in motion,
the Chiefs bring a blitz. He's why he catched that ball.
He might score. He's for sure getting the first down
that might ice the game. Daniel Jones made a bath throw.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
And Daniel Jones. I'm believed in Daniel Jones all year.
I don't believe in him. Yesterday was another example for me.
I don't know where are you quickly on Daniel Jones.
And you know they beat a lot of bad teams
early on, he put up numbers. Has he turned the
corner or not?
Speaker 7 (37:07):
When when your team is still leading the division, you
you had to have turned the corner. He he is
just going to have to play better when they need
him the most against the good teams, against the good
teams like that, that's the key. When we need you
to make that throw the Josh downs on third and four,
You got to make that throw. That ice is a
game when I need you to put that ball on
(37:28):
the belly of Michael Pittman when they cover zero, bitch
and he runs that slant. That's what I need and
we can't Ah, I miss that throw. I need you
to make the play when I needed because that's gonna
be the difference of winning and losing in the playoffs,
because you're gonna play nothing but the best of the best, no.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Doubt, no doubt. Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving to you and
your family, bud.
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Man, Happy Thanksgiving to y'all as well. Man, y'all keep
up the great work fellas.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Make sure you get them greens and mac and cheese
on that play brother too.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Oh, you already know I'm about to be a fat boy.
I'm a game ten pounds this week.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
All right, we'll shoot me too.
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Wait a minute, say that.
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Speaker 4 (03:01):
There we go, all right, Rob g U, I think
we talked about this on Friday, that if Shador can't
beat the Raiders, he can't beat anybody.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
And guess that's what I said. Remember I did you? No,
I'm staying with you consistent. Did I not say that Friday?
You did say that? Come on?
Speaker 5 (03:20):
If I said if he can't beat them, then he
really got some issues.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
But go ahead, Rob.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
The thing is he did beat them, beat them pretty sound.
I'll say them us beat us? Yes, there you go,
beat us so bad? Or oh got fired after the game?
I mean, who is who has failed up more than
Chip Kelly Rob Parker.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Of Rock staring into the camera the you two to
let me hear that later ros A good joke.
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What I swear every day for this show disrespect to
come here and get disrespected.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
That was a good joke.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
It was a good God forty years.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Or zero, most guys in this business get a cup
of coffee in this sweet role.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Them up, Robie years. I think you're just rolling a segment.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
No kick going, okay, all right, yeah, schaduor Sander's gotta win.
In his NFL starting debut eleven of twenty two or
nine a touchdown in a pick. He now owns the
two longest completions of the season for the Cleveland Browns
in one season, as he will be starting next week
when they've faced the San Francisco forty nine ers. And
if you ask shaduor Sanders about it, he's not surprised.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Take a listen.
Speaker 9 (04:34):
Everybody's not in the best situation, but it's no excuse.
You gotta go out there and perform like there's no choice,
is no question, nobody cares. If this is when we
could prep, who cares?
Speaker 7 (04:44):
You know?
Speaker 9 (04:44):
So a lot of people wanted to see me feel
and it ain't gonna happen. You know, it ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I just think it really comes down to when you
look at what Dylan Gabriel was doing me and you
talked about it on it wasn't bad.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
It was just eh, you know, it wasn't bad. It
wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It was just kind of enough to keep it round
a couple of two, three weeks. And then I think
the difference with Shadur is Shadure ended up having that
juice something about him, got that juice from his teammates.
Miles Garrett over here falling about his past and you
talk about the the Mona passes he had. He had
ten point four yards per a tent, which was the
(05:24):
best by any quarterback throughout this season. He had the
longest pass play of the season for at that time
when he completed it. And I just think that extra
bit of juice literally in a physical sense, the ability
to go downfield. And Stefanski talked about it. They say
why now, why him? He said, at the end of
the day, his ability to go downfield. He had a
few plays that were, you know, launched down there thirty
plus yards Dylan Gabriel Henley had won in his handful
(05:48):
of starts, and I think that was a difference along
with not just the tangible things you see on the field,
the intangibles, what I think people believe in him. I
think his teammates he just gives him an extra spark.
And when you're looking at two quarters back to a
rookies who are not as if they're coming in Andrew Luck,
you know this is you're supposed to be the guy.
That little bit is a separator, and that little bit
(06:08):
is enough for win you the job for you know,
I'm assuming the rest of the season, We'll have to
see how it all plays out.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And now here we are.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's funny and it's like, after all that we talked
about in the offseason, all up and during the draft,
all to the beginning of preseason. During the season, Shadure
Sanders has a chance to end up starting potentially would
end up being like seven games if he ends up
riding this thing out, which would be a great start.
To a rookie campaign to get those starts and those
legs reps under you, get your legs under you moving
(06:36):
into next season if he ends up being a starter
or not. But that's what to me. I knew when
we were sitting here that he would have a chance
to start some games this season with Joe Flacco, who
he already knew he was, Kenny Piety, we knew he
wasn't even a part of this, and in Dylan Gabriel
just a rookie we don't know, but we had a
shot of seventeen weeks him not gonna be able to
start off seventeen. So Shaduer got his crack, he made
(06:56):
the best of it, and now he is for the
projective future.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
So congrats to him.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
So lame and so weak, but that's what I expected
from you, because this was under any if this was
any other quarterback without the name Chador Sanders for a
guy had two hundred yards that and in fact, Geno
Smith had a better quarterback rating that yesterday.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Gino Smith had a better quarterback rating than Shador Sanders.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
And guess what, Gino Smith's offensive coordinator got fired off
of that game. But here's my point, yes, he had
one dump off that went for sixty what was it,
sixty six yards?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It was a dump off.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
They're making it like and Miles Garrett is standing there
like he's never seen anybody throw a ball fifty yards
or whatever, like really like, it's the over drama.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
It's the it's the over drama of the what am
I trying to say.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Over dramatizing, dramatization of a guy as if he walked
off the street and he can't pl football.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Nobody said he can't play.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Can he be a starting quarterback and replicate that week
after week after week? Yes, I expected him to play
pretty well. If he had a bad game. You know
what people would have said today, Well.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Dony his first dart.
Speaker 10 (08:17):
You can't Dony his first dart. And I'm not saying
he played poorly. He played Okay, he played okay. If
this was Dylan Gabriel, you'll be telling me the same thing.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Oh was okay, he had an interception, he dumped off
for a sixty six yard pass, Okay, he played fine.
But now people are trying to justify their narrative for him,
and the same thing. He could sit there all day,
people hoping that our failed. Whatever, go ahead with the
US against the world.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
You have to win games.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
You'll have to continue to play well, so you can
use all of that the same people.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Oh the Cleveland brow, they're shutting him up to fail.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Did they set him up to face yesterday? No, he
got to start against the Raiders. No, that was that
a setup? You still believe that, Oh, absolutely believe. I'm
glad you mentioned that. I'll get you this, Rob.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Do we have any of the sound of Stefanski congratulating him, because,
my guys, that was the worst congratulatory Uh, come.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
On, started to a guy to a guy.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You don't need a guy to a guy who got
You know how many times they go like this, all right,
good gay, we were sixty ten or third downs and
give it up for this guy. You got his first winning, right, crazy?
He didn't get that.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Yeah we did.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
We did this in a real game. Yeah, good game.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
No, they knew they couldn't go back to Dylan gab
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Even make That's what they knew. They could not go
back to.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Dylan Gabriel because in the best about it, nothing nothing
nothing you said, nothing you said had any any change
anything in what I said.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
He's the first quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Dude, a wedding, a wedding starting, come on the start
their first game? What are you talking about? What does
that mean to you? What does that mean that an
organization who never has a quarterback that starts?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Well? What does he just started? Well?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So if Dylan Gabriel won, he should be the quarterback
for the rest of his career.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
If Dylan Gabriel started, If Dylan Gabriel started, won the game.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Went down the field multiple.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Times this see he has a bad game and throws
three picks and it's terrible at his next start.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
What does that mean? That means he had three picks
and look terrible at first start. But if he looks
like the guy that has a higher.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Ceiling game, if he has a higher nelly only saying
that because it should Doe, it's.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
The same.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Lord, if he's got a higher ceiling, you go with
that guy. What I told you was he was gonna start.
That's what I told you. How did he start? What
do you mean he starts? How did he get the start?
How did he get the start? Because he just performed, No,
he did not. How did he get to start? You
answer the question? How did he get to start because
because what Dylan Gabriel got hurt Dylan Gabriel her right
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now because they just he's gonna get the start because
he did not. They say, you clear, now, that's how
we got start who started, That's how we got But
that's not you.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I said that was the case if he was the
guy you're talking about. And how about the Jews and
all that, it's the same nonsense, the same nonsense that
you told me with the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Let me talk. Go ahead, let me talk. Stop interrupting me,
stop interrupting.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Go ahead, the same garment you told me, uh with
the with the Steelers and how what's called took over
the locker room and all the players are behind him
and he had more up the up Jews for everybody
else and they all rallied around him and all that
other stuff. All I'm saying is you're hoping and wishing.
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The results will be the final answer, not what you're
hoping and wishing. And that's what you always do. You
pick a guy.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And you know that told you he would start, he's starting.
Stop told you he was. You did not he had
he already had had started over him. He didn't even
have Tom repped up and up until this week, up
until this week, and he was starting more. That's what
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Lord Gabriel had, all these number one starts. He had
to start because.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
They won a game.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
They beat the Raiders, Big wamp man, stop overreacting.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Till you go.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You all came in cool action you did? I said,
he played pretty ridiculous. The team had like you of
the Year? Now is he should do a Rookie of
the Year losing it over because because it was this
was any.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Other quarterback and without the regular Joe blow name. Ain't
no way you coming in here? Are we even talking
about a guy through for two hundred and nine yards
and sixty six of the with a with a quarterback
rating of seventy seven. A uh two hundred and nine?
You are sixty six on a dump off play.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Come on, man, stop and I'll tell you that you're wrong,
because we did this for Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
No, we did not do the same thing.
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Speaker 3 (13:57):
Rob G.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I was going to say something, but I'm gonna stick
and not say that the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I don't even know where you's going. I'm just I'm good, Okay, Okay,
that's gotta be racist.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
No what the Kansas City Chiefs, Rob G was given
an early Christmas gift. I don't know they they the
Colts had them down, situations looked like they were gonna
beat them, didn't score in the fourth quarter or overtime.
Chiefs are racing eleven point deficit and win. But I
know you thought the offense had taken a turn. They
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had a handful of weeks, but they it's been it's
kind of falling back, rob g. The offense is just
not that not that potent. What hasn't been.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Yeah, the Colts had them dead to right early in
the fourth quarter, up by eleven. The Chiefs had just
fumbled the ball away to them. Right, Hey, the clock's
in your favor. Run the clock down, milk it as
far as you can. They got to score twice with
a two point conversion just to tie. Okay, and somehow,
someway they need to have this. Colts decide to call
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nine Daniel Jones passing plays in the final twelve plays
of the game.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Got Jonathan Taylor, by the way, he wasn't having a
great game, but he.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Was fifty something yard.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
But you still have to run the ball for the clock.
They have to burn their timeouts. Have to do it
right to stop it and keep the defense honest.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
If nothing else, dude, the Colts did not gain a
first down in the fourth quarter overtime. Jones completed three
of nine attens for seventeen yards during that span between
the fourth quarter and overtime.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Is that Daniel Jones again and Chiefs defense? How the
Colts are in total?
Speaker 6 (15:33):
How the Colts the ten first down the two and
fifty five total yards, both season lows for Indianapolis. But
to your point, Rob, offensively for the Chiefs because their
defense play came to play obviously, Yeah, they slammed the door.
Offensively is another uneven performance. Patrick Mahomes another zero touchdown
one in.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
The last three games. Now, Rob, do you go ahead?
Speaker 6 (15:55):
One touchdown, three picks with the passer rating in.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
The seventies, it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
And offensively as a unit, Kansas City, with arguably the
greatest quarterback ever one of the greatest coaches, are averaging
a robust twenty points per game, which if this was
the length of the season, would ranked in the bottom
six in the NFL, which is alongside quarterbacks and teams
such as JJ McCarthy, Justin Fields, Geno Smith, the teams
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of that nature.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And I think this is to me and who would
have thought this.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Their offense will be the reason they don't make the
playoffs because it just hasn't been up to snuff and
when they've played Now, now, the Cults are a good team, right,
they were what eight and three going in. That's a
rare win for them against a good team. And it
took and it took the Colts like not doing what
you should do when you have a lead in a
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fourth quarter, which is running football, eight o'clock whatever, even overtime.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
They didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
And my point is it looked like when they got
some of those receivers back. You saw that for what
was it, three weeks they had three weeks?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
What they look like? Oh, Patrick Mahomes is the MVP.
Where did that go? Remember that conversation?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, unless he they would have to go on a
crazy win every game, and he put up two or
three touchdowns a game for that.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
I don't even I just the three this this three
game stretch right here, one touchdown three in that regard
and that in that regard, And I think that when
you look at it, they easily could have lost that
third this third game, it's a miracle that they won,
kept their season alive.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
What are they six and five? Now? They still got
a hard way to go.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
It ain't like an easy because you got two teams
ahead of them and a whole bunch of teams, so
it's it's not like they're out of the woods. But
I think their offense is what's hurting them more than anything.
And will be the reason why the Chiefs don't make
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And I'm still sticking to that despite the win.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Obviously, if they would have lost Sunday and be five
and six, I mean, they really would have had a hurdle.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
It's still gonna be different.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I think that win saved their season. You know, if
they're gonna make the postseason, that was it. They lose that,
they're out. I don't even care if the mathematically they
still have probability of a chick. They would have been
out had they lost that game at that particular time.
Now we'll see how the rest of the season goes.
They can lose it, you know where they can lose.
They couldn't lose that. That would have been too many games
with too many big games to come. So a couple
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of things. I hear you on the offense the last
handful of games, but when you look at the numbers,
we were all saying, what's wrong with the Chiefs. This
is two years in a row. Last year, Patrick Mahomes
doesn't look right. I was saying he's missing easy passes
he normally doesn't. Here's the crazy part. This season compared
to last season, points per game they're ninth.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Last season.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Fifteenth yards per game they're seventh last season, sixteenth, passing
yards per game they're fifth. Fifth last season they were
fourteen teenth and again rushing yards there sixteenth, and they
were twenty seconds. So in every one of the metrics
that you'd want to go by offensively, they actually are
better than in some cases significantly better, but.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Not not of late.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I'm talking about of late these last three games where
they were one and two.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
What I'm saying, so they went a whole season being
mid literally the definition of mid sixteen, fourteen to fifteenth,
and then we're able to still be fifteen and two
because of that defense and those one of course, the
one score games, which which they haven't.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Been able to struggle, but they finally got that one. Yep.
So the offense, if the offense can be.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
A better hybrid of what they were the beginning of
this season, you know, the first the last four games
prior to the three game stretch, if they can be
closer to that, along with this defense, they're still going
to be a very difficult team to beat. And when
you start to project out a little bit uh things
that hold in their favor, this is the conversation I
was having with you last week about Josh Allen. ROGI
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he's two win seven was the stat when he doesn't
score a touchdown? Josh Allen, if he's two and seven,
if he doesn't put up a touchdown in the game,
and that's the bird in the onus is always on him.
Rois Patrick mahomes to what we were just saying, can
have three hundred and fifty yards in an interception with
no touchdown last he last yesterday and still win a game.
So that's the credit and the luxury he has of
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having a really good defense and having a coaching staff
that can find other ways to win. Also, you start
to look at their schedule down the stretch, they got
a handful of three games that are kind of the
tough games if you will. They got the Cowboys coming
up on Thanksgiving, should be beatable. They obviously got a
big win. No, I agree. That's why I completely agree.
The Cowboys offensively a very difficult team. They put up
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points one hundred percent. So if you're the Chiefs, you're
feeling like, all right, that's a winnable, gonna be tough.
Then they got to play the Texans, a very good
team when it comes to defensively, but they play him
at home. They play the Broncos later in the season,
they play them at home, so a handful of the
game is a tougher one, and the Chargers they play
at home.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
But the only thing is, you know, you're not you
can't split, you know what I mean, Like like, even
though game you can't split where you are at six
and five, flitting is not gonna help you.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
They have a two game max cushion, and depending on
how that works out, that might not be good enough
if the wrong in their case, the wrong team the
right team for the other team, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Win because there's two tie breakers and all that. So
because they've already lost the tie breakers, didn't they to Denver?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well won and there they've lost one with Denver. Now
Denver has a better record, they're not gonna be able
to catch Denver. It's gonna be some other teams in
the AFC because they're not catching them. It'll be the Chargers,
for instance.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
They don't have the tie breakers with the Jags. The
Bills are the two most important ones, and those are
huge for the playoff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
If if they're in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It'll be interesting with the Jacks to how they finish
their season because the Jazski go from minute to not
even close. If they mess around and lose two three straight.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That's the one good shot though.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Where Patrick is though, I'm just you know, because you
thought that they had turned the corner. He got his
receivers back, but he's kind of reverted back to what
we were using seeing.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Disappointing for me is the odd turnovers meaning I don't
expect you always have three four touchdowns, but the odd odd,
untimely turnovers. Not the first quarter, chucked it down the field,
big time up, big time turnovers. Did that last week
where it was a ten point swing, point swing and
he threw it right and Ry, I mean, do it
in the guy's number, the defenders numbers. So that's the
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part to me that's been disappointing is again it ain't
always about just the big numbers. It's the fact that
you're turning it over at uncharacteristically bad times.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
That's what he's been known for not doing. And you know,
not me.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I've been the guy makes the clutch plays and so
that's been one. But when you look there's another couple
of other stats that do both in their favor.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Is the shine off of him?
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Seriously and not not not not for his career.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I'm not talking about he's already he's already established his career.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
He's a Hall of Fame quarterback no matter what he does,
because he won three Super Bowls, two MVP.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Like, like, I get all that, but I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
At one point, and you know, Chris was on the
show it's calling him Jordan Esk. I don't think anybody
could call him that anymore, like like that kind of shine.
Even last year despite the fifteen and one record, when
he was there, you looked and said, yeah, they won,
but his stats weren't that great.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I think there's some shine off of him. The only
I don't disagree with the sentiment.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Where I'll disagree is because no one else is taking
it from him, specifically in his own conference, you get
what I mean, Like, no one's taking it from him.
So if this were the now the Josh Allen era,
I would get it. This was the Lamar era, I
would get it. The only foe he's really had as
of recent is the Jalen Hurts. You know who battle
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back and forth. They want both for one and one.
They both one. But that's to me the reason why
he still owns the conference. And if we get into
the postseason, what if what if he ends up getting
right back to like as bad as he was he
went to the super Bowl, Like that's the that's the floor.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Yeah, but you know what I mean, that's the floor,
but it's not. It's not the Patrick Mahomes led to
the super Bowl where you feel invincible, Like like that's
I'm just saying he used to he was at one plateau,
he's he's sixteenth in passer rating. That that's like middle
of the road. He should be in the top five
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or the top seven or somewhere of that. The idea
that he's in the middle of the pack, Rob g
who's below him?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And who's above him? I'm just curious as to be sixteenth.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
So in passer rating the guy he's directly ahead of Jackson.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Dark Do you see what I'm saying? And DJ Stroud.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Who had a terrible start to the season, Baker Mayfield
has been struggling recently, and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
This is what I'm saying. And then thirteenth in interceptions
thirteenth interceptions.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Yes, now that's only because my guy Geno Smith is.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Just he's running away with it. Yeah, hold my bag,
you know what? Yeah? I mean, can Jameis Winston You
want him to start playing numbers? Yeah? Just say he's
on the phone saying what you're trying to do. G
you know you're trying to he this is what I
do here.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
But here so Rob, G and Rob the numbers you
gave me, nobody can you know argue with those? Here's
where I still think why you still get that shine?
To what you asked, Rob, He's still third and third
down conversion rate total offense, their seventh, fourth down conversion rate,
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he's sixth. So I think the players that ultimately matter,
you know, he still makes those and now if they
get in the posts, he's let's say they end up
getting a wild card. This is where he can be
keep that shine because now it's like he does it
again and he's an a SC championship game, We're gonna.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Be like, how did it happen again?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I just I don't see that because they haven't beaten
good teams this year.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
That's that's.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Closed out that that's the difference this ship Now, yesterday
it was the only time they beat the team, and
and you gotta give him credit, they beat the Colts
at home. That was a big game. That was the
one game. But all the other losses are against good teams,
and all that wins are against teams that normally aren't that good.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
All right.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I just think that's the point of your question about
the shine is somebody else has to take it from
Like it's not anyone else's run yet, Like this isn't
the Josh Allen He hasn't gone to two Super Bowls yet,
you know what I mean, You're like, it's not just.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Saying that shine.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I don't mean like like taking his perch or people
look at him.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
I'm just saying I don't. I don't look at him
the same way when I watch the games, the aura
of him, like he was invincible.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
He's always gonna make some play at the end.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I think I think it's fair that to die down
my last point, we'll again the same thing when we
get in the postseason. That will be the thing when
we get in the postseason. Rob because he ended up
getting back to the Super Bowl. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
After all, me, even me, I'm like, Yo, what's going
on with him? He looks off? He landed right back
in the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1 (27:17):
I couple Rob Parker kelvin Washington on a Magic City Monday.
And we are joined now by our guy TJ. A
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Speaker 3 (27:30):
Hou'sh eighty four X? What up? TJ? Yo?
Speaker 7 (27:33):
Yo? What Fellows?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
How are you?
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Oh? Man? I'm good? How are y'all?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Man? Good man? Feeling good? This is a Thanksgiving week,
you know what I mean? Holiday weeks fastly approaching. Uh.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I want to start here. So the Giants and Lions
that that game there, Jamis Winston. The Lions were lucky.
I thought it was the early Chris Smiths gift. How
surprised were you that the Lions were able to win
that game? I think the Giants helped even what is
it Malik Neighbors?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Did he did you see his Yeah? He deleted it? Yeah?
Did you see TJ?
Speaker 7 (28:13):
No, I did not, But watching that game, I'll say this,
just run that's doing.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
That's essentially what Malik was saying.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I found to hear it is sometimes I think, uh,
they be making us lose on purpose, because it's no way, bro,
you throw the ball instead of running it to make
them burn two timeouts, then you don't kick the field goal,
then they have to go down the field and score
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football common sense.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Am I missing something? And then he deleted it, But
he's right on the money, TJ. You watch the.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Game, Yeah he was told to delete that. But what
he said is a true roof. But if you're the Giants,
why are you trying to win? Like, really, you want
a high draft pick? Now you're not going to the playoffs.
I'm assuming Mike Kafka wants to win so he can
remain the head coach. But it is baffling, man, Like
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we as players, you put all this work and time
in and you're like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Look at this?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
You can still lose.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Okay, if you lose a game, that's fine, you play,
but come on there, anybody, you don't even have to
be a football coach, come.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
On, because of those are mental mistakes. Those are mental mistakes?
Those are those are mental mistakes. And then you're gonna
go watch the film and the goh, you got to
do this better. Oh you gotta do this better. Oh no, no,
you just got to coach a little better.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yeah, And well they did.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
One thing they did do right was have Jameis Winston
who knew he was a tight end tj who knew
he was your fellow brother. And as a receiver, as
a pass catcher, what was that out there? Him them
drawing up place for him giving people the stiff arm.
Jameis Winston is a delight to the NFL, But what
is what is.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
It about him?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Me and Rob talk about the time that he just
can't be a starter, like you'll have big offensive days,
but then you're like, he's just not a starter.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
I'll say this, Jami's trains out here with us. He's
seen and I've never played with him, but just from
watching him train and watching them with the teams he's
been on, he is the ultimate teammate. He's a guy
you want on your team. Now, the last two games
he started for the Giants, he ain't the reason they're losing.
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He ain't making them He's not playing how he played
with the Bucks, and you might throw the four hundred,
but he's gonna give you four turnovers. He's not doing that,
and so maybe he's learned. But you're not gonna be
the quarterback. You're not the future of the Giants. That
that's Jackson Dartin. So maybe he gets an opportunity. But
if I'm a player, I want Jameis Whinston in the
locker room on my team. I just like his vibe.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
See my only thing is and I hear you because
everything you see about him, even social media, he seemed
like a great guy and all that.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
You know, crab legs aside, uh, I mean sometimes Ago,
sometimes they be hitting rob. You gotta do what you go,
get that crab what I'm gonna do and promise to
bowl of it, you know what, TJ. And ain't too
many people walking out with crab legs. I'm just saying,
(31:17):
I ain't gonna say what I want to say. It's
a certain all right.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
But but my point though is a little bit and
then we'll get to shador Is is maybe maybe he's
not serious enough. I'm just and this is what I
said to Kelvin earlier, because the guy has talent.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
He's a This guy was a baseball player too. He's
a talented athlete. I'm not even sitting here. He should
have been a starting quarterback for a team for a
long time because of his ability.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
What's missing? There's something missing, TJ.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
No, there there this one. There was something that I
think only in his crew. When you're the first pick
coming out of floor, say first pick, obviously the time
they bucks you can throw the ball. He can throw
a great actress. See the ball is gonna be caught
just a lot too many, too many times it's caught
by the defense rus And so he didn't really And
(32:09):
I don't know who was this quarterback coach and his
coordinator early on in Tampa, but it seemed to shift
a little bit when he went to New Orleans with
Sean Payton. It seemed to shift like he wasn't. Yeah,
he was turning the ball over, but not at the
rate that he turned it over in Tampa. And now
you see these two games with the Giants last year.
(32:32):
I believe with Cleveland kind of reverted back.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
At times four touchdowns.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Look what he did with Jerry Judy, Look what he
did with Jerry Judy. And Jerry Judy made a Pro
Bowl because Jameis Winston was this quarterback and was giving
him an opportunity to make plays. I just feel like
early on, when you're a quarterback, that coaching matters so much.
You look at Baker, he goes with McVeigh in the rounds.
(33:01):
Different quarterback. You look at Sam Darnold, he gets with
Shannon hand and he gets a Kevin O'Connell. Different quarterback.
Coaching matters so much. In the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
TJ Hohos was out of our guests on the oct
couple Magic City Monday, Robin Kelvin, let's go to a
Shador Sanders gets a win two hundred yards. Now the
name him the starter moving forward? Just your initial reaction
to how he played and then them calling him the starter.
At least as of now, there's.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
Nothing else you can do but name him as a starter.
He's gonna play against a better team. But the Raiders,
in the National Raiders or NFL team with the NFL
caliber players, they're terrible.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
They're terrible, TJ.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Are terrible, but they're in the NFL. Who's the great
Who's the best team in the AFC?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Real quick, the Patriots.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
Oh yes, the Patriots. That Raiders team beat the best
team in the AFC. I don't care when it was they.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
No one's saying that he didn't. You got to play
who's on the schedule. But I'm but it does matter
who you play TJ. And when evaluating people, that's all.
Speaker 7 (33:57):
To win the game. They took him out a lot
in a wildcat when they got inside to five yard line.
That's I don't know why that is because they never
did it with Dylan Gabra. I have no idea, but
it worked for him. They won the game. I don't
care what you do when you win the game, coach,
you make great decision entire game. I have no problem
with it. I said when he was when we knew
(34:20):
he was gonna start, he needed to have some players
make uncommon plays for him. Harold Fanning made a couple
of uncommon plays. You get to catch a ball eight
yards short of the first down, break a few tackles,
that's an uncommon play. Dylan Sampson gets that screen. That's
an uncommon play. And when you're a rookie, that's what
you need. You need your playmakers to make plays for you,
(34:41):
and they did that, and so for Schador, great job.
Now you're playing a forty nine Ers team next week.
Can you keep it rolling? Because it's gonna be a
better team, better defense. It's gonna be interesting. I'm happy
for him, but it's going to get harder and harder
each week, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Last thing on the Chiefs, I think they got their
season was saved. I mean, I don't know how the
Coats weren't able to to win that game. They had
him in a good spot. Chiefs come back eleven points.
But Patrick Mahomes again struggling offensively? Why are they struggling?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
TJ.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
He has one touchdown, three picks in his last three
games and the and the offense just the middle of
the road.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah, well offense actually the top seven eight in a
lot of the offensive stats.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Yeah, but they've just been struggling the last three weeks.
What's happened with their offense?
Speaker 7 (35:35):
They can't consistently move the ball. They gave the ball
Kareem Hunt had thirty carries. Yeah, thirty carries for one
hundred and four yards. That's just over three yards for carries.
Ridiculous And so to me, that's Andy Reid saying he
doesn't trust the passing game. He doesn't trust that they
(35:56):
can get the job done. But we're gonna need you
when we need you. And they came through or she
Wright made some big plays. I felt like the Coats
like they just needed one or two plays in the
fourth quarter in the game.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
How about how about you what we just talked about
earlier with the Giants TJ nine of their last twelve
plays were passing for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
I'll say this. They weren't running the ball. Jonathan Spetner
could not run the ball effectively. But he's been the
guy you've relied on off seasons, so you say, okay,
the biggest game of the season, let's rely on him.
Let's go back to when Josh down goes in motion,
the Chiefs bring a blitz. He's why he catched that ball.
He might score. He's for sure getting the first down
that might ice the game. Daniel Jones made a bath throw.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
And Daniel Jones. I'm believed in Daniel Jones all year.
I don't believe in him. Yesterday was another example for me.
I don't know where are you quickly on Daniel Jones.
And you know they beat a lot of bad teams
early on, he put up numbers. Has he turned the
corner or not?
Speaker 7 (37:07):
When when your team is still leading the division, you
you had to have turned the corner. He he is
just going to have to play better when they need
him the most against the good teams, against the good
teams like that, that's the key. When we need you
to make that throw the Josh downs on third and four,
You got to make that throw. That ice is a
game when I need you to put that ball on
(37:28):
the belly of Michael Pittman when they cover zero, bitch
and he runs that slant. That's what I need and
we can't Ah, I miss that throw. I need you
to make the play when I needed because that's gonna
be the difference of winning and losing in the playoffs,
because you're gonna play nothing but the best of the best, no.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Doubt, no doubt. Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving to you and
your family, bud.
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Man, Happy Thanksgiving to y'all as well. Man, y'all keep
up the great work fellas.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Make sure you get them greens and mac and cheese
on that play brother too.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Oh, you already know I'm about to be a fat boy.
I'm a game ten pounds this week.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
All right, we'll shoot me too.
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