November 26, 2025 • 30 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain why they believe Tom Brady’s post-NFL playing career has been a flop, discuss why Shedeur Sanders has become the one athlete in American pro sports that some people have blindly decided to rally behind, and tell us if Matthew Stafford’s history of losing in Detroit will keep him out of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Rob g T Shirt.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Your team, the Raiders are so god awful and now
all of the talk that's why he'd be going at you.
It's about mister Thomas Brady and his influence on the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
There's finally gonna be some.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Finger point that Tom Brady, I mean, will there The
reporting is from the athletic Gannery sis. Now he's not happy,
right that he is not happy, and he wants everyone
to know how unhappy he is the way this first
season has gone with Vegas. According to Diana, tom Brady
was a big reason why they had to bring in
Chip Kelly to be the highest paid offensive coordinator in
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the NFL. Obviously, they ended horribly. They had one of
the worst offensers in football. He's already been fired, accurding Diana,
though it's not just the offense that tom Brady's disappointed,
and it's the entire thing. Here's the problem with that though,
guys number one tom Brady have to bring in Chip Kelly.
Number two tom Brady cool. According to Pete Carroll, big
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reason he's ears because tom Brady wanted him there.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
They are too, and ten number three don't that retirement
fun they gave him.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Tom Brady had a big say in their new GM
being there this first season. Who's at his old college
roommate and they go to college together. That's their GM.
More frontatism they hit on their first round pick, we
think with Ashton Gent, we just haven't seen enough of
their second and fourth round ride receivers have both been
leap frogging in the depth chart by Tyler Lockett, who
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was a free agent as recently as a month ago,
and their two third round offensive linemen. Both of them
cannot get on the field despite having the worst offensive
line in football. So it's all bad this season for
tom Brady and he's not happy about it.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I got even bigger news for you. Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I think it's official that we can say that Tom
Brady's post playing career.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Has been a flop. Okay, on the air and in.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
The front office, it has been a flop. I dare
you to challenge me on either one. I've watched him
on Fox not confident, doesn't sound like a polished broadcaster.
I get it, it's his first year on the air.
But I'm just saying, some guys and Kelvi whn you
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notice have a flare right off the bat it You
can say whatever you want. Tony Romo ain't the flavor anymore.
But did he pop when he first game?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
He popped? You notice how the fun this is unique?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
It's different. He popped right away, That's all I'm saying.
And now Tom Brady and this Vegas Raiders what a disaster. Also,
Tom Brady is the mentor to Shador Sanders. They had
three opportunities, four opportunities to draft him. No, let's go
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get Gino's pizza. Let's go get the oldest living coach
walking the earth. Let's go get Chip Tooth, Kelly, let's
go let what are you doing? It's so bad this
and the Raiders aren't like, oh they're having a bout
when I was a bad game. They have been god
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awful the whole season. And Tom Brady's dirty paws are
all over it. This is what he was brought in for.
That's where I'm at. His post playing career has been
a flop, a dud. It stinks and if I had
to put my hand on it, I'd have to wash.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You might have to bleach it, Michael, I saw it. Man.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Listen, this is a lesson again of when you bring
in a big name doesn't mean he's gonna bring in.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
A big game or big change. Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
How many years was he a big time owner with
the Bobcats, then the Hornets, and nothing changed and nothing
has changed even since he sold his his stake in
the team, nothing changed. Magic Johnson comes back to be
the president of basketball for the Lakers, and aside from
getting Lebron, which he was Lebron as if Lebron wanted
to come to La, he was gonna come to La
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a lot. He got rid of players that ended up
being really good, got rid of players that ended up
becoming All stars. Just because somebody's a big name doesn't
mean it's gonna bring a big change. And that's what's
happening with Tom Brady. Tom Brady, they brought in and
what happens is you get guys like that or women
like that, these big names, and they basically do what
they deemed that work for them.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Singularly.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Oh, well, when I was really good, Pete Carrall was
a good coach. I don't know, go get him. Hey,
when I was really good, this is my roommate. We
had a good chemistry together. I mean, that was my roommate.
Bring him in.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You know when I was when I.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Do this, I knew, but back then your roommate was
just bringing in warm brownies from the store.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Or bringing in he was bringing in, you know from
the last night. Oh when to come to our room
hanging out with Hey, you know, bringing in the windy brownie.
You know what I said, I like that, Okay, heating
him up, heat him up. And so there's just it's rehashed.
Rob Like, he didn't come in and find some new way,
no creative, he didn't find his Sean McVay or something
like that. Everything he did was rehash. Let's go get
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an old coach who my disorder cock could work. Go
get Pete Carroll ooh ooh, bringing his older quarterback that
was for most of his career, had a couple of
good years bringing Geno. Ooh, let's go get Chip Kelly,
who I always like to talk about with Lane Kiffin.
Can you get me somebody else who fails up? Chip
Kelly keeps failing up. At a certain point that we're
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gonna realize that Oregon was a great thing for him,
but most of the things posts that have not worked
out for chip Kelly, and yet chip Kelly fails up.
He gets to a pro organization with the Raiders and
gets an opportunity again with taking ready pay and gets
paid a bunch of money to not be good again.
Chip Kelly has been really good at not being good,
and so Tom Brady again. It's just another example of
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it's no guarantee because a lot of the moves that
you would question about them have been his moves. So
there's been no real there's been no energy, there's no
been something that works. And you know this, when you're
rebuilding something, it's not that you have to automatically win
off the bat. It's that you're giving me the fan
something to hope for, like, oh, shoot, I can see
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we're getting good, or I can see these young players,
or let's say they got Dylan Gabriel or or should
do or Jackson Dart and you're like, okay, this is
first year. I like where our young quarterbacks coming next year? Okay,
we won three four games, we can maybe win six
to seven next year. Where you would be excited about that.
There's nothing that elictits excitement about the Raiders right now,
and that's what's disappointing about Tom and his selections and
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all the business he's been doing with them.
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Speaker 5 (07:41):
Well, Perk just nominated himself for the hottest take of
the year. And I'll say that lightly on this show
because Rob had a few and Perk just blew you
right out of the water.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, at least mine a lot.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Now, let him get this data off, let him get
the take off, and then you decide whether or not
he was accurate. Is Kendrick Perkins on the Legends Talk
podcast talking about shador Sanders on the heels of his
first win as NFL starter.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
Shadua Sanders is the most powerful black man since two
thousand and nine. You know what happened in two thousand
and nine, That's when President Obama got elected in office.
He's the most powerful black man since two thousand and nine.
You said you were sitting there watching the game in
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your house and what you did ran? You ran with
the TV. Right, who was you doing, dB oh cheer?
You was chairing like when Shadua Sanders is on the field.
And when I say powerful, powerful, because it's two sides
of it, right, think about it. Okay, you got the
black community. He bringing the whole black community together. I
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ain't ran across one black person that then said one
bad thing about should do it.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
We won't even guess what we want him because he
has the balance. He has the balance of that. I'm arrogant,
but I'm humble too.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
Got fun with that, and he having fun with and
on top of that, y'all want me to say it,
ain't y'all want me to feel.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It, ain't gonna have it.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
He's the most powerful black man in sports, no other,
no other, matter of fact, black man.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
He the most powerful player in sports. Terrible.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
What a What an awful take by Kendrick Perkins. An
embarrassing take to equate a fifth round quarterback with the
first freaking black president of the United States in a
country where black people came over here and changed as slaves.
How dare you diminish Barack Obama and his legacy to
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some damn football player.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Are you serious? I'm kelvin, I'm not even kidding. It
is demeaning.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Really, that's your hot take that this dude matters more
and is the most powerful man than the first black
president of the United States. I don't think so. Any
any day of the week, you want to celebrate your door,
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do it. You want to root for him, do it.
There are plenty of black people. I hate to break
it to you who want your door Sanders fans.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
That's fair.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
They could they have other quarterbacks that their fans off
or he or they don't like the way he comes
off of all people to rally around. And I'm gonna
be serious about this. He ain't one of those great
American stories where a god came from nothing, had everything
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against him. His dad's a great former athlete. His dad
is a Hall of Famer in football and played Major
League baseball. His dad coached him all the way up
to major college football.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
His dad he grew up rich. Really, that's the story
that you're so enthralled with.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I'm sorry it's not an anti Chador Sanders, but let's
not make it bigger than it really is. That's my point.
This is over the top, and I'm gonna be real
with you Kelvin here. I truly believe the reason that
people have gone on the deep end is they feel
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that the man in quotes the man did something to
Shador because he was this confident black man.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
That is really what this is all about.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Because all your draft nicks and now all these draft
people told you he was gonna be the first overall pick.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
You ain't want to hear.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
The reporting that went into it that said that he
came to these meetings unprepared, whatever, headphone's on, not paying attention.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Whatever, You don't want to hear that.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
You didn't want to hear when people said, oh, well,
there was a memo in the NFL called and told everybody,
don't draft him. We're gonna show this this young kids
something at all and knock him down the side. But
when they did reporting, it said that the Ravens called
for him, the Eagles called for him, and he said no,
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he didn't want to go to those teams. So this
whole notion is ridiculous. I'm dead serious. I threw up,
you want I laugh on joke all the time. I
literally threw up in my mouth. To hear him say
that he's the most powerful man than the Barack Obama.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well he said, since, yeah, since really really? Okay, So
let's start there first. I think Perk was miss He's
using the wrong word. If he wanted to say hot
ride controversial, maybe he has the most support, which I
still would agree with those but that's a conversation. But
did you use the term most powerful black man America?
That's crazy? First of all, he's one one hundredth the
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power of Lebron James. It doesn't even miss It's not
even in the same stratosphere. He's one one hundredth the
power of Magic Johnson. Steph Curry, Thank you want to
go Colin Kaepernick, He says, since two thousand and nine
Colin Kaepernick and the movement that he started going, I
can go down and down the list.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
And that's just the sports world.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I mean, because you can keep going with some other
people's He's not even on the level of still Magic Johnson,
Michael Jordan's as far as powers.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Michael Jordan's still sells sneakers like they're going.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And looking what Magic Johnson has done so many things
on and off the courts, now on the field as
a part owner of the Dodgers, part owner of the
Commander's uh, the stuff he does in the community you
live here in that like Settle Down Perk. If you're
saying he's the taste of the moment, the controversy, like mean,
if I go I'm team Door and Lightning Rodd and
so like I'm not team Shador, then yes, but the
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idea the most powerful black man in man that perk.
That's disrespectful also to the people who not even are
doing things is just sports that are doing things in
the communities.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
You know, I could go on and on and on.
So that that was that was crazy of perks. End
on that end. Now, let's talk about a couple of
things you just mentioned. I do want to break down.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
The part of this that when you said and me
and robb G talked about this, people will say, well,
he like why him? Why is he the one you
rally around. He doesn't even have this story of like
the rags of riches. I think that's a part of
why some people will be slightly offended. They'll say, why
does the black story have to be he was a
single parent household.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And I'm not saying you and I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Saying that's the only but I'm saying that I think
but I'm I'm but I'm saying I think people enjoy
that he's from his father's them, and it's enjoy that
there's some nepotism, like, yeah, why can't his dad look
out for his son. We've seen that happen literal presidents
of the United States literally, uh, you know, HW Bush
to W. Bush and so I think that's not the
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only only thing I'm.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Gonna push back on you is on the player field,
and you played side of the field.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
That that that's that's really I.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Under if the President of the United States to practice
and playing field, because everybody plays, and they picked the
best players, and I'm gonna tell you why, okay, And
this is the point that I'll tell you why. All
the white owners, if they really wanted to, could say
I'm just gonna put my son and white I live,
we're in Boston or we're in uh Dallas, and I'm
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just gonna pick white players and it's my team, and
it doesn't matter who who's better, okay, because that's what
sports has always been about, that it doesn't matter, like
the best player is going to get a chance to play.
And once you start playing with that, and I'm not
saying that your door deserved to play at all, okay,
but I'm saying that's what's different anybody. It ain't just
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so there's a lot there's a lot of players who
I've talked to who had to play it and do
all they could to make a team and to see
somebody just handed situations.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So you're doing whatever I know that I don't disagree
that in a perfect world nepotism doesn't exist, but that
ain't the case. And so what I'm saying to you
is not I think there's a contingency of people who
see him and then so you say, why is he
the rally around because they see him as he doesn't
have to have the bad story.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
They love the report during a draft. Oh his dad
was in prison. He comes out the story I'm talking.
I'm not talking about you.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I'm saying story. I'm talking about people.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
That's why people will say, you know, he has the
support because people say he comes from a good home.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
He comes from a father in the home, they who
loves it. That's not a championship.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
But no, that's why a lot of people are supporting
him because it's it's a different story than the one
that often it is projected a draft and that.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But the reason people don't the other part is the
arrogant there's a part, and.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Man, I'm glad, I'm glad the mentioned and a lot
of people in real time didn't like Muhammad Ali in
real time, it's lovable now. They didn't like him because
he was spoken in his confidence. He said what he said,
he said all this and he is knowing there's articulate
and charismatic as Muhamad Ali.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
But I'm saying Muhammad Ali, now here we go. What
I'm saying a lot of guys who are not like that.
But what I'm saying is people, some people don't like that.
And it's similar to white people. Rallied around Alan Iverson.
He wasn't perfect. He didn't say it all the time,
but Alan ivers authentically, I don't think I said was
ever of that ilk I used to I was around
Alan Iverson, I was covering the league.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I never felt that he he was confident in hisself,
but I don't remember any talking about himself. He had chained,
he had braids, he think people. So I think there's
a contingency of people who are offended that. People are
offended by that, like, oh, look at him too confident,
he's too cocky.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
And people say, what's wrong with that? The young man
believes in himself. He said he ain't gonna fail. He
shouldn't believe.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
That's why is the other way where no matter what
he does, you could be confident all that. When the
reports came out that he wasn't prepared or whatever. Everyone
totally of the people who are in this camp, they
weren't in the media.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, they put out a bath door.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Well, I mean obviously his father said that was those
were blatant lies.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
But you know those are blatant lies that that that No,
I'm answering your question.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I do believe you believe that.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Everybody different scouts and people organization, what a story to
make up.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I believe sure that everybody door Sanders doesn't carry himself
that the way in which they might look at franchise quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Do I believe he might have came in with some
headphones on some Absolutely do I think that would absolutely
rough stick.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Maybe he was prepared. Absolutely, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And another point, what would be the reason from the
Vegas points off her up? And the other thing too
is that I also think that we have to This
is one of those peculiar situations. Me and you have
talked about it many times.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
To undermine the shock of a quarterback, not a corner,
not a linebacker, going from dejected possible first round maybe
second to fifth.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
We've never seen that. We talk about Aaron Rodgers to
this day, they'll show it him. He had to wait,
and he goes from should be a top ten pick
to the twenty fourth pick whatever it was, and that
was a big deal. So to have a guy that
people have made careers off of twenty and thirty and
forty people get wrong. Not that wrong, Rob, what a quarterback,
that's the point. And so it makes people go, well,
what's up with that? That don't seem right? And you
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have don't see that, I don't see the signature game
he ever won in college. I'm gonna be honest, and
I heard all the other stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
He holds the ball too long.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
There's a lot of the issues that they talked about.
All all the draft gurus, no one had him near there.
They had him first and second and like an hour
before maybe third. No quarterback with the name like that
has dropped to the fifth. So it makes people become
skeptical and.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Unfa you if we want to have this real honest conversation,
Black people in America have often had went through enough
to make people go, well, what's the real reason behind that?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Even did you?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
So you're telling me in the league where you're trying
to win that he's a talent, Because if they wanted
to not have him in the league.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
They don't have to draft him at all. Would you
agree with that?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
If there was something yeah in in this case, so
why why would they even draft him? And if and
if the Cleveland Brown don't want them to succeed, they
don't have to play him.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
They didn't have to play him at all. They could
have skipped over him.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Because but I said, because we're going this where and
we're having supposed to be if we gonna have a
real and honest conversation, there's absolutely reasons why black folks
are skeptical when things like that happen.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Would you give me that.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Whether it was where, whether it's what literally what happened,
or not, that they have not had enough to happen
that they go, well, that's weird that the one time
this kid's coming out and he supposed to be a
first round pick and he drops the fifth.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
It never happens.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Right when the quarterback, we're not a running back with
right shoes, it comes out or not of quarter We
found out this kid was arrested a week before the draft.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
A quarterback, but can's not happen. But here's my other issue,
and here's my biggest pushback to you.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
His mentor is a guy that people think is one
of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Okay, so this is to you.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Okay, So tom Brady's a part of it too, despite
being his mentor.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Okay, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Tom Brady's a part of it too, despite being his mentor,
despiting friends with his father, knowing his background, knowing where
it came from. Looking at his talent, Tom Brady, whose
team is garbage with a bad quarterback, refused to draft
him because of some memo from the NFL.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
No, I didn't say that for tom An So why
did he draft him? Because tom Brady's made horrible decisions.
So you just talked about last hour. But tom Brady
brought a guy is mental. I'll tell you why. Because
tom Brady is trying to win now. So he brought
in a quarterback who has a history of winning, I
mean a coach and Pete Carroll. Tom brady quarterback Gino
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Smith had a history of winning with Pete Carroll. Yes
he did, and that's why he brought those two wins.
Because tom Brady was trying to circumvent the rebuilds and
it couldn't be another quarterback. He couldn't be the backup.
He didn't want to bring in a young dude who
is probably gonna need some time to develop.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That makes no sense, all right, second seven ninety nine
on Fox.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
I think that's the biggest red flag is that Tom
Brady had no use for Shadors.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Tom Brady was trying to win. Now, but one quarterback
on your roster. They already did have quarterbacks on their road.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
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Speaker 5 (22:45):
They have played football on Thanksgivings as Moby Dick was
a guppy And you know what.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
A lot of people have tried to take it from Detroit.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
There's one time I'm going to fight against that because
if you push him back, this is a pushback because
the old the old soldiering after the show, if you
played that game, the owner of the Lions is the
one who came up with the idea of playing it.
So they estabb and it's a holiday in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Is it really?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
If you live in the Detroit area. You had at
someho you went to Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Yeah, and it's as funny as he's talking about the Lions.
It is a legitimate honor to play on Thanksgiving in
the NFL because it is, without question the most watched
regular season day of football, even more than Opening Day.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Everybody's home, it is everybody's locked in, and it's most
of the country is cold. You're not coning anywhere.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
You get up and you know a lot of places.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
And so Joe Burrow will be playing on Thanksgiving tomorrow night,
we believe, against the Baltimore Ravens. And he was asked
by the media earlier this week what it means to
him to play on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Take a listen.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
I think just like a lot of kids, you you
grow up going through Thanksgiving, You have your meals with
your family, and then you go and sell on the
couch and typically there's not a lot of on except football.
Back in the day, it was Lions and somebody. You
go watch Matthew Stafford throw for three hundred four hundred
some yards with Calvin Johnson and probably lose the game,
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but it was fun to watch. You know, those are
memories that you have and so I kind of always
wanted to be the person out there.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Thank you, Joe Burrow. I love this man, Joe Burrow.
I love you, mar to watch Out. I love you,
Joe Burrow. You're going for Bengos and Ravens tomorrow. Ravens,
make sure make it soon. You might.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
You know why, because he nailed the Matthew Stafford. The
way you look at Matthew Stafford that is, that is
like the whole thing, Like he grew up watching Matthew Stafford.
You always talk about, well, he the quarterback, quarterback. Everybody like, no,
Matthew Stafford, that guy going for three hundred yards and
(24:58):
losing and always losing, and the Lions and all that
kind of stuff. That's the kind of thing that unless
Matthew Stafford does something like shocking, which is win another
super Bowl in his MVP, there's still that that pass
that he has to fight the way people look at him.
And as somebody who watched his very first game and
watches like most of his career up close and personal,
(25:21):
as I covered the Lions home and road, you know,
in all those games, there's a lot of bad juju,
video film, whatever you want to call it. You know,
of Matthew Stafford's day with the Lions. There is, and
he did win the Super Bowl with the Rams.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Who had already won before you got I'm gonna qualify,
don't qualify? He won?
Speaker 4 (25:43):
And no, but but but they had already gone without him.
It's like it's almost like the Brock Party thing. Why
I'm not a big Brock party. They had already gone.
Why got to be the pioneer or something?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Ron?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Why can't he just meant?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Know?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So Drake May can never succeed with the Patriot because
you know, Tom Brady had already won six over there,
so Drake May can't win now.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
No, no, no, My point is that team was already
put together and it's not like he led them and
was the Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
But he actually had two interceptions.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
You do realize this is exactly what Sean McVeigh was saying, Man,
were really good, if only we had a quarterback who
was better than Jared Goff.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
No, but you say, Jared GoF is gonna win the
lines of Super Bowl? That's what that's that's that's my hope.
No better than Matthew Stafford. Oh so so, so they
took a downgrade. No, Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
That was a.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Downgrade, the line's down grade. Oh yeah, why would they
trade him there? Because Matthews raking about it there?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Okay, Mounty point is that is the bag Jack Nice.
That is the baggage that Matthew Stafford carries with him.
And unless he wins another super Bowl, So you got
to win another, you gotta win another thirty.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Touchdowns and two and seven it's already a super Bowl win.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I think he's five and two in the playoffs with
with the Rams, and he gotta win another supers. We
only got two losses because then he's five. Maybe it's
five and three now to the last year, but he
was five and two five and uh what about the
wee losses with the Lions? I mean his life the Rams.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
No, but his lifetime record is under five hundred, right,
how some of his playoffs with the Ram Yeah, but
his whole career.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Are we looking at his hall?
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
When you said that, I thought you would referring to
what I said with the Rams, So all right, I
think you misinterpreted what he was saying. I think what
he was saying is Matthew Stafford would do exactly what
he was supposed to do throw three four hundred yards,
but the team would still lose, and that is oftentimes
was the case. And I think Joe Burrow was also
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taking a little shot on his own team, because what
did Joe Burrow do last year? Throw forty something touchdowns
all five thousand yards, balling out of control three four
hundred yards and still lose. So I think he was
taking a little shot at his own team, like, hey,
I know a little something about throws.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Talking about he was talking about just that is my
interpretation Thanksgiving. What I'm saying Thanksgiving memory is Matthew Stafford
going up three hundred meaningless yards and another loss.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
It was actually that's exactly what he was talking about.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
It was it meaning that those putrid years where we
had quarterback after quarterback at the quarter like well, you
can't even it was Kidna and who.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Else was in there? Uh, kidd one bad. He was like.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
A middle is like all right, I'm not matt maddickitting.
He was like a Jameis Winston. We're like, all right,
we we can win some, we might lose something. He
wasn't bad, but we had we had a run of
some just bad quarterback play. But no, I think that's
more of what he was saying. But Matthew Stafford, he
has interesting history in Detroit. We talked about it before.
I think one of the reasons why people in that
area will still respect him because he wanted to. He
didn't shy way, he didn't do an Eli or some
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other people, maybe even a Shador and then like I
don't want to go there, I'll pass. He was like,
they're back can basket. He's sure the Lions are going
to be their own sixteen. You want to go that
bad organization, Bring it on. I'm ready. I want to
be a part of the change. You remember Caleb and
his father was like, I don't know, we want to
go to Chicago. We might want to go to DC.
Matthew was like, YO, bring it. And I think he
earned a lot of respect out in Detroit for that that.
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He was helped be part of the change and got
to a few postseason runs. So but there listen as
a Lions fan, there were some brutal Thanksgiving. The best
thing was thank God something on my plate because I
know that's football game about to be terrible. There was
a lot of years like that. I can't lie.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I can't lie. There was many a here like that.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
We had the barbershops when he cuts on seven mile
row between out of Driving Myers. We used to have
Lion season tickets that we used to give, like when
you got a haircut, you would get a ticket from
your barber.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
We put it into a you know, a draft or whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Yep, and you know, if you kept coming, then we
start giving out Lion season tickets. Before that, that oh
and sixteenth season, we had called up. They had called
eight people, Hey we got we got a pair of
ticket we need to a lower bowl, like we wasn't lower.
We got a pair of tickets to Lions game on
Sunday whatever, lower one hundred level.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
What else? Shall got?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
What?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I rather get three free haircuts? And I get a
haircut free for the month, every month, every week for
a month. They didn't want to go.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
It was it was.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It was bad. It's the weirdest thing. You were there.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
They have a massive fan base that unwarranted because they
didn't deserve the fan base that they have. You I
think you would even agree on that. No, I mean
it was so bad for so long they didn't deserve that.
I get it, but you know foot, but it's a
great sports town. I told you, I've worked all over
the country. It's the greatest sports town in America. I
don't care what anybody says as much as Rabbit fans. Boston, Philadelphia,
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New York, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I think those cities, a lot of them, they were
already split, you know, because there's multiple teams.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Detroit has that
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Rob g T Shirt.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Your team, the Raiders are so god awful and now
all of the talk that's why he'd be going at you.
It's about mister Thomas Brady and his influence on the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
There's finally gonna be some.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Finger point that Tom Brady, I mean, will there The
reporting is from the athletic Gannery sis. Now he's not happy,
right that he is not happy, and he wants everyone
to know how unhappy he is the way this first
season has gone with Vegas. According to Diana, tom Brady
was a big reason why they had to bring in
Chip Kelly to be the highest paid offensive coordinator in
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the NFL. Obviously, they ended horribly. They had one of
the worst offensers in football. He's already been fired, accurding Diana,
though it's not just the offense that tom Brady's disappointed,
and it's the entire thing. Here's the problem with that though,
guys number one tom Brady have to bring in Chip Kelly.
Number two tom Brady cool. According to Pete Carroll, big
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reason he's ears because tom Brady wanted him there.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
They are too, and ten number three don't that retirement
fun they gave him.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Tom Brady had a big say in their new GM
being there this first season. Who's at his old college
roommate and they go to college together. That's their GM.
More frontatism they hit on their first round pick, we
think with Ashton Gent, we just haven't seen enough of
their second and fourth round ride receivers have both been
leap frogging in the depth chart by Tyler Lockett, who
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was a free agent as recently as a month ago,
and their two third round offensive linemen. Both of them
cannot get on the field despite having the worst offensive
line in football. So it's all bad this season for
tom Brady and he's not happy about it.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I got even bigger news for you. Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I think it's official that we can say that Tom
Brady's post playing career.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Has been a flop. Okay, on the air and in.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
The front office, it has been a flop. I dare
you to challenge me on either one. I've watched him
on Fox not confident, doesn't sound like a polished broadcaster.
I get it, it's his first year on the air.
But I'm just saying, some guys and Kelvi whn you
(02:43):
notice have a flare right off the bat it You
can say whatever you want. Tony Romo ain't the flavor anymore.
But did he pop when he first game?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
He popped? You notice how the fun this is unique?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
It's different. He popped right away, That's all I'm saying.
And now Tom Brady and this Vegas Raiders what a disaster. Also,
Tom Brady is the mentor to Shador Sanders. They had
three opportunities, four opportunities to draft him. No, let's go
(03:18):
get Gino's pizza. Let's go get the oldest living coach
walking the earth. Let's go get Chip Tooth, Kelly, let's
go let what are you doing? It's so bad this
and the Raiders aren't like, oh they're having a bout
when I was a bad game. They have been god
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awful the whole season. And Tom Brady's dirty paws are
all over it. This is what he was brought in for.
That's where I'm at. His post playing career has been
a flop, a dud. It stinks and if I had
to put my hand on it, I'd have to wash.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You might have to bleach it, Michael, I saw it. Man.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Listen, this is a lesson again of when you bring
in a big name doesn't mean he's gonna bring in.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
A big game or big change. Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
How many years was he a big time owner with
the Bobcats, then the Hornets, and nothing changed and nothing
has changed even since he sold his his stake in
the team, nothing changed. Magic Johnson comes back to be
the president of basketball for the Lakers, and aside from
getting Lebron, which he was Lebron as if Lebron wanted
to come to La, he was gonna come to La
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a lot. He got rid of players that ended up
being really good, got rid of players that ended up
becoming All stars. Just because somebody's a big name doesn't
mean it's gonna bring a big change. And that's what's
happening with Tom Brady. Tom Brady, they brought in and
what happens is you get guys like that or women
like that, these big names, and they basically do what
they deemed that work for them.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Singularly.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Oh, well, when I was really good, Pete Carrall was
a good coach. I don't know, go get him. Hey,
when I was really good, this is my roommate. We
had a good chemistry together. I mean, that was my roommate.
Bring him in.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You know when I was when I.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Do this, I knew, but back then your roommate was
just bringing in warm brownies from the store.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Or bringing in he was bringing in, you know from
the last night. Oh when to come to our room
hanging out with Hey, you know, bringing in the windy brownie.
You know what I said, I like that, Okay, heating
him up, heat him up. And so there's just it's rehashed.
Rob Like, he didn't come in and find some new way,
no creative, he didn't find his Sean McVay or something
like that. Everything he did was rehash. Let's go get
(05:30):
an old coach who my disorder cock could work. Go
get Pete Carroll ooh ooh, bringing his older quarterback that
was for most of his career, had a couple of
good years bringing Geno. Ooh, let's go get Chip Kelly,
who I always like to talk about with Lane Kiffin.
Can you get me somebody else who fails up? Chip
Kelly keeps failing up. At a certain point that we're
(05:51):
gonna realize that Oregon was a great thing for him,
but most of the things posts that have not worked
out for chip Kelly, and yet chip Kelly fails up.
He gets to a pro organization with the Raiders and
gets an opportunity again with taking ready pay and gets
paid a bunch of money to not be good again.
Chip Kelly has been really good at not being good,
and so Tom Brady again. It's just another example of
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it's no guarantee because a lot of the moves that
you would question about them have been his moves. So
there's been no real there's been no energy, there's no
been something that works. And you know this, when you're
rebuilding something, it's not that you have to automatically win
off the bat. It's that you're giving me the fan
something to hope for, like, oh, shoot, I can see
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we're getting good, or I can see these young players,
or let's say they got Dylan Gabriel or or should
do or Jackson Dart and you're like, okay, this is
first year. I like where our young quarterbacks coming next year? Okay,
we won three four games, we can maybe win six
to seven next year. Where you would be excited about that.
There's nothing that elictits excitement about the Raiders right now,
and that's what's disappointing about Tom and his selections and
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all the business he's been doing with them.
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Speaker 5 (07:41):
Well, Perk just nominated himself for the hottest take of
the year. And I'll say that lightly on this show
because Rob had a few and Perk just blew you
right out of the water.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, at least mine a lot.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Now, let him get this data off, let him get
the take off, and then you decide whether or not
he was accurate. Is Kendrick Perkins on the Legends Talk
podcast talking about shador Sanders on the heels of his
first win as NFL starter.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
Shadua Sanders is the most powerful black man since two
thousand and nine. You know what happened in two thousand
and nine, That's when President Obama got elected in office.
He's the most powerful black man since two thousand and nine.
You said you were sitting there watching the game in
(08:29):
your house and what you did ran? You ran with
the TV. Right, who was you doing, dB oh cheer?
You was chairing like when Shadua Sanders is on the field.
And when I say powerful, powerful, because it's two sides
of it, right, think about it. Okay, you got the
black community. He bringing the whole black community together. I
(08:51):
ain't ran across one black person that then said one
bad thing about should do it.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
We won't even guess what we want him because he
has the balance. He has the balance of that. I'm arrogant,
but I'm humble too.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
Got fun with that, and he having fun with and
on top of that, y'all want me to say it,
ain't y'all want me to feel.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It, ain't gonna have it.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
He's the most powerful black man in sports, no other,
no other, matter of fact, black man.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
He the most powerful player in sports. Terrible.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
What a What an awful take by Kendrick Perkins. An
embarrassing take to equate a fifth round quarterback with the
first freaking black president of the United States in a
country where black people came over here and changed as slaves.
How dare you diminish Barack Obama and his legacy to
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some damn football player.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Are you serious? I'm kelvin, I'm not even kidding. It
is demeaning.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Really, that's your hot take that this dude matters more
and is the most powerful man than the first black
president of the United States. I don't think so. Any
any day of the week, you want to celebrate your door,
(10:17):
do it. You want to root for him, do it.
There are plenty of black people. I hate to break
it to you who want your door Sanders fans.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
That's fair.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
They could they have other quarterbacks that their fans off
or he or they don't like the way he comes
off of all people to rally around. And I'm gonna
be serious about this. He ain't one of those great
American stories where a god came from nothing, had everything
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against him. His dad's a great former athlete. His dad
is a Hall of Famer in football and played Major
League baseball. His dad coached him all the way up
to major college football.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
His dad he grew up rich. Really, that's the story
that you're so enthralled with.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I'm sorry it's not an anti Chador Sanders, but let's
not make it bigger than it really is. That's my point.
This is over the top, and I'm gonna be real
with you Kelvin here. I truly believe the reason that
people have gone on the deep end is they feel
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that the man in quotes the man did something to
Shador because he was this confident black man.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
That is really what this is all about.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Because all your draft nicks and now all these draft
people told you he was gonna be the first overall pick.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
You ain't want to hear.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
The reporting that went into it that said that he
came to these meetings unprepared, whatever, headphone's on, not paying attention.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Whatever, You don't want to hear that.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
You didn't want to hear when people said, oh, well,
there was a memo in the NFL called and told everybody,
don't draft him. We're gonna show this this young kids
something at all and knock him down the side. But
when they did reporting, it said that the Ravens called
for him, the Eagles called for him, and he said no,
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he didn't want to go to those teams. So this
whole notion is ridiculous. I'm dead serious. I threw up,
you want I laugh on joke all the time. I
literally threw up in my mouth. To hear him say
that he's the most powerful man than the Barack Obama.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well he said, since, yeah, since really really? Okay, So
let's start there first. I think Perk was miss He's
using the wrong word. If he wanted to say hot
ride controversial, maybe he has the most support, which I
still would agree with those but that's a conversation. But
did you use the term most powerful black man America?
That's crazy? First of all, he's one one hundredth the
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power of Lebron James. It doesn't even miss It's not
even in the same stratosphere. He's one one hundredth the
power of Magic Johnson. Steph Curry, Thank you want to
go Colin Kaepernick, He says, since two thousand and nine
Colin Kaepernick and the movement that he started going, I
can go down and down the list.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
And that's just the sports world.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I mean, because you can keep going with some other
people's He's not even on the level of still Magic Johnson,
Michael Jordan's as far as powers.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Michael Jordan's still sells sneakers like they're going.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And looking what Magic Johnson has done so many things
on and off the courts, now on the field as
a part owner of the Dodgers, part owner of the
Commander's uh, the stuff he does in the community you
live here in that like Settle Down Perk. If you're
saying he's the taste of the moment, the controversy, like mean,
if I go I'm team Door and Lightning Rodd and
so like I'm not team Shador, then yes, but the
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idea the most powerful black man in man that perk.
That's disrespectful also to the people who not even are
doing things is just sports that are doing things in
the communities.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
You know, I could go on and on and on.
So that that was that was crazy of perks. End
on that end. Now, let's talk about a couple of
things you just mentioned. I do want to break down.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
The part of this that when you said and me
and robb G talked about this, people will say, well,
he like why him? Why is he the one you
rally around. He doesn't even have this story of like
the rags of riches. I think that's a part of
why some people will be slightly offended. They'll say, why
does the black story have to be he was a
single parent household.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And I'm not saying you and I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Saying that's the only but I'm saying that I think
but I'm I'm but I'm saying I think people enjoy
that he's from his father's them, and it's enjoy that
there's some nepotism, like, yeah, why can't his dad look
out for his son. We've seen that happen literal presidents
of the United States literally, uh, you know, HW Bush
to W. Bush and so I think that's not the
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only only thing I'm.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Gonna push back on you is on the player field,
and you played side of the field.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
That that that's that's really I.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Under if the President of the United States to practice
and playing field, because everybody plays, and they picked the
best players, and I'm gonna tell you why, okay, And
this is the point that I'll tell you why. All
the white owners, if they really wanted to, could say
I'm just gonna put my son and white I live,
we're in Boston or we're in uh Dallas, and I'm
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just gonna pick white players and it's my team, and
it doesn't matter who who's better, okay, because that's what
sports has always been about, that it doesn't matter, like
the best player is going to get a chance to play.
And once you start playing with that, and I'm not
saying that your door deserved to play at all, okay,
but I'm saying that's what's different anybody. It ain't just
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so there's a lot there's a lot of players who
I've talked to who had to play it and do
all they could to make a team and to see
somebody just handed situations.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So you're doing whatever I know that I don't disagree
that in a perfect world nepotism doesn't exist, but that
ain't the case. And so what I'm saying to you
is not I think there's a contingency of people who
see him and then so you say, why is he
the rally around because they see him as he doesn't
have to have the bad story.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
They love the report during a draft. Oh his dad
was in prison. He comes out the story I'm talking.
I'm not talking about you.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I'm saying story. I'm talking about people.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
That's why people will say, you know, he has the
support because people say he comes from a good home.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
He comes from a father in the home, they who
loves it. That's not a championship.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
But no, that's why a lot of people are supporting
him because it's it's a different story than the one
that often it is projected a draft and that.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But the reason people don't the other part is the
arrogant there's a part, and.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Man, I'm glad, I'm glad the mentioned and a lot
of people in real time didn't like Muhammad Ali in
real time, it's lovable now. They didn't like him because
he was spoken in his confidence. He said what he said,
he said all this and he is knowing there's articulate
and charismatic as Muhamad Ali.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
But I'm saying Muhammad Ali, now here we go. What
I'm saying a lot of guys who are not like that.
But what I'm saying is people, some people don't like that.
And it's similar to white people. Rallied around Alan Iverson.
He wasn't perfect. He didn't say it all the time,
but Alan ivers authentically, I don't think I said was
ever of that ilk I used to I was around
Alan Iverson, I was covering the league.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I never felt that he he was confident in hisself,
but I don't remember any talking about himself. He had chained,
he had braids, he think people. So I think there's
a contingency of people who are offended that. People are
offended by that, like, oh, look at him too confident,
he's too cocky.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
And people say, what's wrong with that? The young man
believes in himself. He said he ain't gonna fail. He
shouldn't believe.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
That's why is the other way where no matter what
he does, you could be confident all that. When the
reports came out that he wasn't prepared or whatever. Everyone
totally of the people who are in this camp, they
weren't in the media.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, they put out a bath door.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Well, I mean obviously his father said that was those
were blatant lies.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
But you know those are blatant lies that that that No,
I'm answering your question.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I do believe you believe that.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Everybody different scouts and people organization, what a story to
make up.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I believe sure that everybody door Sanders doesn't carry himself
that the way in which they might look at franchise quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Do I believe he might have came in with some
headphones on some Absolutely do I think that would absolutely
rough stick.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Maybe he was prepared. Absolutely, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And another point, what would be the reason from the
Vegas points off her up? And the other thing too
is that I also think that we have to This
is one of those peculiar situations. Me and you have
talked about it many times.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
To undermine the shock of a quarterback, not a corner,
not a linebacker, going from dejected possible first round maybe
second to fifth.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
We've never seen that. We talk about Aaron Rodgers to
this day, they'll show it him. He had to wait,
and he goes from should be a top ten pick
to the twenty fourth pick whatever it was, and that
was a big deal. So to have a guy that
people have made careers off of twenty and thirty and
forty people get wrong. Not that wrong, Rob, what a quarterback,
that's the point. And so it makes people go, well,
what's up with that? That don't seem right? And you
(19:25):
have don't see that, I don't see the signature game
he ever won in college. I'm gonna be honest, and
I heard all the other stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
He holds the ball too long.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
There's a lot of the issues that they talked about.
All all the draft gurus, no one had him near there.
They had him first and second and like an hour
before maybe third. No quarterback with the name like that
has dropped to the fifth. So it makes people become
skeptical and.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Unfa you if we want to have this real honest conversation,
Black people in America have often had went through enough
to make people go, well, what's the real reason behind that?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Even did you?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
So you're telling me in the league where you're trying
to win that he's a talent, Because if they wanted
to not have him in the league.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
They don't have to draft him at all. Would you
agree with that?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
If there was something yeah in in this case, so
why why would they even draft him? And if and
if the Cleveland Brown don't want them to succeed, they
don't have to play him.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
They didn't have to play him at all. They could
have skipped over him.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Because but I said, because we're going this where and
we're having supposed to be if we gonna have a
real and honest conversation, there's absolutely reasons why black folks
are skeptical when things like that happen.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Would you give me that.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Whether it was where, whether it's what literally what happened,
or not, that they have not had enough to happen
that they go, well, that's weird that the one time
this kid's coming out and he supposed to be a
first round pick and he drops the fifth.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
It never happens.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Right when the quarterback, we're not a running back with
right shoes, it comes out or not of quarter We
found out this kid was arrested a week before the draft.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
A quarterback, but can's not happen. But here's my other issue,
and here's my biggest pushback to you.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
His mentor is a guy that people think is one
of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Okay, so this is to you.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Okay, So tom Brady's a part of it too, despite
being his mentor.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Okay, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Tom Brady's a part of it too, despite being his mentor,
despiting friends with his father, knowing his background, knowing where
it came from. Looking at his talent, Tom Brady, whose
team is garbage with a bad quarterback, refused to draft
him because of some memo from the NFL.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
No, I didn't say that for tom An So why
did he draft him? Because tom Brady's made horrible decisions.
So you just talked about last hour. But tom Brady
brought a guy is mental. I'll tell you why. Because
tom Brady is trying to win now. So he brought
in a quarterback who has a history of winning, I
mean a coach and Pete Carroll. Tom brady quarterback Gino
(22:01):
Smith had a history of winning with Pete Carroll. Yes
he did, and that's why he brought those two wins.
Because tom Brady was trying to circumvent the rebuilds and
it couldn't be another quarterback. He couldn't be the backup.
He didn't want to bring in a young dude who
is probably gonna need some time to develop.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That makes no sense, all right, second seven ninety nine
on Fox.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
I think that's the biggest red flag is that Tom
Brady had no use for Shadors.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Tom Brady was trying to win. Now, but one quarterback
on your roster. They already did have quarterbacks on their road.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
They come on stop.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
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Speaker 5 (22:45):
They have played football on Thanksgivings as Moby Dick was
a guppy And you know what.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
A lot of people have tried to take it from Detroit.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
There's one time I'm going to fight against that because
if you push him back, this is a pushback because
the old the old soldiering after the show, if you
played that game, the owner of the Lions is the
one who came up with the idea of playing it.
So they estabb and it's a holiday in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Is it really?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
If you live in the Detroit area. You had at
someho you went to Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Yeah, and it's as funny as he's talking about the Lions.
It is a legitimate honor to play on Thanksgiving in
the NFL because it is, without question the most watched
regular season day of football, even more than Opening Day.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Everybody's home, it is everybody's locked in, and it's most
of the country is cold. You're not coning anywhere.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
You get up and you know a lot of places.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
And so Joe Burrow will be playing on Thanksgiving tomorrow night,
we believe, against the Baltimore Ravens. And he was asked
by the media earlier this week what it means to
him to play on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Take a listen.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
I think just like a lot of kids, you you
grow up going through Thanksgiving, You have your meals with
your family, and then you go and sell on the
couch and typically there's not a lot of on except football.
Back in the day, it was Lions and somebody. You
go watch Matthew Stafford throw for three hundred four hundred
some yards with Calvin Johnson and probably lose the game,
(24:13):
but it was fun to watch. You know, those are
memories that you have and so I kind of always
wanted to be the person out there.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Thank you, Joe Burrow. I love this man, Joe Burrow.
I love you, mar to watch Out. I love you,
Joe Burrow. You're going for Bengos and Ravens tomorrow. Ravens,
make sure make it soon. You might.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
You know why, because he nailed the Matthew Stafford. The
way you look at Matthew Stafford that is, that is
like the whole thing, Like he grew up watching Matthew Stafford.
You always talk about, well, he the quarterback, quarterback. Everybody like, no,
Matthew Stafford, that guy going for three hundred yards and
(24:58):
losing and always losing, and the Lions and all that
kind of stuff. That's the kind of thing that unless
Matthew Stafford does something like shocking, which is win another
super Bowl in his MVP, there's still that that pass
that he has to fight the way people look at him.
And as somebody who watched his very first game and
watches like most of his career up close and personal,
(25:21):
as I covered the Lions home and road, you know,
in all those games, there's a lot of bad juju,
video film, whatever you want to call it. You know,
of Matthew Stafford's day with the Lions. There is, and
he did win the Super Bowl with the Rams.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Who had already won before you got I'm gonna qualify,
don't qualify? He won?
Speaker 4 (25:43):
And no, but but but they had already gone without him.
It's like it's almost like the Brock Party thing. Why
I'm not a big Brock party. They had already gone.
Why got to be the pioneer or something?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Ron?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Why can't he just meant?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Know?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So Drake May can never succeed with the Patriot because
you know, Tom Brady had already won six over there,
so Drake May can't win now.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
No, no, no, My point is that team was already
put together and it's not like he led them and
was the Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
But he actually had two interceptions.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
You do realize this is exactly what Sean McVeigh was saying, Man,
were really good, if only we had a quarterback who
was better than Jared Goff.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
No, but you say, Jared GoF is gonna win the
lines of Super Bowl? That's what that's that's that's my hope.
No better than Matthew Stafford. Oh so so, so they
took a downgrade. No, Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
That was a.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Downgrade, the line's down grade. Oh yeah, why would they
trade him there? Because Matthews raking about it there?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Okay, Mounty point is that is the bag Jack Nice.
That is the baggage that Matthew Stafford carries with him.
And unless he wins another super Bowl, So you got
to win another, you gotta win another thirty.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Touchdowns and two and seven it's already a super Bowl win.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I think he's five and two in the playoffs with
with the Rams, and he gotta win another supers. We
only got two losses because then he's five. Maybe it's
five and three now to the last year, but he
was five and two five and uh what about the
wee losses with the Lions? I mean his life the Rams.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
No, but his lifetime record is under five hundred, right,
how some of his playoffs with the Ram Yeah, but
his whole career.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Are we looking at his hall?
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
When you said that, I thought you would referring to
what I said with the Rams, So all right, I
think you misinterpreted what he was saying. I think what
he was saying is Matthew Stafford would do exactly what
he was supposed to do throw three four hundred yards,
but the team would still lose, and that is oftentimes
was the case. And I think Joe Burrow was also
(27:34):
taking a little shot on his own team, because what
did Joe Burrow do last year? Throw forty something touchdowns
all five thousand yards, balling out of control three four
hundred yards and still lose. So I think he was
taking a little shot at his own team, like, hey,
I know a little something about throws.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Talking about he was talking about just that is my
interpretation Thanksgiving. What I'm saying Thanksgiving memory is Matthew Stafford
going up three hundred meaningless yards and another loss.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
It was actually that's exactly what he was talking about.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
It was it meaning that those putrid years where we
had quarterback after quarterback at the quarter like well, you
can't even it was Kidna and who.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Else was in there? Uh, kidd one bad. He was like.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
A middle is like all right, I'm not matt maddickitting.
He was like a Jameis Winston. We're like, all right,
we we can win some, we might lose something. He
wasn't bad, but we had we had a run of
some just bad quarterback play. But no, I think that's
more of what he was saying. But Matthew Stafford, he
has interesting history in Detroit. We talked about it before.
I think one of the reasons why people in that
area will still respect him because he wanted to. He
didn't shy way, he didn't do an Eli or some
(28:41):
other people, maybe even a Shador and then like I
don't want to go there, I'll pass. He was like,
they're back can basket. He's sure the Lions are going
to be their own sixteen. You want to go that
bad organization, Bring it on. I'm ready. I want to
be a part of the change. You remember Caleb and
his father was like, I don't know, we want to
go to Chicago. We might want to go to DC.
Matthew was like, YO, bring it. And I think he
earned a lot of respect out in Detroit for that that.
(29:02):
He was helped be part of the change and got
to a few postseason runs. So but there listen as
a Lions fan, there were some brutal Thanksgiving. The best
thing was thank God something on my plate because I
know that's football game about to be terrible. There was
a lot of years like that. I can't lie.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I can't lie. There was many a here like that.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
We had the barbershops when he cuts on seven mile
row between out of Driving Myers. We used to have
Lion season tickets that we used to give, like when
you got a haircut, you would get a ticket from
your barber.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
We put it into a you know, a draft or whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Yep, and you know, if you kept coming, then we
start giving out Lion season tickets. Before that, that oh
and sixteenth season, we had called up. They had called
eight people, Hey we got we got a pair of
ticket we need to a lower bowl, like we wasn't lower.
We got a pair of tickets to Lions game on
Sunday whatever, lower one hundred level.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
What else? Shall got?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
What?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I rather get three free haircuts? And I get a
haircut free for the month, every month, every week for
a month. They didn't want to go.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
It was it was.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It was bad. It's the weirdest thing. You were there.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
They have a massive fan base that unwarranted because they
didn't deserve the fan base that they have. You I
think you would even agree on that. No, I mean
it was so bad for so long they didn't deserve that.
I get it, but you know foot, but it's a
great sports town. I told you, I've worked all over
the country. It's the greatest sports town in America. I
don't care what anybody says as much as Rabbit fans. Boston, Philadelphia,
(30:29):
New York, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I think those cities, a lot of them, they were
already split, you know, because there's multiple teams.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Detroit has that
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