December 3, 2025 • 36 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us why the Milwaukee Bucks need to bite the bullet and trade disgruntled superstar Giannis Antetokounmpo, debate whether Chris Paul deserved to get fired in the middle of the night by the Los Angeles Clippers, and argue over whether it’s fair to say that Giannis left a lot of meat on the bone during his playoff career in Milwaukee.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
It's something that's been percolating now for several months, but
we got an official word today. According to ESPN, Yannis
and his representatives will be reevaluating their future there in Milwaukee.
They planning meet with the front office here in the
coming weeks to have some kind of resolution, which all
signs pointing to Jannis onto the Goopo officially demanding a
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trade at in Milwaukee.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Hold on, rob G, say his name again, Jannis out
at the Goupo.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
I'm going to rename him Kelvin on this very day.
To Jannis, I think it's time for me to go.
And that's where he is. Jannis has turned into the
new Benedict Arnold.
Speaker 7 (01:13):
I thought Jiannis was different.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
I thought he wasn't like all of these American basketball
players who don't want to win on their own, who
are AAU driven and let's team up and let's do
this and let's not have the competition.
Speaker 7 (01:29):
I love Jannis.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
I am absolutely heartbroken that he fell into this.
Speaker 7 (01:37):
Jannis, you want a championship.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Go ask Chris Paul whether he wants to whether he
wanted to win a championship. Go ask Charles Barkley, Go
ask Patrick Ewing. I'll just go on and on and
on about all these great players who would die to
have a championship.
Speaker 7 (01:54):
And guess what you did when people told you were
foolish and.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
You were dumb and all the these other words that
because you decided to stay in Milwaukee and you wanted
to do your own thing and not nt follow the crowd.
Speaker 7 (02:09):
I admired you. I praised you. I thought to myself,
thank God, he's not cut.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
From the same cloth that these other lemons are lemmons,
you know what I'm saying. But instead, here you are,
when the tough kids going. Now you're ready to bail
on Milwaukee, and y honest, I have just one thing
to say to you. I hope you find happiness wherever
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it is that you want to go. But every night
I'll say to myself before I go to sleep, I
hope Yannis never wins another championship.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
That's where I am today.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Listen, I knew this was coming, you know, we talked
about this during the offseason, Rob and I knew this
was coming because I knew Yannisy. He talks I want
to win multiple. I want to win the multiple. When
they say won one championship, that's good, it's not good
enough for me, Like he wants to be considered one
of the all time greats who have multiple championships. And
(03:12):
we'll talk a little bit later on my thoughts a
little bit more about him, but right now, organizationally, to me,
this is one of those times where it can have
been a clean split. Last season, you know, they could
have found that they obviously reports that the only team
that was really in the worst was the Knicks. There
was conversations there, but they couldn't really find a way
to make that happen. Because he's been there all of
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these years. You would agree that's why you loved him.
Blunts Wet Tears founder got them a championship to a
team in an organization that generally doesn't and at a
certain point if he felt it was time to leave.
There was he is a superstar to me that could
have had the clean cut, could have said, you know what,
I've tried my best, we had a great run. I'm
ready to just move on. It's best for both parties.
And they could have done that amicably and moved on.
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But the string and along I don't want to leave
or I do want to leave, putting pressure on organization.
They're not with the prege showing the organization their reports
about the Knicks. Then now this this new report that
they're gonna have a conversation to me, just leave. If
you're gonna leave, kind of you know orf you're gonna stay. Stay,
Stop tiptoeing around it, because this is where it gets messy.
This is where fans who might have said, you know what,
(04:17):
I have no issue. He gave us his all for
twelve years. He can move on. Now it gets weird,
mixed messages. I'm staying, I'm leaving, I'm going, I'm staying.
I don't want to leave, And this is where it
can get bad. Rip the band aid off and go
on about your business. If it's time to go, it's
time to go. As you said, then it's.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Time to go.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
It gets weird, it gets murky, it's gonna get it,
gonna get ugly. He's gonna end up leaving where Milwaukee
fans hate him where he's one of the rare superstars
to me who could have parted ways and have been
like you know what.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
And they should and they should hate him, they should
burn his jersey, they should do all that other craziness
that fans do and say, get lost, don't let the
door hit you on the way out. Because I really
believed he was a different cat, and he walked his
own beat, but ultimately he caved. There's a lot of
great players you talk about winning multiple Can I give
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you some names I mentioned, Charles Barkley, Carl Malone, John Stackton,
Elgin Baylor, Chris Paul, James Harden, Allen Iverson. I could
give you, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewan, Steve Nash, Dominique Wilkins.
It ain't a birthright that you win multiple championships.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I agree with.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
That is fan fodder, that's BS okay.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
And you can't tell me that if Isaiah Thomas never
won those two championships with the Pistons, I wouldn't think
he was a great player, because it doesn't mean you're
not a great player.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
Obviously, you want to win.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
And what made him so special is that he was
able to win in a place where it's hard to win,
you know. And I think that's what made his career.
His one championship in Milwaukee is worth two in NBA
America because it's that hard. He didn't go to some
franchise that's always won. You know, you could go look
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at the Celtics and Paul Pierce and all those they
put together, They made the trades, got a team together.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
How many did they win? They won one and they
had three they had won. Lebron's been playing.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
For forty years, He's got four championships.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
It ain't that easy to win.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
I know it sounds like that, but today Jiohnn's disappointed me.
And again, you know, hey, I wish him nothing but
the best of luck, except for when it comes to
winning a championship.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I'll I'll give the Bucks credit. And that they got
rid of coaches. Remember Adrian Griffin got rid of him.
Was coaching pretty well, and they got rid of him
and they brought in Doc That's it's by all accounts,
it seemed like that's who Yianna's wanted.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
They've moved down there and gave up.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
They got Damian Lillard, he had Chris Middleton, They've had
Bobby Porters, They've had Brook Lopez, they got you Holiday.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
They put some guys around him.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I'm not saying to your point that it's the eight
Boston Celtics, or it's the Heatles or the Warriors, but David,
they've had some good teams. So the team has tried
their best while also being in Milwaukee to put some
things around him. And I got some indictments on him
that we'll get to later on into the show. But
as I got a little I got some issues with
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Giannis again because when you look at it, over the
last six to eight years, they've tried and he wasn't
going up against the Bohemans. You know, you mentioned Magic
and the Lakers and Celtic. He wasn't going against those
types of teams. To me, there was some I had
thoughts that I expected some more out of him. So
we'll get there later on in the show. But my
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point is they put some pieces around him. They've gotten
coaches he wanted. He seems to not be happy. He
puts pressure on the organization. Then he doesn't, and then
he says I'm ready to stay here. Then he says
I'm ready to go, and I just think again, if
they're gonna part, just part, wipe your hands, clean, clean, breakup.
Don't do the whole getting back together, flirting back, call you,
(08:01):
text you back, Just cut it off so that it
can be something where they're like, you know, we had
a good run, because they'll get ugly if he keeps
doing this.
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Speaker 4 (08:51):
Paul Pierce has just many clips for having the worst
farewell tour in abas because, in case you've been living
under a rock, Chris Paul was w rob.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
G, where'd you get that from? Where'd you get that from?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Get what what you just said?
Speaker 7 (09:06):
Because that was actually funny.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I stole that from your joke book that you left
here in the studio.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I'm asking.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I'm just clever sometimes every once in a while.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
All right, I'm in print.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
So the Clippers are currently in Atlanta taking on the Hawks.
Are actually up by six points right now, middle of
the first quarter. But in the overnight hours, at two
thirty am Eastern, to be specific, Chris Paul announced via
Instagram that the team told him to go home. You're
not welcome here anymore. And according to ESPN Shan Sharanya,
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Chris Paul before he got sent home had not been
on speaking terms with head coach Tyleru for weeks because
Chris Paul and his quote unquote leadership style had been
clashy with everybody around. He's very vocal about holding management,
coaches and players accountable. You'll recall about a week ago
he put the literal definition for leeway on his Instagram story.
(10:04):
Very cryptic, long story short, Chris Paul is gone. He's
at home. According to the LA Times, very few teams
are intent, if any, in bringing him back. So this
farewell Tour not going the way we expected it would.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
This is a lesson, Kelvin for all people out there.
You gotta know where you fit in. Chris Paul still
thinks he's that dynamic guard from ten years ago. And
you know when everybody wanted his services and they're gonna
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win a championship and when they were up to all
against the Suns in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Oh, he's a top three point guard of remember all that.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Yeah, yeah, I hate to break it to you, Chris Paul,
you ain't that anymore. And when you're not good enough
as a player, an't be a jerk. That's what he was, Kelvin.
(11:06):
I've been covering the league since nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
When I talk to a lot of people around the league,
this is his mo right, calling people out, rubbing people
the wrong way, telling players, I'll get you up out
of here, like he's a GM.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Just all that.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
It comes as no surprise when you're averaging two points
and you're not playing, nobody wants.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
You to be a squeaky wheel. It doesn't mean that
anything he said.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
I'm about the team and the players that they've been off.
They had an awful season. He's not the messenger. He's
not the guy to deliver that message. I don't care
about the career. How long you play. You're not playing
veteran who's still starting the starting point guard. You're not
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playing your averaging two points. Kelvin.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
You gotta know better. You have to. I bring up
this story all the time Fantasy Island.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
I'm not equating Chris Paul to Tattoo, but I'm just
trying to say Tattoo was on a very popular show,
Fantasy Island with Ricardo Montalbaum.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
He wanted Montalbaum money.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
He went to the producers at ABC and demanded Montalbaum money.
He's a little person with a couple of lines. The plane.
The plane is not gonna get you equal money. You're
not an equal star on the show. Did ABC Ben
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and producers Ben Kelvin?
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Did they Ben?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
No? No?
Speaker 7 (13:04):
What they do? They replaced them?
Speaker 6 (13:06):
They said, all right, cool, peace, peace, and the Clippers
did the same exact thing.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
He wasn't good enough anymore.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
You can't be not good or so so or bad
or whatever you want to say and think you have
the same clout as when you were a big time.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
Star in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I don't care about how long you played all that
other stuff. There's a way of going about it. There's
a way of being a player's coach, dealing with young
players passing along. Do you know what I mean? Not
to be a distraction. And that's why Chris Paul, his
farewell tour got detoured and the bus went off the cliff.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
That's what happened.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Chris Paul, rob has lived long enough. You know that
old phrase, they say, you either die hero, you live
long enough to see yourself become the villain. I feel
like Chris Paul the allegory of his NBA career. If
you look back, he was the babyface assassin when he
was with the Hornets and maybe making that team overachieve
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and battling against Kobe and the Lakers in playoff. You're like, man,
this kid is good and ends up becoming the elite.
Not only they call him a point guard, they called
the point god. And we thought of him as the
ultimate leader and he was gonna ultimately become a Laker.
David Stern says, no to that, and then he becomes
a Clipper in Live City, as you know you were
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here some of those years, becomes the sexy pick. They
were the eight team before the Warriors. People wanted to
you know, they're gonna win a championship. They were fun
to watch and it never manifested. But Chris Paul then
started to become It went bad with him and Blake Griffin.
You heard all those stories about them not getting along,
not getting along with this guy, him and DJ getting
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into it, and then you hear about him and Doc
getting into it. Then he goes to other teams and
the teams are good because he's a very good player,
one of the all time greats, and they always overachieved.
You kind of thought, oh, okay, the Rockets house is
going to work with him and Russell Westbrook. It worked,
he didn't get hurt. They might have went to the finals.
It worked with Oka.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
See.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
But all the other stuff we would hear how he
would just grind people's gears.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
He would wear on people. He can never change.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
He would never evolve his style as far as getting
a wrong with people. They you know, you hear stuff about
telling aw, don't do what the coach, they do this,
do that, and so it's remarkable to me that a
guy the first seven eight years of his career was beloved,
was one of the most entertaining, had all the commercials.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
He was Chris and Cliff Paul.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
He was the guy became kind of the grumpy old
man and.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Go on to teams and they're not liking them and
things aren't going good.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
It's just been remarkable to see that happen over the
years of his career.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
And you mentioned it. You can be on a team.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And be a guy that's not necessarily producing, but still
be a veteran presence and guys respect you and listen
to hard you doing that is it's okay to evolve.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
And it sounds like he never evolved.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I'll give you an example somebody who he was gonna
be paired with, which would have been insane as far
as the locker room.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
It was him and Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Kobe Bryant talks about he had to evolve as a
leader because the way his approach was the first seven, eight, nine,
ten years of his.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Career wasn't gonna get it.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know that if he was trying to win, he
had to find other ways to motivate, find other ways
he had. He talked about I gotta be in with guys.
He talked about, I had to have these personal relationships.
Guys are bringing in baggage, they were going through things
in life. I gotta tap in with the guy, not
just the player. And it seems like Chris never evolved
like he just the way he was. He's hey, we
runs hot, He's always, you know, on go, and that
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just seemed to rough guy, you know, tea guys around
way so much so that the organization that brought him
back to kind of be the staple. This is the
guy Rob who was supposed to get his the the
first jersey up in this in the rafters of the
end to a dome. This was the guy who's supposed
to be the first statue there right. This supposed to
be bring him back. He was the you know, at
our best years, he was our leader. And now it's
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looking like that might not happen. Now it's looking like
that relationship is fractured. And last thing I'll say is,
at the end of the day, Rob, the clippers gonna
clip the clippers. You had Chris, Paul Blake, Jamal Griffin,
DeAndre Jordan, all these great players for years, got nothing
for it. You get a new owner spending money. He's great,
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he's enthusiastic. You start doing nothing for it. You get
Kawhi Leonard I'm not coming unless you get Paul George.
You get Paul George, You got Kawhi, you got James Harden.
Over the years, you got a new State Arena, nothing
to show for it.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
For all of this.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
If I told you all the guys that you have,
Paul George, Kawhi, Chris, Paul Blaker, and DeAndre Jordan, Jamal Crawford,
who I'm missing, I say, James Hard I mean all
these guys, Russell Westbrook and at the end of that run,
you have one Western Conference final appearance.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
The Clippers gonna clip man.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
Yeah, but they did the right thing here though.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
You can't have somebody disrupting, even in a bad situation
that they're in. You can't disrespect your bosses, you can't
disrespect the front office. You can't disrespect the other.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
People you work with.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Dude, you should go go on Twitter and look at
all the ex players who play with him saying I
can't stand that guy, or.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
Just unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Go look, go look, let me ask you question. I
got one.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
This is the trail that that was left. But when
he was a star, it's harder to push back on,
you know that.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Especially because he was a point guard, so you viewed
it as you know, leader, he's got to be doing
some riot. He's a leader as a consummate leader, robb G.
I want to ask you this to both of you guys.
If I'm just talking playing on the court, he's still
one of my all time favorite point guards to watch
and also just period, like where he stands for me?
Do you believe what we've seen over the last ten years?
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People called him dirty player? You know you see him
punch guys, album guys in the you know whats you know,
just doing dirty plays, kind of becoming grumpy.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Do you think that has hurt his stature the player?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Like the actually like where the rankings and where you
know how people view because I feel like he went
for job said it top three four point guard.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Ever they're like, now, guys, I heard the other.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Day with a bunch of former players, They're like, yeah,
he's like, you know, top seven, eight, nah, maybe eight,
you know, top ten for sure? I'm like, wait a minute,
A decade ago, this dude was top three four, you know,
maybe five at the latest.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Do you think that's hurt him?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I don't. I think that when when you look at
his resume, it's up there with everybody not named Steph,
Magic and Isaiah like he.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Has I feel like like eleven time all NBA.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
He's been in the top ten in the MVP, like
seven times, like are you kidding me? Like Chris Paul
and you mentioned that he's rubbed people the wrong way
for a long time. Part of it was he kind
of had to be that kind of player to get
the most out of his abilities, because you know, he's
five to ten on a good day. It's like a
buck eighty, not super quick, not getting jump high, you know.
But he was crafty and he was a bulldog and
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did everything I do to win. And it's funny that
you mentioned these former players who say that they don't
think he's that great or that he rubbed them the
wrong way? What are they all having common? Everybody who
said that, none of them have wanted anything. So maybe
he was doing what he thought he could.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
I'm I'm gonna push, I'm gonna push back on that
because he didn't win anything either.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
He want more at every spot he went to than they,
but he didn't win.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Ultimately, Ultimately, everybody and you remember this, wanted to crown
them when they were up too old with the son.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
What if the Suns done since then? Rob No, I
I every team.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
That doesn't mean just because you don't win doesn't mean
you can't have criticism.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
I'm just saying I've heard it from too many people.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Oh yeah, but all the people you've heard it for
didn't win. Blake Griffin never want anything, never want anything,
want anything like you could go down the list.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
There were people, I'm going to tell you, I'm not
people who have won in this league told me that
a bad stuff that he's You say that on the
air of the time.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
No give me names, Brady Quinn, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Going to say who.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
What I'm saying is yes, and I could see how
we would rub people the wrong way because he is.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
All the time hot, all times that it would have
been the scariest teammates to be.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
They would everybody.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
He would not have been sent home off on this
if they hadn't you think that it just happened last week?
Speaker 4 (21:46):
But This is also organization that disrespected Blake Griffin his
way out the door.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
This is what he left.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
This is a team that is allegedly gave Kawhi Leonard
like thirty million dollars and then Mark Bills behind the
back of a toilet seat because they don't seem to
be doing things the right way.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
That what you're doing, though, is clouding what Chris Paul
did for them to be able to.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
Send and he won't be signed by anybody, nobody.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Because he's a forty year reat guard who can't move
any forget it.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
But after they but it could have been in a
nice send off, and he wruined.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It's crazy to think that we're here, we will got
back here.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
He got you say that Rob g who ruined it?
He ruled the Clippers did. The Clippers are five and
sixteen right now. They're cowtowing to Kawhi Leonard, James Harden
and Tylou. None of them have been a good leader
in any shape sense of the word. Kawhi is under
investigation alleged for keeping money. James, I'm not James Harden,
James Christ Paul off the hook? How am I many
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off in a bag?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Here's here's what I think. Here's why I think, Here's why.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I think the two things Chris Paul's demeanor, Chris Paul's
aptitude to want to compete, Chris Paul's making every organization
better on the on the court, I think he came
there and saw how they've been running and who they've
and signing, and I think as opposed to just fitting
in on my last little hourah, I think he came
in there and disrupted, you know, like, hey.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
This is how y'all do it? This, Why y'all signed?
Why would y'll put this guy with us?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
And I think they didn't like that, and I think
they're like, man, you can't come in here. We brought
you in here for the ceremonial, ride this thing out
with us. And I think he came in there, you know,
high strong on this is how you win, you do
it this way. And they didn't like that, and like,
what is he? What is he won every team he
goes to, he's what is he won?
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Kel absolute question? He what did he win?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
He hasn't won?
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Okay, he didn't win anything. He just like the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
He didn't win and the Clippers didn't win.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
What did what did he win?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
He did win finals? Did he win the championship? That's okay,
absolutely not. And that's a part of him trying.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
To crown him like he's coming in he's Michael Jordan.
He's telling you how I'm gonna win title.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Averaging two points.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
You're forty one years old. Stop it, you're not far.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I disagree with that part. I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I think you can be a Juwan Howard Jared Dudley
guy on a team who ain't averaging nothing and be
a great leader. I'm agreeing that his approach probably was wrong,
but I think his approach was wrong, probably as.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Probably or definitely probably.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Let me take I'm sure Chris Paul, Chris Paul and
Tyron Lou didn't like it. Don't come in here telling
me how to run it. I'd have been running this
team with an injured Kawhi injured James.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
What's the difference between Chris Paul and Tyron Lou? What's
the difference?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Got ring?
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Okay, there you go. He's a championship coach.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
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Speaker 4 (24:52):
Deianni's actually played tonight for a few minutes, that is,
because he left the game early with what they're calling
a calf injury. If you watch the video, non contact,
He's going to the rim passing the ball, comes around
the other side, immediately goes down. Hopefully it's nothing more
than a calf strain, but that could complicate his murky
future with the Bucks because you mentioned it. According to ESPN,
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he and his representatives we'll be talking to the Bucks
front office here in a couple of weeks to discuss
his future with the franchise. All signs pointing to you, however,
him finally after months and years of speculation, demanding a
trade out of town.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, I mean I thought we would be here.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Rob and I, you know, we talked about it, Rob,
you know, over the offseason, just because the report started
to come out.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
What would happen? What do you do?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And I thought this was gonna happen because I thought
you could see he's starting to put pressure on the team.
He started to be vocal about things, and to something
you always bring up, he kind of felt like he
wasn't that guy. He cent of felt like, you know,
he was one of those guys who kind of just
gonna ride this thing out. But over the last two
three years, he's been making he's been louder, right, he's
been a little grumpier. He's been a little bit more
what are we doing? Where are we going? Which he's
(25:59):
earned that right too.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
The last year they had a chance to do that
and he didn't and he said he didn't ask for
a trade.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Right, No, but he's but he has been hit him.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
He's been vocal about where are we going, what's the
direction I want to win?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Multiple this isn't good.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
I mean when he asked for Damian Lillard, Like when
he asked and they traded away everything for Damian Lillard.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, So I'm saying he's become.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
To understand this at all. To me, I just don't
understand what point of I don't understand, like, like they've
made moves, they've done everything that you could ask him.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I'm with you.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
So the Milwaukee it's Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
That's what I left going.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
To Miami five years ago. He didn't want to go.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
But I'm saying, I'm saying, to your point, one of
the things that we've said and we all I think
most people would agree.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Is the Leastern Conference.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
It's been twenty twenty five years, however, long of the
Eastern Conference being the least between that and the way,
you know, the lesser conference between the two. And to me,
as good as Giannis is, two time MVP, Defensive Player
of the Year, Rookie of the Year, all NBA a
million times, I mean he has been He's been that guy.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
He is first ballot Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
When I look back, and we talked about this a
bit before, Rob, I will say, especially post championship, it
has been strange for me and a bit disappointing to
me that Giannis hasn't gotten back and just dominated the East.
I'm not saying he had to win three, four, five rings,
that's very difficult. And his team, you know, he had
to have the Warriors with Katie and stuff. But the
idea that he doesn't make it back, the ideaity he's
(27:28):
not regularly in the Eastern Conference finals are regularly in
the you know, have been to the finals multiple times,
has been a little underwhelming for how good, how great,
how talented he is I expected once.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
You know, on the talented teams in the East, and
there's not really as good.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
As he is. There's not.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
That's literally why we call it the least. There's top
there's one or two. But your kid.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Miami's been to the finals a couple of times. It
doesn't act nothing about those Miamis have made a run.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
It's not and not a single time you made me
look at Yanna's where we think he is.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
He should not look at that as well. I can't
get past.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
So how come Lebron didn't go to the finals every
year in the West with when he showed up in
the I mean there were years theydn't even make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
No, right, we're talking about the East. I literally that's
why I'm just talking the easiest conference.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
I don't specific I don't think it's that he hasn't
dominated out to be. I don't think that Gianna should
be in the finals every year.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
I think that's a pipe dream. I just don't believe that.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Yannas, how about christ Fiddleton and the other players are there,
But I still don't think he has to go to
the finals every year.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
What I'm saying is there's no way Rob that he
is thirty thirty one years old putting up these numbers
still in his prime, and his team is what are
they nine and thirteen or something, And the fact that
he's that three first round exits he's got gotten past
the Simmis, that is underwhelming for this guy and how
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great he is. If I just blindly told you this
guy's resume and that he's thirty thirty one years old,
still in.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
I would tell you blindly that he won a championship
in Milwaukee, Wisconsin that hadn't won a championship since Kareem
Abdul Jabbar was lu Al Sinda.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
I mean, like, what.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Do he just stop?
Speaker 6 (29:18):
No, that doesn't mean to stop. He tells me something.
I just know what you but your idea, I just
think you have an unrealistic idea. I'm gonna be honest
that you think everybody like you have to go to
the finals or the championship every year, or the idea
that Giannis can't get beat or he hasn't played there
was a time when they lost to Miami where he
(29:40):
didn't play as well as he had played and miss
free throws or whatever.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
He won a championship there.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I don't know what you.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
I don't even know who you are to win fortune.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
You're throwing crazy bell.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
You throwing some bell that I ain't never seen you
a bell bondsman right now, as great as he is,
as dominant as he is in a that does.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Not play to a great and dominant and they didn't win.
They didn't win one.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I said, you can't even regularly when he's conference finals.
The fact that these first round exists, if this were
anyone of that statue where what we're saying is they
will be getting ridiculed. There will be concerns. We're not
saying he's not any extenuating circumstances. Are there any extenuating circumstances?
Speaker 7 (30:23):
No, I gave you as.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You if I'm the bucks, I'm answering if I if
I gave you you know what, You're right and you're honest.
We do need a tweak. Let's go get you. Dang
You and Dave don't work out. I got Brook Lopez,
Bobby Portis, Drew Holiday and Chris Middleton and all these
guys that only worked the one time.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Doesn't work like and you're so good, you're at least
I believe.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I think we've all been led to believe that you
also are capable of dragging a team, and there are
certain people when you're at that level that is expected
Luca Dodgers in the expectation that if Luca again doesn't
drag some teams in some Western Conference finals and finals,
we're gonna be upset yo Kic. He's that good, that
dominant that if Yokis doesn't drive. I'm not saying these
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guys gonna have three, four or five rings, but I'm
saying the winning and getting deeper playoff runs, I think
that should be that's warranted. I think that that is
not without mary for how great they are. To ask
Jannis to dominate the East for a decade, What's I
think that's a fair point.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Hey, Yannis, just not saying you gotta.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Win five, go to the finals a couple of times,
win a couple of Eastern Conference finals, get to them.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
That's all I'm saying. It is he's left me on
the bone palls.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
He's left to be desired to me for how great
he is in a conference. Again, that's what rob we
came into this season is wide open?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Is it the Knicks? Is it the Pistons? Is like
who can win it?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
And they're underachieving when this should have been a year
he easily is dominant.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
I think I think you're you're you're missing the elephant
in the room, and you're not being honest. They choked
down that series Doc Rivers is again. They highed him.
Jannis wanted the coach they had before him, didn't even
give him a chance, wanted him out. Jannis was the
one that signed off. I guess on Doc Rivers right,
they've choked Where.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Did I get it wrong? That sound like my point
with y honest?
Speaker 6 (32:17):
No, No, your point is my only point is I
just think that your expectations for him.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Are through the roof.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
That you really believe that he should be in the
West Eastern Conference finals.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Every year for ten years. I just don't see that.
I think there are other players and other teams. I don't.
I just don't.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
I don't see anybody doing that. But you think Jannis
has been wasted. I don't think Jannis has been wasted
in Milwaukee at all. The idea that Yannis won a
championship in Milwaukee is mind blowing to me. Is way
ten times more than I could have ever imagined Yannis
winning a championship in Milwaukee Okay, so your expectations in
(32:58):
mine are different. You expect him to dominate him and
win and go to the finals four or five times.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I just don't see that.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
I'm shocking that he went on the title shy.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I'm saying a couple of final appears some Eastern Conference
mixed in there, just where you're a very competitive team.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
The idea that Giannis at the two KUPO MVP candidate
two time winner, one, two or three every year in
the voting, regularly is out in the first round, we
would blast so many other people that talented, of that
elk that awarded that uh you know, herald it. We
would blast anyone else if they're regularly out in the
first round or barely get into the simmis, we would
(33:36):
be like, what is going on there?
Speaker 6 (33:38):
And that's my They got to win five in Cache
that other people don't have, and that's that he won
a championship.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
And there have been other extenuating circumstances.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
You didn't You didn't bring up Damien and Lillard and
him didn't really go together. It didn't work out. Talk
about when you know it did it didn't work out.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
That's why I.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Said, figure it out, it out then.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Yeah, but they tried and it went out, and you
and everybody else when they went and god, Damnian.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Lillard said, oh god, oh that's gonna be perfect.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
This is great.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Look at it. Look at this, Matt, this is gonna
work out perfect. Those guys go.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
For Gianni and Damian Lillard not working. I'm getting the
blade you.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Lucky here, but you're making it.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
No.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
But I just think your expectations are unrealistic.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
That that's what I mean for expecting a dude of this,
this dominance to get past the first round.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
You expected Luca, Luca and Lebron to get to the
Western Conference finals right last year.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I didn't expect them.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I thought they could and I expect Luke what happened
to I expect Luca his tenure with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
If Luca doesn't get to the Western Conference Finals again
this year coming up, then what what is that for him?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I'm just I'm saying this is his run. No, I'm
not run.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
You what should he get to the fire Western Conference
finals the next fantasy?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
It is possible for them. I don't like Houston. You
know you already told you.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I like Houston and like Okay, see, and then you
got Denver. What I'm saying is, if Lucas is here
five six years in LA and he don't go to
two three Western Guns finals or get a.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Ring, that's underwhelming. Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
If Joker don't get back to the finals as great
as he is, that's underwhelming. If Joker doesn't regularly you'll
get to the Western Covers finals two three more times. Yes,
these guys are that elite, and I guarantee you they
hold themselves to that expectation.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
I think you're I just think your expectations are really
high because we talk about how hard it.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
Is to win.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
So many things have to go your way. It's just
not as easy as you think. And I and I
don't care how talented that you are. You just talked
about you guys went bent over backwards for Chris Paul
and that's great.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
He's a top two.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Do you think you have him as a top four
or five guard right point guard? Yeah, he's been on
a ton of teams. He got to the finals one time.
It's harder than you think. And I don't care how
talented you are. It's harder than you think.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
And not most.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Guys, even Lebron, when you think about, yeah, he's been
there ten times, he's been playing the league twenty what
four years, he got four championships.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
That's wow. Four He's got four championships.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Twenty four years.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
To be getting out in the first round in a
conference that's not even that hard period period
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
It's something that's been percolating now for several months, but
we got an official word today. According to ESPN, Yannis
and his representatives will be reevaluating their future there in Milwaukee.
They planning meet with the front office here in the
coming weeks to have some kind of resolution, which all
signs pointing to Jannis onto the Goopo officially demanding a
(00:47):
trade at in Milwaukee.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Hold on, rob G, say his name again, Jannis out
at the Goupo.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
I'm going to rename him Kelvin on this very day.
To Jannis, I think it's time for me to go.
And that's where he is. Jannis has turned into the
new Benedict Arnold.
Speaker 7 (01:13):
I thought Jiannis was different.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
I thought he wasn't like all of these American basketball
players who don't want to win on their own, who
are AAU driven and let's team up and let's do
this and let's not have the competition.
Speaker 7 (01:29):
I love Jannis.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
I am absolutely heartbroken that he fell into this.
Speaker 7 (01:37):
Jannis, you want a championship.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Go ask Chris Paul whether he wants to whether he
wanted to win a championship. Go ask Charles Barkley, Go
ask Patrick Ewing. I'll just go on and on and
on about all these great players who would die to
have a championship.
Speaker 7 (01:54):
And guess what you did when people told you were
foolish and.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
You were dumb and all the these other words that
because you decided to stay in Milwaukee and you wanted
to do your own thing and not nt follow the crowd.
Speaker 7 (02:09):
I admired you. I praised you. I thought to myself,
thank God, he's not cut.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
From the same cloth that these other lemons are lemmons,
you know what I'm saying. But instead, here you are,
when the tough kids going. Now you're ready to bail
on Milwaukee, and y honest, I have just one thing
to say to you. I hope you find happiness wherever
(02:37):
it is that you want to go. But every night
I'll say to myself before I go to sleep, I
hope Yannis never wins another championship.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
That's where I am today.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Listen, I knew this was coming, you know, we talked
about this during the offseason, Rob and I knew this
was coming because I knew Yannisy. He talks I want
to win multiple. I want to win the multiple. When
they say won one championship, that's good, it's not good
enough for me, Like he wants to be considered one
of the all time greats who have multiple championships. And
(03:12):
we'll talk a little bit later on my thoughts a
little bit more about him, but right now, organizationally, to me,
this is one of those times where it can have
been a clean split. Last season, you know, they could
have found that they obviously reports that the only team
that was really in the worst was the Knicks. There
was conversations there, but they couldn't really find a way
to make that happen. Because he's been there all of
(03:32):
these years. You would agree that's why you loved him.
Blunts Wet Tears founder got them a championship to a
team in an organization that generally doesn't and at a
certain point if he felt it was time to leave.
There was he is a superstar to me that could
have had the clean cut, could have said, you know what,
I've tried my best, we had a great run. I'm
ready to just move on. It's best for both parties.
And they could have done that amicably and moved on.
(03:55):
But the string and along I don't want to leave
or I do want to leave, putting pressure on organization.
They're not with the prege showing the organization their reports
about the Knicks. Then now this this new report that
they're gonna have a conversation to me, just leave. If
you're gonna leave, kind of you know orf you're gonna stay. Stay,
Stop tiptoeing around it, because this is where it gets messy.
This is where fans who might have said, you know what,
(04:17):
I have no issue. He gave us his all for
twelve years. He can move on. Now it gets weird,
mixed messages. I'm staying, I'm leaving, I'm going, I'm staying.
I don't want to leave, And this is where it
can get bad. Rip the band aid off and go
on about your business. If it's time to go, it's
time to go. As you said, then it's.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Time to go.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
It gets weird, it gets murky, it's gonna get it,
gonna get ugly. He's gonna end up leaving where Milwaukee
fans hate him where he's one of the rare superstars
to me who could have parted ways and have been
like you know what.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
And they should and they should hate him, they should
burn his jersey, they should do all that other craziness
that fans do and say, get lost, don't let the
door hit you on the way out. Because I really
believed he was a different cat, and he walked his
own beat, but ultimately he caved. There's a lot of
great players you talk about winning multiple Can I give
(05:06):
you some names I mentioned, Charles Barkley, Carl Malone, John Stackton,
Elgin Baylor, Chris Paul, James Harden, Allen Iverson. I could
give you, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewan, Steve Nash, Dominique Wilkins.
It ain't a birthright that you win multiple championships.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I agree with.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
That is fan fodder, that's BS okay.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
And you can't tell me that if Isaiah Thomas never
won those two championships with the Pistons, I wouldn't think
he was a great player, because it doesn't mean you're
not a great player.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
Obviously, you want to win.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
And what made him so special is that he was
able to win in a place where it's hard to win,
you know. And I think that's what made his career.
His one championship in Milwaukee is worth two in NBA
America because it's that hard. He didn't go to some
franchise that's always won. You know, you could go look
(05:58):
at the Celtics and Paul Pierce and all those they
put together, They made the trades, got a team together.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
How many did they win? They won one and they
had three they had won. Lebron's been playing.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
For forty years, He's got four championships.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
It ain't that easy to win.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
I know it sounds like that, but today Jiohnn's disappointed me.
And again, you know, hey, I wish him nothing but
the best of luck, except for when it comes to
winning a championship.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I'll I'll give the Bucks credit. And that they got
rid of coaches. Remember Adrian Griffin got rid of him.
Was coaching pretty well, and they got rid of him
and they brought in Doc That's it's by all accounts,
it seemed like that's who Yianna's wanted.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
They've moved down there and gave up.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
They got Damian Lillard, he had Chris Middleton, They've had
Bobby Porters, They've had Brook Lopez, they got you Holiday.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
They put some guys around him.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I'm not saying to your point that it's the eight
Boston Celtics, or it's the Heatles or the Warriors, but David,
they've had some good teams. So the team has tried
their best while also being in Milwaukee to put some
things around him. And I got some indictments on him
that we'll get to later on into the show. But
as I got a little I got some issues with
(07:17):
Giannis again because when you look at it, over the
last six to eight years, they've tried and he wasn't
going up against the Bohemans. You know, you mentioned Magic
and the Lakers and Celtic. He wasn't going against those
types of teams. To me, there was some I had
thoughts that I expected some more out of him. So
we'll get there later on in the show. But my
(07:38):
point is they put some pieces around him. They've gotten
coaches he wanted. He seems to not be happy. He
puts pressure on the organization. Then he doesn't, and then
he says I'm ready to stay here. Then he says
I'm ready to go, and I just think again, if
they're gonna part, just part, wipe your hands, clean, clean, breakup.
Don't do the whole getting back together, flirting back, call you,
(08:01):
text you back, Just cut it off so that it
can be something where they're like, you know, we had
a good run, because they'll get ugly if he keeps
doing this.
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Speaker 4 (08:51):
Paul Pierce has just many clips for having the worst
farewell tour in abas because, in case you've been living
under a rock, Chris Paul was w rob.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
G, where'd you get that from? Where'd you get that from?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Get what what you just said?
Speaker 7 (09:06):
Because that was actually funny.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I stole that from your joke book that you left
here in the studio.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I'm asking.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I'm just clever sometimes every once in a while.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
All right, I'm in print.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
So the Clippers are currently in Atlanta taking on the Hawks.
Are actually up by six points right now, middle of
the first quarter. But in the overnight hours, at two
thirty am Eastern, to be specific, Chris Paul announced via
Instagram that the team told him to go home. You're
not welcome here anymore. And according to ESPN Shan Sharanya,
(09:40):
Chris Paul before he got sent home had not been
on speaking terms with head coach Tyleru for weeks because
Chris Paul and his quote unquote leadership style had been
clashy with everybody around. He's very vocal about holding management,
coaches and players accountable. You'll recall about a week ago
he put the literal definition for leeway on his Instagram story.
(10:04):
Very cryptic, long story short, Chris Paul is gone. He's
at home. According to the LA Times, very few teams
are intent, if any, in bringing him back. So this
farewell Tour not going the way we expected it would.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
This is a lesson, Kelvin for all people out there.
You gotta know where you fit in. Chris Paul still
thinks he's that dynamic guard from ten years ago. And
you know when everybody wanted his services and they're gonna
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win a championship and when they were up to all
against the Suns in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Oh, he's a top three point guard of remember all that.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Yeah, yeah, I hate to break it to you, Chris Paul,
you ain't that anymore. And when you're not good enough
as a player, an't be a jerk. That's what he was, Kelvin.
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I've been covering the league since nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
When I talk to a lot of people around the league,
this is his mo right, calling people out, rubbing people
the wrong way, telling players, I'll get you up out
of here, like he's a GM.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Just all that.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
It comes as no surprise when you're averaging two points
and you're not playing, nobody wants.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
You to be a squeaky wheel. It doesn't mean that
anything he said.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
I'm about the team and the players that they've been off.
They had an awful season. He's not the messenger. He's
not the guy to deliver that message. I don't care
about the career. How long you play. You're not playing
veteran who's still starting the starting point guard. You're not
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playing your averaging two points. Kelvin.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
You gotta know better. You have to. I bring up
this story all the time Fantasy Island.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
I'm not equating Chris Paul to Tattoo, but I'm just
trying to say Tattoo was on a very popular show,
Fantasy Island with Ricardo Montalbaum.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
He wanted Montalbaum money.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
He went to the producers at ABC and demanded Montalbaum money.
He's a little person with a couple of lines. The plane.
The plane is not gonna get you equal money. You're
not an equal star on the show. Did ABC Ben
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and producers Ben Kelvin?
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Did they Ben?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
No? No?
Speaker 7 (13:04):
What they do? They replaced them?
Speaker 6 (13:06):
They said, all right, cool, peace, peace, and the Clippers
did the same exact thing.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
He wasn't good enough anymore.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
You can't be not good or so so or bad
or whatever you want to say and think you have
the same clout as when you were a big time.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
Star in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I don't care about how long you played all that
other stuff. There's a way of going about it. There's
a way of being a player's coach, dealing with young
players passing along. Do you know what I mean? Not
to be a distraction. And that's why Chris Paul, his
farewell tour got detoured and the bus went off the cliff.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
That's what happened.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Chris Paul, rob has lived long enough. You know that
old phrase, they say, you either die hero, you live
long enough to see yourself become the villain. I feel
like Chris Paul the allegory of his NBA career. If
you look back, he was the babyface assassin when he
was with the Hornets and maybe making that team overachieve
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and battling against Kobe and the Lakers in playoff. You're like, man,
this kid is good and ends up becoming the elite.
Not only they call him a point guard, they called
the point god. And we thought of him as the
ultimate leader and he was gonna ultimately become a Laker.
David Stern says, no to that, and then he becomes
a Clipper in Live City, as you know you were
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here some of those years, becomes the sexy pick. They
were the eight team before the Warriors. People wanted to
you know, they're gonna win a championship. They were fun
to watch and it never manifested. But Chris Paul then
started to become It went bad with him and Blake Griffin.
You heard all those stories about them not getting along,
not getting along with this guy, him and DJ getting
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into it, and then you hear about him and Doc
getting into it. Then he goes to other teams and
the teams are good because he's a very good player,
one of the all time greats, and they always overachieved.
You kind of thought, oh, okay, the Rockets house is
going to work with him and Russell Westbrook. It worked,
he didn't get hurt. They might have went to the finals.
It worked with Oka.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
See.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
But all the other stuff we would hear how he
would just grind people's gears.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
He would wear on people. He can never change.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
He would never evolve his style as far as getting
a wrong with people. They you know, you hear stuff about
telling aw, don't do what the coach, they do this,
do that, and so it's remarkable to me that a
guy the first seven eight years of his career was beloved,
was one of the most entertaining, had all the commercials.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
He was Chris and Cliff Paul.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
He was the guy became kind of the grumpy old
man and.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Go on to teams and they're not liking them and
things aren't going good.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
It's just been remarkable to see that happen over the
years of his career.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
And you mentioned it. You can be on a team.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And be a guy that's not necessarily producing, but still
be a veteran presence and guys respect you and listen
to hard you doing that is it's okay to evolve.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
And it sounds like he never evolved.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I'll give you an example somebody who he was gonna
be paired with, which would have been insane as far
as the locker room.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
It was him and Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Kobe Bryant talks about he had to evolve as a
leader because the way his approach was the first seven, eight, nine,
ten years of his.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Career wasn't gonna get it.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know that if he was trying to win, he
had to find other ways to motivate, find other ways
he had. He talked about I gotta be in with guys.
He talked about, I had to have these personal relationships.
Guys are bringing in baggage, they were going through things
in life. I gotta tap in with the guy, not
just the player. And it seems like Chris never evolved
like he just the way he was. He's hey, we
runs hot, He's always, you know, on go, and that
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just seemed to rough guy, you know, tea guys around
way so much so that the organization that brought him
back to kind of be the staple. This is the
guy Rob who was supposed to get his the the
first jersey up in this in the rafters of the
end to a dome. This was the guy who's supposed
to be the first statue there right. This supposed to
be bring him back. He was the you know, at
our best years, he was our leader. And now it's
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looking like that might not happen. Now it's looking like
that relationship is fractured. And last thing I'll say is,
at the end of the day, Rob, the clippers gonna
clip the clippers. You had Chris, Paul Blake, Jamal Griffin,
DeAndre Jordan, all these great players for years, got nothing
for it. You get a new owner spending money. He's great,
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he's enthusiastic. You start doing nothing for it. You get
Kawhi Leonard I'm not coming unless you get Paul George.
You get Paul George, You got Kawhi, you got James Harden.
Over the years, you got a new State Arena, nothing
to show for it.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
For all of this.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
If I told you all the guys that you have,
Paul George, Kawhi, Chris, Paul Blaker, and DeAndre Jordan, Jamal Crawford,
who I'm missing, I say, James Hard I mean all
these guys, Russell Westbrook and at the end of that run,
you have one Western Conference final appearance.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
The Clippers gonna clip man.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
Yeah, but they did the right thing here though.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
You can't have somebody disrupting, even in a bad situation
that they're in. You can't disrespect your bosses, you can't
disrespect the front office. You can't disrespect the other.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
People you work with.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Dude, you should go go on Twitter and look at
all the ex players who play with him saying I
can't stand that guy, or.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
Just unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Go look, go look, let me ask you question. I
got one.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
This is the trail that that was left. But when
he was a star, it's harder to push back on,
you know that.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Especially because he was a point guard, so you viewed
it as you know, leader, he's got to be doing
some riot. He's a leader as a consummate leader, robb G.
I want to ask you this to both of you guys.
If I'm just talking playing on the court, he's still
one of my all time favorite point guards to watch
and also just period, like where he stands for me?
Do you believe what we've seen over the last ten years?
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People called him dirty player? You know you see him
punch guys, album guys in the you know whats you know,
just doing dirty plays, kind of becoming grumpy.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Do you think that has hurt his stature the player?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Like the actually like where the rankings and where you
know how people view because I feel like he went
for job said it top three four point guard.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Ever they're like, now, guys, I heard the other.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Day with a bunch of former players, They're like, yeah,
he's like, you know, top seven, eight, nah, maybe eight,
you know, top ten for sure? I'm like, wait a minute,
A decade ago, this dude was top three four, you know,
maybe five at the latest.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Do you think that's hurt him?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I don't. I think that when when you look at
his resume, it's up there with everybody not named Steph,
Magic and Isaiah like he.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Has I feel like like eleven time all NBA.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
He's been in the top ten in the MVP, like
seven times, like are you kidding me? Like Chris Paul
and you mentioned that he's rubbed people the wrong way
for a long time. Part of it was he kind
of had to be that kind of player to get
the most out of his abilities, because you know, he's
five to ten on a good day. It's like a
buck eighty, not super quick, not getting jump high, you know.
But he was crafty and he was a bulldog and
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did everything I do to win. And it's funny that
you mentioned these former players who say that they don't
think he's that great or that he rubbed them the
wrong way? What are they all having common? Everybody who
said that, none of them have wanted anything. So maybe
he was doing what he thought he could.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
I'm I'm gonna push, I'm gonna push back on that
because he didn't win anything either.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
He want more at every spot he went to than they,
but he didn't win.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Ultimately, Ultimately, everybody and you remember this, wanted to crown
them when they were up too old with the son.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
What if the Suns done since then? Rob No, I
I every team.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
That doesn't mean just because you don't win doesn't mean
you can't have criticism.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
I'm just saying I've heard it from too many people.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Oh yeah, but all the people you've heard it for
didn't win. Blake Griffin never want anything, never want anything,
want anything like you could go down the list.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
There were people, I'm going to tell you, I'm not
people who have won in this league told me that
a bad stuff that he's You say that on the
air of the time.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
No give me names, Brady Quinn, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Going to say who.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
What I'm saying is yes, and I could see how
we would rub people the wrong way because he is.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
All the time hot, all times that it would have
been the scariest teammates to be.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
They would everybody.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
He would not have been sent home off on this
if they hadn't you think that it just happened last week?
Speaker 4 (21:46):
But This is also organization that disrespected Blake Griffin his
way out the door.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
This is what he left.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
This is a team that is allegedly gave Kawhi Leonard
like thirty million dollars and then Mark Bills behind the
back of a toilet seat because they don't seem to
be doing things the right way.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
That what you're doing, though, is clouding what Chris Paul
did for them to be able to.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
Send and he won't be signed by anybody, nobody.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Because he's a forty year reat guard who can't move
any forget it.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
But after they but it could have been in a
nice send off, and he wruined.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It's crazy to think that we're here, we will got
back here.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
He got you say that Rob g who ruined it?
He ruled the Clippers did. The Clippers are five and
sixteen right now. They're cowtowing to Kawhi Leonard, James Harden
and Tylou. None of them have been a good leader
in any shape sense of the word. Kawhi is under
investigation alleged for keeping money. James, I'm not James Harden,
James Christ Paul off the hook? How am I many
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off in a bag?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Here's here's what I think. Here's why I think, Here's why.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I think the two things Chris Paul's demeanor, Chris Paul's
aptitude to want to compete, Chris Paul's making every organization
better on the on the court, I think he came
there and saw how they've been running and who they've
and signing, and I think as opposed to just fitting
in on my last little hourah, I think he came
in there and disrupted, you know, like, hey.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
This is how y'all do it? This, Why y'all signed?
Why would y'll put this guy with us?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
And I think they didn't like that, and I think
they're like, man, you can't come in here. We brought
you in here for the ceremonial, ride this thing out
with us. And I think he came in there, you know,
high strong on this is how you win, you do
it this way. And they didn't like that, and like,
what is he? What is he won every team he
goes to, he's what is he won?
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Kel absolute question? He what did he win?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
He hasn't won?
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Okay, he didn't win anything. He just like the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
He didn't win and the Clippers didn't win.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
What did what did he win?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
He did win finals? Did he win the championship? That's okay,
absolutely not. And that's a part of him trying.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
To crown him like he's coming in he's Michael Jordan.
He's telling you how I'm gonna win title.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Averaging two points.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
You're forty one years old. Stop it, you're not far.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I disagree with that part. I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I think you can be a Juwan Howard Jared Dudley
guy on a team who ain't averaging nothing and be
a great leader. I'm agreeing that his approach probably was wrong,
but I think his approach was wrong, probably as.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Probably or definitely probably.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Let me take I'm sure Chris Paul, Chris Paul and
Tyron Lou didn't like it. Don't come in here telling
me how to run it. I'd have been running this
team with an injured Kawhi injured James.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
What's the difference between Chris Paul and Tyron Lou? What's
the difference?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Got ring?
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Okay, there you go. He's a championship coach.
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Speaker 4 (24:52):
Deianni's actually played tonight for a few minutes, that is,
because he left the game early with what they're calling
a calf injury. If you watch the video, non contact,
He's going to the rim passing the ball, comes around
the other side, immediately goes down. Hopefully it's nothing more
than a calf strain, but that could complicate his murky
future with the Bucks because you mentioned it. According to ESPN,
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he and his representatives we'll be talking to the Bucks
front office here in a couple of weeks to discuss
his future with the franchise. All signs pointing to you, however,
him finally after months and years of speculation, demanding a
trade out of town.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, I mean I thought we would be here.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Rob and I, you know, we talked about it, Rob,
you know, over the offseason, just because the report started
to come out.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
What would happen? What do you do?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And I thought this was gonna happen because I thought
you could see he's starting to put pressure on the team.
He started to be vocal about things, and to something
you always bring up, he kind of felt like he
wasn't that guy. He cent of felt like, you know,
he was one of those guys who kind of just
gonna ride this thing out. But over the last two
three years, he's been making he's been louder, right, he's
been a little grumpier. He's been a little bit more
what are we doing? Where are we going? Which he's
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earned that right too.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
The last year they had a chance to do that
and he didn't and he said he didn't ask for
a trade.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Right, No, but he's but he has been hit him.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
He's been vocal about where are we going, what's the
direction I want to win?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Multiple this isn't good.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
I mean when he asked for Damian Lillard, Like when
he asked and they traded away everything for Damian Lillard.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, So I'm saying he's become.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
To understand this at all. To me, I just don't
understand what point of I don't understand, like, like they've
made moves, they've done everything that you could ask him.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I'm with you.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
So the Milwaukee it's Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
That's what I left going.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
To Miami five years ago. He didn't want to go.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
But I'm saying, I'm saying, to your point, one of
the things that we've said and we all I think
most people would agree.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Is the Leastern Conference.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
It's been twenty twenty five years, however, long of the
Eastern Conference being the least between that and the way,
you know, the lesser conference between the two. And to me,
as good as Giannis is, two time MVP, Defensive Player
of the Year, Rookie of the Year, all NBA a
million times, I mean he has been He's been that guy.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
He is first ballot Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
When I look back, and we talked about this a
bit before, Rob, I will say, especially post championship, it
has been strange for me and a bit disappointing to
me that Giannis hasn't gotten back and just dominated the East.
I'm not saying he had to win three, four, five rings,
that's very difficult. And his team, you know, he had
to have the Warriors with Katie and stuff. But the
idea that he doesn't make it back, the ideaity he's
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not regularly in the Eastern Conference finals are regularly in
the you know, have been to the finals multiple times,
has been a little underwhelming for how good, how great,
how talented he is I expected once.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
You know, on the talented teams in the East, and
there's not really as good.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
As he is. There's not.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
That's literally why we call it the least. There's top
there's one or two. But your kid.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Miami's been to the finals a couple of times. It
doesn't act nothing about those Miamis have made a run.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
It's not and not a single time you made me
look at Yanna's where we think he is.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
He should not look at that as well. I can't
get past.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
So how come Lebron didn't go to the finals every
year in the West with when he showed up in
the I mean there were years theydn't even make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
No, right, we're talking about the East. I literally that's
why I'm just talking the easiest conference.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
I don't specific I don't think it's that he hasn't
dominated out to be. I don't think that Gianna should
be in the finals every year.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
I think that's a pipe dream. I just don't believe that.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Yannas, how about christ Fiddleton and the other players are there,
But I still don't think he has to go to
the finals every year.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
What I'm saying is there's no way Rob that he
is thirty thirty one years old putting up these numbers
still in his prime, and his team is what are
they nine and thirteen or something, And the fact that
he's that three first round exits he's got gotten past
the Simmis, that is underwhelming for this guy and how
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great he is. If I just blindly told you this
guy's resume and that he's thirty thirty one years old,
still in.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
I would tell you blindly that he won a championship
in Milwaukee, Wisconsin that hadn't won a championship since Kareem
Abdul Jabbar was lu Al Sinda.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
I mean, like, what.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Do he just stop?
Speaker 6 (29:18):
No, that doesn't mean to stop. He tells me something.
I just know what you but your idea, I just
think you have an unrealistic idea. I'm gonna be honest
that you think everybody like you have to go to
the finals or the championship every year, or the idea
that Giannis can't get beat or he hasn't played there
was a time when they lost to Miami where he
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didn't play as well as he had played and miss
free throws or whatever.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
He won a championship there.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I don't know what you.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
I don't even know who you are to win fortune.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
You're throwing crazy bell.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
You throwing some bell that I ain't never seen you
a bell bondsman right now, as great as he is,
as dominant as he is in a that does.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Not play to a great and dominant and they didn't win.
They didn't win one.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I said, you can't even regularly when he's conference finals.
The fact that these first round exists, if this were
anyone of that statue where what we're saying is they
will be getting ridiculed. There will be concerns. We're not
saying he's not any extenuating circumstances. Are there any extenuating circumstances?
Speaker 7 (30:23):
No, I gave you as.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You if I'm the bucks, I'm answering if I if
I gave you you know what, You're right and you're honest.
We do need a tweak. Let's go get you. Dang
You and Dave don't work out. I got Brook Lopez,
Bobby Portis, Drew Holiday and Chris Middleton and all these
guys that only worked the one time.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Doesn't work like and you're so good, you're at least
I believe.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I think we've all been led to believe that you
also are capable of dragging a team, and there are
certain people when you're at that level that is expected
Luca Dodgers in the expectation that if Luca again doesn't
drag some teams in some Western Conference finals and finals,
we're gonna be upset yo Kic. He's that good, that
dominant that if Yokis doesn't drive. I'm not saying these
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guys gonna have three, four or five rings, but I'm
saying the winning and getting deeper playoff runs, I think
that should be that's warranted. I think that that is
not without mary for how great they are. To ask
Jannis to dominate the East for a decade, What's I
think that's a fair point.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Hey, Yannis, just not saying you gotta.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Win five, go to the finals a couple of times,
win a couple of Eastern Conference finals, get to them.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
That's all I'm saying. It is he's left me on
the bone palls.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
He's left to be desired to me for how great
he is in a conference. Again, that's what rob we
came into this season is wide open?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Is it the Knicks? Is it the Pistons? Is like
who can win it?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
And they're underachieving when this should have been a year
he easily is dominant.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
I think I think you're you're you're missing the elephant
in the room, and you're not being honest. They choked
down that series Doc Rivers is again. They highed him.
Jannis wanted the coach they had before him, didn't even
give him a chance, wanted him out. Jannis was the
one that signed off. I guess on Doc Rivers right,
they've choked Where.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Did I get it wrong? That sound like my point
with y honest?
Speaker 6 (32:17):
No, No, your point is my only point is I
just think that your expectations for him.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Are through the roof.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
That you really believe that he should be in the
West Eastern Conference finals.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Every year for ten years. I just don't see that.
I think there are other players and other teams. I don't.
I just don't.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
I don't see anybody doing that. But you think Jannis
has been wasted. I don't think Jannis has been wasted
in Milwaukee at all. The idea that Yannis won a
championship in Milwaukee is mind blowing to me. Is way
ten times more than I could have ever imagined Yannis
winning a championship in Milwaukee Okay, so your expectations in
(32:58):
mine are different. You expect him to dominate him and
win and go to the finals four or five times.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I just don't see that.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
I'm shocking that he went on the title shy.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I'm saying a couple of final appears some Eastern Conference
mixed in there, just where you're a very competitive team.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
The idea that Giannis at the two KUPO MVP candidate
two time winner, one, two or three every year in
the voting, regularly is out in the first round, we
would blast so many other people that talented, of that
elk that awarded that uh you know, herald it. We
would blast anyone else if they're regularly out in the
first round or barely get into the simmis, we would
(33:36):
be like, what is going on there?
Speaker 6 (33:38):
And that's my They got to win five in Cache
that other people don't have, and that's that he won
a championship.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
And there have been other extenuating circumstances.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
You didn't You didn't bring up Damien and Lillard and
him didn't really go together. It didn't work out. Talk
about when you know it did it didn't work out.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
That's why I.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Said, figure it out, it out then.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Yeah, but they tried and it went out, and you
and everybody else when they went and god, Damnian.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Lillard said, oh god, oh that's gonna be perfect.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
This is great.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Look at it. Look at this, Matt, this is gonna
work out perfect. Those guys go.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
For Gianni and Damian Lillard not working. I'm getting the
blade you.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Lucky here, but you're making it.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
No.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
But I just think your expectations are unrealistic.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
That that's what I mean for expecting a dude of this,
this dominance to get past the first round.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
You expected Luca, Luca and Lebron to get to the
Western Conference finals right last year.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I didn't expect them.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I thought they could and I expect Luke what happened
to I expect Luca his tenure with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
If Luca doesn't get to the Western Conference Finals again
this year coming up, then what what is that for him?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I'm just I'm saying this is his run. No, I'm
not run.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
You what should he get to the fire Western Conference
finals the next fantasy?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
It is possible for them. I don't like Houston. You
know you already told you.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I like Houston and like Okay, see, and then you
got Denver. What I'm saying is, if Lucas is here
five six years in LA and he don't go to
two three Western Guns finals or get a.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Ring, that's underwhelming. Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
If Joker don't get back to the finals as great
as he is, that's underwhelming. If Joker doesn't regularly you'll
get to the Western Covers finals two three more times. Yes,
these guys are that elite, and I guarantee you they
hold themselves to that expectation.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
I think you're I just think your expectations are really
high because we talk about how hard it.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
Is to win.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
So many things have to go your way. It's just
not as easy as you think. And I and I
don't care how talented that you are. You just talked
about you guys went bent over backwards for Chris Paul
and that's great.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
He's a top two.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Do you think you have him as a top four
or five guard right point guard? Yeah, he's been on
a ton of teams. He got to the finals one time.
It's harder than you think. And I don't care how
talented you are. It's harder than you think.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
And not most.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Guys, even Lebron, when you think about, yeah, he's been
there ten times, he's been playing the league twenty what
four years, he got four championships.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
That's wow. Four He's got four championships.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Twenty four years.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
To be getting out in the first round in a
conference that's not even that hard period period
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