December 24, 2025 • 37 mins
Rob Parker and Martin Weiss are hanging out on Christmas Eve, reacting to a columnist in Baltimore calling out Lamar Jackson’s off-the-field work ethic. The guys hand out Christmas Eve forgiveness to all the Caleb Williams haters out there. And they preview the Christmas Day games in the NFL but debate whether or not they’re worth watching.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
This happening is going on in Baltimore, Lee, and we
should say somehow someway with the awful season the Ravens
have had, they're not out of it. If the Steelers
would have lose their last two games and the Ravens
would have win their last two games, they could actually
win the division.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So it's not out of reach.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
But there's a columnist down in Baltimore not too happy
with one, mister Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
That's right, Rob.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, somebody in Baltimore is gonna get cold in their
stocking this evening. And that is whether it is Lamar
Jackson or Baltimore Sons. Mike Preston, who wrote a column
titled Ravens Lamar Jackson are at a Crossroads. In this column,
Preston claims that the star quarterbacks off field habits, specifically
alluding to him playing video games late at night and
falling asleep in team meetings is rubbing the team the
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wrong way. But he also accuses the Ravens of accommodating
the twenty eight year old's behavior, including holding practices later
in the afternoon opposed to the morning, which most teams do.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
All right, I'm gonna say this, Martin Lamar is not
without blame. Okay, it's been a.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Bad year, we get it. This isn't what we're.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Used to this guy, right, a ton of injury, but
this guy's usually in the mix for MVP. He's that
kind of play. Last year, I think he got robbed.
He didn't win the MVP. He was the first team
All Pro quarterback, but he didn't the first team you know,
all NFL. But he didn't get the MVP, which just
normally doesn't happen. But in this case, and I'm not
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saying that Lamar is without blame because there's plenty of
blame to go around for this ridiculous Baltimore Ravens team.
First of all, they have six Pro Bowlers, right, but
like that ties the amount for all the teams, Like
three or four teams have six guys, like that's the
best you can do. So they actually have talent. We've
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seen this team. Lamar started the first three or four
games like as well as you can play at the
quarterback position. They went up to Buffalo, scored forty points
and lost. Derek Henry's fumbling Zay Flowers who made the
Pro Bowl, who had three two.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Touchdowns and three fumbles. He made the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I mean, like, like seriously, and he's always fumbling.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
The Pro Bowl is voting needs to be addressed.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I'll just say it's ridiculous, but I just want to
want to get this right. I'm sorry the I appreciate
a local columnist going after the big dog and writing
those kinds of columns. That's what I did when I
was a columnist in Detroit and New York and whatnot.
So I get that, and I appreciate that because most
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local guys are homers and they don't want to, you know,
ruffle of feathers of the big guys that they need
to talk to. But in this case, if you're not
writing about John Harbaugh and what has happened to the Ravens,
blowing leads, go look they've lost twelve double digit leads
in the last few years under John Harball. I know
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he won a Super Bowl. It's a long time ago.
They got way too much talents. We just talked about it.
Six Pro bowlers, They got an MVP type quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
They got everything you need.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Go back and look at most predictions about who's coming
out of the AFC, and I say eighty percent had
the Ravens because they looked at the roster, looked at
the team. They said my betting favorite at the start
of the season.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
There you go, like before before Thursday night kickoff, they
were the favorite in the AFC to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And here we are, and now we're gonna pile on
Lamar John Harballs.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
She gets the blame. And here's the last thing.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
How many games and situations And I'm not making an excuse.
I talked about the Derek Henry fumbles. How many balls
are dropped touchdowns? Like unbelievable. Did you see?
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Who else was?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Jay Flowers had one in the last game. Mark Andrews
had another fumble. You remember two years ago last year
against Buffalo the two point conversion of tier game. Remember
that drop. I could go on and on and on
about these games. In the AFC Championship game against the Chiefs,
Jay Flowers fumbles at the one yard line going into
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the into the Enzo change the whole game. They lost
that game by five. Right, Well, there's been a lot
of stuff going on. But if I'm going to point
a finger at anybody, Martin.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's going to be John Harbaugh. He should be fired
after the season.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I'm also pointing the finger at John Harbaugh. And to
your point, you and I have you. Obviously, Peg did
a lot more ink spilling than I did, but we
both went to Jay School and have a concept of
how local versus national media works.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And that's a big difference.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
This article is getting written because somebody, somebody is comfortable
enough to say something is going to be there is
a grand canyon crack here that will not be filled
right no matter how. You don't go scorched earth in
this way unless you know that you're saying, you gotta
have a good plug in.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And to me, I'm not about to try to guess
the source.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
But one of the things that's interesting about Lamar Jackson,
if you follow his career, he doesn't have an agent
at this point I don't think I'm telling secrets. When
you find out that your national guys that are doing
the reporting, you're Adam sefterz or Ian rap Reports, you
name them. Those are just two of the more prominent.
They're reporting with agents, are telling.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Them they're in bed with agents.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
And that doesn't mean what the agent is telling them
is false, right, But they're reporting, are telling them they
are not in the locker room every day.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
They're not in the locker room.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's not the way of breaking stories in the old days,
where you had to really be around and you had
to dig and talk to people.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
A lot of stuff has sped to them.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Mike Preston has been covering the Baltimore Ravens is nineteen
eighty three. I was born in nineteen eighty nine, right,
So he's had this job long than I've had my life, right,
So I'm telling me he knows everyone in the building, right,
especially when you consider that John Harball has been there
for almost twenty years himself, So that's almost twenty years
of a working relationship between that him, those two specifically,
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writing this to me is the writing on them, because
you nailed it on the head. The Lamar's injuries have
masked the fact that the Ravens have underachieved year after.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Year, year after year.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Year.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You say the first year thing, that always disappointing. But
here's the thing. When Lamar got.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Hurt this year, right, and he got hurt early in
the season, they had already dropped to your point, that
Buffalo game where they scored forty points in regulation on
the already dropped that With a healthy Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Lamar gets hurt, the team falls off a cliff, the
team craters.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
The only person who's responsible for that is the head coach.
And then later on down the line, as he's coming back, said,
do you know what, John Harbor, what's gonna change after
the buye?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Well, after the buy we're gonna get a quarterback back. Well,
guess what quarterback didn't come back.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
He there's a level of disconnect between the two of them,
even so much, the most recent example being this week,
Lamar Jackson in his postgame press conference said, I had
a tour doll shot on my back and was unable
to finish the game because I was hurt. Right, You're
not getting a painkiller for fun, right, You getting a painkiller?
Tried to get out there and play. John Harbaugh said, well,
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you know, we were really sure what was.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Happening with the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Like, even if you weren't sure, you cover for the guy.
If that's your guy, right, even if you're not sure,
I'm telling you it is. Andy Reid is not about
to go out and say, well, I don't know what
Patrick was doing. He's gonna say we all have to
get better, we all have.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
To work on it.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Sean McDermott is not gonna go and say that, you know,
you know what Josh Allen really needs to do, He
really needs.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
To exhibit more leadership. Right, No, we're all in this together.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
This is a guy This is a savior desk type
of move out of the Baltiono Ravens organization.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
But it feels like it there's a split coming. And
guess what. Lamar has got a longer contract than you
do Power right.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And I'm sorry it's hard to you're moving Lamar and
staying with John Harper.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That's your choice.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I don't know how that could be the choice when
you've underachieved every year, the Ravens lose and you feel
like a right, a wasted opportunity.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
They got six Pro Bowlers and they're under five hundred.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Right, that tells you all you need to know. That
tells you how much talent this team has. And Derrick
Henry has turned into a fumble machine, my goodness, gracious.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
But even still, no, I'm with all of that. I'll
give that first game.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I I'm just he was never a fumble guy.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I just guys get older, especially a running back. You know,
it's kind of I don't want to say he's falling
off a cliff, because you see, he still has got it,
but he's lost a step in his game.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
But even with all of that, you have an MVP
level quarterback.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
You're not accepting that type of reasoning in Buffalo or
in Kansas City right when, because you have that type
of quarterback and that type of roster and infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think that's the difference in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
All right, eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox we
are love here on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
We love that.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Thank you, Bill. Who's the blame? What is it? Mike Preston?
I'm sorry, Mike Preston.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Right down in Baltimore, he's saying, Lamar, he's.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Sleeping at meetings.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
They don't want to have practice Earl, Like all this
stuff's been going on when Lamar was winning the MVPs.
But now you know it's a problem because they're and
they're not even eliminated from the playoffs, which is another
thing that's weird.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
You know, just quickly to this is why I find
Remember when Kamar came back and the report was they
took all the video games out of the locker room.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Because Lamar said it. So which one is it? Right?
Is he twenty two? Like maybe they should have put
kept him in the locker room and he'd be going
to sleep early.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
But this might be like you remember Terry Francona with
the Red Sox, the biscuits and fried chicken and beer
that they were, you know, in a clubhouse, right like
it became like a country club.
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the best Christmas if you ever got We'll talk about that, Martin,
think about that, and we appreciate you being here on
this Christmas Eve where live.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
We'll be here tomorrow.
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Alex and I usually always here for the holidays, and
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Speaker 3 (12:21):
We wish them, well, what do you call them quitters?
At least for today. It's all good. It's all you can.
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Cover for them, not like three hours is a hard life.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
You know what this is? What's that? This is?
Speaker 5 (12:34):
This is eight years of him covering just like John
Harbaugh lamar Ja accident.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Now is a grand canyon sized gap. It is what
it is. Only I only worry about the people who
are here. I really do. I do, And it's a holiday.
They they've worked, they have the right to take off.
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That's all we do and we appreciate it. Appreciate everyone. Martin.
There's been a lot of talk about Caleb Williams. We're
gonna get to.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
That that game Saturday against the Packers.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I don't care what kind of a sports fan you are.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You don't have to have any horse in the race,
dog in the show pony nothing. Okay, if you didn't
get chills at that play, that throw game winner, over time,
the catch, the reaction to the fans that sold your.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Field, the videos of people.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
You know, everybody puts a camera on them now while
they're watching the game to see the ending and how.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
They respond to react.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And I don't know if it's different because you know
you have a camera on you, you know what I mean.
You sauce it up a little bit, Martin. But it
was incredible. It was incredible, and the Bears have been
what a great story and the development of Caleb Williams.
But a lot of people have been Caleb william bashers,
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like this year, even when they were winning. Oh, they
haven't beat anybody all they have done this. Then they
beat Philadelphia and Philadelphia and all these they keep checking
these boxes. They can't beat the Packers. Aaron Rodgers, remember
what he said, he owned the Bears, right, he owned
the Bears. And then they beat the Packers in the
game they were down by ten with twoh four to
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go or whatever it was before they came back tied
the game of regulation and winning an overtime. Just your
thoughts on where you are from the beginning with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I'd say it like, I think that was my quarterback.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I mean, it's not a controversial thing to say that
that's the guy who I thought was going to be
the best quarterback in his class, and still honestly think
it's going to be the best quarterback in this class.
I know that we've had our flirtations with Jaydon Daniels
as his great rookie year.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
It's not shocked that he took a step back.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And I'm not saying with the injury, I'm not it's
just because he Jason I saw that as well.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
You know, everybody crown c J. Stroud after the first year,
and so you know you saw that.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
You know, to the point you saw the hail mary
by Jayden Daniels to McLaurin against against the Bears that
kind of like set their seasons on different trajectories.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
If you remember if you watched that game, and I
know you did, uh they.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Caleb had watched a team down to score the touchdown
to put them ahead, right and then all of a
sudden that turned everything around with the hail mary got
the dB talking to the fans in the stands while
the plays going on just just a crazy moment.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
You have that moment last year, you have the Lions
game where Lomas Brown, your friend's friend of the show
is literally all the Lions radio broadcasts say what are
the Bears doing? This coach is trying to get fired right?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And then you know you had several different things, and
that you mean this year when they lost. No, I'm talking.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
About Caleb's rookie year, because Matt, that's how bad it was,
the opposing radio broadcasters saying trying to get fired right Caleb,
after that whole time period, He's not throwing anybody under
the bus. He's doing everything at the podium how you
would want your franchise quarterback to say it. It showed a
lot to me, a guy who at the time I
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had no real concerns Caleb about his play coming out
of college.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
It was more is he gonna climb in the stands?
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Like?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Is he gonna like?
Speaker 5 (16:26):
That?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Was what we were like. Most people had at least as.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
A second line of concern about Caleb Williams, right, is
he too effeminate?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Is he gonna paint his nails? A guy's gonna adjust
to that. Well. Year one showed me, he's gonna be
wearing bell bottom.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Well, year one showed me he'll be just fine dealing
with that, and it was an immense dysfunction around him.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Comes out afterwards and says, after the season, said, I
was trying to watch tape and I had trouble help
somebody I needed.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
I wanted help watching tape and I had trouble finding
someone to do that for me. That's insanity, right. And
then to me, when you see the Ben Johnson influence
from and I wasn't sure that Ben Johnson was going
to be a good coach or not, right, I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I don't think it was automatic.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
It's automatic a lot of people to say everybody's gonna
be a good coach. Mike mc daniel was supposed to
reinvent football, right, and then he goes to you know
how so Ben Johnson gets to Chicago, though, and to me,
you see the growth in Caleb Williams, and you see
the growth in the team in a way that Caleb
Williams was never the I should say never, but he
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was not the reason why his rookie year the Bears
were losing games, right, And you see right here right now,
he's not the read though games that the Bears have lost.
Even with this complete percentage, he's playing well enough, as
you see, to put them in positions to win and
has the ability to make those high level extra leverage.
The type of players you see Mahomes, Josh Allen Lamar
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at his height when things are going well, like that
play against the Packers.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
That is something that like one of one type of
guys do right there.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I agree if you think everybody he's making those throws
and winning those games in the fourth quarter. He tied
Peyton Manning, one of the all time great quarterbacks, for
six fourth quarter comebacks.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Like it's not like everybody's doing this.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
He has touchdown the interception ratio, I think a thousand
minimum passes, he's second.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
To Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Like you know, career wise, like like you start to
dig in some of these numbers.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
And there's some part of it, like you almost not
wish you would throw more interceptions, but in his rookie year,
there's some you kind of wish you would push the
ball a little more. It's like, hey, I see you
got to see a wide open and throw it, and
you know, obviously that's not how it's always going to work.
Sometimes you got to fit the ball into a tight window.
But this is the thing I say, he's got all
the ability to do that. The question with Caleb Williams
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after rookie year was is he gonna be able to
do quote unquote the easy things, the layups and be
content with that. Every week I see a different quarterback
who was seeming more and more and more content with
turning around and handing the ball off, throwing the ball away,
checking the ball down, the things that keep you on
the field and the keys that keep your drives alive
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to then be able to hit that big explosive place
when when it comes exactly that's and that's the funny
thing about the last the Bears game less without the
on side kick recovery. We don't see any of that
stuff happen. The on side kick was, but the onside
kick was the most unlikely to happen.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Yeah, But that right, I hear that Caleb Williams to
come back in the late fourth quarter overtime game and
think ding ding ding ding and hit a big.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Throw and hit a big play and win the game.
That wasn't making a couple of big runs. Right now,
it wasn't surprising to me.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
The least likely thing that happened was the onside kick,
and the most surprising thing to happen in that game
to me was the onside kick. Well, here's the other part.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
There are a lot of people over time were bashed Caleb,
we talked about it.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
First, let's hear from Caleb.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
And then Dan Kelly is a former scout who's out
there who this was it earlier this season, right Lee
earlier this season said he was a busted. Earlier this season,
this guy said that he was dead, Kelly said, Daniel
Kelly said he was a bust.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But first, this is Caleb.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
First, you know, I wasn't the biggest, It wasn't the strongest,
it wasn't the tallest, fastest, whatever the case may be.
You know, I get I get drafted here. You know,
told that I'm not a special player, told that I'm
not uh you know, a good fit here, told that
you know, coach and I won't work. I've told you know,
I can't win here, and so you know, uh, I
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know that's going to keep going on. But you know,
I do take a little satisfaction and and things like that,
and you know, being able to help this team, help
this organization, be a part of it, you know, to
get to the playoffs. And you know, my goal isn't
to just get to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
My goal is to win and win and win big.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I mean, you couldn't ask for a better said rebuttal
to all the stuff that he's gone through and all
the people who have doubted him and talk about it.
John Middlecoff is a scout two former scout rights and
and I saw one of his podcasts earlier this year
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and basically he said Caleb hadn't improved the Bears offense.
Can't be fixed with Caleb, you know, like just I
would say, wrote him off. And I'll give John Middlecoff
credit because he said he's wrong, Like you know, he
he said he's wrong, that he that he missed this,
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that he did not see this part.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Earlier in the season, and bla blah blah blah whatever
it is.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And Daniel Kelly, I got into it with him, and
I guess this was last year? Is that when that was?
That was let's just hear a little bit.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Daniel Kelly has been one of the biggest critics of
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
And I'm still in the same spot with Caleb Williams.
I was pre draft. You know, I had a fourth
wrong grade going into the the draft process. Label them
as a is a shuretfire one hundred percent bust if
he won the first round.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I haven't moved off that here.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You're still you're still gonna hold on to a one
hundred percent bust.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Come on, now, wait a minute, I just can't.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I need you, Daniel, to own up that you got
this one wrong, okay, because he's not a one hundred
one hundred percent bust.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Really, have you seen him a one hundred percent bust?
Speaker 6 (22:28):
I've seen him.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I've seen him.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I've seen him, and you still think he's a one
hundred percent bust.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Yes, I've seen him have success against two of the
worst teams in the NFL, against the Carolina Panthers and
Jacksonville Jaguars, who were both one win teams the time
they played him. I saw him with all the short
thinking Doug passes of everybody, the seventy three percent against
the Rams within that game.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Who are you supposed to play? Who are you supposed
to play against? Did you when you look at Tom
Brady in the NF in the AFC least, and he
beat up on the Jets and the Bills and the
Miami Dolphins for fifteen years. Did you downgrade him because
he played terrible cop, bad competition or not?
Speaker 6 (23:08):
I wouldn't evaluate him in all fairs.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
All right, there you go. That was me and Daniel
Kelly the Scout. But I do want to hear from
the doubters. This is your night to come clean. If
you doubted Caleb, if you had a problem with his
bell bottoms and the fingerpot and nail polish or whatever
you whatever it is, can you really take a look
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and be honest now and say this guy is something special.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I'm serious. Here's your opportunity.
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Speaker 5 (24:02):
It's like it's an airing of forgiveness, exagreelances forgiveness.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
We will forgive you. You call in and let us
know you were wrong.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
You know I was wrong, Alex, You already know I
didn't just get on the Caleb bandwagon after that great
throw on Saturday Night.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
You didn't. You want to know why, why Alex? Because
you made a catch a jingle like this, and then
I saw his toss. I'm a believer and not a
trace of doubt in my mind. I'm in love with Caleb.
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Speaker 2 (24:57):
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Speaker 1 (25:09):
Lee Tomorrow is a big everybody's home everybody after they
open up the Presence and all the other stuff that
goes on Christmas morning and breakfast and cool because today
feels like already the weekend, a Saturday or whatever. Right,
but it's only Wednesday, and tomorrow be Thursday, and people
have a great time. But there's a lot of sports on.
The NFL's taking over Christmas Day.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Used to be the NBA.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
They got like five games on right, and the NFL
has three games on Lee. And I'm gonna tell you
not three great games.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
No, the spreads would tell you that too, Rob because yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
First we're kicking off and I hope you have your
Netflix subscriptions ready for Christmas morning because it's first two
games are going to be on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
That's right, Netflix, I forgot about.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
This, right, Cowboys are going to be at the Commanders
and Dallas is an eight and a half point favorite
in that game. And then we got the afternoon game
Netflix as well, Lions at the Vikings, who are of
course got brosmer in for JJ McCarthy with the hairline
fracturer in his hand. And then we go on to
from Netflix to Amazon Prime Video for the late game
between the Broncos and the Chiefs, where Denver is a
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thirteen and a half point favorite.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
And can I say that is Martin? Uh huh? Not interested?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I will not n OTV watching NFL football on Christmas.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
What I find hilarious is that the running joke is normally,
oh it's Netflix time when the game sucks, right, or
it's like p has five times, it's like, well, they'll
already be on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Is this gonna be the thing that moves people to
cable right cause you can't. You can't go to Netflix
to run from it. Yeah, I run from it on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I'm gonna have to go to me TV or something
and use the antenna off try to find something else,
some marathon or something, or some Christmas movies that are on.
I'm sorry, and Lee, you just talked about it. The
spreads tell you all you need to know, like like
these are not supposed to be competitive, bad matchups. I'm
sure when they thought about it that the implications would
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have been great.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
You know the Lions Vikings. You know, that was a big.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Game last year, the last game of the year that
decided the division. So that's always something. But the Vikings
aren't there. And if the Packers win on Saturday, right,
what am I thinking?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Uh so the lines play tomorrow. But if the Packers
win a Saturday, the Lions are done, right.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
They gotta win two games and the Packers have to lose.
It's a lot of lines to make it as well.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
The Lens went out and the Packers lose a game,
I think they're in no, no.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
No, they got to lose two games.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
The Packers got to lose both games because remember there's
a tie there.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
They have one less loss than the Lions. Either way,
you know.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
What I mean, It's two and two. The only way
the Packers don't make the playoffs. They got to lose
both and the Lions have.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
To win both. That's the only way. So are you
into it? Are you gonna be watching what? I'm in
the football? But I'm in all but not good bad football.
I think I'm in a football. To me, watching a
game is like buying a ticket to a movie.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Like if you're into movies, you have no promise that
this movie you're walking into going to be good.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
So you never flip away from a blowout or a
terrible game, a loop side of game.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
You're talking to the wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Okay, I'm asking Kay, I'll say this Lee wear you
real quick. Did you turn off a bad game like
a blop side of game?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I don't. It depends how long into the game, and if.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It's not not your team, not like say it's not
the Packers, You're not going to turn off.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
A Packers now that stays on all day, all day.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
But I'm saying, like, this is a game that you're
watching like the Cowboys and the Commanders. If it's forty
one to nothing in the second quarter, I'm you're sticking around.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I'll leave it on the TV. But I'll walk away.
I'll go I'll go do something in the kitchen. I'll
go hang out that socialized do something with somebody else.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
I'm not exactly clocking every single play like I would
have in that ram Seahawks game from a couple of
weeks ago, like where it comes down to the final possession,
it's all well and great.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
This my problem. I think the NFL when.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
I was growing up, like Sunday at one o'clock was
almost like an extension of church, right, like everybody went
to church in the morning, and this Sunday at one
o'clock or noon, because I lived in several time zone
was now another like religious gathering.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Because I grew up watching the Saints and that team
was terrible.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
They always played at noon, ain't They always played at noon?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
It was never a Monday night at there. You know
none of that.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
And I think that one of the things that the NFL,
one of the things that makes the NFL special is
that ritualistic nature of my team is more than likely
going to play Sunday at one o'clock, and you build
it into your schedule and build it into your routine,
and it's.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
The only sport. That's like that.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
The more they put these games on standalone windows, they
try to make a new primetime window in the morning
by playing a game in London, in Spain or Germany.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Whatever. All you're doing that is make it to the
West coast doesn't watch right, like they don't care. But
like to me, you want to have Thursday night football? Cool?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Have one team played Thursday, because this is what happens
in the NFL and the college football Playoff is finding
the same problem. When you have all the games happen
Sunday at one o'clock, we see two or three great.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Endings and you'll sit there and be like, this is
a great day of football. Right, But you know what,
you didn't.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
See thirty eight to six Jaguars over Chargers, Right, you
didn't see that because it was a standalone It's very
much like the same thing as the first week in
the March madness. There's only like six good games they
have to play sixty eight to get to it.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Do you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
There's only like three four good games on a Sunday,
they have to play like twelve to get to it.
You're eliminating that opportunity by having three games tomorrow and
the benefit, the juice is not worth the squeeze because,
like you said, every every when you're sitting there with
grandma and your girlfriend and mom, they gonna be.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Like, oh, where's where if that point I was in
the Super Bowl? Oh he tore his acl. Patrick Mahomes
is out. Oh where's this back? Oh he's out too. Oh.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
You know, all the players with any name recognition for
your average you know person who is dipping in on holidays.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Like this, they're gone. So the whole juice of all
of it is so it's not even worth it. But
to me, and this is the guy who would not work.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
When I was in high school, I wouldn't work on
Sundays during football season. I was a shoe salesman. I
went to my boss at a sixteen.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Year old No.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Lie Shelley Zimmerman at stride right at the Queens Center Mall. Shelley,
I don't work on Sundays from September to December. Like
you know, you work at a mall, you gotta work weekends.
I work any other days for you, Sundays during the
summer whatever it is. Football season though my mom used
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to let me leave church early, Martin, even though we
were within walking distance of the church so that I
could see the kickoff. I didn't want to come in
in the first quarter eight minutes in. I want to
watch the game from kickoff, the entire game. I look
over at her as ten minutes to one to give
me the high sign. You know what I mean, you
could bounce.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I'm out.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I'm walking home by myself because I want to go
see the football game. But as I get older, and
even as a football guy who does this for a
living and I enjoy football blowouts, games that don't matter,
I'm just I'm not a fantasy guy. And I get
people who watch fantasy, they watch that, but these games
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are unappealing to me. They just are You just said it.
The Chiefs, No Patrick, no Rice that is not playing.
I don't know who else is missing. Gardner Minshew is out,
like like we're down to the third funs.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
I asked, remember when Julio Jones went to Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
YEP. I asked. A guy who was coaching in the
NFC West at the time, said, how are you going
to handle this?
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Like, like, how are you gonna be able to stop
a j Brown Julio Jones and Derek Henrick at the
same time. He said, we'll see if they're all there
when we play, and sure enough, two of the three
missed that game. I forget what you know. Two of
the three missed that game. And that's the life of
the NFL. That's the reality of the NFL. I get it,
like the idea that you can schedule out week one,
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that you know who's gonna be there week thirteen, the
same in a way that you kind of can in
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
It's just not true.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
But but that but that's always why when people have
schedule shows, when they announce the schedule and they give
you the record and they tell you what you know,
like like, you know, it is silly, and I've said
it all, just absolutely silly because you don't know who's
going to play week nine or week eleven or week twelve.
Like the idea that you know everybody's gonna be healthy,
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you know, have any say, oh, yeah, that's gonna be
a win.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
For them, not gonna No, No, it doesn't work like that.
But football to me is not sure.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Can I have it on his background noise? Absolutely, But
I'm talking about watch the game. I just can't see
Washington and Dallas. What would I want to Why would
I want to watch that? As much as I love football,
that game does not do anything for me. The Lions
game I want to see coming off that Pittsburgh loss.
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Do they come and take it out on the Vikings
or do they lose it.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
If they lose to the Viking. I think the Lions
have a very there is See That's what I'm saying.
I can find a storyline in anything, but to me,
the Lions losing this this Vikings game, to me, is
a sign that you are on the right side of this,
like your opinion, Rob has been on the right side
of this. Like, seriously, you went back to back. You
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weren't losing back to back games. Okay, okay, cool, You're
on a wind streak. Now you go up and down,
up and down, up and down. Now you start losing
back to back games. Like it's just something like things
are going the wrong direction.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And Martin and you know what I've said, right, because
we did a show together about it, I've said the
window was closed.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
But here's the thing. If your line's fan, you look
at it and go.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
We went from NFC Championship game to the best record
we ever had in franchise history, fifteen to two, home
field throughout the playoffs, lose to a rookie quarterback, and
now year three, no postseason. Like that is a dramatic
do you know what I mean. It's like you're going
you're going the wrong way. And I know everybody said, oh,
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but they got young players and they're signed and all that.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
No, and the division is getting better too.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Well that's the thing that to me, like it's kind
of the soundly alarmed Ben Johnson and Chicago. They seem
to be figuring its right. They probably won't be the
one seed next year. But okay, so you go from
winning thirteen games to win in ten games. Guess what's
still a good team, right? Vikings have a great roster,
(35:56):
just have quarterbacks. Let them find a guy with the
ride on them that can go back there and play.
And you see that team was fourteen wins last year. Yeah, right,
thirteen wins. They were right there last year. They got
a lot of talent on the run and so the
thing that gets and then the new had the Packers.
The other thing that gets me with the Lions is
it's the same problems it's it's the same issues, the
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same defensive injuries. Right, consistent defensive offense hasn't been the issue.
Even when they switched the offensive coordinate. There's still scoring points.
They're still moving the ball. The reason the Commanders beat
them in the playoffs last year they scored forty some points.
They got beat because they couldn't play any defensive They
all carved them up.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Also, also, you got Jared Goff have four in four turnovers,
no doubt. But even he's just saying yeah, yeah, But
I'm saying four turnovers in a playoff game. I don't
know what playoff game are gonna win. When your quarterback
those three picks and fumbles the football like that turned
the game around. And then that halfback that was another interception.
Remember the running back through the interception.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Jamison Williams. I believe that.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, I think that was It was crazy all right,
seven ninety nine on Fox?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Where are you are you watching football? Regardless?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
It doesn't matter who's playing, or if the games don't matter,
or the score blowed out, if the team's getting blowed out,
as they say in the barbershop, Are you watching regardless?
Or are you do you pick and choose do you go.
I'm gonna spend my time on this. I'm not gonna
watch that. Is there a game really this Sun, this Thursday,
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this Christmas Day that you're dying to watch?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Or are you on board with me? I'm looking for
a Golden Girls marathon somewhere
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
This happening is going on in Baltimore, Lee, and we
should say somehow someway with the awful season the Ravens
have had, they're not out of it. If the Steelers
would have lose their last two games and the Ravens
would have win their last two games, they could actually
win the division.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So it's not out of reach.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
But there's a columnist down in Baltimore not too happy
with one, mister Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
That's right, Rob.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, somebody in Baltimore is gonna get cold in their
stocking this evening. And that is whether it is Lamar
Jackson or Baltimore Sons. Mike Preston, who wrote a column
titled Ravens Lamar Jackson are at a Crossroads. In this column,
Preston claims that the star quarterbacks off field habits, specifically
alluding to him playing video games late at night and
falling asleep in team meetings is rubbing the team the
(01:16):
wrong way. But he also accuses the Ravens of accommodating
the twenty eight year old's behavior, including holding practices later
in the afternoon opposed to the morning, which most teams do.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
All right, I'm gonna say this, Martin Lamar is not
without blame. Okay, it's been a.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Bad year, we get it. This isn't what we're.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Used to this guy, right, a ton of injury, but
this guy's usually in the mix for MVP. He's that
kind of play. Last year, I think he got robbed.
He didn't win the MVP. He was the first team
All Pro quarterback, but he didn't the first team you know,
all NFL. But he didn't get the MVP, which just
normally doesn't happen. But in this case, and I'm not
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saying that Lamar is without blame because there's plenty of
blame to go around for this ridiculous Baltimore Ravens team.
First of all, they have six Pro Bowlers, right, but
like that ties the amount for all the teams, Like
three or four teams have six guys, like that's the
best you can do. So they actually have talent. We've
(02:21):
seen this team. Lamar started the first three or four
games like as well as you can play at the
quarterback position. They went up to Buffalo, scored forty points
and lost. Derek Henry's fumbling Zay Flowers who made the
Pro Bowl, who had three two.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Touchdowns and three fumbles. He made the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I mean, like, like seriously, and he's always fumbling.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
The Pro Bowl is voting needs to be addressed.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I'll just say it's ridiculous, but I just want to
want to get this right. I'm sorry the I appreciate
a local columnist going after the big dog and writing
those kinds of columns. That's what I did when I
was a columnist in Detroit and New York and whatnot.
So I get that, and I appreciate that because most
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local guys are homers and they don't want to, you know,
ruffle of feathers of the big guys that they need
to talk to. But in this case, if you're not
writing about John Harbaugh and what has happened to the Ravens,
blowing leads, go look they've lost twelve double digit leads
in the last few years under John Harball. I know
(03:36):
he won a Super Bowl. It's a long time ago.
They got way too much talents. We just talked about it.
Six Pro bowlers, They got an MVP type quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
They got everything you need.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Go back and look at most predictions about who's coming
out of the AFC, and I say eighty percent had
the Ravens because they looked at the roster, looked at
the team. They said my betting favorite at the start
of the season.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
There you go, like before before Thursday night kickoff, they
were the favorite in the AFC to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And here we are, and now we're gonna pile on
Lamar John Harballs.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
She gets the blame. And here's the last thing.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
How many games and situations And I'm not making an excuse.
I talked about the Derek Henry fumbles. How many balls
are dropped touchdowns? Like unbelievable. Did you see?
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Who else was?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Jay Flowers had one in the last game. Mark Andrews
had another fumble. You remember two years ago last year
against Buffalo the two point conversion of tier game. Remember
that drop. I could go on and on and on
about these games. In the AFC Championship game against the Chiefs,
Jay Flowers fumbles at the one yard line going into
(04:55):
the into the Enzo change the whole game. They lost
that game by five. Right, Well, there's been a lot
of stuff going on. But if I'm going to point
a finger at anybody, Martin.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's going to be John Harbaugh. He should be fired
after the season.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I'm also pointing the finger at John Harbaugh. And to
your point, you and I have you. Obviously, Peg did
a lot more ink spilling than I did, but we
both went to Jay School and have a concept of
how local versus national media works.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And that's a big difference.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
This article is getting written because somebody, somebody is comfortable
enough to say something is going to be there is
a grand canyon crack here that will not be filled
right no matter how. You don't go scorched earth in
this way unless you know that you're saying, you gotta
have a good plug in.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And to me, I'm not about to try to guess
the source.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
But one of the things that's interesting about Lamar Jackson,
if you follow his career, he doesn't have an agent
at this point I don't think I'm telling secrets. When
you find out that your national guys that are doing
the reporting, you're Adam sefterz or Ian rap Reports, you
name them. Those are just two of the more prominent.
They're reporting with agents, are telling.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Them they're in bed with agents.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
And that doesn't mean what the agent is telling them
is false, right, But they're reporting, are telling them they
are not in the locker room every day.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
They're not in the locker room.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's not the way of breaking stories in the old days,
where you had to really be around and you had
to dig and talk to people.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
A lot of stuff has sped to them.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Mike Preston has been covering the Baltimore Ravens is nineteen
eighty three. I was born in nineteen eighty nine, right,
So he's had this job long than I've had my life, right,
So I'm telling me he knows everyone in the building, right,
especially when you consider that John Harball has been there
for almost twenty years himself, So that's almost twenty years
of a working relationship between that him, those two specifically,
(06:42):
writing this to me is the writing on them, because
you nailed it on the head. The Lamar's injuries have
masked the fact that the Ravens have underachieved year after.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Year, year after year.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Year.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You say the first year thing, that always disappointing. But
here's the thing. When Lamar got.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Hurt this year, right, and he got hurt early in
the season, they had already dropped to your point, that
Buffalo game where they scored forty points in regulation on
the already dropped that With a healthy Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Lamar gets hurt, the team falls off a cliff, the
team craters.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
The only person who's responsible for that is the head coach.
And then later on down the line, as he's coming back, said,
do you know what, John Harbor, what's gonna change after
the buye?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Well, after the buy we're gonna get a quarterback back. Well,
guess what quarterback didn't come back.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
He there's a level of disconnect between the two of them,
even so much, the most recent example being this week,
Lamar Jackson in his postgame press conference said, I had
a tour doll shot on my back and was unable
to finish the game because I was hurt. Right, You're
not getting a painkiller for fun, right, You getting a painkiller?
Tried to get out there and play. John Harbaugh said, well,
(07:54):
you know, we were really sure what was.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Happening with the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Like, even if you weren't sure, you cover for the guy.
If that's your guy, right, even if you're not sure,
I'm telling you it is. Andy Reid is not about
to go out and say, well, I don't know what
Patrick was doing. He's gonna say we all have to
get better, we all have.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
To work on it.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Sean McDermott is not gonna go and say that, you know,
you know what Josh Allen really needs to do, He
really needs.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
To exhibit more leadership. Right, No, we're all in this together.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
This is a guy This is a savior desk type
of move out of the Baltiono Ravens organization.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
But it feels like it there's a split coming. And
guess what. Lamar has got a longer contract than you
do Power right.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And I'm sorry it's hard to you're moving Lamar and
staying with John Harper.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That's your choice.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I don't know how that could be the choice when
you've underachieved every year, the Ravens lose and you feel
like a right, a wasted opportunity.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
They got six Pro Bowlers and they're under five hundred.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Right, that tells you all you need to know. That
tells you how much talent this team has. And Derrick
Henry has turned into a fumble machine, my goodness, gracious.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
But even still, no, I'm with all of that. I'll
give that first game.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I I'm just he was never a fumble guy.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I just guys get older, especially a running back. You know,
it's kind of I don't want to say he's falling
off a cliff, because you see, he still has got it,
but he's lost a step in his game.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
But even with all of that, you have an MVP
level quarterback.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
You're not accepting that type of reasoning in Buffalo or
in Kansas City right when, because you have that type
of quarterback and that type of roster and infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think that's the difference in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
All right, eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox we
are love here on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
We love that.
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Thank you, Bill. Who's the blame? What is it? Mike Preston?
I'm sorry, Mike Preston.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Right down in Baltimore, he's saying, Lamar, he's.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Sleeping at meetings.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
They don't want to have practice Earl, Like all this
stuff's been going on when Lamar was winning the MVPs.
But now you know it's a problem because they're and
they're not even eliminated from the playoffs, which is another
thing that's weird.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
You know, just quickly to this is why I find
Remember when Kamar came back and the report was they
took all the video games out of the locker room.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Because Lamar said it. So which one is it? Right?
Is he twenty two? Like maybe they should have put
kept him in the locker room and he'd be going
to sleep early.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
But this might be like you remember Terry Francona with
the Red Sox, the biscuits and fried chicken and beer
that they were, you know, in a clubhouse, right like
it became like a country club.
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They they've worked, they have the right to take off.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Alex and I choose to be here for the Odd Couple,
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Speaker 3 (13:00):
That's all we do and we appreciate it. Appreciate everyone. Martin.
There's been a lot of talk about Caleb Williams. We're
gonna get to.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
That that game Saturday against the Packers.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I don't care what kind of a sports fan you are.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You don't have to have any horse in the race,
dog in the show pony nothing. Okay, if you didn't
get chills at that play, that throw game winner, over time,
the catch, the reaction to the fans that sold your.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Field, the videos of people.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
You know, everybody puts a camera on them now while
they're watching the game to see the ending and how.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
They respond to react.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And I don't know if it's different because you know
you have a camera on you, you know what I mean.
You sauce it up a little bit, Martin. But it
was incredible. It was incredible, and the Bears have been
what a great story and the development of Caleb Williams.
But a lot of people have been Caleb william bashers,
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like this year, even when they were winning. Oh, they
haven't beat anybody all they have done this. Then they
beat Philadelphia and Philadelphia and all these they keep checking
these boxes. They can't beat the Packers. Aaron Rodgers, remember
what he said, he owned the Bears, right, he owned
the Bears. And then they beat the Packers in the
game they were down by ten with twoh four to
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go or whatever it was before they came back tied
the game of regulation and winning an overtime. Just your
thoughts on where you are from the beginning with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I'd say it like, I think that was my quarterback.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I mean, it's not a controversial thing to say that
that's the guy who I thought was going to be
the best quarterback in his class, and still honestly think
it's going to be the best quarterback in this class.
I know that we've had our flirtations with Jaydon Daniels
as his great rookie year.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
It's not shocked that he took a step back.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And I'm not saying with the injury, I'm not it's
just because he Jason I saw that as well.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
You know, everybody crown c J. Stroud after the first year,
and so you know you saw that.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
You know, to the point you saw the hail mary
by Jayden Daniels to McLaurin against against the Bears that
kind of like set their seasons on different trajectories.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
If you remember if you watched that game, and I
know you did, uh they.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Caleb had watched a team down to score the touchdown
to put them ahead, right and then all of a
sudden that turned everything around with the hail mary got
the dB talking to the fans in the stands while
the plays going on just just a crazy moment.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
You have that moment last year, you have the Lions
game where Lomas Brown, your friend's friend of the show
is literally all the Lions radio broadcasts say what are
the Bears doing? This coach is trying to get fired right?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And then you know you had several different things, and
that you mean this year when they lost. No, I'm talking.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
About Caleb's rookie year, because Matt, that's how bad it was,
the opposing radio broadcasters saying trying to get fired right Caleb,
after that whole time period, He's not throwing anybody under
the bus. He's doing everything at the podium how you
would want your franchise quarterback to say it. It showed a
lot to me, a guy who at the time I
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had no real concerns Caleb about his play coming out
of college.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
It was more is he gonna climb in the stands?
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Like?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Is he gonna like?
Speaker 5 (16:26):
That?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Was what we were like. Most people had at least as.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
A second line of concern about Caleb Williams, right, is
he too effeminate?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Is he gonna paint his nails? A guy's gonna adjust
to that. Well. Year one showed me, he's gonna be
wearing bell bottom.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Well, year one showed me he'll be just fine dealing
with that, and it was an immense dysfunction around him.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Comes out afterwards and says, after the season, said, I
was trying to watch tape and I had trouble help
somebody I needed.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
I wanted help watching tape and I had trouble finding
someone to do that for me. That's insanity, right. And
then to me, when you see the Ben Johnson influence
from and I wasn't sure that Ben Johnson was going
to be a good coach or not, right, I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I don't think it was automatic.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
It's automatic a lot of people to say everybody's gonna
be a good coach. Mike mc daniel was supposed to
reinvent football, right, and then he goes to you know
how so Ben Johnson gets to Chicago, though, and to me,
you see the growth in Caleb Williams, and you see
the growth in the team in a way that Caleb
Williams was never the I should say never, but he
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was not the reason why his rookie year the Bears
were losing games, right, And you see right here right now,
he's not the read though games that the Bears have lost.
Even with this complete percentage, he's playing well enough, as
you see, to put them in positions to win and
has the ability to make those high level extra leverage.
The type of players you see Mahomes, Josh Allen Lamar
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at his height when things are going well, like that
play against the Packers.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
That is something that like one of one type of
guys do right there.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I agree if you think everybody he's making those throws
and winning those games in the fourth quarter. He tied
Peyton Manning, one of the all time great quarterbacks, for
six fourth quarter comebacks.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Like it's not like everybody's doing this.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
He has touchdown the interception ratio, I think a thousand
minimum passes, he's second.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
To Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Like you know, career wise, like like you start to
dig in some of these numbers.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
And there's some part of it, like you almost not
wish you would throw more interceptions, but in his rookie year,
there's some you kind of wish you would push the
ball a little more. It's like, hey, I see you
got to see a wide open and throw it, and
you know, obviously that's not how it's always going to work.
Sometimes you got to fit the ball into a tight window.
But this is the thing I say, he's got all
the ability to do that. The question with Caleb Williams
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after rookie year was is he gonna be able to
do quote unquote the easy things, the layups and be
content with that. Every week I see a different quarterback
who was seeming more and more and more content with
turning around and handing the ball off, throwing the ball away,
checking the ball down, the things that keep you on
the field and the keys that keep your drives alive
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to then be able to hit that big explosive place
when when it comes exactly that's and that's the funny
thing about the last the Bears game less without the
on side kick recovery. We don't see any of that
stuff happen. The on side kick was, but the onside
kick was the most unlikely to happen.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Yeah, But that right, I hear that Caleb Williams to
come back in the late fourth quarter overtime game and
think ding ding ding ding and hit a big.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Throw and hit a big play and win the game.
That wasn't making a couple of big runs. Right now,
it wasn't surprising to me.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
The least likely thing that happened was the onside kick,
and the most surprising thing to happen in that game
to me was the onside kick. Well, here's the other part.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
There are a lot of people over time were bashed Caleb,
we talked about it.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
First, let's hear from Caleb.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
And then Dan Kelly is a former scout who's out
there who this was it earlier this season, right Lee
earlier this season said he was a busted. Earlier this season,
this guy said that he was dead, Kelly said, Daniel
Kelly said he was a bust.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But first, this is Caleb.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
First, you know, I wasn't the biggest, It wasn't the strongest,
it wasn't the tallest, fastest, whatever the case may be.
You know, I get I get drafted here. You know,
told that I'm not a special player, told that I'm
not uh you know, a good fit here, told that
you know, coach and I won't work. I've told you know,
I can't win here, and so you know, uh, I
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know that's going to keep going on. But you know,
I do take a little satisfaction and and things like that,
and you know, being able to help this team, help
this organization, be a part of it, you know, to
get to the playoffs. And you know, my goal isn't
to just get to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
My goal is to win and win and win big.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I mean, you couldn't ask for a better said rebuttal
to all the stuff that he's gone through and all
the people who have doubted him and talk about it.
John Middlecoff is a scout two former scout rights and
and I saw one of his podcasts earlier this year
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and basically he said Caleb hadn't improved the Bears offense.
Can't be fixed with Caleb, you know, like just I
would say, wrote him off. And I'll give John Middlecoff
credit because he said he's wrong, Like you know, he
he said he's wrong, that he that he missed this,
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that he did not see this part.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Earlier in the season, and bla blah blah blah whatever
it is.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And Daniel Kelly, I got into it with him, and
I guess this was last year? Is that when that was?
That was let's just hear a little bit.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Daniel Kelly has been one of the biggest critics of
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
And I'm still in the same spot with Caleb Williams.
I was pre draft. You know, I had a fourth
wrong grade going into the the draft process. Label them
as a is a shuretfire one hundred percent bust if
he won the first round.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I haven't moved off that here.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You're still you're still gonna hold on to a one
hundred percent bust.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Come on, now, wait a minute, I just can't.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I need you, Daniel, to own up that you got
this one wrong, okay, because he's not a one hundred
one hundred percent bust.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Really, have you seen him a one hundred percent bust?
Speaker 6 (22:28):
I've seen him.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I've seen him.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I've seen him, and you still think he's a one
hundred percent bust.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Yes, I've seen him have success against two of the
worst teams in the NFL, against the Carolina Panthers and
Jacksonville Jaguars, who were both one win teams the time
they played him. I saw him with all the short
thinking Doug passes of everybody, the seventy three percent against
the Rams within that game.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Who are you supposed to play? Who are you supposed
to play against? Did you when you look at Tom
Brady in the NF in the AFC least, and he
beat up on the Jets and the Bills and the
Miami Dolphins for fifteen years. Did you downgrade him because
he played terrible cop, bad competition or not?
Speaker 6 (23:08):
I wouldn't evaluate him in all fairs.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
All right, there you go. That was me and Daniel
Kelly the Scout. But I do want to hear from
the doubters. This is your night to come clean. If
you doubted Caleb, if you had a problem with his
bell bottoms and the fingerpot and nail polish or whatever
you whatever it is, can you really take a look
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and be honest now and say this guy is something special.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I'm serious. Here's your opportunity.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
The odd Couple's giving you a chance to call in
and say, Rob Martin, I was wrong. It's okay, you
can get you were wrong. Call in eight seven seven
ninety nine on Fox. We'll clinge you on this Christmas Eve.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
It's like it's an airing of forgiveness, exagreelances forgiveness.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
We will forgive you. You call in and let us
know you were wrong.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
You know I was wrong, Alex, You already know I
didn't just get on the Caleb bandwagon after that great
throw on Saturday Night.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
You didn't. You want to know why, why Alex? Because
you made a catch a jingle like this, and then
I saw his toss. I'm a believer and not a
trace of doubt in my mind. I'm in love with Caleb.
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I'm a believer. I couldn't leave him if I tried.
There it is your worst.
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Speaker 1 (25:09):
Lee Tomorrow is a big everybody's home everybody after they
open up the Presence and all the other stuff that
goes on Christmas morning and breakfast and cool because today
feels like already the weekend, a Saturday or whatever. Right,
but it's only Wednesday, and tomorrow be Thursday, and people
have a great time. But there's a lot of sports on.
The NFL's taking over Christmas Day.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Used to be the NBA.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
They got like five games on right, and the NFL
has three games on Lee. And I'm gonna tell you
not three great games.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
No, the spreads would tell you that too, Rob because yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
First we're kicking off and I hope you have your
Netflix subscriptions ready for Christmas morning because it's first two
games are going to be on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
That's right, Netflix, I forgot about.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
This, right, Cowboys are going to be at the Commanders
and Dallas is an eight and a half point favorite
in that game. And then we got the afternoon game
Netflix as well, Lions at the Vikings, who are of
course got brosmer in for JJ McCarthy with the hairline
fracturer in his hand. And then we go on to
from Netflix to Amazon Prime Video for the late game
between the Broncos and the Chiefs, where Denver is a
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thirteen and a half point favorite.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
And can I say that is Martin? Uh huh? Not interested?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I will not n OTV watching NFL football on Christmas.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
What I find hilarious is that the running joke is normally,
oh it's Netflix time when the game sucks, right, or
it's like p has five times, it's like, well, they'll
already be on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Is this gonna be the thing that moves people to
cable right cause you can't. You can't go to Netflix
to run from it. Yeah, I run from it on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I'm gonna have to go to me TV or something
and use the antenna off try to find something else,
some marathon or something, or some Christmas movies that are on.
I'm sorry, and Lee, you just talked about it. The
spreads tell you all you need to know, like like
these are not supposed to be competitive, bad matchups. I'm
sure when they thought about it that the implications would
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have been great.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
You know the Lions Vikings. You know, that was a big.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Game last year, the last game of the year that
decided the division. So that's always something. But the Vikings
aren't there. And if the Packers win on Saturday, right,
what am I thinking?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Uh so the lines play tomorrow. But if the Packers
win a Saturday, the Lions are done, right.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
They gotta win two games and the Packers have to lose.
It's a lot of lines to make it as well.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
The Lens went out and the Packers lose a game,
I think they're in no, no.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
No, they got to lose two games.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
The Packers got to lose both games because remember there's
a tie there.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
They have one less loss than the Lions. Either way,
you know.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
What I mean, It's two and two. The only way
the Packers don't make the playoffs. They got to lose
both and the Lions have.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
To win both. That's the only way. So are you
into it? Are you gonna be watching what? I'm in
the football? But I'm in all but not good bad football.
I think I'm in a football. To me, watching a
game is like buying a ticket to a movie.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Like if you're into movies, you have no promise that
this movie you're walking into going to be good.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
So you never flip away from a blowout or a
terrible game, a loop side of game.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
You're talking to the wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Okay, I'm asking Kay, I'll say this Lee wear you
real quick. Did you turn off a bad game like
a blop side of game?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I don't. It depends how long into the game, and if.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It's not not your team, not like say it's not
the Packers, You're not going to turn off.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
A Packers now that stays on all day, all day.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
But I'm saying, like, this is a game that you're
watching like the Cowboys and the Commanders. If it's forty
one to nothing in the second quarter, I'm you're sticking around.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I'll leave it on the TV. But I'll walk away.
I'll go I'll go do something in the kitchen. I'll
go hang out that socialized do something with somebody else.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
I'm not exactly clocking every single play like I would
have in that ram Seahawks game from a couple of
weeks ago, like where it comes down to the final possession,
it's all well and great.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
This my problem. I think the NFL when.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
I was growing up, like Sunday at one o'clock was
almost like an extension of church, right, like everybody went
to church in the morning, and this Sunday at one
o'clock or noon, because I lived in several time zone
was now another like religious gathering.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Because I grew up watching the Saints and that team
was terrible.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
They always played at noon, ain't They always played at noon?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
It was never a Monday night at there. You know
none of that.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
And I think that one of the things that the NFL,
one of the things that makes the NFL special is
that ritualistic nature of my team is more than likely
going to play Sunday at one o'clock, and you build
it into your schedule and build it into your routine,
and it's.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
The only sport. That's like that.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
The more they put these games on standalone windows, they
try to make a new primetime window in the morning
by playing a game in London, in Spain or Germany.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Whatever. All you're doing that is make it to the
West coast doesn't watch right, like they don't care. But
like to me, you want to have Thursday night football? Cool?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Have one team played Thursday, because this is what happens
in the NFL and the college football Playoff is finding
the same problem. When you have all the games happen
Sunday at one o'clock, we see two or three great.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Endings and you'll sit there and be like, this is
a great day of football. Right, But you know what,
you didn't.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
See thirty eight to six Jaguars over Chargers, Right, you
didn't see that because it was a standalone It's very
much like the same thing as the first week in
the March madness. There's only like six good games they
have to play sixty eight to get to it.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Do you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
There's only like three four good games on a Sunday,
they have to play like twelve to get to it.
You're eliminating that opportunity by having three games tomorrow and
the benefit, the juice is not worth the squeeze because,
like you said, every every when you're sitting there with
grandma and your girlfriend and mom, they gonna be.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Like, oh, where's where if that point I was in
the Super Bowl? Oh he tore his acl. Patrick Mahomes
is out. Oh where's this back? Oh he's out too. Oh.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
You know, all the players with any name recognition for
your average you know person who is dipping in on holidays.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Like this, they're gone. So the whole juice of all
of it is so it's not even worth it. But
to me, and this is the guy who would not work.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
When I was in high school, I wouldn't work on
Sundays during football season. I was a shoe salesman. I
went to my boss at a sixteen.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Year old No.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Lie Shelley Zimmerman at stride right at the Queens Center Mall. Shelley,
I don't work on Sundays from September to December. Like
you know, you work at a mall, you gotta work weekends.
I work any other days for you, Sundays during the
summer whatever it is. Football season though my mom used
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to let me leave church early, Martin, even though we
were within walking distance of the church so that I
could see the kickoff. I didn't want to come in
in the first quarter eight minutes in. I want to
watch the game from kickoff, the entire game. I look
over at her as ten minutes to one to give
me the high sign. You know what I mean, you
could bounce.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I'm out.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I'm walking home by myself because I want to go
see the football game. But as I get older, and
even as a football guy who does this for a
living and I enjoy football blowouts, games that don't matter,
I'm just I'm not a fantasy guy. And I get
people who watch fantasy, they watch that, but these games
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are unappealing to me. They just are You just said it.
The Chiefs, No Patrick, no Rice that is not playing.
I don't know who else is missing. Gardner Minshew is out,
like like we're down to the third funs.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
I asked, remember when Julio Jones went to Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
YEP. I asked. A guy who was coaching in the
NFC West at the time, said, how are you going
to handle this?
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Like, like, how are you gonna be able to stop
a j Brown Julio Jones and Derek Henrick at the
same time. He said, we'll see if they're all there
when we play, and sure enough, two of the three
missed that game. I forget what you know. Two of
the three missed that game. And that's the life of
the NFL. That's the reality of the NFL. I get it,
like the idea that you can schedule out week one,
(33:22):
that you know who's gonna be there week thirteen, the
same in a way that you kind of can in
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
It's just not true.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
But but that but that's always why when people have
schedule shows, when they announce the schedule and they give
you the record and they tell you what you know,
like like, you know, it is silly, and I've said
it all, just absolutely silly because you don't know who's
going to play week nine or week eleven or week twelve.
Like the idea that you know everybody's gonna be healthy,
(33:52):
you know, have any say, oh, yeah, that's gonna be
a win.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
For them, not gonna No, No, it doesn't work like that.
But football to me is not sure.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Can I have it on his background noise? Absolutely, But
I'm talking about watch the game. I just can't see
Washington and Dallas. What would I want to Why would
I want to watch that? As much as I love football,
that game does not do anything for me. The Lions
game I want to see coming off that Pittsburgh loss.
(34:23):
Do they come and take it out on the Vikings
or do they lose it.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
If they lose to the Viking. I think the Lions
have a very there is See That's what I'm saying.
I can find a storyline in anything, but to me,
the Lions losing this this Vikings game, to me, is
a sign that you are on the right side of this,
like your opinion, Rob has been on the right side
of this. Like, seriously, you went back to back. You
(34:46):
weren't losing back to back games. Okay, okay, cool, You're
on a wind streak. Now you go up and down,
up and down, up and down. Now you start losing
back to back games. Like it's just something like things
are going the wrong direction.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And Martin and you know what I've said, right, because
we did a show together about it, I've said the
window was closed.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
But here's the thing. If your line's fan, you look
at it and go.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
We went from NFC Championship game to the best record
we ever had in franchise history, fifteen to two, home
field throughout the playoffs, lose to a rookie quarterback, and
now year three, no postseason. Like that is a dramatic
do you know what I mean. It's like you're going
you're going the wrong way. And I know everybody said, oh,
(35:31):
but they got young players and they're signed and all that.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
No, and the division is getting better too.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Well that's the thing that to me, like it's kind
of the soundly alarmed Ben Johnson and Chicago. They seem
to be figuring its right. They probably won't be the
one seed next year. But okay, so you go from
winning thirteen games to win in ten games. Guess what's
still a good team, right? Vikings have a great roster,
(35:56):
just have quarterbacks. Let them find a guy with the
ride on them that can go back there and play.
And you see that team was fourteen wins last year. Yeah, right,
thirteen wins. They were right there last year. They got
a lot of talent on the run and so the
thing that gets and then the new had the Packers.
The other thing that gets me with the Lions is
it's the same problems it's it's the same issues, the
(36:17):
same defensive injuries. Right, consistent defensive offense hasn't been the issue.
Even when they switched the offensive coordinate. There's still scoring points.
They're still moving the ball. The reason the Commanders beat
them in the playoffs last year they scored forty some points.
They got beat because they couldn't play any defensive They
all carved them up.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Also, also, you got Jared Goff have four in four turnovers,
no doubt. But even he's just saying yeah, yeah, But
I'm saying four turnovers in a playoff game. I don't
know what playoff game are gonna win. When your quarterback
those three picks and fumbles the football like that turned
the game around. And then that halfback that was another interception.
Remember the running back through the interception.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Jamison Williams. I believe that.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, I think that was It was crazy all right,
seven ninety nine on Fox?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Where are you are you watching football? Regardless?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
It doesn't matter who's playing, or if the games don't matter,
or the score blowed out, if the team's getting blowed out,
as they say in the barbershop, Are you watching regardless?
Or are you do you pick and choose do you go.
I'm gonna spend my time on this. I'm not gonna
watch that. Is there a game really this Sun, this Thursday,
(37:24):
this Christmas Day that you're dying to watch?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Or are you on board with me? I'm looking for
a Golden Girls marathon somewhere
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