December 30, 2025 • 33 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us if LeBron James should decline an invite to the upcoming NBA All-Star Game if he doesn’t get voted in as a starter by the fans, and argue over whether college basketball coaches like John Calipari are being hypocrites for voicing their displeasure over professional (non-NBA) players coming back to play in college.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Okay, let's go here, rob G. The numbers are out
and they're not great.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
The All Star numbers for one Lebron James, Lebron Jamesbron James,
Lebron James.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
This might be the worst birthday president in the history.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Of today's birthday for forty one years of Happy Birthday, Low,
I was gonna say fifty one.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Wow, forty one Yeah, well listen, depending on the play,
he looks fifty one.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
There are some plays out there. That's the only reason
I Saiday can't move.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
And that might primarily be the reason why. For his
forty first birthday, he was gifted the latest the first
edition of the NBA All Star Game voting and Lebron James,
arguably the greatest player in NBA history. What could be
his final season in the NBA. We're expecting the retirement tour,
the Kobe Bryant. They don't love you like that. You
(01:17):
don't get the kind of love. Apparently Lebron don't get
the kind of love because he's finishing right now fifteenth
in NBA All Star voting behind such superstars as Trailblazers
forward Denny Avjia Kazunti.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Who who is right?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Who?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
So if the voting in it today, they have this
weird process. Maybe he gets in, maybe he doesn't. But
the idea that Lebron James could not be voted in
the NBA All Star Game for the first time in
over twenty years very real.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I got a message for Lebron James. Is this on?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
It's on, Lebron James, give the fans a middle finger,
oh my. And if they do you somehow get in,
like by the skin of your two, do not show up,
do not partake? How dare they disrespect you? And what
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could possibly be your last year? This is just an exhibition.
This ain't no real basketball. It's an exhibition.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
And worse, it's in Los Angeles the All Star Game.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I know it's into a dome, right, but it's in
Los Angeles, So fans could look at this and go, well,
this could be his last one. It's in LA. Let's,
you know, do this for his lifetime achievement. It ain't
like that. If this was we put the best numbers
in the computer and they give you a number and
(02:40):
those are the people make the All Star then fine,
he doesn't belong there an exhibition game. Do you know
that when Magic Johnson wasn't in the league, the league
put Magic Johnson in the All Star Game?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I covered it in Orlando three Yeah, yeah, after the HIV.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
But but my point is, if you're Lebron, you should
not really be thrilled about what this is, how this
is transpired, because it ain't that real. And the idea
that they're really going to vote who's the guy you
just said, rob g who's ahead of them? Seriously something
(03:22):
Yuku from Portland? I don't know, but you get my point, Like,
really is that what we are?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Come on?
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Man?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
So, if I'm Lebron James, no matter what, if I
skin on my teeth or whatever, do not and ot participate.
Thank you very much for being this disrespectful after all
these years. Yes, I'm here telling Lebron James do not
partake in the All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
First of all, what in the world are you doing
defiting Lebron? I take a few days off and I
don't know who you are. The heck is this thing on?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Is that Ron Parker? Next? What is going on?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I'll say this, this is what I don't even know
what we're doing right now. You say, I don't ever
talk about Lebron, Wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Nagg it.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
If this can happen to Michael Jordan, this can happen
to Lebron.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
This happened to Michael Jordan. Fans did not vote him in.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Of course, the coaches put him in and they put
throw him in the game, and Vince Carter Isaiah Thomas
has to convince him. Hey, fans, come on, man, you
know Michael Jordan's last game. Let him start? Okay, cool,
no produt you know? And he let him start. My
point is Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan, and it happened
to him Lebron, and you know how I feel about him.
He ain't that and this can happen to him. It's
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possible for anybody. So to me, I don't view it
as as the indictment on the fans. I think it's
just where we are. He's missed a bunch of games
already this season, I think fourteen of them.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Did you hear the difference between the person that you
mentioned in place of Michael Jordan compared to the guy
who's in front of him now from Portland, from the Trailblazer.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I did, Okay? I did, okay? And I mean one
of us if we played who he played for? Could
name him again? Okay? Can't. I don't know his name.
I don't know who that is it's And.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Maybe if he played all the games, we might be
having a different thing because you've seen more. Maybe there's
more plays you can remember all that. Donk he did this,
But I don't take it as an old, big indictment.
But what I think is gonna happen where I kinda
will meet you halfway. I think Lebron might announce retirement
at the All Star Game. That would be Lebron of
Lebron to go be a little disgrunted didn't get voted
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in by the fans.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
After all, I've done for you twenty something seasons. Just
what I am?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
You know, da da da da, And then to take
the moment, hey, Lebron, you know what, not starting, you're
not playing the game right now, but what an honor
you know you're in. The coaches put you in interviewing
him so many years, and I could totally see him saying,
you know, well, you know, yeah, I appreciate the fans
here to let the young boys do what they do.
And by the way, you know, it's good because it's
gonna be my last one. I can because it's happening
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in LA. Because the way the offseason win and the
Lakers and him having some you know, little disagreements and all.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
That, knowing the future is Luca dan Get.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
The fans are saying, we'd rather have Austin Reeves than you,
or we'd rather trade you to go get such and such.
I could see Lebron making this moment taking I'm gonna
take a moment.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
You don't want to give me this moment.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'm gonna take this whole entire All Star moment in
LA and announcestand that's what I can say.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
No, I think the best way for Lebron is to
snub everybody, the NBA, the fans, all this other stuff,
to let them know that I see what you've done.
Here the idea that this could be my last All
Star game, and I'm still playing at the numbers that
they put up, that he puts up and All Star numbers. Okay,
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the numbers, this is what these numbers. I'm still doing
it at a high level at this age. Whatever you want,
you know, which one is it?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean? And and I just think that to me.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Rather than going along with it and kind of going
there as a parting gift. And the tail tuck between
your legs is totally different then, because Michael Jordan was
on the Wizards, a bad Wizards team, you know what
I mean, that didn't even make the playoffs the two
years he was there. Lebron's on his team with Luca.
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Look at the look at the numbers for Luca. Luca's
in the top. Of course he could be a starter.
So those same Laker fans decided not to vote for Lebron. Well, okay,
the other way. They decided to vote for Luca and
Austin Reeds. No, but they decided they could also vote
for Lebron as well, and they decided not to.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Okay, And the other part is we're all his minions.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
We're all these people who will they won't wear his sneakers,
but they'll die at the barbershop about Lebron James. Where
are those people that he would be so far down?
He's still viable, He's still I remember last postseason, I
wouldn't want to see Lebron and Luca. I'm telling you
how well I would look at these teams. Who would
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you'd rather take Lebron? And that was just last year.
And now they don't even think he could play in
an exhibition game. Come on, it was all good just
a week ago.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Like jay Z said, I just think it's all like
the Rams who had the top spire.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Hey, hey, hey, don't know sports like that.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
We're talking about disca there in LA, don't we're talking
about the un just telling you all right, no, But
I just think, yeah, I think it's happened to Jordan,
it can clearly happen in Lebron. And also I just
will be I keep an eye on him that weekend.
That would be very Lebron. Of Lebron to take that
moment in LA and make it about him. I could
totally see that.
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Speaker 8 (09:39):
Happy New Year, Happy New Year, fellas, Happy New Year.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Shoot, the fans don't love what the fans don't love Lebron?
Is that where you're going?
Speaker 8 (09:50):
No, I already know where this conversation is going to go.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
How do you know?
Speaker 8 (09:54):
I'm I'm guessing let me share. If I'm right here,
I'm gonna be quiet. I'm gonna let as.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
No, No, you tell us what you what you think
it is?
Speaker 8 (10:01):
Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, I was gonna start with something we talked about earlier,
Lebron being fifteenth currently in voting. Uh and and and
kind of what that means is to say anything I said.
I mean, it happened to Jordan his last year with
the Wizards. If it can happen to Jordan, it can
happen to anybody, Lebron said, And Rob said, blank them
fans Lebron, that's right.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I would give them the middle finger. And I wouldn't go.
I wouldn't show up. I'd said, this is what you're
gonna do. The All Star Game is in LA. I
don't even know the guy from Portland who's ahead of
Lebron in the voting.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I don't even know who that is. I'm just.
Speaker 8 (10:37):
Denny. I DA right now. Was probably the league's most
improved player, if the most improved Player like we're voting
on today, Dinny at Bia will probably winning that award.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Okay, here's my point though, this is this is Lebron
James in an exhibition the world against the United States.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Correct, it's an exhibition. It's not correct.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
It ain't it ain't a If it's it's just about stats,
we wouldn't have fans voting, right, we wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It would be Okay, let's put the stats in.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Here's your war number that they do in baseball, and
people with the best war are going to make this team.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
That's not what we're doing here.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And and that's the part that I can't understand that
people really have turned on Lebron from this standpoint.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
Oh, no question.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I mean, that's that's about it. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
Yes, I I and and and one hundred see what
I'm saying, Rob, I agree with everything you're saying one
hundred percent. But you could have said everything that you
just said without discrediting the year that Denny Aby is having. Okay,
this is one of the reasons for me, This is
one of the reasons for me. I wasn't on board
with the whole USA versus the world there, thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'm with that.
Speaker 8 (11:47):
This is one of the reasons I wasn't on board
with it because now you have guys that are making
the All Star Game, and you have guys they should
make the All Star Game that aren't going to make it.
But I will say this though, Rob, honestly, let let's
keep it a buck here.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (12:00):
Is Lebron an All Star so far?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
No? No, he's not.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
Okay, right, So so, I mean I understand exactly what
you're saying, because realistically speaking, the All Star Game is.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
A popularity that's all it is.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
That That is my point. That that's my point.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
It was like a couple of years ago a d
where they gave players a chance to vote, and one
hundred and twenty five players didn't vote Lebron for the
All Star I mean, like, seriously, where are we?
Speaker 8 (12:29):
That's that's different like that that's personal, right, That's what
I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
But I'm just saying, it's it's an exhibition. That that's
what it is.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I'm surprised you and it being in LA, like that's
the other part.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
It's in LA.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
I'm with it, Okay, I will tell you this. That's
not where I thought you guys were going to start,
all right, Yeah, y'all got me.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Where we're going to start? Tell me, yeah, tell us.
Speaker 8 (12:54):
With the whole Are you okay with the sixty five
game threshold thing? Because Nikola Jokis got hurt? Oh yeah,
now now it's the talking point.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
That's our that's on our list. We got that coming
up next hour. Yeah, that's on our list. You give
us our openion on if you want to. Now, where
are you right?
Speaker 8 (13:13):
I've always been onble Forward. I was calling for this
years ago, years before they put this in place. I
was calling for it, plain and simple because you know,
it's amazing to me how we'd say one thing and
then something goes wrong and then we want to go back.
Like before it was sixty five games, everybody was mad
for players for not playing, and you know what they said,
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you know what, you got to put something in place
so players are held accountable for showing up, players are
held accountable for being available. Then they put something in place.
Now a couple guys get hurt. Now, well, you know what,
maybe this isn't the best idea. No it is, because
you should like, being available is a thing, and it
should be a thing. God can't control injuries. You can't
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control injury. I am on board with the sixty five
game cut off. What I'm not on board with, and
I never have been on board with, is a guy's
contract being tied to making all NBA or all defensive
all of that. That's what I'm not okay with.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
All right, you know what?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And in baseball, I want to go here, Okay, you
want to win the batting title, right, you need they
have the number, And I think it's fair so that
the guy can't win the batting title and he played
one hundred games and Aaron Judge played one hundred and
forty nine games, you know what I mean? So you
need three point one played appearances per schedule game. If
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you don't have that, you can't winqualify. You don't qualify.
And here's the only other caveat that they throwing with
the baseball one. Say you were ten games short of
the number that you need. If they put Zeros in
for those ten games and you still had a higher
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bat average, then you could win it. Do you know
what I mean? I like, to me, that's fair because
we don't know what you would have known. We can't
exactly what if we give you zeros and you still
have a high batter the next guy.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
Yeah, so let's let's let's apply that to Let's apply
that to the NBA. Let's say a guy plays forty
three games, right, and now for the next twenty two games,
you give him all the rows across the board.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Right.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
How do you think that looks right?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
But that would look crazy in the NBA is different. Yeah,
the NBA is a whole different. It's a different game.
You one person controls way more than you can in
base And.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I don't know if I don't know if if if
Antonio I told you this before, and maybe I did
because Kelvin likes it and I've seen other people like
on Twitter, I said, to really curtail people from doing that.
And it's not a problem as much as it was
where people sitting out games and resting or whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Is It's real simple. You can you can go out.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Or whatever, you fake it injury or say, you know whatever,
but you have to miss a minimum of three games.
Speaker 8 (16:05):
I've been saying that too.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Okay, you missed three games and that's it.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
So so you can't take that easy game off in
some city because you would have to miss the next
two games at least, and if you're really injured, you're
giving time to get well. I'm not We're not judging
and telling you you're not injured. So if you're injured,
you got to go on the injured list and miss
at least three games.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
That would stop people or if they don't have.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Their an injury or whatever like that, you have to
get zero's in your stat line. Do you know what
that would do to your career averages? And you start
adding zero.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Very conscious of that. That's why they don't play. Fans
ask that all the time.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Why don't they just play ten or twelve minutes and
get out the game because their stats will go down.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
Do you remember the old injury list?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yes, I do, where.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
You miss a game and you had to believe I
believe it was five games that they.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Put you on if they put you on the injured list.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
So they put you on the injured list, and you
missed that game and you had to miss the next.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Force that's how it should be game, and then.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
You had to you had to sit out the next tour.
Like the thing is, if if guys were playing, and
if organization held guys accountable and we're playing guys that
are healthy when they're actually available, we wouldn't even be
at this point, right and we.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Wouldn't have had to come up with the sixty five
because it would have just been was injured.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I believe that was injured.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
Yeah, so you can't. You can't act like this thing
just came from nowhere. No, you know what I mean.
They didn't just come out with sixty five games from nowhere.
They came out sixty five games because they felt like
they needed to do something to hold players accountable for
not being available. And this isn't this is the heel
I will I don't care who gets injured. I don't
care what first, second, third team look like. I don't
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care who wins the MVP all of that stuff. I
will always be in favor of giving guys credit that
are available more than guys that aren't, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
What's the biggest surprise to you so far in the
NBA season?
Speaker 8 (18:04):
If you had to Detroit Pistons.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Okay, say that again. My phone The phone was one
more time because we couldn't I hear five. Yeah, I
was gonna ask that you. I'm going to that game
against the Lakers. What what I mean.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
The thing is, it's the biggest surprise. We knew that
they would be they would be competitive after the way
that they ended last year. Take Cunningham is trajecting in
the right direction, but for them to be second in
the Eastern Conference, I mean first in the Eastern Conference.
Like at this point of the year, the year's almost
half over. We're not talking about a small samples idea.
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We're not talking about ten or fifteen games.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
You got them in the conference, you got them in
the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
I would not be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I want you to make a pick yes or no
right now. If I asked you, will the Pistons just
from what you see and you say not a small
sample size?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Will the Pistons be in the Eastern Conference Finals? Yes
or no? That's all I want. Yes or no, that's
all I want right now.
Speaker 8 (19:04):
Rob, I'll say yes. But you know that's the wrong
question to ask in December.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
No, I'm just asking. I know there's a long way
to go.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
I'm gonna tell you all right. Number one because it
is a long way to go, and number two because
it's a lot of trade that's gonna happen prior to
the trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Ya movement, that's still going to happen, Okay. I just
want to hear what you are on that it will
be okay.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
I would be okay picking the Detrade Pistons to go
to the Eastern Conference Finals. By what I've seen.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So far, Nick's Pistons will be great.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I want you to know, uh that before the football
season started, he did not ask you this, So I
just want to tell him that too. I said that
the Lions would not make the playoffs and the Chiefs
would not make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I ain't wish a merry Christmas.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
And I'm gonna sit here right now and I'll bet
Kelvin a paired another pair of Jordan's that the Pistons
will not nt be in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
We will talk the day with that.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
That's trade, Yeah, Rob, that's not that's not the same.
That's not the same. Like saying they won't be in
the Eastern Conference finals. That's not saying much did they
make Why it's still a successful season.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I didn't say that the season wouldn't be successful.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I'm talking about what that would they take a leak
from not winning a playoff series in fifteen years to
go into the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
No, okay, that's what I'm saying, Antonio.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
When was the last time they won? Rob with the
Pistons being where they make the.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Second round, they could make the second round depending on
the mat show.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
No, no, no, Rob, I'm gonna do what you did.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Mean, Yeah, there you go, there you go? What late
late late boy? Ad, don't worry about it. I got
him idea and we appreciate that's.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Immediately.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
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Speaker 5 (21:09):
Yeah, this is the gift that keeps on giving in
the world of college sports. This all kind of started well,
started years ago over be honest, but this really has
hit a crest in the last week and a half.
And that is because on Christmas Eve, Baylor announced that
they would be signing the thirty first pick in the
twenty twenty three NBA draft, a young man by the
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name of James Naji. To their active roster. The reason
why this is important is because even though Nausey was
drafted thirty first overall, he played in the NBA Summer League.
In fact, he was part of the Karl Anthony Towns
trade that sent him to the Knicks. He never actually
played in an NBA game, and he spent the last
five years instead playing in the EuroLeague, which means, in
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a roundabout way, because he never actually played in the NBA,
he is eligible maintained is eligibility to play in college.
This has led a number of college coaches to get
real up in arms about it. Last week it was
Tom Izzo. Earlier today it was John Calipari. Take a
listen to coach cal on the subject.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Well, look, I don't blame coaches. You know, I've got
friends that are playing with twenty seven year olds and
they feel bad. I said, don't feel bad. We don't
have any rules. Why should you feel bad? But let
me give you this real simple. The rules bes the rules.
So if you put your name in the draft, I
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don't care if you're from Russia and you stay in
the draft, you can't play college basketball. Well that's only
for American kids. What if your name is in that
draft and you got drafted, you can't play because that's
our rule. Yeah, but that's only for American kids. Okay, Okay,
(22:58):
now here's the next lawsuit. Well, we don't have a
say over European players. You do if they're playing in
college basketball. So that means you don't have a say
over high school kids. So whatever a high school kid
does before he comes here, don't you do one thing
because there's a suit, Because what you're saying is if
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he's in Europe, we don't have the same rules.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
All right, Rob, Do you have an update from the.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, so this clip obviously went viral. We'll get to
here in a second. But in the wake of this,
the NCUBLEA has released a statement with regards to the
whole situation. NCAA President Charlie Baker says, in part quote,
the NCUBLEA has not and will not grant eligibility to
any prospective or returning student athletes who have signed an
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NBA contract. This includes a two way contract. Somehow, some way,
Nagi's in the gray area where he got neither, so
he's eligible.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Okay, And I'm gonna say this, Kelvin. These coaches are
such hypocrites, they really are. And what they used to
do the kids was they used to punish kids who
wanted to enter the draft, even if they didn't have
an agent, or even if they didn't get drafted. You
know what they used to tell those kids, tough luck,
you cannot come back to college basketball.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
They didn't have an agent and they weren't drafted. They
thought their stock was higher. They didn't get drafted. Why
shouldn't you be able to come back. It was punishment.
It was trying to scare the kids from trying to
better themselves and taking a chance in life. And now
the whole idea is to punish this kid hasn't played.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
You could play around the NBA. When you go look
in the NBA stats and ask a guy is he
get an NBA pension? Does he get an NBA pension?
I would assume not.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
No, he hasn't played in the NBA. There's a lot
of guys who played in summer league and they wore
uniform they didn't play in the league.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I hate to break it to you, I don't remember
these guys.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Tom Izzo and all these other people coaches doing all
the stuff that they do all the money that they made.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
John Coler Perry being so worked up that Rick Patino
school had prostitutes in the dorm and all that other
stuff and all the other penalties and punishment for them.
I don't remember those press conferences. I don't remember them
coming out and saying this is awful. The reason that
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college for college basketball is where they are is because
of greed. They never wanted to share with the players.
They used to penalize players. Who penalizes as a kid
who wants to go back to college he wasn't drafted.
Oh I don't know you. How dare you put yourself
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in the draft?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
How dare you? You're not coming back here? That's that's education,
that we're denying kids a chance to come back to college.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
That's why I understand this, and I and I and
the NCAA. They would have a problem, especially with ni
l and money now that they give people to deny
this kid a chance to play, they would lose because
he hadn't signed an NBA contract. And that's what the
rules say. That this is not before where if you
(26:33):
just he's talking about old rules, those were the old rules.
So I don't have an issue with it. The NCAA,
I think if they finally got it right and they
understand where they are. This is not amateur sports anymore.
Anybody who thinks so, you're your kid and yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Which is why we were talking here. I wrote down
n cuaa's days are numbered. Their days are numbers. They're
already there. You talk about the phrase on the clock,
they're a big time on the clock because a broke
clock is right twice a day. And John Keller Perry.
While I disagree with some things over his tenure that
he said or done this time, I think some of
what he was saying was right. So first of all, Robersie,
(27:10):
what's the kid's name again? That's kind of in the
midst of all of this, James Naji Nagy Nagy, you
can't come back, rob I totally disagree. It's one thing.
The first point you made, I get put my name
in the draft. Just want to see where I am.
Just see what's okay?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Cool. I'm straight. I'm staying.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
You never really left. You leave, you've been going five years.
Get you go play pro overseas, you get in a
G league, part of a trade in the NBA. You
are a gone official. You cannot come back to college.
I watched March Madness this past last year, and I
saw more dudes on those courts that I'm looking like,
did I go to high.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
School with him?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
And I'm twenty some years older than most of those players.
That's how old some of these kids look. That part
of it's gone too far. He brought up a great
point as well. If you're kind of saying, well, that's
over there, that's overseas, then you gotta keep your hands
out of high school. Kids could not go to college
because under Armour and Nike sent them a bunch of
clothes and stuff to wear. I can be a billboard
for you, Rob, but what I can't do is have
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five hundred pair of shoes that you sent me over
a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You know what I can't do.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I can't sell one measly pair because now I'm ineligible.
Like that's crazy. The NC double A rule here, no
rule there. Transfer here, but don't transfer there. Go overseas
and play. But what you can come back? Don't go
but get an agent. You can't come back. The NC
DOUBLEA does not know what they're doing, and it is
becausing chaos and it is hurting the game. And you
and I were talking off the air a little bit, Dude.
(28:33):
I remember watching games and you knew the teams they
were replaying because of they were replaying Duke recently the
Christian lay everybody hates Christian later dot And you saw
him and Bobby Hurley and Gray Hill all.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
These years and you knew it, you loved it.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You saw him losing the UNLV that came back, they
bounced back, and it's losing that luster. So I'm happy
do what you want to get paid to the players.
I'm not knocking that portion of it. But the NC DOUBLEA,
by overcompensating, has created this concept by never paying players.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Not over compensating. It says, it's states, you can't sign
a contract. He didn't sign a car. To make sure
I'm correct, he didn't sign a car. Did you tell
me that man was part of a trade for Carl Anthony.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Town He's draft rights, his rights.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Right, draft right.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
What I'm saying it and I'm not rob I'm saying,
once you get part of draft rights, no, once you're
part of the G League at summer leagues, what do
we look at it?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Look up his name on old time NBA players in
the NBA. I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
If you looked at it, disagreeing's not listed. But I
didn't play in the league. Didn't play one minute in
the NBA. You go to the G League if you're
part of trades rights and we have rights over and
you go play overseas and the pro anks. You can't
come back to them. You can come back and get
education because college is for anybody. We got seventy year
olds of going back. You don't got to play on
my team, Rob jam On back.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
How old was Chris wink when he won the Highs
twenty six.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
No.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Twenty eight? He was twenty eight years old playing college football?
Stop it twenty eight?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
You you on my point.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I just said, we've said too many old people know
what My point is that it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
This play, it doesn't matter. But this kid did. That's
what this kid did not play in the NBA. He
plays the Eligibility League. It doesn't matter. NBA, that's their league.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
College players play with pro players all the time and
you are in LA come hoop with this No, but
that's that's the same league.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I don't mind, it's the same exact thing because none
of the stats count. None of it counts, none of
it count. You are on the or you would know
you in the NBA. It's the summer league.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Are you in the NBA when you play in the
summer I'm asking you. I'm really saying that no answer. No,
Kelvin Man, you are, dude.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
If I have my own thing, did not players we've
invited to come to this thing where intigerately has the
NBA PS NBA fright to he has the NBA, he's
in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Met why not you said he's in the league. He's
in the league. He hes not in the league he is.
He is because he's no longer an amateur. He college.
He's not in the leason. To me, that's an easy no.
It says if you signed the contract, you can't play.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And I also agree, real simple and I also afreciate
right with the transfer he talked to we didn't really
play that much on the clip he talked about you
get one free transfer, you don't why and as coaches
as long as it's the same thing with coaches, meaning
you can't sign a four or five year deal and
then leave a year or two.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I got a question for you. I'm not even gonna
ask you. I want to ask Bob G. Do the
players transfer themselves to other teams or the coaches accept them?
You keep right, the coaches accept them. No, but it
ain't that. If you coaches don't want it, don't go
take transfers. If that's if you have an issue with it.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
He literally just said, on your seat, I got coaches
feeling back that they're playing twenty seven years.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
That's the rule that I mean, that's what he said.
But you don't have to accept the transfer. And what
world are we?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Are we not going to do something whatever? I'm not
blaming the kids. I'm not blaming the kids nothing. I'm saying,
here's my new rule.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Tell the kids not to tell the coaches not to
take them. They won't be able to because here's my
new rule. Terrible, you get a transfer. Otherwise you can
transfer again, Rob, you can these coaches get up on
these players. All I just said, as long as the
coaches are the same thing, good luck, then then then
it stays the same. These kids have a right the
coach lees or they I'm with you, and they lie
(32:29):
to them. They say, oh yeah, come on, you're gonna
be our quarterback.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
And then he got bringing two other five stars and
I'm not gonna play.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I'm gonna stick around. Ain't no, I'm gonna stick around.
You telling me a dude around straight draft rights, played
in the summer league, played overseas for five years, and
then gets to come back to college. That's correct, that's crazy,
absolutely crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Eight seven seven ninety.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
College player who never did think he can go back
to high school.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Well, they never played me.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I never stepped foot on the college court, and I
go back to high school.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Could you stop? Come on,
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Okay, let's go here, rob G. The numbers are out
and they're not great.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
The All Star numbers for one Lebron James, Lebron Jamesbron James,
Lebron James.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
This might be the worst birthday president in the history.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Of today's birthday for forty one years of Happy Birthday, Low,
I was gonna say fifty one.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Wow, forty one Yeah, well listen, depending on the play,
he looks fifty one.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
There are some plays out there. That's the only reason
I Saiday can't move.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
And that might primarily be the reason why. For his
forty first birthday, he was gifted the latest the first
edition of the NBA All Star Game voting and Lebron James,
arguably the greatest player in NBA history. What could be
his final season in the NBA. We're expecting the retirement tour,
the Kobe Bryant. They don't love you like that. You
(01:17):
don't get the kind of love. Apparently Lebron don't get
the kind of love because he's finishing right now fifteenth
in NBA All Star voting behind such superstars as Trailblazers
forward Denny Avjia Kazunti.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Who who is right?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Who?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
So if the voting in it today, they have this
weird process. Maybe he gets in, maybe he doesn't. But
the idea that Lebron James could not be voted in
the NBA All Star Game for the first time in
over twenty years very real.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I got a message for Lebron James. Is this on?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
It's on, Lebron James, give the fans a middle finger,
oh my. And if they do you somehow get in,
like by the skin of your two, do not show up,
do not partake? How dare they disrespect you? And what
(02:07):
could possibly be your last year? This is just an exhibition.
This ain't no real basketball. It's an exhibition.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
And worse, it's in Los Angeles the All Star Game.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I know it's into a dome, right, but it's in
Los Angeles, So fans could look at this and go, well,
this could be his last one. It's in LA. Let's,
you know, do this for his lifetime achievement. It ain't
like that. If this was we put the best numbers
in the computer and they give you a number and
(02:40):
those are the people make the All Star then fine,
he doesn't belong there an exhibition game. Do you know
that when Magic Johnson wasn't in the league, the league
put Magic Johnson in the All Star Game?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I covered it in Orlando three Yeah, yeah, after the HIV.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
But but my point is, if you're Lebron, you should
not really be thrilled about what this is, how this
is transpired, because it ain't that real. And the idea
that they're really going to vote who's the guy you
just said, rob g who's ahead of them? Seriously something
(03:22):
Yuku from Portland? I don't know, but you get my point, Like,
really is that what we are?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Come on?
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Man?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
So, if I'm Lebron James, no matter what, if I
skin on my teeth or whatever, do not and ot participate.
Thank you very much for being this disrespectful after all
these years. Yes, I'm here telling Lebron James do not
partake in the All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
First of all, what in the world are you doing
defiting Lebron? I take a few days off and I
don't know who you are. The heck is this thing on?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Is that Ron Parker? Next? What is going on?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I'll say this, this is what I don't even know
what we're doing right now. You say, I don't ever
talk about Lebron, Wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Nagg it.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
If this can happen to Michael Jordan, this can happen
to Lebron.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
This happened to Michael Jordan. Fans did not vote him in.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Of course, the coaches put him in and they put
throw him in the game, and Vince Carter Isaiah Thomas
has to convince him. Hey, fans, come on, man, you
know Michael Jordan's last game. Let him start? Okay, cool,
no produt you know? And he let him start. My
point is Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan, and it happened
to him Lebron, and you know how I feel about him.
He ain't that and this can happen to him. It's
(04:35):
possible for anybody. So to me, I don't view it
as as the indictment on the fans. I think it's
just where we are. He's missed a bunch of games
already this season, I think fourteen of them.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Did you hear the difference between the person that you
mentioned in place of Michael Jordan compared to the guy
who's in front of him now from Portland, from the Trailblazer.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I did, Okay? I did, okay? And I mean one
of us if we played who he played for? Could
name him again? Okay? Can't. I don't know his name.
I don't know who that is it's And.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Maybe if he played all the games, we might be
having a different thing because you've seen more. Maybe there's
more plays you can remember all that. Donk he did this,
But I don't take it as an old, big indictment.
But what I think is gonna happen where I kinda
will meet you halfway. I think Lebron might announce retirement
at the All Star Game. That would be Lebron of
Lebron to go be a little disgrunted didn't get voted
(05:27):
in by the fans.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
After all, I've done for you twenty something seasons. Just
what I am?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
You know, da da da da, And then to take
the moment, hey, Lebron, you know what, not starting, you're
not playing the game right now, but what an honor
you know you're in. The coaches put you in interviewing
him so many years, and I could totally see him saying,
you know, well, you know, yeah, I appreciate the fans
here to let the young boys do what they do.
And by the way, you know, it's good because it's
gonna be my last one. I can because it's happening
(05:52):
in LA. Because the way the offseason win and the
Lakers and him having some you know, little disagreements and all.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
That, knowing the future is Luca dan Get.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
The fans are saying, we'd rather have Austin Reeves than you,
or we'd rather trade you to go get such and such.
I could see Lebron making this moment taking I'm gonna
take a moment.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
You don't want to give me this moment.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'm gonna take this whole entire All Star moment in
LA and announcestand that's what I can say.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
No, I think the best way for Lebron is to
snub everybody, the NBA, the fans, all this other stuff,
to let them know that I see what you've done.
Here the idea that this could be my last All
Star game, and I'm still playing at the numbers that
they put up, that he puts up and All Star numbers. Okay,
(06:35):
the numbers, this is what these numbers. I'm still doing
it at a high level at this age. Whatever you want,
you know, which one is it?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean? And and I just think that to me.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Rather than going along with it and kind of going
there as a parting gift. And the tail tuck between
your legs is totally different then, because Michael Jordan was
on the Wizards, a bad Wizards team, you know what
I mean, that didn't even make the playoffs the two
years he was there. Lebron's on his team with Luca.
(07:10):
Look at the look at the numbers for Luca. Luca's
in the top. Of course he could be a starter.
So those same Laker fans decided not to vote for Lebron. Well, okay,
the other way. They decided to vote for Luca and
Austin Reeds. No, but they decided they could also vote
for Lebron as well, and they decided not to.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Okay, And the other part is we're all his minions.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
We're all these people who will they won't wear his sneakers,
but they'll die at the barbershop about Lebron James. Where
are those people that he would be so far down?
He's still viable, He's still I remember last postseason, I
wouldn't want to see Lebron and Luca. I'm telling you
how well I would look at these teams. Who would
(07:54):
you'd rather take Lebron? And that was just last year.
And now they don't even think he could play in
an exhibition game. Come on, it was all good just
a week ago.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Like jay Z said, I just think it's all like
the Rams who had the top spire.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Hey, hey, hey, don't know sports like that.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
We're talking about disca there in LA, don't we're talking
about the un just telling you all right, no, But
I just think, yeah, I think it's happened to Jordan,
it can clearly happen in Lebron. And also I just
will be I keep an eye on him that weekend.
That would be very Lebron. Of Lebron to take that
moment in LA and make it about him. I could
totally see that.
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Speaker 8 (09:39):
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Speaker 3 (09:42):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Shoot, the fans don't love what the fans don't love Lebron?
Is that where you're going?
Speaker 8 (09:50):
No, I already know where this conversation is going to go.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
How do you know?
Speaker 8 (09:54):
I'm I'm guessing let me share. If I'm right here,
I'm gonna be quiet. I'm gonna let as.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
No, No, you tell us what you what you think
it is?
Speaker 8 (10:01):
Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, I was gonna start with something we talked about earlier,
Lebron being fifteenth currently in voting. Uh and and and
kind of what that means is to say anything I said.
I mean, it happened to Jordan his last year with
the Wizards. If it can happen to Jordan, it can
happen to anybody, Lebron said, And Rob said, blank them
fans Lebron, that's right.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I would give them the middle finger. And I wouldn't go.
I wouldn't show up. I'd said, this is what you're
gonna do. The All Star Game is in LA. I
don't even know the guy from Portland who's ahead of
Lebron in the voting.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I don't even know who that is. I'm just.
Speaker 8 (10:37):
Denny. I DA right now. Was probably the league's most
improved player, if the most improved Player like we're voting
on today, Dinny at Bia will probably winning that award.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Okay, here's my point though, this is this is Lebron
James in an exhibition the world against the United States.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Correct, it's an exhibition. It's not correct.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
It ain't it ain't a If it's it's just about stats,
we wouldn't have fans voting, right, we wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It would be Okay, let's put the stats in.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Here's your war number that they do in baseball, and
people with the best war are going to make this team.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
That's not what we're doing here.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And and that's the part that I can't understand that
people really have turned on Lebron from this standpoint.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
Oh, no question.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I mean, that's that's about it. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
Yes, I I and and and one hundred see what
I'm saying, Rob, I agree with everything you're saying one
hundred percent. But you could have said everything that you
just said without discrediting the year that Denny Aby is having. Okay,
this is one of the reasons for me, This is
one of the reasons for me. I wasn't on board
with the whole USA versus the world there, thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'm with that.
Speaker 8 (11:47):
This is one of the reasons I wasn't on board
with it because now you have guys that are making
the All Star Game, and you have guys they should
make the All Star Game that aren't going to make it.
But I will say this though, Rob, honestly, let let's
keep it a buck here.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (12:00):
Is Lebron an All Star so far?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
No? No, he's not.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
Okay, right, So so, I mean I understand exactly what
you're saying, because realistically speaking, the All Star Game is.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
A popularity that's all it is.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
That That is my point. That that's my point.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
It was like a couple of years ago a d
where they gave players a chance to vote, and one
hundred and twenty five players didn't vote Lebron for the
All Star I mean, like, seriously, where are we?
Speaker 8 (12:29):
That's that's different like that that's personal, right, That's what
I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
But I'm just saying, it's it's an exhibition. That that's
what it is.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I'm surprised you and it being in LA, like that's
the other part.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
It's in LA.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
I'm with it, Okay, I will tell you this. That's
not where I thought you guys were going to start,
all right, Yeah, y'all got me.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Where we're going to start? Tell me, yeah, tell us.
Speaker 8 (12:54):
With the whole Are you okay with the sixty five
game threshold thing? Because Nikola Jokis got hurt? Oh yeah,
now now it's the talking point.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
That's our that's on our list. We got that coming
up next hour. Yeah, that's on our list. You give
us our openion on if you want to. Now, where
are you right?
Speaker 8 (13:13):
I've always been onble Forward. I was calling for this
years ago, years before they put this in place. I
was calling for it, plain and simple because you know,
it's amazing to me how we'd say one thing and
then something goes wrong and then we want to go back.
Like before it was sixty five games, everybody was mad
for players for not playing, and you know what they said,
(13:35):
you know what, you got to put something in place
so players are held accountable for showing up, players are
held accountable for being available. Then they put something in place.
Now a couple guys get hurt. Now, well, you know what,
maybe this isn't the best idea. No it is, because
you should like, being available is a thing, and it
should be a thing. God can't control injuries. You can't
(13:59):
control injury. I am on board with the sixty five
game cut off. What I'm not on board with, and
I never have been on board with, is a guy's
contract being tied to making all NBA or all defensive
all of that. That's what I'm not okay with.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
All right, you know what?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And in baseball, I want to go here, Okay, you
want to win the batting title, right, you need they
have the number, And I think it's fair so that
the guy can't win the batting title and he played
one hundred games and Aaron Judge played one hundred and
forty nine games, you know what I mean? So you
need three point one played appearances per schedule game. If
(14:39):
you don't have that, you can't winqualify. You don't qualify.
And here's the only other caveat that they throwing with
the baseball one. Say you were ten games short of
the number that you need. If they put Zeros in
for those ten games and you still had a higher
(14:59):
bat average, then you could win it. Do you know
what I mean? I like, to me, that's fair because
we don't know what you would have known. We can't
exactly what if we give you zeros and you still
have a high batter the next guy.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
Yeah, so let's let's let's apply that to Let's apply
that to the NBA. Let's say a guy plays forty
three games, right, and now for the next twenty two games,
you give him all the rows across the board.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Right.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
How do you think that looks right?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
But that would look crazy in the NBA is different. Yeah,
the NBA is a whole different. It's a different game.
You one person controls way more than you can in
base And.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I don't know if I don't know if if if
Antonio I told you this before, and maybe I did
because Kelvin likes it and I've seen other people like
on Twitter, I said, to really curtail people from doing that.
And it's not a problem as much as it was
where people sitting out games and resting or whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Is It's real simple. You can you can go out.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Or whatever, you fake it injury or say, you know whatever,
but you have to miss a minimum of three games.
Speaker 8 (16:05):
I've been saying that too.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Okay, you missed three games and that's it.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
So so you can't take that easy game off in
some city because you would have to miss the next
two games at least, and if you're really injured, you're
giving time to get well. I'm not We're not judging
and telling you you're not injured. So if you're injured,
you got to go on the injured list and miss
at least three games.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
That would stop people or if they don't have.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Their an injury or whatever like that, you have to
get zero's in your stat line. Do you know what
that would do to your career averages? And you start
adding zero.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Very conscious of that. That's why they don't play. Fans
ask that all the time.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Why don't they just play ten or twelve minutes and
get out the game because their stats will go down.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
Do you remember the old injury list?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yes, I do, where.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
You miss a game and you had to believe I
believe it was five games that they.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Put you on if they put you on the injured list.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
So they put you on the injured list, and you
missed that game and you had to miss the next.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Force that's how it should be game, and then.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
You had to you had to sit out the next tour.
Like the thing is, if if guys were playing, and
if organization held guys accountable and we're playing guys that
are healthy when they're actually available, we wouldn't even be
at this point, right and we.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Wouldn't have had to come up with the sixty five
because it would have just been was injured.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I believe that was injured.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
Yeah, so you can't. You can't act like this thing
just came from nowhere. No, you know what I mean.
They didn't just come out with sixty five games from nowhere.
They came out sixty five games because they felt like
they needed to do something to hold players accountable for
not being available. And this isn't this is the heel
I will I don't care who gets injured. I don't
care what first, second, third team look like. I don't
(17:51):
care who wins the MVP all of that stuff. I
will always be in favor of giving guys credit that
are available more than guys that aren't, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
What's the biggest surprise to you so far in the
NBA season?
Speaker 8 (18:04):
If you had to Detroit Pistons.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Okay, say that again. My phone The phone was one
more time because we couldn't I hear five. Yeah, I
was gonna ask that you. I'm going to that game
against the Lakers. What what I mean.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
The thing is, it's the biggest surprise. We knew that
they would be they would be competitive after the way
that they ended last year. Take Cunningham is trajecting in
the right direction, but for them to be second in
the Eastern Conference, I mean first in the Eastern Conference.
Like at this point of the year, the year's almost
half over. We're not talking about a small samples idea.
(18:40):
We're not talking about ten or fifteen games.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
You got them in the conference, you got them in
the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
I would not be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I want you to make a pick yes or no
right now. If I asked you, will the Pistons just
from what you see and you say not a small
sample size?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Will the Pistons be in the Eastern Conference Finals? Yes
or no? That's all I want. Yes or no, that's
all I want right now.
Speaker 8 (19:04):
Rob, I'll say yes. But you know that's the wrong
question to ask in December.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
No, I'm just asking. I know there's a long way
to go.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
I'm gonna tell you all right. Number one because it
is a long way to go, and number two because
it's a lot of trade that's gonna happen prior to
the trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Ya movement, that's still going to happen, Okay. I just
want to hear what you are on that it will
be okay.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
I would be okay picking the Detrade Pistons to go
to the Eastern Conference Finals. By what I've seen.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So far, Nick's Pistons will be great.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I want you to know, uh that before the football
season started, he did not ask you this, So I
just want to tell him that too. I said that
the Lions would not make the playoffs and the Chiefs
would not make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I ain't wish a merry Christmas.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
And I'm gonna sit here right now and I'll bet
Kelvin a paired another pair of Jordan's that the Pistons
will not nt be in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
We will talk the day with that.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
That's trade, Yeah, Rob, that's not that's not the same.
That's not the same. Like saying they won't be in
the Eastern Conference finals. That's not saying much did they
make Why it's still a successful season.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I didn't say that the season wouldn't be successful.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I'm talking about what that would they take a leak
from not winning a playoff series in fifteen years to
go into the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
No, okay, that's what I'm saying, Antonio.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
When was the last time they won? Rob with the
Pistons being where they make the.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Second round, they could make the second round depending on
the mat show.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
No, no, no, Rob, I'm gonna do what you did.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Mean, Yeah, there you go, there you go? What late
late late boy? Ad, don't worry about it. I got
him idea and we appreciate that's.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Immediately.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Okay, hey, happy to have you hear your fellows, no
doubt the best man.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
We love it.
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Speaker 5 (21:09):
Yeah, this is the gift that keeps on giving in
the world of college sports. This all kind of started well,
started years ago over be honest, but this really has
hit a crest in the last week and a half.
And that is because on Christmas Eve, Baylor announced that
they would be signing the thirty first pick in the
twenty twenty three NBA draft, a young man by the
(21:29):
name of James Naji. To their active roster. The reason
why this is important is because even though Nausey was
drafted thirty first overall, he played in the NBA Summer League.
In fact, he was part of the Karl Anthony Towns
trade that sent him to the Knicks. He never actually
played in an NBA game, and he spent the last
five years instead playing in the EuroLeague, which means, in
(21:53):
a roundabout way, because he never actually played in the NBA,
he is eligible maintained is eligibility to play in college.
This has led a number of college coaches to get
real up in arms about it. Last week it was
Tom Izzo. Earlier today it was John Calipari. Take a
listen to coach cal on the subject.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Well, look, I don't blame coaches. You know, I've got
friends that are playing with twenty seven year olds and
they feel bad. I said, don't feel bad. We don't
have any rules. Why should you feel bad? But let
me give you this real simple. The rules bes the rules.
So if you put your name in the draft, I
(22:36):
don't care if you're from Russia and you stay in
the draft, you can't play college basketball. Well that's only
for American kids. What if your name is in that
draft and you got drafted, you can't play because that's
our rule. Yeah, but that's only for American kids. Okay, Okay,
(22:58):
now here's the next lawsuit. Well, we don't have a
say over European players. You do if they're playing in
college basketball. So that means you don't have a say
over high school kids. So whatever a high school kid
does before he comes here, don't you do one thing
because there's a suit, Because what you're saying is if
(23:19):
he's in Europe, we don't have the same rules.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
All right, Rob, Do you have an update from the.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, so this clip obviously went viral. We'll get to
here in a second. But in the wake of this,
the NCUBLEA has released a statement with regards to the
whole situation. NCAA President Charlie Baker says, in part quote,
the NCUBLEA has not and will not grant eligibility to
any prospective or returning student athletes who have signed an
(23:47):
NBA contract. This includes a two way contract. Somehow, some way,
Nagi's in the gray area where he got neither, so
he's eligible.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Okay, And I'm gonna say this, Kelvin. These coaches are
such hypocrites, they really are. And what they used to
do the kids was they used to punish kids who
wanted to enter the draft, even if they didn't have
an agent, or even if they didn't get drafted. You
know what they used to tell those kids, tough luck,
you cannot come back to college basketball.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
They didn't have an agent and they weren't drafted. They
thought their stock was higher. They didn't get drafted. Why
shouldn't you be able to come back. It was punishment.
It was trying to scare the kids from trying to
better themselves and taking a chance in life. And now
the whole idea is to punish this kid hasn't played.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
You could play around the NBA. When you go look
in the NBA stats and ask a guy is he
get an NBA pension? Does he get an NBA pension?
I would assume not.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
No, he hasn't played in the NBA. There's a lot
of guys who played in summer league and they wore
uniform they didn't play in the league.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I hate to break it to you, I don't remember
these guys.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Tom Izzo and all these other people coaches doing all
the stuff that they do all the money that they made.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
John Coler Perry being so worked up that Rick Patino
school had prostitutes in the dorm and all that other
stuff and all the other penalties and punishment for them.
I don't remember those press conferences. I don't remember them
coming out and saying this is awful. The reason that
(25:39):
college for college basketball is where they are is because
of greed. They never wanted to share with the players.
They used to penalize players. Who penalizes as a kid
who wants to go back to college he wasn't drafted.
Oh I don't know you. How dare you put yourself
(26:00):
in the draft?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
How dare you? You're not coming back here? That's that's education,
that we're denying kids a chance to come back to college.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
That's why I understand this, and I and I and
the NCAA. They would have a problem, especially with ni
l and money now that they give people to deny
this kid a chance to play, they would lose because
he hadn't signed an NBA contract. And that's what the
rules say. That this is not before where if you
(26:33):
just he's talking about old rules, those were the old rules.
So I don't have an issue with it. The NCAA,
I think if they finally got it right and they
understand where they are. This is not amateur sports anymore.
Anybody who thinks so, you're your kid and yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Which is why we were talking here. I wrote down
n cuaa's days are numbered. Their days are numbers. They're
already there. You talk about the phrase on the clock,
they're a big time on the clock because a broke
clock is right twice a day. And John Keller Perry.
While I disagree with some things over his tenure that
he said or done this time, I think some of
what he was saying was right. So first of all, Robersie,
(27:10):
what's the kid's name again? That's kind of in the
midst of all of this, James Naji Nagy Nagy, you
can't come back, rob I totally disagree. It's one thing.
The first point you made, I get put my name
in the draft. Just want to see where I am.
Just see what's okay?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Cool. I'm straight. I'm staying.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
You never really left. You leave, you've been going five years.
Get you go play pro overseas, you get in a
G league, part of a trade in the NBA. You
are a gone official. You cannot come back to college.
I watched March Madness this past last year, and I
saw more dudes on those courts that I'm looking like,
did I go to high.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
School with him?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
And I'm twenty some years older than most of those players.
That's how old some of these kids look. That part
of it's gone too far. He brought up a great
point as well. If you're kind of saying, well, that's
over there, that's overseas, then you gotta keep your hands
out of high school. Kids could not go to college
because under Armour and Nike sent them a bunch of
clothes and stuff to wear. I can be a billboard
for you, Rob, but what I can't do is have
(28:09):
five hundred pair of shoes that you sent me over
a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You know what I can't do.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I can't sell one measly pair because now I'm ineligible.
Like that's crazy. The NC double A rule here, no
rule there. Transfer here, but don't transfer there. Go overseas
and play. But what you can come back? Don't go
but get an agent. You can't come back. The NC
DOUBLEA does not know what they're doing, and it is
becausing chaos and it is hurting the game. And you
and I were talking off the air a little bit, Dude.
(28:33):
I remember watching games and you knew the teams they
were replaying because of they were replaying Duke recently the
Christian lay everybody hates Christian later dot And you saw
him and Bobby Hurley and Gray Hill all.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
These years and you knew it, you loved it.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You saw him losing the UNLV that came back, they
bounced back, and it's losing that luster. So I'm happy
do what you want to get paid to the players.
I'm not knocking that portion of it. But the NC DOUBLEA,
by overcompensating, has created this concept by never paying players.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Not over compensating. It says, it's states, you can't sign
a contract. He didn't sign a car. To make sure
I'm correct, he didn't sign a car. Did you tell
me that man was part of a trade for Carl Anthony.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Town He's draft rights, his rights.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Right, draft right.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
What I'm saying it and I'm not rob I'm saying,
once you get part of draft rights, no, once you're
part of the G League at summer leagues, what do
we look at it?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Look up his name on old time NBA players in
the NBA. I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
If you looked at it, disagreeing's not listed. But I
didn't play in the league. Didn't play one minute in
the NBA. You go to the G League if you're
part of trades rights and we have rights over and
you go play overseas and the pro anks. You can't
come back to them. You can come back and get
education because college is for anybody. We got seventy year
olds of going back. You don't got to play on
my team, Rob jam On back.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
How old was Chris wink when he won the Highs
twenty six.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
No.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Twenty eight? He was twenty eight years old playing college football?
Stop it twenty eight?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
You you on my point.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I just said, we've said too many old people know
what My point is that it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
This play, it doesn't matter. But this kid did. That's
what this kid did not play in the NBA. He
plays the Eligibility League. It doesn't matter. NBA, that's their league.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
College players play with pro players all the time and
you are in LA come hoop with this No, but
that's that's the same league.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I don't mind, it's the same exact thing because none
of the stats count. None of it counts, none of
it count. You are on the or you would know
you in the NBA. It's the summer league.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Are you in the NBA when you play in the
summer I'm asking you. I'm really saying that no answer. No,
Kelvin Man, you are, dude.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
If I have my own thing, did not players we've
invited to come to this thing where intigerately has the
NBA PS NBA fright to he has the NBA, he's
in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Met why not you said he's in the league. He's
in the league. He hes not in the league he is.
He is because he's no longer an amateur. He college.
He's not in the leason. To me, that's an easy no.
It says if you signed the contract, you can't play.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And I also agree, real simple and I also afreciate
right with the transfer he talked to we didn't really
play that much on the clip he talked about you
get one free transfer, you don't why and as coaches
as long as it's the same thing with coaches, meaning
you can't sign a four or five year deal and
then leave a year or two.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I got a question for you. I'm not even gonna
ask you. I want to ask Bob G. Do the
players transfer themselves to other teams or the coaches accept them?
You keep right, the coaches accept them. No, but it
ain't that. If you coaches don't want it, don't go
take transfers. If that's if you have an issue with it.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
He literally just said, on your seat, I got coaches
feeling back that they're playing twenty seven years.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
That's the rule that I mean, that's what he said.
But you don't have to accept the transfer. And what
world are we?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Are we not going to do something whatever? I'm not
blaming the kids. I'm not blaming the kids nothing. I'm saying,
here's my new rule.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Tell the kids not to tell the coaches not to
take them. They won't be able to because here's my
new rule. Terrible, you get a transfer. Otherwise you can
transfer again, Rob, you can these coaches get up on
these players. All I just said, as long as the
coaches are the same thing, good luck, then then then
it stays the same. These kids have a right the
coach lees or they I'm with you, and they lie
(32:29):
to them. They say, oh yeah, come on, you're gonna
be our quarterback.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
And then he got bringing two other five stars and
I'm not gonna play.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I'm gonna stick around. Ain't no, I'm gonna stick around.
You telling me a dude around straight draft rights, played
in the summer league, played overseas for five years, and
then gets to come back to college. That's correct, that's crazy,
absolutely crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Eight seven seven ninety.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
College player who never did think he can go back
to high school.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Well, they never played me.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I never stepped foot on the college court, and I
go back to high school.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Could you stop? Come on,
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