July 30, 2019 • 26 mins
It's the Best of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob debate whether LeBron James was being an enthusiastic father or a fame monger when he ran on the floor during his son's AAU game last weekend, and explain why they want Saints fans to stop complaining about the blown pass interference call from last season's NFC Championship Game. And, things get heated between Rob and former NFL general manager Charley Casserly as the guys debate the validity of Ezekiel Elliott's training camp holdout.
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You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brush and Rod Harker. You know who does kicktail.
Who's up? Lebron Junior and his AAU team. They smash folks,
all right, They win titles. They went to Las Vegas recently,
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I guess it was last weekend maybe, and they won
the AU fourteen and under championship for that tournament whatever
it was. Dunks impressive, dunks fourteen and under. It it's
on Ali Oops and guys aching him in Duncan and
Lebron James excited to see not only his son but
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his teammates doing work. Just goes on the court, is
hyped up, he's in the dunk line. He's hyped up.
He's you know, cheering and chest bumping the teammates. And
I think it's fine. I mean, you know, a little
over zealous perhaps, but overall just fine, and he is
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getting crushed for it by some on social media. Some
in regular traditional media are criticizing him, saying he is
a fame monger. He is just addicted to fame and
he needs to sit down and let his son enjoy
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and soak up the spotlight. I'm gonna let you share
your view, Rob, I really want to hear what you
have to say about this, and then I'll share. My
biggest thing is if if it was another father, and
first of all, Lebron as much as he wants to
show love to his son, that's beautiful. It's a beautiful thing.
I watched Cecil Fielder and Prince Fielder together, Chris, when
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I was in Detroit. I saw a Prince Fielder grow
up before my eyes, and I had plenty of meals
hung out with them. Cecil couldn't have been more proud
of Prince Fielder. Okay, so I get that. I've seen
it up close. I thought to myself, I've never seen
a father love his son more than I saw Cecil
Fielder love Prince Fielder, Chris. When Cecil was a big
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star in baseball and he would get national TV spots
guess who was in the commercials. He had his son
written in every commercial McDonald's everything. That's how much he
was all about Prince. Okay, so I'm not I've seen it.
He's not. He's not the first. But the problem is,
and people can talk about all other things, a monger
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and all that. I just think that what he loses
sight of, that's his son and his teammates a moment,
and if what should stop? If Lebron does that, why
can't the other twelve dads run out on the court
and bump with their kids and when they get an
alley you pass or something. Do you see? It's just
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that you can't open it up for everybody. Everybody can't
do that. All dads would love to be a part
of it, Lebron. Yeah, yeah, most would pity. I'm just
saying what I'm saying. Once you open the floodgates for that,
and that's why you can't allow it to happen. Lebron
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has to restrain. It's the same thing how used to
umpire Little League. It's all I get it. You know,
if you want to come out and fight the umpire,
you want to yell and curse out, No, you gotta
stop that nippet in the bud. Lebron doesn't belong on
the chord. Even with his son. You could stay on
the sidelines, Chris and cheer and do all the other stuff.
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I think it's great. There's nothing wrong with enthusiasm. Lebron
overstepped his boundaries. Parents don't along on the court ever,
they don't, well they don't. The thing I'll agree with
you on is that the one time I think Lebron
went overboard was when the after the kid de Or Johnson,
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who by the way, came to Lebron's defense on Twitter,
said he's taught him a lot, not only on the court,
but off the court. And I'm sure he has. He
sent a bunch of pictures out there on Instagram and
all that Twitter, Instagram, whatever it was. Anyway, Lebrun he
got an allue dunk this kid de Or Johnson. Lebron
was so excited that he went out on the court
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and lost his shoe celebrate. Now, I'll give you that
no parents should be on the court, so that's what
I'll get. But the rest I take issue with number one.
But he did want it, didn't He didn't he jump
up and I think play was done at that point.
He was on the court though. Yeah, but if it's
a time out or something. I mean, I didn't even
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have a big problem with it. But here's my thing, Rob,
we can't act like you you compare to well, wouldn't
every dad like to do that? Once you open the
door and Lebron James is not every dad. It gets
as simple as that. That does That does matter because
when Lebron James walks in the gym, he could be
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have a hoodie on his head, he could be trying
to be as incognito as possible, if that's possible for
a six nine guys sixty and the whole gymnasium is
going to turn and look at Lebron James. But but
I'm gonna tell you, Chris, he's not the first dad
who's had a kid or form a star player. Uh
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And and I can't call there are very few that
have ever been as big as him. No, I get it,
but I don't remember other people where get where they
interfere or get on the court. And you could, you could,
you could, I'll give you the court. I'm give you that.
But that's my biggest problem getting killed. Well, but that's
my problem. I'm will kill for being in the dunk line.
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I just think, why should he be on the court.
And I'm just saying in the of course, she shouldn't
be there. That's where that's where the kids should be here,
he shouldn't be there. Here's what I say about that.
Number One, if I'm Lebron, I would certainly talk to
my son about that and see if he's cool with it,
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heart to heart, honest, Brianie. Look if if if it
bothers you, I'm out there in the dunk line, dunking
with you guys and all that. Let me know. I'm
telling you I don't want to steal any shine from you.
I will stop it because if Ronnie is cool with it,
and if your relationship with your child is where it
should be, then your child's gonna be able to share
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with you. You know, Dad, Yeah, I do. You know.
It does bother me a little. I wish you just
kind of sit down. You should be able to say that.
So other than that, here's the thing, Rob, we can
look at it just from a narrow perspective. If little
Lebron is cool with it, then think about the people
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in the crowd. What they're getting to see. Who knows
how many of those people ever get to go to
an NBA game, let alone a Lakers game or a
Calves game when Lebron was there a Miami Whoever, how
many people get to see Lebron James up close and personal.
If I were in the crowd and Lebron James, or
back in the day, doctor Jay or you know, Michael
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Jordan or somebody was putting on the Dunk Show in
the layup line, I would be excited. I would love
to see it. And furthermore, as a kid playing ball,
if Doctor Jay got in my leg upline and was
hyped and doing ducks, I wouldn't be thinking, Wow, I'm
sucking my shine. I'd be excited. Chris, he can do
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that when they have practice. I'm sure he spent time
around the kids. Lebron James is the same person when
he got into an altercation underneath the basket, who told
his own mom to sit the hell down. Do you
remember that she was she was getting it would be
was being protected by the like the language he used
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to your mom. But I'm ever saying that to my mind,
but still, but she was protected, But she was also
getting in an altercation, so it's different. Un No, My
point was he didn't he could have got hurt. He
didn't believe she should have been out there when that
was going on. It's just funny that now he's cool
with running out there. He had a sneaker. That's what if.
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What if a kid got hurt? Rob, she was about
to get in an alteration. No, you're missing. My point
for him was a it was a celebratory thing. He
was doing shit. And again I'm with you, g gotta
stay off the court. I'm with you on that. But
if he's look and you brought up Cecil Fielder, let's
keep it and I agree Cecil you we saw the
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commercials with Prince and it was great. But let's keep
it a hundred Rob. If Lebron James had his children
in every single commercial or eighty percent of him that
he did, people would be criticizing him for that. He's
always parading his family around, using his kids to get more.
But you know, everything Lebron does, there is a good
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number of people that are gonna find fault with it.
But there's but there's also a degree that Lebron just
because he is a star and I get all that.
How big of a star is. There's a time and
place for everything, and he you don't have to as
a coach if I'm the coach. Dude, I get it.
Can you stay off the court. You don't belong out
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on the court. Your sneaker came off, Maybe you interfere
with play, Maybe we gotta text with all that stuff.
I'm rich over the top, and I think that's if
that's my criticism is he doesn't belong out there. He
really doesn't, and Lebron knows better. I get it. Your kid,
you want to celebrate with him, you want to spend
some There's plenty of that if you want to do that.
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Here's the same guy who doesn't want to be in
the NBA dunk contest, but he's in some AAU dunk contest.
Dunking with kids. Don't contest stated. I'm just saying stated
to sell your point. I'm just making a point that
he got time for that. Well, one thing I'll say
is this, and you I think you'll agree with me,
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and I get I think people mean well. And even
the kid, the Or Johnson said this. He hadn't seen
his father, and I think he said four years. I
think people mean well when they say, well, a lot
of dads aren't even there, and you know, my dad
wasn't there, so so it's great to see Lebron doing that.
They said the same thing with LaVar Ball. You know,
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I would say this again. I think they mean well,
but let I don't really want to hear that because
it lowers them. I don't think that anyone would say
that if it were a white parent out there, If
Kevin Love was out there doing that, nobody would say,
oh what, There're so many fathers that aren't there's just
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good to see him doing that dunk though. That's the problem.
I think that lowers the bar for black fatherhood when
you're gonna no, I don't think Lebron's doing anything wrong
other than getting on the court, you know, when the celebrations,
but when you just I don't want to hear that
just because the black father's in the picture, he might
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be acting like a complete ass and people will say, well,
he's there. At least he's there. I don't want to
hear that because I know we got a father's crisis,
and there's a lot of factors in that with the
black community, but there's also studies that show black fathers
are more involved than any other race of fathers, And
so I don't want the bar lowered to the point
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where wild just because you if you black. Heck, just
being in your kid's life is reason for applause. No,
I don't want to hear that. I just I think
there's boundaries, and I think there's nothing wrong with being
excited for your kid. I just don't think. I think
what Lebron did he stepped over the line when he
ran out onto the court. That's that's my biggest argument.
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And you agree with me, but that was a small part.
I mean, people are killing him for the dunk contest
or dunk line I'll see you said it contest. Be
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iHeart Radio app. Let's get to some NFL talk. We
got the former NFL general manager, current NFL network analyst
does great work, Charlie Castley joining us. Charlie, Welcome to
the outs Happening. Hey, guys, how are you doing it?
We're great, We're great now you were at Giants training
camp recently and you are very high on Daniel Jones.
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Tell us why you like him so much. I don't
think you've seen anything in camp to, you know, change
your feelings. And the thing is, I don't understand why
you're like. They've come out and said, it's not an
open competition at QB. It's Eli man. He's gonna be
the starter. So tell us about Daniel Jones and how
you think this will play out if, if he really
is that good, Eli is gonna start. I think the
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way it plays out is this. Elie starts, he plays well,
he keeps a job, he doesn't play well. Jones comes in.
If they get out of contention at some point, whatever
point you're determined they're out of contention, I think they
move on to Jones at that point in time. Now.
That's what I see happening now. And that's just my opinion.
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But History show was as kind of the way people
in the handle the situations m Jones or in college.
I liked his vision, I liked his anticipation. I thought
he was the best in the draft in that area.
I didn't think he necessarily had a top arm, but
I liked his mobility, and I liked his ability to anticipate.
Like I said, and that can get the ball out quick,
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um and get it before the receiver turns. Um. You
don't have to have a big arm. Joe Montana didn't
have a big arm. Okay, be a great anticipation. Now
my comparents got a Joe Montana. But I hope not. Wow,
No we're not. It's it's anticipation. Though Greg Johnson won
a Super Bowl two a four thousand yards with us
in Washington. He had great anticipation, So you know that
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that's that's a secret to a guy that maybe not
have a top arm. All the Giants don't have an
issue with his arm. And I watched him to say,
and I thought, you know, I didn't really see much
of an issue with the arm either in practice. So
most they were storing mostly a short game they worked
on today. Charlie, here's a part I don't understand. I
get it. Eli one two super Bowls. They had parades
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for him. He's an icon, Giants legend. I get all that,
all that you can't take away, but why do they
continue to move forward when we've seen I think the
last four or five years. He just hasn't played well.
And you could make all excuses about the offensive line
and this and that and all the other things. Other
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great quarterbacks have finished up in other places. Right, we
saw Joe Montana get moved out for somebody younger, we've
seen We've seen Brett Farve played somewhere else. They moved
on from Peyton Manning. What is the Eli thing? And
why can't they move past him? Wow, this is the
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first time they've had an altar. Let's start there because
they haven't had an alter of it, so now they
have a potential alter it. But I think what they're
looking at is there's a faction that feels different than
what you expressed about. That's whether he like and play
productive or not. There's a group there that feels he
can't play productive. However, they acknowledge the fact they've got
to move on at some point getting on the quarterback.
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So they took Jones. Remember when he came in, he
didn't start to midway through the season, So I think
you're just throwing that guy in there before you knew
what you really had. Let's go with Eli. Let's go
with it, and then eventually Jones is going to come
in and play at some point this year. It's the
Eye couple. We're joined by Charlie Castley, the former NFL
GM now the analyst for NFL Network. Speaking of throwing
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a guy in there in Miami, Brian Flores came out
and said that Ryan Fitzpatrick is the leader, and he
made it clear it doesn't even seem that close. He's
the clear leader for the fight for starting QB with
Josh Rosen right now. How do you see that playing out?
Because I don't doubt if Fitzpatrick is out playing him
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in training camp, but Fitzpatrick's not the few and you
gotta see what Rosen can do. I would imagine it.
So unless he's just completely atrocious, I would think you'd
go with him. How do you see things playing out
in Miami at the QB. I think you got two
concepts yet. One Chloris is trying to establish a culture.
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One of the things he wants to establish his competition.
Everybody has to earn everything all the time, so he
can't go back on something that's obvious right now that
Fitzpatrick's ahead of Rosen. And I've gotten that too, so
we all know what Fitzpatrick's history is and last year,
I mean, the guy was start off phenomenal with the bucks.
What happens They'll have one of those big interceptions, right,
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he turns into a pumpkin. You know that we've said
that it's going to happen again. DNA. He's gonna force
the wall sometimes and he's gonna be ran with his
rose and he's gonna have interceptions and turnovers. At that
point they make a decision that they feel rosendosen up
or you know, hey, let's just take a look at him.
Rosen will have his opportunity. His job is to be ready.
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I can see what they're saying. Uh. And like I said,
the information I got is the saying that Lois has
said that there's a clear difference right now, but we
all know at some point Fitz is going to give
him a reason to draft eventually. Do you like Rosen?
Do you like Rosen his future? Nah? I gotta be
honest with you. Um, if I'm Miami, I'm drafting a
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quarterback next year? Wow? How about this? Now? Now, you
had talked to some sources and people who weren't that
high on Kyler Murray. Uh, do you have you seen
any of him? So far, and uh, do you stand
behind like what those guys were, what the people you
talked to about him? And what kind of a season
are you anticipating for him in Arizona's rookie year. Well,
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let's clarify. What was said to me is his interview
was not good. Right, No, that's what I said that
that's an interview. That doesn't mean he can't play football. Okay,
So there's a difference there. So the interview wasn't good.
I came back and said on television there were players
that are one playoff games that didn't have good interviews
in the combine. All I was stating is, here's what
happened with the interview. I think this is the biggest
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story in the NFL on opening day and in the
month of September. Because you've got a five foot ten
quarterback who's phenomenal ability, great speed, get a head coach
coming in with a losing record in college but a
bright offensive mine gonna unveil a system that isn't normally
seen in the NFL. So traditionally, these systems have an advantage.
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Early defences kept catch up to him. Chief Kelly. Probably
the most recent example, Steven Lamar Jackson. Last year, the
Chargers caught up when the by the end of the
season shut down the option game. So I think the
guy has a chance to be successful. Can he take hits?
Can he stay healthy? If he doesn't have success, can
he mentally handle that when Sky can go play Major
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League baseball? That's kind of the only unknown about him. So,
but I mean that to me, that's the biggest story
in opening days. What these guys look like. Charlie. We
got to ask you about Ezekiel Elliott before we let
you go. Um. I think the signing the Morris by
the Cowboys could signal that Jerry Jones ready to play hardball.
And I don't know if they would trade him or
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maybe ready to stay this season or go deep into
this without him. How do you see this playing out
and how does the signing the Morris kind of affect it? Well,
he's got to have somebody to line up and play with,
because you know, this guy's not there. I would have
in the draft in the second round, I would have
taken a runner or a receiver, but probably a receiver
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because Jerry's in a tough spot. Jury has been more
than fair to his play as he's paid all his
good player as well. This guy's violating his contract and
he's dead and raw. He has no business to be
in Mexico. He should be in camp. Yeah, but wait
a minute, let me say this, Charlie though, but the
CPA works against the running backs. They burn out the
running backs early and then these guys don't get paid.
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Why shouldn't he want to get paid? Hey, these players
voted for free agency after four years. They they got
a franchise tag. I have no sympathy they voted for
this agreement. Would you agree it's a bad agreement, Charlie,
Would you agree with that agreement? It's a ton of money. No,
they're not not running back, so I'm making a ton
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of money. That's why the running backs are the ones
who are door holding out. They have to hold good.
The good ones make money. The good ones make money. Okay,
so you're saying, you're saying that what's good? You say
you say Bell lost money. If he would have got
hurt out of here, Charlie, if you couldould have got
hurt last year, Levon, But you wouldn't be saying that.
And the same thing with Ezekiel Elliot. You're saying he's
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not a good running back because he's holding out. No,
I said he's a good I never said any about
his ability. That's a great player. He's a contract none
of the contract. I said. Contracts are made to be broken.
It happens all the time. Yeah, that that's that's a
worthless statement. What ownership do? It doesn't ownership cut people
with contracts. Guess what. They become free agents. But they
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could make money. But do they cut them? They don't
make money. What do they cut them? Is what I'm
asking you. Sure they do, Okay, so that's but they
break the contiberia something. But they break the contracts, is
all I'm saying. It's been done the other way, Charlie.
We know it. They become free agents, they can go
they can go shop the services make money someplace else. So, Charlie,
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they get a guaranteed contract, they get guaranteed money, and
that guaranteed money is what they get, and that guaranteed
money is paid. This guy's in violation of his contract.
He should be in camp. Now. The bigger question is
this kay um Dak Prescott's gonna make far more money
than his work. He's not a thirty million dollar quarterback.
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I mean, do you think he's an upper echeline quarterback. No,
I wouldn't pay him thirty in Dallas because of the
because of the franchise tag and the agreement. So so
he's going to be overpaid because of the because of
the labor agreement. Okay, Jerry's in a tough spot because
he needs these three guys to win a championship. Yes,
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important guy is Zeke. He's the He's the catalyst for
the whole football team. It's not Dak or Cooper. They're compliments.
So so you know you I agree, I agree with
I agree with you man. I think at some point
that's why I would have drafted a running back. But
I really would have drafted a receiver to have a
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leverage on Cooper because I figured Zeke will make his money. Frascott,
you have no choice to pay him. Um, you'd like
to pay Cooper, but if you had to take one
short and you got to receiver, maybe you could develop
a receiver. All right, thank you so much. Great, we
had we had some good stuff going. No, it was great.
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All We'll get you on in the future. Be sure
to catch live editions of the Odd Couple with Chris
Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four
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There's a story out there that has Rob Parker riled up,
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and the New Orleans Saints are involved. They just won't
go away. A Louisiana State Civil District Court judge ordered
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and three referees, three officials from
the January NFC title game between the Saints and the Rams.
We all know what happened. There was an egregious pass
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interference played that was missed, hurt the Saints and the
Rams going to win the game and reached the Super Bowl.
And now Goodell and three officials from that have been
deposed and they're gonna have to answer questions about it.
And here's the thing. Rob, the attorney who filed the
he's a legend fraud by the officials. He's only asking
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for seventy five thousand dollars and he wants that money
to be donated to the former Saints star Steve Gleason's charity.
I think the league. I mean, I'd rather just give
him seventy five grand and have to and not have
to go through the hassle of going to Louisiana and
answering these questions. Can't do it because because once you
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open up that can of worms, you're gonna be in trouble.
So that's why they have to go with getting in
a waste of time. I get it. It is a
waste and stop in New Orleans. Stop it. You lost.
It was a bad call. We got it. You know what,
if you keep this up, I'm gonna put a voodoo
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curse on the Saints. I hope the Saints. If you
keep it up, keep pringing this up, I hope this
Saints never win another Super Bowl. How's that? You better
stop up it now? All right? Already it's not gonna
be reversed. The super Bowl is come and gone. We
can't approach the field. We can't go back in time.
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Stop and let it go. But I won't go as
far as you because I'm from Louisiana and I do
want to see the Saints win another Super Bowl in
my lifetime. But you're right, this is ridiculous. I think
the Utah jash should actually sue uh that Michael Jordan
committed an offensive fame on that game winner against Brian
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Russell as he did and they won the game. I
mean it's yea, let it go New Orleans. You're embarrassing
yourself and all the people from Louisiana. Let it go.
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You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brush and Rod Harker. You know who does kicktail.
Who's up? Lebron Junior and his AAU team. They smash folks,
all right, They win titles. They went to Las Vegas recently,
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I guess it was last weekend maybe, and they won
the AU fourteen and under championship for that tournament whatever
it was. Dunks impressive, dunks fourteen and under. It it's
on Ali Oops and guys aching him in Duncan and
Lebron James excited to see not only his son but
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his teammates doing work. Just goes on the court, is
hyped up, he's in the dunk line. He's hyped up.
He's you know, cheering and chest bumping the teammates. And
I think it's fine. I mean, you know, a little
over zealous perhaps, but overall just fine, and he is
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getting crushed for it by some on social media. Some
in regular traditional media are criticizing him, saying he is
a fame monger. He is just addicted to fame and
he needs to sit down and let his son enjoy
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and soak up the spotlight. I'm gonna let you share
your view, Rob, I really want to hear what you
have to say about this, and then I'll share. My
biggest thing is if if it was another father, and
first of all, Lebron as much as he wants to
show love to his son, that's beautiful. It's a beautiful thing.
I watched Cecil Fielder and Prince Fielder together, Chris, when
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I was in Detroit. I saw a Prince Fielder grow
up before my eyes, and I had plenty of meals
hung out with them. Cecil couldn't have been more proud
of Prince Fielder. Okay, so I get that. I've seen
it up close. I thought to myself, I've never seen
a father love his son more than I saw Cecil
Fielder love Prince Fielder, Chris. When Cecil was a big
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star in baseball and he would get national TV spots
guess who was in the commercials. He had his son
written in every commercial McDonald's everything. That's how much he
was all about Prince. Okay, so I'm not I've seen it.
He's not. He's not the first. But the problem is,
and people can talk about all other things, a monger
(03:00):
and all that. I just think that what he loses
sight of, that's his son and his teammates a moment,
and if what should stop? If Lebron does that, why
can't the other twelve dads run out on the court
and bump with their kids and when they get an
alley you pass or something. Do you see? It's just
(03:22):
that you can't open it up for everybody. Everybody can't
do that. All dads would love to be a part
of it, Lebron. Yeah, yeah, most would pity. I'm just
saying what I'm saying. Once you open the floodgates for that,
and that's why you can't allow it to happen. Lebron
(03:44):
has to restrain. It's the same thing how used to
umpire Little League. It's all I get it. You know,
if you want to come out and fight the umpire,
you want to yell and curse out, No, you gotta
stop that nippet in the bud. Lebron doesn't belong on
the chord. Even with his son. You could stay on
the sidelines, Chris and cheer and do all the other stuff.
(04:07):
I think it's great. There's nothing wrong with enthusiasm. Lebron
overstepped his boundaries. Parents don't along on the court ever,
they don't, well they don't. The thing I'll agree with
you on is that the one time I think Lebron
went overboard was when the after the kid de Or Johnson,
(04:31):
who by the way, came to Lebron's defense on Twitter,
said he's taught him a lot, not only on the court,
but off the court. And I'm sure he has. He
sent a bunch of pictures out there on Instagram and
all that Twitter, Instagram, whatever it was. Anyway, Lebrun he
got an allue dunk this kid de Or Johnson. Lebron
was so excited that he went out on the court
(04:53):
and lost his shoe celebrate. Now, I'll give you that
no parents should be on the court, so that's what
I'll get. But the rest I take issue with number one.
But he did want it, didn't He didn't he jump
up and I think play was done at that point.
He was on the court though. Yeah, but if it's
a time out or something. I mean, I didn't even
(05:15):
have a big problem with it. But here's my thing, Rob,
we can't act like you you compare to well, wouldn't
every dad like to do that? Once you open the
door and Lebron James is not every dad. It gets
as simple as that. That does That does matter because
when Lebron James walks in the gym, he could be
(05:35):
have a hoodie on his head, he could be trying
to be as incognito as possible, if that's possible for
a six nine guys sixty and the whole gymnasium is
going to turn and look at Lebron James. But but
I'm gonna tell you, Chris, he's not the first dad
who's had a kid or form a star player. Uh
(05:58):
And and I can't call there are very few that
have ever been as big as him. No, I get it,
but I don't remember other people where get where they
interfere or get on the court. And you could, you could,
you could, I'll give you the court. I'm give you that.
But that's my biggest problem getting killed. Well, but that's
my problem. I'm will kill for being in the dunk line.
(06:20):
I just think, why should he be on the court.
And I'm just saying in the of course, she shouldn't
be there. That's where that's where the kids should be here,
he shouldn't be there. Here's what I say about that.
Number One, if I'm Lebron, I would certainly talk to
my son about that and see if he's cool with it,
(06:41):
heart to heart, honest, Brianie. Look if if if it
bothers you, I'm out there in the dunk line, dunking
with you guys and all that. Let me know. I'm
telling you I don't want to steal any shine from you.
I will stop it because if Ronnie is cool with it,
and if your relationship with your child is where it
should be, then your child's gonna be able to share
(07:03):
with you. You know, Dad, Yeah, I do. You know.
It does bother me a little. I wish you just
kind of sit down. You should be able to say that.
So other than that, here's the thing, Rob, we can
look at it just from a narrow perspective. If little
Lebron is cool with it, then think about the people
(07:24):
in the crowd. What they're getting to see. Who knows
how many of those people ever get to go to
an NBA game, let alone a Lakers game or a
Calves game when Lebron was there a Miami Whoever, how
many people get to see Lebron James up close and personal.
If I were in the crowd and Lebron James, or
back in the day, doctor Jay or you know, Michael
(07:46):
Jordan or somebody was putting on the Dunk Show in
the layup line, I would be excited. I would love
to see it. And furthermore, as a kid playing ball,
if Doctor Jay got in my leg upline and was
hyped and doing ducks, I wouldn't be thinking, Wow, I'm
sucking my shine. I'd be excited. Chris, he can do
(08:07):
that when they have practice. I'm sure he spent time
around the kids. Lebron James is the same person when
he got into an altercation underneath the basket, who told
his own mom to sit the hell down. Do you
remember that she was she was getting it would be
was being protected by the like the language he used
(08:28):
to your mom. But I'm ever saying that to my mind,
but still, but she was protected, But she was also
getting in an altercation, so it's different. Un No, My
point was he didn't he could have got hurt. He
didn't believe she should have been out there when that
was going on. It's just funny that now he's cool
with running out there. He had a sneaker. That's what if.
(08:52):
What if a kid got hurt? Rob, she was about
to get in an alteration. No, you're missing. My point
for him was a it was a celebratory thing. He
was doing shit. And again I'm with you, g gotta
stay off the court. I'm with you on that. But
if he's look and you brought up Cecil Fielder, let's
keep it and I agree Cecil you we saw the
(09:13):
commercials with Prince and it was great. But let's keep
it a hundred Rob. If Lebron James had his children
in every single commercial or eighty percent of him that
he did, people would be criticizing him for that. He's
always parading his family around, using his kids to get more.
But you know, everything Lebron does, there is a good
(09:37):
number of people that are gonna find fault with it.
But there's but there's also a degree that Lebron just
because he is a star and I get all that.
How big of a star is. There's a time and
place for everything, and he you don't have to as
a coach if I'm the coach. Dude, I get it.
Can you stay off the court. You don't belong out
(09:58):
on the court. Your sneaker came off, Maybe you interfere
with play, Maybe we gotta text with all that stuff.
I'm rich over the top, and I think that's if
that's my criticism is he doesn't belong out there. He
really doesn't, and Lebron knows better. I get it. Your kid,
you want to celebrate with him, you want to spend
some There's plenty of that if you want to do that.
(10:20):
Here's the same guy who doesn't want to be in
the NBA dunk contest, but he's in some AAU dunk contest.
Dunking with kids. Don't contest stated. I'm just saying stated
to sell your point. I'm just making a point that
he got time for that. Well, one thing I'll say
is this, and you I think you'll agree with me,
(10:41):
and I get I think people mean well. And even
the kid, the Or Johnson said this. He hadn't seen
his father, and I think he said four years. I
think people mean well when they say, well, a lot
of dads aren't even there, and you know, my dad
wasn't there, so so it's great to see Lebron doing that.
They said the same thing with LaVar Ball. You know,
(11:03):
I would say this again. I think they mean well,
but let I don't really want to hear that because
it lowers them. I don't think that anyone would say
that if it were a white parent out there, If
Kevin Love was out there doing that, nobody would say,
oh what, There're so many fathers that aren't there's just
(11:23):
good to see him doing that dunk though. That's the problem.
I think that lowers the bar for black fatherhood when
you're gonna no, I don't think Lebron's doing anything wrong
other than getting on the court, you know, when the celebrations,
but when you just I don't want to hear that
just because the black father's in the picture, he might
(11:44):
be acting like a complete ass and people will say, well,
he's there. At least he's there. I don't want to
hear that because I know we got a father's crisis,
and there's a lot of factors in that with the
black community, but there's also studies that show black fathers
are more involved than any other race of fathers, And
so I don't want the bar lowered to the point
(12:07):
where wild just because you if you black. Heck, just
being in your kid's life is reason for applause. No,
I don't want to hear that. I just I think
there's boundaries, and I think there's nothing wrong with being
excited for your kid. I just don't think. I think
what Lebron did he stepped over the line when he
ran out onto the court. That's that's my biggest argument.
(12:29):
And you agree with me, but that was a small part.
I mean, people are killing him for the dunk contest
or dunk line I'll see you said it contest. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple with
Chris Brussard and Rob Parker week days at seven pm
Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
(12:51):
iHeart Radio app. Let's get to some NFL talk. We
got the former NFL general manager, current NFL network analyst
does great work, Charlie Castley joining us. Charlie, Welcome to
the outs Happening. Hey, guys, how are you doing it?
We're great, We're great now you were at Giants training
camp recently and you are very high on Daniel Jones.
(13:15):
Tell us why you like him so much. I don't
think you've seen anything in camp to, you know, change
your feelings. And the thing is, I don't understand why
you're like. They've come out and said, it's not an
open competition at QB. It's Eli man. He's gonna be
the starter. So tell us about Daniel Jones and how
you think this will play out if, if he really
is that good, Eli is gonna start. I think the
(13:38):
way it plays out is this. Elie starts, he plays well,
he keeps a job, he doesn't play well. Jones comes in.
If they get out of contention at some point, whatever
point you're determined they're out of contention, I think they
move on to Jones at that point in time. Now.
That's what I see happening now. And that's just my opinion.
(13:59):
But History show was as kind of the way people
in the handle the situations m Jones or in college.
I liked his vision, I liked his anticipation. I thought
he was the best in the draft in that area.
I didn't think he necessarily had a top arm, but
I liked his mobility, and I liked his ability to anticipate.
Like I said, and that can get the ball out quick,
(14:22):
um and get it before the receiver turns. Um. You
don't have to have a big arm. Joe Montana didn't
have a big arm. Okay, be a great anticipation. Now
my comparents got a Joe Montana. But I hope not. Wow,
No we're not. It's it's anticipation. Though Greg Johnson won
a Super Bowl two a four thousand yards with us
in Washington. He had great anticipation, So you know that
(14:44):
that's that's a secret to a guy that maybe not
have a top arm. All the Giants don't have an
issue with his arm. And I watched him to say,
and I thought, you know, I didn't really see much
of an issue with the arm either in practice. So
most they were storing mostly a short game they worked
on today. Charlie, here's a part I don't understand. I
get it. Eli one two super Bowls. They had parades
(15:05):
for him. He's an icon, Giants legend. I get all that,
all that you can't take away, but why do they
continue to move forward when we've seen I think the
last four or five years. He just hasn't played well.
And you could make all excuses about the offensive line
and this and that and all the other things. Other
(15:27):
great quarterbacks have finished up in other places. Right, we
saw Joe Montana get moved out for somebody younger, we've
seen We've seen Brett Farve played somewhere else. They moved
on from Peyton Manning. What is the Eli thing? And
why can't they move past him? Wow, this is the
(15:48):
first time they've had an altar. Let's start there because
they haven't had an alter of it, so now they
have a potential alter it. But I think what they're
looking at is there's a faction that feels different than
what you expressed about. That's whether he like and play
productive or not. There's a group there that feels he
can't play productive. However, they acknowledge the fact they've got
to move on at some point getting on the quarterback.
(16:10):
So they took Jones. Remember when he came in, he
didn't start to midway through the season, So I think
you're just throwing that guy in there before you knew
what you really had. Let's go with Eli. Let's go
with it, and then eventually Jones is going to come
in and play at some point this year. It's the
Eye couple. We're joined by Charlie Castley, the former NFL
GM now the analyst for NFL Network. Speaking of throwing
(16:33):
a guy in there in Miami, Brian Flores came out
and said that Ryan Fitzpatrick is the leader, and he
made it clear it doesn't even seem that close. He's
the clear leader for the fight for starting QB with
Josh Rosen right now. How do you see that playing out?
Because I don't doubt if Fitzpatrick is out playing him
(16:56):
in training camp, but Fitzpatrick's not the few and you
gotta see what Rosen can do. I would imagine it.
So unless he's just completely atrocious, I would think you'd
go with him. How do you see things playing out
in Miami at the QB. I think you got two
concepts yet. One Chloris is trying to establish a culture.
(17:16):
One of the things he wants to establish his competition.
Everybody has to earn everything all the time, so he
can't go back on something that's obvious right now that
Fitzpatrick's ahead of Rosen. And I've gotten that too, so
we all know what Fitzpatrick's history is and last year,
I mean, the guy was start off phenomenal with the bucks.
What happens They'll have one of those big interceptions, right,
(17:38):
he turns into a pumpkin. You know that we've said
that it's going to happen again. DNA. He's gonna force
the wall sometimes and he's gonna be ran with his
rose and he's gonna have interceptions and turnovers. At that
point they make a decision that they feel rosendosen up
or you know, hey, let's just take a look at him.
Rosen will have his opportunity. His job is to be ready.
(18:01):
I can see what they're saying. Uh. And like I said,
the information I got is the saying that Lois has
said that there's a clear difference right now, but we
all know at some point Fitz is going to give
him a reason to draft eventually. Do you like Rosen?
Do you like Rosen his future? Nah? I gotta be
honest with you. Um, if I'm Miami, I'm drafting a
(18:24):
quarterback next year? Wow? How about this? Now? Now, you
had talked to some sources and people who weren't that
high on Kyler Murray. Uh, do you have you seen
any of him? So far, and uh, do you stand
behind like what those guys were, what the people you
talked to about him? And what kind of a season
are you anticipating for him in Arizona's rookie year. Well,
(18:46):
let's clarify. What was said to me is his interview
was not good. Right, No, that's what I said that
that's an interview. That doesn't mean he can't play football. Okay,
So there's a difference there. So the interview wasn't good.
I came back and said on television there were players
that are one playoff games that didn't have good interviews
in the combine. All I was stating is, here's what
happened with the interview. I think this is the biggest
(19:08):
story in the NFL on opening day and in the
month of September. Because you've got a five foot ten
quarterback who's phenomenal ability, great speed, get a head coach
coming in with a losing record in college but a
bright offensive mine gonna unveil a system that isn't normally
seen in the NFL. So traditionally, these systems have an advantage.
(19:31):
Early defences kept catch up to him. Chief Kelly. Probably
the most recent example, Steven Lamar Jackson. Last year, the
Chargers caught up when the by the end of the
season shut down the option game. So I think the
guy has a chance to be successful. Can he take hits?
Can he stay healthy? If he doesn't have success, can
he mentally handle that when Sky can go play Major
(19:53):
League baseball? That's kind of the only unknown about him. So,
but I mean that to me, that's the biggest story
in opening days. What these guys look like. Charlie. We
got to ask you about Ezekiel Elliott before we let
you go. Um. I think the signing the Morris by
the Cowboys could signal that Jerry Jones ready to play hardball.
And I don't know if they would trade him or
(20:15):
maybe ready to stay this season or go deep into
this without him. How do you see this playing out
and how does the signing the Morris kind of affect it? Well,
he's got to have somebody to line up and play with,
because you know, this guy's not there. I would have
in the draft in the second round, I would have
taken a runner or a receiver, but probably a receiver
(20:38):
because Jerry's in a tough spot. Jury has been more
than fair to his play as he's paid all his
good player as well. This guy's violating his contract and
he's dead and raw. He has no business to be
in Mexico. He should be in camp. Yeah, but wait
a minute, let me say this, Charlie though, but the
CPA works against the running backs. They burn out the
running backs early and then these guys don't get paid.
(20:59):
Why shouldn't he want to get paid? Hey, these players
voted for free agency after four years. They they got
a franchise tag. I have no sympathy they voted for
this agreement. Would you agree it's a bad agreement, Charlie,
Would you agree with that agreement? It's a ton of money. No,
they're not not running back, so I'm making a ton
(21:19):
of money. That's why the running backs are the ones
who are door holding out. They have to hold good.
The good ones make money. The good ones make money. Okay,
so you're saying, you're saying that what's good? You say
you say Bell lost money. If he would have got
hurt out of here, Charlie, if you couldould have got
hurt last year, Levon, But you wouldn't be saying that.
And the same thing with Ezekiel Elliot. You're saying he's
(21:42):
not a good running back because he's holding out. No,
I said he's a good I never said any about
his ability. That's a great player. He's a contract none
of the contract. I said. Contracts are made to be broken.
It happens all the time. Yeah, that that's that's a
worthless statement. What ownership do? It doesn't ownership cut people
with contracts. Guess what. They become free agents. But they
(22:06):
could make money. But do they cut them? They don't
make money. What do they cut them? Is what I'm
asking you. Sure they do, Okay, so that's but they
break the contiberia something. But they break the contracts, is
all I'm saying. It's been done the other way, Charlie.
We know it. They become free agents, they can go
they can go shop the services make money someplace else. So, Charlie,
(22:28):
they get a guaranteed contract, they get guaranteed money, and
that guaranteed money is what they get, and that guaranteed
money is paid. This guy's in violation of his contract.
He should be in camp. Now. The bigger question is
this kay um Dak Prescott's gonna make far more money
than his work. He's not a thirty million dollar quarterback.
(22:52):
I mean, do you think he's an upper echeline quarterback. No,
I wouldn't pay him thirty in Dallas because of the
because of the franchise tag and the agreement. So so
he's going to be overpaid because of the because of
the labor agreement. Okay, Jerry's in a tough spot because
he needs these three guys to win a championship. Yes,
(23:14):
important guy is Zeke. He's the He's the catalyst for
the whole football team. It's not Dak or Cooper. They're compliments.
So so you know you I agree, I agree with
I agree with you man. I think at some point
that's why I would have drafted a running back. But
I really would have drafted a receiver to have a
(23:36):
leverage on Cooper because I figured Zeke will make his money. Frascott,
you have no choice to pay him. Um, you'd like
to pay Cooper, but if you had to take one
short and you got to receiver, maybe you could develop
a receiver. All right, thank you so much. Great, we
had we had some good stuff going. No, it was great.
(23:59):
All We'll get you on in the future. Be sure
to catch live editions of the Odd Couple with Chris
Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app.
There's a story out there that has Rob Parker riled up,
(24:20):
and the New Orleans Saints are involved. They just won't
go away. A Louisiana State Civil District Court judge ordered
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and three referees, three officials from
the January NFC title game between the Saints and the Rams.
We all know what happened. There was an egregious pass
(24:42):
interference played that was missed, hurt the Saints and the
Rams going to win the game and reached the Super Bowl.
And now Goodell and three officials from that have been
deposed and they're gonna have to answer questions about it.
And here's the thing. Rob, the attorney who filed the
he's a legend fraud by the officials. He's only asking
(25:04):
for seventy five thousand dollars and he wants that money
to be donated to the former Saints star Steve Gleason's charity.
I think the league. I mean, I'd rather just give
him seventy five grand and have to and not have
to go through the hassle of going to Louisiana and
answering these questions. Can't do it because because once you
(25:26):
open up that can of worms, you're gonna be in trouble.
So that's why they have to go with getting in
a waste of time. I get it. It is a
waste and stop in New Orleans. Stop it. You lost.
It was a bad call. We got it. You know what,
if you keep this up, I'm gonna put a voodoo
(25:48):
curse on the Saints. I hope the Saints. If you
keep it up, keep pringing this up, I hope this
Saints never win another Super Bowl. How's that? You better
stop up it now? All right? Already it's not gonna
be reversed. The super Bowl is come and gone. We
can't approach the field. We can't go back in time.
(26:11):
Stop and let it go. But I won't go as
far as you because I'm from Louisiana and I do
want to see the Saints win another Super Bowl in
my lifetime. But you're right, this is ridiculous. I think
the Utah jash should actually sue uh that Michael Jordan
committed an offensive fame on that game winner against Brian
(26:31):
Russell as he did and they won the game. I
mean it's yea, let it go New Orleans. You're embarrassing
yourself and all the people from Louisiana. Let it go.
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